I ALMOST took this Saw Back. // RIDGID & Delta Dual Bevel Sliding Miter Saw Review

[@ShopNation]

12" Dust Chute: bit.ly/3kd8c2S 10" Dust Chute: bit.ly/3QCbJDO or print your own! 12" Dust Chute (digital files): bit.ly/3Qzi6rH 10" Dust Chute (digital files): bit.ly/3vYVHKX

[@lancebrown396]

$45 for a piece of plastic are you kidding me

[@pawan-ru9qf]

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[@WendtKyle]

The links to the digital files is no longer working, have they moved?

[@ИннаЗемцова-ц2х]

I was a little worried about installing the blade after reading a couple of reviews. But it was amazingly easy. Took about 1 minute. Works great kzbin.infoUgkxjpBI8OOeUXib_iT7UomCrQ-uauwZJ62c . Cuts easily and is perfect for pocket cuts I needed to make for replacing some old deck boards.

[@robertholt6444]

I love this saw. I replaced my Dewalt DWS779R with the Ridgid 12" to save space. I wouldn't call it an upgrade but it worked for me. I was also hit with the bottom miter pivot issue on my miter station. The plans I got from your site that I also love. Luckily I had the room to move the left side of the station over so that's what I did then expanded the center an extra 8". That fixed the pivot issue. Your dust upgrade keeps it much cleaner than when the Dewalt was doing the cutting. It's funny I bought that saw to save space and ended up using more space in my shop. Oh well, it worked out okay and I'm happy.

[@aoe2geek]

Hell of a review. You just convinced this hobbyist woodworker to get this saw. I actually got the 779 and returned it because it was absolutely massive. I was going to buy a regular non sliding miter but I knew in the back of my head I’d regret not being able to do wider cuts which would inevitably come up

[@tomvetterani9653]

Travis - as always, a great review. You've covered the current field of low-end mitre saws (for the masses) while giving viewers what they need to make an informed decision on what to purchase. I think you dust collection undertaking is admirable, and you've given people a much better solution that the manufacturer, and something they can live with long term. Keep 'em coming!

[@BLBlackDragon]

NIce overview. I haven't had a real need for a miter saw, so I'm holding off, and having a good review will help when the time comes. Will be interested in any comparison video you put out.

[@billboy7390]

I bought one of each of this saw (10” & 12”) both Delta for the theater set production department I ran for three years and they have worked out very well. Lots of use over the last four years. The 12” in in a large miter station with 8’ on each side and the 10” is on a mobile stand to be used on stage for last minute work not able to be done in the shop. Everything in your review was exactly what we experienced. I did put high quality blades on them. (Popular Tool brand miter saw blades)

[@gent2205]

I just picked up the 10" today from HomeDepot. They had an odd thing where if you put it in your cart for local pickup, they'll give it to you for $200. The deal of my life!

[@francoisbouvier7861]

Installed miles of large pre-finished cornice. Minimize wondering by using sharp blades.

[@joeladam742]

Thanks for letting us know about the sale. I have been looking at this saw for a while and waiting for a sale to come around

[@zeusbarragan4892]

Very cool comparison of the saw’s. Thanks for putting this together.

[@andrewbrown8148]

Great review/comparison, Travis~! I have an older 12" Dewalt compound miter saw (non-sliding) and have been looking to upgrade. I've been eyeing the Bosch for quite some time, but now seeing this video, that Rigid looks like a good option as well. I saw the shadow line feature on the Makita saw and I really like it over a laser/LED, but that one is cordless and I don't want to launch into another battery format, since I'm already into Porter Cable, Bosch, & Milwaukee. I'll definitely be doing some further comparison. Whichever way I go, I'll be sure to pick up your dust collection shroud. Thanks much~!

[@bobjhags]

Great review, Travis! Always enjoyable and a good use of my time :)

[@thesawyers682]

I removed the "Inconveniently Located Handle" from my Cruzer after I installed in my miterstation. It is in the drawer below the saw if I ever need it. This allowed me to bring my 2 1/2 dust collection hose in without interfering with the tilts. Also if you choose to retain the original dust chute, I recommend removing the reinforcement bars in the dust path. Mine consistently clogged. If I purchased this saw now, I would have purchased the Shop Nation dust collector. Since I designed my workstation around the original configuration, I have 4 inch dust collection above and below the saw that does the job. My kids call it the "Chop Saw Shrine" . Way more work than Shop Nation's collector 🙂

[@Danman1972]

Defiantly looking forward to the comparison video. I noticed you didn't include the Makita 12 inch miter. Will that be in the your review? I will be upgrading soon and looking to buy something. The 399 looks appealing for sure as the Makita is super spendy. Like twice the price! Those two were really on my list. The turn off for me is the laser with the Makita. I think a shadow line is super functional. Not that I will be making the fine furniture. Just want something I won't have to rebuy later and is a good saw.

[@67curtghs]

Have the Makita... It is worth EVERY PENNY. I can even walk you through making a shadow line setup for less than $15.

[@jamesvandergriff5204]

This made the deal! I have been going back and forth between the Dewalt slider and the rigid or Delta lol and the deflection is what made my mind up for the Dewalt but after watching this I’m going with the New Rigid/ Delta. Thank you so much for the video.

[@celticcraps]

Awesome review. Have you done a vid on different tiers of these conpact saws? The rigid and/or others vs those that are "next level"?

[@lincolndickerson1293]

Wait! Hold on… Just a second… I think you said to get a highly accurate crosscut us a tablesaw and sled. Not that I disagree but as a hobbiest hoping to make great stuff someday it seems to me instead of upgrading my non-sliding mitre saw I would be better off getting a second table saw, making crosscut sled, and getting a great crosscut blade instead. Which in all reality sounds both insane and pratical. Use my current miter saw for carpentry, current table saw for rips, new table saw for crosscuts. I like doing dados on a table saw as well. But the crosscut table saw could be selected making sure it could take a dado stack… or use my current saw as I am now. Thanks for the great review. Also I have been following the better dust collector journey. There will be a purchase from me when the weather turns cold. I do the pop up shop because my woodworking shares the garage with my MX-5. In the warm months woodworking is mostly an outdoor experience.

[@joehardhat]

You're doing great. Another enjoyable video.

[@erichirschfield5779]

Since you wont be needing all of those saws after your comparison is done, how about packing the ridgid or Delta into a box when i purchase your dust collection chute?! lol Great info as always.

[@ShopNation]

ha! Will need a slightly bigger box

[@koreywilliams4570]

The DeWalt dust collector is pretty bad too. When you hook a vacuum to it the little flaps get sucked shut. 😑

[@stevesmith7164]

I have a 7 1/4 inch kolbalt sliding miter saw big enough for my small shop. The dust collection sucks on this one too.

[@mikelosinger7469]

12 In. Dual-Bevel Glide Miter Saw is the first, and the best in category.

[@stuartkorte1642]

I like the 10” Thanks. Dust collection dust collection 😜

[@benjamindonat3723]

Always love your videos, you are one of the few my wife enjoys as well. Thank you for the video! I have the metabo miter saw.

[@FullRythym]

Is the Home Depot link for the miter saw an affiliate link? I bought your Delta table saw and now I'm about to buy your Rigid miter saw so you deserve some kickback man!

[@ShopNation]

Yes they are affiliate links, I appreciate it but definitely just want you to get the best deal

[@CaptainKseadog1]

Great video Travis. You are answering a long time question that i have had.....great saw but the dust collection sucks. I guess there is a real engineer with tape on his face eating an onion (good one). Anyway, been a follower since the very beginning. Glad you decided to do this full time. Wood Wizard Studio Langlois

[@tombeutler7397]

Travis. Episode gave the best overview of any piece of equipment I have seen Went to Home Depot and bought the Rigid 12 inch. Very pleased with it so far. I also purchased your dust collection chute. I have one question though. Is the rubber piece supposed to go from the top of the 3D painted piece on both sides. Mine seams to be short be about 1 inch short. Am I missing something?

[@TheHobbyShop1]

Great video Travis!

[@andrewa8569]

I think a big area of concern is 5-10 years from now when that plastic starts to degrade and one of them Links snap off while your using it and suddenly your in a jaws movie, just the ending

[@Momoka7]

12:08 Yeah. Why would I buy a ~Sliding~ Miter Saw if all I do is use it in the ~locked~ position. Might as well buy one of the cheaper models without the ~sliding~. Which is what I am thinking about right now, get a Miter Saw at all, just a standard 12" one or a sliding one. As you said, wider pieces are best cut with something else like a Table Saw, a Track Saw or even a simple Circular Handsaw with a straightedge. The main reason for a Miter Saw is the accuracy of the Miters it can cut.

[@josephkrug8579]

I realize it was outside the comparison for this video, but since I have the 12" bosch you showed in the deflection testing, do you have a video comparing that to these newer saws?

[@ShopNation]

It's coming

[@ewetuber186000]

Excellent review. What is the height of the 10 inch saw when locked down?

[@Snausages32]

Compare this deflection with the Harbor Freight Hercules. You'll be impressed.

[@mplussant]

…not in the market, but glad I watched…

[@DrewToner]

Any 12" Milwaukee's kicking around for your comparisons?

[@rsween922]

Are you developing improved dust collection for DeWalt 779?

[@RidgidRon]

Garage Conquistador.. Funny!!!

[@GurnIII]

Great review and video as always

[@markdenomme5151]

Bought this after watching your great review. Ordering th dust chute now. Like and subscribed- check. Appreciate your work… m

[@luimelo6280]

Good video, and you pretty funny too.

[@jimscruggs5400]

Really good info, thank You

[@jonathanlambeth3464]

RAS troll here… Great video!

[@brandonhoffman4712]

My main take away. Delta is Taiwaneese now... Such a bummer. I looked it up. Happened back in 2011.

[@chriswatts4145]

When you done testing and posting your reviews, I will buy one you don’t want from you. Just let me know.

[@RomanianAlphaDaddy]

Can you compare this to the Metabo HPT? I used to have the Hitachi Version, and even the alien looking model before it. I pawned both for the same reason...pills. Now I'm fairly rich by my standards, work in healthcare, and don't blow money on controlled substances. I want a new miter saw. I default to the Metabo HPT because Hitachi miter saws have been very good to me. I've wanted this one since the Delta Cruzer came out though. I'll probably just end up finding an excuse to get both but still.

[@floridabeardedwoodworker]

i'll keep mY bosch!!

[@kevinsadventures3884]

Don't leave out milwaukee miter saws!

[@bryjb10]

can you attach a laser to this saw? the light isnt bright enough to work outside with

[@johnwilmot6105]

Big "T" great job on the Riged . But you are too hard on your self 😉 lol.

[@eagledan31]

Never trust a man with a shop that clean.

[@Golgafrinchamdent]

Price has gone WAY up on these saws. The 10" Delta is $575 now. Even the Ridgid 10" is $430.

[@karenmitchell6814]

I think showing the blade deflection across a bunch of saws in this category was a great contribution to this discussion.

[@michaelhooper9729]

How did he get all the saws to show us this??

[@Traqr]

@@michaelhooper9729 13:28 He bought them.

[@jjohnson8977]

Most of these miters deflect. If you don't want deflection. Get one of those 2000 lb radial arm pro shop saws

[@Traqr]

@@jjohnson8977 Or a Mafell ERIKA, except it doesn't rotate in place so it's not really a one-to-one tool. It does completely isolate the carriage from the user's clumsy handling though so there's no way to deflect the blade in "chop-saw" operation. It's also a ~$4,000 tool.

[@Alex-uh1mj]

Kapex has pretty much none.

[@RT-tn4ry]

Retired cabinet maker here. This review is top tier. I LOVE that your display area is spotless and totally dust free for the video creation. You are very articulate and your explanations are dead nuts on. I was in business for forty years doing high end work in Boston. So so professional you are ( do in Yoda voice ). I wish all of KZbin videos were of this quality. And the way they have designed the movement arms these days is amazing.

[@731Woodworks]

Great stuff! Very good video. I had a similar experience with the Delta I had.

[@woodworksbygrampies1284]

Hola Matt! I've seen your review videos as well. Take care sir! 👊

[@blackhawk7r221]

Deflection fix: Let the blade spin up to full rpm before you move it, then make slow deliberate cuts. Gyroscopic force keeps it true unless you horse it. Learn your body’s movements.

[@phubarnow5388]

And use a thin blade further reduces that effect

[@pawpawstew]

@@phubarnow5388 How's that? A heavier/thicker blade provides more mass, thus should resist deflection more.

[@truthserum9157]

@@pawpawstew - yep, the most accurate cutting blades are the thickest and most expensive but worth it.

[@erikjohnson2594]

Yay, Physics! Angular momentum is like magic.

[@kristicoleman5103]

Would love for you to make a dust collection chute for the dewalt saw. I work in my garage as well and it would be a game changer for me. Great video as always.

[@scottstarek4996]

Yes, please!!! Save us dewalt users from the dust nightmare!!!! I'd buy one yesterday if it was available!

[@balzacq]

Me too!

[@ricolasvilla]

Woooo! Can't wait for it!!

[@drobinson-tu4zh]

Do it. Do it. I’ll buy one the second it becomes available.!

[@ethanshannon1840]

The DeWalt and Hercules have the same dust chute. I’d buy one for each of mine. DeWalt in the shop and the Hercules to lug around to job sites.

[@shanechepren8119]

I would have loved to see you actually take a bite of that onion. 😂

[@ShopNation]

Fun fact I really tried but it was way too hard!

[@shanechepren8119]

@@ShopNation hahahaha

[@woodworksbygrampies1284]

@@ShopNation that's what it looked like to me, glad you confirmed it 😆

[@FassEddie]

Great cutaway to the dust collection team’s failure! That skit took extra work and editing time. Bravo!

[@bretthollenbeck812]

Great review! As an owner of the 12” Delta Cruzer model, I have to agree with each point you made, both the good and bad ones. I am also the owner of the dust chute you designed and am incredibly happy with it! It does make a huge difference in dust control. I no longer get a blast of saw dust in my face when I use it. I was so bad that I got to the point where I was always looking for a suitable alternative to the miter saw when a cut was needed, just to avoid the dust. Now I go straight to the miter saw with no hesitation. Thank you so much for that!

[@brandonhoffman4712]

I do not see that as a professional tool. Maybe for a framer. But it's made to fit on a workbench easy which isn't where framers work... From a professional standpoint I would go with the Bosch for the money or the Kapex (gulp) for the quality of cut. From a homeowners standpoint. This would lead me to still want to hire a professional for anything critical. Which might be exactly what you're looking for! I use the Bosch. I saw it as a game changer when it came out. Our company picked one up 10 years ago it seems when we landed a big hardwood job. It's been a workhorse! It even survived a car accident with minimal damage.

[@TomMustache]

Your suggestion to keep it locked should be something more people notice. A huge percentage of us would be able to make almost all the cuts we need on a regular old non-sliding mitre saw. Cheaper, more accurate, lighter, and easier to keep tuned, non-sliders should be in more shops.

[@independent900]

I agree with your observation but not 100% your conclusion. In "chop saw mode" and dialed in, my Bosh Slide makes great cuts. But I don't always need perfect cuts...sometimes I just need the convenience of getting close, especially when cutting long boards. Of course there are times when I need to break down boards that are 7-8 inches wide x 1 1/2" thick, and a non-slider won't do the job. I've long debated whether a non-sliding saw would be sufficient for me, and always conclude that the slider provides flexibility that is great to have when I need it.

[@mos8541]

Well.. they certainly aren't the Bosch Surgeon...(KZbin tool snob voice impersonated)

[@1975oldschool]

Great video! After having a sliding miter saw for years and finding out all will have deflection, I use it less and less and use my table saw for the perfect 90 degree cuts I need. If I had to do it over again, I think I'd just buy a chop saw (save the room and space) to do my rough cutting (and flip over if I need to) and use the TS to get my final pieces. Really the only thing the sliders have going for is convince at that point.

[@melissabreedlove8211]

✌🏽Festool for life ✌🏽 😂I literally laughed out loud!

[@mattgillen8021]

Had me rolling too

[@melissabreedlove8211]

@@mattgillen8021 I always enjoy his videos but that seriously made the whole video worth every second

[@damonmoran9462]

I’m heading over to HD this afternoon to pick up the 10” version that I ordered online a few days ago. I just couldn’t pass up the $299 sale price. At first I was a bit nervous watching this review, but now I feel encouraged that I made a good choice given my needs. Thanks!

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

I sold my delta cruzer 12" and bough the bosch glide 12", and I experience very similar drawbacks on both models. Then I come to the reliazation that I should not use miter saw for finish cuts for funiture pieces. Track saw or table saw is more suitable for cross cut wide pieces depending on the situation. Miter saw for rough dimensioning is such a great tool.

[@stevehoffman3341]

in my shop I use my non slider dewalt for miters on molding, baseboard, and other trim. so if I get one of these I need a good degree of accuracy when the motor is locked in place. it would be nice to have the extra capacity on occasion, but the deflection is making me hesitate on adding one of these to my shop.

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

@@stevehoffman3341 I might do the same next.

[@davidjanis1997]

Mikita? Has the same front facing tubes.

[@davidjanis1997]

Same front facing tubes like the Kapex

[@arayawoodworks]

Good video. I have the DEWALT and it is so BIG! I really want a more compact saw

[@graphguy]

I've own ever major brand. Where Ridgid really excels... An American company that has the best support and warranty bar none.

[@johnlytle6633]

I looked for the STL files in the store and all I found was the $45 prefabbed version and this note: "There is a separate listing for the digital files if you would like to print/make your own!". Still didn't find the STL file. It would have been nice to but a link on the page. I'll probably just fire up Fusion 360 and design my own.

[@jimslasercreations2221]

Bro so glad you did this video, I happen to have the 12 inch Ridged waiting for me to buy when I get paid, I tossed around between the 12 and the 10 advantage of the 10 is interchangeable blades with my table saw. Maybe $100 cheaper might sway me some more lol not a tight wad but my last saw was a metabo 12 with zero back clearance like these, that was $500 someone got ( hope they hurt themselves with their ill-gotten gains lol. Take care and talk to you soon.

[@kevinsullivan8962]

Thanks for spending $3,000 so I didn't have to! What do you plan on doing with the other saws? Giveaway???? Now knowing that the same company makes both saws, I would probably land on the Rigid 12 inch just because of the price. Makes sense. Thanks!

[@essextwo]

Informative vid. My only 2 cents would be this: BITE THE ONION. that shadow line seems like it should be an industry standard 🤔🤷

[@Broke_AsA_Joke]

SOOO if you have a DWS780 in shop now, will you be releasing a dust chute upgrade for that soon???🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@UnicornMeat512]

I bought my rigid 12" right before they released the compact arm design. Now my miter station sits 18" off the wall. 😢. How to convince the wife that I need a new miter saw......again🤔

[@3rd_stall]

Make sure you get a zero clearance throat plate in there. Will reduce your tear out. 👍 for the very accurate power tool Inc portion.

[@dylan-nguyen]

I’m no expert but I think the saw should somewhat self center around the axis of rotation Bc the blade is spinning so fast it should want to center due to its inertia Think of your car steering wheel, it self centers after a turn if you let the steering wheel go

[@timprince731]

Excellent review. When you are done with this series, I would be interested in purchasing one of the Delta saw's you my be offloading.

[@tonyp9609]

Great review, well worth the price. If you want no deflection buy and older Hitachi C10FSH.

[@jjohnson8977]

That clamp that is included with saw is for a reason. Some day your going to get kick back and learn the hard way the reason for that clamp. Remember safety 3rd

[@brightboydesigns8325]

You should consider reviewing the Ridgid R4231 which is a sleeper model that came out at the same time as the R4251/R4241 and is also made by Delta. It's a 12" miter and features a short slider (thus eliminating most of the blade deflection issues). All indications is that it's built on the same chassis as the R4251 and your dust chute is probably a direct fit. Not a bad deal for $349 (I paid $329 and I've seen it as low as $299).

[@usmc7599]

Remove the sliding fence, lay a 2x12 on the table and then put your wood you want to cut on top of the 2x12 and slide it all the way in. That will give you full cut capacity.

[@necrojoe]

Yeah, it's a little confusing until you do it once and it clicks. Then it makes sense.

[@beholdcaesar]

any videos on this? i’m having a hard time imagining how to do it

[@gregglouis2969]

Upgrade to the Makita side rail. It’s the best dust collection I have owned, it’s smooth (very smooth), sits flush up against the wall. You won’t be disappointed. At all.

[@noconz0727]

I love my Metabo 7-1/4" sliding miter saw. It has an unbelievable 13" cut capacity with forward arms so it takes up less room. Crazy expensive, yes... But a standout in it's class. Over the years I've realized it's the only miter saw I need for my workflow since I'm never crosscutting timbers over 2" thick on a miter saw.

[@noconz0727]

Milwaukee and DeWalt for reference only have an 8" cut capacity. I can easily cut through 2x12's or 8" siding at more than 45 degrees. Anyone who has done siding with a miter saw can appreciate the convenience of being able to make these cuts accurately.

[@davidpeters8813]

Great video! I think you gave the dust collection guys too much credit though! 🤣🤣

[@Lsxtransam83]

I wish they were still this price 😂

[@docghines]

His Dust Chute is great. I did have to make one modification to it, though. He has you use shelf liner at the front edge, and it worked fine for me while I was using my shop vacuum. Then, I upgraded to a 1.5hp dust collector, and the shelf liner would get sucked up into the chute. So, I had to duct tape a piece of copper wire to the front edge to hold it in position/shape.

[@ShopNation]

A thicker materials works well too, almost like a thin rubber seems to be stiff enough to resist collapsing

[@666gilligan]

Omg can you make the dust collection extension for a Bosch gcm12sd…take my money

[@anthonymorris7632]

When you get the dust collection piece made for the Bosch let us know....definitely want one for mine. Great job!!!

[@joedunn1390]

You’re absolutely right man. But I also see you got aDiablo saw blade on there as well lol and shit DeWalt just had a recall on their miter saws lol

[@dancascino701]

Nicely presented evaluation. Interestingly enough, at present , the 10" rigid is more expensive than the 12" . You showed a Bosch glider among your array of saws. Is the dust collection better out of the box with the Bosch? I have seen reviews that thought the Bosch dust collection was fairly descent. So the question is, if the Bosch dust collection is superior, does your dust collection improvement chute, bring the dust reduction close to what the Bosch captures? (Bosch does not have any led shadow or laser line guides). And lastly (sorry for the length) Which 3D printer are you working with? You have a number of well made products..

[@davidward1259]

As I watch this video, I'm thinking there is absolutely nothing either of these saws (or any other similar saw) can do that my 1970's Radial Arm Saw could not do as well if not better. Portability is the only plus I can think of, but being able to rip up to 29" deep into a 4x8' sheet of plywood offsets that IMO (a plus for the radial arm). Oh, and my crosscut is 16" with no weird mods. I never understood why the radial arm saw lost favor and is not mostly extinct except for in limited commercial applications. Yeah, I guess I'm sort of a dinosaur.

[@ShopNation]

Agreed! If they still made them I would probably get one

[@jjohnson8977]

Every guy knows that 6 inches, is actually 7.5 inches😄

[@warwolf3000]

How does the Rigid 12" compare to the Bosch 12"? I have been wanting a Glide for a couple years now, but the $650 price tag is difficult to swallow. This would get it much more in reach, assuming it's a sturdy tool.

[@ShopNation]

Bosch is definitely nicer, just depends on what you're going to be using it for

[@Loanwolf307]

Great video I am thinking about getting the 10 inch good size for the shop and easy to get in and out of the truck. If I choose to use it on site the odd time.

[@bobo5084]

I'm still hoping you do the review and dust collector for the Bosch version

[@SaltyMedia801]

The clamp works fine if you use it the right way, You slide it down to meet the piece and then tighten it down.

[@markkuneman7820]

Please. Please. Please. I need better dust collection for my sliding dewalt. Please.

[@Denisifix]

How is the fence. I bought a 10” regular two bar miter saw from Rigid 3yr. ago and the fence was totally out of plumb. Couldn’t cut crown moulding.

[@ShopNation]

Good on mine