I BROKE MY NECK ON AN A-LINE PRO FEATURE. I NEED A NECK BRACE...

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@Destijl86 6 ай бұрын

Im just really glad that despite the injury you still have use of all of your limbs

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

Me three!

@LEGENDofBEANY 6 ай бұрын

Dude you seem like the nicest greatest human. I’m really happy you’re going to heal and recover. Thank you for sharing!

@rumblefishes 6 ай бұрын

Wore a neck brace, for DJ and DH, for a decade. Saved me from MANY sore necks and possibly worse. No fashion police ever said anything to me.

@ryanwest9267 5 ай бұрын

i think the leatt neck brace I was wearing really did cause my collarbone break just looking at its location - but that being said the dent in my helmet and brace told me it couldve been much worse than a collar bone - so i still definitely wear my neck brace lol, id rather break a collarbone than a neck

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@ryanwest9267 sorry about your collarbone. You would know but it’s very low probability to be a cause. If you put your arm out or had a sideway impact to the shoulder that’s far more likely to be a cause. If the helmet or object struck your collarbone the brace it would have protected it- providing it was setup correctly. A neck injury like mine is easy going but for sure you don’t want anything that damages a spinal cord over a collarbone.

@huckfin1598 5 ай бұрын

So your collarbone took brunt of hit over your neck and head.

@samsherwoodrides 5 ай бұрын

Glad you’re doing alright. I broke my neck 3.5 months ago. C7. I had to rest for 12 weeks, but I’m at the park now.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@samsherwoodrides what did you break on the c7? Did you have a brace? Any nerve issues?

@samsherwoodrides 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski it was a “teardrop fracture”. Some tingling in my left arm was the only nerve issues I had. It lasted about a month. I still have back pain from the crash, but no neck pain.

@samsherwoodrides 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski no brace

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@samsherwoodrides thanks! You got quite lucky with that. Pretty much the best outcome no brace just rest. After 12 weeks you’ll be pretty close to 100%. Nerves are weird for recovery tho could be gone tomorrow or never at all - I’ll talk about that next time. It sounds like you’ll likely make a full recovery. Will you wear a neck brace tho?

@tarahamm680 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video! Happy that your are going to be okay and still able to ride. Almost 10 years ago, I also got very lucky. Came off a drop that I wasn't prepared for and landed poorly. Ended up in a sitting position. My friends that were with me asked if I was okay. I said I think I broke my neck. Did not move it, but just did not feel right. Did every thing wrong after that though. Got up, tried to walk. Still about 3 miles out. Luckily, 3 people who had just finished a wilderness training course were eating lunch just below and realized what might be happening. One person pulled a neck brace out of his pack and put it on me. They talked to my friends and convinced them that I needed immediate help and I ended up being helicoptered out. Long story short, I actually did break my neck. I think I was ridiculously lucky. It ended up that I had broken my C2. It was a clean break that ended up needing no surgery. Wore a neck brace for about 5 months and was off work for about a year. I was 55 at the time. Now retired and nearly 64. Took some riding classes after that, ride more sensibly now, don't do much air, but ride much more technical features and I am much more aware of when I should walk a feature, or to give it a go. Not sure how long I can continue to keep riding like I am, but life is short and you need to enjoy every minute you have available. Thanks again and hope all is well in the future!

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Did you experience any numbness? It was lucky some people know what they were doing. I guess due to it being a clean break you didn’t need surgery. 5 months it’s a lot of time out, I’m surprised. You’ve got to do what you love doing within reason and risk. You just never know when the game will be up.

@tarahamm680 6 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski No numbness. Probably don't have quite the range of motion I had before the break, but it is pretty good. Tend to sleep without a pillow now.

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

@@tarahamm680 very sorry to hear that.

@iamkeir 5 ай бұрын

Glad you’re okay and thank you for spreading this message 🙏

@justsayin3600 5 ай бұрын

I'm going for my first big mountain ride in 3 weeks. I bought a neck brace a few days ago for this trip. I've crashed on a moto track and got life-flighted off. I always ride with protection. Glad you're walking!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like you had an insane accident. Glad you've got a neck brace a few days ago. Was that attributed to this video or did you buy it for the trip?

@lukepetersen6683 5 ай бұрын

My mate was racing the Crankworks DH in Cairns a few years ago - high speed crash on a fast section (the whoops before the long. low gap) and full scorpion. A lot of broken bones - the neck brace busted his collar bone for sure but without the neck brace he would be dead or paralysed. Carbon DH helmet also destroyed. Neck braces if you want to go hard and keep riding till you're ready for a zimmer frame.

@timeandmaterialsdanforth5511 6 ай бұрын

Sorry for bad injury.. A line ain't nothing to take lightly. You're not going super fast so doing a side line that increases your distance but lowers your lift is a recipe for disaster. You nailed it at the end in your breakdown on how to avoid this kinda crash..

@gabeasher187 5 ай бұрын

I hope for a fast recovery! Wearing a neck brace is great advice!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@gabeasher187 thanks for the kind words

@ryansteiger6960 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video. Godspeed on your recovery 😇

@aleixbartomeus4135 5 ай бұрын

Hi man, i'm glad you will heal ok. I've been riding bikes since i was a kid, bmx trails, street, park, race and raced some mtb dh over the years. I can say i have been very lucky after having some big crashes (i can humbly say that i've always ridden hard and fast taking big risks, specially with bmx freestyle) during the years and since a couple of months i started riding with a neck brace. I just woke up one day and thought about what could happen if luck runs out one day. Being paralyzed is not something i want for anybody in my loving circle to have to go through because of my own doing so i am way chiller now. For those wondering, go check some neck braces with your helmet so you can find something that fits well and straps that go under the arm pits go a long way on keeping that thing still (loose neck brace is the worst thing). Wish you a quick recovery and a good day to everybody!

@AlexOsh 6 ай бұрын

great tips and info, massive jump, heal quick!!!

@rubenvor 5 ай бұрын

I stopped wearing my Leatt neck brace for no reason, I'll be wearing from now on.

@jonathanwong-hv3xs 6 ай бұрын

appreciate you letting me know about the neck brace.

@flowstateofmind 5 ай бұрын

There's always been a discussion about this but I also prefer to wear one as it is so easy to get into a fall with the wrong way towards the ground. Especially because my neck is already quite long and I feel it really fills the gap without giving any hindrance. Just make sure you fit many helmets and find a right combination to fit. I found the Kali invader helmet and bell super DH to fit well with the leatt 4.5 neckbrace and I am sure many others will fit too. I am glad to see you made it out alive and well after such a crash!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@flowstateofmind thanks! I hope I’ve helped inform any negatives that don’t actually exist - EMS actions sports case study is a good 3rd party go to. Yes you are right the check it fits with certain helmets but the distances between the bottom of the helmet and brace needs to be setup correctly - check the manual for these.

@mellow2wild 2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this super informative vid! I am a big fan of safety gear...it saved me a couple of times. About 18 weeks ago I fractured my L1 vertebrae and that was with a high-quality back protector...The Spinal Dr made it very clear that without that protector, I would not have been able to walk again, so super lucky. Super stoked to have found your channel, thanks again! :)

@guymtbski 2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Wow that’s a nasty injury sorry about that. Thank goodness you were wearing a back protector. 1 injury every 66hours - it happens. I’ve worn a full vest for years I think it saved me here slightly but I never really looked at the neck braces. The talk at the moment is does a neck brace stop concussion - Chris Leatt is writing a PHD on that.

@patrick247two 6 ай бұрын

I knew I'd had a crash when my foot started flopping around.

@J-tu3hw 5 ай бұрын

Good luck on your recovery - just rode this at Crankworks a couple days ago.

@christianpeters6579 6 ай бұрын

That’s pretty nuts. Looking at it afterward it’s an insane line to take.

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s actually massive. Really misjudged that - always look. I know this but wasn’t thinking. Will make sure I do from now on.

@dadventuretv2538 5 ай бұрын

Glad you are doing Ok all things considered. Thanks so much for pointing out the study. I have stenosis in my neck from years of Rugby and thought about neck braces, but like you say then there are all the people saying they are bad. Cutting through all the bs and made up shit simply bc they think they’re not cool and need to justify their decision with actual facts is a huge help.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@dadventuretv2538 thanks for commenting the kind words. Sorry about your stenosis that does not sound fun. Non of us our perfect anymore, over time we are ruining our bodies merely by existing, and sometimes by doing stupid s… I think neck braces are quite cool lol. I’ll wear mine as a badge of honour. It’s a complicated topic that needs real time to think about. I read the 155 leatt white-paper, didn’t understand most of it but I got there. The case study was much easier. The issue is ‘the wisdom of crowds’ basically an informed crowd gets things extremely right but add something slightly uninformed they get things completely wrong. That’s what’s happened here is my bet. I’m stoked how well this video is doing to help spread awareness considering my small sub size. Many people are thinking about this now and I hope people can question opposing views.

@dadventuretv2538 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski best to you getting back in the saddle. I compound fractured my radius and ulna at 21 when I went OTB. Took a while to get my confidence back on steeps, endos etc. and the sound of a twig snapping turned my stomach for a while. So take your time and if there is uneasiness or hesitation when you get back on, just know it’s ok. Give it time and don’t rush it, it will come. 🤙

@rmacgregor9 6 ай бұрын

striking similarities to you.. I broke my neck 2 seasons back on July 1st with a compression fracture C6 as well....Had to wear that same collar for about 12 weeks. Post injury I sat dropper slammed and coasted a few hundred feet down the hill then sat out the rest of the day. I could not move either hand for like 30 seconds (that should of been the alarm bells to call patrol/backboard) instead i was Assuming I had pulled something up there I waited 3 days resting but it wasn't getting better much like you so in for a series of Xrays/CT/MRI to find out what the prognosis was a real eye opener. I still ride to this day as well with calculated risk (in theory). Regaurding riding neck braces I don't wear one most important for me personally was not wearing a cheap/heavy DH helmet my spinal surgeon suspected the cheaper heavy full-face acted like a big ol weight up there but i do agree a brace would of helped or prevented all together. maybe i should go shopping for one :) glad your okay stay strong if you hop back on the bike there is some mental hurdles awaiting you but if you have the passion you will not regret carrying on. Speedy healing and DONT RUSH IT.

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

@@rmacgregor9 thanks very much for sharing! Sounds like the same accident! Was your fracture like mine? Did you have any nerve issues? Did they go away? Any issues now? Any recommendations for healing? I’ve been told 6 weeks with the brace, it’s just over 4 weeks and I’m already done with the collar, but when I take it off nerve issues slowly come back. Completely agree on the helmet. I wore a fox proframe and replaced with a fox proframe rs. If you look at the accreditations these light weight helmets are actually higher spec than the full spec rampage helmets. Lighter is better for sure! Please consider a neck brace, if it happens again it’s all you’ll be thinking.

@rmacgregor9 6 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski yeah mine a blind send down a chute and didnt realize there was a sharp turn at the base blew over the top of a berm and caught my head on the go around lines berm. for the first 1-2 months i had sporatic issues where i got tingling in my fingers but that subsided as it got stronger your neck is pretty weak at this point being braced up for several weeks, does your neurosurgeon want you in physical therapy for strength this early 4 weeks seems really short assume your cleared by the DR though my vertebrea looked like a heart shape so it was fairly collapsed (not enough to halo/surgery luckily) i think the first time i took mine off was at 9 weeks which was after a specialist visit he advised that i remove in phases like going for a brisk walk or any chance of falling wear it for 3 more weeks. (that lasted about 1.5-2 more weeks before i ditched it) some gravel grinding and general strength building from PT then i started playing hockey at the 16 week mark, had a fairly reduced range of motion for maybe 1 year till i forced working on it specifically. no long term effects outside of it seems to be easier to sleep funny and be sore or stiffen up on a rainy day/get the odd headache related. i bought a neck massager that was a game changer but dont use that without physician direction its literally moving bones/muscles and structures around the break.

@rmacgregor9 6 ай бұрын

and yeah i will be grabbing a neck brace for shuttle days, 99% my riding is XC or trail riding (nova scotia)

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

@@rmacgregor9 it sounds like you had quite a roughy time! I did post my break CT at 3:20 wasn’t sure what you meant by heart shape? I don’t see the spinal people until 6 weeks mark but the ER doc suggested that would be it just 6 weeks. You’re the second person in the comment to say sleeping is an issue. Interesting you get stiff in the rain not ideal, especially for Vancouver living haha. It’s definitely gonna take me a while to move my head properly it’s very stiff.

@rmacgregor9 6 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski cant seem to find the xray photo mines, tons of photos with the brace on lol. it was a side shot and it tapers down (the bone was crushed/collapsed a bit on one side) looked like a heart hard to explain sorry. all in all i am very happy with the outcome millimeters from life changing just take it easy and stick to the plan from the doctors and dont do anything to jepordize long term health :)

@patrickhaarhues2870 5 ай бұрын

Scary. Glad you’re ok. Will always wear proper gear and pre run trails and features.

@russbowerschannel449 5 ай бұрын

Wishing you a speedy recovery

@digvt 5 ай бұрын

I'll never understand why neck braces are out of fashion at the moment in mountain biking. Yes, very occasionally I knock the chin bar into it while jumping and sighting the landing, but it's not like I needed to rotate my head that far forward to begin with. (I've heard the lack of head mobility as a reason against them so figured I'd dispel it.) Might as well have the piece of mind of reduced risk of severe injury even if unlikely. The Leatt system is pretty nice since it's one of few that pairs nicely with a chest/ back protector which is also definitely a worthwhile piece of protection kit.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure they are out of fashion per say I just don't think people understand how beneficial they are. I certainly didn't know how good they were which is why I never even thought about one.

@celticsone_ 5 ай бұрын

mtb risks are substantially higher when getting airborne. its fine if keeping both wheels on the ground imo

@hdcbhgzu7479 5 ай бұрын

But jumping is where all the fun is

@celticsone_ 5 ай бұрын

@@hdcbhgzu7479 yes lol

@AP-vp8fy 5 ай бұрын

I did this same injury c6 cracked in 3 places - walked away, we are the lucky ones. But note that your neck muscles will atrophy in the brace so that you look like a goose for a while - get ready for some serious PT to recover (like 12 months 2x a week full body core). Good luck dude!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@AP-vp8fy thanks for commenting. Haha a goose LOL. Brace was off 2 weeks ago. Feeling very weak but nerve pain is basically zero now thankfully.

@TonightWeGrill 6 ай бұрын

Broke collarbone few days ago. This is just the video I wanted to see!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that! What happened?

@TonightWeGrill 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski I was out by myself on my hardtail, been riding about 2 months. Hit some trails at baker creek preserve in Knoxville, which I’ve done many times. But I hit my first black diamond trail called Murray’s law. I nailed it and was stoked. Decided to call it a day and head back to the truck. On the last stretch of the easiest trail there called sycamore loop, my tire slid out from under me on a flat curve and I smashed my shoulder. Broke my collar bone. Today is day 3 after surgery. 6 months off the bike before being back at 100% has me so bummed. I can only tell myself that it was a good thing it happened, so that I wouldn’t get too big for my britches and start hitting black diamond trails more and breaking my neck. Still sucks though. From now on I’ll be wearing a Leatt protector including the shoulder pads. And I’m going to have a neck brace for the new trails I hit that are black diamond or super steep.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@TonightWeGrill oh man that’s rough, sorry it’s going to be such a long recovery! It’s always the ‘last run’ lol. I’ve banned saying those exact words. Glad to hear you’re looking at more protection. POC do level 1 amour which our quite comfortable but not as protective as the leatt body stuff (both level 1 & 2 for chest and back)

@chargeriderepeat7024 6 ай бұрын

Always think about your neck, my friend broke his OTB and ended up semi paralysed, lost job girlfriend house and eventualky his life to his own hands.

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

@@chargeriderepeat7024 I’m soo sorry to hear that. It sounds devastating, and all from one OTB. I do hope people will consider a neck brace. It’s not 100% effective and you’ve got to reduce risk but it could be the difference.

@djromanj 5 ай бұрын

wishing you a speedy recover bro

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Thanks very much :)

@hongjiang3601 5 ай бұрын

my mountain biking physician friend explained to me 1 thing. it does not matter how good your technique, skill is or how much you analyze your mistake because the next crash site is always different from this one. for sake of argument=> lesser experienced mtb'er, means big injury 1 out of 100 jumps/hops/drops, better skills mean big crash 1 out of few hundred repetition. it is unavoidable statistics for enduro, or all mountain mtb. biking.( not for XC). To put this in better perspective, 96% of motorcyclists my doctor friend encountered had severe crash injuries. it is inherited risk with 30-80 mph on a bike among moving cars but on flat asphalt. but enduro or all mtn biking is just as bad because mtb is zooming around 20-40 mph around drops, obstacles with unpredictable uneven soil/terrain conditions. wish you the best recovery.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting! The main mistake I made was two fold; not looking and attempting something big early season. I didn't really want to analyze the feature just drill in the two mistakes. 1/100 jump is probably close to the 66.6hrs exposure to 1 injury I quoted at the start, which is very relatable. I really like what you said about motorbikes being on asphalt and mtb having many obstacles. So despite the lower speeds the obstacles make things equally as bad. I'm going to use this when preaching safety equipment to the next pair of gym pants.

@KtunaxaMTB 5 ай бұрын

I just watched this and it made me bite the bullet on a Leatt neck brace and armour. I have kids and last thing I’d want is to not be able to walk to enjoy my life with my children.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@KtunaxaMTB thanks for sharing. This is why I made the video as I think a lot of people, like myself pre break, haven’t really thought about the pros and uninformed ‘cons’.

@DerTim930 5 ай бұрын

I wonder if there is a difference in HOW you wear a neckbrace. Some people say you should wear it with a chest and backprotector, some say you don't need to. This has kept me from wearing one all along because I feel like a chest and back protector + neckbrace is ristricting my movement to the point I feel like I'm more likely to crash. A neckbrace alone with the fullface helmet etc. would be fine for me, yet I am not sure if its good that part of the energy might be absorbed by your upper back (which could be absorbed by the back protector). Very glad to see you walking and talking about getting back to riding! Cheers from germany

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@DerTim930 you 100% do not need to also wear a chest or back brace that is nonsense. Get the 5.5+ and adjust. There is an ‘optimal effective’ level of height you must keep within these limits. In short if you have no movement you’ll more likely to get a head injury if you have too much movement a neck injury. You need to be in the optimal range. This is hard for me to explain but it’s between (50mm-130mm between bottom chin on helmet and brace 50mm - 150mm bottom helmet and back brace). If that makes sense you could see what that would feel like - maybe check manual for the 5.5 page 5. You do 100% need to wear a full face. You look like a sender so please consider this. It is awful if something happens and you are in the hospital thinking what if. Please note the worse case of a spinal injury is very very unlikely, I’m not here to spread fear but I wish I wore one so could ride right now.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@DerTim930 the neck braces will help your back even without armour I show this in 7:18 but please read up

@DerTim930 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski Thank you so much for this reply!! I will actually make use of the neckbrace I own now! I also don't like to be afraid of something like this so I usually don't watch these kinds of videos. But being paralysed is actually one of my biggest fears because it is somewhat realistic that it happens, even if it is unlikely, chances are never zero and in this sport higher than others (your case!). So I thank you very much, and as you can see, your videos can have an actual effect on people (such as me considering to ride with a neckbrace)!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@DerTim930 thanks for the kind response. It does mean a lot that you and others are thinking about it. If all my videos go to zero and this succeed, that’s great. Like I mentioned in the video when this stuff happens and your doctor is phoning a spinal surgeon all you do is think ‘what if’. It would be nice at the time to know I’ve done everything but I hadn’t - no neck brace. Please also consider the safety accreditation on your helmet. My Proframe RS has more accreditation than the ‘DH’ Rampage, go figure… Brains and spinal cords are kinda the most important to protect. Please share this with intel rider friends, quote the studies and try to inform. Oh and make sure you measure out the leatt brace adjustments properly.

@DerTim930 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski I agree with everything you said, I'll also let my riding buddies know!

@mxdave 2 ай бұрын

I wear the 6.5 brace and love it. At least if you have a big neck injury you know you have done all you can vs thinking what if.

@guymtbski 2 ай бұрын

@@mxdave yeah 100%. Atlas braces are probably better longer term. I’ll wear their air brace next season. I made a video comparing the two.

@Coolcmsc 5 ай бұрын

Thanks and, first, soooo glad you’re OK. I have had my neck fused at C5 and ride hard and am also a medical doc able to review clinical papers such as the one you quote. I’m also qualified to review critical appraisals of such papers. Due to self interest, I undertook exactly the same assessment as you have and was lucky enough to use my skills as a medical journal reviewer of a well known medical journal. And here are my conclusions to consider alongside yours. Stay still until somebody can stabilise your neck. Go and get a possible neck injury reviewed pronto. You said both these. Firstly, there is no definitive evidence that a neck brace is dangerous. It may be and perhaps it isn’t. We just don’t know. Secondly, there has never been a controlled study of sufficient ‘power’ to settle this debate, which is a shame of course, but in fact it would be almost impossible. The study you quote is an observational study with little control and the observers (the EMS techs) did not have a suitable protocol to follow to be able to draw the conclusions many have done from this study. Thirdly, at least we have this study which is food for thought and should not be dismissed. It covers a lot of what needs to be considered, but neglects the impact of rider skill, the exact nature of the mode of injury, rider fitness and fatigue and lastly it takes almost no account of the other safety equipment and care taken by each rider. And it was nowhere near large enough as an observational study to say, ‘No, that’s not correct, just look how big the differences are between the two groups (neck brace/no neck brace)”. It’s so tempting to draw that conclusion: visually the figures are compelling! But, sadly, it simply isn’t a big enough study to say that, given its methodology. Fourthly, it does seem wise to wear a neck brace doesn’t it? But remember, two things:- 1. Practice riding within your ability wearing it until you are completely certain what your new limits are wearing it, especially when tired or ‘on the edge’. Without a doubt it diminishes our ability to ride ‘At the limit’. And, when I was younger I’ll admit that when I put on a full face for the first time, I took more risks…. This doesn’t matter to us sensible people who would never do that, obvz,- but hey, look at the decision you took and you seem very sensible… And this is the reason DH UCI racers give for not wearing them: they occasionally have to ride at the limit and there are other injuries that can be fatal or devastatingly life changing lower in the spine (yes I know what the paper says about that, but I’ve explained that conclusion simply can’t be safely formed from the data presented in the study), the liver, spleen, the pancreas, and the head. 2. Get one that fits. This is not easy. Not at all easy. It simply must fit correctly to bring benefit rather than bring risk and benefit. Are you going to attach it to your chest/back protector? Do you know if it’s safer or less safe to do that? How would you do that? Buying a ‘set’ is an expense some might fight shy of (don’t!). The thing is, its not like its possible to go into a store and try on all the options from the quite large range of manufacturers and having an expert fit it to you, to your helmet and to your chest/back protector (by fit I mean integrating together safely rather than creating a leaver that actually increases the chance of cord damage). Perhaps there are one or two retailers in the US that offer this, but to the best of my knowledge many are bought on-line or the only thing in the LBS is bought through frustration and then immediately worn and so can’t be returned. My opinion is that many of those who have set aside a purchased brace have done so for this reason - so that’s complicated. So, thanks for this. I, like you, can powerfully relate to the apparent benefit from the EMS study and would encourage anybody who wishes to get one. But please do so recognising that the data isn’t there and may never be (Becuase the necessary study will not only never be funded, but is effectively impossible) and, above all, get the correct fit and get used to it at the extreme of your competency if that’s the direction you go. Obviously, it’s completely irrelevant what I chose to do. This is a personal decision because it’s so subjective. So, I don’t want to influence anybody by my choice, just my understanding of the science and the sport as a shredding medic.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Sorry about your C5 injury, sounded really bad. If you're interested could you find me on Instagram so I can send you a few bits like the Atlas's study - I'm trying to get my head around this. Very different not done by a computer models like Leatt. The high profile lawsuits on Leatt for broken lower backs ended up favoring Leatt, doesn't say too much but yes there are no proper studies minus EMS. As you know unrestricted neck braces aren't like helmets they aren't required to go through testing. If you're open to the idea it would be nice to have a discussion and perhaps we could prerecord it.

@WiscoMTB37 5 ай бұрын

I bet if you had a tow in it would have been fine. Big hidden gaps always sketch me out with out a tow. Like you said it’s just not worth it usually

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@WiscoMTB37 for sure but it’s full speed with a pump, a soft takeoff, big hop and super high risk. The outcome isn’t that impressive. On the quiet many people have fallen on this. I’ll give it a miss now

@SnootchieBootchies27 5 ай бұрын

I stopped wearing my Leatt years ago. I also stopped hitting super sketchy gaps.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

How come you stopped wearing one? My super sketchy gaps have definitely come to an end...

@SnootchieBootchies27 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski i found it quite cumbersome, especially when trying to look up/farther ahead off a steep pitch to where it flattens out. I decided I could manage the risk better by being smart about where and when I hit certain features, and by maintaining my bikes to a very high standard. Basically I went back to a mentality where I'm really planning on success, not preparing for failure.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@SnootchieBootchies27 I’ll have to see what it’s like. I’m hoping the adjustability on the 5.5 will help. Managing risk is going to make a difference but like I found out easy to say that but hard to do. I get over excited and that’s it…

@brandonburns9657 5 ай бұрын

I've always thought to myself I should weak a neck brace at the bike park, but I keep saying "nah its overkill, its a hassle, its not stylish." Not anymore, I'm going to get a Leatt neck brace. Not worth a devastating cervical spine injury.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@brandonburns9657 good to hear! It might save a break like mine and 8 weeks and counting off... Like I said, the moment something happens and the doctor is on the phone to a spinal surgeon all you will be thinking is what if. Might feel overkill but I’d never thought this would happen to me as I always ride within my limits. But all it takes is a few seconds of over excitement and not thinking then BAM.

@taylordarion3477 5 ай бұрын

I wish i could try on a neck brace while riding. I feel like the price is very high for an item that i might find si uncomfortable i will not wear

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@taylordarion3477 yes they are expensive but there’s a lot of research involved. The used market is less than half the price and these aren’t like helmets - they don’t crack they flex so used will be fine. If you see someone wearing one ask them if you can try it on for a lap. Remember you’re wearing this for a very unlikely but worse case scenario. If you have a neck injury and the doctor is phoning a spinal surgeon I can tell you from experience all you’ll be thinking is ‘what if…’. Please think about helmets as well that makes a difference - is your helmet got all the accreditation for dh

@thargor6750 5 ай бұрын

The crash i had the Leatt blew my collarbone into 4 pieces. Not sure if id have been fine or worse without it.

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

Sorry about your collar that sounds nasty! Can you explain to me in some details how you crashed?

@thargor6750 5 ай бұрын

@guymtbski I got ejected off the front of my bike off the trail and flew into a large tree. High-speed tree hugging and the brace popped the bone into bits. I do feel that without it I would have walked away, but I wouldn't want to simulate the same situation again to find out!!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@thargor6750 oh shit so it was a direct tree impact to the collar bone? That’s a shit load of force to break that way

@masterthelens 6 ай бұрын

Not sure if I missed this, but did you check it out and do a test run into it before trying it? Speedy recovery.

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! No I didn’t. I literally had a moment of madness and thought from instagram it was easy enough to just hit. Over excitement took over and stop me thinking.

@masterthelens 6 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski Totally understand. I get over excited in the bike park as it so fun I have hold my self back.

@DoggyDoge256 4 ай бұрын

My dad fractured his neck biking three weeks ago also

@guymtbski 4 ай бұрын

Oh damn, is he okay?

@nobutakaseki812 5 ай бұрын

I remember 3 weeks ago zone 3 was closed due to a guy crashing

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

After I crashed someone said I was the second person they say that day crashing on that feature.

@LiamCook29 5 ай бұрын

the thing is, I wear a chest&back protector and wearing that AND the neck brace is soooo uncofortable. You think I should go neck brace only or protector only?? both isn’t an option for me personally…

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@LiamCook29 difficult as in injury terms you’re more likely to hit your back. But if the worse comes to it you want to protect the spine. What’s specially is uncomfortable on the neck brace? Can you adjust it down but keep within the limits it needs to protect?

@DanLinFors 5 ай бұрын

Not sure if you have a correct fit? I wear a Leatt vest combined with a Leatt brace and it feels very comfy. Only instance I will notice it is really rowdy steeps where occasionally I might bang the helmet against the brace. But I'll take that for the added safety as I have kids and other responsibilities.

@therealridedmc 6 ай бұрын

Question for you & anyone else who has a neck brace - is it park only attire or will you wear it everywhere and every ride?

@guymtbski 6 ай бұрын

@@therealridedmc for me I’ll be neck 100% brace for all riding this year. Next year 100% park and when I’m doing anything black on the trails+ see how that goes. Ideally you wear one with a full face.

@nightfade2052 5 ай бұрын

The collarbone statistics are skewed right? Less collarbone injuries have happened with people who wear neckbrace but the amount of people aho wear neckbraces is alot lower than people who do. So the collarbone injury to neckbrace wearer ratio is higher for people wearing neckbraces than not. Tldr: neck braces do not protect your collarbone. Or am i thinking of it in the wrong way? The same would apply for the other statistics aswell

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@nightfade2052 fair point. I don’t know how they got to 45% - I’m going to email and ask. I ran the numbers myself just now and get 22% which considers proportions. The EMS study seems quite independent so I assume the best intentions. The trouble is you can’t have exactly the same falls with the same people with and without so it is going to be speculative. I am bought into the benefits as the neck braces can protect from direct impact from helmets or a branch to the collarbone - it sits above it. You can’t do anything with hand or sideways impacts.

@nightfade2052 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbskiexactly, I believe that they had the best intentions and I believe that neckbraces help. (I wear one myself). But it is also fun to scrutinize and apply things that I have learned in statistics courses in real life :)

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@nightfade2052 I have actually emailed them - I'll let you know if they come back.

@nightfade2052 5 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski Great, Thanks!

@NoCarNancy 5 ай бұрын

Cousin of mine had an accident and had to wear a cage 😢

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@NoCarNancy goodness that’s must have been a hell of an accident

@aspiringastronaut9992 5 ай бұрын

Dude…ouch. That’s a long distance!

@guymtbski 5 ай бұрын

@@aspiringastronaut9992 yeah super dumb thing to hit blind but we all make mistakes I guess…

@joeshawcroft7121 4 ай бұрын

Heal up quick! scary stuff.

@andrewdavies6372 2 ай бұрын

Apart from a helmet, was you wearing any other protection?

@guymtbski 2 ай бұрын

@@andrewdavies6372 everything but neck brace. Had a POC spine VPD 2.0 jacket. Think that actually helped my neck as it comes up quite high on the back - could have slowed the hyper extension

@andrewdavies6372 2 ай бұрын

@@guymtbski thanks for the response. These neck and back injuries from mountain biking are terrifying. Yours was the 2nd video i saw today from whistler resulting in one of those injuries with the other ending up in a wheel chair. Really good to see you’re on the mend!

@guymtbski 2 ай бұрын

@@andrewdavies6372 mountain biking, especially in bike parks, is actually insanely dangerous. I have the best of everything for safety, head to toe, these accidents just unfortunately happen. Like I quoted at the start 1 injury for 66hours of exposure. My main regret was not even thinking about a neck brace. Hence the video. It would have saved me 3 months off. The other points help. I had a moment of madness and got excited. Checkout the neck brace review I did. Consider helmet accreditation as well - see my sun peaks videos that guy concussed said he was about to buy a new helmet but didn’t… We are playing stupid games so expect stupid prizes. Unfortunately life has to be on the extreme side for me. It’s now a game of risk mitigation and accepting consequences.