I answer EVERY SINGLE question you have about Destiny 2 (in January).

I'd like to do this once a month until Final Shape, assuming I get enough unique questions every time. I had an almost 2 hour Q&A session on my livestream recently and this is that session edited down.
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[@neonshit1902]

when is jez going to be oiled up

[@fettuccine148]

2025

[@gerardoayuso9002]

When does jez retire. He’s 🚮

[@blue-halo-elite]

finally asking the real questions

[@doglookingatcamera7954]

Leaks suggest post final shape

[@gunsandgamingus]

When is Jez gonna be funny

[@McDoodPedro]

I would love to see armor origin traits. And they would probably be very small benefits, which are enhanced by having a set of 4 with a little bump. Like an armor set that gives a 1% damage buff from each piece, and if you have 4, you get an extra 1 or 2%. They could also play with mod cost, like if it was cheaper to use reserves mod from armor discovered in free roam. Its a shame since the seasonal artifact effects would make great set bonuses for armor, mostly those in tier 1 to 3.

[@Klodhvig]

I would prefer it to be more included in your subclass. Like having 4 pieces of an armor set grants a specific subclass fragment. Or a set that would enhance subclass pickups like firesprites or void breaches in some way.

[@ASF77]

​@@Klodhvigstasis shards grant grenade energy... PLEASE

[@foliagedcloud8096]

I know you used damage increase as just an example but I hate the trend of looters where a thing gives you 1% or 3% boost to whatever like in Marvels Avengers or The Division or even Diablo sometimes. It just turns the game into a numbers simulator where people are running for just a 2% increase. However if the set bonus does a unique effect or something cool if you do a thing then I could see it being popular. Just me tho

[@McDoodPedro]

​@Aldebaranisk For sure! I would hope that they try to make it relatively unique or at least more enticing than just running the fragment. Like if one of the bonuses was void grenades weaken without the penalty.

[@McDoodPedro]

​@@foliagedcloud8096 Totally agree. In my mind, I was kinda thinking about like a less extreme version of terraria set bonus, where the individual items provide those flat, minimal, passive benefits and the set bonus provides more interesting ideas. Like an armor set that decreases how much knockback you get from stomp attacks and phalanx shields would be cool and something at least worth playing with, while not being just big number go up.

[@kylewachowski3685]

Interesting talk about the set bonuses. The Division did set bonuses and I thought it was very easy to understand and really enhanced the end game. I know the Destiny community laughs at The Division community, but I do think set bonuses could be excellent.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

We do?

[@vantheunemployed503]

I'd like them to do set bonuses of some kind. But to try and keep the players balanced it would all be legendary gear. So the idea is sacrifice an exotic armor piece for a possibility better set bonus instead. The bonuses could even be broad enough to effect multiple subclasses or pump the effect up some but it's only for one subclass. That would be cool

[@xNeoNxCyaN]

@@vantheunemployed503I think the easiest way to balance it would be to have each set have a max of 3 pieces, so exotic helmet plus arms, legs, chest, you could have pulse damage +10%, grenade cooldown +20% ( bungie should also increase the cooldown of abilities to compensate for this and encourage people to use the set bonuses) and then the 3rd could be some sort of a subclass specific bonus, or like some sort of free armour mod (something like a surge mod, or a scavenger mod that stacks beyond the max that armour mods can go)

[@RefMr]

The only time I’ve ever been excited about any kind of armor in this game were the old Gambit Prime armor sets which had set bonuses in exactly this way. Not all of them were created equal, of course! It was their first and only experiment with such a thing but they removed any trace of them and their bonuses completely from the game at this point. I always thought they could’ve gone back in and iterated on those or the same idea for other activities but alas they never tried…

[@BigfoxN-A-chiccenhouse]

They’d have to change how buffs & debuffs interact. That’s what I love about TCTD. Making builds is so much more fun. If I needed a calculator to build craft in D2 I’d be on constantly.

[@vexmythoclast9476]

Datto is Taranis your favorite character in Destiny? Since he is the only one to canonically to do Riven legit?

[@Subsistence69]

💀😂

[@Kostyahellstorm_IronLord]

Well datto hates cheesing so maybe since taranis did riven legit i think he holds him favorably

[@keithgoose5124]

LMAO

[@Spitfyre1011]

Phenomenal joke

[@HunterGlod]

Poor Datto has been answering the same questions for 10 years 😂😅

[@jamescruz8678]

Man I WISH Bungie will one day come to their senses and simplify and lower the financial barrier to this game. The ONLY time I have ever recommended people this game was when Epic made the Legacy pack free. For a single week, 1/3rd of the financial barrier and confusion, gone in an instant.

[@tristenswenson1828]

When you mentioned armor, it immediately took me to Monster Hunter. Each set has its own resistance spread, and specific skills tied to it, with a set bonus in MH World. I think where you get the armor should matter for the activity you plan on playing. If you want casual play, maybe low stakes activities, then get the lower difficulty sets, higher difficulty activities yield higher tier rewards. I think mods should work like the decoration system; a strictly limited amount of slots for a multitude of less specific abilities, i.e., reload, scav, targeting, ammo, and the like.

[@traviswilliams2348]

The idea of stat spreads being customizable, via some sort of crafting system, where you grind the activity in question for mats to bring to vendor to upgrade/reforge your armor would be neat. Sorta like glass from d1 but more farmable.

[@Mike.Y858]

At this point I'm not upset about the weapons getting sunset, but more so the content. All the old weapons have been power crept, are outdated, or have been brought back under another name or flat out revamped. I personally just want to go back and play old content. I wouldn't mind playing Red War again. I definitely want to replay Forsaken.

[@Pandadoxical]

For the "making weapons and armor matter" thing, I think an easy way to do it is lock perks behind obtaining random drops. Basically you have to get a drop with specific perks to be able to craft weapons with those perks. Same idea with armor. Now, super casual players probably wouldn't like that, but I think it'd still be pretty fair overall.

[@undyne1261]

Watch us become a timeline hopper like the Exo Stranger and try to save other timelines from the Witness’s corruption

[@puddes5832]

Nothing would disappoint me more than the witness fight being "a typical" boss fight. Imagine killing the Ultimate final big boss of the entire franchise by stacking in a well and spamming rockets

[@puddes5832]

when is jez going to be oiled up

[@gentlemanscarecrow5987]

I think legendary armor should have legendary perks, like exotic perks, but much weaker. That way, individual armor pieces can be exciting to chase just like a weapon. It would also make armor be a more interesting part of buildcrafting, but this might add more powercreep. I also think it would be cool if all stat distributions on armor came in increments of five, that way, you have way fewer wasted stat points, and it's much easier to optimize your armor with five or ten point stat mods and without an external site like D2 armor picker. Maybe they could retroactively round all stat points up or down to an increment of five, or maybe just have all new armor pieces drop this way. Maybe that would be a nightmare to code, but I've always hated constantly shifting stat points around because I felt like using a different exotic armor piece.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

I think the solution to unintetesting loot is to add farmable mods (kind of like the old system). Keep the current mods for new players to dabble in and get used to things. Add NEW farmable mods for weapons and armor that can increase our power or introduce unique playstyles (like warmine cells). They can add in pseudo set bonuses with this too (related to raids/dungeons to add more loot incentive).

[@richardbertrand9939]

They should bake mods into armour sets. I wonder how Momster Hunters take on armour would work in D2

[@life-destiny1196]

technically this is how stats work under the hood--four randomly selected hidden plugs that grant +X/X/X to some combination of mob/res/rec or disc/int/str

[@McDoodPedro]

Ooh! You know what would help with crafted weapons? If unique curated rolls returned with enhanced perks and masterwork

[@kaidamamoru]

problem with score mattering in pve is it just lead to the guardian games "emote finisher" all yellow bars and champs, its not about how good you are at the game or how efficient you clear the content, its how cheesily you can manipulate the score multipliers

[@dazedAndConfuzedd]

Anything you do will be ace. I started watching you for destiny… not long after I started watching it for you. You could play backgammon or make ads and I would enjoy your videos. Surely I can’t be the only one so as long as your making content you will do exceptionally well ❤

[@Sohelanthropus]

A D3 isn't difficult at all to excuse its number 3 Just make it take place in a different solar system or galaxy, with 3 new player races and new enemy races completely, maybe keep the Hive and the Vex as those are pretty much galactic pests Make the main 3 powers be the Darkness ones, as Darkness power comes from within, and Light this myth that exists in the previously said solar system/galaxy Still keep everything, you know, strikes, raids, weapon types etc It's not difficult

[@LuminaD2]

Focused light , focused darkness and into the light are all raid mods thay have any value outside of relay defender . Imo tbey need to make raid mods matter wayyyy more

[@holmes6171]

I agree with The Coil big time, endgame content is tough to break into and often just not fun with the underpowering aspect of gms and legendary content. The coil does a great job of scaling difficulty that still allows you to play off-meta builds without having to be a D2 god/sweat whilst maintaining a rewarding challenge

[@bread3958]

What do I want on my fixed odds though datto?

[@PlatinumDestroyer]

heard a buddy had a great idea for fixing armor. seasonal armor can drop at 75 max non masterwork and the armor expires after the season

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Why would you ever farm armor that expires when you can farm armor that remains forever and is good enough for all content?

[@nick50prinCe]

Great vid it always feels nice to have a discussion vid from you keep it up ❤

[@generalnawaki]

Drifter has the biggest hog. You can't be that chill at the end of all things and not be packing titanoboa levels of meat.

[@SamEy3Am]

I will be 34 this month. I will play destiny for the rest of my life as long as they keep making new content.

[@rj-sn7rq]

Watching people that don’t understand this game play this game is crazy 16:00

[@AveryHorton116]

I don’t even think the DCV has anything to do with new players. IMO, most people are still salty that we were stripped of content we PAID for and now we are paying for reskins of that same content

[@Dynasty1818]

THE LEAKS WERE TRUE ABOUT S23: TFS, PALE HEART AND ToSW REWARDS, EPISODES SIZE, NEW RED SUBCLASS (CODENAMED TERROR) - from a bungie employee affected by the layoffs: - tfs raid boss is a 4 phase fight against the witness - ends with the witness' darkness connection severed, and "a new type" of darkness released into the world. the lore rivals VOW's - very little 1-1 reuse of assets. old set-pieces (vog, kf, vow) are appropriated, but changed significantly - rhulk used as a campaign boss (not really him, just same model. ghost will comment on it though) - Lucient hive are in the traveller the same way cayde is - not really alive. they are being used as the traveller's main resistance to the witness - one mission requires the guardian to make a tenuous alliance with ecthar to fight a shadow of oryx using hive magic - pale heart is genuinely large - "tree of silver wings" in one of these side bubbles, has mechanic where you give it collectables (earned through doing challenges in pale heart) to unlock rewards: unique red-borders and an exotic - main aim of the pale heart is to "give players a long-term system to chase." - no new subclass planned for tfs, although it is in development. the red subclass leaks were real. bungie may end up including the new subclass with TFS if the delay happens - original tower from d1 returning SEASON 23: - dungeon is a direct sequel to shattered throne, the objective is to restore it to mara's control. savathun helps (begrudgingly, but it is nescessary to get through the portal) - season ends the dreaming city curse, aided by the actions taken in the dungeon. the 3-week cycle remains in the destination however - dragons breath seasonal exotic (note - this was news when i heard it) - seasonal activities are 3 battlegrounds - each one begins at the wish wall, players can shoot it a certain number of times each (determined by seasonal upgrades) to trigger random challenges or buffs ECHOES: - venus returns (mission(s) on venus were planned for lightfall but got cut, so much of the work was already done) - osiris' echoes sent out to explore the infinite forest have been subsumed by the vex - new "vex" enemy: ECHO - special buffer unit. casts song of flame, so allied projectiles scorch on hit. also applies "withered", which either reduces accuracy, reduces fire rate or both (was still in playtest so not final) - "withered" is a tease for the next subclass - two osirises: regular one, and an echo who is now a major vex antagonist, in control of the precursor vex. - precursor vex invasion of venus. lots of cool chrome/gold stuff littered around the landscape - episode story is mostly about finding out what is going on. eris morn, osiris involved BEYOND TFS: - episodes are being structured as enjoyable experiences to play through in one sitting. - vaulting will continue, but bungie plan to let old episode campaigns be replayed on a rotation. - plans to improve the new player experience significantly, move aspect/fragment unlocks away from vendor - episodes to be shadowkeep-sized, potential plans to continue episodes with greater investment as a replacement to tfs/lf/wq size expansions - no 2025 expansion planned SUBCLASS - subclass to be released alongside an episode "when it's ready" - internal codename "terror" (not final - think "vapor") - "wither" is one verb, with accuracy, move speed and fire-rate decrease - "decompose" is like a big damage over time thing - "mind control" ability - splatoon-like focus on painting terrain with zones. very cool! this information is from a contact at bungie affected by the recent layoffs. they asked that this not get released immediately to help them remain anonymous, as their future career prospects could be in trouble if their name gets out. info is sparce and spotty because releasing too much could put them at risk

[@idiotswithextrasteps2072]

Do you believe that bungi at some point will add more weapon arcatypes? (Example: a legendary double barrel that doesn't have a set spread but with an insanely random and widespread)

[@TheWagn156]

I think it would be a fun video project to do a 3 man vow or some 3 man hard raid encounter with like SirD and Jez that would be hilarious and if you guys really worked at it I'm sure you could do it.

[@johnnyhall9154]

Finally, I can have an opinion on Destiny in 2024

[@steveschweitzer4181]

one of the foundaries needs to have a recall (insert bs reason)

[@Machobanaenae]

Why is Datto edging in the thumbnail

[@alphtheor.879]

do you ever dream about Destiny being a better game? like not goals for the future dreams you fell asleep and dream about you playing a better version of destiny/destiny 2?

[@life-destiny1196]

Make raid titles gildable by completing that raid flawlessly each season.

[@porkypine602]

datto has some heat on the shelves behind him

[@doc3738]

Why did you misspell community

[@byrmaxson]

The "PVE Trials with leaderboards" thing is such an obviously great idea and it's a wonder it hasn't happened already. IMHO and maybe it's a Hot Take™ they need to just stop making a bajilion seasonal activities. They're a resource drain (lots of VA, multiple environments that sometimes are new-ish, etc) and they could instead focus resources on "evergreen" systems that would encourage playing core activities. What I'd do from my armchair dev position (/s) is make Nightfalls 3.0. Invest in reinventing modifiers, scaling and scoring/medals, set hard(er) timers and adjust every Strike by hand while also making new ones, enough to have fresher cycles yearly. Attach some more substantial, tiered rewards than just a lil' star thing on the Conqueror emblem (shaders, transmog, Sparrows w/e). And boom, there's the repeatable content draw that pushes people to climb leaderboards.

[@Victini0510]

Honestly I don't have any hope for anything Bungie related in the future. They have squandered absolutely all good will from me, and I will probably never trust them again

[@noobjnh]

Why does everyone keep saying Episodes are going to play out exactly like seasons when they are literally made and released differently. Episodes are going to give us binge-worthy chunks opposed to weekly repetitive nonsense. Now, it remains to be seen if those binge worthy chunks are in fact binge worthy and not just seasonal content given in chunks. Regardless, not the same.

[@handlessthunderclap5878]

I like the current state of armor, however I hope crafted weapons lose enhanced perks and give only adepts the ability to get enhanced perks

[@Palayedeuhm]

Love how he has the disclaimer in the beginning and then promptly goes “ok so first question who has the biggest hog in destiny” 💀💀💀

[@heythatsmejb3979]

Glad I could get in there with the first question to set the mood...

[@thepixarl4mp]

Well yeah, its a very important topic

[@LightCrib2]

elsie bray, clearly

[@Zarrakon]

bruh blud rizzler Ohio fr fr 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Bladedanced]

Nah it's tess eververse because of how hard we get boned on mtx

[@DontEatCream]

Nothing would disappoint me more than the witness fight being "a typical" boss fight. Imagine killing the Ultimate final big boss of the entire franchise by stacking in a well and spamming rockets

[@SirBeast1992]

Tbf the lore accurate reason why we killed rhulk is because 6 guardians shot his shoulders off while a warlock stabbed a sword on the floor.

[@Swaggy_Deity]

I agree , but i dont want the witness to be beaten by “mechanics” like bosses who are only damaged by mechanics like D1 Oryx, 2nd Enc grasp. Because then it might as well not be us beating the witness i think there needs to be a mix

[@Soulverine]

I don't think we're going to "kill" the Witness. I think we'll stop the Witness from enacting the Final Shale but the Witness will live on. Maybe we dismantle the Witness back into the race they came from, maybe we just send the Witness back to it's home solar system, whatever, but I don't think we'll kill it.

[@Jonononon]

I bet it’s just gonna be a typical boss fight and then a post raid mission to actually kill it.

[@NvwaAqoKy2kg]

'Member when we killed a big worm in an easy af story mission and Ghost was all, "That's the most powerful being I've ever seen." Oh word. Was it? Okay. Lol

[@Altoryu]

I know they hired Keith David for TFS but I am wondering on what capacity they hired him if he is like a permanent voice replacement or just staying around a bit to voice Zavala so they can write him out somehow sort of similar to how Nolan North had voiced Cayde before they killed him off in Forsaken.

[@kajus]

My best guess is exactly like you described with North voicing Cayde. Any new things Zavala says in the story will be KD lines. All the existing stuff Zavala has already said will remain as Lance's lines.

[@Kyubii01]

We need to normalize recasting upon an actors death. Not recasting or altering the plot because of an untimely death ruins the work the actors that passed worked hard to do.

[@claytonmitchell5685]

I think Zavala is here to stay. Nolan North was asked to play Cayde because they knew he could do it, and it was easy because he was already there for Ghost voice lines. Going through the process of hiring a high profile replacement for Lance does not scream “we are going to immediately kill this character off” to me

[@iraqnid5013]

pretty sure with the press release they said he would voice the character for final shape and beyond so he's probably fine

[@JeighNeither]

Even if he is going to die in the finale, they would still need to hire a voice actor, possibly to cover any lines not previously recorded, but mostly because if they didn't replace him, the community would know he's going to be killed off in the finale. I think he's getting the axe personally, but I appear to be in the minority.

[@CGR1410]

Imagine the Coil but it’s randomized from every seasonal activity so one room it could be a savathuns spire boss and then the next it’ll be one from the coil and then the next it can be a boss from a battleground but it just doesn’t end. After it hits master difficulty after the 4 rounds you can keep going but it’ll increase by 1-2 levels but if u complete the rounds u keep getting those high rare materials until eventually u run out of revives because of how hard the difficulty will eventually become.

[@bigcoffinhunter5500]

Imma throw my hat in the ring here and suggest stronger Roguelike mechanics for buffs and nerfs and stuff. Could make for an incredibly replayable activity!

[@Number3madvillainyenjoyer_]

I do think it would be fun however it could become annoying since some encounters would be way easier than others

[@soretoe9581]

Sounds like overdelivery😂

[@MrTorgueHighFiveFlexington]

Finally I can form my own opinions on these super important questions cos I’m an adult and can think for myself

[@user-qd6zn6wr9b]

EXPLOSIONS!?

[@aa4a-a4]

In regards to armor, I really like the idea of set bonuses, but I dont want to also have to deal with armor stats and farming. Would much rather they focus on developing an armor 3.0 then try to continue with what they have now

[@R0r7va5tor]

Something that would bring me back to destiny pretty quickly would be a system similar to guild wars 2’s legendary armor. Add a new tier of armor above legendary that has the same general stat spread, but you can customize the stat distribution on a whim (when not in a locked activity). Make it only accessible through a quest chain tied to endgame activities (raids, dungeons, gm’s for pve, trials and/or ranked for pvp), and make it long and expensive. Time-gated even, to give it some prestige. Make it look really cool, potentially with some glows or halos or effect depending on subclass attunement. This way it would give folks who already have “perfect” armor sets something to grind for, and once they have it they don’t need several different sets for different builds. Wouldn’t fix all the games issues, but it would give the hardcore folks something to chase for a while.

[@mocha1031]

One approach I could see Bungie taking to the sheer amount of content available is modular installs, which I think steam and some other launchers support. Being able to select which raids or locations or content are installed in packages (and possibly having in game ways of tracking these so you know what you need) would make storage management better for those who dont want to keep buying more SSDs

[@Ffom177]

Me over here with 8 drives 😅

[@Neuloo]

is that a feature on consoles, EGS and (dare i suggest) windows store? cuz steam isnt the only platform they have to manage

[@Ffom177]

@@Neuloo honestly I'm not sure I know you can uninstall 4k textures for certain games on steam for performance reasons I don't think console has that

[@Yumais]

They probably haven’t done this because it’d cause issues with conflicting server data.

[@lilyzrd]

@@Neulooyou can do this with some of the new call of duty’s, you can either download or completely forego the campaign or certain map packs for multiplayer

[@Glueeater26]

Has anyone put to thought that D3 could be a prequel? Dark ages, warlords, fully infected mars, pre frozen Europa, full eliksni war on earth, full scale cabal invasion? That would be sick

[@Klodhvig]

This would absolutely be my ideal next destiny game. I hate how we've basically just become the galactic space police in destiny, fighting to save the universe. I want a more apocalyptic feeling again

[@MattTheHuman9]

Wasn't humanity's first interaction with the Cabal in D1?

[@quentinlathrop5201]

@@MattTheHuman9no

[@Tristanator0503]

Destiny Reach will hit so hard

[@BlazinblaiserVods]

Wheres the power fantasy though. Isn't that just Call of duty with aliens? Dark Ages are pre traveler, pre light power.

[@thetruth9651]

Remove the artifact. Remove crafting. Bring back the old armor mod system. Remove half of the weapons in the game. There's too many. Stop adding perks. Again. Too many. Make raids and dungeons a little bit higher level than us. Add strike loot and heroic strikes. Make weapons level by using them and that will unlock the perks on them. Etc, etc. Too many things they need to do. That's my take.

[@Sohelanthropus]

I agree, finally someone with a damn brain

[@insomniaddictesp]

Sigh. I don’t know. I play some complex games and stuff but the thing that was cool about Destiny 1 was, your build was a combination of the subclass choices, the exotics you chose and the perks on your armor. Now it’s just, like, a lot of additional details to achieve the same thing and that cool factor has dropped for me. The game feels easy because abilities compared to D1 are way overtuned. Remnant is a little like D1, and I just enjoy build crafting there more because it’s really flexible. Destiny doesn’t feel flexible anymore. Before the loadout system existed to make a lot of small changes one button, but even so, sometimes I make an error, forget to fix it, equip a loadout and have to remember to save, I don’t, and I just have an error’d loadout unless I remember.

[@Sohelanthropus]

Yup, D1 builds were way simpler and more fun, now you have to go through like 10 pages to slot mods that take 1 second to select, and shit is just way top flashy and overtuned it has lost its charm

[@extractkun5911]

i don't even know if i care enough to buy final shape as is. if i do decide to buy and play, i'm done with d2 regardless. hopefully bungie knocks it out of the park and makes a comeback tho

[@Stratsiey]

Raids are the reason i play destiny from the beginning. In the space of fps pve cooperation, Destiny is simply unmatched imo. Thats why i stopped playing after peviathan because it wasnt fun. Came back this summer and founf the game a FRESH breeze. A lot of hate from the community but thw raids VOW and Last Wish are some of the coolest and moat challenging gaming experiences ive had. LOVE IT❤

[@soupster5009]

Wrath isn’t coming out you definitely read that, I was a play tester, for it it was supposed to come out when kings fall did but due to issues with the siege engine and axis part 2 it would have to be completely remade from the ground up rather then just ported with graphical improvements and mechanic changes

[@inoob26]

funny that someone brought up the idea of set bonuses cuz it existed at some point in Forsaken where Last Wish introduced anti Taken armor, but it has been long since phased out from armor now Really wished they further expanded on this idea like making region/planet/content specific armor set bonuses

[@Saint-8]

Well they've played with the idea for Gambit invader and collector sets and stuff. Now it's just bonus rep for seasonal vendors

[@CuriousLumenwood]

Trying to keep Destiny 2 going past TFS, for however long Bungie planned, was always an ambitious goal. This game hasn’t catered to new players for a long time. The model that Bungie delivers their story thru is not conducive to bringing in new players. The motto for Destiny should be just FOMO, it is literally baked into the game. I don’t think they should do a Destiny 3. I don’t think they should even continue Destiny 2 after TFS. I don’t think they can.

[@sanjivj9698]

You know Shaxx is packin a hammer when he makes Mara go from Lesbian to Bi

[@DarkDemon259]

I thought about it for a bit but I think the issue with seasonal fatigue came from the single "main quest" focus philosophy. Imagine if every season there were multiple side stories being told alongside the main seasonal story from different vendors. Each season could've launched with the full main quest (no time gates) and maybe 1 side quest with 2-3 more shorter sidequest stories being time-gated releases rather than what we got which was a single main quest with the same repeated quest steps being released each week via timegate. Imagine during season of the Seraph while we had the main quest with Rasputin, there was also a completely seperate side quest with it's own dialogue and story for Failsafe on Nessus that culminated in a unique Failsafe themed ship/shell/sparrow. A couple missions and little side adventure about Failsafe asking for your help trying to find/make an exo body suitable for her split personality AI. Now imagine if they made similar use of all the other vendors throughout the game that are sitting doing basically nothing; Devrim, Ikora, Ada, Variks, Elsie, etc. As long as they weren't an important character to that season's main story, there was room for a completely self contained quest and story that could have their own unique missions, strikes, objectives, rewards, etc. that could persist each season until the next expansion after which, they would go into the abandoned quest kiosk for people who missed out when they were initially available. It would serve as a nice middleground between mindlessly doing completely inconsequential strikes and doing the seasonal main quest mission. A sidequest with a bit more investment and nice little unique rewards at the end. Would resolve the complaint about the main story being timegated since there would still be something they could still timegate to get players to come back and experience week after week even if they timegated a twist reveal of the finale of the main quest. If the episodic model is anything like this, I'd have some hope at least.

[@nolanearle2916]

Hey Datto try Warframe I feel you’d love it especially if you enjoy destiny just a thought 🤷‍♂️

[@apeksblue]

Thanks Datto. There were a bunch of questions in here I hadn't thought of before and hadn't had an opinion on yet - now I do though! I'm already typing out your answers in a word doc for quick copy-pasting on reddit!

[@coolking4715]

I feel like some of these things are going to be very likely for D2 moving forward: Xivu, Fikrul and (some) of the Vex will get conclusions through these next 3 episodes. My reason why is because of the colors and pictures present on each of the pictures. The first one has red (like the vex eyes which are their most prominent feature) and has an osiris-ish/vex head character on the cover. The next one has dark blue, like corrupted ether, and (if my memory is right) Fikrul/scorn on the cover. The last one is green, the only green enemies being Hive so that could be the end of the light and dark saga with us killing Xivu. After that, they could just continue and add more locations to the game and make the story about something else (The Aphelion, the IX or something completely new). And that could be their selling point for D3. Even though I don't want a D3, it would make sense, they could add new locations for this new story without filling up the screen even more than it already is and they could attract new players with a new game. If they do that, hopefully they don't fumble it like D1 and D2 launch. I also think that would come way after Marathon.

[@seanmurphy7845]

The Coil would 100% be in competition for best seasonal activity if we could just get some goddamn rotation in the runs. It's the same 4 bosses in the same order every time, if you beat the Wyvern in #3 you're set to complete it because the Knight is a pushover.

[@tyhouston]

Destiny 2 needs World of Warcraft's Mythic Plus system for PVE. Keystone dungeons. Difficult increases per level of the dungeon. Destiny would be smart to try something like this, where your strikes have score, are timed, and you can fail by not making the timer.

[@ARavingLobster]

"I'd go back to D1" Go back in time and save Joe Staten from Bungie's post Halo corporate non-sense and this entire franchise will look completely different and would absolutely be the better version of itself. But you know, abusing the golden geese and all that.

[@gentlemanscarecrow5987]

Activities should be fun intrinsically, and the extrinsic reward of loot should only be an added bonus. If activities are fun, RNG loot will be fun to chase; if activities are tedious, RNG loot will actually make it worse. Red borders are a way to bypass the tedium of grinding for weapons in an activity you don't enjoy. I personally am thankful for a system that allows me to minimize the amount of time I have to spend grinding for weapons to bring into a more enjoyable activity.

[@darkside7802]

Can’t they just kill off Ikora for Osiris to take over? The. Give us someone to replace Cayde. Finally. Idk the lore. So maybe Osiris can’t do it for whatever reason. Idk.

[@spyderhunt]

I would love for a Destiny 3 to have classes be all the different races as guardians or lightbearers. Feel like that would add a lot of gameplay diversity

[@Subsistence69]

Not really though because race has no impact other than some occasional differences in dialogue which is cool but you would still just make a character and then play the game. Theyd have to grant special bonuses depending on what race you pick which would push it more in the mmo direction and would be really sick but I dont see them doing that

[@spyderhunt]

@@Subsistence69 the race specific bonuses would definitely change up the game at least. A Destiny 3 that’s just more of the same the 3 classes really doesn’t sound exciting.

[@Subsistence69]

@@spyderhunt agreed

[@davidvelazquez5460]

“Comunity”? Wtf. 😆 Just busting ya balls Datto. I think the main question is, when will we get another cosplay stream?

[@I2dios8]

Destiny 3 should be the way content is sunset. Don't bring any of the raids, dungeons, or most of the content forward into the next game. As it stands, Destiny 2 is just too bloated in terms of content, both for what new players need to pay for and learn. It's overwhelming. Sometimes you just need a total refresh.

[@colincraigo5793]

The thing Bungie can do to get people to chase armor is change or modify the stat categories themselves. Just like they did with Resilience. Nobody had any armor build that spec’d heavily into Resilience. After the announcement, overnight everyone was chasing armor pieces with 20+ Resilience. All builds across all classes and subclasses is literally Recovery, Resilience and Discipline with maybe Hunters swapping one of those three with Mobility. Yes, I know there are some decent builds that revolve around melee (Strength) but for 90% of the game it is those three stats. Bungie should make Intellect and Mobility worthwhile so we all have to go back out and grind for 20+ Intellect and Mobility armor. Go use D2 armor picker and try to make a build that has 100 Intellect and 100 Mobility and 100 of another stat with an already existing build of yours. Can you? Now what if I told you 100 Mobility now doubles your sprint speed and makes it harder for enemies to target you on the move? Also, 100 Intellect triples your super regen rate in PvE and increases the damage of your super? Could you? Don’t cheat and uses shitty fragments that do not work at all and only serve to give you stat boosts. No longer would I see a high intellect or mobility armor piece and automatically dismantle it. This would bring back armor chase. Armor would matter again. At least for a good amount of time until we are back where are now, but that would take a while.

[@mutantraze3681]

After the massive layoff, you’d have to be clinically insane to think they would invest to make a destiny 3

[@sequoia7284]

The layoffs feel like a big deal to us, but it is a pretty standard fare in these big companies.

[@dankerbell]

​@@sequoia7284so you think a good business strategy is: holy shit we're losing money, let's fire people! well we fired those people, now let's make a brand new game!

[@mutantraze3681]

@@sequoia7284doesn’t make them any less awful nor does it change the fact that the workload would have to be cut considerably to make up for the lack of workers

[@SeasideVultures]

That tts part at the end took me tf out I wasn’t prepared for that lmfao

[@JeighNeither]

Hasn't the Destiny team already publicly acknowledged they would use Unreal Engine if they were to create a Destiny 3? I'm pretty sure they've covered the fact that their engine has already surpassed the pinnacle of it's reach, & that a new engine would be necessary moving forward.

[@HPLovecraftsCat87]

The GDC guy was right, apathy will kill a game.

[@TheLeftHandedGuy]

As someone who is a casual destiny fan (but not a casual gamer), I don't see how bungie will ever get a ton of new players without making a destiny 3 and resetting everyone. Potential new players have missed out on so much and so many new systems have been added, removed, or changed that the game is completely inaccessible.

[@joshua117ify]

wrath is never coming back because bungie has stated themselves that the rise of iron dlc is something they wish to fully retcon out of the game and lore of destiny. if you want a little proof of that read the lore for trespasser they changed it to get rid of shiro-4 that was his gun now hes not even mentioned in the lore tab and i dont think he is even referenced in the new dungeon when it was him alone that destroyed the entire house of kings

[@xNeoNxCyaN]

I’m hoping the wishes are good, I’m also hoping there’s either new or reissued weapons (black armoury weapons for example) because I have all the new seasonal weapons from this season so I releastically have no reason to engage with the content otherwise

[@xNeoNxCyaN]

Also maybe the community was too hasty to hate on sunsetting, because there was no way for bungie to win when it comes to that situation, they sunset the community got mad, they didn’t sunset weapons, and now people are complaining about weapons not being worth the chase, or weapons not being diverse enough to bother going after

[@rgentum]

@@xNeoNxCyaNI’m more upset over the loss of the first half of the game rather than its loot. Trying to convince people to get into this game is awful when the starter point is just nonexistent. It would be the same as starting the John Wick franchise with the third movie. Yeah it’ll be a cool movie, but you’re gonna be so lost and confused on what’s going on and what’s happened in the past.

[@CoffeeT0ffee]

my question would be: why is xivu a bigger problem than oryx and savathun

[@JQDeathFromAbove96]

Here’s one: can Bungo make scaling a thing? If I’m solo bosses should get only 1/3 the hp and add sensor should only be 1/3. OR if Bungo is leaving things the way they are they should give solo players 2 revives in spawn restricted areas and bosses should still only have 1/3 health. Bungo your game is not fun for solo players stop listening to Aztecross and the other elitist scum!!!

[@thewarstockguy]

It's an ugly fact for those of us who really do love things like Forsaken and Witch Queen, and even standout seasonal moments like Eris, Drifter, and Crow's arcs, but the truth is, Bungie hasn't REALLY landed the narrative since Red War. Everything since is drip fed bs though radios or 20 second storyboard style cutscenes, or it's a case like Forsaken, which absolutely, whether you like it or not, does not make sense as a standalone campaign. You see the tip of the iceberg in these stories and the rest is just implied, and Bungie will never respect this story enough to actually SHOW you all of it. We will never have a proper cinematic campaign, a true journey for our characters over a single experience, like we did with Red War. Bungie knows how little they can get away with now, unfortunately.

[@thewarstockguy]

*through radios. I don't even remember which part of the video got me onto this lol. I think it was the talks about Final Shape not really landing, and tbh, I don't think it will. Again, Bungie just does not respect this story enough take the time and dev hours to properly tell it. This is something I've grieved and finally accepted about them, and it's the main reason why I ultimately uninstalled the game in October, after playing since the night the D1 Beta went live.

[@thesourcefinder]

The easiest content to make that everyone loves. Datto is working on his other channel.... attaboy

[@anthonykenny3418]

I think the only way to make armor worth getting anymore is making set bonuses for example, I'm wearing 3 Armour pieces from vow, so get more devour healing per kill, put another piece on the effect gets stronger, put 2 pieces of last wish Armour on get a different effect etc. Should be able to mix and match different effects like TFT

[@Ronnoplaysgames]

I would 100% get back into Destiny with Destiny 3

[@silverbro13]

Replacing Gambit with a Coil + Deep Dive ramp-up roguelike would be fan-fucking-tastic

[@Whompens]

I feel like a potential answer for the armor grind is armor 4.0, and add random intrinsic armor perks. or have origin traits for armor. would have to be something small probably, tiny bonuses to certain things, but could work.

[@hy1mang]

If there’s a Destiny 3, I really do want to see things like player housing or clan halls along with a better social area and much better character customization. This probably isn’t a very popular idea, but I feel like if the game is going to try to be live service it should try and be a little more livable like other games in the genre. Probably just a me thing.

[@TheDuskmourn]

I think one thing the community really ruined was having the fun hidden community secret events after the went too far on Niobe Labs, but it had a great deep lore to get there.

[@carlvanderbee6886]

Titan was so boring, I hated going there for almost anything.

[@Fiishe]

Honestly, I'd like to see Datto tackle FFXIV and it's endgame content if he goes into variety content. I know he dabbled with it a few years ago but I don't know what his thoughts on the game were.

[@JungKooksTwin]

we need brand new loot to chase, reskins have got out of control. But every season eververse gets filled with new shit.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

If they don’t release a new game I think keeping current players as well as getting back old players AND welcoming new players is going to require a complete overhaul to the structure of the game. Think Destiny 1 Year 1 vs The Taken King. Otherwise I do believe the game will peter out.

[@mrshutin2088]

Coil should be endless until you die and run out of revives or just can’t damage enemies due to power level or something like that

[@nicolasbonilla9021]

Hey Datto, I watched this vid with some uni friends and they think you would make a great business or philosophy major. They said your tone of voice suits the position.

[@3hirdtimesacharm]

My question: What do you Datto or ANYONE think they'll do about transmog? Currently you can only unlock 10 per character per season. So when they change how Seasons are done and even AFTER TFS I wonder how the transmog will be handled. Will they just go back to the original method of having to buy transmog with silver? 🤔

[@TheSilvercue]

For a few years Destiny players have been laughing at the “Destiny Killers” …but now, they are desperate for a Destiny Killer so they can move to play something else instead

[@c4nuckistani]

The path to Destiny 3 is an engine upgrade. Destiny 2 -> Marathon -> Destiny 3, where Marathon has updates that would be too hard to port back into D2 and where it's impossible to update D2 content to Marathon engine changes.

[@whatsinthebox9732]

Imagine still giving a damn about this trash game lol

[@Von_Craven]

On the concept of The Coil, the Rogue-Like aspects... I have said forever (since like beyond light) that they should bring back CoO Infinite Forrest as a Coil like Rogue-Like mode but much more expanded. Since we have Trials of Osiris for PvP, we can then have Trials of the Forrest for PvE. As for a PvEvP mode, gambit has been stagnant and i would much rather have a almost Strike like mode where its 2 or three teams of 3-4 so its at max 9-12 players matchmade into teams to run objs side by side to hinder each other as they go along, almost Menagerie style objectives, but progress is hindered by other teams and you hinder them by completing special objectives as you go. Reward players for being speedy but also skillful so lowest time and best kill ratios and getting more precision kills will net you better score overall. One thing i have wanted for ages as well is an extra character slot for a legit Hardcore character, like permadeath, and they have their own separate but smaller vault. make it have exclusive rewards for milestones.

[@petervalvo1186]

I don't really care for any of the vaulted content, but I'd be very down for them to bring back Infinite Forest as a rogue-like mode. It's what I was sorta hoping that it was going to be when it first released and was very disappointed when it ended up just being a glorified hallway

[@Deathslayer296]

To add onto this, you could spend your points between rounds to buff yourself, OR nerf the enemy team you're competing against. Imagine you have to choose between buffing your solar damage OR spawning extra shriekers for the enemy team. Like that would be AWESOME

[@thewarstockguy]

It would've been cool if Neomuna had been held back, then used to a fuller potential as an integral part of the next saga. Really "out-there" kind of thinking, but they could've even developed them as an antagonist with some sort of civil war type of arc. Its inclusion here though, was so bizarre. This thing that completely shatters our understanding of the story, and of our fight, right at the end of the story, then its massive implications are completely ignored.

[@jackburkel4119]

Haven't even watched the video and datto already out here rollin his eyes