I found the best Sub Rogue openers for PvP (TWW S1 Guide)

[@alacritysp]

Intro was... powerful

[@georgetohme5658]

Outro even more

[@ArenaMasterNikitoo]

Bro always has the best rotation and explains everything thanks

[@jljhighroller511]

Thanks for taking the time and coming to do this! And also for the video

[@PeterSangut]

Oh my god, 10000% improved my PVP with those talents and rotation, this man is a Rogue GOD

[@paulo8301]

Hey Palu, thanks for the guide, it helped a lot, you're the best!

[@Raegis.]

I just did my first bg in years and got ripped to shreds... which led me to this video... and now i'm a new sub (pun intended).

[@starjyy]

hey palumor, great video! thank you! but shouldn't we open with a stun?

[@Palumor]

You'd think so but it's just awful to play like that right now. Lose out on so much damage, can't even do an opener with flag since it doesn't build combo points, makes the rotation clunky and terrible!

[@catclipcentral]

Isnt opening with shadow strike and flag risky because they can cc you before you reach the gcd for a kidney? Plenty of times I've been coiled or stunned etc before I can stun them and it feels like the go is ruined after that.

[@majkatrojedjece6585]

This can work in bg blitz setting, in arena setting you kind of have to open with cheap, because every decent player has stun arena1 arena2 arena3 macro and as soon as you show and pop non cheap cd you get insta cced and your burst wasted or trinket wasted

[@Palumor]

Definitely disagree. Thought and talked about it with Kalvish a lot and we kind of agreed its just terrible to open in stuns with how the game is right now. Just play to ramp up and play around pressure, not just a full cc opener.

[@unofficialrick]

Showtime the King is back 🔥

[@DraIucard]

Hey thanks a lot for the update, there's one thing I don't really understant tho, on the trickster full burst, why are we sending an evis before using secret technique ?

[@DraIucard]

Nvm you already answered that to someone else^^

[@pxkdrake]

I see this vid is a bit older so maybe somethin changed or maybe I'm missing something/missed the explanation somehow. But why is Rupture needed for sub in place of the kidney? Rupture has no special interaction with deathstalkers mark afaik and youd still get the big eviscerate at the end of the rotation, ss - flag - kidney - everything + ss - 1 evisc - ss - 2 tech - cheap - 3 evisc - cheap - big evisc. I mean the other rotation works too, you just end up trading a rupture for 1 second less stun and 1 less ss but you also start off slower because you dont stun until 2 - 3 globals after opening. Edit - After running it again the only problem I see is that tea will fall off just before the big evisc, also if u dont play it perfect shadow dance could possibly fall off as well, the big evisc should happen on the 7th second after popping dance, giving u 1 sec of room.

[@xxgeimxx]

Its to line up finality evis with darkest night

[@Róçkös-moonguard]

FINALLY A BUILD THAT IS MORE POWERFUL THAN MINE!😳Respect Palumor.

[@Druzard97]

I love your videos man, it would be nice to see a full guide with strategies for arena and stuff, also your macros😅

[@dustinhipsher6341]

Are you manually using tea and symbols and badge or do you macro them together somehow?

[@fujiwhara-]

a real pal

[@arnymon9340]

Thanks for guide and slooooooooooow mooooooooooo, for sloooooow rooooogues 😁 Btw: after Tech that first Evi does not crit 7M for me, only 2 something, Deathstalker..

[@zayon0170]

so much appreciated, ty 😘

[@officialtog]

Found this video just in time. My rouge is 72 gonna be 80 tonight and I plan to be a pvp menace by tomorrow

[@caemdare8248]

Best streamer ever

[@Tapiorable]

How much (or little) do you prioritize keeping up ruptures with this build?

[@zayon0170]

perdonally i drop the +6%crit on Symbils and still get the aoe +20% raptur AND ITS FKING MASSIVE (expecially with Flag due to mastery) in soloQ it helps me a lot to have much bigger pressure

[@Palumor]

Just depends what comp im playing tbh, rupture slams though. Its situational imo

[@MrJeden]

Whats better spec for bgs and solo shuffle and dueling ?

[@T_GOD-p2y]

with the deathstalker mark build if you sod before the big evis shouldn't it do way more dmg?

[@ScottDonovan-hx2iz]

Would you alter this build for Mage/rogue 2s? No subterfuge and just one vanish feels insane for it so curious if you'd drop either the supercharger stuff or vigor and thistle tea

[@Palumor]

Yea most likely, but whos playing rogue mage 2s in TWW 💀

[@ScottDonovan-hx2iz]

@ lol my friend and I are about to try so wish us luck

[@inspyre4312]

​@Palumor i was super excited to. Had some insane go's and still just lost everytime. That was start xpac. Now with all the changes id say its prob even worse. Double dps is so awful in tww

[@shurik6229]

you're the best thanks mate my best regards to Kalvish 😊

[@zachyang3816]

how do you open with cheapshot? what if you got insta cc'd after first shadowstrike

[@xDroozyy]

I came for the intro. Literally

[@Illonn]

You should type rotation in the comment right after posting for people with Hearing problems or problems with listening & better reading, I don’t have any problem just an idea , makes you a better KZbinr/guider

[@lownes]

Thanks dude. You are best.

[@csng93]

What are these weapons transmog and buffs on them bro? Looks bomb.. I need it.. :)

[@Palumor]

Glorious tyranny enchant from mop 2200 rating, been unobtainable for like a decade :/. Weapons are a random dagger and fist weapon is calamitys grasp

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Are you able to help me with keybinding these so that it feels quite natural? Or perhaps macroing several of the abilities into one press? New to Rogue here, but I get lost with the order of buttons sometimes. Any tips on macros/binds would be lovely. in an ideal world, I'd like to see this entire combo macroed into a cast sequence but I'm too stupid to do that by myself

[@ericharmon8152]

I created a cast sequence for you homie open with this: #showtooltip /castsequence reset=15 Shadowstrike, Rupture, Flagellation, Shadow Dance, Shadow Blades, Cheap Shot, Secret Technique, Symbols of Death,, Shadowstrike, Eviscerate, Shadowstrike, Eviscerate, Cheapshot . this hits max character limit, after you finish this cast sequence you can just shadowstrike evis cheap over and over with some vanishes maybe. Yw in advance and gl mate!

[@ericharmon8152]

here is the talents i use: CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbmZWmGzswMDjhxYmZGzY2GzYmlthZYmxAWGDAAAAzwMsYWmxsNDjFGWmZbahWmFGD The order of the rotation is very slightly diff from video but i personally prefer this.

[@Palumor]

That is one of the worst parts of sub tbh, how many unique off GCD cds you have. I’d macro orc racial if you have+symbols+badge together and then like dance and tea together in another macro

[@Stribogboi]

That macro actually works?​@@ericharmon8152

[@shurik6229]

I just realised you're a dragon now =) does it worth it? besides that, would you share the darkest night WA?

[@Palumor]

I just use TellMeWhen. !tmw in my twitch chat will pull up a command for you to make one like that. Also dragon is just for the memes haha, not super great.

[@FistofBuddy]

The deathstalker opener doesnt stun till 4th global, is there a way to do it with a cheap shot opener?

[@Palumor]

There is yes, but its just terrible and significantly less dmg. Always better to ramp up with how the game is this xpac

[@ab-bk8fe]

Yes great!! thanks for the guide!! haha!! helps a ton!! and yea I like trickster too

[@cerseis666]

There are pvp dummies in Dornogal next to pvp vendors, multi target and single target dummies. They activate pvp talents and take pvp stuns.

[@Palumor]

Ah didn't realize the dummies in Org were outdated, thought they just changed it recently. Good comms.

[@iluminax9320]

Hey Palumor is this still up to date, thins change so quickly

[@JorCarz]

how is called the addoms that you used?

[@maddog6685]

reckon he knows not having 2 daggers as rogue makes your Secret tech hit less?

[@shabs1216]

hi, the problem I currently have is that when i press "tab" to get my next target, i sometimes hit pets without realising it lol is there any way to only target enemy players and not pets or other useless stuff?

[@peterkarlsson8667]

Keybinds -> targeting-> target nearest enemy player

[@Palumor]

What peter said

[@WalkingGermany]

someone copied my one sided orb shoulder style for rogue. try the shoulder cape (dueler's midnight or faded) instead of armor as 2nd shoulder slot. fares well with the hood.

[@Lthebbe]

How do you set this up tho? Whenever I open without CC I just get CC'd myself and it ruins the whole opener.

[@infraredpen]

Yeah having to open with 2 globals before you stun the target doesn't seem super practical. But I couldn't really figure out a smooth way to open with cheap shot while also using flagellation, so idk if there is a "perfect" opener.

[@Palumor]

Sap something and strike in to start, think of it more as ramp up then opening to insta 1 shot, thats just not the best way to play anymore regardless.

[@Illonn]

Is rupture or backstab used at alll?

[@Palumor]

Depends on the comp your playing if you’re rupturing imo, but yeah. I usually shuriken storm>backstab to build points unless it will break cc

[@sadoki6952]

Where do we get the helmet transmog in grey/black?

[@Palumor]

Halloween event vendor!

[@withsapphires]

😈🥵😍... That last line

[@zayon0170]

as trickster why not Tech first to get fee buffs (expecially the reset on hidden blade so you get next 2 shadowstrikes buffed 🧐)

[@Palumor]

Tech first or second is negligible without 4set I feel like, I just sent second for an extra danse stack. Both work!

[@lilbadnorth]

Do you have a macro you use when you pop blades + dance+ badge + tea + symbols?

[@Palumor]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death /cast Symbols of Death /cast Shadow Dance /cast Blood Fury /use Forged Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity Blades separate and tea separate, although I do also macro tea into Dance.

[@Stribogboi]

​@@PalumorYou can also type /use 12 (top trinket) or /use 13 (Bottom Trinket)

[@bdb528]

thanks dude

[@Claw94]

thats a nice mog

[@AshenOne-f1v]

Could u do one for Assa or no longer viable nowadays?

[@Palumor]

Assa very squishy so its not very meta imo, not playing it atm so prob no guide for a bit - if you're committed to assa my best advice is IMPROVED GARROTE. That is all you need to know brother

[@MrJeden]

drachtyr is a good race for rogues?

[@Palumor]

Nope :)

[@MrJeden]

@@Palumor thats to bad:/ i hate horde races for Rogue.. at least drachtyr can look human :)

[@rsc4621]

Why no kidney shot in the deathstalker opener ?

[@Palumor]

Rupture just cranks for Dstalker, can do either technically

[@ab-bk8fe]

Hey guys so for every rogue here what you guys think of there 4 piece bonus worth it or stick with the 2 pieces ?

[@Palumor]

2 piece for sub

[@ab-bk8fe]

@@Palumor ok perfect thank you very much 🙏. Love the guide and works perfect can really almost one shot everyone full PvP almost just need like several more 639 ones to replace the 636 bloody ones … except those priests who still keeps getting buffed by blizzard …….. so annoying .. but anyhow thanks again !!!

[@paintballguj904]

Why is dagger and fist in offhand better then 2 dag

[@Palumor]

Offhand doesn’t matter, just want vers mast. 2 daggers technically is bis but the difference is sooooo negligible

[@felixbermudez3782]

I hear the audio but all I see is an empty webcam does everyone else see a ghost?????

[@Palumor]

LOL

[@Loner66]

Why is evis in front of tech, why not tech-strike-evis (4set more DMG)？？？

[@Palumor]

Only playing 2 set, I just tech 2nd for late dmg+1 more danse stack. It doesn't rlly matter tbh don't overthink it!

[@zachyang3816]

not opening with cheapshot is dangerous

[@jarred9561]

Would this even be good in arena?

[@Palumor]

Of course

[@jarred9561]

Tyvm I shall try it out tonight!

[@wubbieXD]

ahh what hood/mask is that?

[@Palumor]

From Hallows end event 150 tricky treats!

[@thecitywentaway]

Can you do assa now?

[@plague6174]

No subterfuge/double vanish? Yeah you lost me. That's just beyond fried. That's a well done steak. It's fine. Wasn't planning on playing rogue this xpac anyway with how much negative feedback I've seen on the class. Even Pika has rerolled Feral.

[@Palumor]

Yea sub is boned rn haha, big burst though

[@Mizuno6857]

why don't you use secret tech sooner?

[@Palumor]

Doesn't matter tbh, can tech first or second. You lose danse dmg on tech, or you lose flawless dmg on evis. It's negligible.

[@Mizuno6857]

@@Palumor awesome, ty!

[@fancen]

OPEN MY CAVITY

[@fallefel8132]

what

[@fancen]

@@fallefel8132 Sorry

[@fallefel8132]

@@fancen No, no, open my cavity aswell!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@keyanmoore916]

Can you please do assassin burst macro

[@sp_xv]

kalv is a g

[@inspyre4312]

Terrifying intro. Thankfully i had a change of shorts

[@TheInterceptus]

Sub or assa ?

[@Palumor]

Sub hype

[@m3hy337]

heaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllll ya, love u man tnx for guide

[@daocethiopia179]

i just sub because of the ghost sht hahah

[@DH-ht9pl]

Outlaw guide please ❤

[@Palumor]

Id check out my DF outlaw guide, its mostly still relevant, just get some vers>haste>crit gear

[@kevinbarragan21]

🥕

[@Taessya]

" I found " hahahaha

[@nicob8922]

Aaaaand how i get this head tmog

[@Palumor]

Halloween event 150 tricky treats!

[@zefzima]

Sjeez 100-0 in opener without even reaching full stun cap.

[@zayon0170]

trickster is soooo much easier to play and much less clunky/gimmick, im ha ing so much more fun with it

[@Azouzajtepowned]

Macro burst plsss ! 😅

[@Palumor]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death /cast Symbols of Death /cast Shadow Dance /cast Blood Fury /use Forged Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity

[@mr.alexeitonkov2967]

Sub rogue is garbage now. Bottom C tier class. You can have the perfect rotation you will even get out dmeaged by protection warriors in shuffle

[@WenQ]

Why pvp is so hard?

[@allentheaverageoldjoe]

Still salty about the dropped ball on the viewer assisted macroman challenge, but thanks for the video big dawg🫡

[@СтаниславДмитриев-ы5б]

Both of rotations has stun gaps against Orc

[@Palumor]

Yes sir