I bought a SECOND GPU… but NOT for gaming - AV1 on Intel Arc

[@JeffWaynee]

It seems Intel has always had a much better grasp on creative related GPU tasks. They're still figuring out the gaming part.

[@JahidulIslam]

Intel has better chance to challenge nvidia in creative field than AMD. AMD has always been lackluster in that field.

[@JeffWaynee]

@@JahidulIslam AMD had some decent workstation GPU's a few years ago, but they seem to have almost given up on that market these days.

[@deeplaysgaming4754]

yeah but the majority of consumers buy video cards to play games those that dont soc chips work fine for them, so gamings a big part im not going to buy a card for worse graphical ability but better encoding, if the card struggles to hit 60fps in games theres not much point having good encoding.seems lie will have to wait a while if ever for intel drivers to catch up.

[@superneenjaa718]

@@JahidulIslam lol. Vega were killer compute cards, just like ampere. They used to outperform their pascal counterparts.

[@JeffWaynee]

@@deeplaysgaming4754 Absolutely, but there is a growing creative PC market, so a YT or Twitch creator can really benefit from the $140 the card costs. It will pay them back hundreds of times over with the time it saves. But that's a niche situation still for sure. So someone who wants to game alone shouldn't even really consider Intel.

[@mauromerconchini]

I know you read these Linus, so here's some feedback: because KZbin's compression will destroy whatever example you're trying to showcase when it comes to comparing image quality of different encoders and settings, it would be a lot more helpful if you use screenshots of the footage and zoom in to show key examples side by side. Having little to no motion means that the encoder can grab an "I-frame" and do very little or no change to compress it going forwards. If you do want to show footage instead of stills, I'd recommend zooming in and playing 60fps footage at half speed.

[@key099able]

@@dekjet How about no.

[@nextbizzy]

Good points

[@andremalerba5281]

Just like DF does!

[@natayaway]

the codecs they're filming and editing on are all-intra codecs.

[@dscarmo]

He knows that and they have done that before in comparisons, this is a flotplane ad

[@jtb3797]

Everyone wants Intel to succeed in this space so bad, it's fantastic

[@Decenium]

yeah but only so they dont have to buy it and get AMD/Nvidia for cheaper....

[@Icybubba]

@@Decenium Let's be honest, it's Nvidia. People always will want AMD or Intel to succeed so they can get Nvidia

[@Wilvin]

I am no fanboy. I will gladly get Intel's video cards if they give great value for the money and wattage and start competing at the higher end. Wanted to get 3080 back in 2020. Insane prices forced me to wait 2 years. I am still waiting and was very disappointed by RTX 4000s. Definitely will NOT be getting the old RTX 3000s that are still above MSRP at this point.

[@Wilvin]

@@lunarvvolf9606 The best case scenario would be all 3 companies have 30+% market share. You'll see the best generational leaps in performance in recent history. Everyone will be competing hard to make a better product

[@Icybubba]

@@lunarvvolf9606 please be sarcastic

[@MultiMojo]

ARC gpus might be a good buy in enterprise as well - I used to work with IP cameras and we always struggled with multiple RTSP streams from 10+ cameras without spending tons on Xeon processors. GPUs were out of question as they were too expensive. A380 might help with these usecases.

[@craigmurray4746]

This is actually a fantastic use case. Our school's Dahua cameras use H.265 compression and most of our client PC's don't have a modern enough GPU or CPU to effectively handle the load. Of course ARC may not help as these machines don't support ReBAR. But Nvidia doesn't even really have much that plays in the low end anymore

[@konzo5942]

intel igpus can encode/decode 10+ streams at 1080p, this is by far the best value.

[@craigmurray4746]

@@konzo5942 Maybe the modern ones hey, but these machines in my school are mostly 3rd gen i3 chips still, with a Geforce GT610. H.264 encoding can be handled ok, not 265 though. The lowest end Geforce to support H.265 is a 1030. Which is itself no longer a very current card either.

[@konzo5942]

@@craigmurray4746 really I was talking the original comment, but even then I don't really see what an arc GPU is going to do for you. A cheap upgrade for your pcs? Like you say a 1030 would be better.

[@XTR_NEELAN]

Why did i read A380 as Airbus A380

[@thedallasmav]

I had the exact same thought (using an intel gpu as a low cost method to gaining av1 encoding for better streams) so I'm glad that Linus and the gang made this video. Super helpful!

[@MasterCraftX8]

Respect for LTT for looking at legitimate use cases for Arc and explaining them clearly.

[@abramwalker882]

Hot take: Linus is being really pushy about these products. Smells fishy

[@stevenblakesley]

@@abramwalker882 He's a tech reviewer and Intel is becoming just the third brand to be in the GPU space. That's unbelievably noteworthy. Anything other than wall to coverage of the possibilities with these cards would be foolish. Check out the view counts JayzTwoCents is getting on his coverage of this as well. I guess you think team blue has all of tech youtube bought and that the view counts are lying?

[@abramwalker882]

@@stevenblakesley It's not the coverage, but his recommendations about an admittedly subpar product for hopes of competition. Just doesn't sit the right way with me.

[@fynkozari9271]

Av1 video codec (2018) is good. Too bad not many people use it.

[@stevenblakesley]

@@abramwalker882 I think it would be a stretch that Intel would release something with 0 use cases. I think Linus has been fair in showing the possible ways you can use this card, especially at the low price point

[@BasicallyHomeless]

This is exactly what I wanted to see 😎 thanks uncle Linus

[@LizordSword]

ankle linus tek tips

[@isaacstrong6865]

It’s you

[@thatonenon-uniqueindividual]

Love your videos keep up the good work

[@harisjaved1379]

Why are you basically homeless?

[@desupernoodle]

Mr Hummus Man

[@marxmaiale9981]

Been waiting for someone to start doing reviews on these for their non-gaming use cases.

Jupp. A lot of reviews are so "gaming and rasterization" performance oriented that it gets annoying and I cant make a purchases decision on that alone. Not to name some YT channel but at least one seems to focus there howl "$$$" value on just that and being very pro AMD (My main rig is AMD CPU/GPU btw) My checklist for my GPU purchase includes Linux support, Compute, but nowadays Encoding is very important for me. My GTX970 in my lab computer runs circles around my RX5700 when it comes to encoding, its not even funny, pretty sure my GTX780 did to. So Im brute forcing video editing and rendering on a 3900XT but considering I did the same work as fast on a GTX970 before with an older 8 core CPU its annoying. the GTX970 is mainly for OBS capture nowadays but would make a decent co-pro to the RX5700. I think more and more people with a PC use it for a lot more then games even if games is one of there focuses. Encoding is important (streaming, encoding videos etc), so is GPGPU performance (3dmodeling) and support for features and API's, something Nvidia knows and therefor can be the asshole segmenting there cards like they do. Intel has a big chance of offering a lot more value for more niche areas like encoding, I know companies that focus on streaming services for companies and AMD cards go to the trash (shit performance), they often use mid to low Tier Nvidia card because equipping multiple machines with gpus cost money. Imagine now Intel coming in with even cheaper and better performing GPGPU's with better encoders, there are already server prototypes just for this task that is sad to be unbeatable in cost and performance per dollar and watt. Reviewers need to stop valuing GFX cards based on games/rasterization only! I personally want a Arc PRO 50 to complement my RX5700, it would be the cheap option for me to get what my system lacks.

[@shadowarez1337]

I'd wait for the Arctic Sound to be available without buying the whole server. Those will shred these lil cards into oblivion if you're going to use em for non gaming workloads

[@isaac10231]

Same!

[@DeZzBeZooked]

@@shadowarez1337 how longs the wait

[@shadowarez1337]

@@DeZzBeZooked iv got 2-3 weeks I'm way way up in Canada so I always expect least 2-3 weeks minimum

[@TheDarkestPhoenix]

Hey, nice. This is actually the usecase I was thinking about for these cards when I saw their price. I'd have liked to see the the flyover again because that is probably the nastiest part of that benchmark you were showing off. The foliage is REALLY hard to get right with encoders, which turns it into a smudgy mess. But yeah, a low-cost co-processor that doesn't require me to set up a second rig for streaming sounds really nice. But what you did show off... also didn't impress. Guessing KZbin crushed the compression?

[@JuryDutySummons]

At $140, this seems like a possible contender for dedicated plex/media PCs. Could ya'll explore that possibility in a video?

[@chrisparky]

I think it would rely on the TV or Plex clients decoding AV1 do they support it?

[@DesertCookie]

Especially if they support virtual GPUs like they mentioned. So the same GPU could be passed through to a gaming VM and at the same time odder hardware transcoding to two Jellyfin instances (my specific use case for whoch i currently have a GTX 1650 and UHD 750).

[@DesertCookie]

@@chrisparky Most don't (yet) - Google only recently released a 1080p Chromecast with AV1 support. However, the GPU will just be as good in transcoding from AV1 to H.264/265/VP9 as long as those are more widely supported.

[@chrisparky]

@@DesertCookie Cheers good info thanks.

[@AyoKeito]

Plex does not support AV1 yet.

[@Thousand00]

Whoever the video editor and script writer for this one, you did a good job showing what Linus was talking about. Kudos to you.

[@TrevKen]

Could Intel go all-out on this use-case by making it able to capture/stream HDMI 2.1 from a PS5 or something too?

[@Attackid]

for anyone wondering credits at the end say: Editor - Robert Oakes, Writer - CI-ARC Kent

[@Thousand00]

@@Attackid Is his name actually CI-ARC Kent?

[@Later_Nerd]

I noticed how well the script was written too. Can't say I've ever even thought about that. Kudos. That's a lot of technical information made pretty approachable.

[@Attackid]

@@Thousand00 it's a play on words for Alex Clark "Kent"

[@srwooten2]

Stoked to see how arc can impact the home/media server world. If these pan out to be successful and stable power horses of transcoding I would totally buy one.

[@Kmodoe]

I would love to buy one for my server. I hope it works out

[@seegee9]

Agreed. Would be cool to spend a couple hundred bucks for a killer plex server

[@DarkVeilGaming]

Yep, immediately thought about how well this would work in my home server for encoding for Jellyfin! (Assuming it gets support for intel arc at some point)

[@randombot1337]

Didnt even think of putting one on my media server

[@dylanjones8191]

It’s exactly what I’m waiting for. I’ve read Unraid is likely six months off supporting it. Hoping to reencode my 100tb of content so I can pause buying hard drives for a while.

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

The AV1 codec will get better. I remember when the Fraunhaufer IIS MP3 first came out, the command line required to encode a raw wav to mp3 was insane. But within a year, there were shortcut programs and gui programs, then it was adopted by everybody. I have a feeling AV1 will go the same way.

[@Darkk6969]

Yep. Hardbrake would be one of them.

[@muizzsiddique]

Also, LTT was being a little deceiving. If you use SVT-AV1 there is next to no extra settings to configure, just pick your preset, depending on how much time you have, and then a bitrate. AV1 encoders have come a long way already. RAV1E should be in the same boat.

[@KaiSoDaM]

I'm using "NotEnoughAv1Encoders" for my oldschool-anime library, i got rid of all x264 files. No regrets. 480p from 2000´s era looks better on av1 somehow. Less blocky Sv1-av1 with a Ryzen R6 2600 takes around 10 minutes for each anime episode

[@Mine18x]

There are already several programs for encoding/recording/exporting in AV1. Shotcut, OBS, Handbrake (Nightly), NMKoder, Shutter Encoder, etc So AV1 is already more than usable for average users, although quality will vary wildly, and your videos won't embed on Discord and other media sharing programs.

[@fynkozari9271]

I have been using h264 x265 for a decade. But very little AV1 codec. Idk why people won't use it.

[@LadderFromMGS3]

honestly this seems like it would big for streamers, and it’s nice to fill out your case and actually use all those extra PCIe slots!

[@Gellis12]

Not really; twitch doesn't let you stream in av1, they only allow h.264. The only value here is based on the hope that twitch does allow av1 streaming at some point in the future, but not h.265 (which is unlikely, considering the fact that h.265 is far more widely supported and also has zero content distribution fees, despite Linus's mistake in the video where he confused physical consumer device royalties with content distribution fees)

[@Gellis12]

@@lunarvvolf9606 my dude out here playing 6D chess

[@theendurance]

av1 streaming will never come. but av1 is great for compressing large recordings or movies

[@BboyBreeze]

@@theendurance

[@sweetsomething235]

Alright so... gpu, capture card, and an arc media card. Dam you'd need a full aurus atx motherboard. With 3 (×16-4) slots.

[@IngwiePhoenix_nb]

Would love to see filesize comparisons tbh, this sounds neat! Throw this arc in a Linux box (well, the distros with kernel v6) and just set up plex or jellyfin to use av1. This ought to be super neat!

[@Waitwhat469]

The Jellyfin use is really exciting to me too!

[@passintogracegoldenyearnin6310]

You missed it then, they showed you can go as low as 50-60% filesize compared to h.264 It's not as good as h.265 seemingly but it is close enough and as they said it is cheaper because there is no license.

[@Neoxon619]

I know you mentioned the Intel Arc GPU as being a potential option for streamers for a secondary GPU, so I’m glad to finally see that put into practice.

[@costoon9337]

Heh i still need moni

[@superneenjaa718]

Putting your system stability at risk? I'd never recommend this to a streamer. Many of them aren't super tech savy. If arc drivers start their usual shenanigans, it'd be a very tough day for them.

[@trr4gfreddrtgf]

@@superneenjaa718 we can probably expect intel to fix this issue, remember, this is a first generation product, there are bound to be issues

[@superneenjaa718]

@@trr4gfreddrtgf even if they do, why would you put work at risk? A streamer could lose his/her whole day of income because of a shoddy graphics card.

[@trr4gfreddrtgf]

@@superneenjaa718 You can probably expect it to be fixed soon, remember, this is a first generation product.

[@mamaharumi]

Great to see LTT finally mention bitrate and how important it is to video quality.

[@LeftJoystick]

They mentioned it a wholeeee bunch back when Floatplane was getting off the ground.

[@Get-Rekt]

Yea my monitor can't show me more than 720p (my computer can't handle more anyways) but I can enjoy LTT videos without any feeling of bad quality :))

[@Veon1]

The A750 seems like it might a good value entry-level card for someone who wants to get into streaming/recording of modern games. AV1 support and solid DX12/RT performance for a pretty low price compared to the competition.

[@Ikxi]

But only if the drivers get better and you only play DX12 titles or Solitaire. But still amazing nonetheless.

[@Demopans5990]

It also looks promising for GPU compute applications. If Intel provides drivers and compilers for that, data scientists would finally have an option other than Nvidia stuff

[@Gunks_]

If the drivers weren't such a disaster, I'd be recommending A750s, and even A770s, to anyone who wants a mid-range 1440p gaming system. A750+12400f or 5600X and you have a pretty great 1440p system for ~$500(+$300-400 for all other components if not upgrading). But the drivers are such a mess that, unless they're very tech savvy, I just can't recommend it.

[@WayStedYou]

No way. A380 for av1 and a nvidia or amd card that actually runs the games

[@Gunks_]

@@WayStedYou The Arc cards outperform or match the AMD cards in basically all modern games at 1440p or 4k. At 1080p, AMD is definitely the move, but Intel does better at higher resolutions. If you want a higher end build, then yea, you need to go AMD or Nvidia. But obviously with the driver issues, it doesn't matter.

[@dustinnewman949]

The editing on this episode is on point. I like the new animations added in, it flows really well and definitely adds to the video 👍

[@purrfectmistake3902]

As an epileptic.. I greatly appreciate the photosensitivity warning. Its rare that I'll find a company going out of their way to be considerate for us with epilepsy. Thank you LTT Team.

[@GoldenPickaxe]

It's relatively common for KZbin channels just uncommon in mainstream media

[@zahidshabir4038]

I have Epilepsy too although mine isn't photosensitive (the one where strobing lights can give you seizures) I still hate looking at strobing lights especially when it is to the extreme. a few years ago I had a test done to see if my epilepsy was photosensitive and I was literally tortured with strobing lights and had something on my face to try to force my eyes open and it hurt so bad. This went on for like half an hour straight and I passed the test and was hurting so bad in every way except for you know any epileptic ways (due to my epilepsy I sometimes have weird feelings in my head and sometimes my mind goes blank which is quite rare nowadays but I do get headaches which I had never experienced I don't think till I had epilepsy in 2017)

[@GoldenPickaxe]

@@zahidshabir4038 I have seizures and this has convinced me to never ever get tested for epilepsy thank you

[@gabrielfair724]

Attention: something not mentioned in this video is that even if your motherboard has two or more x16 pci slots, it doesn't (and often doesn't) mean that your chipset has enough pci lanes to support the second gpu. ESPECIALLY if you have anything else attached to your x8, x4, or x1 slots. Check the chipset of your motherboard to see how many lanes your motherboard has, and then do the math to see if you have enough for your needs. Edit: Starting with AMD Zen 3, AMD chips now share PCI lanes with its USB devices and any onboard network adapters (ethernet, wifi, etc). So your math might be short if you use newer AMD processors

[@oienu]

You need it run at the full x16? My k2000 was at x4 on the PC and a x1 on the notebook (expressCard to PCIe x16 adapter) and working just fine.

[@Lighthouse_out_of_order]

You don't need x16 for encoding. x4 will be just fine. Question is - will the chipset allocate the lanes like we need (x16 for the gaming gpu, x4 for the Arc), and will it be automatic or we have to figure out how to do this?

[@oienu]

I'm sure if the MoBo have at least 2 PCIe x16 It need do it. On my board I can set the port to x1 manually but default is Auto and that change to x1 if you use another port. I think x1 is fine, on 2.0 is 4 Gbit/s (500 MB/s) that is a lot.

[@Tortoise7597]

Every comment in this thread is over thinking

[@CoolJosh3k]

Might be able to get away with the bottom most slot, but a second GPU slot usage would mean restricting your primary to x8 speeds and that might matter if you have a very powerful GPU.

[@BrownieX001]

I want to see a follow up on how Intel Arc performs on Plex transcoding tasks instead of streaming. Like an old Xeon server with unraid vs new threadripper. How well the different configurations will affect performance.

[@Darkk6969]

Same here but in a ProxMox environment with GPU pass-through. I wonder how well it'll work with that.

[@urgay1992]

Plex does not support AV1, so the transcoder would have to use h.264. Also pretty sure ARC GPUs are not actually supported at all by plex yet, so this would be impossible to test until that is implemented.

[@KaiSoDaM]

Jellyfin supports Av1, plex doen´st (even if they do problably will charge the premium service)

[@Juice1984]

+

[@mrbanana6464]

@@KaiSoDaM another W for jellyfin

[@ponto1029]

3:10 Who let this happened 😭

[@yerco75]

😂😂😂

[@playdoob]

Great vid! Hope it’s quicker than a few years for AV1 to become mainstream so that these workarounds aren’t necessary.

[@dragondompyd7171]

For me it's awesome to see these improvements as it also means better in home streaming as soon as AV1 is supported by Parsec/Steam... Beeing able to stream AAA Titles from my PC to any of my devices is awesome :)

[@brianmoreno770]

Here before it being listed lets gooooo

[@Rypoint]

how tho ?

[@TheRadioactiveBanana32]

same

[@parkerb3519]

Let's Goooooooooooooo

[@keshjay6553]

built diff

[@Jizzler1]

@@Rypoint KZbin moment

[@CokaKoala]

This (7:18) isn’t a good way to demo the comparison of the image qualities. It should be showing the same exact half of the scene on both sides, rather than the different halves of the same scene. It would make it easier to spot the differences if we were comparing the exact same images.

[@jebkermin5914]

@linus Tech Tips Thanks for this video, as a videographer that has never really gotten into codecs it was a huge help, also your guys' ability to explain a complicated topic in an easy way is second to none.

[@DesertCookie]

I'm wondering if AV1 will ever become as widely used and easily played back as H.265 is right now - compared to when it was released nearly ten years ago. Maybe we'll get AV1 recoding in cameras once the SOC encoders are as cheap as those for H.264/265 and it becomes an option just like the current video codecs?

[@yensteel]

The big reason for Av1 excitement is that H.265 is kinda proprietary. Apple and other hardware companies need to pay the 2 to 3 patent pools money for every device sold just to support that format at the hardware level. AV1 is not necessarily open source, but it's not proprietary. You don't need to pay anybody to use it commercially. Most people are fine with x265, which is an open implementation, but getting h.265/HEVC to work at the hardware level is annoy for hardware manufacturers and softwares to support them.

[@Mine18x]

@@DesertCookie H.265 isn't that widely used, you're thinking of H.264.

[@Akab]

4:50 me watching this on my phone at 360p "they're the same picture" 😅

[@joekenorer]

3:15 You played that meme as safely as possible, lol.

[@caiustox]

As I mentioned in the other video, I think this could be a great card for content creators that want to build a dedicated streaming PC and use its encoding capabilities paired with a beefy CPU.

[@commanderoof4578]

A dedicated streaming PC would only need a beefy CPU if your planning on Vtubing with OpenSeeFace + leap-motion or other high intensity stuff I personally both record at 4k and stream at 1080p with OBS with a 3090 and a 5600x and basically never see anything other than 0.6% average CPU usage I also have my OpenSeeFace and leap-motion offloaded to my laptop so thats 25% usage gone from my main while still being fully self contained outside of the VMC protocol data from my laptop (it is a beefy laptop tho 3740qm it still dominates most laptops you can get today if your spending under £400)

[@WedgeTalon]

This is exactly what I'm looking at. Strongly considering a380 + rtx 3050. The rtx card allows usage of nvidia's Broadcast features (for audio noise removal, or ai video background removal, or just another source for video encode/decode with nvenc). Alternatively, I'm waiting to see what an rtx4050 will cost, because that could potentially do the job of both, but if it holds to the pricing on the 4090, then the combo may be the better deal.

[@btarg1]

This would be a more appealing option if you could use a GPU like this for upscaling an image that the other GPU creates, like a dedicated XeSS/DLSS card

[@kingzor100]

tbf dlss is already offloaded on tensor cores meaning offloading if would do absolutly nothing but add latency. fsr and xess though maybe.

[@Xenodine81]

@@kingzor100 what about the power draw of those dlss cores? One would think you'd free up some power headroom offloading that, even at the cost of some latency.

[@matejnemec3022]

@@Xenodine81 wat? How about the entire second GPU you are offloading it to? How do you imagine it will take less power than tensor cores integrated in a chip you will be using regardless?

[@Xenodine81]

@@matejnemec3022 overall it wouldn't. I am referring to the power limits for a single chip. This is why I already offload encoding to a second gpu, frees up ~30 watts on my primary. That's about a 15% raster performance gain on my setup.

[@matejnemec3022]

@@Xenodine81 Hmm interesting I guess I understand how this could be relevant however its extremely niche/rare situation.

[@Panda_Gibs]

This seems like an excellent use case for m.2 cards. If you have a carrier board in a PCI-e slot, you could in theory add several specific accelerators. Given these encoders are available on modern SOCs for cellphones, it should be physically possible to fit and power them.

[@Roxor128]

That's a really good idea. I can imagine a card that'll fit into a x16 slot having room to screw down four m.2 cards, giving each one up to four PCI-Express lanes.

[@kaktusgoreng]

I can see that work. But we have to see how much those accelerators take power since m.2 only supports around 25 watts and how they manage the heat

[@dekeonus]

@@kaktusgoreng searching around for hardware encoders I'm seeing 6.5W - 9W for h265 4K@60 encode (which also includes network chip & management chip / cpu) so I suspect a dual stream (de/en)coder should be fine with that power budget. EDIT: I think heat will be the more significant limit.

[@chickenpoodlesoup]

I've been using an A380 for weeks and the encoder is so good. Can confirm is works great in a second pc for encoding, and I'm not just talking AV1. QuickSync H.264 was a noticeable improvement from NVENC that I used before it.

[@MultiMojo]

How many AV1 streams can the A380 support? RTX cards had a hard lock at 1-2 NVENC streams, wondering if it's the same with A380

[@ShinjiRL]

@@MultiMojo The keyword is "had", it is now 3.

[@jeroddunn]

$140 for 4 display outs is also an amazing deal.

[@JeffWaynee]

Hell yes it is

[@DiomedesDominguez]

I don't know if you're working already on this, but can you show us some research around the usage in virtual machines and for other work loads, like machine learning/compute vision? Thanks in advance.

[@sylfrear]

Machine learning please!!!

[@DiomedesDominguez]

If I could use and ARC for ML and give me better price per performance ratio, I'll buy it the same day that the video came out in any channel of LMG

[@marka5968]

Such a great analysis video. I think game streamers will greatly benefit. For everyone it will very helpful in their future streaming work. Linus is so great at finding these amazing values out of nowhere and I'm sure Intel is thrilled to the moon from this analysis.

[@tylersanders2388]

It seems to me like a 2 PC setup with this arc a380 for streaming might be a really cool option if you did it professionally. You can recycle an old system and not risk the issues that come with adding an Intel gpu to your high performance gaming pc with another brand of gpu installed

[@Get-Rekt]

does ReBAR affect encoding performance though?

[@rustypotatoes]

i love the intros now, theyre so cool and well thought out :)

[@ValexNihilist]

I ordered your screwdriver last night. I work for a company that recycles and re-sells computers. I am constantly taking apart computers and putting them back together. I can't wait until your screwdriver gets here!

[@DerKlappspaten]

For an eventual writeup on media encoding, can you please include a picture showing the difference to the original? And by that I mean overlay the encoded frame with the original and then substract pixel values. Artefacts would easily be visible.

[@Roxor128]

A second non-gaming use for it: crunching data for BOINC projects when you're not encoding video. Actually, it's probably usable for that even when you are encoding video, as the GPGPU stuff probably uses different parts of the chip.

[@lolmao500]

If only Linus and the gang did a video on BOINC one of these days....

[@__aceofspades]

Linus hit the nail on the head. I bought an Arc A380 for $130 and now I have AV1 encoding support, and faster and better H.264/H.265 than what even a 3090 Ti would give me. Also since I have Intel 12th gen I can use Intel DeepLink, which pairs my A380 and Intel IGP, making encoding speeds 80% faster in handbrake. Im am THRILLED with the my purchase of an A380, its the perfect content creator GPU, and its insanely cheap.

[@potatorigs2155]

pretty cool when you have deep pockets indeed

[@teetea7734]

Very nice!

[@kiloneie]

@@potatorigs2155 ?

[@Satoru-Gojo]

@@potatorigs2155 $130 😏

[@laurentiudll]

i dont get it, can i use these intel gpus for rendering in davinci resolve faster than my 1080TI ?

[@GrantSR]

THIS!!! This right here is why I watch this channel. When you actually explain tech. But this video raises a whole load of questions: How do things work when you have multiple, dissimilar GPUs in a system? Now, I have always just assumed that "integrated GPUs" are simply ignored when a "real" GPU is installed. But how would one set up a system and configure various programs to make use of features of both of two "real" GPUs. How can I use an Nvidia card for most of my graphics work (productivity, artwork, 3-D rendering, animation video editing in Da Vinci Resolve (sorry, no games)), but then use an Intel Arc card only for AV1 encoding. I've been a computer guy since 1976. But I've never encountered this possibility. The rule has always been: "If you want multiple GPUs, you buy two identical ones and link them together. But also, what are the other possibilities? Can I use two different GPUs to be rendering a Blender 3-D scene on one, while using the second for editing a CAD file? Which card do I connect my monitor to? What if I have two or more monitors? Would I connect each monitor to a different GPU? Or both monitors to a "primary" GPU? Would I have to run Blender only on the monitor connected to the GPU where I render Blender scenes? You could do a whole series of videos on these questions.

[@kryptonitecb]

I waited a day but I don't see this video in the ltt forums so I'm going to say it here; thank you for putting this info out there. This is exactly my use case and while I know that most videos are "gaming" focused the AV1 encode/decode for a fraction of Nvidia hardware is awesome. Now we just need Plex/Linux support!

[@SaiyaRanGaming]

I have a 3060 that I use for gaming/streaming now, but I'm excited to see what AV1 does in the future.

[@SaiyaRanGaming]

@@pixels_per_inch I have an AMD CPU, but I'm looking to upgrade! I honestly just need better timeline scrub performance in DaVinci Resolve. 😅

[@Th3James]

I use a Quadro P2000 with my 3080 and have it for 2 of my screens and for rendering video. Works quite well and I love seeing my 3080 at 99% and 45% P2000. EDIT: Replayed video after enabling AV1, P2000 only uses 20% of that GPU. I'm impressed.

[@oienu]

I did the same on my PC, GTX1060 + K2000 but since the drivers for K are now no more updated I can't use them if I install the new version for the GTX, I don't remember which one was the last supporting both.

[@pdamasco]

Yep, I imagine in about 2 years it will be almost everywhere. Back with early CPU encoding-only tests I did years ago it was worse than h.265 but that was quite a while ago. Also the 0$ licensing is more important to large companies.

[@ligametis]

Nowadays people keep devices for longer. Old options will stay for many years to come.

[@NatesHomeTours]

As a creator I have tried hardware acceleration when encoding. My experience is that yes it is much faster but there is a down side. The files were almost 2x the size if the software encoded files. I use VSDC for editing my video's. That means that is takes almost 2x the time to upload to KZbin and 2x the time for KZbin to process the video before I can add my cards in the middle of the video and sett the end screens. As someone who still works a full time job and does KZbin that is not a feasible option, where some nights I'm up till 1am editing and uploading and scheduling the video

[@TankylyxD]

Im glad they build in the flash warning you dont got it easy as an epileptic :D Also very informative video xD

[@RC2225]

I really hope av1 will be used to improve image quality a bit on KZbin instead of just reducing the file size. Especially areas wehre blocking occurs like outdoor scenes etc. While i liked the idea of the video it has to be noted that this is only really needed if you want to encode. Decoding is supported in Nvidia 3000 and amd 6000 series and Intel 11th gen. Encoding will certainly added in newer iterations. Additionally HW Encoder are fixed. They work often in fixed resolutions were they are efficiently and only new hardware can improve it.

[@Mine18x]

That would be the case if YT doesn't reduce the bitrate of newer codecs, using YT-DLP you can see the bitrate of youtube videos at various qualities and more often than not VP9 and AV1 have lower bitrate than H264. e.g if a H264 480p video had a bitrate of 200 kbps, VP9 would have a bitrate of 150 kbps and AV1 would have a bitrate of 120 kbs, or something like that, I'm not giving a specific example.

[@jamiebuckley6425]

Be interested in seeing a video showing how to actually set up an arc gpu as a secondary GPU and any settings that would need to be altered

[@Addeatt]

Same. A more in-depth execution/explanation would be great.

[@jamiebuckley6425]

Exactly, would love to be able try and do this myself but not really sure how to go about it 🤣

[@account-1337]

Would love to see if A380 makes any sense in non-gaming environments pared with modern iGPU.

[@brendanturner4787]

it'a good at flying people around

[@____________________________.x]

3:12 Oh man, your editors get away with inserting such a lot of memes 😹 🤵🏿🤵🏿👱‍♀️🤵🏿🤵🏿

[@ctsd623]

@2:08 re: phones supporting av1 codecs, currently neither Qualcomm nor Apples's latest smartphone chips have hardware acceleration for av1, they're still relying on software decode in the cpu cores. Battery life isn't bad ;)

[@revelmonger]

Can lmg do a video showing how to run a system with 2 gpus? I don't really understand the concept and I feel like it could help alot of others out. I'm assuming you dedicate each gpu to run on certain processes.

[@festival3rocker]

came here to say this! The A750 went on sale (briefly) last week for $200 and by the time I noticed, rewatched this video, and looked around briefly to see how to do this, the sale was over - want to understand more before dropping $$$ on something I may not be able to use

[@muizzsiddique]

FYI, you showed the commands to encode AV1 in ffmpeg, of course it's going to look verbose. There were only like 2 settings on the video end. *Aomenc* is definitely verbose if you want to target a specific type of encode, but *Svt-Av1* is not and *Rav1e* shouldn't be as verbose either (I haven't tried it out yet).

[@sephirotic87]

yet the verbosity of av1 can't even compare to full arguments of x265. It does not have properly psy tuning settings. Which ends up making it inferior to x265 in most scenarios except extremely bitstarved video anyway.

[@Lighthouse_out_of_order]

@@_Clivey We don't know when they shoot this video. It may be before the easier stuff came out - if it came out so recently.

[@muizzsiddique]

@@sephirotic87 You should check out aom-av1-psy. The author BlueSwordM will eventually make a doc on how to use it, and I can't wait for that.

[@fredEVOIX]

thanks for all your work people ! reminds me of the early days of divx 3.11 ahahah I'm too old for this good luck

[@Lighthouse_out_of_order]

@@_Clivey Thanks. I didn't want to believe they are not proficient, but it seems I have to.

[@Toma-621]

This is exactly the idea I had for this card and I've been asking for this video from many youtubers. Thank you Linus 😩

[@Decenium]

Epox Vox?

[@Yothlan]

The "default" software encoder AV1 (libaom) is so slow on my macbook pro M1, I got only 60 frames 4K in an hour . Intel is definitely taking an interesting edge here!

[@RPGWAGamers]

I like how it says "INTO THE UNKNOW" on the box lmao

[@dorcasjohn7355]

I'm wondering if the improvement in bit rate and codex media processing can also be useful to music production by reducing cpu usage 😶

[@SanDiegoLAN]

We did something similar to un-do SLI'd 1080ti's a couple years ago, and replace the second card with a 1650oc to run the 2nd monitor, NVEC encoding for OBS, and phisx: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIO4got3o81mqbs because the cards weren't competing for air (different lengths) the computer ran a lot faster.

[@jsCP94]

This sounds great for my server PC, but i'm worried that it won't be utilized on older hardware. I have a 7700K on the server PC, and idk if you need to turn on ReBAR or newer CPU to use the A380 at all, let alone for just hardware encoding/transcoding.

[@O7O52OO59]

When He did that resolution thing it wasn’t effective at all… I was already in 480p. I love Linus’s vids. They are always informative and interesting. Thanks! Keep it up!

[@zetsun0]

Had no idea video encoding was this complex, thanks guys for all the amazing video, you're very underappreciated for all the free tech education you provide free of charge

[@cstalt]

For those wondering from the Patent/Licensing side of things, h.264/AVC was nice and cheap to license and available to everyone. The patent owners (who put their patents in to the MPEG Alliance patent pool) got greedy with 265/HEVC, since the vastly improved compression algos were estimated to save implementers like Netflix and KZbin absolute truckloads of money in CDN costs. This resulted in all sorts of drama and companies leaving to make their OWN licensing pools (with blackjack and hookers). End result was there are now 3/4 separate licensing pools all trying to take money from hardware vendors. Some companies got together and said 'eff it', we'll make our own FREE video standard! So now there is fragmentation between AV1 and h.265. Unfortunately, the "free" thing is a bit of a farce, as anyone who owns patents that cover AV1 tech (even by pure coincidence) can demand royalties from AV1 implementers. In fact, we are seeing just that, with multiple AV1 patent pools already up and running requesting royalties.

[@michelvanbriemen3459]

Ah, that explains why Twitch was able to do an AV1 stream test about 3-4 years ago and never repeated it. It ran shockingly well on my old i5-4670, so well that it seemed like a no-brainer to implement it site-wide and across the rest of the mainstream internet. License parasites huh... It's a real pity.

[@fireice2585]

I would love to see how these GPU do with AI upscale stuff compare to the other cards, but that is going to take time for the developers to implement them first

[@THB192]

Linus covered that in an earlier video and said the ARC upscaler was competitive.

[@pewburrito]

Topaz is utilizing AV1 hardware encoding in the next version of VEAI

[@TH3C001]

I’ve honestly already considered doing this, so I’m glad to see data showing it could be worthwhile. However, and as LTT touched on as well, the issues with Arc so far, are off putting. Until driver issues are smoothed out and bugs fixed I don’t think I’ll get an Arc card just for AV1. If I really need it I might wait for Radeon 7000 instead, as I don’t really look forward to introducing instability

[@jibreelhughes]

3:14 Nice to see the *cough cough* Piper Perri surrounded meme *cough cough*

[@kaldmigbenja]

I thought this was cap but this actually worked thanks man. Ima subscribe rn

[@JordonAM]

Been using dual GPU setup for a long while now. Have a RX 6800 for gaming and a GTX 1650 for recording/streaming. It's absolutely amazing. I've been watching the lower end of Intel Arc for a while seeing if I want to swap the 1650 out. I might just upgrade to a 2060 for better features like NVIDIA Broadcast but I do hope that Intel improves their cards in the future so I can cop one. 1080p120fps recording and 1440p60 recording is so much easier for me with that 1650 doing all the recording. My games are still extremely smooth

[@JordonAM]

@SoundwaveSinus9 That is...not what I was saying

[@Toastmaster_5000]

Intel has always had an edge with video transcoding. The A310 sounds like the more sensible option if you wanted a dedicated AV1 card.

[@TacticalTushie]

I wanted to see how it impacted gaming fps compared to using nvenc on your gaming gpu or using the cpu. Last I checked it was a bigger hit to fps using a second gpu to encode vs just sacrificing a little power that is already there.

[@apina_]

3:11 editors knew what they were doing

[@stelfzor]

leaving a comment purely because you said on WAN show that engagement was low on videos relating to streaming, and I wished you did more

[@DaveAlkema]

This is a really good idea, and something worth considering for me if Plex adds support. I pay for Plex as it is, so I get NVENC encoding, but AV1 looks promising.

[@acdbrn2000]

There may also be another side purpose as a primary GPU in a media center PC, especially if Intel or one of their partners makes a half height version (or other smaller variants).

[@wayland7150]

Yes a low profile card would be great.

[@03chrisv]

I'm a 3D modeler and photo/video editor first and a gamer a semi-distant second. I think the 16GB A770 is perfect for me, it has a lot of vram, only $350, and has good enough performance for me. With better drivers in the future it could be a viable 3070/6800 alternative for gaming.

[@smithjohn5217]

So knew this video was coming when they did the RTX4090 unboxing❤

[@RobotsOnFire]

Hey! Shout out Epos Vox!

[@Olav_Hansen]

If it's such a big deal, I am kinda expecting there to be specific av encoders reasonably soon that you can plug in. If those come out then it's going to be a 40 dollar upgrade rather then 140 most likely.

[@CoolJosh3k]

I’d love a really in depth video about how encoding while live streaming happens. Hosted by Riley of course! For example: how would it get the video frames from one card to the other and what does the CPU have to do?

[@ZeroUm_]

There are few videos out there talking about using a 2nd GPU for encoding for streaming, but in the case of ARC specifically, it's still super early days, nothing has proper support for it yet, never mind an user friendly one. Maybe in 6 months for an alpha build, to a year. Faster if Intel pays for it.

[@andromeda8418]

I have heard arguments against separate encoder GPU in same one system, reasons being "PCI-E and secondary GPU VRAM slowdowns". I have been thinking of using my old GTX1660S in that purpose. I have now AMD GPU so using that Nvidia encoder would make sense on those terms. Just wondering is could you make somekind of comparison between using 1 GPU for everything, 2 (non-AV1) GPUs in same system for gaming and streaming and 2 GPUs in separate systems (gaming and streaming PC's).

[@Hanneth]

Was I the only one that flashed back to Blizcon when he asked, "You're a gamer, aren't you? You already have a graphics card."

[@johndc7446]

It would be interesting to see which new GPUS perform better in h.264/h.265 video editing softwares like davinci and final cut. From budget, to mid range and top tiers.

[@qweasdzxc]

epos vox released a video today on this, includes 4090 and A770

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

If the cheapest Intel GPU is single-slot, that would be rather tempting since I have an AMD card, especially if it doesn't use a lot of juice. I might even connect a video capture device to offload some streaming rendering (in Windows, you have to put the Window on the monitor connected to the GPU to use the GPU)

[@neroz06m.20]

I haven't found any single slot arc GPUs

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

​@@neroz06m.20 I'm hoping, but the reports of Intel GPU efficiency is making it look not that possible.

[@zwenkwiel816]

Could this help with wireless VR streaming? Like have my 3080 render the game and then have an arc gpu to encode it with this fancy new av1 codec? Or would that just introduce more latency or something?

[@whithull5211]

I wish you guys could a make series on what kinds of hardware specs/drivers/architectures are best for SPECIFIC workloads. I know that your audience is mostly gaming oriented but even most of these "for creator" type videos only discuss workloads like streaming and video editing, with the occasional solidworks if Alex is nearby and feeling engineery. For example, I'm an architecture student, and we need very powerful computers with high end components for running real-time rendering software simultaneous to working on 3D models of entire building complexes in high detail. We also have to handle extremely large GIS datasets with complex ecological simulations. And we have to be able to do this on laptops since we spend basically a full work week in the studio, and most college students cant afford to have a high end laptop and high end desktop. A lot of the kids in my class got laptops going into architecture school because they were makerted at being great for productivity and for "creators", but those computers couldn't run required programs because they didn't have discrete GPU's. Most of the information regarding what specs architecture students look for that you find online is extremely outdated and misleading because they were published before modern rending and modeling architectures like ray-tracing even became available. It would be a real challenge for me figure out how and where AV1 would help in my workflow for that same reason.

[@pewburrito]

AV1 is a codec for video, not rendering, compositing, 3D, architecture, or ray tracing. There, now you know. Maybe ask the qualified professors and instructors at these schools what discrete video cards are best for their proprietary drafting and design software programs?

[@ShivamGupta-kq8mu]

eVGA X58 Motherboard Overview (Linus Tech Tips #3) that voice you made was awesome during those times....

[@janemba42]

I've been considering getting an Arc Gpu purely because i want to encourage intel.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

They are building two large fabs in the middle of Ohio, they need little encouragement!

[@Err0r1sH3re]

Just a newbie here, is it compatible with Ryzen CPU?

[@noobsito]

@@Err0r1sH3re 3000 and 5000

[@DracoRemixer]

That mindset is just stupid. Intel isn't some new startup, they are likely very deep down financially with Arc already and aren't going to bail even if they don't see sufficient returns on their investments within the first couple generations. They will throw money at Arc until it's on par or superior to competition, and at that point, people will buy them no matter what. They don't need any encouragement.

[@xPandamon]

Don't. The last thing Intel needs are pity sales.

[@Blaster_Unity_UB]

Linus's videos are so good that I don't even wanna miss a second.

[@spammsss222]

Yeah fr

[@xPandamon]

I wish. He didn't mention the idle draw once, something I'd say is important for secondary GPUs. It's 50 whopping Watts on the A770 and I think, the A380 too. That's way too much and nothing you'd want in your PC as a mostly idling card..

[@dalepeters3841]

I'd honestly been wondering about this to put into my server with it's gtx 560ti. That being said, for that same machine, would this improve anything with streaming h.265 movies via Plex. So far I've had only some hitches when streaming outside my local network, but I've always wondered how close to the edge I've been so far.

[@clockcycle]

Great info, love the sharing, appreciate it.

[@chellyman]

I see what you did there @ 3:09 😂

[@nuuttia]

0:40 , An A380?? The airbus?

[@ComicMelon]

Don't forget that using a separate GPU is strongly discouraged by the OBS project, it incurs a performance and stability hit.

[@Nautilus-v8p]

My Question is: it it possible to simply to get a 13th gen Intel CPU with integrated graphics so I can take advantege of its AV1 codec? for example, i9-13900k (with the graphics).

[@HazimWAE]

i think so

[@edwinscott6500]

You asked my very Question, so I'm going to ask it with you.

[@peter.c.]

11, 12, and 13 gen Core i CPUs have Xe based iGPUs (or Xe-LP) that can do hardware AV1 decode only, not encoding. Intel supports AV1 hardware encoding on Arc GPU (Xe-HPG) and later.

[@Nautilus-v8p]

@@peter.c. that sucks, really

[@DarthAwar]

Starting in 2023 all Intel CPU's will also Natively Support AV1 albeit much slower than a Discreet GPU but way faster than Software Based AV1 Encoding, AV1 Decoding is normally very simple it is the Bit Rate Reduction aka Encoding that takes all the power and time! AMD is said to bring it in mid to late 2023 CPU and GPU but who knows when or if we actually get it this year!

[@CodexHere]

Love how the tagline on the GPU box was "Into the Unknow" @6:57

[@IanZainea1990]

7:44 in the future if you do a comparison like this... do a diagonal split frame, with no border. Alternatively, you could do a difference to show the compression artifacts

[@Rohaq]

I'm super interested to see how these cards handle generating AI images through stable diffusion, if they can at all.