I Abandoned This City 2706 Days Ago. Let's Fix it! | Lake Valley Ep.1

[@HelensLibrary]

I'm sure everyone was relieved when the mayor returned from an eight year absence, but probably started sweating when he immediately started bulldozing infrastructure 😅

[@LeeAndrewVideos]

Ha, funniest comment I read in a while! :D

[@catherineconspiracy]

he bulldozed my house first and i immediately got to tweeting @ him!!!!

[@lukey5653]

Lol

[@michaelfrei9296]

I lost it at 47:25 when he says "I think the city's doing okay there's just a lot of dead bodies."

[@dchan19362]

@@mrscwchino while you can say there are some aspects it can be used, flow dynamics for example, but there are some things you can't do, simulate human behaviour/psychology in flow dynamics. the game uses algorithms such as a* for pathfinding for cars and other ideal algorithms, but humans aren't always the most rational and therefore as much as you can throw in the modifier for human irrationality you can't fully do it. For example, flow dynamics says the zipper method of lane merging is most rational and creates the greatest flow of traffic movement, but in reality you look at zipper mergers in a construction zone, I think by far the most chaotic thing in world with people waiting till the end and not getting in, two cars merging in at once not one at a time, people merging too early

[@ActualDav]

Phil after destroying 70% of the city: “Look at that, all the traffic cleared up!”

[@GambinoTheGoat]

47:25 the rest of the city is ok *theres just alot of bodies*

[@tracyracy]

But did he lie

[@caramelcopcat]

@@user-qv5sm5dw1vyou gotta do what you gotta do

[@RaphaelAlejandro]

I would love to see this become as good as verde beach. The fact that didn’t start well planned out adds realism, as there’s nothing you can do about some old decisions.

[@BrotherSkodidi]

And boy are some of those old decisions a doozy!

[@a_boat93]

Just like real cities

[@101falcon]

@@a_boat93 except real cities would've taken decades to make even 1% of these improvements because it'll cost too much and the people in power won't stand for that. An exception I can think of rn is that city in the Netherlands (I think) that's currently removing a crap ton of unnecessary parking lots and parking spaces next to roads, which cause traffic to slow down on top of being dangerous for both other cars and cyclists. They're also converting most of those spaces into outdoor community areas and pedestrian & cyclist only areas which is honestly good for everyone's mental health (bonus points for less noise pollution). Iirc it's their elected party that's in charge of this so it's nice seeing a government actually doing a good job and trying to improve their people's quality of life. In general most of northern Europe has excellent public transport with good disability support and a lot of cyclists. With the already small roads it's unnecessary to dedicate so much space for cars when they could instead have massive parking garages (bonus points for making it less of a chore to find parking if you need it). This ended up being way longer than I intended 😅

[@a_boat93]

@@101falcon politics and money always get in the way at the end of the day. Regardless, I appreciated the comment above simply because it goes to show when playing this game that it’s okay to make mistakes and you don’t have to create the perfect utopia the first time around when building in CS. So many players I see on the discord never finish their cities cuz it wasn’t perfect…when in a lot of cases they barely even started lol. So I liked the fact that Phil revisits these. It’s okay to make mistakes and redo your work….the realism of it is legit cuz that’s what real life gives us. To your point though, it’s super unfortunate that in the vast majority of cases especially here in the US it takes a long time to get anything positive done if at all. What a wonderful world we live in lol

[@cardenasr.2898]

Just like my hometown except the mayor can and wants to change things for the better

[@concrete401]

"Ok, I made everyone in the entire city sad" As a transit planner, I felt that in my soul.

[@LandkreuzerPRatte-ov1rc]

I want to bus. I need you to help me start bussing

[@OG_0494]

I love stuff like this. I also think it would be cool to do a "Fix my city" series where you pick a few submissions and give suggestions on how to make cities more functional.

[@lepferdo3552]

He already has a series like this, it's called city review (or something like that idk).

[@OG_0494]

@@lepferdo3552 I completely forgot about that. Been keeping up with with the latest content so much I forgot that series existed.

[@TotoDG]

CPP: “We don’t need to follow lane mathematics all the time.” Biffa: *(angrily sips his tea.)*

[@gamesforgames1727]

That was the funniest comment I have seen today Lol!

[@NOT_____LATE]

Yup

[@r0bz0rly]

Biffa is insufferable

[@josfitz5817]

@@r0bz0rlyyou hush your mouth, heretic☹️

[@Buffalo_billi]

@@r0bz0rlytruly

[@jeshwemmy1634]

My old cities never looked like this because of your videos! Thanks for all the content :-)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you for being here!

[@arthur_p_dent4282]

The city tour with the comparison shots at the end was 🔥.

[@justinsinke2088]

It was amusing watching you realize that your "cul-de-sac" was actually a completely isolated roadway section. That spider-web arterial bridge certainly did look kinda cool, even if it'd likely be an utter nightmare in reality.

[@BluePieNinjaTV]

It looks like it's attempting to imitate a SPUI interchange

[@andreysilva8418]

There would be a crash every 30 seconds

[@live4600]

Love the channel. I want to call out something I’ve seen a few times that I think could be addressed. When it comes to transportation, the railroads, almost always, were there first. When it come to comprehensive planning, the railroads still have a ton of power and autonomy, and tend to be very reluctant to changes that could disrupt operations, or increase their own liability when it comes to co-location with public transit. BNSF is a good example. Where I think this pertains to your builds (or rebuilds in this case) is that elevating or working the railroads so as not to interfere with road networks isn’t “the height of realism” because as I noted before, the rails were there first. Bridging as appropriate, the rails tend to take the most direct path over the smoothest grade possible. Road networks, building, etc tend to follow railroads almost as if the railroads were a geographical feature to work around. There are of course exceptions, and this is a game. However it seems that around the 16:00 mark, the rails should follow the ground rather than elevating on a large bridge, and the surrounding area conform to some of these constraints. This could be roadway underpasses where the rail maintains its grade, overpasses, excavations with retaining or rock walls, etc. Just my two cents here; and like I said, love the channel.

[@dreamerofthorns]

Not me absorbing this for worldbuilding purposes that probably won't ever make it into a book

[@nerdywolverine8640]

​@@dreamerofthornshey same hat

[@marsbron767]

Love this idea for a series, feels like something along the lines of a “scenario” despite you building it yourself. Coming into an existing situation to come up with solutions is to me a more interesting premise than planning a perfect city from the ground up. Feels more in line with the reality of life around the world, we work with what we got, not ideal but what choice do we have? :-)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

[@AtlanLD]

I think it would be interesting to take an actual city's layout and "correct" it too! There are some bad cities out there and I'd love to see an interpretation of what he'd think was better!

[@hellionshark3197]

@@AtlanLD Iv'e seen a few maps made of real cities. I am pretty sure i've seen Busan. They could be used as a starting point

[@robojimtv]

Would also like to see someone send in a bad ( not a troll though) city and see what Phil would do to fix it.

[@caitlinhagen8114]

@@robojimtv yessss. Just likewhat biffa does! Love that kind of content 😍

[@frederickkohn43]

This is content that I really enjoy. Although its fun seeing you build a city from scratch its nice to see you going over past mistakes and improving on them while keeping some the imperfections and character of the city. I hope that this can be come a semi regular mini series of 5-10 episodes "fixing" your earlier work

[@repliedfob4165]

100% agree. The changes he did to the city were obviously for the better overall function of the city but I would also argue those same changes removed some of the character of the city :( I would love to see more preservation of the old city’s character where if it’s absolutely egregious like building up the side of a mountain it goes away, but if it’s a funky roadway try to preserve the right of way as much as possible and simply apply better roadway hierarchy principles. Additionally, I think the 100m buffer between highway and the communities is a little large for the urban parts of the city. Maybe a 50m buffer in the urban parts is better

[@keira8466]

I'd love to see a series on this city where you go about fixing the mess and reviving it back to life

[@TD31313]

17:30 in, this is incredibly realistic, it is called a triple double junction (when the two lines diverge into 4 separate lines x3) a great example nearly identical to yours can be seen in the English town of Ipswich - adjacent to Sproughton Road if anyone wished to see on maps

[@JoyBuildsCities]

Oh… this is going to be fun! Happy Tuesday everyone ☕️

[@CityPlannerPlays]

[@NineEyeRon]

I liked to ensure I get the content I want

[@JD-610]

I love more experienced Phil coming back to repair and rethink some of Baby Phil's choices as a player. It's also realistic to have a more experience planner improve upon a city plan. What may have worked in the in the past can always be improved if there are new tried and true methods. I thimk this will be an awesome series going forward.

[@LeeAndrewVideos]

2 Years ago I had never heard of this game, really come along way since then, makes me wish I had saved my very first city. This will be fun Phil!

[@statuscheck5861]

From time to time I’ve had some extra time to play older game saves. During the last snow, I added a passenger and an industry rail lines. That was one significant positive difference that lessened traffic. Then, I upgraded highway interchanges and added a few roundabouts between different areas of town. The traffic and the flow of my city really improved. I’m following along for more tips on how to improve my ‘older’ city.

[@statuscheck5861]

@CityPlannerPlays, why not pause the city while upgrading? I try to do construction during the night on pause and everyone wakes up and commutes with up grades in place. Is there any difference?

[@NazadYT]

Man it’s glad to have you back. Hope the move went well, wishing you all the best. 6 days was too long! Don’t leave us again haha

[@chuidondon]

I think this series would ve a great chance to talk more about urban renewal. I live in a city with very limited flatland, so rebuilding old buildings into taller ones is one of the major ways to enhance the cities’ population. I would love to know more about how redevelopment is justified

[@JSlvr]

I gotta be honest, there are stretches of time that I forget about your content. But when you come up with new ideas, I remember the absolute amazing vibes that you have in your videos. I really do love it

[@jimwanshue2376]

This is a great time capsule to see both how the game has evolved and how you've evolved as a builder. Sorry to see the Verde Beach Arsonist followed you to this city also! 😆👨‍🚒🔥

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Oh you mean the Demoness Myrtle! 🗽🔥🌲🔥🌳🔥🏡🔥🌲🔥🏡🔥🌳🔥🌲🔥🏡🔥🌳🔥

[@BrotherSkodidi]

@@edwardmiessner6502 now you've done it. You're not supposed to say the name! It's like Beetlejuice! 😂

[@drunkenness101]

She probably was a happy citizen here and became disgruntled when the mayor just left to start a new city. So she has been following the mayor and attempting to sabotage him until he fixes her hometown. Who knows fixing this city could remove the fire curse.

[@dontnormally]

I really enjoy cities that are built on difficult terrain like this. It would be cool if you took on a fresh city in a canyon or on mountains, etc

[@TazarZero]

Since you're playing with mods, one to consider (if you haven't already) is TM:CE (Transfer Manager: Community Edition). With districts set up, you can assign Police, Fire, Medical, Trash, etc to operate only within a district and not throughout the entire city, greatly reducing send out and return time as well as traffic flow.

[@darkcypressactual7585]

I really love these "fix old cities" videos from CitySkylines creators. It reminds me of some of the massive redevelopment projects that have been tried in the Rust Belt to revitalize communities there. I'm really looking forward to this series 😁

[@Woolen_Tea]

Love this episode. I have several cities that I abandoned back in 2015, really want to go back to them now. 😁

[@verstander8713]

If I have a suggestion it would be to go in way more details. Like, take a neighborhood of 4 to 10 blocks and rethinking it completely, or don't. But have a holistic approche of every square of your city. Love it anyway, I hope enough people are engaged enough in this idea to make it possible for you

[@legomojo]

This is the first time in a while I’ve watched a non-Verde Beach episode, and I gotta say I LOVE that split screen city tour. Seeing the before and after is truly illuminating. Bring that in to Verde Beach! 💖

[@Celominho]

I think it would be really cool if you made a video walking around your cities in first person. Like overcharged egg did in Ilos. Verde beach is an amazing city, i believe I talk for a lot of us when I say that the city would look really nice from ground level.

[@aniketgharpure94]

I mainly watch your videos to know more or learn a bit about city planning. Everything else is a plus for me. I use your tips and tricks in my builds too so it is easy for me to follow your and work almost the same in my builds. All the best for future. Keep growing and keep building.

[@cochemoche]

Hey CPP! I think your before/after city tours is such a cool effect! The way you do them side by side within the same shot is very satisfying. I wonder, could you add a few still images of the city from different vantage points before and after as well?

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Will do that in the next one. Great idea!

[@stevendurick9441]

Love this sort of content, it really reinforces the idea that you shouldn't delete old saves just cause you wanna try again and do it better. It's a great way of showing how far you've come and is a great opportunity to come back later and fix it up

[@LabelsAreMeaningless]

I really enjoyed this episode. Things look so much better now and more organic. I look forward to seeing what improvements you make next. I will admit sometimes I cringed, not because the choices were incorrect but because I have a hard time just ripping things out in my own personal playthroughs (even when I should)

[@annav3722]

This was super fun to watch! Would love to have this as a series where you go through old cities and bring them up to “modern time standards”.

[@briankosmoski4782]

Two minutes in and I can't wait to see how this goes!!

[@gogofuntime_yt]

Hello I'm here to talk about trains! To answer your question at 17:25, the crossings right near each other is not totally unrealistic, although they would try to avoid it if possible. The thing that isn't realistic is the switch on the bridge. Bridges for freight trains are very expensive. They have to carry a lot of weight, and the weight varies from train to train, and even on the train itself it varies from car to car. They would definitely avoid curves on bridges as well, think about the stress that causes on the pylons as the inertia of the train tries to tip it over. Trains have to go very slow on bridges that are curved for just this reason. I definitely understand dealing with the game and how it works, but all those bridges in the city are not realistic. They do however elevate passenger rail because of necessity and because its much lighter than freight. I can't wait to continue enjoying the series!

[@kimlangweilig]

This might actually help me pick the game back up! I always build mediocre cities and quit frustrated when something looks bad/doesn't work...

[@blokmuscle]

City Planner I've always loved your videos and especially love how you returned to an older city and did all of this restructuring! It's a good validation that one can fix a cities inadequacies, as in, it's never too late!

[@1A9n8d5e]

This CPP revisited series is nice to watch. Gives hope that not all old builds are lost due to old mods or beyond saving due to bad planning. :)

[@xavi77]

I've been watching your videos for over a year now and I have learned so much. To be honest, I watch them less to learn and more to relax - the learning is just a bonus. You are like the Bob Ross of Cities Skylines. You have such a nice tone as you speak, and you have a gentle humor that pulls reactions from me that range from a slight (genuine) smile to full-on hysterical laughter (even when such a response was more than likely not your intent). Watching you fix everything here is very inspiring and motivating, it gives me hope that even I would be able to sort out my mess of a city later on (and your thoughts on those tunnels, bridges and airports sent me reeling with laughter ahaha). Anyway, thank you for doing what you do. You are so fun and so wholesome as you build, and I would be the happiest Cim to be in your city. Not me standing in my low-density eco-friendly smart home settled off an appropriately placed local road giving the sky the finger-guns like "That's my major up there. What a guy".

[@defectivebunny]

Some of my absolute favorite content is people fixing bad cities! I've looked for something more than just fixing traffic, so this was prefect

[@WilliamMCMXII]

this is a great change from the usual line up!! I love your other episodes but this'll be a good change of scene

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thanks! Yeah - I just need to mix it up every now and then. When I do, the regular content ends up being a better! It's refreshing for me anyhow.

[@WilliamMCMXII]

@@CityPlannerPlays Exactly, Keep up the great work mate! Your content is always engaging and I can't wait to see what comes next :]

[@eric103292301]

That was immensely satisfying to watch, like hacking away the dead branches in an overgrown garden to reveal a nice relaxing spot hidden underneath.

[@jordanlinton480]

loved this! it might be time consuming but I'd love to see some of the swathes of vanilla specialised farming/forestry that was on the same land continue with Industries DLC and vanilla blended

[@janedoe3085]

What a wonderful video! It is heartening to see that someone who's grown and mastered the game started out much the same as the rest of us. And seeing how our own previous choices can be improved upon is invaluable.

[@hopeedwards776]

i love this idea so much! i cant wait to see what lake valley turns into! i’m quite glad you’re using mods as well, sometimes vanilla is just not enough. great video as always, i’m looking forward to the rest of this series (and hopefully a new CWC vid soon! 🤞🏻)

[@NotTheWheel]

Fixing old builds is a really interesting concept for a series actually. It's one thing to build things from scratch and come up with a plan. Another to fix things once they are already laid out. Yet another important skill a City planner needs no doubt.

[@saschaz.8243]

Really like this. Always loved city fixes because I’ve learned a lot from them. How about reviving the city rating series? That was a great one too

[@CityPlannerPlays]

That's coming next!

[@saschaz.8243]

@@CityPlannerPlays awesome 🤩

[@battlearmanda]

This was a really fun video. Thanks for putting it together!

[@ibrayuri8386]

Hi CPP I'm happy to see you reviving your old city, but an advice all the buildings near the river should be removed or you need to put a quay on the whole cliff. the cliff is very high and dangerous to build even in 20 meters near it can't wait to see your next episode!

[@verstander8713]

I love this project !! Building a city is often in fact rebuilding the existing infrastructures. Such a nice idea, keep up the good work and thanks for the content !

[@trams_and_apples]

This is such an amazing idea for a series!!!

[@sscarlett22]

This was a huge improvement to the city! I think that either having a recessed or elevated train through the old industrial part would look really nice and allow for more connections. As OE would say, great layers of height!

[@GerritCoulter]

The plural of hypothesis is hypotheses (pronounced like hypothe-seas). I only learned this recently myself. Love the videos.

[@kashimokid]

I love going back and fixing old cities. Look forward to the DLCs.

[@themetaltwofive]

Looks really good Phil, but typically railroads will not use a track switch on a bridge. It's both expensive logistically and a maintenance nightmare due to the amount of use switches get.

[@jane_s.]

At 28:10, I actually really enjoy watching you fix things, and the GIFs obscuring the screen was a shame of some good footage

[@PeterReactss]

New to your channel, great content love it!

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you and welcome!!

[@Flipflapbar]

This was very fun, please continue this series! Its kind of nice to see you let loose and stop caring about realism (bulldozing entire neighborhoods) after watching so much VB.

[@waddlespond]

Look mom no lakes

[@Larch4560]

What I really enjoying watching on your channel is whatever catches your interest. These fix it videos are fun and I also really enjoy seeing your attention to detail with builds like Nicolet Bay and Clearwater county

[@Alloran]

It's pretty neat to see you go back and fix up some of the fubar cities. This is about the point I reach when I sort of scratch my head and surrender.

[@benzelle3152]

Some of the most fun I've had playing CSL has been going back to my old builds and fixing them up, this is awesome

[@gageemmons4124]

i live in Oregon, so i like this, if anyone is thinking about visiting, you should, we have beautiful coasts, good rockhounding, great beer, wine, and cheese! not even mentioning how many different and extremely beautiful terrains!!

[@Francois424]

Did that on my own mega city a year ago or so (had 11% traffic with no despawning, so many issues). Took me so long to fix it but now it's running like a charm. Looking forward to this series !

[@Lavaman_E89]

That city tour at the end w/ the old version on the right side was a great way to showcase what you did over the course of the video!

[@masface1934]

Did anyone notice the water pipes, There's a split second you can see the water pipes view and they are most certainly not where they belong. Great video! it's nice seeing that CPP struggled with his early cities like the rest of us.

[@sheffplaysgames]

The issue with the offramp at 24:30 looks like it's because there's a segment that's too short right before the turn-off. Deleting the node right before that offramp should alleviate the weird lane-changing issues in that spot. Not sure if you get to that fix later, but it's something I've always struggled with in my own cities. This is such a cool idea, by the way! I wish I had saved some of my really old cities so that I could give them the 2023 treatment.

[@Lolahelm]

Your laughter gives me life. It’s so cute and wholesome

[@CitiesByDiana]

Love this concept, amazing to see how far you've come but even this city looks pretty good as is, I kinda like all the bridges. 🤣 Also where TF did you get a man bun emoji like 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love it

[@twistofadoration]

I really enjoy when players revist their old maps, just from first glance great city, but I'm really liking the new vision and changes that are happening! Looking forward to the next ep!

[@jordandegraaff]

Phil’s biggest Mulligan yet: a whole miniseries of a Mulligan!!

[@thomasschipper409]

Love to see your old builds, makes me feel better seeing an expert that made some of the same mistakes I'm working on fixing in my builds. Plus it gives me ideas for solutions keep up the great work cpp!!

[@DuckOfRubber]

Yay a “new” city series! I found your channel a few months ago and have been binging through Verde Beach, Clearwater County, and Nicolet Bay, and I literally caught up this morning. Now I log in tonight and there’s a new series!

[@SnapDragon318]

I hope we get more soon. This actually became my favorite series.

[@inamik4712]

Bro love your your content Been going through your KZbin channel since last year July watching old videos the one I love the most was CLEAR WATER COUNTY I would love if u carried on that series’s bro. Keep up the good work and content that makes me happy 😊

[@widenalgene]

Great video as always! Train person here, that shape at 17:24, albeit a bit more symmetrical, is very common for low traffic, flat freight rail crossings in the US and Canada, looks fantastic!

[@brandongarcia2929]

Seeing that runway back up into a sheer cliff face had me cackling! Those poor, terrified pilots that had to land there for years 🤣

[@BrendanGeormer]

Love how the episode started with the zone he was gonna work on, and then completely didn't do that XD

[@ArisaKatsu]

I love the concept for this series! I've got plenty of old cities I'd like to fix up, myself, so I'm really excited to see how you approach this situation.

[@spartacus987]

Would love to see this be a long series. Sort of like a fixer upper series. Fix and thrive!

[@cristianocaruso8677]

Hey Phil, I love projects like this. Motto: Mulligan madness! 😀I think it's oftentimes harder to fix something (especially something of that size) than to build from scratch. Looking forward to the upcoming episodes! Great idea!

[@hilary8801]

I’m really liking this revisit of an old city. You taught me a few things in this video about places to revisit in my own city! Please keep this series going!

[@gyngertano5409]

I love these kinds of videos! Can't wait to see the city improve. It really makes me want to go and do this to my old cities and a video on it!

[@crazycraig7804]

Love it and will be waiting for the next episode

[@AlexMcCutcheon-ll7if]

Been watching many of your videos the past 2 months and finally downloading the game to test what ive learned and respecting the topography. Living in WV helps on what not to do. lol Thanks for your videos. I Plan to continue.

[@MontyQuack]

Such a fun video to revisit an old city, it's great seeing you go into city-fix-it mode!!

[@SkyliCyrus]

From PNW and been to Astoria so many times and wow the map is really in its likeness! So awesome!

[@ariane3558]

love to see this little dive into the evolution of both your gameplay, and the game itself!!

[@tylerkupcho18]

this episode was awesome! would love more

[@srewutube]

Looking forward to seeing how this develops, great concept

[@afd1001]

I can’t wait to see the spaghetti highway mess cleaned up- great content as always!

[@simongeard4824]

A meteor strike is the traditional way of dealing with ugly interchanges...

[@lawsy0203]

I'm stressing out about the amount of water pipes that will no longer be under the roads....right where they belong!

[@gavin.d.m]

Love the way you just took an old city and make radical changes. I'm always nervous doing that. 😊

[@haggischaser1028]

This was a great video and another reason for me to catch up on all the other cities. Thanks for starting a new series.

[@Couldnt_let_J.Marston_die]

At first 🙈 after those initial changes 👌 cannot wait to see what it looks like once you have finished revitalizing the city.

[@PrincePole07]

This episode was so cool! I can't wait to see more "Let's Fix it" Cities!

[@jasonmurdick9864]

What an awesome series! I love going back to old cities, though I routinely get overwhelmed. I would love to revisit other people's cities too, that would be super neat.

[@Bass1690]

I just started getting back into Cities: Skylines, and this video couldn't have come at a better time for me! I've been watching your other videos, and have been using one of my old saves as a sandbox to try and apply what I've learned to make my traffic flow better and the city feel more realistic. Want to start my own Verde Beach soon! Thanks for making these videos so fun to watch :)

[@momentogabe]

In the future, I would like that roundabout city near the airport(s) to be at least somewhat retained. I just think it's a neat little district that could either be a mini-CBD or a tourism hub, or something like that.