I Didn't Want to Buy This Plugin... But It Changed Everything! (The God Particle)

[@eddiexx]

i think the reason why we find these plugins so great is because at the end of a mix we become too afraid and therefor dont dear color our mixes, so we end up with good solid grounds but no excitement, and then in comes a frequency curve that actually dears to put a noticeable mark on the mix, that sudden action our ears and mind appreciate very much, a noticible contrast after hours of nitpicking to nowhere.

[@malcomowenflood]

Seems like a good theory! However, im finding that it’s the process of mixing into this plugin that works best for me (rather than just slapping it on at the end).

[@uforeaofficial]

wow, couldn't have said it better myself.

[@harry5496]

Try looking into top down mixing!

[@KYTHERAOfficial]

true

[@songwriterxandtheskeletonband]

I've been using the God Particle on the main bus for over a year now and I love it.

[@KultureUK]

My mixes got sooo much better when i stopped using this plugin. Everything with GP on had the same mushed together midrange, ruined my low end and i couldnt keep anything truly mono if i wanted. It really limited the scope to mix within.

[@HiLoMusic]

Interesting. It definitely melds the midrange, but usually to a nice, positive degree. How would it ruin the low end for you?

[@KultureUK]

@HiLoMusic I recently started using it at around 30 - 40 % and had good results. I think I felt like I couldn't get the sound I wanted at 100%. Like it was forcing me to have a certain saturation and stereo characteristic.

[@miletonegotit]

@@KultureUK that is the plugin's purpose, bringing one's mix close to Jaycen Joshua's preferred sound structure. Its what HE considers a good mix, and "good" is very subjective when it comes to sonics. the GP works for me. Just a lil question though, do you do mid-side processing before or after slapping the GP on?

[@permut8]

*TesslaSE MKII* (free) + Newfangled Audio *SATURATE* + *ELEVATE* = sheer bliss.

[@jonosmitho4212]

Been using it for about a year. It goes on every mix I do now. Great plug-in!

[@roberteismann1929]

I love mixing into it. It's on the mix bus right from the composing stage.

[@Luke-ot6mk]

I emulate the God Particle in my Mix Bus with a Mid side Pan, a Multiband comp, a Baxandall Eq, probably some saturation on high frequencies and a little bit bit reverb, jus enough for brings ambience. I use Goodhertz; FabFilter Multi Band or Audiority Polycomp ; Dangerous Bax EQ or Uad Pultec; SpL Harmonics,or Harmonics Softube; Seventh Heaven - Studio A preset. That is my God Particle emulate Mix bus... The chain order can be different. Cheers!

[@JuiceNZ]

I like that , very similar to how I think about the mix bus 🔥

[@Dane_Riazer]

Goodhertz is the 'low key' analogue maker....you can even add noise into the track with rc-20 before the goodhertz and it blends so well!

[@yodaflame985]

Thought I was the only one, that bax just cuts different

[@GingerDrums]

sounding pretty muddy with or without. The drums feel big but lacking transients... loudness for loudness sake maybe?

[@RogerBrenon]

You have to put the highs in range which is what he DIDN'T do. All 3 gotta bounce in range. He's been listening to the song too long.

[@jamesfreynolds01]

TBH it just sounds like a bit of EQing has gone on especailly in the top air bands. I would argue you could get better results using the Pulsar 8200 eq and way more control. The oxford limiter with the exiter function will also acheive this.

[@InfraSchall18]

If you have Fab Saturn 1 or 2, there's a preset that does the same thing what God Particle does. In Saturn 2, go into the "color" sub menu in the presets and throw on the one called Magic bM. I forget what it's called in Saturn 1 but it's something very similar.

[@malcomowenflood]

I love Fabfilter Saturn 2! I’ll try this out, thanks!

[@MarciaFunebre]

It's a cool plugin, but buyers beware! This thing requires you to be constantly online for constant license check - an extreme example of privacy invasion and distrust against honest customers.

[@ignacedhont9816]

That sucks

[@malcomowenflood]

I actually wasn’t aware of that, thanks for sharing!

[@VinceJackson1]

The first time I didn't know why my master bus didn't have sound 😡 but it will never not be on my mix bus😂

[@skyko]

Total deal breaker. I won't even demo it now. Thanks for the heads up! what an annoying, stupid thing for them to do!!!!! (iLok is bad enough...)

[@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn]

So not like with an iLok/Waves plugins where it goes online to verify when you open a session (Edit in Waveform) where it's used, but constantly? If you turn off WiFi on the computer at any point while mixing it stops working, even if it verified the licence 5 minutes ago and you are still using the same instance of the plugin? Just wanting to clarify the situation as once the plugins have been verified when I open an Edit, I'll usually turn off WiFi while I mix, and I have God Particle in a Cart ready to buy. Cheers.

[@k8923]

When a friend sends me his stuff and asks for input, I almost always use the Stereoizer in Ozone. The middle can be a mush of sound, and spreading out a little lets you hear the individual instruments more clearly which gives it more presence, and makes it seem more dynamic. That sounds a lot like what the God is doing.

[@kelvynification]

Whatever gets you home… feet, horse, bicycle, motor bike, car, airplane… or God Particle! Ultimately it’s your ears and what’s between them that counts 😎 Mixing into the GP gave you a different perspective which inspired you to make other choices. Whatever! If it inspires then cool😎The GP mix does sound better though👏

[@LambertDriveStudios]

I demoed for a week after watching your video Malcom and it just didn’t seem to make things better for type of music I work on, mostly folk / country and little bit of rock. So I’m giving it’s just not for me. Great video breakdown though !!

[@SteveDangBeats]

Love God Particle. Makes stemming fun, but GP version of your track definitely sounded better 🙌

[@dougwayne]

I personally like to mix without a net... Nothing on the master bus! If I want Mojo I do it in mastering.

[@noizros]

I use it on my master and I love it

[@flightlessbird2281]

I'll invent a plug in called Gain. Same thing as this one only it's been featured on a mixer since mixers were first invented.

[@rahulborkar1942]

First in my mix bus but I don’t use the limiter as well. I still use some other plugins and analog after it as well when needed.

[@thespinjunkies2437]

The first mix you played, to me (on my new monitors) sounded really flat--congrats! I presume that would be the mix to send to the ME to bend into perfection or is that the master? Yes the god particle mix sounds better (more exited) but this is sooo tricky because just bumping up the sub and widening the highs will probably make any mix "sound better". However, the work flow is really nice and I love when there are targets to hit and reference.

[@iokloo.official]

good video man thanks for the time and effort!

[@DICARLOPRODUCTIONS]

I´ve used this plugin on a few mixes, and it´s pretty good. But, on some songs it was causing a LOT of noise, so I couldn´t use it. Took it off, and everything was fine. I don´t know if others have had this problem, but I haven´t used it in a while. I suppose I should contact support, and ask them what the problem could be.

[@malcomowenflood]

That’s interesting! Haven’t encountered that (yet). I’m assuming you’ve ruled out that it’s just boosting noise from earlier in the chain somewhere? Good to watch for either way, thanks!

[@dirtbikeprophet7195]

Your original mix was very good. I dont know many people that could mix that well. But the mix sounded a little flat. And the pluggin was wider and a tad brighter. But I think you would have to have a solid mix like you started with. Cheers

[@SonnyGreenwichJr]

I got it on sale, have used it on everything ever since... It just works! BOOM! Thanks! I've smashed all the smashers! Salutations from astonishingly grey & chilly Ireland! ☘☮🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮☘

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

i dunno bro. I think if your learning this kind of crutch is a future killer. If you can't get that sound WITHOUT a magic knob, then U just bought yourself a dependency. biggest stuff I heard that separated the A to B , was simply in turning down the box + saturation/distortion on the freq that needed more boost + overall widening. the box is a slang term for that lower 1k region. typical recording techniques leave a session sounding dull & need a ton of transient carving + saturation boosting on other freq to give that hq shine. Good luck on your projects :) (just passing thru)

[@OYNG]

Hey Malcom, great video! Just wondering, when you say mixing into the plugin do u mean leaving it on the master bus the whole time and doing your other processing before it, therefore hitting it last?

[@malcomowenflood]

Correct! Since it’s always on the mix bus chain, I’m always hearing the audio running through The God Particle and that will influence the decisions I make up stream on the individual tracks and instrument groups/busses. Hope that makes sense!

[@ProfessorSaibertin]

Thx for the video Malcom.

[@N1Studioproduction]

Nice video overall! For me it works better with lower procentage of the magic nab most of the time. It just brings too much side information. That's the only thing I wish I had more control in future versions of that amazing plugin.

[@BreyerWhite]

i think u were too conservative with the highs on your pre-god particle mix. Main audible difference is the brightness.

[@psycholarge]

It's certainly a great plugin that I find myself not being able to live without. Luckily I got mine on sale.

[@markderv]

Candidate for AP deconstruction?

[@musiclover-r9m]

Would love to hear what you mean by "mixed into" the plugin. You just slap it on the master channel on 100% wet and pretend it's not there while you're mixing? Or are you using its meters for reference (with limiter off)? This seems like a good idea but I am not sure where to start (other than of course just slapping it on the master and pretending it's not there :))

[@malcomowenflood]

Great question! Mixing into it means that it's placed on the mix bus early on in the process, which influences the decisions you're making while mixing, as you're reacting to what you're hearing (which is all hitting the plugins/hardware you've placed in the chain). This is very different than doing a mix and then slapping something on at the end, and will definitely yield different results. As for how the plugin or hardware on your mix bus is set, is up to taste. I usually do a rough balance of the mix very quickly (volume faders, light eq or compression if something obviously needs it to sound listenable) and then put a mix bus compressor on and set it based on what sounds good at that point. It might change down the road, but usually that starting point ends up somewhat accurate. But in the case of The God Particle, I went with just its default settings and mixed into it as it was. I like to mix into a chain (be that The God Particle or other plugins/hardware) but I also tend to put some extra plugins on the mix bus near the end of a mix to take it across the finish line - so both methods have merit if you ask me!

[@musiclover-r9m]

@@malcomowenflood Thanks for the detailed response - makes a lot more sense now!!

[@ElectricEddieDaus]

You should let the music play a bit more in both Bypass and Non-Bypass to really hear the difference... It's a little quick, I would like to hear more of the before and after. Seems OK. similar to Ozone etc. Cool.....

[@songwriterxandtheskeletonband]

yeah I had a boat load of waves plugins and I've turned all off, just use the God Particle now

[@plundaphonikz2570]

Reminds me alot of Revive channel on the steve slate mix plugin thing

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

I don't know not sure the specific point but I don't know somewhere between 2k and 5k on the female vocal up a little might give a little more of the energy maybe I am just def though. Vocal sounded a little level so I was getting more of like a banal feel from it rather than energetic. Its definately supressed rather than brightened. imho. talking about the first song.

[@vektacular]

It sure did…I love it!

[@Litzwire17]

Malcolm did you record the guitars or are you just doing the mix? If you did recording could you explain or do a video on your guitar recording gear and process?

[@malcomowenflood]

On the first song (Villain) I didn’t record the guitars. But on the second song (Explosion) I did record them - and the process was essentially the same for both! Would be happy to break it down, but the short version is that both are recorded DI tracks, double tracked, hard panned left and right, and reamped with amp sim plugins! More goes into the mixing than that but that’s the basic take. I’ll definitely try and do a guitar focused video in the future though! Thanks for asking eh!

[@PatrickStefan]

I like to dial in the amount below 50% and turn the limiter off

[@monkmusic5994]

I think, it sounds hyped in the highs and width. Do we want to have songs that all sound Joshuaish? Art does not work like this only mass production.

[@Musictron]

Nice! So do you primarily mix on the HD650 and do you use any headphone corrective eq?

[@malcomowenflood]

I actually mixed these songs on my Neumann KH310 monitors but when I make videos I use my Sennheiser HD650’s to avoid bleed into the dialogue of the video. But I do check on my headphones during the mixing process too! And yes, I use Sonarworks Reference 4 to correct my HD650s and the Neumann monitors as well! (Got another video on how I route that using AudioHijack if you’re interested)!

[@x0recordsllc]

Next try it on the end of your vocal bus ass well it makes crazy clarity, also it will lower your bass the higher u turn it up so use your ears to find the perfect knob setting, and as always ignore the limiter function

[@joshuagardner894]

Some constructive criticism, bring up the highs on her voice, it is muddled in the mix. Granted, Im listening on studio monitors tuned to a flat frequency response in a treated room, so my suggestion might be too much, but the instrumentation is overshadowing the artist imo.

[@NoahHornberger]

agree, bass is too heavy, guitars have too much bass, voice is buried, no shine, snare and kick is not snappy, there are still tons of details to pull out.

[@pushfreely5917]

Loved it until I got the Master Plan plugin….. Both 🔥 tho!

[@supersonicsroots]

Still a biylt muddy, but seems to me your initial mix just lacked some air, some punch and some width basically. Other plugins could've achieved this too I'm sure.

[@PaulOuzounov]

It's the best plugin ever.

[@ZikiMusicWHV]

If you export it, do you leave the plugin ON or OF?

[@malcomowenflood]

If I’m using the plugin in the mix, I leave it on

[@joesalyers]

WOW Has anyone ever told you that you could be Brett Okamoto from ESPN's doppelganger? HOLY CRAP its wild!! Brett covers MMA and this is wild I just watched Okamoto do an interview and then your video and its uncanny! WOW.

[@malcomowenflood]

First time I’ve heard that, but just looked him up and I see where you’re coming from 🤣 Thanks for watching!

[@blairlocke1858]

Love your content. Thanks for this.

[@malcomowenflood]

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!

[@adamslawson]

sounds like maybe your monitors are too bright, as your mix w/o the GP plug-in is more dull, lacking high-end that the God Particle gave more of.

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

definitely agree. it could also be his ears. it takes a good amount of 'real' practice to earn good ears. Could be fatigue as well... I think a lot of mixers get fatigued literally while hyper-focussing on particular spots. Then when coming out of the hyper-focussed section the overall 'sound goal' is lost. I could also say 'fatigued out' instead of lost.

[@DedVerse]

*sigh* can you compare this and infected mushroom pusher (IMP) to see which one is better ive been gate keeping this plugin for years but now im looking for an AI plugin.

[@JaKunaMusic]

Its a solid plugin tbh! My only concern is that I make EDM music, and no matter what I do, I just couldn't get to make it sound nice. The multiband compressor squashes my high end and my low end loses punch and definition, prob because in EDM we tend to "exceed" the pop/hip hop rules in terms of low end and high end.

[@rachidow2125]

I saw a vid of James Hype making a song in 20mins and using this plugin to test it out later with soundcheck in a big venue. I thought it was more for hip hop, but I guess not.

[@JaKunaMusic]

@@rachidow2125 I saw that video too. But james has a particular sound that doesnt quite fit the way I produce. I aim for around -4/-5LUFS and the limiter in this plugin + the multiband def suffers when the signal is too hot. I know im not famous and im just a random producer, but if you can, please trial it before purchasing it!

[@AH20XX]

Hasn't left my mixbus since i got it

[@huckwalton2307]

Reminds me of mixing into Gullfoss.

[@siriusfun]

It reminds me of the sonnox inflator.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Constant online drm is for the birds.

[@spynasaurus5194]

Ubisoft always on drm bye bye

[@sevenfifteen]

I might be totally stupid, but I didn't hear anything exciting, just more subbass and a wider stereo field. Both of which you can achieve with other plugins just as well and without much tweaking.

[@SPD87327]

I def heard more punch and excitement.

[@jjose100ify]

I love using it for specific things. I ALWAYS turn off the limiter though. Not a fan of it

[@malcomowenflood]

It gets crunchy fast eh?

[@enridemi3886]

I tried it, but it doesn't sound that good on it's own if you want to meet loudness standarts and adding over it sounds overprocessed, it's nice but not nice enough. We're not there yet, no plugin does everything perfect

[@simonsherbourne]

Exactly!

[@busywl69]

Will be worth it at $29 USD.

[@MilliardBeats]

Where did you find that price??

[@malaclypse1409]

@@MilliardBeats They didn't

[@busywl69]

@@MilliardBeats Not yet. But one day it will be. PLugin market competition is brutal.

[@davelordy]

Agreed, otherwise you can get 99% of the way there with excitation, transient emphasis and a little subtle EQ.

[@cachelesssociety5187]

Maybe for a collector like me - I accumulate stuff just to re-try later.

[@kitsune_20023]

which daw is this?

[@malcomowenflood]

I use Pro Tools as my daw - but The God Particle plugin should work in any daw you’d like!

[@SchibbiSchibbi]

always mixing into it

[@EdgetoneStudios]

What was your typical mixbus plugin chain before trying the God Particle?

[@malcomowenflood]

It varies but usually ProQ into a 2bus comp like Townhouse comp, inflator and a limiter are pretty much mainstays. I add and subtract things all the time though, but that compressor is there very very early in the process

[@EdgetoneStudios]

@@malcomowenflood Ian McElroy introduced me to the Newfangled Audio plugins. Elevate ends up on my mixbus consistently now.

[@malcomowenflood]

I’ve got the Newfangled plugin bundle as well! They make great stuff!

[@RPMusicStudios]

Great demonstration! It definitely brings some excitement and dimension to the mix.

[@psyzmech9044]

How does it compare to Ozone?

[@klaurcschwackerberg1880]

No compare

[@BarkingForBroccoliBG]

I like this song it's like Paramore mixed with Avril Lavigne

[@malcomowenflood]

I like it too! Big fan of Darrian Gerard!

[@modiggidybeats]

The plug-in was in bypass the first half of the video or am I tripping???

[@malcomowenflood]

The first examples were printed mixes - one with the plug-in on it, and the other without (I explain how they were both mixed off the top of the video if you’re interested. It’s relevant id say! Short version is that I mixed the song through The God Particle for example one, whereas we experiment with just placing The God Particle plugin right on a finished mix for the second example. So the bypassed plugin you are looking at is for the 2nd example song and isn’t relevant to the first example - hope that makes sense!

[@izzabeatss]

It takes SO much CPU its crazy

[@malcomowenflood]

I honestly haven’t noticed this to be the case, but my computers specs are pretty overkill for music production and mixing haha

[@floydb9100]

why did you mix into it rather than slapping it on the master?

[@malcomowenflood]

Mixing into my mix bus chain is my usual/preferred mixing method, and Jaycen Joshua also recommended this method when talking about The God Particle Plugin - so I figured I’d give it a shot! We had him on our podcast, The Self-Recording Band, but I also attended one of his masterclasses at Studioszene in Hamburg last year and he talked about why he mixes into the plugin as it informs his transient decisions along the way. I found that to be accurate when I did the same!

[@akeyunturned3580]

I could never get any reading on the high end meter. I can’t understand what those meters are for or if I should be trying to hit them a bit. All explanations I’ve heard on them make no sense. Kinda stopped using this plugin because of it tbh.

[@malcomowenflood]

I agree that the top end meter is pretty ridiculous - I can boost WAY too much into it and still not have any action there - so I just ignore it now (and use my Izotope Tonal Curve for that job instead).

[@midnightsocean2689]

Sounds like an exciter plugin alright. For 3 times the price of others no less. Can't say I'm aching for such a "deal". :/

[@oldschooljohnny]

Can you mix now?

[@Barncore]

I think you're in the honeymoon period. God Particle is a great plugin but it does "choke" the sound a bit. I've used it a lot, in mastering contexts too. It's easy to overcompress with it. I'm not as convinced that the GP version sounded better than your original mix. It def sounded cleaner and more "produced", more polished. But the original had more of a raw punk feel, which maybe matched the song better, depending on your preferences. If the GP mix sounds better, it's close. It's not a landslide win. It's not better it's just different.

[@malcomowenflood]

I like your perspective on this, thanks for the comment!

[@laddieervin]

I demoed The God Particle for about a week when it came out. For me, it made everything worse, in general. I still have no idea why so many KZbin music makers are in love with this plugin.

[@fablefactor]

Same here. It might be useful for people who don't already have a pro sounding mix/mastering routine but for me, it took my mixes back a few steps.

[@brandonbollingermusic]

agreed. It's 110 percent snake oil.

[@Dane_Riazer]

I would serious love to do a Zoom/SessionWire with you or @fablefactor to hear what you guys mixes sound like.

[@CaptainProton1]

Really try mixing into it and chilling with the built in limiter.

[@Rolanoid]

FYI there is a known band limiting issue with the plugin when working at sample rates above 44.1k

[@JuiceNZ]

When I opened this video I thought it was gonna be BS , exoecting the usual snake oil sh#t , but this is actually good... I thought your first mix was fine ...until you played the other one and it really came to life ..made the first mix sound dull

[@user-kb5os9sl9y]

Anyone could get the same results using OTT, so what's god about it?

[@SPD87327]

Ott? What not even close to what this plugin is doing lol 😂

[@user-kb5os9sl9y]

@@SPD87327 actually it is

[@wenglish1968]

Vocal sounds more lispy with it on tbh

[@malcomowenflood]

Hey all! First off, thanks for watching - I hope you enjoyed it! Second: thumbs up if you’ve demo’d a product and then had to buy it as a result 😅

[@hjortur]

You are selling a plugin. Good. All right. I don't buy it. I am a sound engineer and producer since 1974. Yes, a long time. I have been through the analog age and the digital age, and of course the transition. What you are doing here can be done using the stuck plugins in most daw's. I can hear what you do. I use my ears. Thank your for the video.

[@malcomowenflood]

Not selling, just sharing my experience using it. No sponsership or contact with the company about making this video whatsoever!

[@hjortur]

​@@malcomowenflood Point taken.

[@Dex01649]

@@malcomowenfloodYou had the creator of this plug-in on your podcast tho

[@tokyogamer5825]

Lmao what a dumb comment.

[@malcomowenflood]

Yep, Jaycen was on The Self-Recording Band Podcast when we were at Studioszene in Hamburg (great dude!) - but that doesn’t mean we struck a deal of any kind. He never sent us the plugin, asked us to talk about the plugin or anything. That chat just put it on my radar and I decided to check it out months later myself via the website!

[@prodjkid9822]

when will the video that will say I hate god partical lmao w vib cuaa

[@dama3509]

In Wavelab a Nightmare...

[@hostrow]

The mix still sounds flat. it’s brighter but still flat. I guess that it’s what everyone wants these days. Demo it with something that has dynamics.

[@GetSongsDone]

Off sounded better, but my ears are shot. Never trusted them anyway. All of my true peak limiters are 😢 from always being off.

[@pepper...]

It's no use! The results are sickening! Sonnox Oxford Elite, even after so many years the best!

[@siriusfun]

Indeed. I heard a similarity to the Inflator with the 2nd order harmonics in the upper mids and high end.

[@RealHomeRecording]

Blasphemous plug-in!

[@oldschooljohnny]

Lol

[@Reneromero08]

Sounds like multiband compression, exciter, and expander. Nothing special or new.

[@cckeysify]

Lol

[@unc1589]

The plugin game is getting desperate. The name alone targets itself to the intention of the end user as someone who is looking for a miracle. People who have respect for God will not use it. (That’s a lot of people.) But hey. We live in a free enterprise nation. Pedal on.

[@bonzology322]

every hear of the saying "cart before the horse"? Mixing into anything is a fools errand

[@malcomowenflood]

I’d have to disagree with you there, but you do you!

[@fablefactor]

You do you.

[@AndyMan-mr1hy]

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