Honda Civic Type R Vs. Hyundai Veloster N - Ultimate Hot Hatch Battle!

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Hot hatches come in so many different flavors across the globe, Honda is not new to the segment but until two years ago, America never got a #CivicTypeR on our shores and when it was brought over, it quickly snatched up crown for best in the segment. Of course, any king is bound to get a challenger and that's where Hyundai has come in with the all-new #VelosterN, this funky 3-door hatch comes with up to 275 HP, a 6-speed manual, a limited-slip differential, and an exhaust note that would make any #TypeR owner envious... all for about $5,000 less than the #Honda. So, has #Hyundai given us a true challenger to the #HondaCivicTypeR?

[@jonathanjimenez3043]

23:59 Dude in the Veloster does what we all do when we are losing a race. Move our head thinking it will somehow propel the car faster.

[@jayespi37]

🤣🤣🤣

[@J-W.-]

@@jayespi37 hell yeah! 😭

[@moeanthony9308]

It works tho at least in Sofyans head jerk too.

[@johnk194]

Hi, The bonnet scoop is not actually to cool the engine it directs air to the front tires where the vents are to create downforce.

[@deficator750]

Its helps aerodynamically

[@chameleonfps]

Who else here right after the straight pipes comparison ✋

[@nexushexus4365]

Nope

[@babisotonggg]

yes

[@tmfeldman3990]

Link it.

[@KenLuong86]

Straight pipes sucks.

[@ryannitoi2993]

chameleonfps yup

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

Honda dealers have ruined the buying experience of trying to purchase a Civic Type R with their ridiculous dealer markups. I will NEVER pay for something that does not add value. They can keep it!

[@f181234]

The Car Crazy Guy come to Canada markups are illegal here!

[@brianbbgun54]

The Car Crazy Guy I live in new jersey I haven’t seen much mark ups. However for used a type r they’re selling them for around the msrp price

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

@@f181234 Perhaps our President could sign an executive order to do the same!

[@vofking]

Same thing happens now with Veloster N

[@dankim7031]

@@vofking $30,600 OTD including $495 dealer discount and $500 military discount. Basically $1000 off MSRP.

[@blac_lense503]

Who else came from the straight pipes🤯

[@psychochicken1015]

blac_ lense me lol they literally posted at the same time

[@SonyEnthusiast]

This was on my feed first

[@yyz.2112]

Lol that’s hilarious, I was thinking the exact same thing😂

[@nexushexus4365]

Can't stand them

[@Redfeather80]

Nexus Hexus neither can I!! Their videos go back in forth between their cringey personalities. They’re over peppy like high school cheerleaders. Lastly, they rudely beg for people to subscribe to their channel. They’re like “I know you guys watch our videos and don’t subscribe”

[@theredline]

Happy Friday everyone! Whew, it's been a busy ass week for us... hopefully you guys enjoyed getting four new uploads this week! We're back in the DC area for now, but heading to the Supra media drive on Sunday! That video will post on 5/12, but we've got lots of other videos coming in the next few weeks. Until then, let us know below if you are team Veloster N or Civic Type R!

[@lash9400]

Neither

[@naveenthemachine]

I’d take the Type R.

[@AliEsko]

N life or nothing 😎

[@La-yt1wr]

I know for sure that my 2015 Kia Optima sxl will smoke the Veloster N and my Saab would smoke the Type R

[@vapeking466]

I think Hyundai is doing big things and thier warranty cannot be touched except by kia. Considering it has 36hp less than the honda I think they did well for 10k less than the Honda I say its a no brainer on which is a better value. My brother has a volositer he bought new a couple years ago he loves it but its no N

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

I went with veloster N performance pack. I like the civic and if I tried a little harder I probably could have gotten one at sticker. My problem was every Honda dealer were just a bunch of A holes I even went in with 12 grand cash in hand and still they treated me like I was stupid.I know more about these cars then there whole staff combined. I hate dealerships. I know my FICO score I know there running a business but come on and yes I got my own finance company to put a loan together. But in the end I found a veloster N performance pack in homestead FL and they treated me unbelievably well. I was shocked I paid almost 2000.00$ under MSRP and they even gave me a better apr then my bank could in the end I just couldn't pass the deal up. I feel it's so sad cause I love the type R but its dealerships that killed it for me. That said I love my N and I've had plenty of cars over the years it's nice to buy one with 10 year warranty and I don't have to touch it. I probably will though.

[@nurzrachit7133]

Almost the same experience here, except I actually like the N better. I enjoy the smaller footprint, and the lack of outrageous styling. The driving was tit for tat. There is no way I could drive these cars to their limit on the street, they're just to Damn fast. I would like to track my chalk white performance N at some point though. The local Honda dealers in my area are very condescending, and act like they could care less to have me as a customer quite frankly. I got the red carpet treatment at Hyundai, and their service department is highly decorated, and I met the manager prior to striking a final deal. Everyone was outstanding, and they found discounts for me I was unaware of, lol. Pretty unusual. I am a little shocked still that I went for it, but the car is amazing at any price. I feel quite blessed to have gotten one though, as I've never seen another on the road around where I live. Laters, and congrats to you too my brother.

[@stryderhyu]

Everything you said you went in with is why they brushed you off. Buying a vehicle isn't the same as it use to be. Cash is shit and so is your own lender. Dealerships profit more on partnered financing.

[@nurzrachit7133]

@@stryderhyu I agree to a degree, but some dealerships are run by blowhards who don't believe they or their sales associates need to work for a sale. They have this "you need me"attitude that is not terribly appealing. That's Honda in my area. Every time I go to look at new cars every few years or longer, I drop by the dealers to see first hand how things are looking. Every time they run me off with their arrogant, rude behavior. I bought one Honda new, a 1997 Accord sport, it was ok, nothing special. Since then I have purchased 8 different cars new and used, none Honda's. Course Honda makes great vehicles for the most part, but they are not worth all that bologna in my opinion. If I'm dropping 30k plus, there better be a little schmoozing going on because you need me more than I you. Granted, if I really wanted a vehicle, I'd put up with it... It's only one time basically, but if I'm on the fence already, that type treatment doesn't lend itself well to your product. Just my two cents.

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

@@stryderhyu wait there is a misunderstaning here i did not go in guns blazing with 12k just to show off. this was over many months of consideration. i went into many diffrent honda dealerships that was just one example! the first time i had nothing but my credit and i understand how dealers work. they are under no obligation to tell you what bank will give you the best rate. so when they come back with 14% interest rate i know theres a problem then all of a sudden they claim oh we can do this interest rate. its all a bunch of bull. i mean there are skilled sales guys but the most skilled is the finance guy he is the real snake i even had one guy tell me he could get me a lower rate if i bought there extra protection plan claiming the bank required it for me to qualify. I mean come on thats a complete pile of lies and deceit. im sure you know how it works especialy where i live there are huge mark ups on every thing. even a reguler si i wont mention names here but 30k for a 2 door coupe lol. when i say i went in with 12k that was an experment to see if i was treated a little more seriously. i just wanted to test drive a type R which they let me only after seeing the cash and running my credit. and i understand why they dont just let you test drive a type R especially when they first came out. i know they dont want a bunch of joy riders but there is a diffrence between making money and just good old plain customer service attitudes and just being ignored when you walk in to some of these places. when it comes down to it if you go in at the right time some dealers are dying to make a sale to meet there mark and get there bounes for that month. i am just trying to make a point that not every one is a sucker and some dealers would rather let you walk out then take a mini deal and just not sell a car to a real buyer. i had the same shit happen with the veloster at certain hyundai dealers. thats why i drove almost 400 miles to buy the one i did because i called got a person who wanted to sell a car and i put a small deposit and made a mini vacation out of it and i just happened to walk into a brand new dealer that prided themselves with good customer relation.

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

@@stryderhyu see the problem is i was not desperate to buy a car and be the first guy on the block with there new type R or whatever new car that comes out that year if i was i would have bought one in 2017 when they came out. and dealers know this. there are peole who make huge mistakes and sign and have buyers remorse or realize oh shit what did i just get in too. thats why i wish the states would have the same laws that canada has when it comes to regulating dealers.

[@NormandyFoye]

Insignificant track time difference, insane warranty, recent top reliability awards, killing the world rally scene, those pipes, much more affordable and Honda dealership Bs. I'll take that Veloster N in blue plz.

[@PCGGC]

Got a white one here! And Road & Track Performance Car of the YEAR 2020!!! Over the new Mclaren and the mid engine Corvette haha

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

The baby blue is just plain ugly.

[@PCGGC]

carlos oliveira I absolutely loved my Nitrous Blue Focus RS, but yeah I just couldn't do the Performance Blue N haha looks sick in white with red trim tho (tho hard to keep clean during pollen season)

[@keeturbo]

People who complain about the type R don't understand the history of the car especially Americans. Americans cry about not getting certain high performance cars and when they get them they complain about everything until the manufacturer ruins the car. If people have an issue with the type R then they would have disliked the Mitsubishi Evo 5 and Evo 6 getting into America,yet they cried about not getting them.

[@oldinolo2780]

Just bough a veloster N and I can’t be any happier.

[@emncali]

8 months in hows it been? any damages or crazy service cost?

[@oldinolo2780]

@@emncali no service that I’ve needed to pay. I’ve had to changed two tires because of potholes. And the Michelin’s are about 200 each. Michelin does in fact prorate the tires since they came stock on the car. So I got them for 65% off. All my oil changes have been free. I have a fuel injection service coming up soon. I recommend getting a oil catch can as your first mod since it’s GDI. Then a lower engine mount for the wheel spin on launch. Then you can move forwards with the intake. Follow my IG to see more @GreatBamDino

[@emncali]

@@oldinolo2780 appreciate the info my guy. im just between this and the miata rf. tryna get me a daily thats fun too

[@oldinolo2780]

@@emncali if you’re in the place to do the N I give you my word you won’t regret it

[@supertin32]

Oh man I’ve been looking for one here in California and it’s tough to get one right now but hopefully soon

[@wilxvil6427]

You looked happier in the veloster, that indicates a win in my books.

[@djs18]

Ahhahhahahhahahhahhahahhahahhaha He was happier because of that gay exhaust sound that sounds like popcorn and rice.

[@djs18]

@vedicbaru lol I don't miss it

[@Z3sty367]

The Fiat Abarth isnt fast but the Italian flair, intoxocating exhaust and chuckability of it makes me smile everyday i drive it and that means a lot. I would love to drive a Fiesta ST but the boring look on the inside and outside wouldn't give me the same good feeling everyday.

[@r32juan]

@@djs18 somebody mad lmao

[@djs18]

@@r32juan lol not me

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

I just finished the straight pipes comparison of the same 2 cars then I refresh my sub tab to see this and I was seriously thrown off for a minute

[@SadraH]

Same for me

[@robertemmett415]

Should have driven the Veloster in N custom everything on sport plus, but suspension on normal. Best of both worlds !

[@babisotonggg]

agree, he doesnt custom it properly to get what best for him

[@roberthardin355]

Exactly how I drive mine.

[@JEMeyers13]

And for 10k less you could make up the 30 hp easy. You don't buy a Type R for 4 doors and having to spend extra money or just a muffler shop to cut out a resonator for the Type R to get it to sound good is kinda weird (Why does Honda think Americans want to buy a soft sounding road car?)

[@TassieLorenzo]

​@@JEMeyers13 From Honda's point of view, there is no reason for the car to have an obnoxious loud exhaust since the standard exhaust flows more than enough. Dumping fuel into the exhaust on purpose (i.e., wasting fuel *on purpose*), just to make a pop and crackle effect (as the Hyundai N, Focus RS, Mini Cooper JCW, Renault Megane RS, AMG A45 and other European cars do) is against Honda's ethos. Most of those valved exhaust "loud modes" were done using loopholes in the EU vehicle noise rules (since only driveby noise needs to meet limits), which the new 2018 EU WLTP rules have cracked down on. Whereas Honda have designed their vehicle to genuinely comply with even the old EU noise limits. :)

[@grendlerdik9426]

did a child design the honda?

[@djs18]

I think the car looks badass. I know dozens of people who think the car looks great. There's also a lot of people who don't like the way the car looks. To each his own.

[@gummywurm889]

Did a crack head design the Hyundai? CLEARLY

[@nickjones3820]

jigga_ boonk are you a crackhead?

[@TassieLorenzo]

The styling is an evolution of the 2009 Mugen Civic Type R hatch: hothatch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Honda-Civic-Type-R-MK3-Mugen-FN2-4.jpg Which evolved into the 2015 Civic Type R: media.autoexpress.co.uk/image/private/s--bXoWUi0z--/v1562249020/autoexpress/9/60/civic-type-r-red-rhd-11_0_0_0_0.jpg So in context, it all makes sense.

[@SINE382]

I’ve finally had the chance to drive both cars. The type r was everything I had hoped for in a performance car and the N was everything I ever needed in a performance car. The type r is hands down the better car but here in Canada they retail for 48k and the N retails for 34k. For comparison sake the Civic Si is 34k and it’s hfp model is 38k. The veloster turbo is 27k. You just can’t beat the value of the Hyundai’s and I ended up settling for the very latter. It’s got more then enough punch for a daily and I saved a huge amount while also getting into an automatic. The Honda cars aren’t worth their price tag if you ask me.

[@SINE382]

@Abubakar Abdullahi I own the Veloster N and after the dealer mark ups on the type r I saved $18,000cdn. The civic is a nice car never once did I dispute that, it’s performance advantages are only ever seen on the track where most will never drive unless you opt for the dual clutch in which it’s much faster than the type r and cheap plastics on the interior who cares it’s soft everywhere you touch and it comes loaded with more features than the civic and again did I forget to mention it was $18,000 less!!! The seats are way more comfortable in the veloster, the driver position is more sporty than the civic, and it still will fit 4 adult passengers. Who cares resale value, buying a used performance vehicle is one of the dumbest things you could ever do. The veloster is a great car for the money and a hard to beat value. It came standard with 10 years warranty vs Honda’s 3 years lol

[@sharmilanraj]

@@SINE382 dealer markups are illegal in Canada...what are you talking about?

[@SINE382]

@@sharmilanraj then find me a new type r for under $52,000 because that’s what Honda is selling them for 🤷‍♂️ I bought my veloster N at $36,000

[@TheRedTech98]

@@SINE382 I'm happy you're enjoying the car and I don't disagree with what you say except the resale value aspect. It will cost me near zero (if not appreciated) in a year or two whereas the Veloster would have dropped 2-5k in value (at least judging by the depreciation in Australia). Very capable car and I'd take it over my type R and still be happy (again it's a fantastic car) but paradoxically, the Huyndai would cost me more in the long run.

[@diydrivenGA]

not the right match up as the CTR goes up against the Golf R's of the world and Hyundai already stated it's goal was not the R but the GTI. The Veloster N goes up against the GTI really...the SI get's smoked but that's Honda's fault and the ST's on the used market. The CTR, Golf R, and Focus RS has been compared against each other enough times for a reviewer to know this but you aren't the first to line up a CTR (one of the best FWD cars periodt) to the VN. That is a compliment enough for the VN since it punches well above it's price point.

[@vofking]

So, I hope we'll get something like Veloster RN in the future for proper comparison

[@jaylocke9574]

Veloster N is a toy in this company. Oh it crackles, let's buy it, pathetic. I'm so glad the civic doesn't sound like that, but I'm 43, so should probably be in a Jag.

[@jaylocke9574]

@@vofking If they do it'll need some serious styling improvements.

[@vofking]

@@jaylocke9574 with all respect to your age, I disagree about exhaust sound. That's true sound of any car that pretend to be a sport car in any form. On the other side, Civic Type R sounds too plain and looks too much outside. But this is my opinion, I may be wrong either. But you right about age. The older I'm - the more comfort I want.

[@vofking]

@@jaylocke9574 for sure, if they ever decide to install new 2.5T engine on Veloster, they will improve everything and maybe will do it with HTRAC. Also the only one thing to stopping me to but it now, is cheap interior plastic and fabric seats. Hyundai should provide Comfort package for couple of thousands bucks for people who want leather seats at least.

[@FjordTrotter]

Dealers truly think toyotas/hondas are some sort of chariots driven by gods. The Civic type-R goes up to $47,000, and the Toyota Supra Launch edition fetches $88,000, well above msrp. Its obvious the gods cast these cars out of heaven cos they pretended to be gods. Where have I heard that before?

[@RedPanda555]

The Type R’s exterior designer didn’t know when to put the pencil down. It’s completely overstyled, particularly the rear. Way too many lines and design cues.

[@TassieLorenzo]

The styling is an evolution of the 2009 Mugen Civic Type R hatch. hothatch.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Honda-Civic-Type-R-MK3-Mugen-FN2-4.jpg :)

[@gomezv8944]

And that’s why I love it. It doesn’t look like any other car out there. :)

[@RedPanda555]

@@gomezv8944 Looking different and looking good are two separate things.

[@Tiralful]

@@gomezv8944 Neither does the Veloster.

[@microsickful]

@@RedPanda555 looking good is also completely subjective, don't tell other people what looks good or not just because they disagree with you.

[@perrywlam]

Popeye's coupons in the glove compartment FTW!

[@ChuckTownRC51]

You can get that N for $10k less than the Type R in some places. That's a lot of money for upgrades and track days.

[@PCGGC]

Yeah I made an offer on a Type R and the cheapest they would go on a 2019 (even tho 2020 is out) was $38k. Got my VN 2020 with Performance Pack for $27k lol even with an intake, downpipe, and tune I'll be $10k cheaper and be a LOT faster

[@wers0717]

@@PCGGChow did you get it for $27k?? .... because im gonna buy one XD

[@PacoRobbins]

@@wers0717 the N I'm going to look at Saturday is 27,999. I plan on talking them down to 27k even. It's a PP one too.

[@nixodian]

Just thought resale value of ctr will be stronger, so worth the premium?

[@PacoRobbins]

@@nixodian dependent upon the person. I'm someone who doesn't get rid of cars typically. The Type R will hold its value, but I think a lot of people that get them will keep them even if it's just as a track car.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

32:13 This says it all. A Honda Civic Type R that challenges Toyota Supras, BMW M2 Competitions, and Porsche Cayman on the race track. Yet still a family hatchback that takes the Ford Focus RS and Subaru WRX STi both on and off track. No other hot hatch can even approach the 30+ mpg that the Type R can get on the highway in real world testing.

[@ryanexpert]

You should have used the N Custom mode. You can change the suspension to normal while leaving everything else on full N Mode. That way you get all the fun and noise on a much softer ride.

[@Tiralful]

But then he couldn’t complain about it.

[@IndyAvocadoKid]

@@Tiralful tap tap tap, guess what the complaint is in every N review 😂 personally, I’m glad Albert dumped the interior design money into the engine bay instead 👍🤔😊

[@WesTheGamerAndStuff]

If you get a Type R you definitely need to upgrade the exhaust and some of those fake bumper vents, I've seen people cut those vents to make them look see thru and it's way better than original

[@Julius4396]

Same comparison as The Straight Pipes today! It was interesting to hear your opinion compared to their's. Sucks that your tester wasn't the Performance Blue though!

[@doubled8247]

The straight pipes did a hell of a job on it haha.

[@slayme]

It’s “theirs” not “there’s”

[@gregblack8550]

It’s asshole not almost an asshole !

[@sdoberma]

$25~27k veloster n Vs $45k marked up price ctr Hmmmm

[@BLACK05GO1]

Yeah, the walk out the door price (on average) is significantly more for the CTR. If you're seriously into racing, I'd spend a little more and get a Camaro SS 1LE. The 1LE runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and absolutely destroys the CTR on a road course.

[@gregblack8550]

Got to pay the Honda v tec tax baby. 45 k for a Japanese front drive compact car. Do you realize that will buy over 100 more HP and rear wheel drive. No one can be that big of a fanboy can they???

[@WorkOutMan069]

Lol $45k for CTR thats wrong you can get at CTR for 34k Easily and with an basic factory map tune push to 360hp 340tq put ctr in the 12s easily ... but

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

You know what strait pipes or redline reviews didn't mention? I have in writing Hyundai will honor your warranty even if you break the car at a track day. How much is that worth?

[@dankim7031]

AND you can also purchase track specific brake pads & tires at the dealership 👍 another reason Hyundai sourced their brakes in-house rather than going Brembos; keep the manufacturing cost down, and for easier maintenance.

[@nurzrachit7133]

I wonder though, how much tuning would Hyundai allow before they cried uncle and told one to go eff theirselves? I'd be afraid to push that boundary, they have a really good warranty, and voiding it would be like throwing a stack of bills out the window.

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

@@nurzrachit7133 just get it in wrighting like i did. i mean albert berman said it himself on you tube. but i hear you your right you need a good relationship with your service advisor.

[@coopsnz1]

I30 n and Veloster N were built in a cheap labor Country chez republic $7000usd min salary yearly . Why much cheaper than the Type r built in Uk

[@nstylemotorsportsracing1471]

@@coopsnz1 the veloster N was build in korea. there ulsan plant i dont know what your taking about. then tested in germany the first production ones anyway.

[@mr.speyside5240]

I would prefer the N and I’m a HUGE Honda fan.

[@KitaKita]

All Honda dealers I visited in the last few weeks are asking 10K over MSRP minimum. No thanks. It really is a shame.

[@raizelruvalcaba1723]

and the price just went up on it recently

[@unibrowracing4035]

I agree, I was going to buy a type R until I found out the markup is so high. No thanks Honda, I will go with Hyundai, they have a better warranty anyway.

[@senseibrewster]

Keep trying. My son just got one at msrp last week!

[@cooperlong5413]

My favorite part was when the Audi A7 passed you on the interstate and you had to pass him back.

[@culgate]

the hyundai n-word

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

Velosters endless drive modes and that insane exhaust 😊 swings me towards Hyundai.....

[@PCGGC]

Loving mine so far! Had a Focus ST and a Focus RS before, this one is more fun than both! Had stage 3 on those, RS was 480bhp and this is still more fun to drive due to the dynamics, the sound, and the rev matching. Also got it with performance pack for $27k!!! Cheaper than my ST was lol gonna do downpipe and intake and a tune on her soon

[@Iscrnd]

@@PCGGC how did you get it that cheap? I've been trying to find it for that low

[@TassieLorenzo]

You don't care about stuff like not having alloy control arms, not having Brembo brakes, not having a mechanical geared limited slip differential (instead an external electronic clutch-pack unit which is probably not as reliable) etc? The Hyundai is a little bit style over substance, whereas the Honda is all about the engineering content.

[@vacstad1264]

Lol dude it’s 27k for a reason

[@jaygorman4282]

The CTR is awesome but it's hard to find one at or near MSRP. Also, the 20" wheels with 30 series tires are not suitable for city streets. It is almost inevitable that they will get damaged so also factor in $1,500 -$2,000 for new wheels/tires. If you want this thing to also sound like it should, factor in another $700-$1,000 for an exhaust.

[@wizeguiz]

Love the way the Veloster put a smile on his face.......that speaks volumes!! :)

[@asifalimirza]

Listen dude, it's not a third exhaust, it's a resonator. Just use the Google machine. Also trust me, a loud exhaust gets old over time. People who change the stock for a louder one end up regretting it and spend time and money trying to quiet it down

[@maxdog421]

Can say i dont regret it abit lmao, also the veloster has a electronically controlled exhaust meaning its only loud in sport mode so it still beats the type R in that category

[@asifalimirza]

@@maxdog421 That's good information to know. I had a 2018 Civic Si, decided to put a performance exhaust on it, and then when it was to loud I ended up installing a resonator on it to get rid of the droning on the hwy. Should have kept the stock exhaust!

[@ryanpatterson5269]

The N is the best bang for your buck of the 2, seeing the type r is about 10 gs more.

[@poolplexer]

You save 2gs buy not having a 4th door lol

[@TassieLorenzo]

The N has less content though. No alloy control arms, no split knuckle, no gear-based LSD etc.. So you pay less, but you get less stuff! Underneath the cars, it's obvious the N is built down to a price more than the Type R is.

[@Chrisp707-]

The type r honestly looks childish

[@djs18]

Not really.

[@raizelruvalcaba1723]

@@djs18 it sort of does. The rear looks great, but the front just looks awful in my opinion. I actually dislike most of Hondas vehicle lineup except for the SI(coupe) and the Accord. But to each their own.

[@SHKim-xr1jl]

Lady in CR-V is looking at glorious Type R at 25:08 lol

[@justinsmith1001]

@Joseph McAuley It is subjective. I love the looks of my Type R. I am also a man-child though.

[@djs18]

@Joseph McAuley wrong. The type-r is an absolutely beautiful, aggressive looking vehicle. It's not for everybody.

[@DJR5280]

@@justinsmith1001 You're a man baby, not child lol.

[@greymark420]

@@justinsmith1001 I totally agree with you Justin. I also own a Blue Type R, yes the car is unique in its looks that's why i like it so much. Of course there is always the German car, you know square and silver/grey very boring. What is also interesting is that on a Porsche people often say how beautiful the rear is with a huge spoiler, but on a Type R it is ugly, hypocrites ?

[@malcolmar]

Type R ALL THE WAY! The car is a modern-day legend! BTW it looks stunning in that blue! I do have to give credit where credit is due. The Veloster N is an amazing hot hatch and it sounds really good too. Well done Hyundai.

[@tommieboi707]

I hate slow drivers just cruising in the fast lane.

[@HIIMUsc]

tommieboi707 yeah, i like that in Germay you basically HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE RIGHT LANE and they still dont do it....

[@jaylocke9574]

Seriously.. The N looks like a little toy car and the R wants to eat it.. The Type-R is just an animal. 🍴

[@popsandbangs8858]

Jay Locke Veloster is wider lol

[@popsandbangs8858]

Jay Locke Veloster is wider lol

[@jaylocke9574]

@@popsandbangs8858 Certainly doesn't look it. Looks like a toy car. No doubt it. Is a fun machine, but I would prefer the i30N., also the fast back looks like an egg. I'll check into the width, but I thought the front track would be more important seeing it is handling all the work.

[@jaylocke9574]

Type-R has never lied to itself in terms of styling. It is supposed to be outraged and look a step up. I love love love the style and love that it backs up those looks and dominates. When you buy and drive one daily, you look forward to every single minute in the Type-R. It never stops teaching you things about driving. It's gorgeous and an epic achievement from Honda. If it looked bland, I might as well go for the point and shoot GTi R. Oh how exciting.. .

[@TeiwazTheGoat]

Not only that but it’s been dominating on the track too. Another laps time record was put under its belt too.

[@gregblack8550]

Wenusmobile.

[@djs18]

I fully agree with your statement. I think the car is absolutely badass beautiful. I have gotten dozens and dozens of compliments on how badass and good looking the car is. It seems like this online crowd really likes to shit all over the car, but the truth is, what the public tells you to your face. If people don't like the way your car looks, they're not going to say anything, meanwhile I get tons of compliments every day.

[@Rancid_Sanity]

I just bought the Veloster N over the type R and the money wasn't that big of a factor for me. Some of the reason why I liked it a little more were you don't see the N hardly ever on the road at least not here in Colorado, the sound was a huge thing for me, the body I liked a lot more, the money I did save went right into the engine and the car is in the shop getting 6 grand in mods, the warranty is better, all that plus the money at the end of the day is why I chose the Veloster N.

[@pan0rama546]

Nice job on this one, Sofyan 👍 Watched Straight Pipes comparison and like your take on this better. More informative and not all over the place 😂 Veloster N ftw!!

[@senorgato70]

Type R hands down. Hyundai looks econo inside and out. Type R is faster and more precise. The exhaust isn’t a deal breaker for me.

[@nsbioy]

Civic is also essentially $10K more. Of course it is better. The real question is whether it is $10K better.

[@npaul4171]

@@nsbioy The CTR was around $15,000 more than my N. The CTR is awesome...but $15,000 is a lot of money, and I enjoy driving my N immensely. My views on what I am willing to pay for a car have changed since purchasing an N, because I am getting so much driving enjoyment out of a relatively inexpensive vehicle purchase.

[@senorgato70]

To me the premium is worth it. Resale would likely be incredible. The Hyundai looks like it should be a $20k car, max, not to mention it’s space limitations.

[@npaul4171]

@@senorgato70 And that's a completely fair point of view. To me, I can't personally justify the premium, when I am getting 95% of the fun for 62% of the price on a car I intend to keep so long where resale value is less significant to me than upfront purchase price.

[@senorgato70]

Zac Paul Very happy for you that you love your purchase. I’ve had Hondas and Acuras before and there’s a refinement and quality in them that is just unbeatable. The best analogy I can make is that I currently drive a Stinger GT. My previous car was a 435i Gran Coupe and before that it was anAudi S5. Though the Stinger is a very, very awesome car to drive, I would easily go back and pay the $25k premium of the Germans to go back to them (but I’m likely going with a Grand Cherokee SRT). The Germans just have a quality, refinement, and solidity about them that is far superior to my Stinger.

[@the_swoletariat1621]

I know it isn’t the point, but if I were choosing, I’d get the Type R and put a Borla on there. It seems like the noise is the only real downside to the Type R.

[@rockefelleragent1357]

Veloster N TCR will whoop it son -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqe4pJmQaMajmbs

[@Hank039]

So to sum up this review: Type-R exhaust is not loud/aggressive sounding enough. The Veloster N exhaust note has crackles and pops.

[@XTRIPLEPXx]

HK nah didn’t know that

[@djs18]

The baby 👶 bitched about it the entire video... For me, it just destroyed his review. One aftermarket exhaust, and the baby's complaints are buried.

[@maxislas3141]

DJS you shouldn’t have to get an aftermarket exhaust when the Type R is already like $10K more lol

[@LightSumm]

Great video as usual! Now being a Veloster N owner myself I feel like it's worth pointing out the amount of customization it offers. This to me feels like one of the strongest features of the N, being able to go into N Custom and fine tune everything from the suspension to the exhaust sound. N mode alone is definitely not made to be used in a daily situation as it definitely is way too harsh on everyday roads, but in N custom you can have the softness of Normal mode while never having to give up the intoxicating pops and crackles with every shift. I've owned my N for 3 months now and I'm still looking for excuses to take it out on a drive every chance I get.

[@josephcitizen4195]

@LightSum N. Exactly. These reviewers always put it in default N mode and complain about the ride quality. I've had mine for three weeks now and have only put in in default N when showing passengers the difference between default and custom. IDK why reviewers are putting the N in the worst mode for street driving and pitting it against a car in a class above. This car was meant to go against the GTI, not the Type R or the Golf R.

[@josephcitizen4195]

@@djs18 Gay parts of cars? Huh, that's a new one. What's the second "gayest" part of the car?

[@josephcitizen4195]

@@djs18 Yea, I think I do. Could you do a "Top 10 Gayest Things" about the Veloster N?

[@ItsJustCams]

Defintely going for the N... Value always been my thing. And for roughly 5k less? That could go into parts to make more of "My" Veloster N.

[@rjayzonfeet]

I'm going to get one also soon

[@MrWang.]

@@rjayzonfeet I've really enjoyed mine for the past month that I've owned it

[@dankim7031]

No regrets. It's fun as-is. Coming from APR stage 2 GTI; wished that N came out before I spent all that money into GTI to make it more enjoyable. Ceramic tint and frontal PPF is all I've done to my N so far. Can't really think of any mods to do for the N as of yet. Maybe, MAYBE lightweight 18inch wheels/tires. Everything sounds and feels just right.

[@rjayzonfeet]

@@MrWang. I want one so bad in the launch color

[@MrWang.]

@@rjayzonfeet that's the one that I own. What they call "performance blue" with the performance pack. I wasnt feeling the blue when i first got it but has really grown on me

[@MaxSpeedMike]

You and the straight pipes think alike ;) The type r would take the cake for me. Beat handling, great power, feels like a bit of a race car when you're in it. Although the veloster N is also a lot of car for the money, really underrated.

[@theredline]

That was a complete coincidence, but we also really enjoyed their video on the two hot hatches. There really is no wrong choice here with these two ;)

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@theredline you're right! Both are great.

[@anthonyj202000]

Both great reviews. SP made a great point about ppl's age when it comes to these two cars. If you're in your 20s you'd more likely pick the R. 30s you'd more likely go for the conservative style of the N.

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@anthonyj202000 that may be true. You'd be surprised how many 60+ year Olds I've med driving manual exotics, and supercars. I've seen a 40+ year old guy with his wife in his type r. Gave him a thumbs up and he seemed really happy with the car :)

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@puga4202 haha

[@jorgech11]

You can customize the N any way you like. If the suspension is too bouncy in N mode then just change the suspension setting and keep everything else on N mode

[@shippy1001]

They are both awesome cars, I have a Veloster N so my opinion might be based, but in any case I`ve always wanted a Type R since its launch, when I had enough money to finally get one the price was too much, USD $48k new, $45k used with low mil, $42k with high mil, while Veloster N DCT fully equipped brand new in red (my color of choice) $37k, I`m sorry Honda, it`s a great car but still a Civic and you are asking prices of a different category of cars, with $50k USD I can get a much better car for performance, or to drive family around, the market is open and anyone careful with their money knows how to spend it in a smart way. Also for anyone saying that the Veloster will lose value quickly, it will not lose $10k USD in 5 years, spending +$10k on a car because it will lose only $5k after 5 years is not a saving measure or investment, Type R is 30% more expensive than the Vesloter N, they are both cars, they are both losing value over time, that`s about it, if you want a car that don`t lose value over time just get a super car that costs 6 digits, so you can use your "this is an investment, because it doesn`t lose value as much as a daily driver" excuse. Also please stop flexing Type R`s, "Yoo my Type R can beat the hell out of the Veloster N" well it costs 30% more, same with a Corvet, Mustang, Stingers, they can beat Type R`s easily buuuuttt they are way more expensive, there`s always a bigger fish, as long as you are having fun with what you can afford that`s all that matters, and Hyundai did slap Honda`s in the face with a great performance vehicle that costs 30% less, drive well and stay safe.

[@chiemekaa]

I'm still bummed out that North America still won't be getting the Elantra N!

[@blakepatterson7003]

CHIEMEKA AMUZIE or the fastback

[@_chan.burn.21_]

I feel an Elantra N would be a potentially better competitor to the Civic Type R if it had the appropriate power delivery. The Veloster N seems more like a GTI competitor with its price and performance.

[@VTec555]

Nice review as I'm in the market for the Civic Type R ! A bit strange that in de US you can't get the Civic Type R with adaptive cruise control (ACC) as here in the Netherlands it is a option as I understand. Same story for blind spot detector. Unfortunately the exhaust is indeed to quite but long live the aftermarket options ;)

[@doubled8247]

Should have actually tried the launch control on the veloster N. Check out the straight pipes review.

[@poymu4929]

Should Have* is proper English you should have learned in your school

[@finesse1570]

They are much more entertaining

[@saltie.7783]

@@poymu4929 Jesus loool

[@doubled8247]

poy Mu thanks 😘

[@sargebubbles26]

3:20 If I’m not mistaken, isn’t the Veloster N advertised to take regular gas, not premium

[@rjayzonfeet]

GDI Turbocharged engine premium fuel baby

[@dankim7031]

Hyundai recommends premium gas, but it could run with 87 octane. ALWAYS use 91 or up on cars with forced induction for better performance and longevity of the engine.

[@npaul4171]

Manual says 91 AKI or higher.

[@tommieboi707]

I can garauntee you the type r will hold its value better than the veloster n also. There is a reason why hona is still able to sell the type r over sticker price yet hyundai has to sell the n below sticker to move them.

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

Hondas and Toyotas usually have very high resale value.

[@thenoon97]

Part of that has to do with the demand for the type r existing overseas nearly two decades before being brought here, and the fact that hyundai is really just stepping in to the performance world. I think the veloster will hold its value much better than most hyundais. And who cares about resale value if you really want to own it for the long run?

[@fatherdarth2823]

Kyle Schumann you read my mind lol honestly if Honda pumped out type r’s every year 10 years ago then honestly it’s resale value wouldn’t hold up THAT well, because we know we are going to get s new one next year anyway. Hyundai though, can’t wait to get my hands on an N

[@thenoon97]

@@fatherdarth2823 Same here man, I'm driving the new corolla hatchback til I'm out of college. I have to convince myself every day not to go trade it in for the veloster n lol

[@fatherdarth2823]

Kyle Schumann don’t trade it in just yet, get every last bit of enjoyment outta that corolla hatch, I heard it’s fun to drive lol, just know when you do decide to trade it in, you won’t regret it

[@RavagHer]

If u want performance....take the Civic if u don't mind looking like a ricer. I would take the Hyundai because 1 it's more rare to see on road and 2 it looks better a more mature hot hatch

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

I'm sorry, but that exhaust on the Type R sounds a little too "economy" for me. I would rather go for the Hyundai instead.

[@mohd1908]

Quite the contrary the civic R screams “Rice”

[@MFQOTSA714]

Would not consider anyone driving a Type R a ricer.

[@jaylocke9574]

@@asdfghjqwertyu1858 Your hear authentic hard raw reving Honda engine and pure turbo whistle. As the Honda build up carbon in the exhaust, it deepens. Personally when pressed in 3rd 4th the CTR is great. True Honda performance.

[@jaylocke9574]

@@mohd1908 It designed in 🇯Japan. Would you like noodles?

[@123Rosko]

I've got an N without the performance pack and I'm smitten as hell

[@Swaucey]

Vision2020 Productions congratulations... you played yourself!!

[@123Rosko]

@@Swaucey You know I said 'smitten' right? I think the car is still fantastic without it...

[@joegrant413]

Same here bro!

[@kevinnorris6558]

SweeTGaming Dumbass........

[@SilverScarletSpider]

So, Sofyan when are you picking up a Honda Civic Type R for yourself? 😁 They have a few great honest Honda Dealerships up in Maine that might be able to hook you up at around ~$35k But hey, if you’re just out of luck and unable to find a non-marked up Type R, don’t think of the N as any less of a car, especially with the 275 hp performance pack at ~$28k. 😋

[@kaox44]

PLEASE, DON'T EVER USE THE TERM "RICER", it is a racist term for all Asian brand car. Unless you're a racist...

[@asdfghjqwertyu1858]

I'm sorry, but even as a Honda fanboy, that exhaust on the Type R is just too quiet. Honda should have made it louder. The Veloster seems to be the better value as well. I would rather have the Veloster.

[@djs18]

If honda the made that exhaust louder, everybody would be saying it sounds like a fart can. I think Honda did the right thing. The car already, in its appearance, is so loud. It doesn't need a loud exhaust.

[@Fearless-Hyena]

Just bought the last N in nyc gonna pick it up in two days, very excited its my first manual

[@hajishaker9788]

how is the car?

[@Zerohearts0]

I love redline reviews but is the audio volume is always a bit quiet ??

[@JamesRussoMillas]

Veloster N all day!

[@PiroFyre]

Man, once the sun comes out and the weather is finally getting warmer, you and the Straight Pipes are quick to compare these 2 cars right next to each other.

[@atabodur77]

I am against the comments about sound! It is just learned expectation that a sportscar makes noise. But I am impressed with the engineering of HONDA! Actually designing a powerful car so silent is engineering. I congratulate HONDA engineering.

[@loonyhap8043]

typeR is the hatch to beat! but i don't see any hatch cant beat the typeR..veloster has that very cheap interior like the focus rs..

[@charterd]

Very true

[@descriptiondescriptiondescript]

Well it is in fact cheaper than the type R so lol

[@johnnymichael1804]

Hyundais interiors are far from cheap. They're constantly winning awards for their interior quality.

[@vince7349]

Agree the focus rs has rather cheap interior for the price however its the most powerful of the bunch and has an advanced awd system that these 2 lack. No more focus Rs for north america but some dealers still have some brand new 2018 models selling for big discounts.

[@jaylocke9574]

@@vince7349 not as advanced as we are lead to believe. Watch the SavageGeese review of the focus RS. It's no genius AWD.

[@academiaengineering5136]

The civic type r destroys the competition over all its rivals in the Nurburgring and other tracks according to engineering explained

[@RedlineGaming007]

22:39 that RS7 though

[@Daniel-rw2gy]

Civic.. more power.. too bad about those tacky fake plastic vents though

[@hbm_54]

Torque is lb-ft -- POUND-FEET!!!! Not foot-pound. Please stop making the same mistake over and over. Your reviews are great but that mistake is annoying.

[@Nathanvoie]

Just test drove a Veloster N Performance. Felt pretty smooth even in N mode, but felt a little slow. I'm comparing to my speed 3 with bolt on and a tune for reference. Still though got to love that exhaust and it definitely handles better than my Mazda. I haven't driven the type R but I'm leaning toward the N. With a tune and no parts you can add 30 Hp and 100 tourqe. Fun car!

[@savyvoeung2541]

Type R all the way 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@SonyEnthusiast]

Honda FTW

[@djs18]

Fuck yeah

[@jayczyzyk7607]

Stephan hot hatch was not only subaru or vw but also modified civic hatch😢

[@MoeMoe-nu7vt]

Love 💕 the N

[@coopsnz1]

In Australia the i30 n performance was quicker around some tracks as the type r for $11000aud less . I30 n performance $39,900aud with 10% gst

[@AshwinF1Bloke]

Why must that Civic look like an abomination? What's keeping Honda from having a more cohesive, clean design in all their cars?

[@wildone106]

Because posers and ricers love those comic book styles...it gets BABES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@djs18]

Because it doesn't look like an abomination. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's tons and tons of people who think it looks badass and beautiful and then there's your side of the coin. It's like the guy who dates the fat girl who thinks she's beautiful. Looks are subjective... get over it.

[@AndrewBChoi]

Bias review. How many times you gonna say honda is faster? I think we got it the first time.speed isn't everything. Veloster was design to have beautiful cornering. Veloster is 100 percent better value and funner car than the typer. And i 100 percent disagree that typer has better steering. And you didnt mention the type r has a nasty rev limit delay compare to the veloster. I can go on and on... type r is definitely not worth another 7000 dollars over the veloster. Do not trust this review. Veloster is 100 percent the better car for the money hands down.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Have you compared the engineering under the cars!? :) For example, the traditional geared limited slip differential in the Type R (or Renault Megane RS) is more reliable (the torque biasing is done using gears, and needs no extra maintenance) than the BorgWarner electronic clutchpack limited slip differential used in the Veloster N and Golf GTI.

[@1KWU1]

The hoods function is not for cooling the engine, it’s for aerodynamics

[@Mukdener]

Actually the sounds of civic type r are nice. The exterior doesn't match the low profile sounds.

[@gryphon123456]

The old v-tech used to sing in your ear so sweetly when the cam would change over. That was as much Honda as their name. I miss that and they need to find a way to bring that back. It’s just not the same without it.

[@slimpickering1699]

I had two 8th gen Si coupes (which I loved), a 9th, and then a 2018. I drove the 2018 about 5,000 miles and traded it. Hated the engine. If it had a K20, I'd never sell it.

[@marcco954]

Want to be faster? -> Type R Want to be more fun? -> N Want to deal with tough weather? -> WRX STi

[@corone2018]

Type Rs wing is functional and everyone knows couple mods to do first in your car is Air filter cat back exhaust so Honda didn’t waste the time make it loud that’s why tuners are around and Type R is tuners haven 😂

[@r32juan]

yeah so functional that when u shut the trunk it moves like jelly

[@poolplexer]

@@r32juan Wings on Jets are made to Move like that as well. Whats ur point?

[@r32juan]

@@poolplexer my point is that wings on cars are not supposed to move, wings on jets also are not supposed to move, they move because of how strong the air they are cutting hits them, but a car doesnt got as fast, if you have a wing and it moves like jelly when u shut the trunk even if u do it very softly, my man u got scammed

[@poolplexer]

@@r32juan you obviously have no idea what you're talkin about. if you actually did some research wings on jet airplanes are designed to flex and bend. And it's not uncommon for wings to bend upwards of 45% on a jet. If wings on a jet were made to be stiff, they would snap off because they have no flex or play. You sound silly son

[@poolplexer]

@@r32juan the same goes for skyscrapers. Because wind forces are so strong the higher up you go, skyscrapers are made to sway back and forth stop sound silly and go learn something

[@denniso113]

Type R is over 50000 euros in Europe. So, consider yourselves lucky in the US. (All cars are much more expensive in Europe)

[@f181234]

Dennis O same price as Golf R actually

[@charlied8456]

With the money you save buying a Veloster over the Civic you can easily make the Veloster just as fast, it's just about your preference on looks and stuff at that point

[@Dailyshart]

Charlie D yeah, while most likely voiding your warranty. That k20 could easily be up to nearly 380 whp with just a tune. Not the same for the veloster

[@kingqueen9079]

Veloster N DCT is faster than Honda Civic type R

[@jonathanjimenez3043]

Nice, just starting to watch but I'll be pulling for my boy the Type R

[@ianbradley7215]

Here in the UK the Type R includes blind spot warning, auto braking, lane assist etc. I've no idea why it wasn't even an option on the US versions. Both are amazing cars :)

[@TonyAlvar3z]

Ian Bradley Lucky you, we get the very old lane watch camera 😪 and gotta pay more for lane assist and other features

[@sergioayon46]

41k or 42k for a Civic Type R, he'll no!!!. I'll still keep my Toyota Tacoma TRD off Road 4x4 fully equipped that cost me 41k!!!!!!

[@masonhendrix807]

The car really costs nowhere near that much it really costs like 35k out the door

[@DragonKnightX12]

It’s more 35k, but then again if you want a real power you could buy American slightly used and get behind a V8.

[@gpi715]

Entertainment system in Honda is s**t. I have brand new Civic and is absolutely disaster. Laggy climate control, voice recognition hardy recognized anything, screen mirroring doesn't work etc. I spoke with Honda about it and Honda acknowledge the problem, but they won't do the update for entertainment system.

[@Smileydudekxy]

g pi I have a 18 accord and it’s much better system than in the civic, my sister has an 18 civic

[@Sigrafix]

I like the idea of the Veloster N but that 3 door design is so damn stupid...

[@EastCoasters]

We’re still talking about a 1 second 0-60 difference, creative design and driver focused interior. Honda sweeps Hyundai in every aspect.

[@olivermagnus8095]

Civic looks like it was designed by Lego!

[@harrisonjoa]

45K plus fees and taxes? You crazy!

[@tubawaski]

Ah USA doesn't get the Elantra N(i30 N in EU). Such a great car, much better than the Veloster N tbh

[@JCTiggs1]

I've never seen the Type R in that colour before, maybe it's only available in certain regions? Looks great, very similar to Ford's Velocity Blue.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

It's available across the US. It's called Boost Blue. Definitely harder to find this color than any other. It's by far the one that gets sold first.

[@roc_co]

Veloster N is a great car but it doesn't deserve to be compared to the CTR. CTR belongs with the Golf R, STI, Focus RS, etc. and the Veloster N belongs with the Focus ST, Golf GTI, Civic SI, etc. Just seems like a waste of time to compare these 2 cars. Brings the Type R down to a level it doesn't belong at and while the Veloster N is great it's not a Type R equivalent.

[@aqwplayer222]

Rocco Costello Terms of power it's in between. It's priced oddly too. Can't fault people for comparing them I guess. I'd take the Gold R though

[@NoahAbrams01]

I disagree. You could argue its the bottom of the pack in that group of cars, but it compares with them the best. Cars like the Si are leagues behind the N.

[@roc_co]

Si's are behind the N, sure, but it's still closer to the N than an N is to the CTR imo. Completely fair if you disagree. Maybe the problem is that the N is just right in the middle of all of them.

[@dankim7031]

@@roc_co Civic Si < Veloster N < Civic Type R Focus ST < Veloster N < Focus RS GTI < Veloster N < Golf R

[@boa4533]

With that amount of money. I would like to see Honda add AWD, make the exhaust sound better. Refine the infotainment, and let us customize the modes. Otherwise, lower the price. I just think it's a little bit overpriced compared to the veloster

[@popsandbangs8858]

15:41 he’s laughing 😀finally

[@mpa1931]

Veloster N will depreciate like crazy though. Type R if kept in good condition will retain its value quite well.

[@slocavky]

Ride quality in N mode you can go to custom and change the suspension settings. I run mine in N custom with suspension in sport. It's not bad at all that way.