I Finally Read DUNE

[@Sn0wy_LaLa]

We are so back!

[@maskie4189]

16:00 Don't worry, Duncan gets a lot more characterization in the next few books... in a manner of speaking

[@andrewcharles4349]

One of my favorite and most dramatic parts of the book is Pauls reaction upon learning about his son’s death. He thinks to himself, “How little the universe knows about the nature of real cruelty!” It was at that moment he quit resisting and finally gave in to his apocalyptic visions.

[@whitty_guy_]

Herbert definitely cooked with that line 🔥

[@wackyvorlon]

@@whitty_guy_ I would like to recommend checking out Children of Dune. I think there’s parts of it you will appreciate and find intriguing. I don’t want to give more detail to avoid spoilers, but I think you might like it.

[@rickbase833]

There are fanboi complaints about the compressed timeline of the movies as Dune novel span a couple years. It's not a big deal for me that we didn't have that span.....and the birth of Paul and Chani son. Since Messiah is a shorter book, I'm looking for Denis to explore emotional aspects that drive Paul towards his path

[@syjiang]

On Yueh's betrayal, Im gonna diverge with your analysis on that one. One of the central theme of Dune is the exploring the tension between free will vs fate. Rather than using Yueh's plot as some simple mystery plot, Herbert used the betrayal plot to create a sense of dread and an inevitable doomed fate for House Atreides. A second theme is human potential and flaws. Herbert introduced a variety of transhumans like the mentat, bene gesserit or the navigators. While they are shown as capable of incredible feats, he also showed that they are very much human in their failures. Yueh's conditioning was not infallible, Thufir Hawat and Jessica failed as well by making faulty assumptions. Also Yueh's betrayal was not purely succumbing to blackmail, his inner monologue gives us a view to his complexity. He had the ulterior motive of creating the opportunity to kill the Baron which he almost succeeded. Thufir was also the only one to suspect Jessica and it was made clear that this was a mistake stemming from Thufir's bias against Bene gesserit and not based on sound logic.

[@pangolinstirfrylungjuiceco1211]

Ngl I clicked off after the Yueh rant, and I do say rant because the idea that the original author butchered a plot point that he came up with, as if the book is an adaptation of the film is ridiculous. The entire point of Yueh’s betrayal and the fall of house Atreides is that it’s inevitable as foreshadowing for the deterministic themes of the rest of the series, and we from an omniscient perspective are aware of this but even Leto is as well, and the films did a really good job of adapting that tone- even if they kept the reveal of the traitor Yueh That being said Yueh’s reveal as the traitor is a pretty major disservice to the character, as the idea of history remembering him as a monster- while in reality he not only didn’t have a choice but even ‘won’ in a sense as he ensured his wife was dead/helped Leto almost kill the baron in a final blow of revenge/helped Jessica and Paul escape so in the end ensured the survival of house Atreides- is a really good microcosm of the themes of history and inevitability Herbert explores in a broader sense over the whole novel.

[@MinecraftPigSniper]

I think Yueh being known as a traitor is funny in a sad way. It’s the same way I view Leto being called a tyrant. They both saw the inevitable, the fall of Atreides and the fall of Humanity, and decided to take a seemingly cruel path to get the best possible outcome in a terrible situation. Even without his betrayal the duke leto would’ve died that night, so he accepted that fate and plotted carefully on how to manipulate the situation into the most favorable for himself, Paul, and Jessica.

[@nenyeo6090]

Totally agree with both of you in this thread.

[@TheMojeff]

I actually liked the fact that the book lets you know about Yueh. You get to know the answer and watch how all of the characters go about trying and failing to come to that answer.

[@TheMojeff]

Also, book Chani is hard! She straight killed a dude that was on his way to challenge Paul just to make a point. She knows what she is about and is Paul’s actual other half all the way into Messiah. She’s got that killer instinct.

[@seanluke2992]

It’s always been my reading that the “spoilers” of event it to give the audience a sense of prescience. So, that way the audience can have an understanding of those abilities. Like you said, there is t anything you can do about it knowing it’s going to happen. This is doubled down on in Messiah and even commented on by characters in later books.

[@RobertAncell]

While it was surprising to know Doctor Yueh's thoughts so early in the book I thought it worked well in the book. It showed how confident the characters were in the structures of the empire - the Suk, the Bene Gesserit, the Sardaukar, the spacing guild etc. They did not consider that everything could change and the whole power structure upended. I did wonder how this would be adapted in the movies having read the books first - the movie version just came across as a standard movie trope. Herbert's writing style is strong in showing how things happen, not what happens.

[@LordTelperion]

The 1984 movie is a work of art, the costumes, the acting, the music... luscious. I also love how they showed the inner thoughts of the characters via the whispered voiceovers, easy to depict in the written word, not as easy in a movie; I thought was an elegant choice. Also DL's depiction of the Guild (as the true ruling power) and Imperial culture is spot on.

[@whitty_guy_]

I really enjoyed those aspects of the movie too. But the departures from the original story, especially towards the end, kind of defeated the purpose of the novel

[@wackyvorlon]

@@whitty_guy_ IMO, Lynch’s movie changes and drops enough that it doesn’t really qualify as Dune anymore. I also don’t like the portrayal of the Harkonnens in that movie. Baron Harkonnen is a frightening figure, in Lynch’s movie they leaned too far into the absurd and he loses the edge. I will say though the art direction in that movie is generally excellent.

[@Boblw56]

Lynch totally whiffed on the central theme of the book: the danger of following messianic figures. That and the intense overacting by McMillan and others and bizarre additions like the hoaky “weirding module” and “heart plugs,” rendered the movie nearly incomprehensible.

[@lucasdeaver9192]

Be kind to David Lynch's Dune. It was a noble effort for the time. It had amazing visuals. Pauls witch sister was super creepy and the WORMS! Yes it had a lot of bad acting and dialog but try to see it from the point of view of a 17 year old teenager growing up at that time. I loved it and it will always be special to me.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Lol cool

[@johnshaffer3405]

I do believe it was said by someone, either Paul or Baron Harkonnen, that with the right leverage one can move planets. Also one positive thing that the Sci-Fi mini series did do well was touch on much of the nuance found in the books.

[@AmanCreatesArt]

Before you completely write off Lynch’s Dune, take a listen to writer Antony Johnston’s old podcast Unjustly Maligned where musician and writer Meredith Yayanos discusses her love of its weirdness.

[@whitty_guy_]

I’ll add that to the research

[@goblin2bis707]

You are absolutely right about the missing scenes (especially the diner scene) !!! BUT watch the TV miniserie from 2000, 9 h doing the 3 books (Dune, Messiah of DUne and Children of Dune), a lot of these scenes are in it (especially the diner scene). This mini serie is much closer to the books.

[@brynjolfr]

it suffers from trying to be accurate, and although this one is beautiful, 2000's is still my favorite. thoo-fear

[@Maya_Ruinz]

My favorite sci-fi novel by a mile 37:00 it’s not until Dune Messiah that Frank Herbert talks about Paul’s struggle with his inevitable role as a messiah figure, how he continues to wander if the perhaps it was his interpretation of the visions that lead to the Jihad and that he wasn’t as powerless over the future as he thought.

[@eren__morwen5947]

I've read the first Dune book 3 times in the last 5 years and I can confidently say it's my favourite book of all time. Even surpassing lotr

[@goblin2bis707]

Dr Kines : Max von SIdow is really good in this role in the 1984 movie Dune

[@keturahspencer]

Yueh was not Blackmailed. The Harkonen's did threaten to ruin his reputation with information about him. He loved his wife. That was the unaccounted for factor. The same is true for Lady Jessica loving the Duke. She wasn't supposed to love him. Love is seen as a weekness in this universe and is often underestimated.

[@HeidiBrown-hh5gy]

If you are looking for the dinner scene, watch the Sci Fi channel miniseries with Alec Newman. It’s mostly faithful to the book, but the CGI definitely shows its age and budget. Before you watch the sequel, make sure you read my favorite in the series Children of Dune.

[@whitty_guy_]

I’ll absolutely put it on my watchlist

[@BlackSyndromeJoker]

I have a lot of divergence of opinion on this review and the biggest one is the mis information that Messiah was written to correct anything. Herbert had the second book in the chamber and had it drafted when the first was published

[@Questionthis1]

What an incredible high quality video. We need more like these on KZbin.

[@sirperybLakeney]

While I certainly have some issues with Herbert's writing style I do take issue with your analysis of Dr Yueh's betrayal. Complaining that a mystery that never existed was spoiled is more than a little counter-intuitive. Others here have provided reasons why it was portrayed this way. I think the mystery is one of the weakest parts of Villeneuve's movie -we don't see enough of Yueh to care. ...what I wanted to add is that it wasn't just blackmail that broke Suk conditioning. The idea here is the opposite of what you'd normally expect with this kind of inducement. Yueh's conditioning is broken by hatred, not by greed or empathy or compassion brought on by blackmail or extortion. The Atreides trust him because he hates the Harkonnens but its that hatred that breaks his conditioning and causes his betrayal. He becomes consumed by such hatred for the Baron that he's willing to do anything, even break his programming, to get a chance to kill him. I think your dismissal of the idea of Jessica as a traitor is also ill considered and fails to appreciate the environment of political manouvering, relentless analysis of motive, the need to constantly be on guard, and of treachery that the book elicits. Suspicion of the Bene Gesserit is something that is included in the movie, even Leto doubting Jessica there. I think you're being a bit unimaginative here.

[@nenyeo6090]

Totally agree with you! The book is excellent and the treacherous nature that’s steeped in this world comes across very well on the pages. Herbert did something special.

[@oroboros88]

The series grabs you in an absolute death grip, felt like a little kid in the theatre finally seeing part 2, wish Frank couldve seen it.

[@justanotherredheadattheend955]

The changes they made to Feyd are maybe one of my favorite things about Dune 2, not only because Austin Butler was a force of nature, but because it solved one of the only problems I had with the first one. I had been kind of disappointed by the first movie's underuse (basically there in name only) of Piter de Vries, the Harkonen Mentat. I couldn't help but enjoy his presence in the book, he was just such a gleefully evil, sick little freak. But when I saw what they did with Feyd it clicked for me. They'd condensed them and just put all the horrifying, sick little freak energy into him, both streamlining the number of characters the audience had to remember AND punching up Feyd into a seriously dangerous man in his own right.

[@whitty_guy_]

Oh yeah, I love what they did with Feyd in part two!

[@wackyvorlon]

Feyd is not somebody I would ever want to be in the same room with.

[@arozeisarozie]

More book analysis videos would not be left unwatched. I love this. I’ve been in the same hyperfixation and gradually am making my way over to Fallout lore.

[@TheM.A.D.]

Yo, my dude! Another absolute banger, keep them coming! I love how you compared the characters sketches from the novel to the movie and what those differences actually mean, in terms of how the story develops, super awesome, just love it partner!

[@thestrangefire]

Herbert never made a comment about people misunderstanding the first book. He didn't write the second book for that reason, either. I wish I could remember the channel name, but someone made a video about how the quote that Denis sited didn't exist. We are meant to see Paul as a hero in the first book. It is why the Atreides have the attributes that they do, like loyalty, bravery, honesty, and kindness. That way, when you get the second book, you see the actions that Paul is taking and realize firsthand how easy it is to be blinded by the "charismatic leader". Edit: spelling

[@luisgil4448]

Is it the youtuber (nerd cookies ) "Debunking the big lie about dune messiah"

[@thestrangefire]

@@luisgil4448 Yes, thank you!

[@goblin2bis707]

2 year old Alia is in the 1984 movie and the TV miniserie 2000 killing the Baron with a Gom Jabar. Count Fenring is really in the miniserie and the 1984 movie.

[@merdufer]

Dr. Yueh's betrayal in the book can be jarring and frustrating to read, but it's the first time Herbert attempted to convey a major theme in his book: People who are competent and intelligent can develop over reliance on their expertise, and miss the most obvious solutions as a result. It's Herbert planting the idea that Paul may be wrong, an idea he echoed by introducing Duke Fenring. Villenueve simplified all of that by replacing them with a rewritten Chani as a POV character, which was necessary for the movie, but I don't think was "better" per se.

[@MinecraftPigSniper]

I really disliked movie chani, just felt like a total type cast of zendaya. She’s a talented actress who could’ve pulled of a really interesting chani but instead they went the most predictable, boring, and unfaithful route.

[@gordonfreeman-g5w]

@@MinecraftPigSniper I more or less mourn for what could've been a faithful Chani, which is why I actually like part 1 more because Chani is still somewhat Chani. I suspect Villeneuve was pressured into dumbing the source material and making a caricature of characters to make it more digestible for the masses, but in doing so he also destroyed the goodness of quality in it. As time passes I actually don't think he was the right person to direct this movie... Dune deserves the same treatment James Clavell's Shogun got on Disney+. That was an absolute achievement and people who read the book also love it.

[@Spinelli__]

@@MinecraftPigSniper I don't agree at all. I think the movie Chani is superior. In the book she basically plays a second Jessica just re-affirming and going a long with all of Paul's plans. Very one dimensional and boring, and she barely plays a role in anything. In the movie, the entire situation, especially the way it was portrayed with Villeneuve's directing, the dialogue, the acting, editing, musical score, etc. made the Paul-Chani situation so much deeper, so emotional and powerful, so heartbreaking, so beautiful yet depressing. On top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if in Messiah, she becomes more like the Chani from the book once Paul explains everything to her and she has time to cool off and take things into perspective. I'm just guessing though.

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

"Frank Herbet gets wordy." Yea, but in a strange way. Tolkien will spend half a chapter describing the external world, like two whole pages talking about the trees in the forest or something like that. Frank Herbert will spend half a chapter talking about what is going on in someone's mind and barely talk about this completely alien looking scifi world that his characters inhabit.

[@nickbundt]

And epic battles are about two paragraphs or a character just off-handedly mentioning a battle outcome.

[@Murdok9999]

You reading about Yue is kind of Paul knowing the future. You, as reader, are unable to do anything because the plot is written and sets events in motion that will lead to Paul's rise as Muad Dib. Paul has to allow bad things to happen so that other events can be triggered.

[@thomashobbes8786]

Welome to the Duneiverse!

[@Nivoleth]

i’m baffled you don’t have more subs, this video is so well done

[@johnshaffer3405]

When it comes to Thufir Hawat I always pronounced his first name "Two-Fer" since it sounds much better if he is being spoken to either affectionately or sarcastically by a friend.

[@wackyvorlon]

Personally, I’ve always used the pronunciation in the film. It’s worth noting however that in Ancient Greek the letter theta is not the “th” we use in English, but actually a voiced t. Tau is an unvoiced t.

[@thomashobbes8786]

Pretty sure Herbert sounded the th- fwiw

[@wackyvorlon]

My personal belief is that no one ever truly tried to break the imperial conditioning. Everyone needs a doctor, and if it’s possible for you to break the conditioning of another house’s doctor then that means other houses can break the conditioning of *your* doctor. It’s a mutually assured destruction scenario. As a result nobody really tries. We know that Piter and the Baron are depraved enough to do things that no sane house would do, so they are the first to genuinely try to break the conditioning. Because it has never been genuinely tested, it turned out to be much easier than anyone believes.

[@morganjace1327]

oh my god the minecraft youtubers line made me choke on my spaghetti XD

[@okreylos]

2:23 "Let's be Frank..." Nice pun there.

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

ok so a few comments, In the book Jessica is often described with dark blonde hair like bronze, now I might be misremembering but her hair isn't that color in the movie. You may think this is a nitpick, but it was kind of the main thing Frank Herbert said about her physicality, as he brings it up multiple times. As for the characterization of Duncan in the books being boring.... well you haven't quite gotten far enough into the books for it to be interesting yet. Also its Thufir with a th, I will die on the opposite hill, his name ain't Toofir

[@goblin2bis707]

Duncan Idaho IS THE REAL HERO of the Dune serie.............

[@johnshaffer3405]

Even God-Emperor Leto complemented Duncan Idaho about being a "Wonderful Revolutionary who helped overthrow a 10,000 year long dynasty."

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

I'd say it has actually been the Bene Gesserit all along, but Duncan is a contender.

[@johnshaffer3405]

@@TheSuperhomosapien the Bene Gesserit needed reminding that it is better to be active then reactive and it took the reigns of Paul and Leto to remind them of that fact.

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

@@johnshaffer3405 That was their hero's journey. The last two novels were the BG's time to shine though.

[@DembosTheEmperor]

nah God Emperor is, and also its greatest villain

[@gordonfreeman-g5w]

48:11 you predicted exactly what I was gonna say 🤣🤣I'm currently on God Emperor (4th book) and bruh.. It's basically like if the first 3 books are cocaine, then God Emperor is Ahuyasca or Mushrooms. Dune seems so "normal" in comparison even if it does have a Fremen spice orgy in it, It just gets weirder, and weirder, and weirder which is why I adore this book series so God damn much. Herbert was a true genius and artist. Fenring I felt not much was needed to be said in the book because at the end you realize who this mysterious character is. The fact that we realize he's a eunuch made my heart sink for him, even though he's probably done terrible things in his life time in service of House Corrino. Him and Paul are probably the only two people who understand what it's like. All the characters in Dune are very tragic, the books are actually very depressing and make you question civilization and humanity a lot, but there is some what a faint glimmer of hope in each book.

[@benjalucian1515]

Yes, in Dune, Paul started off 15 and short. Mother Mohaim comments on it, and Jessica replies that the Atreides start off small. So when Jamis challenges Paul, it's hilarious - a grown man challenging a little boy. Jamis comes off as a bully ready to kill a child.

[@goblin2bis707]

That's what is about in books of Frank Herbert ! not images, but what the people are thinking and tell ! Dune books is not about suspense and action but thinking. Movies need images, not necessarily books.... Isaac Asimov is like that also (Robots, Foundations series...); Read about imperial conditioning, THEY ARE BIG in the novels od Dune, a necessity for the houses ! What Vladimir Harkonen did destroying the imperial conditioning is huge, hard to believe for the houses ! we are talking about centuries of perfectioning it. Jessica is maybe the traitor BECAUSE of the Bene Gesserit history !!!!! read the books about these ''witches''...so it is justify !

[@nickymo]

Idk I think alot of people still misunderstand paul as the hero by the end. I’ve had multiple conversations w my cousin who was hyped for the jihad at the end of part 2 and thought Paul was awesome in a straightforward hero way. The movie does a good job of framing him as pretty badass by the end if you’re not thinking too hard about it.

[@-robdphd-9741]

Your Minecrafter joke had me in tears

[@whitty_guy_]

Glad it found the right audience 😆

[@Madworldofgaming]

😂 I saw the comment before I heard the joke and was like whattt then I laughed twice as hard when it hit 😅

[@di3486]

I want to comment that DV made that comment about Herbert regretting Dune and then writing Dune Messiah is FALSE. I don’t know where he got that from but Herbert himself said that he wrote Dune, Messiah and Children of Dune as ONE BOOK. He already knew how the story of Paul would end so, that is a lie that has been repeated by everyone without given a single reference. Chani in the book is much more than a housewife. I don’t get why you didn’t see that she is a priestess, sayyadina in training and a knife demon. They bond over the loss of both their fathers. The Chani in the movie did not made me sympathize with her, I was happy when she left, such an insufferable character.

[@plo617]

Denis' Chani was such a terrible character. I kinda wished Denis had used Chani's friend in a similar way that they used her instead. Her friend was also vocal about her distrust of Paul. She also didn't believe in the prophecy. Then she began to belive in Paul. I wish this would've been Chani instead and they could've used her character in the second book, as part of the conspiracy..

[@MinecraftPigSniper]

Yea chani was one of my biggest discontents with the film. In the books she’s a strong, devoted Fremen who keeps Paul strong against his doubts. In the movie she’s just a petulant atheist teenager lol.

[@Boblw56]

Dune novel is unique since so much is implied, with internal dialogue replacing action. Much of it is sparsely (or poorly) written. Yet, the totality is greater than the parts: Herbert manages to craft an incredibly compelling universe with an implied and vast history while weaving themes and plots into a satisfying denouement, almost in spite of his limited literary skills. I still don’t know if he was a genius or just lucky.

[@whitty_guy_]

I read Dune along with a friend of mine, and we both came to the same conclusion

[@pr0z00m6]

Amazing video cant wait for more

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

The next two novels (Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune) will blow your mind.

[@sanbrochill9399]

I just finished Heretics of Dune and I think it’s the best book in the series. I highly recommend but you have to read up to it of course

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

@@sanbrochill9399 Chapterhouse is on par with Heretics, so you still have a treat to look forward to. I consider Heretics and Chapterhouse to be one giant book, just like Messiah is really just the epilogue to the first novel and Children of Dune is the real second novel.

[@halcyo]

Your take on the supposed "flaws" of the book are kinda dumb. The whole point is that plot "surprises" are kinda pointless in the written form, so it's far more interesting to examine the struggles and motivations of all the different characters and factions. Dune (the whole 6 book series) is a straight literary masterpiece, and it's making me wince listening to you not understanding how classical some of these themes are.

[@shivamib]

The Baron likes a "snuggle with a struggle"

[@AC-hj9tv]

So do you apparently

[@di3486]

After reading that last paragraph of Dune you understand why the film derailed at the end? That last paragraph is BEAUTIFUL. Such a waste.

[@rexx7272]

i really want to hear your opinion on the David Lynch dune!!! its defiantly weird in a completely different way!

[@rexx7272]

its one of my favorite movies but i absolutely hate it i love the visuals though

[@whitty_guy_]

I’ll be working on that video very soon! It’s too weird not to talk about 😁

[@rexx7272]

@@whitty_guy_ defiantly i do love the visuals i think the character design is just so cool

[@ce_rouse]

*Frank Herbert's 6 book Dune series:* *Audience:* I really like Paul, and am rooting for his successful overthrow of the Universe and genocide! *Frank Herbert:* Oh, you thought Paul was the hero of this series? *Audience:* Paul is a fallen hero. Dune is a story of tragedy, and Paul a cautionary tale of despotism. *Frank Herbert:* Oh, you thought Paul was the series ultimate antagonist?

[@Martydrums]

He said “Denis Villeneuve” right!! LISAN AL GAIB!!!

[@whitty_guy_]

As written 😳

[@captaintiburon2687]

Great vid

[@thomashobbes8786]

The 1980s version does a few things better imo. 😅

[@lucasdeaver9192]

Leto 2 does not die. See God Emperor of Dune. There WILL be a fourth movie I'm sure of it.

[@MolotDET]

43:40 you fall into the trap set by Villeneuve and his movie adaptions. He is trying to justify his adaptions changes to the basic lore of Dune. Frank Herbert never made that statement. As explained by the author at the time the Jodorowski film was optioned (the original failed screen adaption), Messiah and Children were to be included in the original Dune book before it was published. they were trimmed from the book for length, because a manuscript of its size could not be printed on a standard printing press. They were then published as two separate books because the publisher wanted 2 more books to release. Besides, in the book Herbert makes no bones about explaining directly that Paul isn't a hero, as evidenced in the Kiens chapter you referenced and in many passages of Paul's own inner monologue. Paul actively tries not to be the messiah, but eventually realizes that once he was among the Fremen it was too late. His only option to avert the tide of history would have been to die in the attack, but once he makes it to the Fremen this would also cause the death of Chani, his mother, his sister, and his house. Not wanting to be the hero is exactly why he allows his eyes to be taken from him by the stoneburner in Dune: Messiah. That is the out that allows him to protect his family, a Fremen without eyes is expected to walk into the desert alone and return their water to the desert. This allows him and his family to remain Fremen but remove his godhood by dying and actively undermine his own mythology by becoming the preacher. btw your take on the changes to Chani and by virtue of that the Fremen as a whole is bat shit stupid. You should be happy that I actually watched this drivel

Don't forget...Liet Kynes was Chanis father.

[@goblin2bis707]

Irulan is really important later

[@marocat4749]

God emporer too :D The comments must flow

[@SergioCR87]

Please make another dune video 👍🏾

[@Stevewebstermusic]

Irulan = ee•roo•lawn

[@r.coburn3344]

Good video

[@benjalucian1515]

Irulan was always going to be married off to someone she didn't love. I find it hilarious that Jessica tries to reassure Chani "History will call us wives" but in the history of the Dune world, they're called concubines. LOL HIstory doesn't care about their emotional attachments, just their titles.

[@plo617]

He didn't touch her or allow her to bare any of his (or anyone else's) children. Had she married someone else, they would've likely, at least, given her that.

[@benjalucian1515]

@@plo617 But I think he was OK with her having affairs.

[@plo617]

@@benjalucian1515 Yeah, I'm definitely aware of that. However, that's not much at all. She will never have her own family, at least not biologically. Then she has to experience the embarrassment of everyone knowing that she is only being used as a political pawn and will not even be given the dignity to produce an heir. Things do end up working out for her, but she was in an incredibly crappy position.

[@benjalucian1515]

@@plo617 Always a risk when you're an emperor's daughter.

[@goblin2bis707]

Paul is wrong ! it did not see the ''GOLDEN PATH'' and the real possible threat in the future !

[@rfrederick3]

12:49 not a hot take, a trash take. “cooks” “a bar”?

[@ralphnewcomejr]

If you thought THAT shit was good...Read all the stories in the New Jedi Order series. THAT is the first and REAL story after Return of the Jedi...

[@patrickwall3415]

Great video until you craped on the 84 film:( It was all we had and the music made you buy in to the lie of Paul being the Messiah for an audience member imo. Plus STING duh:)

[@rfrederick3]

Trash take.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Where's your vid mate

[@gorki61]

You compare the imagination of a writer with a director... what right do you have to that? You are expressing only your opinion, which means subjective, which is not important in any standards

[@Povole]

*"... what right do you have to that? You are expressing only your opinion..."* You declare his statements opinions AND ask what right he has to them? Are you not allowing others to have opinions? What right do you have to do that?

[@wackyvorlon]

All opinions on art are subjective. That’s how it works.

[@jadennnnn]

Wouldn’t you expect him to share his opinion in a video he made on his channel? Like sorry he should have made the title “I finally read Dune! Gorki61’s opinion not mine”