I feel bad for Stannis...Watching GAME OF THRONES History and Lore season2

[@ilcineangolodialex5224]

In the books Stannis is even a greater and much well flashed out character full of struggles, principles and regrets. I fell in love with him instantly because no matter all the sorrows and injustice he suffered he continued to carry on and fight

[@andrewmcgill9544]

The best,!! I hope he somehow takes winterfell in the new book but then what?? They have to find rickon??

[@smexijebus]

"Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, and pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day."

[@chyawanprash]

-Donal Noye

[@Serryy]

Funnily enough, Stannis has proven Donal wrong multiple times thanks to Davos.

[@zoluhwa3508]

Renly is the copper rod that pokes the knight of roses

[@ancatdal]

@@Serryy Absolutely true! No doubt Donal Noye remembers Stannis as he was, before Davos. I wish he could have met Stannis again.

[@Polo-wk7zl]

If only Donal Noye knew about electricity.

[@nkijes24]

Stannis is one of my favorites, he doesn't get enough credit and according to the law of succession he is the rightful king.

[@krefulin8582]

Since they usurp the throne from Aerys there is no rightful heir to be honest. Renly makes a good point about that. Grenn (roberts bastard) has also a huge claim, it depends more on power really. But yeah, I like stannis too but I despise his new religion and the powers from Melisandre.

[@justbeyondmythoughts]

Anyone who wants throne is the rightful king dude. It's all about conquest and taking itm doesn't matter what you say unless it's yours

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@justbeyondmythoughts yea the " right to rule " is just a excuse nobles use to claim they are entitled to something when no man has any inherent right to anything especially not to rule over people that's something you earn not something that's given to you at birth.

[@nkijes24]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 No yeah I agree, it's like in our own world where nobles came up with "The Devine right of kings" which was pretty much just BS. I just like Stannis, but I think he would hate being king. He's not flexible at all. He's better suited to be a lord.

[@NANINANI-cs6rn]

And I think Stannis was only 19 old back then.the show did Stannis dirty but the most of the books readers Stannis is one of their favorites

[@hjalnelson9579]

Stannis IS the mannis afterall.

[@joelarson4334]

Ned would very much cut off Theons head if his father rebelled.

[@zandergamer5429]

Many people don't like Stannis because he doesn't have a likeable charisma (at least for most people) but I love his character and in all honesty he's the best candidate for the throne and also the rightful ruler by law.

[@newpgaston6891]

It's interesting that, as you say, the Tyrells are the ones who benefited the most from Aegon's conquest... At 34:32, there's an implication that the former King of the Reach MIGHT have asked the Tyrells for advice. So it's possible that the Tyrells gave bad advice and sent them to their (hopeful) death, so they would rise in power after that. Or as their words said, they would use that opportunity to "Grow strong"!

[@gypsysoul.]

Love that you are watching the lore Creates a greater appreciation and understanding:) Keep up the great work 🤩

[@newpgaston6891]

This is a question that caused many debates among the fans, what would Eddard do if Balon rebelled again? Sadly we'll never know now... But it's interesting to think about it! Eddard is a good person so we tend to think he wouldn't do something like that, but these were hard times... Where even good people had to make tough decisions. The thing is, if he doesn't do it, then what is the point of having a hostage in the first place? Also, it's worth noting that Eddard was 'one of a king' when it comes to Stark; AS he's the main Stark we've known it's easy to think of all Stark as honorable, good people, but most Stark in history were actually closer to his brother Brandon (wild, and reckless). Eddard's good and honorable nature likely comes from his time with Jon Arryn.

[@michelmorio8026]

3:25 one could see it that way… the other would be Robert made him Lord/Prince of Dragonstone and that’s the title of the heir to the throne under Targaryen rule and Robert at that time has neither wife nor children so he also made Stannis his (inofficial) heir 😉 From Stannis‘ POV of course he got robbed of his home, a bigger castle/influence and more income as the Lord of Storm‘s End is one of the 8 great Lordships of the 7 Kingdoms

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

I mean putting it to perspective Robert making stannes his heir is vary unlikely he said himself he doesn't love his brothers so I don't see him making stannes his heir especially considering he would have no problem making a hier himself ( cercis incest and cheating aside ) it's was probably out of obligation then genuinely considering him a hier.

[@michelmorio8026]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 well, Robert doesn’t have to like it… BUT by Westerosi law AND tradition, at that point, Stannis IS his heir and next in line without having Joffrey as „son“ and Stannis being the next oldest Baratheon brother! Point The Princes of Dragonstone are the heirs to the throne like the Prince of Wales or Dauphin are/were the titles of the heirs of the United Kingdom or France!

[@Vanillastump]

All the Starks of that generation are named wolves. Brandon, the Wild Wolf, Ned, the Quiet Wolf, Lyanna, the She-wolf, and Benjen, the Wolf Pup.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

I wonder what bran and rickon would be called we know the 3 oldest current starks wolf titles .

[@Vanillastump]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 The Wild Wolf 2? Or maybe the Feral Wolf? Shaggydog full-on attacks Measter Luwin, and everyone is afraid of him.

[@marcusanark2541]

Also the Tyrells played their part in the war very well, making sure they would benefit if any side won.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

As they say work smarter not harder

[@iconoclast6555]

The show portrayed Mace Tyrell as a complete idiot, but there's a line in the books that has remained to me throughout the years, "A wise man pretends that he is a fool"

[@A.ManAlone]

26:00 The subtitles are wrong, the lord of Seagard was Jason Mallister, not Lannister. The subtitles are wrong in a lot of places, actually.

[@alexmckee4683]

Yeah, atrocious subtitles. Good catch, I was about to comment the same :)

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

Sometimes the content itself is even wrong - season one lore videos claim the seat of the faith is the Sept of Baelor... like I get Oldtown isn't introduced until later in the series but they talk about the citadel being in Oldtown in the lore video, so there's really no reason not to mention the Starry Sept 🤷

[@Eldarr1]

Stannis would be the best choice for Westeros

[@demonic_myst4503]

would of been if he was the same old man from the war but his curent state he is a religous exstremist no better than putting the soanish inquisition incharge of a country in the modern world it be a tyranical shithole

[@maloneaqua]

Stannis is the true king

[@sadfaery]

I think his actions taken in devotion to the Lord of Light might be a bit problematic after a while, though.

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

@@sadfaery in the books he isn't religious, he just uses the red woman.

[@BlasphometicHermetic]

Stannis the mannis!

[@KaelVidos20]

And is for this that stannis is one of the most beloved characters in the books

[@andrewmarkland4231]

Thoros of Myr isn't introduced until Season 3. He is a priest of the same religion as Melissandre (hence the flaming sword). Way more chilled out than she is though.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Yes the hound believes that his brother killed their father , sister and many servants he thinks his brother killed anyone who he didnt like may it be his own sister or their father

[@Kayjee17]

Look at The Hound's face and see why he believes his brother killed anyone and everyone. If The Mountain could do that over a toy he was too old to play with, what would he do to a servant who made a mistake or a sister who did something he didn't like or a father who scolded him?

[@PezzaTheFlezza]

12:38 the realm prospered *according to the Tyrells*. They had a good time of it: far from the Crownlands, and very rich. The Starks lost their Lord and heir, Robert lost his betrothed, and many others suffered under the Mad King. It’s all a matter of perspective really!

[@demonic_myst4503]

wasnt talking purely the mad king 300 years without the seven kingdoms killing each other as soon as he was gone their was several rebelions and wars all problems now are a long term effect of the rebellion Your comparing actual prosperity to roberts possessivness and a indevidual families loss

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

She was talking about the 300 years of targaryen rule not arys rule but even then to claim it was all good is vary disingenuous , let's just forget about the dance of the Dragons civil war and the black fire rebellions that happened just before Roberts

[@holypaladin4657]

@@demonic_myst4503 There were also several rebellions and wars under the Targaryens that resulted in the extinction or near extinction of several houses, and of course the suffering of many smallfolk. The numerous Blackfyre rebellions and The Dance for example. Edit: not to mention the fact that Aegon, as a foreigner of a different religion and different customs, conquered all of Westeros, without any justification, off the backs of fire spewing lizards that could be likened to hellbeasts. A lot of prosperity and peace was on his mind while he was doing this, of course...

[@marcusanark2541]

@@holypaladin4657 What do you think about this theory?

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@holypaladin4657 "foraigner conwuired westeros" andals are from eos

[@alexanderb5726]

The thing about the histories and lore is that they are told by people with large biases. When Margery Tyrell claims that "Westeros prospered under Targaryen rule" she really only thinks of her own house. Truth be told the greatest calamities came under the Targaryens, the five Blackfyre rebellions, the Dance of Dragons, the Faith uprising, Peake rebellion, Robert's rebellion for which the Mad King was ultimately responsible. Neither did Mace Tyrell win the battle of Ashford. Hearing Margery so assuredly claim that is downright insulting to the true victor, the bannerlord Randyll Tarly, Sam's father. Mace only arrived later and stole credit, he's a thoroughly inept commander and thoroughly inept overall. Also; Margery claiming that the army of the Reach "could have" stormed Storm's End as if taking an impregnable castle of thousands of years is that easy.

[@marcusanark2541]

I love this! Stannis may not be a good king but he's a great warrior and a fair man.

[@perseusveil9376]

Its not like he had the opportunity to be a king during peace + from King's Landing. According to the books, he was one of the few of Robert's councilors that took the job seriously and helped Jon Arryn rule the kingdom. The fact that it was a fairly peaceful and stable reign while working "against" snakes like Pycelle and Littlefinger or Robert himself and his debts, speaks good about both of them.

[@harsh_1910]

@@perseusveil9376 yoi do realize being the king is very different from being a councilor, plus if stannis was the king the realm would destabilize overtime and there would be rebellions all over the place beacause of how stannis thinks as if some lord did something minor, then he who cut off their hand or something like taht and it would keep going and people will start turning on stannis and then there would be rebellions all over the place

[@perseusveil9376]

@@harsh_1910 No shit?!? They aren't the same!? Thank you! We are talking about ruling here. You don't need to be king to rule, as Tywin/Aerys and Jon Arryn/Robert proved. Also your statement is common among people that don't get Stannis character. He has the fame and renown of being inflexible, but he's not, and his actions post-Blackwater prove that (I'm not posting them, as it would be spoilers for Sofie) but hell, even not bringing Melisandre to Blackwater proves that he can be persuaded. He pardoned the stormlords (traitors that followed Renly) because it was convenient for him. Being a Justice God cutting hands everywhere when being king wouldn't be convenient for him. He can be flexible (hypocryte, if you like) to do whats better for him, always. I bet you even think he would maintain the R'hllor faith and try to convert the entirety of Westeros when ascending to the throne (spoilers: he would not).

[@harsh_1910]

@@perseusveil9376 first stannis is one of my favorite characters, and you do realize that just beacause he's one of your favorites that doesn't mean he would be a good king, and you are saying that ruling isn't just done by the king which is true but when ahand does the ruling for the king that doesn't mean the king i sgood take yor examples both aerys and robert were bad kings in different ways. You say that stannis changed that he wouldn't be way too fair which isn't good beacause people have egos, but how does that have anything to do with not taking melisandre, and if you say that it's beacause of him listening to davos then i would bring you to my earlier point, and Spoiler for until season 3 You do realize that stannis stopped listening to davos until melisandre told him to, and did what he did to gendry against davos' wishes

[@perseusveil9376]

@@harsh_1910 If he's one of your favorite characters then you should re-read some of his book chapters cause clearly you have forgotten them if you think he's the unflexible warrior of justice that all the other characters think he is. I never said he would be a good king, do you realize that? I'm saying that he ruled with Jon Arryn and it was a good job. I'm stating facts from the books. Do you realize that you don't need to buy his haters dumb arguments and its fine if you think that he would be an ok king at least? Please, tell me where I said a king whose hand does all the job is a good king??? I'm talking about Stannis, not Robert or Aerys. You said being a councilor is not the same as being a king, but I'm talking about ruling. Ruling is whats important here, not the title, and Stannis ruled with Jon Arryn, so he has experience during peace times. To say that he listens to his councilors doesn't mean that he only listens to Davos, he listens to everyone, and considers even bad ideas. He considers literally everything, because he's a king that listens to others. He considers murdering Renly as Melisandre and Selyse's idea, he considers traveling to Storm's End as Melisandre's idea, he considers not bringing Melisandre to Kings Landing as Davos' idea, he considers sacking Claw Isle as Florent's idea etc. But then he ultimately does whats best for him, and sometimes that implies listeting to Davos but a lot of times also implies listeting to Melisandre or others. Punishing every noble that has done wrong (as you said) or that has betrayed him wouldn't be good for him and his rule, so he wouldn't do it. And I have proof of that: he pardoned the Stormlords that followed Renly. Also I guess I see whats the problem here - you're talking about show Stannis, while I'm talking about book Stannis as I mentioned in my first message. If you're not willing to discuss the canon version of the character, please, simply stop replying to me. I won't debate about the watered down and demonized HBO version.

[@bernard6255]

@1:08:50 Shout out to magnificient Roy Dotrice, voice of the pyromancer here, and the amazing narrator of the GOT audiobook series. This guy could give a masterclass in dramatic reading!

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

Roy passed a few years back, but I listen to him read those books anytime I have trouble sleeping. I'm a voice actor myself, and he's a huge inspiration to me especially when I do audiobooks. My favourite passage is the broken men monologue from AFFC, that and Maester Aemon's dying speeches, gets me every time. A legend, may he rest in peace.

[@bernard6255]

@@WatashiMachineFullCycle He is a legend,. I knew he was originally up for a larger role in hbo series, but his health prevented it. I did not know he passed R.I.P.. My fav passage as performed by Roy is probably from ASOS, Arya at the inn at the crossroad when she recovers Needle ""Is there gold in the village?...". His performance of that scene and Aryas emotional dam breaking always gets me in the feels. Good luck w/ the voice acting, seems like an awesome career.

[@cubablue602]

Wow! I was not even aware of these lore videos. They're gorgeous.

[@melkor3496]

Love the reactions to the lore videos please keep it up. :)

[@michelmorio8026]

What you need to understand… all these short clips are narrated from the POV of the characters for a reason! You‘re not told objective facts but a mixture of facts, hearsay’s, opinions and the factions own narrative of the story… or even propaganda 😉 Just compare the clips of Robert’s Rebellion told by Viserys and Robert from part one, it’s the perfect example of how this is all like the story in the Song of Ice and Fire books… very one sided and influenced by the narrators POV

[@djVOME]

I really enjoyed this.

[@estebang1779]

Jorah Mormont was also on Robert's side during the Rebellion

[@pimtooler6370]

Can't wait for the next episode

[@hellscream46]

1:10:00 That is the same guy who narrates the Song of Ice & Fire book series.

[@Polo-wk7zl]

Robert wouldn’t have killed Theon. He didn’t kill Balon, his father, who actually started the war. However, if Balon rebelled again, Ned would certainly kill Theon.

[@Serryy]

Stannis is a fantastic character in the books. The showrunners never liked him tho.

[@ancatdal]

I think the showrunners didn't understand Stannis at all. It's not that they simply cut too much of his character because they didn't like him, or showed him in the most unflattering light. They changed so much in a way that seem to me to show that they didn't understand neither the man nor the struggle his story centers on. And it frustrates me, because Stannis' story isn't that hard to translate from book to show, unlike for a character like Sansa. Stannis story largely unfolds in conversations between characters (aside from the introduction via Cressen, which could easily be made more external), so it wouldn't be that much of a hardship to tell the story. And they have two fantastic actors playing Stannis and Davos, two actors who formed a real life friendship, which you felt on screen in the few scenes where they allowed Stannis the vulnerability he so rarely shows, but shows with Davos. Sorry to rant so, I'll just always be saddened that we didn't get to see Stannis' story.

[@deiseabu]

It is implied in the books that Gregor Clegane The Mountain killed his sister, his father and many servants in their keep. Also his first two wives had died suspiciously and he was just about to marry his third wife in book 1. It can make you understand why the Hound is the way he is. His mothers is likely dead but whether from Gregor, illness or childbirth we do not know. Sandor never mentions her which makes me think that she died when he was very young. Rory McCann the actor for the Hound once remarked that he didn’t think the Hound was cuddled much as a child which could explain some of his issues. Then he preceded to say jokingly that he didn’t think he was cuddled much as a child but if his mother heard him say that she’d kill him

[@belleville1805]

The true king Stannis Baratheon, I can't wait to see more of him a

[@maloneaqua]

It seems like Highgarden and Casterly Rock thrived, but not the whole kingdom

[@djVOME]

I really enjoy this reaction.

[@robertmills3830]

Even if joffery was Roberts legit son, if I were Robert I would much rather have stannis as heir than a egoistic psychopathic who kills animals for fun

[@fine93]

imagine having two sides of a story

[@djVOME]

The Iron born weren't the only ones who staved off the Andals and their gods. The North is of the First men. They worship the Old gods. The North Remembers...

[@AbrahamknewJesus]

wow....And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[@samus5094]

Middlefinger only wants the title of lord of Harrenhal, not the castle itself. He knows it's cursed.

[@a.a677]

Targaryens ruled for centuries, if it was all bad, it wouldn't have lasted that long. And yes, there were decades of peace and prosperity.

[@andrewmcgill9544]

Stannis is the best lol

[@djVOME]

Thoros of Myr with his flaming fuck!ng sword, but Ned wasn't rocking Ice, as this is not canon.

[@dplunk13]

I love Stannis like I love Spike from Buffy.

[@retselm9611]

hi watching from the Philippines mabuhay

[@demonic_myst4503]

Theros of myre sndhis flaming sword is a priest of the red god same as the lady casandra who serves stanis he used the fire of the red god in fights his goal was to convert the king baratheon to the red god same way casandra has converted stanis

[@jeanetteking434]

Yay!

[@kevinatenine9797]

You look extra beautiful today!

[@doyle8711]

Are we getting Buffy back?

[@Bl4ckDoT_]

Love your reactions. Hopefully you wwill be able to finish GoT before the new series "House of the dragon" is released on august 21 2022.

[@Divine_Chareka]

Stannis The Mannis

[@demonic_myst4503]

To be fair with medievil aranged marriages i cant blame somone for cheating in that its ilegal to get devorce and u had no say in the marriage

[@sld1776]

Sofie laughed way too much at Catelyn's dark fate: one extra boy per war. 😥

[@lircox]

Boo hoo 😂

[@enzonicolas7501]

I don't feel sadfor Stannis, he betray his king (Aerys II) for his drunk brother, he got what he deserved. Long live the Targaryen dynasty (yes i am legitimist at leat in Westeros) !

[@alismark1872]

To mention that, stannis's grandmother was a targaryen and he brought fire and blood (targaryen' phrase) to westeros even without a dragon. I think you should support him until Daenerys returns to westeros.

[@eurongreyjoy1008]

you sound stupid. the king rly demanded roberts head.

[@mariamenegalli2321]

without spoiling it for you .. PLEASE dont feel bad for Stannis :)

[@ArcanistBlack]

I can tell you haven’t read the books

[@mariamenegalli2321]

No I haven't read the books, but I was commenting on the TV show adaptation .. :) am working on reading the books though.

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

Would you say the same about Dany then? Or are you one of those blind Dany stans.

[@mariamenegalli2321]

@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk loved Dany in the beginning, had to edit my response because I don't wanna spoil it for the reactor. But no Dany for me.

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

@@mariamenegalli2321 ok, good.

[@larqven0192]

Thoros of Myr is a longtime hanger-on in the royal court. He's from Myr as you might expect, and is a priest of the same god that Melisandre (the Red Woman) worships. He has a 'magic' flaming sword. Almost certainly using the same technique that Stannis uses. He was sent to Westeros in an attempt to convert the Mad King to his religion. The idea being that if the Mad King liked burning folks so much, that he could potentially be converted. However, the Mad King really just liked burning, so Thoros made no headway. But he was allowed to remain at court. Thoros is a bad priest in that never left Westeros, and enjoyed his time in King's Landing and Westeros. Corrupted by luxury and a search for adventure as it were. He remained even after Robert's Rebellion, hence why he was available to lead an attack on the walls of the Greyjoy castle at Pyke. He's a colorful but very minor character who later becomes rather important in the story. He's one of the men who Ned Stark as the King's Hand sent out to bring 'the Mountain' Clegane to justice.

[@bakthihapuarachchi3447]

Jason Lannister is the father in law of Tywin Lannister, father to his wife Joanna Lannister, and the Lord of Lannisport

[@FrshChees91]

Subtitles should have said Mallister, though

[@MrCreativeEgo]

Nope. Tytos Lannister is Tywin's father. Jason Lannister doesn't exist, it's a subtitling error, it should say Jason Mallister, who was bannerman to the Tullies and a somewhat famous tourney knight and warrior.

[@bakthihapuarachchi3447]

@@FrshChees91 Yes, but they are simplifying a lot of stuff for the show

[@bakthihapuarachchi3447]

@@MrCreativeEgo that is what he's meant to be, but there is also a character called Jason Lannister, whom I described above

[@djVOME]

#NoOffense You are very beautiful...

[@stannis760]

[@mehmetcakir2347]

don't waste your time girl, it's not worth it, trust me.

[@ulrichs3061]

Don't waste your time boy, she won't listen, trust me.😄

[@garishepordd9118]

Very beautiful woman

[@moisesvillagonzalez9146]