I Don't Think That This Would EVER Work

[@SciManDan]

*** Get $5 off your next order through my link sponsr.is/magicspoon_scimandan_0724 or use code SCIMANDAN at checkout or look for Magic Spoon in your nearest grocery store! ***

[@johnray1956]

The issue Scimandan: the problem is that When your trying to get actual information on these kind of subjects, Many "Creationist" is former Evolutionist. Many "creationsit" scientist shun evolution totally from there mental frame. (the issue of being lied to about one thing, and assuming its all a lie). (evolutionary whistle blowers). With noah's ark issues you actually have to use sections from evolution that is the most credible (best solid evidence). that best explains noahs ark. Noah's ark actually does not have to collect all species. Noah's ark is lower down the evolutionary tree. example: we made 250 different breeds of Dogs that at one time came from a single breed of dog. So many land, sea, and air animals does have a common ancestor. also if you add adults then you run out of space really fast. So if we tried to do this today, Common ancestors, and smaller species of the animal we are trying to preserve. Today we can go even smaller, by storing the DNA< and needed parts on much smaller scales. The problem is that people dismisses an idea, until they themselves can produce the same results. Today many things in the bible as a whole seems fantasticly immpossible until our modern technology catches up. We study a biological process, and replicate that process into technology. We study in science how we can turn technological advantange into biological as well. Example: A being in a higher dimension has control over the lower dimensions. We today can create our own universes inside lower dimensions of space. paper, 1 dimension of space, a computer 2 dimensions of space. we create a 3d image on a computer by combining 2 dimensions together. Because we are in the 3rd dimension of space, we can't produce 11 dimentional results. Any miss-understood technology is viewed as magic, any biological function miss-understood is also viewed as magic. if a higher dimesional anything tries to enter our dimention it would destroy the universe. like us humans trying to enter a piece of paper. So a higher dimensional being has to do what we do now. creating a bridge between the two dimensions. i can type on this computer by using such a bridge. (technologically), but the princible is still sound. It's like taking a cup and placing it in the water, and assuming whales does not exist because there is no whale in the cup. This is the same argument flat earthers makes about the earth. flat earthers only sees less then 1%of the round of the earth, and thinks its flat. we don't have proof that we are the only lifeform in the universe, nevermind 11 dimensions of space. The problem with "Creationist" is that it's mostly dismissivce arguements, but does not give a scientific alternative.

[@RealBLAlley]

Pass. Mainstream cereal is healthier than that casein- and allulose-laden garbage that costs three times more.

[@NewBeginningNewCreation]

Have you ever given Jesus a chance dan?

[@-Thauma-]

Have you ever given Thor a chance? Or Osiris? Or Zeus? ​@@NewBeginningNewCreation

[@frederickvondinkerberg7721]

@@NewBeginningNewCreation why would he? it's complete fiction. If you don't think it is fiction then you are lying to yourself.

[@onewiththefreaks3664]

My most favourite part of the Noah's arch story is when after they finally landed again, the predators made the reasonable decision not to eat but to wait, until their prey had reproduced!🤷‍♂

[@MrCanis4]

And no grass in sight for weeks. What did the herbivores eat?

[@CrapE_DM]

The Bible explains this: Animals didn't eat other animals until after the flood.

[@MrCanis4]

@@CrapE_DM And what did they eat? All vegetation was gone too.

[@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286]

@@CrapE_DMWhere did the Bible say that?

[@titanomachy2217]

@CrapE_DM Creationists say that, but the Bible doesn't. Go ahead, read Genesis, it isn't hard, it's not that long.

[@rojh9351]

Star Wars fans arguing over points of lore have more credibility

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Unless they're fans of disney star wars in which case they're certifiably insane.

[@peterbrazier7107]

In 2000 years' time the dominant religion will be following the Force, instead of holy men it will be Jedis.

[@GhostofKittyKatDawg]

​@vinnyganzano1930 unless they're are grown adult getting upset that disney owns a franchise about space wizards made for 12 year old that people only cling to because of pure nostalgia. I'd say that was more insane

[@hreader]

Quite! Tolkien fans, too! In fact I suspect some Creationists would like to abandon all modernity and hi-tech and return to the rustic, ignorant idyll of Middle-Earth. Apologies to Tolkien fans - I like the books too especially LOTR but as practical living I fear The Shire would be mediaeval misery.

[@clem-lv2rw]

@@GhostofKittyKatDawg "nice" bait mate

[@accastillo6046]

🐏Im now going to use "Sheep" as a unit of measurement. My car is 3.5 sheep long and weighs 21.4 sheep while having an engine capable of 255 brake sheep power. 🐑

[@7Lace77]

Ahh a Ford F150? 🤔 I was going to say a VW Polo, or something silly, but that's only a couple of sheeps long (Sm) and probably less than 20 sheeps in weight (Sg). Unfortunately, not confident with my sheep power measurements (Sp).

[@ralpha112233]

Life of Brian: "Oh, he's making it up as he goes along!"

[@nmappraiser9926]

Consider the lily!

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

I'm not.

[@michaelschaedel1442]

He's having a go at the birds now!

[@danielwhiteley4821]

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy 😂

[@user-fg2qy3oc4c]

To quote Chief Brody: "You're going to need a bigger boat.".

[@LilMissMurder3409]

Whahaha

[@DreadX10]

To quote Pipi Longstocking: "I've never build a boat, so I think I can do it."

[@Kualinar]

And, another to feed the herbivores that can eat stored food. And at lest 2 to grow the food for the herbivores that can only eat fresh, often still growing, plants. And another to house the preys for the carnivores, plus one to feed those preys. And 4 to 5 more for the drinking water.

[@realityjunky]

Thank you. I LOVE proper usage of that exquisite line. Bravo on finding a perfect placement!🦈🛥💖

[@guillaumep.7206]

Religion wars is arguing about who has the best imaginary friend...

[@matthewsingleton1165]

@@guillaumep.7206 God HATES religion.

[@heiniknallkopp9688]

^this. So much this.

[@Soeck]

Its even Worse, since the 3 religions battling in our wester civilisation today argue about who is the imaginary friends BFF, because they all have the same imaginary friend

[@bewing77]

Sadly it’s not just arguing…

[@triumphant39]

Religions only relevance is cultural. Sadly abrahamic religion has no true cultural link to western civilization. Though the new testament tries to account for that issue, not to mention the many additions added by Catholicism. Still, it’s clear to say that for example Zoroastrianism was a lot less idiotic and malignant to ancient Iranian society than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are to modern society.

[@zeusnitch]

Man, any time the logistics of Noah's ark comes up I can't help but think of the "Far Side" comic where Noah's like "Ok, we're gonna do this in alphabetical order", and the zebras think "Damn!"

[@ceejay0137]

You Tuber Non Stamp Collector has a couple of hilarious videos on his channel about Noah and his sons trying to load all the animals into the Ark. Well worth a look IMO.

[@ozemale6t928]

Do you think the Aardvarks chose to spell their name that way so they got on board first? Clever critters.

[@helmuttrzoska4572]

Placing the ants nearby the anteaters. Good joke.

[@inrainbows1829]

Far Side comics were genius

[@OnASeasideMission]

​@@inrainbows1829Welcome to Hell. Here's your accordion.

[@thomasowens5824]

I love how they feed off each others insanity.

[@nickryan3417]

When the only technique is to lie, lie, lie, twist words, lie, manipulate, make more stuff up, lie, twist more words... it just needs an echo chamber of stupid to operate in. These literalistic theists provide the perfect echo chamber to back each others lies and manipulations up.

[@tinysim]

I will never understand why people cling to mythology so desperately.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Reality frightens them. They cannot change reality, so they change themselves and try to change others into themselves.

[@freezingcathedral]

as your profile pic is a symbol of that same mythology.

[@tinysim]

@@freezingcathedral It's a band logo. I don't believe in gods and demons.

[@PeerAdder]

This is literally insane. Twisting everything to fit a pre-determined conclusion is *_not_* the hallmark of rational thought.

[@carportshenanigans5918]

I agree, observational sciences are out of control.

[@leif12345]

Wait until you hear about politicians.

[@jumpman8282]

@@carportshenanigans5918 Dude, science is about trying, trying, and trying again, but ultimately failing to debunk the hypothesis, not about strenuously bending the truth until the hypothesis magically fits a made up world view. Get your things straight.

[@Chatinbed]

It is like arguing how many presents can fit in Santa's sleigh. Pure hypothetical and useless.

[@LilMissMurder3409]

I wonder if Noah made a list and checked it twice.

[@MattyEngland]

Or how many golf clubs and electric cars fitted on the moon landers

[@rafetizer]

Not many, actually. Santa's got a bandpass box slammin some 1000W twelves back there, so realistically he can only fit about ten large presents and a bag of stocking stuffers. Fortunately his sleigh is fast as shit so he just makes a lot of trips.

[@segakebegoy]

Everyone knows Santa can carry presents for the whole world....but only if your a good boy/girl. Lol

[@PeerAdder]

@@MattyEngland you can actually see a moon lander and work out the answer to that yourself.

[@karaperrio-du5gs]

Surely two Diplodocus (60 tons) and two Brachiosaurs (70 tons) and a couple of Argentinosaurus's (140 tons) and 130ft would make this ark a bit crowded?

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Seriously? You’d take juveniles not adults.

[@EricLS]

@@jerrymyahzcatah yes, how foolish of this person, just bring parentless babies OBVIOUSLY Guess that’s why they went extinct, never learned from any adults how to live

[@Foolish188]

​@@jerrymyahzcatWhere in the Bible does it say that? You are not allowed to make up your own Scripture, cause that is a quick way to Hell.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@Foolish188 I never said anything about what is written in the Scriptures did I? No. Nor did I make up my own. I said You’d take juveniles. We know the size of the Ark as that IS in the Scriptures. So you’d not take a full grown Diplodocus or Brachiosaurus would you? No cos they wouldn’t fit. God brought the animals To Noah so he’d have provided specimens that Would fit. And each according to their Kind so there’s not that many Kinds of Dinosaur.

[@carportshenanigans5918]

@Foolish188, well at least you’re living up to your username. Where in the Bible does it say the largest of adult animals were gathered together? Oh it doesn’t. It’s common sense guy. If you have 1 pair of a particular type of animal, you’d want a young pair with a long breeding future ahead of them.

[@Hans_P_G]

CHRISTIAN CREATIONISTS REJECT SCIENCE BUT BELIEVE: -A donkey talked - A man lived in a fish - A woman turned to salt - A snake talked - A man rode a tornado to heaven - The sun stood still for a day -Hundreds of thousands of animals lived on a 500' boat - Zombies wandered around Jerusalem - A disembodied hand scribbled on a wall at a party -Half a trillion cubic miles of water fell as rain for 40 days - Water droplets didn't refract light before the time of Noah - Blowing a horn and yelling will make city walls collapse - Plants grew before there was sunlight Because stories invented in the heads of Bronze Age desert dwellers say it happened that way!

[@davidgardner863]

Just to name a few.

[@michaelwhipple347]

LoL... I know it doesn't make sense to you, but that's what you choose to believe. I believe in supernatural things, but they have an explanation. The problem is that you want exact tangible proof and you can't have that, so you dismiss it. But you're willing to create a philosophical narrative about science then call it "logic" LoL 🤣

[@michaelburk9171]

"mysterious ways" does some very heavy lifting

[@michaelfox2433]

@@michaelwhipple347 You think believing in claims that have not a shred of supporting evidence for them is somehow more intellectually honest and "smarter" than only accepting that which can be shown to be true through evidence and repeatable independent testing. You can't actually believe you possess the high ground with that nonsensical argument.

[@michaelwhipple347]

@@michaelfox2433 I could show you claims all day and it wouldn't matter. I don't care who is smarter. I just think it's not respectful to crap on things people hold sacred. I am not here to convince anyone of anything. People who hold to science generally don't think outside things that can't be proven logically. I love intelligent conversations, but when someone hates you because of what you believe, then that's the problem for the other person that I just simply have to deal with. Just wish atheists practiced what they believe. Trying to make the world a better place through "logic". Oversimplified, but this the KZbin comment section

[@LordAnorak]

They think the Flintstones is a documentary...

[@1975Stang]

Wait......what are saying?

[@1975Stang]

Don"t ruin my childhood

[@mre6330]

Wiiiilmaaa yabba dabba dooo.😂

[@Convoy00X]

The Flintstones takes place in the future.

[@LilMissMurder3409]

Forward-looking science fiction, you mean....

[@dougdavis8367]

What I do not understand is why they do not just say it was a miracle, that’s how they normally get around explaining problems

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

Lmaooo that would be so much simpler. Just say god magicked it all in place and mic drop. 😂

[@gpetheri]

People seriously believe that shit???

[@Sparkbomber]

Humans have infinite capacity for stupidity, unfortunately.

[@janhansen554]

Sadly yes.

[@k.h.1587]

Yes and they vote for Trump

[@N0d4chi]

@@k.h.1587 Yea quite sad. Selective cognition. Say the adulterer, cheater, scammer and such stands for christian values. Pretty shitty values then lol

[@Katie-hh9eu]

The speaker of the US house believes this shit. Send help.

[@flatnose2759]

Why don't they just make their story slightly less stupid by saying dinosaurs went extinct before the flood?

[@M_Alexander]

Because that would mean a whole bunch of animals were going extinct when the Earth was only a few hundred years old

[@MrCanis4]

Then they have to admit that something is wrong in god's creation. Well, of course they can't do that, can they?

[@goswinvonbrederlow6602]

Didn't you listen? Because the Bible mentions an animal they believe to have been a dinosaur in parts written after the flood.

[@alexanderpoplawski577]

@@MrCanis4 If you have to scratch all mankind except five people, extinct dinosaurs are the least of your problems.

[@ats-3693]

They can't, because dinosaur fossils are found in the the sedimentary rocks that creationists insist were deposited by the great flood, and if they admit that those rocks and the dinosaur fossils found in them are from before the flood then that starts indicating that the world is older than the bible indicates, but then the fact that human fossils are never found along with dinosaur fossils in the same sedimentary sequences is also a big problem for them but they have several wacky work arounds and excuses for that.

[@john1951w]

Two grown men in the 21st century discussing fairy tales. Frightening stuff.

[@kengumiran1134]

Noah could have fit a bunch of dinosaurs in a fake can of shaving cream.

[@zeusnitch]

Yeah, but the dilophosaurus probably would've eventually done him in on a spell of 40 rainy days and nights of rain

[@jimcottee9187]

That's gotta be it. God's magic turned all animals into the size of mice, or even tardigrades.

[@AnnoyingMoose]

Kengumiran1134, kengumiran1134! We got kengumiran1134 here!! See? nobody cares!

[@nmappraiser9926]

Clever girl!

[@freezingcathedral]

​@@jimcottee9187read the book again.

[@tubruton]

Because of the stress of being on the ark, the dinosaurs turned into flying kangaroos. When the waters receded, the roos each grabbed a koala and flew to Australia. Later, they sinned so Jesus took away their wings. It's just common sense.

[@johankaewberg8162]

Are you a Mormon? 😊

[@jimcottee9187]

Sorry mate, I made up a comment almost the same as yours, before scrolling down for the good bits.

[@philmenzies2477]

That's all very well and good. But you don't explain the Wombats?

[@andystokes8702]

That's all well and good but what about the two species of marsupial moles, Notoryctidae found only in Australia. They max out at 6 inches and yet somehow after the flood they managed to burrow their way back to Australia. Regardless of the route they had at some point to burrow under the Indian Ocean for several hundred miles. I wonder where they put the spoil as the dug forwards? What did they eat while doing this?

[@dragoncubes1074]

@@philmenzies2477 Or the echidna. Never forget the echidnas.

[@chrisanslow]

So they start saying they don’t know the size of the Ark, and then say the bible tells us the size of the Ark…. Make that make sense !!

[@Connection-Lost]

The funny thing is the bible describes it as a square raft with tall walls, not at all like a ship or boat. The word ark itself has never meant a boat. It means a box.

[@protoborg]

@@Connection-Lost Unless the Ark of the Covenant was in fact a miniature boat.

[@freezingcathedral]

cubit is based on the builder. you know how tall noah was?

[@mikotagayuna8494]

It amazes me how these two men who profess to be scientists and PhDs can reconcile their scientific rigor (if they even have it) with unsubstantiated fundamentalist tripe rather than reasonably conclude that the ark story is a metaphorical tale about wickedness and obedience written for an ancient audience.

[@johnspencer2914]

There are some who become rigorous to get these PHDs and then figure there is more money to be made out of gullible Christians than there is with real science. It is easier and cheaper to produce nice sounding bullshit than real science. The day that reverses, we would see them saying "oh, the bible is just an ancient text, here is the real science".

[@ogri214]

In this case PHD refers to a Pizza Hut Delivery. LOL

[@libbytaylor84]

Except that modern audiences think that it's a literal, true story. If everyone realized it was always meant to be a metaphor there would be no issue.

[@chrisgrill6302]

Of course I agree with you but I find it hard to make the case that these tales were written as metaphors for anything. I'm not sure about the Noah story specifically but look at the Adam and Eve story, Cain and Abel, and the way the story goes on page after page after page listing exact family lineages. What is all that about - it's not a metaphor for anything! I think these stories were actually written as what they thought was real history and pretending that they are metaphorical is just "excusagism". Quite apart from that: different sects interpret these things as having different messages - how is it that the all-powerful God of the universe doesn't even seem to have the power to communicate clearly; why do we have to argue about any of this at all?

[@distinctdipole]

If I was the awarding organisations, I'd be recinding their qualifications for so publicly failing to science and immediately reviewing procedures to make sure such a f-up doesn't happen again.

[@fumblztv8979]

Those two guys taking an academic approach to a fantasy story was hilarious.

[@mastone3609]

"Academic"

[@claritystarthorne4159]

Thanks to their arguments, I am now picturing an ark full of angsty teenage dinos..

[@fenior]

If someone brings up the bible as evidence for anything they are delusional

[@distinctdipole]

Only delusional? I'd go with batshit crazy!

[@Riverrockphotos]

Yeah and now they are going to force it to be taught in schools. What could go wrong.

[@MichaelDeakin-or8yu]

The Bible is a CLAIM. It is NOT the evidence

[@michaelfox2433]

Anyone that tries to use the "claim" they are arguing for as the "evidence" for said claim, regardless of the subject, is by definition not only intellectually dishonest but also a fucking moron.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@Riverrockphotos Muslims will be angry their mythbook is getting no time; just the Judaic mythbook.

[@ashhawk2346]

I believed in Santa Claus longer than i did in the Noah's ark story..

[@KrazyTheiA]

When I asked these type of questions as a child, the most common answer was: god works in mysterious ways. I was 8 when I realized the truth. My religious family was not pleased

[@HatstandTuesday]

My brother and I got kicked out of Sunday school for asking too many questions. I was really happy when the same priest turned up to teach my primary school religious ed class the following year. I was immediately kicked out of RE too.

[@matthiasbreiter4177]

Besides the space to fit the animals, the amount of food storage would be crazy as well.

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

And they still need room for adequate toilet facilities.

[@zeusnitch]

No, it was a battle royale and everyone ate each other so only the best survived; that's why so many animals went extinct...RIP

[@minmo2288]

Saw someone do the maths on baby elephants and 40 days of food and water for just those 2 would have took up like 40% of the ark 😂

[@MrCanis4]

They can go to a medium sized zoo. Asking how many people are needed, how much food is needed and how much space is needed to keep even, eu, a few hundred animals alive.

[@LilMissMurder3409]

Dooood you can accomplish any act of bullshit if you have bebbe haysoos on your side.

[@bradstone2898]

Noahs Ark: the ultimate game of moving the goalpost

[@nmappraiser9926]

There were two goalposts on the ark, so the carnivores and herbivores could play rugby.

[@secretweapon7764]

How does someone get a PhD in Chemistry without understanding how the scientific method works?

[@samuelbrisseau2694]

I think he knows that... He just figured out selling BS books to uneducated people is much more lucrative than real science...

[@EricLS]

All you need is to finish the steps to the point of someone approving the thesis. You don’t need to ever understand anything, just get the right answers.

[@thomasshipley4516]

I could be wrong but I don’t think his phd is in chemistry

[@galmud1508]

When young earth creationists claim "Noah only took one of each family not every species" that means all the million of species we see today, evolved over just a couple of thousand of years. So consequently they must believe in extreme rapid evolution.

[@h14hc124]

Creationists wildly underestimate the time required for evolution, but they do often talk about a concept where animals are allowed to 'evolve' from a common ancestor of the same "kind", so dogs can evolve from wolves, and Darwin's finches are allowed to evolve from parent finches (of course, humans are not allowed to evolve from apes), and they claim that all the DNA required was already present in the 'parent' kind, because god put it there or something. it's an obviously desperate attempt to address the fact that we can see evolution occur in real time in bacteria, but we never directly observe a multicellular species giving rise to another one, and of course that's because evoution is a painfully slow and directionless process.

[@michaelfox2433]

@@h14hc124 No argument fails quite like a creationist argument that tries to utilize science to support it.

[@maksymisaiev1828]

the simple question without an answer - inbreeding. Family which starts from 2 people will die out probably in 4-5 generations if no new members will appear. Maybe chances will be good and they survive 6-7 generations, but still they will die out. So even evolution is out of question.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@h14hc124Nothing evolves from anything. Evolution is a myth. All dogs came from a single pair. That’s not evolution. They started as dogs and ended up as dogs. No evolution.

[@roscius6204]

It's even worse. Given we know the animals in the early Egyptian times, they must have already evolved by then.

[@M_Alexander]

"Our proof is our speculation" is such a common thing on these things

[@jamiethejummer]

My favourite part of the bible is how the stress of managing the ark turned Noah into a raging alcoholic.

[@lbernau]

To quote Eddie Izzard: "Did he put two of every animal on the boat?. No. How can I be so sure? Try it"

[@privateinformation2960]

now ask him about two of everything now and see if he agrees with his previous assessment.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

​@@privateinformation2960Aye he's gone a bit off the deep end recently.

[@MattyEngland]

More chance the ark happened than the moon landings 😂

[@tma2001]

@@MattyEngland or that space is real!

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@privateinformation2960 Aye he's gone a bit doolally in recent years.

[@justincredible.]

No mention of nearly all fishes that would have died because of mixing of salt and freshwater? And nearly ALL plants would have died, being submerged for so long?!

[@LilMissMurder3409]

"God works in mysterious ways". You can explain any kind of nonsense if you invoke magic.

[@garypellerin5576]

These guys never saw what the aftermath of a flood looks like. The carnivores probably had an easy time of it for a while.

[@andystokes8702]

@@garypellerin5576 It rained for 40 days and nights but it took a year for the waters to recede and everybody to disembark. Good luck eating animal flesh that's a year old.

[@CortxVortx]

As for plants, the bullgoose loony of the creationist movement, Henry M Morris, claimed plants weren't affected because they are merely "complex chemical replicating systems." The sheer self-deceptive cluelessness of his using this phrase has stuck with me for 40 years.

[@UNaMon]

Glad someone else brought up freshwater fish - poor little buggers. That would need a lot of fish tanks. What about collecting them all, does the Bible mention how long he took to fetch the Kangaroos and Koalas? Never mind returning them all afterwards.

[@hatefuleightyseven2962]

Once upon a time, their were three little quadrupeds, who built their domestic dwellings out of unspecified building materials of varying effectiveness.

[@johncnorris]

How did all the fresh water fish, like the ones in the Great Lakes of North America, survive the flood?

[@matthiasbreiter4177]

on the Ark in the swimming-pools of cause

[@sourisvoleur4854]

Magic. Same way all the Australian-specific animals got from Turkey to Australia. And for some reason none ever dropped off along the way and took up residence.

[@RavenFilms]

Don’t ask questions. The answer is always “because God”, duh!

[@0066keith]

Sea World Ark

[@dtg7957]

That's a very good question!!!😀👍

[@Immortal628]

I love how all the carnivores just didnt eat for 40 days and nights, then continued not eating until the other animals could increase their numbers through tons of inbreeding. Great story.

[@DD-qq8sn]

Agreed, but the forty days and nights was just how long it rained for, not how long they were on the boat. That was closer to a year. Which makes your point even more salient of course.

[@Immortal628]

​@@DD-qq8sn That is an excellent point.

[@kenbrown2808]

and I love how people on both sides cherry pick only the points they want to take out of context. and often end up making the same claims, from both sides of the argument. you know, like the religious claim that carnivores didn't exist, yet; while evangelical vegans claim that any animal can live on a vegan diet.

[@DD-qq8sn]

@@kenbrown2808 Agreed, I would love to see a leech or mosquito exist on a vegan diet 😋🤣

[@kenbrown2808]

@DD-qq8sn wait. Is that a plant based diet, or a diet of vegans?

[@Madbeef878]

I'm dying from laughter here. How can two grown men post this on the internet and not feel complete and UTTER fools? Oh boy, thanks for this Dan.

[@Rob2000]

If you take: 1) the size of an average animal on the ark as a sheep. 2) They are all herbivores. 3) There is only one very small window. It is very simple to calculate when they will all die of amonia poisoning and when the ark will blow up because of the buildup of methane. I once did the calculations : they are first blownup (about 3.5 days) and then they die of poisoning (5 days).

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

I remember seeing another article pointing out the fact, that you can only build a wooden boat as big as a galleon. Anything bigger, like the ark, would be bent and twisted so much by the motion of the waves, that the wooden vessel would shatter.

[@dogwalker666]

True, Plus his lumber bill would have been horrendous.

[@az8theist977]

When Bill Nigh debated Ken Ham, he brought up this very same subject. Check it out, Bill made a marvelous argument against wooden boats that large. Not seaworthy at all.

[@nigelm5777]

I saw somewhere that the boat included iron reinforcement, 2000 years before the Iron Age!

[@pyotrberia9741]

Biggest wooden ship ever built was the Wyoming in 1909. 350 ft (110 m) by 50.1 ft (15.3 m).

[@simongiles9749]

@@pyotrberia9741 Which as I recall needed to be constantly pumped out to stop it foundering because it was so leaky. Maybe there's some magical property to whatever "gopher wood" is.

[@alexhajnal107]

00:16 _"Were there dinosaurs on the ark?"_ There were, at least, a raven and a dove so yes, there were.

[@Enigma_Real]

Legend says, he wanted to bring 2 T-Rex on the Arche, but never came back.

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Hey come on my big brother saw T-Rex at the Glasgow Apollo. Lucky bastard🙁

[@titanomachy2217]

And that's what happened to Noah's purple-skinned son, Glubglab. He would have given rise to a mighty purple race, but sadly he got eaten by a T rex.

[@--Snowy--]

​@@titanomachy2217Glubglab? 🤣

[@freezingcathedral]

arch?

[@Sponge1310]

They’re just cherry picking the stuff that fits their delusional narrative.

[@ianstopher9111]

I came here to check whether anyone had mentioned cherries.

[@MattyEngland]

Just like golf-mooners. They ignore all common sense and logic, and just start banging on about the USSR and the cold war.

[@stephenhood2948]

@@MattyEngland What is a golf-mooner?? Never heard the term.

[@federicogiana]

@@stephenhood2948 Let me throw in a wild guess: the guy is a deluded conspiracy theorist who is trying to make fun of the rest of the world population because they accept an astronaut throwing a golf strike on the Moon.

[@PeerAdder]

@@federicogiana yes, that makes sense.

[@Kram_Farkel]

Koalas only eat Eucalyptus leaves and sleep for 23 hours a day. We are led to believe that they travelled from the Middle East to Australia with no food and cross a 35 kilometre ocean (Wallace's line) in a few thousand years.

[@thedarkknight1971]

I'm a SOLID Atheist, but, for me, I guess The Ark was PART BOAT & PART TARDIS to have worked (to have 2 of every kind of animal + the food for each + the food for 'The crew').. The size of that boat WOULD NOT have been able to hold A PAIR OF EVERY KIND of animal + their food for the 40 days/40 nights (and now Dinosaurs too?). FACT. The inside WOULD HAVE had to be larger than the outside! 🤣🤣🤣

[@grahvis]

Worse than that, not food for forty days, but at least one hundred and fifty days. Add to that, the animals would have left the Ark to face a dead world covered in a layer of mud with no available food to eat.

[@Zahaqiel]

The _rain_ was for 40 days and 40 nights, and according to the people who think it's literal, dumped enough water to bring the oceans up to almost aircraft cruising height. The amount the ark could carry is probably less of a concern than the tensile strength of the wood being able to not be pulverised by a quantity of water so vast it'd melt the surface of the planet from the kinetic impact of that much deposition.

[@zeusnitch]

Do you know many TARDISes and Mary Poppins bags you could cram into 450000 cubic cubits? You gotta save the main space for the big animals, but you can just shove the small animals into a phone box or purse, depending on size.

[@lidbass]

Don’t forget that it only had one small window for all the methane (and other gas) produced by the animals to exit. Noah and family would have suffocated within hours.

[@dogwalker666]

The animals were held in the transporter buffer, The ark was actually the USS Enterprise! Makes more sense than the BuyBull.

[@MikeOfKorea]

I was taught in church that dinosaurs died in the Flood. I didn't know there were even crazier people than my church.

[@GloberMom]

I actually saw boxes of Magic Spoon cereal in a grocery store where I live in the U.S.

[@dr_ned_flanders]

There wasn't an Ark so, no.

[@justincredible.]

There wasn't a flood

[@M_Alexander]

I mean there might actually be evidence of a large (local) flood and we don't know that some guy didn't build a big ol boat and herd a bunch of livestock into it. Or maybe a boat was found in a weird place after a flood. Stories tend to come from somewhere

[@dogwalker666]

@@M_Alexanderit’s from the Epic of Gilgamesh

[@maozedong8370]

@@justincredible. Well, it could be a passed down story of a flood in a given area especially after all the ice melt at the end of the ice age. NOT a global flood and there was NO ark, but that story could have been passed down theoretically as floods do happen all the time, especially around rivers where early humans settled.

[@dr_ned_flanders]

​@@M_Alexander yes but only in the same way that we don't know there isn't a yellow teapot on Mars.

[@jaszicus]

This goes beyond mental gymnastics, its contortionism. The way Dr Sarfati's eyes roll while hes thinking are testament to that. Testament.. get it? I'll get my coat

[@rodrigomunoz6496]

I have lost faith in humanity listening to these clowns

[@philipgraham1540]

This is a BSc, and a PhD chatting seriously about this bullshit. How the hell did they get those qualifications?

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

Prize in a cereal packet.

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Diploma mill colleges?

[@-_James_-]

Because being intelligent and being batshit crazy, sadly, aren't mutually exclusive.

[@privateinformation2960]

... dont know if you noticed, but most university degrees are a complete f*cking joke now. so it doesnt surprise me.

[@reinhardtreinsch2923]

Because they made the PhD/BSc in baraminology 😂

[@John-yl4tj]

I just don't understand how someone can be an adult and still believe in fairy tales.

[@tubruton]

We've got lots of adults convinced their favorite politician was sent by God while the other team is evil. Sadly, they vote.

[@LilMissMurder3409]

The Abrahamic religions are VERY adept at instilling guilt and self-hatred for any acts of critical thinking or doubt. It gets skull-fucked into us from an early age.

[@MattyEngland]

😂😂😂 99.99% of people who watch this channel, still believe in the boomer fairytale about the moon landings 😂

[@UpEnginesLeeBuggers]

@@MattyEngland Very true haha.

[@Redspeciality]

@@MattyEnglandnot a fairytale, we did it. My uncle worked for Gruman and helped develop the lunar excursion module, which I got to see

[@martinfinn1550]

There is replica of Noah's ark they built at an attraction called the Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky. They should try to sail that on the sea to find out if it will sink or float. While it looks impressive in the photographs, one still has to ask how could they fit a male and female of the entire worlds animal species into it? It is impossible.

[@blooper_01]

This guy should have his Ph.D. revoked immediately. This is an absolute embarrassment.

[@0066keith]

I heard one person say that fossils are fake and were created in factories. 🤷😂

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Probably Chinese factories, those buggers fake everything, unfortunately they built the factories out of tofudrek concrete and they fell down😉

[@MrCanis4]

When I was a child, about 50 years ago, we were told that god had put it there to test our devotion. 😂

[@twostate7822]

Yep, true story. I used to work for a company that took those fossils and buried them in mountains and deserts so archeologists could find them, kind of an Easter egg hunt for scientists.

[@0066keith]

@@twostate7822 😂😂

[@alt1579]

Here is an example of the insidiousness of creationists: Dr. Sarfati has a PhD which they will happily display, as if it gives weight to what they're saying. "This guy has a PhD so he's smart, he must know what he's talking about!" When you look closely, the man has a PhD in physical chemistry, a field entirely outside of anything relevant to evolution. He is highly knowledgeable in the area of superconductors, but has no clue about evolutionary biology or anything else related. He's just as ignorant as the next layperson. It's disgusting and I sincerely think that anyone with a PhD who is proudly proclaiming anti-scientific nonsense should be scrutinized and, in very extreme cases, even lose their PhD.

[@monkeyslovewand]

He was also New Zealand national chess champion on 2 occasions! So he clearly has a brain or something resembling a brain. Yet he is clearly in love with his Asian boy pet so like any good pervert has taken up the bible, which in his twisted bible world is a one-way ticket to the hot place. Forgot Dinosaurs I'd like to know how the hell the fish and aquatic creatures survived what with fresh and salt water mixing together?

[@kekkomartin5848]

I actually reject that. I have a BS in chemistry, and I had 3 years of Biology between high school and college, and 2 years of biochemistry as part of my degree. I know a lot more than the average layperson about evolution and evolutionary processes. A Ph.D SHOULD know even more. I severely question this guys credentials, Note that in the 1 paper sourced on his wikipedia page he is the 4th author. In scientific journals, the order of listings of the authors is indicative of how much they contributed to the overall paper, in descending order. so only 1 guy contributed less to that paper than he did

[@JontysCorner]

Here's my ark question. Where did he keep the termites? 😏

[@dragoncubes1074]

He he he he. Very good.

[@h14hc124]

Next to the anteaters.

[@alexanderpoplawski577]

If I were Noah, I would have smashed those two mosquitoes when God didn't look.

[@UweKeim]

Even after all these years, I cannot get my head around that grown-up humans discuss their fairy tale book as if this was some real event happening in the past. To me, this is way beyond insanity.

[@einienj3281]

I can only imagine how disappointed ancient Greek atheists would be to know that we are still battling with imaginary beings..

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

I went to a catholic school, was suspended for days for stating that the bible belongs in the fiction part of the library. Want to see a priest lose his mind, ask for a verifiable fact from the bible.

[@benjamindover5676]

It's sad that they lie to children.

[@oscarsotelo8548]

it's sad they teach this to children

[@Connection-Lost]

@@oscarsotelo8548 that what they said

[@Codswallop58]

Is worse that they lie to themselves

[@jerrysmith7705]

They do worse than that. They tell children that they'll burn in hell for eternity if they don't believe what they're told to believe. It's child abuse.

[@lindsayboe4914]

There was no ark, no global flood.

[@tommyblais7246]

Ark ...no., but global flood ....Yes

[@yippieyayey]

Reports of a global flood are there to be found all around the world.

[@furycarnategaming]

​@@tommyblais7246 ok what is the division for you then?

[@sourisvoleur4854]

Could have been some local schnook who packed his barnyard animals onto a raft and rode out a local flood. Then the tale grew in the telling. And grew. And grew.

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

@@tommyblais7246 NO evidence for a global flood!

[@chrislyonm]

wouldn't fitting 300 sheep in a trailer require them to be stacked up on top of each other like lawn chairs?

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Pretty much which is why animal rights activists don't like seeing them transported like that.

[@lidbass]

There are three or four floors, so, yes, the sheep are stacked on top of each other. Kind of. Of course, the maximum time that the sheep can remain in these conditions is something like about fourteen hours, because then they have an annoying tendency to die. Even on relatively short journeys of a few hours you can expect some losses. Now imagine living in those conditions for almost half a year….

[@MattyEngland]

If boomers could fit an electric car on the moon lander, then they could fit sheep on the ark.

[@h14hc124]

That's what makes this such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

[@John_Smith_60]

@MattyEngland Your statement will only make sense when young Earth creationists can create a sheep that can be bolted to the side of the ship and can survive the vacuum of space.

[@john1951w]

How did a bloke in the desert with no history of building boats manage to build such a huge wooden structure?

[@darkshadow9291]

I am 51 and grew up on a farm I have seen over 1000 cows and 150 horses in a field and it can get cramped when you go to corral them to give shots no way 16000 animals were on a non-existent wooden boat

[@vinnyganzano1930]

I'm 59 and while I didn't grow up on a farm I did spend many summers on my uncles' farms in Ireland. I'd like to know how they got a single bull aboard given how touchy those buggers can be.

[@moon_wobble7782]

@@vinnyganzano1930American bison would have been really difficult to approach. And what about the moose? Wait, Noah had no idea that the n American continent existed.

[@jimcottee9187]

It is written that a pair of kangaroos, each with a koala stuffed in the pouch, showed up to the ark. They too one look at the crowded conditions, said "Stuff that Mate" and hopped back home again.

[@nickryan3417]

Very true. It is written here on the Internet... just above my comment here, and therefore is totally and utterly true because I have just written here that because it is written here it is true. There - the exact same level of evidence as their bibles.

[@colleenforrest7936]

If you count birds as dinosaurs, there was that dove...😅

[@pascalostermann720]

And where were the kangaroos in the Ark? Were there a special compartment for marsupials?

[@h14hc124]

Marsupials with a special compartment ? I see what you did there.

[@Ianshandle999]

Three killer questions 1. What did everything eat after they got off the ark? 2. Why no fossilised humans found in the so called flood layers? 3. What happened to all the heat generated by all this geologic activity?

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Where is the sediment layer?

[@john1951w]

I just like the way penguins and kangaroos could get to the ark considering the distances involved and then get back to their natural environment after the flood.

[@rossallan3585]

Well, if we fudge the numbers, draw entirely arbitrary lines, make stuff up and don’t worry at all about the challenges of animal husbandry, feeding, mucking out, watering, getting enough air and not capsizing etc etc, then it totally happened. What do you mean “lots of civilisations all managed to drown but ignored it and continued on completely uninterrupted?

[@theofungi6562]

They had more buoyant wood back then. Don't make trees like they used to. Semi trucks floated better back in the day, apparently.

[@GNGFan21]

The ignorance and stupidity is over 9000!

[@jsmith5951]

It’s interesting to me that there were no Christians on the Ark.

[@philmenzies2477]

It was a 40 day cruise. In July. Nobody was worried about some jew in a manger

[@catelynh1020]

​@@philmenzies2477 Actually, a 40 day storm on a year long cruise. Stuck together with just your family, half of whom would be frequently depressed thinking about the death of their family if not all of you mourning your extended family.

[@jpdemer5]

Jews have been big fans of cruising ever since Noah invented it.

[@dustinclouse6888]

"Some jew in a manger" Man, that gave me a great laugh 😂😂​@philmenzies2477

[@63yearoldskater]

@@jsmith5951 it also, supposedly, happened about 2000 years before Christianity was a thing. Maybe I'm missing your joke?

[@adamstrange7884]

Heat problem and mud problem makes the flood impossible!

[@dragonhealer7588]

Not to mention, on a planet covered completely with water, to where does all that water "recede" as the Bible says?

[@ifly64s]

I have family who believe this stupidity. I can't even discuss it with them.

[@aybiss]

Why don't they just say it was magic? Conversation over, no need to spout a heap of lies that people can actually refute.

[@MattyEngland]

The same reasons people don't claim the moon landings were magic?

[@PeerAdder]

@@MattyEngland that's a bizarre comment, given that the moon landings were real (you do know that you can bounce lasers off the reflectors they left on the surface, and that more recent lunar orbiters have photographed the landing sites, or is all that fake too in your esteemed, infinitely well informed and scientifically justified opinion?) whereas the ark is a work of fiction (for which there is absolutely zero objective evidence at all).

[@Evan-k]

​@@MattyEnglandthe moon landings are real, the ark and the flood are fairytales ignorant children like you believe in

[@rooty]

​​@@MattyEngland they don't need to, there is scientific evidence and logic that explains literally every part of the moon landing. People who believe in the ark don't have any of that, and everything boils down to "well god did it" anyway, so there's no reason for them to go through the rigmarole of pseudoscientific explanation when they are demonstrably happy with magic as an explanation. Cut out the middle man.

[@amandawhen]

11:37 all dinosaurs find their level.

[@jimcottee9187]

Oh that's good. Really good.

[@robertk4218]

Around 12,000 animals and not one of them, male or female, was sterile. What luck!!

[@colind3639]

The "World" yacht, the largest residential cruise ship today holds 165 residents, and they think the Ark held 16,000 animals??

[@privateinformation2960]

... a cruiseship with only 165 residents is tiny. im not defending the ark here but yeah thats a small boat that.

[@h14hc124]

The largest cruise liner, the Icon of the Seas, which went into service in 2024, can carry a maximum of 2350 crew plus 7600 passengers, and is 364m long, 50m high, and has 20 decks. Just a little bit bigger than Noah's attempt.

[@michaelschaedel1442]

​@@h14hc124can I assume the average size of crew and guests is larger than a sheep?🤔

[@h14hc124]

@@michaelschaedel1442 You can assume anything you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Noah's Ark wouldn't have been able to carry all the animals and food unless the inside of the Ark was bigger than the outside.

[@thomasowens5824]

A perfect example of how being an expert in a specific thing does not mean you know anything in an other.

[@MrGnoux23]

No one can save an animal species with just a couple. Inbreeding is dangerous.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Not when the bloodline is pure.

[@becp488]

As an Aussie, it occurs to me that none of our native land mammals would have fit the biblical definition of "clean" and therefore be ok to eat. This would be true for quite a few other places as well. Why would God, who apparently made all of these animals and the native people who ate them, neglect to make sure they had access to clean animals? I'm pretty sure Indigenous Australians and New Zealanders didn't only eat fish and birds.

[@rexharrison6827]

Prior to European arrival, early Maori inhabitants probably did, though their diets may have been supplemented with seals and occasional whales. Oh, and of course, long pork! 😜

[@kev3d]

Yes but it was very courteous of Noah to deposit the Kangaroos and Koalas to Australia sometime after the flood.

[@catelynh1020]

Well, if you believe in the flood, noah took either 7 or 14 of every clean animal and then sacrificed some of each clean kind after getting on land again. Maybe the trek afterwards for the few remaining clean animals was just too much for them and they didn't make it back home. Or it's all bs, which i am more inclined to believe

[@jjohnston94]

Why would he make dirty ones in the first place?

[@ceejay0137]

"Dinosaurs went extinct because they wouldn't fit on the Ark and were all drowned in the Flood. This is clearly false." Yes, mate. The only true thing in that statement is that dinosaurs went extinct.

[@sophierobinson2738]

The older I got, the more reading and literature classes, the more I understood analogy, metaphor, and poetic license. I also realized people didn’t get around that much, so their world wasn’t all that big. So something like the dry Mediterranean suddenly being awash, that’s a world flood to them.

[@NeptunesLagoon]

It was from the Sumerians story of Utnapistim, a local flood to them…

[@arnarninson4413]

Growing up on a farm I could never figure out how they could keep predator animals in the same space as prey animals on the ark.

[@mikeremy2782]

I heard that somewhere in the Bible there's a passage that said GOD put a peace (or something along those lines) on all the animals that caused the cessation of predation among them during the voyage... I'm still looking for it. The main theme of Genesis is the Covenant of GOD and all living creatures on the Earth, including Mankind.

[@TJ-W]

@@mikeremy2782You’d think he’d pass some of that peace our way so we stop killing each other or ya know.. made us better in the first place. What a joke.

[@russbell6418]

@@mikeremy2782 I think that was a commentary from a rabbi that was copied into some Christian literature. I’ve encountered it, but I can’t recall where.

[@Ratciclefan]

These people must be insane tbh

[@johntuel2375]

Well, they do all collectively have the same imaginary friend, so some insanity has to be applied.

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

@@johntuel2375 You don't have to be insane. Knowing when to stick your fingers in your ears, and yell, "No! god is real! La, la, la!!!?" Is all it takes.

[@MattyEngland]

Yet you all believe boomers played golf on the moon with 1960s technology 😂 Every bit as dumb as the ark nonsense

[@UpEnginesLeeBuggers]

@@MadHax-wt5tl Like you guys do when people question the moon landings?

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

@@UpEnginesLeeBuggers Oh do shut-up.

[@bewing77]

It’s interesting to hear people discuss the details of something we know with certainty never happened.

[@MrL0wk3y.502]

I love how after the only two humans on earth were kicked out of the garden of eden, the first place they went was into a town full of people. 😂😂😂😂

[@freezingcathedral]

book, chapter, and verse?

[@MrL0wk3y.502]

@@freezingcathedral look it up yourself.

[@DaveFromColorado]

There were no dinosaurs on the ark, they missed their opportunity to get on, with the pegasus, the unicorn, the jackalope, and several others.

[@lidbass]

Thank goodness Noah conveniently ‘forgot’ the basilisk!

[@nightshade7240]

The Jackalopes and the unicorns were on board, along with the centaurs but Noah got peckish in the middle of the night and unfortunately the jackalopes and the unicorns became breakfast, lunch and dinner. The centaurs escaped by the skin of their teeth. We know that because in a story from the Orthodox traditions a saint was looking for another saint and he met a centaur along the way who told him the saint the saint was looking for was holed up in a cave. That's why we still see centaurs today.

[@tomcameron96]

If there's only two of each animal, wouldn't that cause havoc with inbreading?!?

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

Ditto Adam and eve, but it would go a long way to explaining why billions believe in various gods today! Could be the first piece of evidence for creation I would actually believe...

[@booboyBL]

Total balderdash, of course. As a matter of interest, I noticed a book in the background “Taking back Astronomy”. A google search shows this to be an ‘educational’ book looking at astronomy from a biblical perspective. Might be worth taking a look at that.

[@dragoncubes1074]

I'd like to see that.

[@ethribin4188]

There is a max size you can build a ship of wood, that still floats and isnt broken into bits by waves. Wood can only endure so much stress. So even if its unclear what "all kinds of animals" entails, theres a limit to the size of the arc.

[@piotrekgilewski8544]

IMO, there is NO LOGIC in religion.

[@RockinRobbins13]

There is lots of logic in religion. But logic and truth are only peripherally related.

[@gwryan1]

They are Truly reaching to fit Paleoethology into their misguided view of the Universe. So, according to them, Noah and his family where like 'The Flintstones'.

[@vinnyganzano1930]

And palaeolithic man had drive throughs and drive in movies, and used the big sauropods as cranes, no one tell Leo he's a fecking caveman YABBA DABBA DON'T

[@The_DarthWonka]

Im just completely flabbergasted at the commitment these people have to a literal story, a fabrication that has many points made that hold no place in reality. How do they act so smart and superior and yet they dismiss and ignore all the information from all the humans other than those that literally MADE UP the bible scriptures.

[@johnspencer2914]

Most of the literalists have a phycological fear that Christianity will fall unless everyone accepts that God told Moses the Genesis story meaning everything has to be created 6000 years ago. Because if you don't literally believe it, then you won't literally believe everything else. To them, everyone must be robots who see the bible as a giant program that must be followed to the letter.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

“But what if they weren’t full grown” kinda just feels like a straw man argument. Literally “yea we know it’s bullshit but I really wanna believe it ok”

[@colinritchie1757]

"This wasn't a fairly story" - oh really .. I'd beg to differ!

[@lidbass]

Well, it doesn’t have any fairies, so technically… What? Magic? Oh hell, yeah, loads of _magic_. As you were…

[@MattyEngland]

Moon landings were a fairytale too

[@UpEnginesLeeBuggers]

@@lidbass If the moon landings happened, then so could the Ark. Both magic

[@lidbass]

@@UpEnginesLeeBuggers Nope. Just because you are incapable of believing that the moon landings happened, doesn't meant that they didn't happen. There are mirrors on the moon right now that we can bounce lasers off. The technology you are using to interact with this comments section was partly developed because of the moon landings. No magic required; just a high school level understanding of physics. The Ark, on the other hand, is impossible if you have even a junior high understanding of physics. Now, if you want to believe in magic, that's fine by me. But please, for the benefit of humanity, try not to reproduce. Or vote. Thank you. (If you were being sarcastic, my apologies. It's not easy to tell in a YT comments section!)

[@Evan-k]

​@@UpEnginesLeeBuggerstake your meds

[@donnyriggz]

"I accept science when it's convenient for me, but reject it when it's not" -- them

[@DiamondCake2]

They also pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe too. Ridiculous.

[@ExO66-ken]

Next, we should discuss whether or not rudolph was an actual reindeer for Santa Claus or was he fictional 😂