I Forced Myself to Use Linux For ANOTHER 30 Days (Linux Challenge Part 2)

[@Livakivi]

I also tried Arch, btw: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGLOmX1sqbaZmZI

[@mythx.1]

nice, i use arch btw

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

Never enable automatic updates. This goes for everything. Sometimes you get bugs, or sometimes someone can use auto updates to distribute malware. (This happened to CCleaner before, as a hacker gained control of the update servers and injected malware into an update.)

[@monikamotordrivingschool3742]

Waiting for "The Arch Linux Experience"

[@_BLANK_BLANK]

At least their hardware issues would be easily fixed. Since it actually keeps everything up to date. Imo its the distro I would recommend to anyone trying to use new hardware. Since all the debian based distros really dont keep things all the way up to date

[@skelebro9999]

Theres this guy named Bog made a video on that exact same topic. Very good video. Must watch.

[@iamtheabdi]

I watched Bog's video a few hours after it came out and dude had mistitled the video. It should've been "The KDE Experience" instead of "The Arch Experience".

[@bogxd]

@@skelebro9999

[@_BLANK_BLANK]

@@iamtheabdi yeah this.

[@jfolz]

It's quite frustrating how much of this is just X11 limitations, Nvidia being Nvidia, and combinations thereof. Luckily, things are finally falling into place and after this long and painful transition period, Linux will be in a really good spot.

[@entelin]

any decade now the linux desktop will be a solid experience... and still lack all the commercial applications you need for it to matter.

[@phokeydhoo8940]

@@entelin Honestly, for me, the only thing missing in Linux is good CAD. However, after the changes to the free Fusion 360 license, Windows doesn't really have it either. That said, I've been using primarily linux since 2004.

[@entelin]

@@phokeydhoo8940 So you're just like everyone else then that's missing the one thing they need for work. Because that's actually what people use computers for generally. Personally I've used linux since around 2000ish, and since I'm in IT I've generally been able to use it as my primary system that whole time except for gaming, until recently. Regardless, in my IT consulting experience I've works for almost every industry out there and this has demonstrated to me conclusively that Linux *cannot* become the primary desktop platform, simply due to application support, every industry has their thing. For it to become dominant on the desktop, it needs 100% or better windows support. The linux community is still fighting the battles it already lost in the early 2000's. Since then the whole paradigm has shifted. There isn't even the casual pc user any more, the "grandma that only needs a web browser", mostly doesn't exist, that's all cellphones and tablets, which linux doesn't even have an answer for. Everyone else are business users that have hard requirements on windows dependent applications. Linux desktop usage doubled over the last few years thanks to steam/proton/wine. Because gamers started to have a choice. Most people still don't.

[@raven75257]

Ah, yes. A year of Linux... every year...

[@deadlock_problem]

@@entelin your commercial applications are just adobe trash and a yawnfest. I say this an linux user that works as an engineer that is just porting our windows software to linux for the company I work for lmao.

[@Nefsen402]

The "tearing" issue with i3 when resizing windows has nothing to do with actual tearing. You're simply seeing the lag time from between when i3 wants to resize a window, and when the window actually resizes. Wayland tiling window managers like sway implement something called transactions that essentially wait for the window to resize, before presenting the users with the updated screen. It's a really neat feature. I don't know how well Nvidia works on sway.

[@sprinklednights]

Drew DeVault, the creator of sway, has openly insulted NVIDIA users in the past with settings such as "--my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia", and emersion, the current maintainer of sway, said that will not support proprietary drivers, which includes NVIDIA's. If you like to use sway, don't use NVIDIA. There's unfortunately no way around it, especially with a 4090.

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@sprinklednights the youtuber A1RM4X who uses linux and has a 4090 uses CachyOS as his daily driver and has no issues. I'd honestly would use that

[@sprinklednights]

@@AndRei-yc3ti Sure, but giving Livakivi's circumstances, I doubt it'll work well.

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@sprinklednights why do you say that? It has built in Nvidia drivers + newest drivers. Plus it offers different windowing managers with nvidia drivers like wayfirr, Qtile (that he mentioned hes interested in), Hyperland (works well with nvidia) and sway.

[@sprinklednights]

@@AndRei-yc3ti Well it's because by default, sway does not work with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers. I'm talking about sway, other compositors may have greater success, but for sway, you are better off with an Intel or AMD GPU.

[@lark-6381]

19:35 ARCH WIKI MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@RoofusRoof19]

I USE ARCH BTW!!!!!!!!

[@mateusz7835]

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!

[@george1717]

ME TOOO KINDA!!!!!!!!!

[@lark-6381]

I USE ARCH BTW🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@Masta_E]

I can't stop it...but I ....I..... I use Arch by the way.

[@yukijoou]

i'm very glad I no longer have an NVidia gpu and don't have to deal with all that :) running linux on AMD and Intel setups has been very smllth for me

[@kyledupont7711]

They fixed all that a new weeks ago with the 555 driver. In finally using Wayland with no bugs for me anyway

[@tablettablete186]

Well, AMD still doesn't supoort HDMI 2.1 and fan control seems to not work well currently.

[@KingKrouch]

​@@tablettablete186on my desktop it's not a huge issue, but on my Alienware AMD laptop, yeah not being able to fine-tune fan controls or RGB (trust me, I tried OpenRGB) is a bit of a downer. As for the HDMI 2.1 thing, yeah that sucks. I've been learning to use DisplayPort whenever possible.

[@xObscureDarkness]

I get a hilarious amount of bugs regardless

[@KingKrouch]

@@tablettablete186 Yeah HDMI 2.1 not being supported on AMD's open source drivers is sad, but I've been using DisplayPort on my desktop and DisplayPort over USB C on my Alienware AMD gaming laptop without that many issues. Most of the monitors I bought have dodgy HDMI support anyways. As for fan control, my desktop works fine (And LACT exists for my AMD card), but I do agree that in the case of my laptop, not having fan and thermal profiles like on Windows is a bit sucky. It's permanently stuck on the fan speed I set on Windows, until I go back into Windows and then change it.

[@sprinklednights]

From my personal experience of using Linux for 2 years and watching a bunch of videos where people show off their own experiences, I've come to the following conclusion: 1. Switching to a different operating system, no matter Windows, MacOS, Linux, it's never gonna be a smooth transition unless you are as lucky as me who plays 2 or 3 video games, listens to music, and use a web browser. 2. Trying to use proprietary software or hardware on Linux scarcely works. Avoiding them at all costs is the best solution. 3. More often than not, using Linux "the hard way" will work better than trying to use Linux "the easy way" (i.e. exclusively using terminal applications), albeit with some compromises. My experience with Linux has been a ride between frustration and fun. One the one hand, it completely changed the way I use my computer and how I look at technology in general, on the other hand, there are still some serious issues with using Linux, which I was relatively able to avoid. Though I still love using Linux more than I ever enjoyed using Windows. I actually found your channel because of Part 1, which I really enjoyed watching, but it also taught me a bit about other people's experience using Linux. Part 2 had the same effect to me, and I appreciate how you documented your experience using Linux in such a structured and impeccable manner. Amazing video!

[@esaedvik]

I've had pretty much zero issues with Linux as a daily driver. Games work fine, hardware has worked fine (external hdds, audio interfaces, BT devices, USB network adapters...). Stil have half my rigs to move from Windows 10 to Linux (probably Nobara), one being my main gaming rig which I'm also rebuilding at the same time. I'm not even a pro at Linux, I've managed hosting servers, but never really knew what I was actually doing back then, and I've tried Linux distros (mostly Ubuntu variants) every few years without luck, but Pop!OS was the first that actually worked and worked well. I couldn't break it no matter what I did. I even upgraded from Pulseaudio to Pipewire and nothing broke. On Nobara, I went from 38 with GNOME to 39 with KDE by upgrading my existing install and nothing broke in that either.

[@deadlock_problem]

I play hundreds of games and basically all my games work except one and then a few others but those had the same problems on windows due to how old they are. Linux gaming is great.

[@danilaros]

For me after having that kind of problems the only thing that work for me is Bluefin ( based on Fedora silverblue), is been the most stable experience that I have so far with Linux. Rock stable and everything working…

[@jfolz]

@@esaedvik Pipewire is bae

[@eget4144]

​​@@deadlock_problem I want to try out linux. Is ubuntu the best? I use PC for gaming, surfing and for office programs.

[@blacktop5738]

Waiting for part 3 where Livakivi installs Arch :)

[@blacktop5738]

Also a great way to get your feet wet in the arch linux is endeavour os, you can install it with i3 out of the box and it has a bunch of tools like nvidia-inst and yay package helper

[@mgostIH]

I love these long time updates on this, makes it easy to see what changed and if I can recommend things to friends or family!

[@CTimmerman]

For basic Windows-like web use on 2010ish hardware, Mint Cinnamon is great.

[@xninja2369]

​@@CTimmermanunless you use NVIDIA it's f*k try pop os With NVIDIA driver but you still has graphical scaling issue

[@JannesDragon]

Babe wake up, a new livakivi video just dropped

[@vulc1]

Ära maga elu maha 😅

[@cobaltty1]

frr

[@oldgold8247]

Bake wake up, new JannesDragon comment just dropped

[@johanb.7869]

His voice is very tiring to listen too though because of the emphasis on the end of each sentence.

[@nikdotnik]

Didnt expect you'd drop a part 2. The first part was enjoyable.

[@marsimplodation]

after seeing this video completly, arch and hyprland honestly sound like the best solution for you, if you are going this far into customization arch is just the most stable distro, in my personal experience, as other distros are not expecting you to do that, as for hyprland, it does work pretty well on nvidia hardware, used it for quite a while (RTX 2060 super on the 535/545 driver back then) and apart from wayland stuff (which 555) fixes, I had no issues. I did move to an AMD GPU before that driver released tho, because of various reasons

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

Honestly, I think Liva would do great on Arch and things are much easier to troubleshoot. Since it has newer packages with the altest fixes it seems to be the best distro for gaming or those with newer hardware

[@marsimplodation]

@@AndRei-yc3ti yea, I'm a bit concerned about an update breaking the system tho, this nature of rolling release could be a deal breaker for him

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@marsimplodation ive used arch for 3 years. Never had an update break my system unless i accidentally hit a key to stop it myself. I think "rolling release" gets an unjustly scary image. Its not as unstable as people think

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@marsimplodation ive used arch for 3 years. Never had an update break my system unless i accidentally hit a key to stop it myself. I think "rolling release" gets an unjustly scary image. Its not as unstable as people think

[@marsimplodation]

@@AndRei-yc3ti I use arch as well, but people can absolutely f up their systems, when not being carefull about handling rolling release. I once managed to corrupt my bootloader somehow, don't ask how and I made the mistake once of having nvidia without the dkms package, easy fix, but it was annoying seeing a black screen after a kernel update

[@papadank1972]

Fellas, an Arch + Hyprland sequel is inevitable

[@prgnify]

Liva, your experience and feedback is absolutely invaluable. It reminds me of a few years ago when Linus and Luke tried using Linux and in the first day Linus tried to uninstall steam and borked his whole set up - that shouldn't happen and (I can't remember who it was) the distro maintainers quickly fixed the issue, made it easier to do the right thing when removing steam or w/e. When a person like you, very curious, technical, etc., tries as hard as you did and puts in as much effort as you did, the issues you lamp-shade stick like a sore thumb. I say all of this as a Linux user of MANY years. I don't have any of the issues you do, and wouldn't know about them if not for this video. I'm not a programmer, I'm not a video maker (editor, content creator, nothing of the sort), my workflow and opinions are very different than yours (like how I personally like KDE [but with a completely original set up, just the way I like it]) and have different hardware (AMD graphics card, external audio interface, etc) sometimes that I've bought specifically because of Linux support (like the audio interface, I was on the market looking for one, and in the process of choosing I went for a "safe" bet in terms of linux support) - so none of that matters (what I mean is that my personal experience doesn't matter to you, your workflow, the work you do, the experience you had). I know this is not a video of you asking for suggestions or help. I will leave a couple anyways :) 1. I think you would like the workflow of the so called Material Shell - it is built on top of GNOME but marries tiling with floating wonderfully. I don't use it tho (kde, yadda yadda) 2. System76 is trying to have a harmonious set up of tiling and floating as well, making their own DE (most likely it will be unsuitable for you, as it will be brand new) but it isn't out, so I shouldn't even bring it up. 3. OpenSUSE exists. You have dabbled in ubuntu and looked into mint, used pop, etc., now fedora, rocky, nobara. If you choose to stay in the mainstream OpenSUSE is next, and as an OpenSUSE Tumbleweed user, if you were to ever use it, I'd be glued to the screen to see what you thought of it. If you go towards niche then you are probably use Arch or NixOS or Fedora Silverblue etc., things that are more niche but at the same time more popular (in regards to: have people talking about it) nonetheless. Lastly, I'll echo something I said earlier this year when craft computing tried and also failed to switch to linux (failed is a strong word, Linux failed him - it wasn't his fault, it was Linux's fault); you COULD light up the bat-signal and create a linux council of fans of yours who would then look into and help you troubleshoot the issues you have. It would probably work. It is an absolute shame that this is "needed". If a person like you, who is more technical than me, more patient than me, more curious than me, has to have someone like me around just because of my experience, Linux on the Desktop is a failed platform (for your specific usecase/hardware etc). Anyway. If you were to ask me (personally) before attempting on your own, I'd probably tell you that Linux is not good for what you need to do. It was cool that you tried though, so that would have been a loss. Then the second thing is - I think it is better for you to set up Looking Glass for GPU-passthrough. So as soon as something gets in the way of you doing your work, you can just open a window into Windows and rest assured it will all work. I do it (with some Rx 460 from the thrash) for both Windows and Mac when I need it. It can be a bitch to set up, though.

[@Livakivi]

Thanks for the comment! I have heard a lot of people use OpenSUSE but I've never looked into it, do kinda wonder what its all about.

[@WyvernDotRed]

​@@Livakivi having shortly dabbled with it myself and knowing someone (online) who loves it, my TLDR is: It's a corporate focused (so Fedora-esque) Arch-linux like system which was early with many great concepts, which are both strengths and weaknesses. An example being it's Snapper software, which can shapshot and boot back into versions of the operating system, letting you postpone fixing broken updates. But it's YAST configuration tool is very old and it's installer is one of the most broken I have ever used, failing in different ways on me after identical re-installs. To me, OpenSUSE is my backup for Arch Linux (and derivatives), but not ready for me to commit to for neither desktop nor server use. I'll also use this opportunity to mention my current distro of choice (for 2 years, after maining Linux for 6 years), Garuda Linux. This is a relatively obscure layer distro built on top of Arch Linux, which among other things configures OpenSUSE's Snapper out of the box. But it uses the more common and in my experience better Calamares installer, along with making many deeper tweaks that do not seem to affect system stability but which I like a lot. Though it comes with it's own issues, for starters the default theme is HIDEOUS, Chaotic-AUR often has broken packages, requiring a manual AUR build anyway and the default FISH shell messes with Flatpak and many tutorial instructions. And the elephant in the room, it's a even to Linux standards obscure distro which tries to deliver a opinionated base experience with KDE Plasma (in the flagship dr460nised edition). But I do agree with the recommendations I have seen in the comments here on giving Arch Linux (based distros) a try. Except for Manjaro though, while they haven't messed up significantly recently they have a bad track record and do not deliver on the supposed increased stability. Either installing base Arch from scratch or even tweaking EndeavourOS or Garuda Linux also would make for an interesting video. Sorry for going off on that tangent, but I hope some of this is useful to you.

[@prgnify]

@@Livakivi OpenSUSE has a few distributions. SUSE is like european Red Hat, OpenSUSE Leap would be like Rocky/AlmaLinux. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed would be like our Fedora/Rawhide, it is rolling-release so there are no numbered versions, but every update is thoroughly tested before being pushed. Aeon is like our Silverblue (no update will ever break your system, but you depend on flatpak). OBS/Factory is like COPR. But really everything is different in opensuse - so think of the comparisons as just that, a bit of explanation and not necessarily truly equivalent distros. I used it for the first time in 2012 or so because "one click installs" sounded interesting, but it didn't hold me then. Many years later I was fed-up with Fedora, Ubuntu (and derivatives) and Arch, I had used Solus but it was in a bad spot... So that left me opensuse to try. Turns out everything (that I need, with my hardware, etc) just worked, so I stayed. I don't see anything elsewhere that I'd want and don't have with opensuse. We don't have as much software as in the AUR or Nix, so there's that, but I can't remember the last time I wanted to get something and there wasn't a solution for Tumbleweed. So idk, I just... use my computer now.

[@yigitorhan7654]

@@Livakivi You can use the davincibox container on distrobox. Should make it a whole lot easier to run Resolve no matter which distro you pick. Distrobox is awesome.

[@WyvernDotRed]

Huh, my comment seems to have disappeared​ after browsing through the comments again (which are that interesting), but it was still on my clipboard (as a backup), so here it is again. If it was intentionally removed, sorry, if this is KZbin's filter, argh! I'll remove the off-topic tangent and give this another dedicated comment though. @Livakivi having shortly dabbled with it myself and knowing someone (online) who loves it, my TLDR is: It's a corporate focused (so Fedora-esque) Arch-linux like system which was early with many great concepts, which are both strengths and weaknesses. An example being it's Snapper software, which can shapshot and boot back into versions of the operating system, letting you postpone fixing broken updates. But it's YAST configuration tool is very old and it's installer is one of the most broken I have ever used, failing in different ways on me after identical re-installs. To me, OpenSUSE is my backup for Arch Linux (and derivatives), but not ready for me to commit to for neither desktop nor server use. I do agree with the recommendations I have seen in the comments here on giving Arch Linux (based distros) a try. Except for Manjaro though, while they haven't messed up significantly recently they have a bad track record and do not deliver on the supposed increased stability. Either installing base Arch from scratch or even tweaking EndeavourOS or Garuda Linux also would make for an interesting video. Garuda Linux also implementing said Snapper update snapshots from OpenSUSE, aside from the theme also making other deeper tweaks I happen to like.

[@dddeergirl]

love this series, your tenacity in tweaking and bug fixing has my utmost respect

[@Rockpat]

For having a STABLE workstation: 1. Do NOT enable automatic updates, no matter which Distro (Update on a schedule, 1x/week for example) 2. Have a Backup/Snapshot of your System & Data ready for when things go bad (look into BTRFS & it's snapshot capabilities, with tools like Timeshift or that like) 3. Use YOUR Distro of choice (which you like the most, for me it's Debian [Testing] btw) Voila, you're ~90-95% on the way to even if you experience breakage, you can just do the work & deal with problems when you have the time. Nice Video, btw.

[@yaboi672]

is mint the most stable?

[@clickbaitpro]

@@yaboi672 It's the most recommended one

[@Batwam0]

Depends in what you call stable. Generally, I would say Debian Stable would be the most stable but this also means that the packages are older. If you want the latest and use a bleeding edge distro, you’ll generally lose some stability as there might be some bugs not yet fixed.

[@Batwam0]

To have a stable distro: - use older hardware which had more time to get drivers developed and debugged. - stay away from Nvidia graphics and Broadcom wireless

[@yaboi672]

@@Batwam0 what if you have nvdia gpu 😥

[@sevak5954]

Looking forward to watching you fall down the homelab rabbit hole next :) I've been watching for years, and I also feel like I have no idea what kind of software you write. Either way, best of luck.

[@TheAlexgoodlife]

I've been daily driving Arch Linux for almost 10 months now, and apart from the initial config and NVIDIA drivers install (and discovering that my motherboard was faulty) I have had literally no friction with my workflow. I think this stems from my hardware being quite old with most of it being 5 years old at least now, so I have had none of the compatibility issues you had to face. Diving into tiling window managers is a huge rabbit hole from my experience taking an unreasonable amount of time and energy to get things working like it should out of the box so I just stick to GNOME these days. I do respect you a lot for giving Linux another go even after all the issues and persevering through all the hurdles, most people, including me, would have given up after the initial issues

[@Tom_Dahl]

My first arch install took me 9 hours to get it to a reasonable point. Then I did some poking around in it, broke it then reinstalled. The reinstall only took 2 hours. Arch is a huge time commitment. I have a friend that uses endeavouros just so he does not have to deal with the install of arch. I do love arch. It has broken on me 4ish times and 2 of those times I just have to wait for an update that fixes it. I started using hyper land with the dot files from my Linux for work, and it is great. If you want great reliability and up to date packages, I hear nixos is a good choice, but I have never used it.

[@SergioEduP]

I have been running Arch for about 5 years and like you said apart from the initial config everything has been working as expected, pretty much all issues that I had were entirely avoidable and caused by me tinkering around but with the amount of information on the various wikis they were very simple to solve and great learning experiences. my hardware is also just over 5 years old and even when I initially installed Arch I had no compatibility problems.

[@soheibmemes2594]

two years and I can't even remember how many times I nuked my whole OS lmao is it worth it? depends for example video editors on Arch ABSOLUTELY NOT but programming it's like heaven

[@TheAlexgoodlife]

@@soheibmemes2594 I never tried video editing on arch I mostly use it for web surfing, programming and gaming. What about it makes it so bad?

[@soheibmemes2594]

@@TheAlexgoodlife DRIVERS!!! I had to install ROCm drivers but my internet speed was 20kb/s cuz the servers are too far (plus kdenlive is the most stable) EDIT: I tried it back in 2022 so I have no idea maybe things changed

[@abdullahbinnur5592]

YES! FINALLY IT'S HERE. THANK YOU LIVA

[@coatlessali]

Honestly, I know everyone else here is saying Arch, but it's honestly the most pain free experience I've had. You almost never have to worry about waiting a long time after release for crucial updates (such as Wayland Implicit sync), and the OS's toolset is *built* for DIY/ricing. What a lot of people see as unnecessary complication is just room for customization.

[@TheFeelTrain]

Same here. Been daily driving Arch for 8 years now. It's the smoothest and most pleasant experience I've had. I could never live without the AUR again.

[@itsaducklin]

installing vscode on arch and having it actually work is being a complete pain for me, every version except the regular flatpak wouldn't detect my c++ compilers, and the flatpak version.. is horrible :/

[@JamariuzRizzmataz]

Kind of fascinates me how different linux experience can be for different people. Ofc it is given but almost 70% of issues you faced were no problem for me at all. I hope you find a suitable desktop experience you hope, also great setup.

[@Gaius__]

The _great setup_ causes most of the problems ... as long as the huge hard- and software manufacturers keep treating Linux like the unwanted third child, it doesn't matter how good the Linux devs are, or how hard they work. Greed is not so good, after all.

[@NtcPedroPeterNews]

Brother, these experiments are fantastic and so entertainment to watch. Love your content!

[@kavaianimu4631]

I have sold my pc yesterday thinking that i couls live without it. I cant.

[@7eis]

I recommend cigarettes and alcohol instead

[@ordinarryalien]

Try angel dust.

[@sdoix]

If u rly need it maybe rebuy it, and if you sold it for too little, buy something used/refurbished

[@CoolyCools]

try weed

[@powerdude_dk]

I think I'll be owning several computers to the moment I leave this world. I simply enjoy using them too much. They're so versatile! Both used for leisure, hobby projects and serious work. Incredible tool!

[@tanawatjukmongkol2178]

Welcome to the tiling window management cult! To many, learning Linux and tiling window manager workflow is a waste of time, but to few people who sees the value of it swears by it.

[@1Iljo1]

Also hyprland would I think be perfect for your usecase, combined with something like endeavorOS, imo with the newest nvidia driver it works perfectly

[@trajectoryunown]

I hate tiling window managers in general, but Hyprland is amazing.

[@lritzdorf]

On my Nvidia (1660 Ti) system, Hyprland has also worked great! I can't make any guarantees about the 4090, of course, but the general state of things is a lot better than the wiki's "Nvidia not supported!!" message would suggest.

[@KingKrouch]

Was trying to get Hyprland working on NixOS and there's like zero documentation on how to get extensions working. Like the extensions are available as Nix packages on the Nix site, but seems like nobody has documented how to use them.

[@KingKrouch]

And once NVK matures and when Ubuntu, Fedora, and others include NVIDIA's open source modules out of the box, the NVIDIA driver issues on Linux will probably be a thing of the past. Although I'm unsure how NVK will work with CUDA or DLSS (in games) stuff.

[@SEF84]

It reminds me just how much I take for granted having Linux finally working for my use case that I have the luxury to daily drive it now despite initially having several issues that I need to fight with that I ended up just switching back to Windows previously. I hope the next time you revisit it, it will fit nicely with your use case especially since that beast of a spec will be thoroughly supported in the future kernel updates now that Nvidia open source are slowly becoming a thing. Great video!

[@nutamn]

Love the Takeshi Abo for the intro, frutiger aero my beloved

[@mysterial0]

and how is Takeshi Abo related to Frutiger Aero?

[@cosmin1128]

@@mysterial0 a lot of nostalgic themed videos about frutiger aero aesthetic use takeshi abo's LEASE song as default

[@GarrettRogers2002]

This is one of my favorite videos that you've made. Looking forward to part 3

[@slava6105]

Waiting 10 years for "I forced myself to use windows for 30 days".

[@supermaster1325]

"i forced myself to use windows 1.0 for 30 days"🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@GG22n]

Well he has no reason to XD

[@BrodieRobertson]

He does it again

[@Livakivi]

and I'll fkn do it again (very soon)

[@Xaito]

I've switched to Linux last year and tried different distros with relatively few issues. Seeing all those issues you ran into is really surprising.

[@sharbly]

Everybody is mentioning arch, and I know some people think nixos is kind of overhyped, but IME it makes this kind of tinkering incredibly easy. You've got everything you do and that changes clearly documented in a config in git, and if your system completely breaks, it's incredibly easy to roll back any changes. I'm always enjoying your videos and your perspective, so I'm looking forward to more! :)

[@Technerd207]

It has been a shock for me how many problems you encountered no matter the distro and de. Neither my PC (rx480 before, now 6800xt) nor laptop (with a 1650) have given me any problems on arch with Gnome. You didn't mention gaming in your use cases, so might I suggest using the amd igpu for rendering with Wayland(there isn't a better linux experience than amd on Wayland in terms of smoothness and things just working) and using the 4090 just as an accelerator card for video editing? It isn't a perfect solution and it would probably limit the max refresh rate of your monitor, but seeing these visual anomalies and lack of stability has made me rethink should I recommend linux to friends.

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

It seems to be an issue with other distros using older drivers and packages. Since linux development has accelerated in the last few years so you really do need the newest packages. Distros with older packages are no longer worth it. If you want the most stable experience, use Arch or EndeavourOs honestly. Thats what I would recommend. Perhaps other distros will catch up in a few years but for now they are unusuable.

[@Technerd207]

​@@AndRei-yc3ti Arch has been great and the AUR combined with the wiki is a god sent. Even on the 1650 in my laptop Wayland works like a charm. It's a shame people are scared of arch (most of them are also scared of the terminal, but that is a whole other rat nest). As long as you use archinstall it is just as easy to install as Ubuntu or Fedora. Its UI is a bit bare, but I mean an installer is meant to be useful, not pretty. I haven't used endeverOS, but as an arch base distro that isn't Manjaro it also looks like a solid option.

[@FemboyCatGaming]

Like two months ago I had slight screen tearing issues with wayland and nvidia which were solved by a driver update. Ive had zero problems since. Ngl I'd recommend people use Fedora or openSUSE tumbleweed or an arch-like distro (endeavor or manjaro) if they are a beginner and plan on gaming or using newer hardware. Debian and its ilk all have woefulluy outdated kernel and drivers which always lead to problems you dont get on Fedora,

[@rinkusonic]

One thing I learnt from the fall of windows mobile is that no matter beautiful and smooth the os is, it lives and dies by 3rd party software.

[@ssgtblackmamba7991]

You did so much work to get things up and running the way you want/need, you might as well just tried Arch Linux 😂 Great video thanks👍

[@henri8194]

Thanks for the video! Interesting perspectives. Hope you are enjoying your time in Japan!

[@fighiblue5673]

Even though hyprland is not officially supported by nvidia, it works very well with the latest nvidia wayland driver (tested on ubuntu 24.04 with an nvidia ada GPU)

[@crazct]

nvidia works find on hyprland, its just the specific wayland bugs that happen on basically whatever compositor you use that makes it a pain for nvidia users

[@doveofdestiny]

Great video, you may want to use arch, as you have newer hardware, arch and debian both allow you to only use i3 - without installing other things that will conflict with it. And also you could try gnome with forge tiling. Would love a part 3!

[@zlsKeksia]

"other than that"...that's the Linux experience

[@jfolz]

That implies there is no "other than that" elsewhere. I had tons of issues with Windows 10 until it bricked itself with a forced update.

[@noahwaaga5079]

@@jfolz My brother was resetting his pc on windows, (not wipe drive reset, just windows reset) and bricked itself when he tried to turn it on again

[@zlsKeksia]

@@jfolz yeah, only if there was a os that had best of all worlds!, gaming, hardware support, customization, software support etc

[@Noriaela]

@@jfolz Linux is historically awful when it comes to issues. The biggest thing holding Linux back is the users that pretend nothing is wrong with it. There's plenty of basic things that outright do not work or have issues because there's zero consistency with Linux. If Linux had actual standards then there would be a lot less problems but due to the open source nature, there never will be, therefor Linux will likely never go far in the desktop space. People wanna boast about how well gaming but that doesn't matter when basic things like audio drivers dont work.

[@jfolz]

@@Noriaela what a weird take. What does "historically awful when it comes to issues" even mean?

[@aa898246]

u should try arch. like specifically cachyos. everything does work out of the box. and with btrfs assistant + snapshots, you can't break everything permanently since you can rollback to previous snapshots

[@whiskytangofoxtrot_]

Being completely honest it does suck when I see a video like this. Because yes I and a lot of other people spent a lot of time getting to know the quirks so I can pick apart the video and see all the small issues that lead to a bad user experience (using debian based on new hardware, using i3 an x11 tiling manager, and installing these on fedora when you really want the newest packages from something like arch or arch derivatives) All in all its good to see more people giving it a shot, even if its not for everyone.

[@tom_marsden]

The "I felt like I was wasting my time" section perfectly describes my experiences over the years with Linux.

[@Kabinbr]

I don't think it's a total waste of time because I can say I had fun using Linux for many many years and doing gaming on it, it's like a hobby or something fun that you do in your free time

[@ekaterinaburakova8629]

Thanks for documenting your struggles, man. Hopefully, Linux will become smoother for NVIDIA users one day.

[@BernardoHenriquez]

Arch, just remember, Arch

[@jan_harald]

I use artix btw

[@jasonheesch609]

Arch is my favorite but I couldn't get Plex to work. Nevertheless I still prefer it.

[@Fadelz]

Thank you for being very transparent with the experience I am not a linux user but hey waiting on that Archlinux video one day

[@Sawaame]

RAAAAH I've been waiting 🎉🎉🎉

[@sesimie]

A Wealth of information in this video. Really shows the frustrations of the DIY mentality of using Linux coming from a "set it and forget it" lifestyle of Windows.

[@andrewmk8514]

You must be the unluckiest Linux user ever. Ive installed various distros and have never come across the Gnome/KDE ssues you faced in both videos.

[@mrhashbrown8283]

The first part is a comfort video, I’m so happy you uploaded this

[@XueYlva]

I forced myself to use Windows for 20+ years I switched to Linux to fuck around, but I found out how good it was

[@christiangonzalez6945]

so you fucked around and find out, lol

[@majoraslayer64]

I have to ask, how did you "force" yourself to use Windows for over 20 years? I'm not arguing in defense of Windows itself by any means, but I'm trying to wrap my mind around how you had to force yourself to use it if you didn't already know of an alternative you liked better. Did you just really hate using computers?

[@chloektty]

The one and only creator that makes long form content extremely enjoyable. We love you Liva and keep up the good work

[@Afurai_]

I love how most of the comments are a variant of "works on my machine." I too had a myriad of issues with X11/Xorg and Wayland, which forced me to stop using Linux after weeks of tinkering-the true vegans of technology >inb4 "iTs bEcAuSe oF NvIdiA" Guys... Wayland, the "new protocol," has been in development for 16 years, and things still do not work 100% properly running it, even on AMD. How is any of that NVIDIA's fault when these open source developers can't go a *single minute without getting into a techno-political or governmentally-political hissy fit?* These comments are indicative of what the average Linux *user* is like, just imagine a *for free* Linux developer... I want to love Linux, but the community, innumerable amount of issues on the desktop, and the constant political in-fighting that haults development prevents me from doing so personally

[@chanm01]

Every time I start feeling like "okay Windows, THAT was the last straw" I come to youtube and watch someone's Linux challenge and end up saving myself a lot of work.

[@RandomPate]

He should just use Arch, btw

[@gmt1]

Another great video. It's quite eye opening seeing all these issues, and experiments, given Linux has been mostly flawless for me. Been on all AMD for 4~ years since Fedora 36. Could never get Davinci Resolve working correctly and gave up ages ago. Shotcut is sorely lacking, but works for my basic needs. Hopefully Fedora 40+Nvidia will sort itself out and DR can stop randomly breaking.

[@RinajiTheFool]

Listening to someone doing anything on Linux is like listening to arcane knowledge.

[@kinjames8635]

i daily drive a linux machine for like 7 months now and i have no clue to what he is talking about 80% of the time, i just play games and surf the web, so it feels the same as windows

[@jeffbronson3696]

The part 2 we’ve all been waiting for

[@_Unknown_143]

Can u make a video about your anki add-ons?

[@Livakivi]

I've never used any, other than Migaku for sentence mining (and the global hotkey that lets you search copied text in the card browser), and AnkiConnect for both Migaku and yomichan.

[@oranieldias]

Man, you just starts to build your own distro. That's insane! 😮

[@GermanLc]

just use arch

[@adrian80_]

btw

[@adrian80_]

but yeah latest hardware probably works better on arch

[@GermanLc]

@@Uday_shirbhate never had problems with nvidia on linux

[@larsradtke4097]

Tumbleweed.

[@trajectoryunown]

@@GermanLc Nvidia's getting better by the day. You just need an OS that's optimized for it. That's something I think a lot of people don't get. If you just select whatever sounds good and neglect to ensure that there's focused support for Nvidia cards you're very likely to encounter problems.

[@zsombortoth7491]

12:53 What? A new keyboard!!! It looks soo great

[@DarkSoul-pb6dv]

i am a new linux user and my god i was so happy to go back to windows it is awful can't use corsair ICUE software for the dolby surround sound and had laggy desktop experience and spend hours trying to get games to work properly was getting big lag spikes in world of tanks all the time until it randomly stopped and it gave me the exact same fps as windows does so waste of time also i had my games on a 3rd party game launcher and every time i restarted my pc and loaded into linux the games would show up as not available so even more time wasted i would love it so much if linux youtubers would stop pretending that linux is perfect and just leave windows users alone

[@tablettablete186]

I love Linux, but people saying that "is is perfect" is so annoying. It gives people a false impression and when they try it, everything falls apart and the user gets super angry. Other don't even try to improve the situation, they just pretend everything is ok.

[@julienfrench2963]

Now to see your experience with nvidia and linux make me sooo happy to have an AMD GPU and use gnome without issue

[@sus-ln1nm]

Just use Arch.

[@Rood67]

At fifteen minutes in, I kept waiting for “I ran into this other problem, so I finally installed Arch. Now everything just works the way I wanted.”

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

Honestly, dont know why Liva avoids arch. Most of his problems would have been solved since Arch is a bit easier to use and is easier to add packages to. Plus has better support

[@ordinarryalien]

By the way.

[@IAmPixelRice]

NO, other KZbinrs have tried the same thing, can we at least have a man that can stick to fedora?, it has massive support too.

[@ordinarryalien]

@@IAmPixelRice The package installation is very slow.

[@Eyad_Jawad]

Your video got me into many many other videos just THIS WEEK, so it's a bit absurd you post another video updating the situation, since I'm hesitated if Linux will be good. Anyway your content is 10 out of the box💯.

[@Bloop42106]

I actually started using Linux after seeing your video and loved it, but it doesn't support my desktop's wifi chip, so only on my laptop can I use Linux. So now my desktop is Windows 10, and my laptop is NyxOS/Arch

[@Technerd207]

I also have some problems with my wifi dongle chip set drivers no longer working. If you are in a pinch you can use your phone as a wifi card using USB tethering as I have been doing for the last month. It isn't exactly convenient, but at least it works until I get an Intel ax200 on a pcie card.

[@KingKrouch]

It might be worth considering replacing your desktop's WiFi card with a recent Intel compatible one. I heard that MediaTec (Although at least with my laptop, WiFi and BT works fine) and Realtek networking drivers have historically had issues on Linux. Once WiFi 7 releases to the masses, I probably will upgrade the WiFi card on my desktop ITX motherboard and gaming laptops to an Intel one that supports that standard.

[@SpiderUnderUrBed_Alt]

I got a wifi dongle for my friend and it helped

[@9KandA2]

Thank you very much for the timestamps, so easy to watch the video. And thank you for saying your experience with linux

[@ThatTrueCJ201]

Hyprland on Nvidia isn't that bad these days. Any issues I ran into was due to wayland, rather than Hyprland

[@Alteralph]

bro literally summarized my experience in the last 6 months, crazy

[@powerfulaura5166]

>wants to try linux again >admits hardware incompatibility held him back last time >finally has the opportunity to build a new desktop >goes w/ an nvidia video card bruh

[@abdullahbinnur5592]

He didn't build a pc around using Linux, he just built one for his usecase

[@tablettablete186]

​@@abdullahbinnur5592Which is video editing, something that NVIDIA is just better. It is like CUDA, AMD isn't even a choice.

[@ijustwannacomment5078]

Cause who wants to use amd?

[@abdullahbinnur5592]

@@ijustwannacomment5078 gamers?

[@ijustwannacomment5078]

@@abdullahbinnur5592 But Nvidia is better? For Gaming, and for 99% of things on pc in general.

[@kvxpe0]

Love your videos, I especially likes the MacOS, Linux and renovation ones, keep doing what you're doing man

[@Beetlebugoid]

Ubuntu and Nobara... Jesus, does anyone have to say more?

[@iiisaac1312]

Nobara is for the kid in the family that was the "tech wizard" because he knew how to install a printer driver on the family computer. They let it get to their head and considered themselves "tech experts" up until the point a Gentoo user dabbed on them with a custom kernel. So they installed Nobara so they could claim they know "How to use Linux" but really all they do is play video games and watch youtube on it (they use it exactly like their previous windows machine).

[@draftofspasiba2]

And what would you recommend, Debian? Haha. He also tried Fedora on the video and it didn't end well. I can only think of CachyOS for now, but that would also have the same implications with KDE/GNOME for him.

[@draftofspasiba2]

@@gotaro69 1 month ago comment, I don't remember what he said. Watch the full video and you'll find out.

[@nakkimyself]

thank you so much Liva i rewatch this kind of videos a lot

[@MoonMoon-li2qe]

Windows 10 is hands down the best OS. The Start Menu is perfect for finding everything, unlike the weird Mac dock or Linux terminals. Plus, Windows is the king of gaming with all the best titles and platforms like Steam and Xbox Game Pass. I've been using Windows forever, and it just feels right-no need to learn a whole new system. All the essential software, like Word and Photoshop, works seamlessly on Windows. And let's not forget all the video editing software! Why struggle with anything else when Windows 10 just works? Another pointless video, hope your next video is more productive. Thanks Livekivi

[@russellhammond1283]

The problem with Windows is not in the system itself but in the cost of the software you have to acquire to do the various tasks you want to do. With the linux paradism I can build a very powerful system for next to no financial outlay.

[@Riolu467]

You forgot that windows is paid, has ads, spys on you, you don't need to use linux terminal to open apps, is less bloated, etc. Plus Microsoft has a monopoly due to devs only making apps for windows because of its massive market share. Though for gaming and work windows is best for now, gaming can be a laggy pain if you need to use proton, and alot of apps for work ain't on linux. I use linux on my laptop for fun and screwing around, and windows 10 on my pc for bigger games. Also microsoft in their endless greed are ending support for windows 10 to get people to swap to the mess that is windows 11.

[@draftofspasiba2]

​@@Riolu467no one pays for windows and you can debloat/remove spyware easily since there are tons of tools for it. I dual boot win11 ltsc and arch, both are good for me and I didn't spend a cent doing it.

[@1Iljo1]

New livakivi video, what a great day. I'm excited

[@a1ltair]

You have very specific needs for sure, I got zero issues with windows, linux or macos but maybe I am to comfy with imperfection in sophisticated program software, because I am programmer myself

[@TheLordNugget]

Dude, your setup with the tiling manager just looks like a modernized Windows 3.0. Guess that desktop environments are like fashion, nothing is out of style forever.

[@bandyinkeplayz4404]

"King uploads I watch" 🗣🔥🔥💯💯

[@yeshey5443]

I forget how good I am in my nixOS distro now 😅, the transition and the learning curve is HUGE, but the reliablity, and being able to switch back if anything goes wrong are unmatched

[@IAmPixelRice]

As a fedora user, I’m proud you are using fedora :D

[@GoogleAdmiin]

Keep up we want see more Linux and gaming on Linux fedora 🐧 waiting for part 3 🔥😅

[@koski7579]

i installed linux(mint) for the first time in my life 3 days ago. similar problem with your last video where your main monitor wouldnt stay at desired hertz rate but i got that sorted out thank god. Been very happy with it and even baldurs gate 3 runs very well on this

[@coyotepunk05]

I was expecting this to end on arch + hyprland 100%. Ironically works better than all of the other "just works" distros and managers out there.

[@Puncs1337]

12:55 these keycaps look so good!

[@GXShade]

Timeshift might be your best friend when comes to Linux.

[@alex_falcon]

Watching this video made me realize how terrible of an experience running Linux on Nvidia is... I too get occasional minor graphical glitches on my Intel/AMD laptop but this is madness, it's like Nvidia users have been missing out on like 10 years of progress. Hopefully explicit sync support fixes as much of this mess as possible. Also, I recommend using Hyprland for your WM. The community is a little cringe but the product is incredible, easily the best WM I've ever used. The devs somehow manage to add features at breakneck pace mostly without breaking stuff. Oh, and their wiki is very well made, too. It is a Wayland compositor, though. Great video as always, cheers!

[@umut-sbd]

Man I love your channel! We are lowkey the same. Grinding Japanese for years (obv. not at your level, YET) and distrohopping too www.

[@Katiedid2040]

Based on what you said in the outro, I seriously think that Arch would be a good fit for you. There's quite a lot of setup up front but once you get your system the way you want it, in my experience it's pretty difficult to permanently break it, especially if you have a proper backups system just in case you somehow pull a Linus (Sebastian) and uninstall your DE or GRUB or something. Seriously, give it a try. Worst case scenario it sounds like the sort of thing you'd get quite the kick out of and have some fun experimenting with, best case scenario you've got the best PC experience you've ever had.

[@rgbmew]

its my lucky day. not only is it a new liva vid, but a LINUX LIVA VID

[@clairencoffee]

these videos really feel like a reality check when it comes to alternative software, i see people criticize popular software a lot and recommend alternatives but currently it's just not worth the trouble to switch to an alternative os if you're trying to do anything other than basic computer tasks

[@AnalyticMinded]

Great video. Hope your journey with Linux continues to get better! My two cents: if you have some spare change, get yourself an old PC, and install Arch+i3/Sway. Don't install the window manager alongside a full desktop environment because they will clash. With older hardware, you should have a more pleasant experience to tinker and get to know your system. Once you have a deeper understanding of how things work in the OS, then you can try reinstalling Linux on your production machine. I did something similar to you: I had only 1 laptop to work with 4 years ago when I switched to Linux, and it was NOT fun! Anyway, cheers!

[@AnalyticMinded]

@sukairaida2 Obviously you are not going to use production tools on a non-production machine. You're learning the OS in general.

[@oaksaint4458]

Aw man I'm sorry to hear you had those issues. My Fedora Gnome Wayland installation on an NVIDIA GPU is running super smoothly. I had a lot of issues with KDE though, I've switched to Gnome and it seems much more polished.

[@xKernelDev]

I love that you have some problems that weren't even discovered yet XD

[@ateyygmd]

finally, the long awaited sequel

[@bendygr8260]

it's been so long you've came so far and you still have the same outcome

[@Stridsvagn69420]

i3 was also my first tiling window manager and while it does work great, I find Hyprland comes with a lot of stuff preconfigured or even working better, e.g. compositing, rounded corners and animations. I suggest trying out both Sway or SwayFX (basically Wayland i3) and Hyprland, since Sway uses OpenGL as a backend and Hyprland uses Vulkan afaik. At least that's what I think because the RPi 4's VideoCore IV GPU only supports OpenGL and Sway works flawlessly, whereas Hyprland ran like it renders on the CPU. Also the distro you use can really make a difference, mostly because of the Kernel it ships with. I guess you could try Manjaro, unless you want to go for Arch directly. I would've said try Fedora, but you already did and it seems they've changed a lot about it that just gets in the way.

[@1gmar]

Waiting for part 3 where you can give Pop!_OS a shot 😅. I've been daily driving it for the past 6+ months, it's not perfect, but it is good enough to keep me away from Windows (I run a RTX 4080). Great video 👍

[@NevelWong]

I tried PopOS yesterday and couldn't even get the nvidia drivers running, despite downloading the "nvidia iso". I think it doesn't support multiple gpus. Oh and PopOS didn't install from any usb drive that's not under sda/sdb/sdc, which took me waaay too long to realize. In the end I just went back to Ubuntu, which worked out of the box.

[@WyvernDotRed]

As much as I do not want to rain on your parade nor devalue the Linux desktop, Pop!_OS has been one of the most problematic distro's I have tried so far. While this is 2 years back, it managed to bloat log files to 10s of gigabytes and break updates by handling the bootloader partition wrongly. Along with the desktop still being based on GNOME, bringing all related issues. This while daily-driving Garuda Linux (a relatively obscure and opinionated Arch Linux layer distro) and having tried a variety of distros. Including Manjaro (ugh), OpenSUSE (lacking support) and Clear Linux (royal.pain in the arse, but great for my server). Given the issues which bothered Livakivi here along with my poor experiences with the distro, I disagree with the recommendation.

[@Chris-mr8ef]

Linux has come a long way. Especially when we talk about WMs , most of the times are projects created by individuals on their spare time free for anyone to use or contribute. Thats nothing sort of magical. I mean taking a community project which is better in many ways than corporate software with hundreds of devs behind it is amazing. Anyway , i think for part 3 you should do Arch+ Hyprland ( thats what i use for almost 2 years now) and then do urself a favor and opt for an AMD system. :D

[@haxxiDoesRandomStuff]

I've been waiting for this video for a long time ...

[@legomovieman2]

The slow march towards Arch/EndeavourOS is never ending