Hyundai Veloster N vs. Honda Civic Type R, Super Hot Hatch Review & Motorsports Competition

Welcome to my SCR Competition-Car Review of the latest edition to the "Super" Hot Hatch class, the 2020 Hyundai Veloster N. In this video I not only review this very quick turbocharged rocket, but also enter into a SCCA National Autocross event where I race it against the legendary Honda Civic Type R. Please subscribe for more Car videos including used-cars, competition-cars, classic-cars, SUVs, cheap-cars and more!
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[@PM_DraKKar]

this is what i was exactly looking for in a review of the veloster N against the Type Rs. I have seen your miata videos but never realized you made this and am glad i finally found it after watching majority of the typical car reviews on the veloster N. What a way to review and showcase the car with just barebone modification incredible driving!

[@mattyb2944]

Veloster N’s killing it!

[@aroundomaha]

Finally an autocross centered review! Thank you. This is my favorite Veloster N review. I also found your video helpful as I could see your steering inputs and clearly watch the course. Thank you!

[@anchorage99502]

congrats on your win and you said everything very well ! thanks for the review !

[@chefgoot]

Hey Mark, it was great meeting you last month at the tour. Excellent review! Just wanted to point out that the price you showed looked like the 2021 DCT price. The MSRP for the 19/20 Performance Package Veloster N is normally just under $30K. Hope to see you at another tour soon.

[@fastpaxSCR]

Haha you caught that ;) Yeah the only image I could find of a window sticker was a new one, plus assuming most people in the market for one of these cars will likely be buying new (used with the PP are hard to find).

[@andywolf7984]

By far the best real world review. Thanks.

[@yongzhewen7657]

Congrats on your win, Mark. I really enjoy this kind of competition review. Did you have a chance to use the auto rev-matching and launch control?

[@fastpaxSCR]

Thanks Yongzhe! Yes, we used the active rev match, pretty cool feature, however not launch control...unfortunately the launch control can only be activated in Sport mode where ESC/Trac are still on.

[@ttrs_phantom]

The video smoothing makes it look like you're late/pushing (but you're NOT). Crazy how far Hyundai has come. Impressive driving as usual and good review (plus sweet E30 Shirt).

[@nurzrachit7133]

Got dang it, I've been commuting to work for 2 years in my Veloster N PP, and haven't done Sshit. I drove the tail of the dragon about a month after I got it and hung out up in the mountains having fun for a week or so, but ever since then I may have well been driving a Prius. I'm so ashamed of myself.

[@samandrew5643]

now is better than never

[@gauthke]

Great review Mark and great driving. Very interested to see what happens when this car gets a rematch with the CTR on a more "Wide Open" course.

[@babisotonggg]

CTR will take it as it's better on higher range

[@gavinj01]

Great review. Thinking about moving from my Fiesta ST which is an autocross beast to a Vloster N. Thanks

[@charlesconnor1737]

Great video gave me major anxiety the 2 times you hit the cones ... lol 😂 great driving

[@jayczyzyk9707]

big hit in depreciation

[@JorgeMartinez-iq2tc]

Great video and even better driving 👍

[@patrickbowen5567]

I know this is an older video now. Do you happen to remember what the custom alignment settings were?

[@bradyloretz]

Nice driving and nice review!

[@iamblamb501]

Hey, was your veloster bone stock. If not, what have you done with it?

[@js92css]

Did the other V have a rear swaybar?

[@dimos15]

Nice !

[@ricky5824]

I’d take the N rather than the type R any day

[@gbaby6774]

Why?

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@gbaby6774 more fun to drive than type r. The N DCT is faster on track than type R it seems.

[@dimos15]

Did you experience any overheating on the brakes from the e-diff of the Veloster?

[@fastpaxSCR]

No I did not on those courses, the brakes felt great the whole time. I'm sure a track day would be different however...

[@mazdaspeed3jack]

Hey Mark, What size of tire 265/? Front n rear same size? Any mod to get them to fit?

[@fastpaxSCR]

The wheels are Enkei Tuning TS-10, 18x8 50mm offset. Tires are 265/35-18 RE-71R and just barely fit. The car owner tried a 47mm offset wheel and they rubbed the fender.

[@mazdaspeed3jack]

@@fastpaxSCR fit without fender roll? how much - camber up front?

[@aroundomaha]

@@fastpaxSCR I wonder if this would work for Falken RT660? They're just a smidge wider (9.8) than the RE71 (9.7) tread width according to Tirerack.

[@JTube571]

Hi Mark, quick question. Do you left foot brake during autocross runs?

[@fastpaxSCR]

No I do not left foot brake, I haven't done that since my karting days many years ago. In fact, I typically recommend that people don't get too used to left foot braking, because many modern cars don't allow it. I haven't tried it in the N, but I know my 2019 Miata will not allow throttle and brake at the same time...completely shuts down.

[@Kennygwinn]

2021 has upgraded seats and is around 32,000 do you personally think the type r is worth 5,000 more?

[@fastpaxSCR]

Type R is more powerful, a bit bigger, and has 4 full doors. Veloster is cheaper, but will lose value a lot quicker. Put it this way...the Type R is $5K more, but you will always get that money back because it won't depreciate near as quick. Another idea would be to find a used 19-20 Veloster with the Performance Package...depending on miles you might be able to get one in the low $20s which is a lot of car for the money.

[@PiroFyre]

If you're planning on keeping the car for a very long time, say 5+ years, the N would be worth your time and money. Especially if you plan on doing motorsport events with it, consumables like brakes pads, rotors, etc will be cheaper and save you a good amount of money. If you only plan on keeping it for 1-3 years, the CTR will have a much better trade-in and selling value. Although I will say a used N w/PP is gone within a few days of listing. Even 2021 models seem to only sit on the lot for only 1-2 weeks before they're gone. Supply and demand is the only reason why they're currently holding somewhat of a value better than most other Hyundais.

[@gwcrispi]

@@fastpaxSCR 1. I paid $32K for my 2021 N DCT. Please let me know where I can get a Type R for $37K. I'll buy two. 2. If you want fast, you want the DCT.

[@rwolfcastle]

'21 Veloster N DCT - $31k (dealer was running a promotional deal plus military discount. I was actually surprised the deal applied to the N) . I was hunting for an R but the best I could find was a 2016 with with lowish miles for 36k. New was way worse, couldn't find anything under 40k. Sorry not paying 40k (probably more like 47k out the door) for a civic regardless of how long I've waited for a Civic Type-R to come to the US. TBH, I like both cars and it didn't really come down to the money. I test drive both and really liked the Veloster. Not saying it's better but it's what I preferred at this moment in time. Furthermore, cars are terrible financial investments, if your worried about resale I'd argue you can't afford your car and should look closer at the used market.

[@babisotonggg]

it's damn intense.. i kinda grit my teeth as he waving through the cone

[@ramkhazen]

Hi, did you have 265 width tires or 235?

[@fastpaxSCR]

We used the 265 width.

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

3rd run day 1 you made that small mistake that was definitely a faster run using 3rd gear.

[@babisotonggg]

17:60 Day-1 holy.. that's intense..

[@xampx2k7]

Wheel and tire specs?

[@fastpaxSCR]

They are 18x8 Enkei Tuning TS-10 in black, 50mm offset. www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&initialPartNumber=4998806550B&wheelMake=Enkei%20Tuning&wheelModel=TS-10&wheelFinish=Black%20Painted&showRear=no&autoMake=Hyundai&autoModel=Veloster+N&autoYear=2020&autoModClar=Performance+Package

[@xampx2k7]

@@fastpaxSCR Awesome thanks for the reply. Tire specs?

[@fastpaxSCR]

Sorry meant to include that... 265/35-18 Bridgestone RE-71R, its a bit of a squeeze on an 8" wheel but it works well with this particular tire because the Bridgestone has a very stiff sidewall.

[@xampx2k7]

@@fastpaxSCR ah GREAT info. That is extremely helpful. In SCCA time trials (T3) we aren't so much limited by tire size, so I'm theory crafting if a stock (no fender rolling) VN can fit 9" wheels w/ 265/35/18's. This is very useful information for that. Thanks!

[@aroundomaha]

@@fastpaxSCR Mark this is the best practical guide for VN autocross setup on the Internet. I wonder if this setup will work with the RT660s which are .1 inch wider. This video may lead me to purchasing a VN, so thank you again for this awesome content. BTW - Congratulations on your 2021 CS championship!

[@quicktoreason2722]

and yet in every track anywhere the type R is somehow faster than the N and its not even close. this driver error. I own a m2c so i have no dog in this but seriously tho - driver error.

[@MLeeder53]

Id still take another type r ;)

[@fastpaxSCR]

I know you would ;)

[@MLeeder53]

@@fastpaxSCR Have you driven one in anger yet?

[@fastpaxSCR]

Yeah but it's been a while...back when we did that "BS/DS test" at Crows Landing a few years ago. It was on smaller tires and didn't have a bar as it was very early on...it was quick but my 2.0T Camaro was quicker ;)