I Built a Short Track That Requires MATH to WIN!

[@altaem9152]

"I'm not going to give away anything" "n is the jump number". Well done. You managed to not spill the secret for 50 seconds. That's like a thousand years in Kan time.

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

Actually it was more like 15 seconds. Lol

[@Zachafinackus]

"I'm not going to give away too much." "N is the jump number" lol

[@Prestiged_peck]

He shoulda put signs next to the jumps

[@roccov3614]

I think he had to say N is the jump number because it's not obvious. He wants people to do some math, not figure out a puzzle. I looked at the formula and thought "How am I supposed to work out n if I don't know what the formula equals?" So I would probably never have figured it out.

[@Cyberlong]

@@roccov3614 i tought i had to plug it in the cuadratic equation lol

[@Pandorarl]

@@Cyberlong it’s not even squared lol

[@Cyberlong]

@@Pandorarl bruh, that's just factorized. That's clearly -20n ² + 120n. Lol

[@justafoon]

I honestly understand you kAN. You want your friends to have a chance, but you don't want them to get mad. You'll find the balance of mean to nice.

[@tofuholland6145]

honestly go with the valefisk method of activley torturing your friends

[@LordDragox412]

But that leads to him being nice to his friends, but not to the rest of the lobby :P

[@MmeHyraelle]

The struggle of many game devs ; balancing hardship with rewards.

[@LeGiT_AuTiSm]

Nah bro have you played his tracks? The people in the lobbies are straight G’s some of them are basically impossible

[@nehpestthefirst]

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[@chrisduplooy4639]

When the beach dude and the nerd hang out XD

[@asphaltdragon514]

"People were complaining I gave away too much last time" Proceeds to give everything away ten seconds later

[@Gpz0]

02:47 kAN: I'm not going explain anything to anyone. 04:29 kAN: People were complaining last time I gave away too much stuff 04:42 Yannic: I don't know what "n" is. kAN: "n" is the jump number. ... dang it kAN. lol

[@Naomi_Boyd]

Theme idea: Minimalist See who can make the best track with as few pieces as possible, like just a start right beside the finish but with a max booster that shoots you out into a solid field of ice at 200 kph. Also, I'm totally not suggesting this just because my computer is crap and needs new RAM. 😅

[@caseym6272]

KAN already kinda did this in one of his videos. Where everything was GIANT and he only used like 56 pieces or something.

[@GarandressGaming]

I think if the map was named something like "Formula for Success" or "Fast Math" or "Math n' Jumps", would have given people a clue to the importance of the formula without having to reveal much. The downside (and upside) is the track can be brute forced with some trial and error so catching on to the importance of the formula isn't super important, so I think you could have let them suffer a little longer before you gave out the secret. Either way, another fun video, and thanks for making the content! :)

[@sairadinnmichaelis]

Math n' jumps may be the perfect name.

[@HypeFlexington]

Quick mafs. 2+2 is 4 minus 1 that's 3

[@LutraLovegood]

"Formula for Success" is such a good one

[@kingbling6695]

YESSSSS IM SO HAPPY THAT SCRAPMAN IS JOINING YOU I HOPE HE CONTINUES TO I LOVE WHEN U GUYS COLLAB AND IVE MISSED IT

[@korrosion420]

Same here.. was surprised to hear sm voice and had to come straight to the comments lol

[@AAxolotl1]

Just putting n in an equation with no explanation is like putting a hazard sign on the road with no symbol, it means something, but you gotta guess what it means and hope you're right.

[@gengarisnotinsmash...]

You really should have added the =x at the end of the expression. I was initially thinking you were solving for n and wondering how it was possible without a number the expression was equal too, adding the =x would show you are solving for x and make people think about what n could be, and make it more intuitive that it's the jump number.

[@hackmenotplease]

true but it should be n=

[@gengarisnotinsmash...]

@@hackmenotplease you are right that it should be x=, but not n. N was already the number of jumps, but you are solving for the needed speed on those jumps, which needs a separate variable. X is most commonly used as the number you are trying to solve for, but any symbol would work provided it wasn't n.

[@awol_b]

@@hackmenotplease that literally removes the whole point of the entire thing

[@Null8fuenf10]

@@gengarisnotinsmash... v(elocity) or Vn would've been the most logical symbol I'd say. Also while n is usually the variable for number of times, number of times of what isn't clear, and maybe calling the variable J or having any reference like colors or an n next to the jumps or the map name could've helped.

[@Queue3612]

Yes this too, and leaving x as just that so people have to figure out that x is speed would add a good puzzle element to this. but leaving n unknown is bad, noone would reasonably be able to figure out it was the jump number, esspecially when they are already on a time limit

[@bogogaming7736]

Kan @ 4:33 - “I’m not gonna give anything away” Kan @ 4:45 - “n is the jump number”

[@Cerulean_Frost]

It's been like 10 years since my last math class so I have forgotten most of it, but the urge to finish off an equation with =0 to solve it still lingers..

[@matt-j6q]

I’d probably make it J instead of N, since it stands for jump as when I played I was like, “what does n stand for??”

[@Dubanx]

The issue is that the fact that "N" was jump number is not obvious at all. If you had labeled them "Jump 1, Jump 2, Jump 3" it might have been solvable, but no one is going to think that otherwise.

[@Hexagonaldonut]

Going with J as the variable might've also worked; while x/y/z and n are very standard variables to go with, sometimes it's best to go with the one most relevant.

[@lordofleviathans8432]

You can't blame people for not getting it. If you never say what n is, then there's no way to solve the equation

[@jakesnakemate2929]

it would have cleared things up a lot to put at least a hint as to what n was, because i didnt know what n was meant to represent until you explained it

[@juky7650]

I love when kan brings in new people, its always fun to have new players 👍

[@CamronJK]

I think the only change I would have made is the levels title. Name is maybe N=Jump to give people that little bit extra.

[@kaiser64]

Loved playing these levels with you guys, hearing Kosmo say my name with such venom when I beat his time :D

[@anteshell]

The math formula was basic but not the value of n. Not many people know n is commonly used to denote counts or subsequent number placement on a list. As someone said in the chat, you should've stated it somewhere. A track name n = jumps could have been nice or maybe just alongside the equation. Or maybe a bit more obscure but still obvious, signs on the side of each jump denoting their numbers: 1, 2 and 3.

[@Dubanx]

Even just labeling the jumps "Jump 1", "Jump 2", and "Jump 3" would have been something.

[@186scott]

I hope scrapman makes a track on zeepkist with Kan, kosmo and dapper but I can see his tracks being complicated every time

[@Thagrynor]

He did make one for this round. It was a rather cool design, imo. You should go check his channel.

[@186scott]

@@Thagrynor i noticed it after I put the comment but would be good if he joined them in the track building every time tho and for someone to make a track where crashing on purpose make you faster is cleaver

[@Thagrynor]

@@186scott totally agree. I love Multiplayer Mondays with all the guys. More collabs are awesome and always welcome. 😀

[@humanworld2695]

When I first saw the maths I was confused. Cause I expanded the brackets.

[@MrMattkid]

So many people were confused by n, for all the not math people, n is a variable that represents the number of a thing. So each of an object is the nth object. It's a universal iteration variable, you'll see n used in science maths, especially in more complex maths. Good luck with your future endeavors in maths. 👍

[@F_A_F123]

n commonly represents just a natural number

[@GummieI]

Would probably have made more sense to use j (for jump) in this case though

[@F_A_F123]

@@GummieI no, it would make sense to write: n = jump №

[@NeedaNewAlias]

N is the 13th letter, so this is what they have to calculate!

[@afoxwithahat7846]

@@GummieI it wouldn't make sense to call it universal if you use one letter for every possible case, lol.

[@jameslockridge7086]

Theme idea: Gas! Gas! Gas! The idea is to create a map that requires you to go as fast as humanly possible without losing control.

[@HadesKing-Fenrir]

Idea do a mythology theme where you pick a mythology and build a 1-3 min track in that mythology ex. Chinese,Greek,Norse etc.

[@garand70]

I thought I was joking when I commented on Dapper's puzzle/deception track video if they said wedges too many times, Scrapman would appear...

[@Zequax]

love how kan tries to impliment math but forget how that works you cant solve it without knowing what N is and its not proper implied

[@Krebzonide]

the confusing part wasn't the formula, it was figuring out what n is supposed to be

[@Arktik1st]

“I won’t give away anything this time” **7 seconds later** “n is the jump number”

[@awol_b]

I think you can cheese the first two jumps (the maths at least). If you jump to the right, then you dont have to be going the right speed since qyou are landing on effectively a longer section of track from the jump, so you can go faster

[@Juke-Fox]

That equation could be simplified quite easily. 20n * 6 = 120n, and 20n * -n = -20n², so 20n(6-n) = 120n-20n². Highschool math is trapping my mind in a prison of my own thoughts.

[@modothegreat108]

That would require people to calculate square numbers though, which people inexplicably struggle with.

[@hhaavvvvii]

I would definitely say that Kan's form is easier to calculate than your form. Polynomial equations are easier to calculate for us humans when they in Kan's form than in your form.

[@Dubanx]

@@modothegreat108 Using the simplified equation is harder to do off your head than just plugging the numbers into the original equation and calculating them as is. The real issue, though, is the fact that N=Jump number is not at all obvious.

[@palfly1864]

3 wheeling tracks would be amazing. I have a mechanism that can remove one with like 80% success rate

[@kholdanstaalstorm6881]

I'm so excited that ScrapMan is getting into Zeepkist! An attempt was made kAN, but this was actually too long.

[@ColinTimmins]

That was really cool. I loved the tolerance on that one. Forgiving enough but not enough if you couldn’t do math. lol

[@roodlaargo]

1:04 Kan rly thinks im abel to do math🤣

[@revolvingdragon164]

HE HAS ARRIVED, SCRAPMAN HAS JOINED THE GAME!!!

[@Zandirian]

I figured out this track the same way I got through university.. trial and error and brute force

[@GummieI]

Should have used j for the variable, you know for "jump" ;)

[@dukeofkrondor9237]

kAN, the video thumbnail is actually a quadratic formula (in turning point form). I graphed it, and there are two solutions (it's a quadratic, so two solutions when y=0), which is n=6 and n=0. The vertex is at (3,180), and is a minimum (because a is negative, and yes, I know that makes no sense in turning point form). There's your maths for the day.

[@Brad_Q1999]

theme or next week should be big brain themed. Math, perfect apexes, and calculations

[@smarty265]

You should have put n=1, n=2, n=3 on each jump to make it more obvious that n is the jump number.

[@roccov3614]

That's a good idea.

[@modothegreat108]

I think signs saying “jump 1” through 3 could also be enough to clue people in that those numbers matter. kAN probably didn’t have to spell it out entirely, but the map could have used at least some more context/hints to help people understand what they were supposed to do.

[@TheTechDragonChannel]

track idea: forest slalom, downhill track filled with trees you have to find your way through to the bottom. (or flat with boosters stread through).

[@fredrikharaldsson]

Could have a "Break" theme. I like the fact that you can make the jumps fairly easily but optimize your time by braking late!

[@martinbacon5920]

Theme idea - One Chance! An easy but long track that takes 5 minutes to complete with only 8 minutes to play (for instance), so there's only time to finish once.

[@Nishye501]

“It’s only rocket science”

[@Blurayfurygaming]

8:47 killo be like: BRO IM DOING CALCULUS NEXT YEAR THIS DOESN'T BOAD WELL Honestly me too but this is an easy equation

[@modothegreat108]

The tricky part was figuring out the way to apply the formula. Once Killo learned he was supposed to plug the jump number for N, he was fine.

[@drmetheus4746]

theme idea: Sudden "occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning."

[@Dusto9]

Kan, at 4:35 "People were complaining last time i gave away too much stuff so i'm not giving away anything" Kan, literally 10 seconds later: "N is the jump number" I get that you're excited to show the stuff that you made but you have to stop spoiling the trick so damn quickly! You always ruin any chance of a genuine response from your friends when they figure it out by themselves. Give them TIME to at least try the track a couple of times before telling them the solution!

[@Unknown-vr5dc]

6:20 kosmo (/

[@alkaliwreck2474]

I love how this shows the failure of the mass education system. One player's even like "60n^2+120n" No, my friend, it resolves to 120n-20n^2; not that this would help someone with an order of operations error

[@GameBoy-ep7de]

I'm in the middle of calculus, saw the equation and simplified it to 120n -20n^2 in a moment, and then wondered what is the limit of the function as n -> 3-.

[@deannaparr9448]

6:24 in chat

[@vinyak123rohatgi]

good luck killo on his calculus next year

[@Neon_Orange56]

Great vid as always kan!

[@_miobrot_603]

I think you should do a cubic equation next, then maybe throw in some complex numbers or quaternions, and EVEN MAYBE... include the Fibonacci Sequence! Love the content brauh, was fun to see the education system working at its finest keep up the videos!

[@Poldovico]

Ah, yes, quaternions. The math concept so complicated that Lord Kelvin called it an "unmixed evil".

[@sonnybean5314]

I did not want to take math class again

[@consistscrzy2747]

Kan expects everyone to know pre-algebra

[@loli141]

This makes me think they should add a red see through finish panel you could copy paste in a gap in some scenery so you wouldn't have that ring

[@scrailwaylines8535]

That actually be a good way to have fun learning at school make an equation to finish a race

[@Willettes1]

It's middle school level math

[@modothegreat108]

I had a racing game in grade school to learn simple calculus. They’re very much a thing.

[@darealkosmo]

foist

[@yurikorsten4402]

Nooo

[@OwenMahoney_]

Lol

[@beaclaster]

foust

[@fiets38]

nice

[@darealkosmo]

got 'em

[@matheusGMN]

you could've put 20n*(6-n) = v to make it easier

[@starfox2134]

Have you guys done a cat vs mouse theme? 1 track, 2 different but similar paths to take (either you have to take both or 1 path vs the other)

[@Mango_Boi]

Theme idea: flight. build a track where people will float for most of the track.

[@Poldovico]

Theme: Evil. Set Dapper and kAN loose on that one.

[@Purple_Gu7]

Here's and idea: trolls.

[@polelord]

So I uploaded a video today with a bit of explanation on how I made a track out of 4 parts from different people. I think it'd be a great idea if you did that with Kosmo, Dapper, Scrapman and maybe even the dev. I can give yiu more explanation if you need to (and if you even see this comment), just thought it might be cool to have a track with all you guys' track making abilities involved Btw don't watch my video it sucks. A lot.

[@pascal2085]

13:26 Killo has been doing meth instead of math. 120n - 20n^2 would be correct

[@DasVerteidiger]

"my comments complained that I gave it away to early so I'm not gonna tell you anything", "it's the jump number, 1, 2, 3". lol...

[@HowlingCurve]

With how long it took Scrapman to join you guys I was starting to think there may have been a falling out somewhere but no it was just Scrapman not playing the game until recently.

[@champ2stay920]

my two usual Railroads online and upwards spiral.

[@DogoCray189]

He has finally joined in hopefully he gets custom hat for him like you guys that would be nice! :D

[@kingjoebail7300]

Kan showing off the big brain on this 1

[@bobduh324]

“meth is somthing diffrent” kosmo making his next trank named crystal methany

[@douglastaylor43]

This was one of your best tracks

[@HonestAuntyElle]

The issue isn't the math. The issue is that the indicator of where to do the speed isn't intuitive. I think most would expect the speed to be the exit speed of the ramp

[@ktmdude24]

I'd like to see a motocross theme if that's possible in the game

[@JohanDeknudt]

Should have named the track 'Number Jumper' as the clue.

[@TheCornChili]

I started calc 2 this week I don’t need more math in my life lol

[@Flechyb]

The best math teacher

[@restytingson3978]

pov you play zeepkist to forget about school and then you play this

[@gerrard1144]

me: how are you supposed to find n where's the =0 kan: *explains* me: ok im dumb

[@michaeloneill9650]

I will say scrapman's track is my favorite this time

[@dshadows2966]

20n(6-n) Formula 1. 20 (Speed required) x 1 (Number of the jump) = 20 6(Speed multiplier)-1 = 5 20 (outer number found) x 5 (multiplied with the parenthesis inner number) = 100 (1st jump) Formula 2. 20 x 2 = 40. 6-2 = 4. 40 x 4 = 160. (2nd jump) Formula 3. 20 x 3 = 60. 6-3 = 3. 60 x 3 = 180. (3rd jump) This is really simple math.

[@LordDragox412]

Only if you know what n is though, which isn't something people would figure out too fast without Kan spoiling everything :P

[@some2950]

I learned the math so quick here than at school

[@fajei6867]

Theme Idea: 69 or 420 You have to use exactly 69 or 420 pieces to build your Track

[@Gijy2539]

you should have done 6 jumps. at 6 the equation makes 0 so you just fall of the edge into the finish

[@theaumguy1621]

Killo if you're reading this, I did the same at first, was sitting here like 60n^2 - 120n, what could that stand for ^^

[@brianfromthirty]

OMG OMG SCRAPMANS PLAYING

[@maddoxstryker3183]

KAN are you and Dapper Alex and Danny from Graystillplays because these (especially this weeks tracks) really seem like the boards that Alex and Danny make

[@kylerimmele2054]

"kan" im not going to say too much. Proceeds to explain the entire thing including brake hints

[@DG3_Official]

I feel like math is worse especially if you come home from high school just to see this

[@aaronmiller4859]

there are multiple people whos brains are fried now

[@patricklinford689]

I don't understand how it wasn't obvious what n was considering how that variable gets used

[@venoltar]

Might have gotten tricky to validate it you had decided to go up to 6 jumps through :)

[@CanadianProud_]

*”Assuming that the variable “n” is equal to 1, then the expression from the thumbnail should be equal to 100.”* - Some smart person

[@CanadianProud_]

I answered this before I watched the video

[@CanadianProud_]

I was right!

[@davidculver7965]

You should call this one quick maths

[@rysiii811]

You madman :o You put math into fun, while knowing fully well that it cancels out each other, there can be only one, like multiplying infinity times 0 EDIT: also, you cannot honestly blame the math system without naming the n in the equasion. How people are supposed to know right away?

[@kevincolwell3066]

To be fair to the lobby he never told them what N is = to

[@galois6569]

What came first? the formula or the jumps?