I Did Not Like In a Violent Nature

Today we are going to talk about last year's In a Violent Nature and the nature of love in horror. Thank you so much for watching.
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[@jacklightfoot1591]

Ive always thought of horror as a medium to be about expressing the sensation of what is wrong, and what is hated. And in that analysis, the conclusion should be that love HAS to be valued and important. Like, there is a nihilistic hatred in Lovecrafts work that is not likeable, but the nature of the medium makes it easier yo see that hatred in ourselves and accept its existence and grow away or parralel to it. Love is maybe not horror's focus or purpose, but its byproduct, its conclusion and what we exhume from it. Sometimes disliking a message can be the value. To hate the nihilism and inhuman tone is response that makes watching this movie worth it. That on some level the creators know that their bleak out looks and struggle to connect to other people is 'wrong' but can only express the 'wrong' things they are feeling, and havent yet found how to be more than a metaphorical revenant. Dont yet know how to find the love that comes from the horror they hold. Love your work as always. Keep loving the horror YOU hold, as we you viewers love it.

[@dreamcast.0]

I think you ought to talk about Kinds Of Kindness. It was quickly ignored by most people but I still like it a lot. Maybe because it came out so soon after Poor Things, maybe because it isn't so simple to understand? I don't think it's impossible to decipher though, and it's very much about love and humanity, and I think it's worth a closer look.

[@nbi7872]

I wholeheartedly disagree. If we are to only go by your metric, then I would say that there is love to be found within In A Violent Nature. The locket that kept Johnny asleep was essentially his only warm memory, the memory of his mother. It kept him at peace. Once that was taken it was his goal to simply get it back by any means necessary. Plus there was Jonny's love for his surroundings. Someone else mentioned that Johnny comes across as part of the woods' immune system, removing the foreign thereat, especially when you consider his background.

[@whoisjude]

completely agree with this stance and find it wild that IPOS brings up Terrifier in contrast when the first movie in that series has none of the love mentioned in the video The love being rooted in the villains backstory also feels like a further deconstruction of the genre in an interesting and fun new way almost more akin to a creature feature than a slasher

[@DrZ.Zalost0000fansuxZrules]

@@whoisjude That Terrifier 1 issue is discussed in his clown horror video. Since watching 2 and 3, IPOS has clearly changed his stance on the overall franchise

[@whoisjude]

@@DrZ.Zalost0000fansuxZrules well i’m glad to hear that still wish IPOS was more open to the love in IAVN being for a different character than he was expecting

[@BeauMarrow]

While he briefly mentions the scene with Johnny and toy car, I think IPOS almost entirely disregards Johnny, boiling him down to simply being a revenant. While Johnny is clearly no longer a "human" he is absolutely the protagonist of the movie and his love for his mother/the locket is what drives him. Yes you can see these as being inherent to the concept of a revenant, but a love for what was taken is what drives revenge.

[@Jmetclaf7053]

I have to respectfully disagree with your accessment of horror as being fundamentally about love and acceptance. Even a cursory glance over the genre's history reveals how easily it can be a tool of hatred and divisiveness. Psycho, a film foundational to every horror movie that's come after it, devolves into some of the most rapacious transphobia ever put to the screen in its third act. And while there might be outliers like The Lost Boys, just about any vampire story you come across is going to include some demonization of people who are gay or, esepcially, bisexual. Hell, anything to do with HP Lovecraft is practically guaranteed to be some of the most cartoonishly racist storytelling you've ever come across. Horror is a tool, nothing more. Whoever wields it decides what it is.

[@editorahumanas5345]

I think he is talking about the reception and the reading of the themes of the movie. You can say that about Psycho, but you can say also that is about a toxic representation of a mother's love on his "non heteronormativity" son

[@editorahumanas5345]

But know after watching the video, I kind agree that Praise had some romantically view on the horror genre...almost a Gothic....you can say that Friday 13th is just as swallow as In violent nature. His Incapacitated to elaborate a a critic about the film is a signal of that this video is just a "review" content....but its ok since is the premise of the channel

[@insertcreativenamehere8640]

My personal opinion is that horror is not effective without some amount of compassion and empathy. But with as versatile as the genre is it can be ABOUT anything and can include anything the creator wants, including bigotry, unfortunately.

[@coreybananas]

I mean you're somewhat right, but I'd argue that love and hatred aren't mutually exclusive.

[@orwellianson]

You clearly haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

[@smurgledarf]

With respect because I do see your angle here, I think you miss the mark slightly. Johnny, the revenant, is meant to be the focal point for our empathy much more than the campers and randoms are. He is a being who craves the only bit of warmth and love he has ever known, and acts aggressively in order to protect that love. The cycles of violence which surround, motivate, and are maintained by Johnny stem from the absence of that love, that calm. My problem with the film personally though, is that there's a very very confused parallel that the narrative draws between feral, animalistic nature, and the actions of the mentally disabled Johnny. I feel a read can be made here of violence begetting violence, the logger's abuse & murder of Johnny is what turned him monstrous, but I feel like it is such an underexplored aspect of the film that it unintentionally pushes the reading of "the mentally disabled are animals" to the fore.

[@wraith313]

I'm not sure it's fair to say that anyone who has an interpretation of what horror is besides yours is anti-intellectual. I've been watching your videos for a long time and every time you drop a take like that I really wonder what spurred you to write it since it doesn't really seem to further your point in any meaningful way.

[@IPOSDarksides]

It isn't that anyone who has a different opinion of me is wrong at all. I've been wrong many many times in my life and will continue to do so, as will everyone. And a big part of life and art is reading your own personal experiences into the work which creates a personal meaning for everyone, which is by its nature a subjective experience. It is a big part of what makes art and creation fun. I'm talking about "the curtains are just blue" kind of people, who refuse to admit that metaphor and symbolism are a tool in the writer and filmmaker's shed. When I say stuff like that I'm talking about the people who get hostile at the very thought that a work of art can have any other deeper underlying meaning or message other than what it explicitly says on the surface is all.

[@farpointstation]

Do you have any real world examples of this we could check out? I havent really encountered a militant surface level reviewer (yet) but maybe Im just lucky ​@IPOSDarksides

[@DrZ.Zalost0000fansuxZrules]

@@farpointstation start with the comments sections for the Scream and THHE videos on main channel

[@orwellianson]

Do you weirdos ever get sick of huffing your own farts?

[@skramdurosnob9794]

​@@IPOSDarksideskeep yapping

[@MandyMan24]

Can you make a video properly dedicated to explaining the ‘horror is love’ philosophy? I’d love to incorporate more of it as a theme into my own works and share it with others so a good breakdown would be a great and much appreciated help. Like some sort of manifesto for the channel? This Darksides obviously sorta does this but it is a bit short for my liking and only used two very brief slasher examples. How does horror is love apply to the other subgenres or how do specific horror creators do it?

[@BWC_Studios3004]

Yeah same here

[@BWC_Studios3004]

Like how could stories from a villain/monster POV be done in a way that still follows that mantra

[@IPOSDarksides]

Yeah! I can do that and honestly probably already should have by this point, I'll add it to the list and do a dedicated essay to it here on this channel soon. Thanks!

[@BWC_Studios3004]

Just now realising my last short story is basically the same premise as IAVN only it's cosmic horror instead. I think that's an excuse to go the full nihilistic route like this film and do something that works completely independent of horror is love for the sake of going completely batshit crazy into cosmicism and alien fantasy

[@MandyMan24]

@IPOSDarksides congrats on 3.5k subscribers. Just saw the numbers roll over as I was typing there now

[@seanbrouwer2288]

I cannot stress enough how much I am enjoying the comment section of this video. I imagine for IPOS, this comment section might be a hard read, but as a viewer this discourse is extremely edifying. I find IPOS's videos very though provoking and it makes me smile to see that I am not the only person who's brain has been given a workout by the takes in this video. It genuinely makes these videos so much more engaging for me as a viewer and fan of IPOS. I really hope that IPOS is proud that he is able to create a space for such intelligent discussion. That said, I am a glass half full kinda guy and I totally understand that this section could be rough for our boy. Sorry if any of this sounds condescending, my goal here is to praise the community and especially praise IPOS for being so well spoken and inspiring.

[@Mrsierramist1]

I didn't love the movie, but I appreciated what it was trying to do. Finding a creative angle is difficult, and although this isn't the most out there idea, it is done well. I would love a whole video on the horror is love idea. I agree with you, but I also think some love can be found in this film if we allow ourselves to truly view it through the monster's eyes.

[@pimscrypt]

I one hundred percent see where you're coming from, and I think the way your outlook on the genre is informed by love (and that scene from Twin Peaks specifically) is very inspiring! Personally I really like the film exactly because of the detachment from the human element, or rather how the film focused more on the contrast between the brutality of the killer's actions and the serene forest environments. To me it almost feels like a celebration of fictional horror film violence, the bizarre but artistic beauty of it. I appreciate the tv show adaptation of Hannibal for similar reasons. That being said, I think your take is very valid, and very well presented as usual!

[@IPOSDarksides]

Thanks! I appreciate it, and I can definitely agree on the violence aspect. Like for me if viewed in a vacuum separated from the rest of the film I do really like how the kills are done, in particularly the cliff yoga scene and the rock smashing. I still need to actually watch Hannibal, I saw some of it back in the day with my mom when she was watching it but never have seen it all the way through even though I've always wanted to do so.

[@SBelawski]

I was indifferent towards this film from its marketing. A more serious Friday the 13th with a PoV gimmick. Then I saw the "in frame out" review of the film that made me reconsider. The coldness, the separation is not a bug, it's a feature. It's meant to feel more like "annihilation" or "the girl with all the gifts" the antagonist isn't cruel or malevolent. It is indifferent. The indifference of nature personified that feels evil from the perspective of the victim. The lack of heart is intentional. The RLM review points out the contrast between the quiet detachment of this film vs the Gothic theatrics of Friday 13th part 6. It shows how what is essentially the same series of events can be interpreted as "hard fought struggle against evil personified" or "numb indifferent violence of nature" depending on whether the perspective is a quiet slow PoV in a pretty forest or a cemetery set with a fog machine.

[@mattclauss943]

This may be the first time I disagree? If it's not a quality due to a lack of love does that also work for TCM? I suggest, rewatch the end scene when the character is picked up by the passerby and the story she tells. It is about surviving FOR love despite the slasher.

[@Gravitynaut]

this is my read of the film, so i'm kind of surprised by the take presented in the video here

[@BWC_Studios3004]

Did- did you get the footage for the first 30 seconds from The Beauty of's The Beauty of Horror Cinema? Those are all the shots they used in that edit plus the aspect ratio looks like it lines up perfectly

[@BWC_Studios3004]

You must have... I keep seeing so many shots from that edit. Was that on purpose or did you just search horror cinema and picked it out at random???

[@BWC_Studios3004]

Some are even cutting into each other exactly as they do in the original

[@BWC_Studios3004]

My mind is blown

[@orwellianson]

@@BWC_Studios3004really weird of you to talk to yourself in this section. Seek psychiatric help.

[@BWC_Studios3004]

@@orwellianson ... I'm wasn't. I just made more commentary rather than go back and edit.

[@nilbog972]

When I was pregnant something hormonal shifted that made horror unbelievably upsetting for me. It was kind of exciting in a way, because I had become a bit jaded. Talk to Me in particular was deeply disturbing. Before I was pregnant I was a huge fan of slashers, giallo, and thrillers. It made me question what I really loved about horror and you hit the nail on the head here. This was an excellent review!

[@IPOSDarksides]

Thanks so much!

[@jackharpring5849]

Internet rule 5

[@johnracine4589]

@@jackharpring5849 you look like you own a collection of funko pops

[@johnracine4589]

@@jackharpring5849 you look like someone tried to sculpt James Corden out of kinetic sand

[@AngusBassSumner]

I’m really enjoying the second channel. Nice little bite sized perspectives

[@rofflesvanwagon]

🤣🤣🤣

[@orwellianson]

Typical brain rotted troll.

[@Dread_Mender]

I love you content and appreciate your uploads. I would also like to offer a different opion within the "horror is love" philosophy. I am autistic, like Johnny...and i felt so much deep empathy for him as a character. To me, the idea of lashing out violently at those who would harm me because of my disability is cathartic. Every autistic person I know has been traumatized by allistics. The film is one of the most genuine depictions of what it is like to be minding your own business and then be fucked with because you dont fit into a mold.

[@IPOSDarksides]

That is a super valid reading of the film and I really appreciate that perspective to be honest, it isn't something that would have occured to me which is what I like about this kind of thing where everyone brings their own perspective to it. Thanks for that!

[@georgijtugusi]

Very good video! I think I'll have to disagree with the conclusion that this film is nihilistic tho. My reading of the film was that Johnny, despite seemingly being a ruthless killing machine, is still somewhere at his core human. I think the hallucination he has early on and the toy car scene you mentioned is our first true vision of that, but I view the final dialogue less as the conclusion to the film and more as the assumption of the people who know very little. It's told from the perspective of a survivor's relative, it is a recounting of the survivor's story, similar to the final girl. I think it is no coincidence that we end this film with calm views of nature and the medallion being taken by Johnny, peace metaphorically restored to the wildirness. This I view as the true thesis statement of the film, that humanity and internal logic is at the core of each person, despite all the violence and apparent irrationality. It's a refusal to accept the conclusion that Johnny, like the bear in the story, was simply a mindless killer. That being said, I can 100% see where you're coming from

[@Nightfire613]

People who say that horror is only about "scary monsters" or "cool kills" have the critical thinking skills and media literacy of a brick. Monsters or kills can be cool and scary and still MEAN something. They're not mutually exclusive. Saying "it's not that deep" is being deliberately obtuse. People like that frustrate the hell out of me.

[@RedSpade37]

I really vibed with the atmosphere, but I really wanted more overall from the whole film. I'd like to see more horror movies that are mostly from the villain's perspective. I thought it was a really neat idea. I guess we'll see what happens in the future.

[@IrishMorgenstern]

I realized who you remind me of. You take the Vonnegut approach to horror : yes it exists but there is always hope. The hope to be better because we humans always have the capability to do better. Contrast that with the Phillip K Dick approach of humans are monsterous by nature and we must always keep our natures in check. I think both are important because the spectrum is needed to provoke conversation and that is the key right? Good art provokes contemplation and conversation. Thats how culture evolves. Love this channel :)

[@adep4270]

People are going to be like "horror is hate" in the comments and its going to be so cringe

[@sethdansen2385]

I'm curious how you would generalize horror that isn't from love, but isn't necessarily the result of capitalist exploitation either. That particular variety derived from the nihilistically bleak.

[@JohnwayneNOgacy]

I loved it. I respect your opinion though

[@BRAMCRACK3R]

Finally a movie recreating the experience of playing a stealth game and listening to the enemy chatter for way too long.

[@danielhadad4911]

If I may ask, would you consider looking into movies outside of the US and western Europe? I'm from Brasil, and I'm sure there's lots of good stuff here and elsewhere you could pick up. Nevertheless, thanks for being back! This new side-channel has a lot of great stuff too, loving every second! ❤

[@HacksawJenny]

Would LOVE to see some Coffin Joe thoughts!

[@dylanbrockberd64]

This was great! Please IPOS, make a Terrifier video sometime in the future. I’d love to know your takes! I get it if you want to wait until the franchise is near completion or a milestone, but still!

[@antreviewsthings]

I could not agree with you more. I am so glad I only payed $0 to watch this piece of crap. Beautiful scenery, but this movie was not good. I didn't care about any character in this movie. It was pointless. More like: 'In A BORING Nature.'

[@donniedraco4310]

Fitting youtube channel name, I-Puss

[@Blarmenify]

Sick burn dude

[@orwellianson]

You obviously don’t know how to read nor think critically.

[@orwellianson]

@@thelvadamee3767 that’s clearly your fetish.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

I’d argue that not being attached to the survivors is intentional since this movie is attempting to subvert the usual slasher formula by mostly being from the killer’s perspective. Edit: lol nevermind just got to the part where you address this I think this story has a lot of potential for something genuinely riveting. The movie dragged on a bit and felt empty at times, but I think the sequel could flesh things out and really come into its own after the tone has been established by the original. Overall I was somewhat mixed but mostly enjoyed this. I enjoyed your review though!

[@kaushalsundaram8506]

Have you guys checked out In Frame Out's retrospective on this?

[@KimFromTheCrypt]

amazing opening lines that i - generally - couldnt agree more on. i also agree that those aspects simply arent in In A Violent Nature. however, i dont think all horror always has to play in that field. i was simply transfixed by the atmosphere, vibe, pacing, visuals and kills. dissapointed from the sequel anouncement tho. the slivers of dialog and the ending made for a sendoff that fit this film perfectly, making the killer feel more like a folk figure thats impossible to grasp and leaves no traces that are gonna be picked up on by anyone who hasnt come across him - and lived.

[@the88mph]

Yeah i found this movie to be extremely mean spirited gore porn with next to nothing deeper being said. I honestly can't believe how its being reviewed so well. Frankly it was also pretty boring. Good makeup and practical gore fx with almost nothing else going for it

[@adep4270]

Anybody else think of Violent Nature as the horror version of Hardcore Henry

[@DrZ.Zalost0000fansuxZrules]

Is Horror-is-love something you got from being Christian? I know it would be very personal to do but you've never spoken about that part of your life or its influence in your work. If I've crossed a line with that then just ignore me I'm sorry.

[@IPOSDarksides]

No you're one hundred percent good, but probably so yeah. I've never really talked much about myself because I think it influences the way that people may see my words. For instance, I never fully confirmed that I was gay until recently, not because I was ashamed of it but more so because I was worried that from then on everything I ever wrote or made would be viewed through the lens of being a queer reading of a work, even if that wasn't my intention. I try to let the videos stand on their own without much of "me" being in the way if that if that makes sense? Also why I resisted being on screen in my videos for so long. But yes, to your question I would say probably so. I was always raised to be kind to others, and I guess a lot of that has shaped the way that I view media and how certain things should be depicted even in the darkest of of stories.

[@domingosjunior6805]

I also did not like it feels pretentious and dull, i think a slasher protagonist was dune much better in Silent Night deadly night and the silly dumb manga Pumpkin night

[@thelastjarofmayonnaise5066]

When watching this movie, I just couldn't help but think of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like, I would never say that one movie is just a better version than another, especially when the two movies are very different. But for me personally, TCM is able to explore what it means to be a violent person in a more interesting way than IAVN while also managing to have a genuine human core. Basically what I'm saying is that Texas Chainsaw Massacre is so good that it's ruined other arthouse slashers for me lol

[@Vinegarhusband]

I think the movie could have been better if they paid much less attention to the human characters and focused entirely on the monster's point of view with more hints towards his past and motivations. The scenes where the point of view jumps from him to the humans diluted what the film could have been, a character study of the monster.

[@dig4587]

I kinda disagree, i feel like the movie wanted us to see humanity in the killer. I see what your point is tho, and as always you did a great job on this video

[@SpookyFrog420]

I’m glad even if people disagree with one another our discourse remains civil. I loved a lot with this movie like the woods getting louder as we leave the killer finally, and there was parts I didn’t enjoy with the schlocky yoga kill. Over all it’s been a fun add to my collection.

[@chrissherman01]

I didn't think the movie worked perfectly, but it didn't come off as mean spirited or nihilistic to me. One way to emphasize the importance of humanity or love is to depict a world where it's almost completely absent. That's more or less how the movie worked for me. I never thought that the implied message was that the world of the film was meant to be understood as positive in any way. Thanks for the interesting video!

[@liamboles]

Terrifier 3 is the superior film to me because of the heart. The climax of that film is so much more depressing because of your attachment to the characters. But, even if it isn't as successful emotionally, I was still so captivated by In a Violent Nature for its unique perspective. Even if it starts to get a bit tiring by the second half, I love seeing things done in ways that I've never seen before, and reinventing the art form can be enough to get me excited. The creative choices they made were just as shocking sometimes as the best kills in slasher movies, and had a much longer lasting impact.

[@nahidahamed1742]

What I liked about this film was the atmosphere and the gruesome kills. Getting the perspective from the killer is interesting, tho the film lacks a story to tell as we the audience are just witnessing the killer's movements and kills while there is nothing to engage with. The teens are just there for the kills and the backstory is simple in 80s slasher horror.

[@DanteIsenrich]

Lately, after watching the new Nosferatu, I've been thinking a lot about Romanticism as a literary movement and its connection to the Gothic novel and horror. Specifically, how the link between the macabre, sensuality, and absolute devotion is portrayed in these works. I believe it's impossible to discuss death without also considering the things that make life worth living. The tragedy of death arises from the loss of connection, so in a work of fiction having that emotional connection to characters is always more special. At least that's what always brings me back to the genre.

[@alexlupella7089]

I would have really loved this movie if they had committed to completely embracing the tropes and cliches. It feels like they had an ending 15-ish minutes before and it would’ve been great to see the killer be put back into the ground through a ritual or some instance and remained in his perspective. There’s tension in leaving us with the “final girl” and assuming he’ll keep traveling out of the woods to get her but that wasn’t how the rest of the movie wanted to do. Commit to the bit. Be with the killer the whole time. It was right there and I loved the quiet walking throughout. I’ve seen that as the main point of criticism but it worked for me. I agree this movie doesn’t teach us anything about humanity but as a study on tropes it could have been great. There’s some merit in what we got but I wasn’t thrilled with it, either.

[@IPOSDarksides]

I can definitely agree with that, if done well with the survivors coming together and doing something like that and we got to experience a little more time with them after the POV switch it would have improved it I think.

[@alexlupella7089]

Wish I could edit that comment and fix the typos and grammar. I’m acknowledging them to make myself feel better.

[@orwellianson]

Always happy to see you post a new video, Zane. ❤

[@MoxieMcMurder]

I didn't like it either although I appreciated In Frame Out's analysis. It just did nothing for me.

[@qebsonblade118]

❤

[@enriccoc7794]

i agree 100%. plus they suck all the fun out of it

[@chadsingleton2402]

Where as I think this film is valid as a horror film, I do agree with your sentiment of horror=love. Truly, if love and horror weren’t synonymous then this genre would have been extinct by now. Horror works the way it does because of the way the audience cared for the characters that are in their horrifying situations. By that same token I commend what this movie is doing. I think on a certain level the “pigs to slaughter” type films can exist and do well. The film just had to know what it is. Take final destination for example. Other than the first film, the characters are wildly surface level and we pretty much just watch the films to see what crazy ways death will attempt to kill them. Even the first Terrifier works in this way in that we are given a bunch of nameless characters who only exist to die brutally at the hands of art. Now those movies hard pivoted into a story line for movies two and three because of possible franchise purposes, but again it depends on the type of movie that is being made here. The points made about this film are valid but I still give it credit for atleast trying to subvert the slasher genre in a meaningful way.

[@aaronnovelo6501]

Nature is highly detach and indifferent on his violence. When a Grizzly bear hunts a deer there's no emotional background beyond the sheer need for consumption. I think this is the thesis of In a violent nature. If it succeds or not, that's another story. But to choose to judge the film because his philosophy doesn't accommodate to our sensibilities,it goes against the nature of art, specially horror fiction, as tool for exploration of the darkest parts of reality. Even if is a reality is detached of the human experience.

[@radmanstan413]

I disagree to some degree but I can see where you are coming from. The movie is real detached from the humans in the story except for a few moments and significantly at the last few minutes, but I think this film makes up for that with the connection with Johnny. People have gone somewhat sympathetic with Jason over the years realizing that his story is honestly quite tragic if you break it down. This movie explores that “he’s a lost boy” aspect more than those F13 movies have and probably will do. It’s a twisted sort of love but it still has that heart to it. Even if its a slow, brutish, cold heart beat for the movie.

[@pointytoebro]

I disagree but respect your opinion. For me, it's a much more human movie than the Terrifier films. The ending was dissapointing and annoyingly anticlimactic. For me this... almost worked. Still hoping for a sequel to perfect this idea/ format

[@stereohisteria4556]

I was wondering why Carlita from the chanel Pedacitos de Terror dind't like it as much, and now I can think of a reason. She's also a big feelings and themes in horror movies person, so I can see a pattern here.

[@allisonhelms6048]

The way people talk about this movie (“slow cinema” “tsai ming-liang meets jason”) kind of makes my eyes roll so I never sought this movie out. I’m actually a way bigger fan of slow cinema than horror, but something about slashers in particular is really off-putting to me. I don’t really know why, I used to say it was the violence but that’s not quite right. Did you see Red Rooms? I thought that was a great thriller that has a lot to say about how people are disconnected from their own humanity.

[@donny_writes]

I thought this movie was a total drag, but it will remain on my shelf because the hook/cliff kill might be the best kill I've ever seen in anything---which is definitely worth something! But it's no Friday, that's for sure.

[@verb9602]

I agree mostly. I thought the kills were cool, but found the characters lacking. The killer had a story and a motive but I didn't find it that compelling. The people he killed also had nothing in common. He knew and had a history with one, and the rest were strangers. Some seemed happy and had meaningful relationships with others, some didn't. The only thing they had in common was that they were unlucky enough to cross paths with him (except when they had his locket? I forget how many did). It made feel like he had no M.O. or motive which I guess can make him scary, seem like a soul-less killer, who really liked a necklace. One part of the movie that i did think was really cool was the shot near the end, after the final girl is rescued but traumatized, we see that blurry shot of the woods from her point of view. We know the killer is still out there and looking for her, so we're looking all over the shot, waiting for him to appear, searching to see if he is hidden somewhere in it, but he's not. There's nothing there, but were understanding her perspective now with PTSD. She is now constantly on guard, sure that he is somewhere and about to kill her, even though he's not.

[@liminalquartz]

I felt pretty much the same. I thought IAVN was interesting but lacked an emotional core. It seemed like it either needed to connect more with the final girl, or turn the narrative upside down and make the connection with the revenent and critique the final girl archetype - neither of which it did. I also dislike the Terrifier franchise bc it simply fails at making me care about the supposed protagonist, whether you argue that's the killer or the girl.

[@hbkx5]

Another swing and a miss. Movie does not work because of lack of music that escalates or deescalates the moments in the film. That and it need to be re-edited. Nothing to do with getting to know characters or any of the stuff. It is not that kind of movie. Forced narrative.