I Can't Believe I'm Making This Video...

[@ep6713]

This was confirmed in Shadow Generations, and few noticed. In the "Shadow Room" there is a summary of the story of all the games in which Shadow participated, and in part 2 of Sonic Adventure 2, it is said that after a fierce battle, the eclipse cannon was deactivated. And then he adds, saying that with the cannon DEACTIVATED, Biolizard would crash into the earth. So yes, the hero's story is canonical and Sonic managed to accomplish his goal of deactivating the Eclipse Cannon even with Shadow appearing in his way.

[@ThatSonicGamer]

You're right. I should have mentioned that people were telling me it wasn't canon before SXSG came out. Thank you!

[@MiZtaAZuki]

so wait how come in the beginning on final story and end of dark story team dark won and it wasn't deactivated?

[@Synergetic32X]

@@MiZtaAZuki you're a clown

[@ep6713]

​@@MiZtaAZuki The Dark story does not explain how he was deactivated, as it is not canon. The one that explains and shows this is the hero's story.

[@13superjedi]

​@@ep6713So, is the dark ending not canon if the hero ending is? I haven't played it in a while, so I don't remember the ending of the dark story very well. Is there a contradiction?

[@benji777tm]

It’s obviously not canon, it’s the Eclipse Cannon.

[@ThatSonicGamer]

Get out. You're done

[@TempestKrimps]

GET OUT ‼‼‼‼

[@Sonario648]

Get out. Just get out.

[@Lego_Drink]

Hold up.....let him cook though....

[@slimgrim3607]

@@ThatSonicGamer yeah, get them out so nobody else in the comment section can't get jealous of how GENIUS they were.

[@biko6158]

Finally, a fellow Sonic fan with media literacy 🗿

[@BlackFlash09]

The Ellipse Cannon was disabled by Sonic, not destroyed. Obviously the Final Hazard’s innards fixed the cannon, setting up for the true ending of Shadow’s title game.

[@creativename1673]

The better argument for the Hero ending to not be canon is that the Eclipse Cannon can't have been broken since it works in Shadow 05

[@TreadywayYT]

It’s not broken just deactivated..

[@creativename1673]

@TreadywayYT you can literally see explosions going off

[@ep6713]

Just as the moon was also intact even though it was destroyed. These are small details that producers forget and then have to make excuses to justify it. But the fact is that the cannon was destroyed, they understand this as canon and it was recently confirmed in Shadow Generations. So that's it..

[@creativename1673]

@@ep6713 There wasn't a concrete confirmation that it was Sonic who deactivated the cannon. It just as well could have been the job of Gerald's failsafe, which bear in mind, was supposed to only trigger once the seven Emeralds are gathered; would it really trigger with a fake in its place? Not to mention that the very same Shadow Generations also confirms that Shadow used the Eclipse Cannon against the Black Comet, which he obviously couldn't have done if it was destroyed, so...

[@ep6713]

@creativename1673 O resumo é bem claro, APÓS UMA FEROZ BATALHA, the ECLIPSE CANNON THREAT has been stopped. Just look at the game's story up until that point, they wanted to use the cannon to destroy the earth by shooting at it, and before that they had shot at the moon, all the characters They thought this would be done on Earth, and Shadow and Eggman didn't know about Gerald's secret plan. So Sonic wanted to stop the Eclipse Cannon at all costs, Eggman sends Shadow to stop Sonic's action, and then they fight, this was the FIERCE BATTLE, which led to the deactivation of the cannon, he was neutralized, the Adventure 2 cutscene where it shows him exploding is not for nothing, and this confirmation of what happened narrated in Shadow Generations is also not for nothing and only confirms that. In a future game it was working, yes, so what? Does that negate the fact that in Adventure 2 it was disabled? They lied in the cutscene and they lied now decades later in the Adventure 2 summary?? No, it simply means that in the future game they must have forgotten about it during production, in the same way they forgot about the destroyed moon, just make up any excuse like they did with the moon. And then they say that the cannon was activated later in some way, I don't know, anything, but the fact is that it is clear that it was indeed deactivated at least at that moment in Adventure 2, and what happened in the Shadow The hedgehog Game It doesn't cancel that out, it's not for nothing that they said in Generations that it was in fact deactivated after that fight.

[@kate_evergreen]

I’ve noticed a pattern with Shadow-he always seems to have some hidden agenda up his sleeve, like in Sonic X and Sonic Generations. In this battle, it feels like Shadow was just stalling to buy time for the Eclipse Cannon to fire. But it also seems like he decided the fight wasn’t worth the effort since he already knew about the BioLizard plan, which explains how he knew exactly where to go after Amy reminded him of his real promise to Maria. In the end, it wasn’t really about the fight itself, it was more about the reasons behind it. Shadow’s moves were calculated (or reprogrammed by Gerald), all part of a bigger plan beyond just the battle with Sonic. So in conclusion, BOTH Hero and Dark endings are canon.

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

yeah pretty obvious , i think the reason people argue its not is because they probably just want Shadow to win against Sonic lol

[@jadeimusprime2158]

IMO, I'm pretty sure that's the reason

[@yvng_hero305]

That is the reason. They will disagree with hard solid reality in favor of their favorite character lol. They needa get off the meds

[@renansantos6533]

Well i noticed some revisionism currently with people trying to paint Shadow as the Strongest Hedgehog when this was never the case lol. They are equals, or Sonic is atleast a little stronger canon wise

[@bluephoenix_z3364]

THANK YOU!!!

[@renansantos6533]

@@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2 like I couldn't careless who is the fan favorite. If is Sonic, Shadow or both. But man, these people should atleast give the real information about things, don't make stuff that never happened.

[@AtomicoMacaco]

I think the issue is that the Eclipse Cannon is entirely functional in Shadow 05, and the fake emerald is intact in Shadow Gens.

[@Nugget111uh1]

1: Either the BioLizard (remember it basically was on top of the cannon and firing?) or Eggman could have fixed the cannon before Shadow 05 2: It's Gens. Or maybe the fake emerald got recreated or regenerated somehow?

[@syweb2]

Who says that the fake Emerald had to be destroyed? All we know is that it was plugged into the cannon somehow, that doesn't immediately mean that the emerald was destroyed. Plus, as the other guy mentioned, the cannon is fully exposed and could pretty easily be repaired by Eggman, since he is shown to have spaceships/space shuttles and plenty of robots.

[@lpfan4491]

Why would Eggman repair it? He clearly had no stated intentions of using it.

[@syweb2]

@@lpfan4491 Why the heck else would he be on the ARK in any of the endings?

[@AtomicoMacaco]

@@Nugget111uh1 1: The BioLizard thing is a bit too vague, it can easily happen with an Eclipse Cannon that is already working and therefore nullify the idea of the Hero Story ending. And Eggman would have no reason to fix the cannon since he pretty much never used it after SA2, so it's too much of an assumption. 2: Yes, indeed it is Gens. But the emerald was found before the time travel stuff even began. And the idea of the fake emerald being able to restore itself has no basis whatsoever.

[@toxicuser-nr4kq]

I feel like people need to realize that The last story is the, you know LAST PART OF EVERY STORY Which means, it takes place AFTER the cannon gets deactivated.

[@drakordarkstar]

i used to think that tbh, but yeah both stories are canon OBVIOUSLY, the eclipse canon was deactivated by team heroes while eggman sneaks away with an emerald to try and activate it, but it can't be activated because sonic had already put the fake emerald in before eggman must have took it out and put it elsewhere. my question is WHY TF DID SONIC GO FROM, THE ECLIPSE CANON CONTROL ROOM, BACK OUTSIDE AND SOMEHOW GRAB BACK ON TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.

[@ThatSonicGamer]

@@drakordarkstar SONIC SPEED! 😂

[@Sonario648]

Cause he's Sonic the Hedgehog. He's fast, and likes to show off with epic poses.

[@bobbob1876]

He threw it down the cannon's barrel, as he says to Knuckles before Final Rush. "Right before that thing fires, I'm gonna slam-dunk it in there!" and the mission description says to find the outside tip of the cannon. In the Japanese script, he outright says he's going to throw it down the cannon's barrel.

[@gordonfreeman5735]

Sonic understood the objective. The players need a cool ending pose/star wars reference to finish the game off

[@drakordarkstar]

@@bobbob1876 ohhhh so that's what he means by "slam dunk it in there" good to know.

[@SageDucko]

I always found the adventure games to have the most abrupt endings in their own stories. Look at sonic's story in 06, after elise and sonic avoid the big explosion. The story just... Ends. And from the video sonic just thumbs up the camera and than THE STORY JUST ENDS 😭😭😭. I'll give sa1 credit because they made it pretty harmonious on their own story endings.

[@Gamrison]

I feel bad you had to make this video because I thought it was obvious the Hero and Dark Story's are two canon halves of a whole story, especially with Shadow Generations now confirming Hero story is canon AND Dark Story, but people will find loopholes to justify their own ideas I guess haha.

[@ThatSonicGamer]

@@Gamrison People will bend over backwards and twist their feet over their teeth to find ways to make illogical things logical

[@R.J.Crimson99]

​@@ThatSonicGamer That's Sonic fans for you!

[@comicfan1324]

Yeah. I know there’s some debate when it comes to these “choose your story” games in the sonic franchise since between the two stories. It’s pretty much left to the viewers devices to figure out what is and isn’t canon between the two endings of the game. Clearly, the dark story has a bunch of canon information, such as Shadow’s motivations and Rouge working for the president, however, just because some of the information presented is canon doesn’t necessarily mean everything is. This is the general rule that I work off when it comes to light inconsistencies between the different story campaigns: “Everything is canon, except for when it contradicts the main hero campaign”. Obviously, like any rule, there are bound to be some exceptions and room for headcanon, but in general, I think that is the best way to interpret the story and understand the intention of the creators. The same thing applies to games like Sonic Adventure. In Gamma’s story you can defeat Sonic, but we can see in both Sonic and Amy’s stories that canonically the robot loses fairly easily. The only game where I feel this rule Is a bit more complicated is sonic heroes, in which canonically it appears all the teams fight, the same set of bosses, but at different points… Despite being in the same locations at the same time roughly? I can write that off as neo metal making multiple copies of each Mech And sending some of those Eggman decoy units to pilot bum, but it is definitely the hardest game to wrap your head around the multiple stories, since they are seemingly all happening simultaneously

[@biohazardbin]

what kind of fuckass logic is this?

[@Sonario648]

In Sonic Heroes, this rule basically just goes straight out the window, because as we can see in Team Sonic, and Team Rose's stories, they fight and defeat the Egg Emperor at the same time, and when it comes to the team vs fights, just forget about it because the game sure doesn't have a defeat cutscene.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Honestly Sonic destroying the canon makes sense and does connect to last story.

[@nicolascosta1349]

What if the canon's destruction was programmed by Gerald? Because we see both in the Hero and Dark Stories that Eggman discovers about the fake emerald (boss fight with Tails/Eggman). If Gerald's plan was to just use the laser on earth, there would be a rest of humanity on the colony. If the colony colides with earth, by using the Biolizard, there would be none being alive, after all, Gerald's plan was to destroy the whole life.

[@bobbob1876]

Yes! Sonic threw the fake emerald into the cannon from outside ("Gonna slam dunk it in there!" (English)/"Just before it fires, I'm gonna throw it right down the weapon's barrel!" (Japanese) + Final Rush's mission is "find the point of the cannon", which is outside). The fake emerald is designed to absorb energy and then explode, which is why the cannon couldn't fire: Sonic threw the emerald into the cannon as it opened and energy began to gather around it, and now the cannon needs to recharge before it can be fired again. Tails' original plan was to destroy the cannon by placing the fake emerald with six real ones. This would destroy a large part of the cannon (and probably whoever fires it). This plan was abandoned when Sonic was ejected from the ARK with the fake emerald in hand. I guess the fake emerald explodes like a Voltorb from Pokemon in that it generates an explosion around itself without directly exploding, which is how it reappears in Shadow Generations. Maybe a GUN robot found the fake emerald drifting in space and brought it inside the ARK.

[@WarriorConsole]

What’s weird about the Hero story is that we see Eggman grab the Chaos Emerald that he needs, which shows how the Dark Ending happens. But what would the point of that scene be then? It’s obviously to explain how he ended up getting all 7 for the Dark ending, but didn’t Sonic destroyed it? So it wouldn’t work. “Oh but why wouldn’t Eggman take it, anyways?” Yeah but it doesn’t do anything to the plot. There was no reason to put that animation there if that’s the case.

[@lamarfll]

The most obvious argument for why Hero Story's ending not being canon is Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) has Shadow use the eclipse cannon to destroy the Black Comet, where it clearly blows up in Hero Story's ending in SA2, implying it shouldn't be able to function at all anymore.

[@P._diddy_disciple]

True, But the story in shadow the hedgehog has many plot holes and inconsistencies

[@jadeimusprime2158]

Shadow the Hedgehog also shows the moon intact. As the guy above me has said, that game has multiple inconsistencies and plot holes

[@genyakozlov1316]

​@@jadeimusprime2158You know which game has more inconsistencies and plot holes than Shadow? Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow also has a better story in general.

[@Nugget111uh1]

Repairs happen. There's also a chance that the BioLizard could have fused broken pieces back together and forced the cannon to work again.

[@P._diddy_disciple]

@@genyakozlov1316 shadow the hedgehog does NOT have a better story than SA2. How does SA2 have more plot holes?

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

People ignore that the second Sonic vs Shadow fight could very well end in a tie, since canonically, that's how the first one ended.

[@furless_ape]

I think that's due to the fact that their first fight you can clearly see they tie but the second fight we don't result. People also like to bet on who's stronger.

[@lpfan4491]

I am fairly sure that Sonic needs to win logically. If Shadow wins, Sonic dies. If they tie, Shadow has no reason not to extend it into a "tie in death" situration because he does not plan to survive the coming ARK crash anyways.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@lpfan4491 Bro, Sonic would flee in the case of a tie. You act like it's either "blow up the cannon" or "be killed".

[@HikaruBaskerville]

Whoever told you why the Heroes ending isn’t canon flubbed up the reasoning entirely. The Biolizard isn’t a factor until near the end of the Last Story. The real reason is simple: Sonic never made it to the generator. Or the cannon. At the end of the dark story, we see Eggman slap the real emerald into the power generator for the eclipse cannon. But the warning sirens don’t signal the cannon’s destruction, but rather that the entire ark itself is on a collision course for the planet; as Gerald’s dying message broadcasts not only aboard the Ark, but across the world. We never see the cannon blow up, we never see it fire. We see everyone scrambling to stop it from crashing into the planet itself. Except for Shadow, who takes some convincing. This end is what he wanted. What he felt Maria would want. But ultimately, it’s what Gerald himself wanted. Not for the cannon to blow up the planet. But for all live to die...along with his bloodstained legacy. There’s some people that’ll also point to the fact that Shadow kills Sonic in the Dark ending, but we never see this happen and just based on their first encounter, implications exist that the fight more than likely ended in another draw, but lasted long enough to delay Sonic whether he won or not. Among other things, we see the Eclipse Cannon itself work again later on in Shadow the Hedgehog, which IS....questionably canon(not much cohesion), meaning the Eclipse cannon was never destroyed in explosion in the process, because who’d actually know how to repair it that isn’t Tails or Eggman? End of the day, this is how it is: Both the hero and dark stories are canon, but the hero ending contradicts how things play out in the last story from the start. No biolizard being the main reason. It’s all down to the context we’re presented with from the very start of the last story. At best, the Heroes ending is more akin to every Sonic game ending where you didn’t collect all 7 chaos emeralds in the old days. “YOU DID IT! Now try again~”

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

The final chaos control "fixed" the ark, after beating final hazard you can see that the ark is falling apart (take a good look at its "moustache")

[@HikaruBaskerville]

@ yeah, but again, that’s from the descent, not anything that happened in the Hero story. The descent itself is what caused all that damage.

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

@@HikaruBaskerville there's no reason why it wouldn't affect the cannon too Surely you could say "there's no reason why it should" but I could just say "there's no reason why it shouldn't"

[@HikaruBaskerville]

@ except what I said was the Hero ending contradicts how the Last story plays out. If the cannon were to have been severely damaged, it would have been in that final battle and upon descent into the atmosphere of the planet. What you saying isn’t a contradiction, but it also has nothing to do with the overall point. That the Eclipse Cannon could not have been destroyed or deactivated in the Hero story per the end of the Dark story leading directly into the Last Story

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

@HikaruBaskerville sorry but I don't get what's your point, the eclipse cannon doesn't do anything in the last story

[@jacobm8624]

Yeah, exactly. I always hear about the game having so many plot holes, yet most of these "plot holes" are easily explainable and just not understood because I guess people don't pay enough attention these days...

[@ThatSonicGamer]

@@jacobm8624 You get it

[@bobbob1876]

Exactly! One example is when people assume Rogue works for GUN, when she actually works for the president, not the military. GUN is not the government.

[@lpfan4491]

The cannon is deactivated(Not destroyed) by...blowing it up? It unironically makes more sense if Gerald's program was the thing that disables it(The drop onto the planet is not a backup plan for if the cannon breaks, it was the actual intended plan all along), which more or less requires the hero ending to not be canon to logically work out. What Sonic did with the emerald after beating Shadow then(Because he 100% won that fight, otherwise he'd be dead by Shadow's own statements)? I'll admit, idk. But then again, I have also no idea what Knuckles was doing between then and final story because Sonic tells him to go help Tails and Amy before Final Rush, yet he *arrives together with Sonic* in the final story with no explanation for what took him so long. There are a few details that were clearly tripped over towards the end of development and pieces that don't quite fit either way.

[@SuperNinjaChicken64]

Both. Both are canon.

[@PauloH100]

What I believe happened is: Sonic defeats or ties with Shadow (The result doesn't matter as long as Shadow doesn't win, because he would probably kill Sonic there) Tails defeats Eggman but he escapes with the Emerald, Sonic deactivates the Eclipse Cannon, Eggman places the last Emerald in the last place and initiates Gerald's plan to crash the Ark into the planet. I believe that even if the cannon was working, the protocol would follow the same way.

[@Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers]

Now i want to see a clip of you explaining this to chat

[@MrAppleSalad]

The problem comes from Gerald's contingincy itself, not the biolizard. The entire point of Gerald's contingincy is that it stops the cannon from firing and instead crashes the ARK into the planet. Eggman is able to place the last Emerald into the cannon and is confused when it doesnt fire. If the whole thing exploded, he would have felt that and asked what the heck just happened instead of just being confused why NOTHING happened. Gerald's contingincy stopped the cannon, not Sonic. This is also backed up by Shadow the Hedgehog. In that game, the Eclipse Cannon is fully opperational and fires not once but twice. If Sonic made it explode, then there's no way that it would be able to fire later, and there's no reason for anyone to ever go up and repair it. Black Doom fired it at Central City, and during the Last Story, Shadow used it to destroy the Black Commet. These facts prove that the Hero Ending is not canon. ALSO also, the whole thing with the Last Story in SA2 is the fact that Eggman succeeded. He did what he wanted to do, he activated the cannon. The Hero Ending is basically a what if scenario where the Heroes are able to stop Eggman early, thus preventing the Last Story from happening. The Last Story can only happen when the Villains succeed with their plan.

[@biohazardbin]

no it's not, both sides of the story happen at the same time just from different perspectives. play the fucking game instead of spewing bullshit on the internet.

[@ep6713]

The moon also appeared intact in the following games, even though it had been destroyed, and then they had to make up excuses to justify this, they are simply script errors by the producers that are forgotten of certain details. They can simply invent anything to justify the cannon being activated again later, since in Shadow Generations it is confirmed that it was deactivated in Adventure 2 after a FIERCE BATTLE.. This fierce battle refers to that of Sonic and Shadow, where in the hero's story it is shown that Sonic somehow caused the explosions, and the story itself is not "a hypothetical scenario where the heroes win sooner", as that story itself shows that while Tails was talking to Sonic after defeating Eggman, he got distracted and Eggman picked up the yellow Emerald that fell to the ground during the fight. So this story already shows what would happen next without any problem and continuing the story. Even in the cutscene of Eggman attaching the yellow Emerald to the panel, he appears with his hands behind his back, sighing, this is clearly to show that he has just come out of a fight that was not good for him, which in this case, is Tails' victory over him shown in the Hero story.

[@genyakozlov1316]

​@@ep6713 There is 0% chance Heroes and Shadow forgot the moon was RWBY'd. It was definitely an intentional choice on the part of the developers to ignore that fact, for whatever reason. Now Sonic being able to use Chaos Control is something I can believe they simply forgot, but that could have been ignored to keep Shadow special.

[@ep6713]

@@genyakozlov1316 I see the case of the cannon in the same way as the moon, the way you said. And well, Sonic used chaos control with Emerald in Sonic 2006 about 2 times. But they prefer Sonic's style to be his own abilities and not using the emerald powers every time.

[@Nugget111uh1]

First and foremost, the ARK is huge and probably has some force distribution tech to deal with rapid unscheduled disassembly, and from what I recall in the story Tails and Amy see Sonic almost right after the fight. The explosion could have happened while Eggman was walking down the hall. Secondly, there's a couple of people who could have fixed the cannon in the interim. Eggman, obviously, but also remember how the BioLizard was on the cannon and shooting lasers? Would've been a bit weird but maybe.

[@BurstFlare]

There are seriously people that think that wasn't canon?!

[@no1ryomafan585]

I knew sonic lore was confusing but Sonic fans are just over complicating it now💀 On a serious note though: this is so stupid when almost every sonic game where you play as multiple characters especially mainline usually have all the characters routes be canon. (I say mainline cause I can’t speak for games like rivals since I barely know them- I also don’t know how this goes for sonic origins) SA1 did this, Heroes did this, 06 did this, the only game not to do this was Shadow but shadow you ONLY played as him and it was explicitly supposed to be what if routes until you got the true ending. The multiple playable character route with story is supposed to show different perspectives so why wouldn’t their all routes be canon when they lead to the true ending final story anyways? Your meant to play them all to get the full story, so every single aspect is canon.

[@windowpersonSRB2]

Isn't every ending canon to Sonic Adventure 2? People are stupid.

[@ThatSonicGamer]

@@windowpersonSRB2 little louder for the people in the back!

[@adrianporter5749]

@@ThatSonicGamer ISN’T EVERY ENDING CANON TO SONIC ADVENTURE 2?! There I can’t go much louder.

[@FengTheSlayer]

“Don’t mess with dragonball fans, we can’t read” ahh moment

[@OfficialCoastX]

obviously, also the cannon stops, THEN they fight the biolizard.

[@loganmcpherson6873]

There’s no way it isn’t canon, there’s one right there

[@freefall-hex]

okay before i watch this video I THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT SONIC STOPPED THE CANNON IN THE HERO STORY AND THEN THE BIOLIZARD WENT AND TOOK IT OVER AS AN EXTRA PROTOCOL MADE BY GERALD DUE TO THE DEACTIVATION

[@JaundiceProductions]

Really? SONIC FANS?? This is the timeline: Heroes story (canon) Dark story (canon) - the two takes place at sane time and ends at same time - then last story. I mean, i wouldn't blame them tbh, sonic lore is like a rollercoaster that goes on all sides

[@ZamboniPony]

"the two takes place at same time" the dark story takes place before the hero story

[@JaundiceProductions]

Oh ok thanks for correcting me!

[@ZamboniPony]

@@JaundiceProductions yw

[@Jorno_arts]

The way Tails walks is so weird

[@yvng_hero305]

Shadow fans love saying shadow won. 0 proof and the best part. If he did win. What would that do. I mean obviously a bad ending, but narratively, theres nothing profound there. Thats a horrible way to do shadows character arc.

[@biohazardbin]

this is what happens when you pretend to like a series and think you know what you're talking about without ever having played these games.

[@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity]

Let's put this into perspective. If Shadow did win that exchange, he had very clear intentions of killing Sonic. If he won, there wouldn't have been a Sonic to save the day, because his body would be laying dead on the Ark Path. Sonic has to win the exchange on that alone, and as for the way of shutting down the Eclipse Cannon, that one's always been in the air for me since if Sonic threw the fake Emerald into the Eclipse Cannon, and it did its job of exploding (Tails said it in Japanese and English that it was designed to take the energy from the other Emeralds, and cause that energy to backfire and explode), the Cannon shouldn't have been in a working condition by Shadow 05, and the fake Emerald shouldn't have been in that room, and instead lodged in a melted piece of the Eclipse Cannon Barrel if it was assumed to be able to stay intact after blowing up (And trying to say GUN fixed it or it was repaired in the Chaos Control is really just applying headcanon to spackle the plot hole, not actual canon)

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

The super sonic & super shadow chaos control fixed the ark, take a look a its "moustache" in the cutscene

[@LittleSansLittletale]

Soooo, Then how does this explain Shadow The Hedgehog? Where shadow uses the eclipse canon to destroy the Black Comet?

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

The super sonic & super shadow chaos control fixed the ark, take a look at its "moustache" in the cutscene

[@Red_redzz]

Was told sonic frontiers wasnt cannon…

[@Kookie_13_]

The canon was destroyed but also the moustache was too and after they chaos controlled it the moustache was fixed and then the eclipse canon was used in shad05 so chaos control must’ve returned it to a previous state in time. I know that other comment says the eclipse canon was deactivated by this makes more sense. They could also have fixed the moon that way. Also sonic used the fake chaos emerald which is how shadow found it

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

My only questions are does Sonic 1 Master System still take place after Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 Master System still take place before Sonic 2, when Sonic Chaos should take place and where Sonic Triple Trouble take place? (Geographically speaking)

[@nicktheanimeniac]

I actually feel like there's more evidence than just that to suggest that the Hero story is not canon because in Shadow 05 - he not only uses the Eclipse Cannon to fire at the White House during one of the routes but also at the end of the game in the true ending Shadow destroys the Black Comet with it too and that couldn't have been possible if it was destroyed in SA2 + if Sonic was supposed to have thrown it inside the Eclipse Cannon right before it fires to make it explode then how come the fake Emerald is completely intact in Shadow Generations? Now, I know it's a new game with a completely different writer so maybe you could argue that some things were changed for the sake of that game's plot but I think even if we look at Sonic Adventure 2 on it's own we can still deduce more things because don't you think it's kinda weird that Sonic is even able to do what he does in the first place? Now what I mean by that is that basically from what we're told/shown in the game it's pretty much implied that Gerald's plan all along wasn't even to shoot the laser at the Earth because there was no way to guarantee that whoever is in control would want to do that so that's why instead he set it on a crash course with the Planet once all the 7 Emeralds were inserted so the Eclipse Canon never even fired a second time at all so Sonic couldn't have blown in up. I know that there's also evidence to suggest the opposite too that the Hero ending is canon because in the very same Shadow Generations they talk about how "Sonic stopped the canon" but most of it is usually stated and not shown meanwhile all the evidence of the opposite is actually physically shown (like the Canon firing in 05 or the Emerald still being intact in Generations) so I'd rather believe the physical evidence over statements personally especially since they're still consistent but I suppose in the end it's open ended and no matter which ending you believe is canon - we still end up in the same situation story wise so yeah, that's my point of view on this matter.

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

The chaos control after final hazard "fixed" the ark (shown by the "moustache" thingies) You want physical evidence? There it is

[@nicktheanimeniac]

@@nicolasbernasconi7228 well first of all, either the cutscene where they break off is wrong or the Final Hazard boss is wrong because they're still there during that fight if you go and check but even if we assume they're not then well... one - why didn't they also fix the moon with it? And two - it still doesn't answer my other question of why did the Eclipse Cannon explode if it didn't fire?

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

@@nicktheanimeniac man, the cutscene happens after the fight, they don't contradict each other because of the order in which they happen I don't understand what's your point about the explosion, it exploded because of sonic's shenanigans witg the fake emerald, so it didn't fire

[@nicktheanimeniac]

@@nicolasbernasconi7228 are you being for real right now? If "the mustache thingies" are STILL THERE during the Final Hazard boss fight then that means that them being there AFTER the fight means nothing because they use Chaos Control AFTER the fight ends, what are you even going on about? You also didn't have anything to say about the broken moon thing and ALSO also - it doesn't even feel like you read my first comment because I CLEARLY explained why the Eclipse Cannon wouldn't just explode from "Sonic's shenanigans"... Sonic's plan was to throw the fake Emerald into the Eclipse Cannon's barrel THE MOMENT IT FIRES so that it would have a reaction with the fake Emerald and combust BUT GERALD'S PLAN was to make it so that The Ark would start FALLING DOWN once all the Emeralds are inserted, NOT FIRE THE LASER hence - if the laser DOESN'T FIRE then how can Sonic use his fake Emerald???

[@nicolasbernasconi7228]

@nicktheanimeniac look at the cutscene m8, can't be clearer than that A not-really-canon explanation for the moon is that in sonic x eggman fixed the moon If shadow generations oficially says "the cannon was deactivated" it means sonic stopped the cannon, there's really not much that indicates that the explosions are gerald's doing, the intended plan could have to just make the cannon not fire, and make the ark fall

[@diogomartins9201]

I think both endings can work. At the end of the Hero Story we see Eggman getting the last emerald anyway, implying he placed the last emerald himself. However it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. It doesn't matter if Sonic or Shadow win, if Tails or Eggman win or if Knuckles or Rouge win, the end result is always the same story wise, so either ending can work. Again, in both endings the 7 Chaos Emeralds are placed in the cannon. However. I believe the Hero ending makes less sense, for a few reasons. I'm pretty sure the Ark falling to the Earth was programmed by Gerald, not if the cannon didn't fire, but if the 7 Chaos Emeralds were collected. I don't think he ever planned on shooting Earth to begin with. Next, as stated by many people on these comments, why and how does the cannon work in Shadow 05? That game is canon, so the cannon has to be functional. And last but not least is Eggman himself. At the end of the Hero Story he sees Tails and Amy happy that Sonic acomplished his goal of destroying the cannon, so why would he even bother to place the last emerald in the cannon? It doesn't make much sense. As for the fake emerald, it's weird in both stories. In the Hero Story, does Eggman just take it out of the cannon and leave it there? Kinda weird. And in the Dark ending, does Sonic just drop it or something? Leave it on the ground? Honestly I think the fake emerald would be the deciding factor, and Shadow Generations doesn't make it better as the emerald is just sort of sitting there, in a random room.

[@biohazardbin]

obviously both ending can work because both endings HAPPENED

[@acquired-k5z]

The cannon got deactivated, not destroyed. So, it could still be functional.

[@diogomartins9201]

@acquired-k5z I mean, we see it explode in the cutscene

[@Sonario648]

Slight correction. Amy and Tails weren't happy that Sonic accomplished his goal of destroying the cannon. They were happy that Sonic was alive since they thought he was dead. That's why the second fight between Tails and Eggman happens in the first place.

[@mrwizzardknight]

Yeah! ;) Makes total sense matey! ;) 😊👍 Both the hero ending and dark endings ARE canon! Full stop! XD

[@MouhammedChafai2007]

I don't care if it's Canon or not It is what it is, okay ? (BTW i didn't know that ending was actually a thing) It's a good game and that's all Not like you're going to kill yourself over it

[@Saul-D-ace]

does sonic remember sonic 06

[@Mooooooomoooooooo]

i did not even know people thought that the hero story was not cannon i mean u can just use common sense

[@ThatSonicGamer]

@@Mooooooomoooooooo I’m seeing comments of people still not convinced

[@Jolynesimpnumber4]

Well yeah but is all of the hero story canon? Like tails vs eggman did tails win or not, I don’t think so to me that’s like the only fighting that could be canon in the dark story is eggmans version of the final boss since if shadow won against sonic screw the eclipse canon he’s not letting sonic live.

[@wijinsama]

What would be an interesting video is saying where you were or what were you doing during each event of every sonic game. Like for example, where were you during the events of Eggman splitting the Earth to reveal Dark Gaia. Like pretending you are in the Sonic Universe as yourself

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

I can't believe you had to make this video...

[@SockoNChips]

No your right, sonic fans are known for being just a wee bit media illiterate, its ok though

[@shadowkirby7210]

Are people stupid?

[@FunnyFrog70]

The GREATEST Sonic game of all time?

[@genyakozlov1316]

Adventure 2 isn't even a runner up, imo. Adventure 1 and Shadow are. Shadow the hedgehog is my favourite 3D game just as CD is my favourite 2D game. I just prefer collecting things over getting to the end of the level, which is why Knuckles and Rouge are my favourite parts of Adventure 2.