I go to the University of Washington to Prove it's a Scam

[@aaronpotter7025]

The first kid is one of the best students I've heard speak to you. He has legit arguments, articulates them well and doesn't seem hell bent on an ideology!

[@robertlee5456]

He's Asian. There's a reason why college-educated Asians are one of the wealthiest and most successful segments of the US population -- they think critically, work their assess off, and maintain a culture of respect and personal responsibility. The Black segment of the US population, on the other hand ...

[@jamest4680]

Yeah, he actually uses evidence.

[@HunterX57]

If only he read the damn book first :p

[@aai4062]

Agree

[@epicfail5707]

Also, the first young man did not choose a worthless degree. Research shows that most humanity degrees are worthless, but STEM and Business degrees are going to allow someone to earn a reasonable income. Lastly, student loans are a horrible idea and should be abolished, because they are going to turn our young people into indenture servants. They are the only debt that cannot be removed via bankruptcy.

[@Guns7469]

I appreciate that young man wasn't interrupting the conversation. He was actually listening to Charlie and respectfully asking questions.

[@mgargiulo243]

It’s amazing how civil discourse can lead to a productive exchange of ideas. Who would’ve thought that!?

[@joemorgenstern9846]

He comes from an Asian culture which is how they mostly conduct themselves. It is admirable.

[@rollinOnCode]

lol that is a pathetic low bar there

[@mmcquay73]

I agree, I was very impressed.

[@rollinOnCode]

@@mmcquay73 about what? how pathetically low is the bar to be impressed? this should be very common baseline expectation.

[@DHM91]

I'm happy to see these two young men represent Washington in a positive light by keeping their side of the conversation just a civil as yours.

[@NicetoNice05]

The Asian dude was very engaged in the conversation respectfully good on him 👏👏 unlike the others in the past just go aggressive and rude..

[@piercezhang8153]

Yes, seems like he has a brain and can actually think about what Charlie was saying, unlike most liberal young girls with lip piercing and blue hair.

[@peterruiz6117]

This was "subduded", compared to most college engaugements Charlie has endoured. The brainwashed leftist talks about "hate speach" being a good reason to get physically violent, when they themselves are some of the most hatefull people around....Aka, blm and anti-feefee.

[@okidokimate1097]

Agreed.

[@CallMeFil]

A man of culture

[@saucy1020]

Honestly I think both of them were good, not just the Asian dude

[@nothim7321]

It's easy to scam someone. It's hard to convince someone they have been scammed after the facts.

[@TightwadTodd]

And Even Harder,to get them to admit to it after you convince them.

[@scottmichael3745]

Someone famous said that quote, can't remember who.. Looked it up, Mark Twain said it first.

[@Saltywengiell]

Especially when the college graduate makes 40% more than high school graduate on average.

[@imupinthetrees]

-mark twain

[@cassiebennet4262]

Especially if they've been scammed. That's the very reason they were scammed in the first place, EGO. Their ego won't allow them to believe that they made a mistake.

[@HeUI4]

PhD chemist here. Don't go into arts and sciences. If you want to study science, go to engineering and fill your electives with science courses.

[@ethanchen9680]

What's your opinion on incredibly useful classes that you didn't expect were useful?

[@johnkirkhoughton1]

Data Scientist here - agree for ~75% of cases. We will still need some with.deep expertise in science fields - until Ai can take over that role (likely ~3 weeks from now). What's sad is the quality of practical guidance made available to students outside the home. In fact, why are we letting these 'children' choose what they study? I think we need to increase the age of adulthood to >= 21.

[@johnkirkhoughton1]

@@ethanchen9680 Charlie Kirk is way unbalanced on this issue. While more narrowly focused paths could be more efficient for some, it comes at the expense of a society lacking adequate awareness of the breadth of knowledge beyond their arm's reach. Many disciplines would evaporate and all that would remain would be hands trained only for the task of the day and none would be any wiser.

[@johnkirkhoughton1]

@@ethanchen9680 Letting a student do all the choosing is not learning. It's the tail wagging the dog.

[@CromwellEdonis]

That’s literally what I am doing. Those are my passions and somehow, I never expected them to be this in-demand.

[@Cf.8463]

I’m so happy I made it out of that university with a sane brain.

[@Dripping-Liquidity]

Same here 😂

[@danimalsound]

Are you using your degree?

[@Cf.8463]

@@danimalsoundI’m an example of someone that Charlie is talking about. I was a communications major and could probably have the sales job that I have now without a degree. I will say that it looked good on a piece of paper when I first graduated in 2016 but that’s about it.

[@etchalaco9971]

@@Cf.8463 could probably? Maybe? Perhaps? Really?

[@Cf.8463]

@@etchalaco9971 I mean who really knows. The skills I learned in college did not apply to my job I’ll tell you that

[@jasongreenwood3260]

I went to school for CS...I learned more from KZbin and online classes than I ever learned from college.

[@Dtgray12]

Same. Learned programming from KZbin.

[@somerandomdude5127]

True but still had to get a degree for a job such a scam 💀

[@drumyogi9281]

@@somerandomdude5127You don’t, though. I am an IT Consultant and work for the State of California and I don’t have a degree. The pay isn’t great but I get great benefits.

[@tristanhopkins869]

are you going for a career in CS?

[@jasonsworld333]

​@@somerandomdude5127 yeah and then you're still in competition with software engineers from 5-6 yrs experience as well as finding a way in. Tech sucks.

[@VantaClawz]

1st off, I love this conversation. Second, I live in WA, and I have to say I'm impressed with the fact that UW kids were actually listening attentively and having a reasonable exchange here! Great job Charlie, you're getting through. I seriously expected some wokeleptic seizures, but these guys actually were respectful. Please keep coming here! Wa needs to open their eyes and see what this State is doing with our money and resources.

[@SpeedCubeProRL]

I live in Seattle, and honestly I'm not surprised they are listening. But get Cliffe Knechtle in there and it will be a whole different story

[@Zeegoner]

A UW student tends to be attentive. Shocker. Certain colleges are actually enriching places. Shocker.

[@keifer7813]

Charlie doesn't know the definition of a scam.

[@Zeegoner]

@@keifer7813 Yeah he knows very little and even flounders with basic terms. It’s hilarious he insists on “let’s agree to the definitions” but always messes up.

[@keifer7813]

@@Zeegoner Tell me about it. I'm just surprised nobody he talks to picks up on it

[@DarkwebHitman]

A diversity class is required… that’s a joke

[@altha-rf1et]

I would take an F or least a D and tell the professor the next year how dumb it was

[@steve4462]

@@DarkwebHitman they’ll kick you out if you violate their ideology.

[@kirstendiemer3467]

Yep! I took Women's Studies. Nothing but indoctrination into victimhood.

[@ryantjones1130]

@@steve4462 Depends not all professors are bad and could hate having to teach it.

[@neverdemagain6043]

THAT"S whats wrong with these kids. You can tell when they debate, its their primary focus. Diversity. Diversity should be a 1 day class. Not a full course.

[@RT-xj7el]

As a UW alum, it's embarrassing that they require a DEI class.

[@uw91]

Yup, general electives and DEI is a joke. Sad how far UW has fallen, especially when international students are dominating attendance over instate.

[@RSG_UX]

I literally petitioned to use my study abroad to satisfy the DEI credit. I refused to take those bullshit classes.

[@navinadv]

You are lucky. At Washington University (WUSTL) 15 of the 60 classes for a Physics and Mathematics degree involved studying Literature, a foreign Language, Psychology, some DEI sensitivity thing (I can’t remember exactly), etc. That means 1/4th of the classes you took were not even closely related to your major. There are colleges that aren’t so bad as WUSTL, but most require anywhere between 9-12 classes out your major. One way around this is to dual major and then some colleges will let you structure your non-major electives to fit in your second major. So for example if your second major was computer science or economics you could fill your non-major electives with classes that lead to a more practical second major.

[@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful]

@@navinadv I did this at Eastern Washington University. Degrees in Political Science and INternational Relations. Completely focused my degree on the business and economic side of the system and avoided most of the DEI stuff as a result

[@Hm-bz4ps]

What a joke. So happy I didn’t have that growing up

[@griffinsmith2109]

UW student here. Thought it would be helpful to clarify that our diversity requirement isn’t for one specific class on diversity. For example, I’m pre-pharmacy and I took a “History of the AIDS Epidemic” class to satisfy my diversity credit.

[@gabrielmurillo6221]

i think the whole point of his argument is that having to be forced to take a class on “the history of AIDS epidemic” is quite literally a waste of time, i can’t imagine anybody wanting or even needing to take that class. costing you tuition and your time.

[@griffinsmith2109]

@@gabrielmurillo6221 I mean, I wouldn’t call it a waste of time. It was directly related to my degree. It’s a good case study of how public health policy has weaknesses around the world that have been directly affected by racism and discrimination against gay people (specifically the Reagan administration’s mishandling of the response, and to further extremes in Uganda).

[@spcarroll85]

@@gabrielmurillo6221some people are interested in major historical, social, and scientific events of the world. Not hard at all to imagine.

[@jjayp1]

​@@griffinsmith2109As a UW alum, I hope everybody knows griffin is going to be a baller after he finishes his residency.

[@norcal91695]

I grew up in a rough drug addicted household. Ultimately went down the same road at a young age and went to prison. Got out at 23, went to work for a concrete contractor. I then went on my own and started my own company, in 2 years on my own we now have 5 full time employees and are doing over a million a year.

[@marcusgarcia1495]

thats insane dude

[@RipliWitani]

Grats, similar story. Got out started a garage, got a trade degree. Making about 30k gross a week. Keep it up bro!

[@jamescole3152]

@@RipliWitani Garage doing what?

[@robertmccully2792]

Good job turning it around.

[@TheRealJonnyBoBonny]

I put 4 out of 6 kids through the UW they got a great education I believe, but they didn’t really need it. I taught them they could do whatever they wanted and they would succeed. My wife graduated from UW so she wanted them to go. My story is different. After spending most my childhood in juvenile detentions, I ran away at 15 to Seattle from Wisconsin. Never finished high school. Lied about my age and found odd manual labor jobs on the docks. Those led to commercial fishing jobs going to Alaska. Lots of good people helped me make my way up the ladder from greenhorn to Captain to Boat owner. I hold a merchant mariner credential that would allow me to work, or run a wheelhouse or engineroom on any vessel on any ocean in the world. It’s work ethic that makes the person. Not someone else’s idea of what education is. My true hope is that I live long enough to see Trump elected, then have his policies turn this country around so my grandchildren have a fighting chance to make something of themselves.

[@rictaracing2736]

I'm a self made Machinist, had lots of help on the way to get here but zero schooling and I'm proud of that. I dodged the scam!

[@CallMeFil]

God bless ya

[@erhardtharris8727]

​@@CallMeFil "God bless ya" (Google adds a "translate to English")

[@melissalamfalusi8208]

Theres no scam

[@TurdFerguson149]

Imagine how successful you could have been if you had gotten an education!

[@laurencekelly5081]

@@TurdFerguson149 Oh God oh dear me and a big Ho Hum to you Turd.

[@RodrigoDev]

Software Engineer here I was sold a lie that I needed a Bachelors degree to find a decent job only to find out years after graduation and working in the Industry that none of the skills learned was applied in the real world and that people don't even care if you graduated. The only slight difference is getting paid slightly more but then again that may not even be the factor. The Educational system is broken and does not prepare you for the Industry. Sure I may have some deep knowledge about how computers work at low level but unless you are coding specifically low level stuff that's just useless anyways with books and online resources you can learn just as quickly you don't need a degree for that. Many subjects/modules at the Academia level is nonsense and outdated you'll will learn stuff you don't need and will forget after a couple of years.

[@ryolacap]

@@RodrigoDev yep, you end up 5 years behind and most employers want practical experience and certifications

[@SuperAwesomeSandwich]

Dropped out of UW and it was the best decision I've ever made.

[@SpaceBethC131]

My teachers in high school told me I could’ve gone to UW, WSU, Yale, Harvard, Stanford or somewhere else. Then I got expelled. Thanks for giving me no regret of my expulsion

[@bl3kao406]

@@SpaceBethC131would’ve, should’ve, could’ve

[@steveinorygun]

Should have been a Coug…

[@de362]

I graduated from UW and it's the best decision I ever made.

[@SuperAwesomeSandwich]

@@de362 Cool story.

[@richjageman3976]

I know a guy that is a high school drop out and got his GED a few years later. He is now the 'go to' guy where he works and the higher ups seek his opinion over his 4 year degree coworkers. I work in the same department he works in and most of the people that work with him say he is easily the most intelligent person in the entire department on the production floor.

[@cinder8290]

I have a friend who is a hs drop out and he’s the GM of the company he works for. He has lots of university grads working for him and he could easily step in and do any one of their jobs. He is self taught and has read many books on management and leadership. He has proven Charlie’s point.

[@ricknash3055]

Mental attributes are no different than physical attributes, they are genetically inherited. If Charlie was honest, he would acknowledge his inherited gifts. Charlie has a photographic memory which he opportunistically leverages to beat down his opponents. It makes for great entertainment but anyone who realizes his advantages, also knows he isn't playing completely honestly debating those who don't have ChatGPT-Lite in their wet-wear.

[@palnagok1720]

Ask Elon Musk if he gives a shit about your college degree...can you actually think or just regurgitate like a loonyversity parrot ?

[@brucemiller1696]

Street smarts and common sense, 💪💪

[@melissabenson6749]

​@@ricknash3055 He's very well read, very informed, & self taught he put in the time & effort, yet you say he's got some bag of tricks?? 😂

[@u0386]

Sure, a college degree doesn’t guarantee success, but it definitely opens doors-like internships, job offers, and promotions-that are harder to access otherwise. Charlie’s story is impressive because he managed to make it without a degree, but that’s not something most people can count on. College might not be for everyone, and deciding to go or not is a personal choice. But calling it a scam is a stretch. Educated citizens make our country stronger, and even if people debate the value of certain courses, the overall benefits of a college education are hard to ignore. It’s also interesting to think about how Charlie might feel if his kids were top students who wanted to go to Harvard to study history, with his wife cheering them on. Would he still be so adamant that college isn’t worth it if it meant his own kids following their dreams?"

[@alfredosanchez76]

Idk bro, everyone I know with a degree.. are baristas, or unemployed and super stressed the fuk out 24/7. Everyone I know that decided to skip on college... are all doing very well for themselves. I have a good career working remote in corporate america.. and I graduated from a continuation high school and never went to college.

[@EliLuo-k2o]

@@alfredosanchez76Goddamn bro. What the hell is going on💀😭

[@bjkarana]

You need to consider the _opportunity costs_ to obtain your degree versus if you had gone into a field that didn't require a college degree though. Most people never bother to calculate the interest they pay on their borrowed money in the total cost of obtaining their degree.

[@andyman1114]

Why pay for a scholarship when you can just show up to one of Charlie’s lectures and have him school you for free

[@EndlessTravels]

Why would someone pay for a scholarship? I get your point, but i think you miss understand some words here....

[@scottmccloud9029]

Because Charlie doesn't teach aviation maintenance. College doesn't either. Trade schools are the way to go.

[@danimalsound]

Because Charlie only schools college kids

[@DarinArtus]

@@danimalsoundnot true. He’s debated lots of people on his show. People who’ve already graduated college and entered professional life.

[@danimalsound]

definition of scholarship: academic study or achievement; learning of a high level

[@dardar9655]

I live in western Washington and Seattle is Liberal central. These kids won't listen to both sides of issues because it's what they're taught in school and in the home.

[@daveb2280]

I moved away from Seattle after living there for 30+ years. Most universities are nothing more than indoctrination warehouses that brainwash the naive youth while robbing them of their money. These kids graduating will spout liberal talking points until they hit their 40's and realize that they have been lied to the whole entire time. We are starting to see that right now with the disgruntled millennials many of whom are in denial and don't want to admit the truth as they are unemployed and saddled with massive student loan debts.

[@BluegrassNBass]

High 5

[@HeyGinger142]

I live here too! They start early on heavily pushing college to all the middle and highschoilers. As though you will be nothing without it and only the smart have gone to college. It truly is a scam! I once took a college AIDS and HIV class for my dental assisting prerequisite and the teacher went on for the whole class claiming Christians are the reason for all things that are bad. Indoctrination is so real

[@burmy1552]

I grew up on Mercer Island and I can't stand what SEA/PDX culture has become. So much of liberal culture has become exactly the opposite of what they claimed they used to be. They are anti free speech, for total government control, anti women's rights, anti parental rights, and openly racist. The indoctrination of Evergreen state has spread like a disease.

[@tinglemccringleberry8899]

It’s so sad Seattle is lost.

[@user-fy3nf3lg2j]

Nah that last kid was right. Someone who has a college degree will always get hired over someone without. Unless that person was able to get experience

[@bingusbongus1656]

That's the sad part as well. You could quite literally walk into a HR office or talk to a recruiter, say the words "college degree" and they'll hire you.

[@livingonhighvibe]

yep. If you are in an industry where a degree is a norm, you will NOT be hired without and you will not get the experience. You might have a shot to get your desired experience in something if you're connected to the owner. Forget about professions where you need a license, such as a CPA, a lawyer, a nurse, or a doctor. Follow the not going to school advice and you will wind up in low-paying job loop, working for franchise owners in food and retail industries.

[@AwakeNotWokeBruh]

Seattle is the lions den. Well done.

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

Seattle is a toilet. No offense to actual toilets. Ive watched it degrade to what it is. Anyone who thinks its nice is either extremely nearsighted or never goes anywhere outside a small area. Or both

[@evolgenius1150]

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 lol the chaz

[@semicountryliving3095]

Seattle was so great. But this is what decades of voting blue does to people and a city/state.

[@Bluecolord]

i live near seattle and go there to work. there are homeless drug addicts literally everywhere

[@kikia6611]

Seattle used to be a nice city on the water. In the last 5 years along things have become significantly worse. The CHOP/CHAZ zone was insanity. Or should I say the "summer of love" lol. Homeless everywhere, needles on sidewalks in the downtown area, businesses leaving.... Not to mention this many people in western WA who wanted to force people to show a "vaccine passport" to enter businesses. One of the highest percentage of brainwashed people in the country. It's called the left coast for a reason.

[@uikmnhj4me]

“After 5 years, nobody cares where you went to college.” Very true. With the choice between learning on the job for 5 years (and getting paid the whole time) and paying an institution to learn for 4, I think the choice is clear.

[@delegendy1627]

For many majors at universities and colleges, it is a complete waste of time. But the reason I choose to go to college is because I DON'T want to work a job that requires using my hands and muscular labor that pays $75,000. That salary is simply not enough for most people, especially living in an big city. I want to work a job where I can use my brain rather than use my hands and a job that pays me enough to where I can take a break pretty much whenever I want. There are investment firms are paying six-figures at entry level but require a college degree in applied math or computational finance, etc. Those majors are very math heavy so the universities know, if you can graduate from that major, you have a good chance of doing the job well.

[@LuisRivera25234]

Same bro

[@ary9655]

But Charlie's point is that we don't need so many intellectual workers mastering advanced mathematics. The college is making that kind of supply so much that the market would quickly become oversaturated, far more saturated than the $75,000 physical laborers, and they would earn much less than $75,000. Therefore, college is a scam because it has inflated so severely, leading so many young people into it only to find that the promised prospects are merely a carrot dangling in front of a donkey.

[@stephencapillas1861]

At 10:43 Kirk mentioned about mispronouns and a student laughed, indicating that it’s true what garbage is being taught in colleges.

[@nowazafox]

What a W girl

[@trapulizer]

She’s one of his goons🤣

[@rowland84outdoors11]

I have one of those 75k a year jobs that take hands on labor but can't afford to live! Thanks biden and washington state! 😢

[@ezequielgambaccini6754]

Was going to say, 75K$ in seattle is not high paying, it's at most enough to get along if you are alone. Other parts of WA it might get you further

[@ethanchen9680]

There are 100k jobs that don't need a college degree if that matters. They do need certificates though, usually a couple months course included. Mainly thinking about hospital technicians. Lord knows hospitals are paid tons of money. The benefits are ridiculous. Being a housekeeper gets you a discount on tuition as well as priority for other job openings, so it's a great job for a student.

[@partytrix]

a person who was actually respectful, very rare these days. great job bro. i actually listened to him because he wasn’t screaming his head off and insulting charlie and was actually using his brain.

[@RodneyEstes-z1c]

My Daughter graduated from college with a "soft social" degree. She, NOW, has mental problems dealing in the field she was hired to help. Makes me thing the "crazy" people are smarter than her!!!

[@blondetapperware8289]

How?

[@ghhm2705]

Sometimes the only mistake you made as a parent was sending your child to public school

[@Gordon_Chen]

@ghhm2705 With all due respect, saying public schools are the problem is a bit of a stretch. They can offer great education and opportunities. Private schools, on the other hand, can have issues too, like fostering entitlement and lacking discipline. At the end of the day, both types of schools are businesses that care about money more than anything else. Just speaking from my own experience here.

[@adrienneanderson-smith2257]

⁠@@Gordon_Chen The private schools had higher discipline than the public schools. Except maybe in sports.

[@laurencekelly5081]

@@Gordon_Chen Look at the world league table for education and America has an abysmal position for the supposed best in the world country for everything Pah.

[@adamsix5421]

The true use and meaning of a university has been lost for decades

[@justsomeweebonyt4916]

the dark blue hoodie girl is pissing me off with her judgmenetal facial expressions and remarks, i know that she might think her opinion is better than what the speakers have to say but i dont think that the speakers who bravely stood in fornt of a mic in front of a large audience and the entire internet deserve that level of disrespect

[@steve4462]

I was accepted to their MBA program. Left before it started because they required students to sign and adhere to DEI policies that violated my values. They also held mandatory ‘indoctrination’ events where disagreement was not allowed.

[@altha-rf1et]

Did the same thing last year at a job. worked just part time when they needed staff for events, I would not take the class took my work shirt off, had another shirt under it a t shirt, threw it on the floor and walked out

[@Briathos1]

I love these kind of testimonies. I appreciate people like you that have a value system and stick to it. We are moving to Southern Idaho (technically we moved from Texas to live temporarily on my father in laws property in WA so we could move to Idaho…WA was never the destination) but so many of my wife’s family can’t understand why we would leave being close to them. Uhhh cuz I have two young boys and I’m not raising them in a state as woke as WA. Plus the weather sucks ass.

[@altha-rf1et]

@@Briathos1 When we lived near Tampa use to work the NFL football game doing security, when they started taking the knee I quit, got a job at the clearwater aquarium where Winter the Dolphine was making more money working just 1 night a week watching the cameras and walking around did volunteer work doing animal rescues and rehab

[@melissalamfalusi8208]

What didn't follow your values exactly?

[@ET-df2xz]

@@melissalamfalusi8208 Being required to take a course on DEI is, ironically, inherently racist. It's the exact opposite of the 'I' it is supposed to represent. The issue is most from the left can't wrap their head around this concept. The group think is that strong.

[@Gthomas97]

I love how all these kids Kirk asks “did you read it” and they always say no

[@Srelix9200]

Dude I ran to the comments to post something like this. Like why would you go up to him in front of all of those students ready to talk about the book and the first words he has when asked if he read the book was “no.” It really kinda makes you look ignorant and close minded

[@PaladinLeeroy42069]

Because they don’t read their college books either

[@keifer7813]

I love how Charlie doesn't know the definition of a scam

[@VantaClawz]

Thanks!

[@nschlaak]

Facts are a hard and bitter pill to swallow sometimes. Thank you Charlie.

[@Nairraider]

The facts say that the median college graduate's income is higher than someone with just a high school diploma.

[@keifer7813]

Like the fact Charlie hasn't got a clue what he's talking about when he uses the word "scam"

[@teressastuckey]

You tell us what a scam is then hero.​@keifer7813

[@thedevblog5916]

Software engineer for major tech company here: Charlie is 100% correct. I don't have a degree. I got out of the military, went through a coding boot camp with zero software related skills, graduated, networked on linked in and landed a job at a major tech company. I was able to bypass 4 years of wasting my time and money by not going to college. Doing the 8-week coding boot camp won't teach you everything, but it will get you off the ground and the rest is up to your self discipline (which you will need in the real world anyways)

[@notyourtypicalfarah7194]

Maybe ten years lol. Not today

[@laurencekelly5081]

@@coffee-machine123 I am sure most everyone is stuck at entry level unless they are special anyway the layoffs are huge.

[@thedevblog5916]

@@coffee-machine123 well you assumed very wrong 🤣

[@WilliamTravisIto]

uhh yeah.. listen to this advice guys. (Less competition for me) I don't agree with college, it's a ponzi scheme, but like all ponzi schemes of life if you want to win the game you have to play the game. For medical and STEM fields this advice is simply not true. Just say you're from pre-2023 era where bootcamp codemonkeys were a viable hire and move on. In the era of AI spring, codemonkeys are obsolete. The real challenge is and has always been problem solving paradigms that cannot be taught in a non-theory heavy bootcamps. Systems design, data structures and algorithms, none of these are 'coding' related. You can even implement them in natural language pseudocode. Coding is and was never the challenge of SWE. Good luck finding a job after 2023 with a bootcamp certificate. It's simply disingenuous.

[@thedevblog5916]

@@coffee-machine123 I work for quite the opposite of a small tech company The only thing I didn't agree with what charlie said is that you can get a 6 figure job with ONLY an 8 week coding boot camp. That is laughable. It takes an 8 week coding boot camp and about 6+ months of very hard work.

[@rebeccaportwood826]

Half of the comments are “I didn’t go to college/I dropped out and I make a lot of money, therefore all college educations and degrees are useless.” Don’t assume that your experience holds true for everyone.

[@Mrhotdogwinner1]

Your comment kind of goes against itself. If you said "half of the comments" then that means majority... lol. So statistically, based on these comments, if half of them are saying that college degrees are useless, then statistically, college degrees are useless. LOL.

[@rebeccaportwood826]

@@Mrhotdogwinner1 if you want to talk statistics, do remember that I’m only talking about the sample size of people in this comment section, not the entire population. My point against generalizing still stands.

[@Mrhotdogwinner1]

@@rebeccaportwood826 you know that statistics are all sample sizes right?

[@rebeccaportwood826]

@@Mrhotdogwinner1 but the comment section of a certain KZbin video doesn’t represent the entire population accurately.

[@Mrhotdogwinner1]

@@rebeccaportwood826 how so? its a sample size is it not? its how statistics are formed? they take a sample size?

[@davidfromdownunder400]

Uni paid off for me, but I was a double major in electrical engineering and applied mathematics. That said, almost all of what I know today I learned on the job, but my formal education enabled me to understand a lot the "whys" of what I learned. I think the biggest problem today is that with so many attending uni, it's value has gotten very diluted.

[@Tony-so1zl]

You went to college for the right reason

[@couloir1]

I dropped out of UW and didn't have a college degree but worked as an engineer at the biggest tech company in the world making more money then most people with college degrees. This man is correct with what he says.

[@JohnDoe-ql9pf]

I didn't even go to college so I didn't drop out of college and I make more money than college drop out.

[@Nairraider]

The average person will make more with a college degree than someone without. I'm happy for you that you're making more, but for the usual person making the decision to go to college, they should, it's not a scam.

[@couloir1]

@@Nairraider I generally agree but that's if you want to be average. If you want to do great things college degree is not required as many self made billionaires are college drop outs.

[@Nairraider]

@@couloir1 Hi couloir, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there. There are exceptional situations where people without a college education go on to make billions, however if you google the top 10 richest people in the world, **every single one** attended college. Every one! If you want to take the more difficult route of teaching yourself and trying to make connections out of college, feel free, but the evidence would suggest the connections and knowledge gained from college give you a huge advantage.

[@couloir1]

​@@Nairraider Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg to name of few do not have college degrees. My point is college will not teach you how to be great. To be great is a mindset...the drive to be the best and to find solutions to a problem that the world wants or needs. It's about taking actioin and believing in yourself. Tell me a college course that teaches you that. Our school system is to train you to be a slave to the corporate world. To get a 9-5 job till you retire at the age of 65+. There is nothing wrong with this of course if that is your happiness. Again I'm just saying college is a waste of time if you want to learn to be great and to be truly free.

[@bricecaris7295]

It's so true. I'm a 9th grade high school dropout. Got my GED. Taught myself to program in 5 languages. I was hired as "Lead Software and IT Administrator." I've been there for 17 years now.

[@amishagupta574]

at what company and what salary?

[@edpewalkee]

None of these kids defending college will figure out they didnt need college until theyre out of college.

[@Undomaranel]

That's life for you. But at the same time, no one needs college to sustain themselves. We need college to delve into a niche, specialized field of study. Even Indiana Jones said that his "job" was 70% research, and learning how to do that alone, properly, takes longer than high school can provide. Anyone should be able to find a job and support themselves. But a degree was designed to make you better equipped for a specialized field, and the return over the course of life should have made the initial investment worth it over becoming an HVAC tech... but it's no longer sustainable.

[@ninjarider84]

It's paid for by their rich parents that live in the area, thats facts, i live 30 mins south and they have the stigma, WSU is the party school on the eastern part of the state where the middle class folks can afford to go.

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

they'll hopefully realize when the 4 years are done

[@kuroitsukida]

And when they eventually have kids on the cusp of high school graduation, they won't recommend college to them. Colleges are shooting themselves in the foot. No foresight.

[@EyeofValor]

That kid talking is 100% full-sail from his parents. It's clear from his first point about students not being able to afford it. He is silver spoon.

[@part.9094]

Charlie has really opened our eyes about college. It helped us to look at colleges from a different perspective when choosing some for our daughter. She was homeschooled, and one of her teachers at the co-op she attended was retired from the college she will be starting in Fall and we got a lot of insight into the school. It's a Christian college and we got insight into their beliefs because several of their students interned with our daughter's church youth group. Thanks to Charlie, we knew what to look for in a college! Trade school was an option too after listening to Charlie!

[@Briathos1]

So wise. If ya send your kids to Caesar….don’t be surprised if they come out like Caesar haha.

[@melissalamfalusi8208]

Christian College? Just sounds like a pre-school

[@part.9094]

@@melissalamfalusi8208 you can believe that. My research and in-person research of this particular university has shown the university produces successful, productive members of society who also have retained and grown in their faith. I wouldn’t let my daughter attend it if I thought it was pre-school.

[@trollbot3728]

Good on this dude. First time I've seen a clear and rational engagement. He's neither right nor completely wrong. Very smart young man. I'm happy to see the UW has some of the least shouting liberals in all these videos. I am an Electrical Design Engineer. I work in Manufacturing and I went to college for 2 years.

[@heathergreisen8396]

I worked for a company, worked hard, earned many awards for excellence and never completed college. At an event at the CEO’s home, the COO asked me what my. College degree was. I told him Hard Knocks. He got it.

[@v1743962002]

Thats why Community College is the way to go, Universities nowadays are for profit, not your success.

[@Tony-so1zl]

I used to feel bad that I went to CC. I did a lot of internships, graduated and now make close to 100k working for a business while my 4 year university grad friends are struggling to find jobs. Real life hits you fast

[@Derekcitoxsakai]

@@Tony-so1zlI actually am planning to attend CC after hs graduation and go into my CC’s biotechnology/biology program(s) (I’ll decide which) and attend the honors program to refine my academic record at CC to better my chances at acceptance to my dream school when I’m about 20 years old (I’m 18 and hs senior). Do u have any advice in regards to CC and anything I should know about transferring from CC to university. Lastly, any wisdom or advice for someone who recently turned 18 and is feeling anxious about adult life?

[@Tony-so1zl]

@ best of luck with that! I think you made a wise choice doing that. First I’d say remember there’s no such thing as a “dream school” as the real dream school in the one you make. Life takes you around many different unexpected places so always keep your options open. The good thing about going to CC is you can be a big fish in a small pond meaning you can take advantage of all the opportunities that others might not take. Get internships every summer in college in things you’re interested in and you’ll be in a better place than many others in Ivy Leagues because the real world values experience more than a degree.

[@Tony-so1zl]

@ also just take it a day at a time and ask God to help you. I was just like you worried but the more you put in the work and enjoy life, the less you worry. Take action, be confident and remember life is a marathon not a race. You got it

[@Derekcitoxsakai]

@@Tony-so1zl sorry for the late reply, that’s rlly good advice and thank you for that. However, what can you tell me abt internships and how to approach them

[@U_y_g_h_u_r_L_i_v_e_s_Matter]

Forcing all students to take Sociology type classes is a way to try and indoctrinate as many kids as possible

[@darylfoster7944]

And generate a lot of revenue to support the massive college bureaucracy. College is just another bloated government apparatus.

[@doesitmatter8866]

if by indoctinate you mean to learn how to treat everyone with respect not based on if they are white like you then that's fine with most people in this world. As in- To live in a society where everyone gets along. Im down with that.

[@darylfoster7944]

@@doesitmatter8866 racist

[@U_y_g_h_u_r_L_i_v_e_s_Matter]

@doesitmatter8866 That's not what happens. They teach Theory which doesn't teach you to treat others with respect. They teach you that the western heterosexual male is the enemy. Been there, done that.

[@leahgroh5610]

Lol i was forced to take a sociology course this year... the indoctrination was so obvious i took pictures and sent them to my parents.

[@Some_One_One]

I had a girl tell me one of her college classes was ROCK CLIMBING. I told her why don't they just not teach that class, refund your money, & let you take off FIVE HOURS A WEEK so you can pursue that at your leisure at your own expense, because it had nothing to do with her degree.

[@olivergreer3690]

Colleges offer fitness classes because they have gyms. It's just like paying a gym membership. That was definitely not required unless she was doing kinesiology or something.

[@thetaekwondoe3887]

@@olivergreer3690 When I went to community college, there were phys ed requirements. I think 2 or 4 credits worth - basically two separate classes over two semesters. You could choose from their offerings.

[@wingman416]

@@olivergreer3690 Charlie will try to taint mothers milk if given the platform. I'll let my best pal who graduated from UW with masters in accounting and went on to become the CIO of major US corporation. He's worth ten of you, Charles, and he isn't a d@@k!

[@Bekssss]

My ex stady at santa monica college and she had dance classes, I am not from US and don't get it what dance classes have to do with " Biology degree ", 10 years later she still paying for that BS

[@thehobbyisttries]

@@olivergreer3690 a gym membership for $500 for three months? yikes

[@aceofclubs546]

Been a hiring and ops manager for last 8 yrs. He hit the nail on the head with the part about actually being more biased against applicants with college degrees. Show me what you can do, integrety, and willingness to work. Easy day.

[@sparkfx5874]

I went through a coding bootcamp, was given an internship with a high level company, and even if the question about my scholastic endeavors came up, they never mattered. What matters is your performance and ability to do the job. End of story.

[@BadMannerKorea]

@@sparkfx5874 Exactly. I don’t have any medical degree or education, but I’m now a self declared doctor. What matters is performance!!

[@chienb]

This is true if your education is not top 5 ie. Harvard, MIT, etc. So just go community college 2 years, save money and then transfer out

[@BillyJoey62]

After 4-5 years, someone who starts working early after 8 weeks of training will be more qualified than a new college graduate.

[@Stickerz94]

Yep. I've worked with a couple people that were fresh out of tech school for automotive repair, and half the stuff they said they learned ended up being useless, real world experience trumps studying on paper. Theories on paper don't always work in the real world / there are better ways to do & learn stuff.

[@daddyvladdie2794]

@@Stickerz94 maybe cause thats a job that doesnt need a degree lol

[@anothersomebody8195]

They will be yes. They won't be making as much as the graduate though. I see payrolls and know you're flat wrong on the unspoken leap you're making.

[@derekolson5806]

Until the graduate also gets real world experience. Most of the time, you are more well rounded and better equipped for the real world when you get a formal AND hands on education as opposed to one vs the other. You skip college and there's a good chance your "teachers" (bosses, co-workers etc.) aren't great leaders or instructors. This argument of college is a scam can be true but to say you shouldn't go to college because it can be a scam is disingenuous or bad advice.

[@Nairraider]

The U.S. department of labor stats say that bachelors degree holders make (166%) the median earnings of someone with a high school diploma. Please, do not let this guy stop you from getting higher education.

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

He addressed that specific study. You're being fooled by average vs median wages. The top 10% of earners drive up the average. The majority are not centered on that 230% mark.

[@everett8811]

Doesn't mean they are doing a job that has anything to do with their degree either.

[@Nairraider]

@@everett8811 Even so, the knowledge they got is likely being used, and whether or not it's exactly what they studied (which usually it is) its still getting them higher income.

[@Nairraider]

@@Andrew-ps6xe Hi Andrew, that's why I used the median. At no point have I discussed average wages, and the data I got was from the Bureau of Labor Statistics official site. The reason they use the median, is because the median is what's called a 'resistant' statistic, meaning it isn't affected by outliers in the data and is a more accurate representation of what you should expect from a sample. If you'd like to check for yourself, just google 'education pays, bls' and the first link should be the official site with a graph.

[@Nairraider]

@@Andrew-ps6xe This is not accurate. The median is used because it's a resistant statistic, feel free to google that.

[@Adelynstar]

My son is 24 now but he used to tell me universities are a scam.😳

[@miner7292]

And he's right!

[@keifer7813]

Looks like he and Charlie both don't know the definition of a scam

[@miner7292]

@@keifer7813 they are a scam though, what makes you think they aren't?

[@keifer7813]

@@miner7292 Well what do you think a scam means?

[@miner7292]

@@keifer7813 being robbed of something you are promised.

[@flavalistic3844]

Taxpayers should definitely not be funding colleges. 100% absolutely agree.

[@LeadLeftLeon]

College kids should not be allowed to vote either. Most are not net positive taxpayers

[@BadMannerKorea]

Actually they should. Society benefits from an educated population.

[@danielquintieri]

​@@BadMannerKoreadepends who is in charge, or else your education is that if a boy chops off his weeen he can be a girl, thats not education, or if youre born a certian skin color youre bad

[@jouraveI]

@@BadMannerKorea not for this type of educational system. im from washington.. trust me, its shit.

[@BadMannerKorea]

@@jouraveI What does that even mean, this type of educational system? It’s a public research university.

[@BoycottHollywood]

High school dropout here. Been a computer programmer 40 years now earning over $100k. College absolutely never mattered and still doesn’t. If you can do the thing, you’ll get hired.

[@BoycottHollywood]

@trahadbad no, never. I’ve been working for big corps this whole time. Some of the best I.T. Guys I’ve known weren’t college guys. And some, like me, were HS dropouts.

[@MarioFlopsy]

40 years computer programmer over 100k? Usually takes 2 years to get that for CS graduate

[@lucascubile7141]

market is completely different now from when you dropped out of high school dude…

[@pecopeco5907]

programming has a very low threshold. only the very tip top work would actually require academic background. everything below, college will teach u very little and the internet will be a better teacher. u r also lucky to have been born in the early stage of the internet. that ship has sailed. the infrastructure has been built and things are getting outsourced and automated. even those with big tech experience cant find jobs.

[@bigdog8008]

"If you can do the thing" and have a *proper* degree, you'll get hired at an entry wage higher than your 40 year 'no degree' wage.

[@deannastafford5762]

They should know already it's a scam . I lived there for 50 years and they are aware

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

Do you still live in Seattle? Its a toilet. No offense intended toward actual toilets. Some people there must be blind. Crime is a nightmare

[@RyanIzik]

@@pitchforkpeasant6219That made me laugh. Very true though.

[@keifer7813]

Do you even know what a scam is? A scam involves deception. What do colleges do or say to deceive students into enrolling?

[@NedReck6967]

Go to the library. You won't get a certified piece of paper but it's much cheaper.

[@emiliomartineziii2980]

College is 100% worth it if its engineering, law, or medicine. Anything else is less valueble than trades in my opinion. The one execption is business

[@emiliomartineziii2980]

@@gardenguster5271 You can’t do law or engineering school at community college. But honestly, all those things you mentioned are a subset of Medicine or Engineering, so I don’t see why you view them as different

[@doirmad]

"The government should not be subsidizing higher education" that is SO true.

[@soonahero]

Should it subsidize high school?

[@simunator]

​@@soonaheronot any more than whatever it's budgetted for now, especially when they're failing to teach fundamentals for k-12

[@soonahero]

@@simunator why fund public kindergarten?

[@covidmisinformation7481]

A college education is not... wait for it... about getting an education. It's about teaching you to "conform", and surrender your free will, in order to get a place in their "selected" society.

[@thebluescaptain]

That's literally the primary intention of citation use though. They'll only let your thesis slide if you use the citations from their fellows. Citing that conspiracy theorist with 5k subscriber and 1,200 views? Lol goodluck, even though that guy is shadowbanned and deliberately crushed by the algorithm.

[@hungovermeals8468]

classic loser mentality of blaming society for your failures. i bet you think Fight Club is enlightening.

[@frederickschulze8014]

Stop getting degrees outside of STEM, Medical, Law, and Business... that fixes most of your problem.

[@jonasty7418]

Yes. A college degree is merely a certificate of compliance.

[@nathanclifford7040]

This was great to watch, everyone was well mannered, making their point respectfully, no interrupting, being disrespectful or having a bad attitude, this is how debate should be!

[@neverdemagain6043]

Competition ended when they started doing, "everybody gets a trophy" in the early 2000's. Anything funded by the government ends competition and inspiration.

[@jishanborno]

Maybe in the US. But in some parts of Europe, government funded institutions tend to do better.

[@thehammer9599]

Everything the government touches turns to excrement.

[@keifer7813]

Nah it ended before it even began because Charlie has no idea what a scam is

[@swizzbeats1212]

What does this guy get from doing this lol? Is he just salty? We all know universities are a scam to a certain level, but we also don’t want to work at McDonald’s.

[@CardologyYT]

He has a weird fetish for trying to stump college kids with “gotcha” moments and then say college is useless

[@Marcus_613]

I wish we have in my country (France) more people like him not afraid to debate and ready to tell the truth.

[@khloecohen4831]

SOMEONE has to start in France! It could be YOU,why not?

[@Marcus_613]

There are probably some skills you can train to become a better oratory. I’m sure that it also takes some gifts to do what he do.

[@commerce-usa]

It is so good to see these students willing to listen and evaluate the merits of the argument politely. This is the way productive discord happens.

[@lloyd359]

Bottom line is all the colleges care about. The education - if you can call it that - doesn't match the money you pay.

[@mrsrut4christ]

I wish I had known this before I had gone to college 😅. I got 2 degrees, worked in that field for 3 years, and had to stop working to take care of my 100% disabled veteran husband. I still owe over $60k. 😢

[@AnthonyGalloni]

Appreciate your husband’s Service. Stay strong!

[@mrsrut4christ]

@@AnthonyGalloni Thank you! 🥰

[@Nairraider]

Sorry to hear about your husband, but the fact is your situation is an edge case. The average person will make more than someone without a degree, and if you ever are able to reenter the field, you'll likely be making more than someone without a degree. (Depends what your degrees are, but usually you'll be making more)

[@sewerrat7612]

​@Nairraider not necessarily many people without college make more than the average income. Even alot of people with doctorate don't actually make difference is alot of them get to sit and work in a climate controlled office with decent pay.

[@Nairraider]

@@sewerrat7612 of course, but those people are in the minority, the bureau of labor statistics shows that the median bachelor's degree holder will make over 160% the income of a high school diploma holder. It gets far higher when you check graduate degrees.

[@caylahengland860]

My husband is the only guy in his company location with no college degree. He is an electrical engineer basically making more than the guys with degrees because he worked his butt off to get there. 5 years ago he was digging holes in -15 degree weather as a new construction electrician. He worked his way through all the different kinds of electrical and used his experience to get where he is.

[@melissalamfalusi8208]

Doesn't mean college is a scam, just that people get worthless degrees. Liberal Arts still have loads of money in em

[@briosaurusrex]

Are we talking about a "professional engineer" ? Though I hear its possible to become a PE without a degree, I've also read it takes way more than 5 years to accomplish that

[@KittyJeferson]

He is an electrician, I doubt he has an electrical engineering designation through experience alone especially in only 5 years half of which he likely dug holes.

[@LightofBankai]

I can see how it is a scam. For example, you pay to study Engineering but part of the graduation requirement is that you have to take an art class like pottery. My rebuttal to the scam is that taking these other wasteful, meaningless classes makes you a well rounded person. You understand basic math, basic science, basic government, you understand Native American history or German. You are well rounded and not just some engineer who knows how to design stuff.

[@HyPex808-2]

If you get a gym membership and you don’t go to the gym that’s on you, you get a bad degree that’s on you…

[@danimalsound]

If you go to college with no real plan, thats on you. Not the college

[@JeremiahChisumgosse]

Obviously what Charlie said went sailing over your head.

[@HyPex808-2]

@@JeremiahChisumgosse no I understood it but thank you

[@twcam]

@@JeremiahChisumgosse No, it didn’t go over anyone’s heads. His arguments are just bad. “Most people don’t finish” + “most people work jobs that don’t utilize their degree” does not = scam.

[@scottmichael3745]

Bull$hit. My second degree, I went back when I was 27. This was 24 years ago. And useless expensive classes were requirements for my degree in "education". That's right, a teaching degree. 24 years ago, and liberal insanity was already brainwashing and blatantly liying about everything they could think of.

[@eddocinwa9662]

As someone who considers himself "over-educated," (significant degrees of various significance), I cannot agree with Charlie more. Truly brilliant work!!

[@goldblooded1235]

Paid $450 for a 3 day 8 hour per day online course to be certified as a IT Scrum Master and Release manager. Got hired by a major west coast health care company making 150k year. Zero collage HS grad. Collage is a rip off

[@MarkusHoffmann-mq7ms]

what course?

[@goldblooded1235]

@@MarkusHoffmann-mq7ms google scrumalliance

[@Slowerpaces]

Drop the details I’m trynna do that bro

[@firstclassavl]

I dropped out of high school and started my own business. Now I own a home and lots of toys. Spend most of my time doing what ever I want😂

[@moky772]

what did you do

[@easymoneysniper]

what do you do exactly?

[@Poordirtfarmer]

How many go to college and when they graduate the type of work is gone. FOR INSTANCE. Data processing then windows came out. SO MANY MORE phone companies. TV. now Ai will be the future.

[@etchalaco9971]

that is why you get intangible skills.

[@odd-collection]

Got my bachelor's and Master's there. 2 years later still looking for a job...

[@hollyporter1193]

Charlie is right! My son has no college & taught himself to code & keeps up with every new language & gets paid very well & has not been out of work since he was 18 & is now 45

[@dennisoshea6655]

Open borders equals no job and low wages. 😤 🙏🇺🇸

[@michaelkuzmadutton7879]

👏👏👏 I'm with ya!!!

[@pteeradukteel]

your country exists because once it had open borders

[@oxh4rb1ng3rxo5]

​@@pteeradukteel Having closed national borders is not wrong. It is a neutral situation. People making the choice, for whatever reason they have, to illegally cross into another nation, is wrong.

[@VampageRampage]

@@pteeradukteelWe never have undocumented immigrants even when we were still colonies🤣You’re so F’d in your history.

[@melissalamfalusi8208]

And it lowers inflation. Also why do conservatives care? Just don't take up those jobs, get an education lmfao

[@neverhomepnw]

I became a Network Engineer without a degree. I got several IT certs and I got field experience in data centers with no prior experience. I am set for life now, no debt, multiple fall backs if laid off, great pay, working at a top 10 company, I got real hands on experience, and recruiters love hearing you are self made.

[@tanyaerskine7657]

My dad graduated from UofW and he would turn over in his grave if he knew what a mess the place has become. It would break his heart.

[@IMGOSCHLEEP]

IF YOU ARE NOT going to college for a specialized career, then its a waste of time

[@jacklaker1939]

Well obviously you wouldn’t want to go and just get a random degree. That’s just common sense

[@IMGOSCHLEEP]

@@jacklaker1939 tell that to the hundreds of thousands of kids indebting themselves with psychology, art, music, social sciences, and practically anything liberal. Theres plenty of them out there and theres plenty of of people not using their degree for anything but wall art.

[@EyeofValor]

@@jacklaker1939 Tell that to the kid going for CS, which is a non-specific general degree.

[@BadMannerKorea]

So college isn't a scam? If it's a scam it applies to all degrees. You can't claim it's a scam but not a scam....

[@IMGOSCHLEEP]

@@BadMannerKorea A dentistry or engineering degree is not a scam, a degree in basket weaving or an mfa in puppetry is not going to take you very far outside

[@meehrlean]

you can not learn to code in 8 weeks and earn 100k. BULL SHIT

[@bobertbwild1350]

Yeah, maybe like after 2 years of coding.

[@meehrlean]

@@bobertbwild1350 8 weeks is an insult xD if it was that easy, why wouldn't everyone do it? work from home, move your fingers for 8 hours, make some css animations and live an easy life.

[@Pencil-o1p]

Simply because coding isn’t for everyone.

[@victorramirez9643]

Because I think for most we were brainwashed into thinking we NEEDed the degree to land a job. Now I’m no degree self taught started my own startup. If you really put your head down and learn you can learn all 4years CS degree in 2 years max for free.

[@jeffreysmith9837]

yea this guy seems ok but that was total bullshit

[@kurtdewittphoto]

By age 40 you recoup the cost.. Does that include having a house and a family?

[@robertewalt7789]

Well, no.

[@FooglerDoodgler]

Nope, it's all leftist losers in studio apartments with cats

[@EyeofValor]

@@robertewalt7789 Actually kinda, yes. That's why it takes so damned long. People cannot pay extra forward on their 100k+ debt.

[@na_haynes]

It means you paid off your student debt, as per longitudinal data from the 90's probably.

[@getonwithit.2847]

C and Ds get degrees. I saw so many kids coast their way during my university years.

[@raulavila-t5u]

If you get a C or a D in the US, that's what we would grade in Europe as a fail. An A in the US is a B- in Europe, if we're being generous.

[@eddiekane1202]

I’m from WA and refused to apply to any college in this state. I went to South Dakota and Boise State but didn’t wake up until my junior year. I realized I was wasting my time and needed a real job. Today I make well over $30/hr with no debt and I have my weekends to myself. My childhood friend is still paying off his loans and he graduated from UW the same year I dropped out of BSU

[@saltysergeant1620]

God bless you, Charlie!!!

[@lisacarey5588]

My 21 year old taught himself how to code at 14. He is highly motivated and makes over $200,000 a year. His 27 year old brother went to UW for accounting, still owes student loans, and makes under $100,000. The 21 year old is laughing all the way to the bank. Charlie is 100% correct!

[@wingman416]

Some kids get breaks without a degree if they have the talent, and the LUCK OF THE IRISH. You, charles, are an example of someone who uses hate and deception to make invalid points with minimal data. "I hid out at a school once" doesn't cut it!

[@jamiu22]

​​​@@wingman416 Charlie's points are mainly half-truths. Success is highly individual, as seen by the OPs 2 kids...you can't teach resilience, grit, motivation or even leadedship skills...sometimes the are innate, while for others it is how you were raised. You can't teach success in 4 little yrs of college, but it can make it easier by providing the tools needed for success.

[@wingman416]

@@jamiu22 Well put! Thanks for the explanation. God bless!

[@rykleylynch846]

@@wingman416 Imagine dismissing the effort that 14 year old put into learning how to code on their own. Then, projecting their success is due to some kind of lucky break. Charlie is spot on.

[@Nairraider]

@@rykleylynch846 I agree that the 14 year old put a lot of effort in and deserves credit, however I don't agree that college is a scam. The 14 year old is an outlier, and the average college graduate will make more than someone without a degree (according to the statistics).

[@JesseR-p6j]

Even after going to grad school for free (tuition waver for teaching labs), I reflect on how valuable that time really was. I am working in a field that does not require grad school or even the bachelor's degree I have, although I think all of my coworkers at least have a bachelors. You really need to earn a wide variety of skills and experiences - this is what really makes you valuable if you are not an engineer or medical doctor.

[@suepolito9610]

Hey Charlie Killing it again!! Love it!! 😂

[@Ccdurko]

I think what you do is amazing. I wish you could go to the University of Oklahoma and debate my son. He's been totally brainwashed.

[@CallMeFil]

BUMP!

[@majorslav8138]

bro i just took latinx literature or something like that. easiest class ever. free credit honestly, i even put the wrong mexican woman picture into my end of the class presentation and passed ☠️☠️☠️

[@chuckroast7053]

My sister attended a 4 year college. One of her instructors told her " a degree is just a piece of paper with your name on it, telling your future employer that you were dedicated for four years."

[@larushka1]

Yes and it also means that you had the staying power and temerity to see something through for four years.

[@darkgalaxy5548]

​@@larushka1 At one time, probably so. These days most employers know you can spend 4 years drinking & partying, & still get a degree.

[@qwposwpo9249]

@@darkgalaxy5548 Then why is the drop out rate still so high if graduating was that easy?

[@darkgalaxy5548]

@@qwposwpo9249 Too hung over to attend classes.

[@EyeofValor]

@@larushka1 Super wrong, you can just sit there and do the minimum and walk away with the same paper.

[@mvd_01]

You can’t learn to code in 8 weeks lol 😂 bootcamps are scams too

[@toshitominaga3911]

Graduated UW for first four, We can confirm it was a waste of time and money. Nothing useful for running a business years later. Just got a piece of paper in youth. Would have been find without,

[@donovancward]

College offers a fundamental building of forward thinking. Not that you can’t do that yourself but you get credentials to battle out against the person with no degree. He made a good point about jobs caring if “ you can do the job or not”. My opinion is employers will look at the college grad over the person with no degree

[@Bobbieyounce]

Apply at the USPS

[@ImNotAshhhhhhh]

As a self-taught Software Engineer, I got a job straight out of a community-college equivalent. The statement that you can learn to code in 8 weeks and be paid over 100k is very subjective and a more extreme case in my opinion. From my experience, you need a lot of work experience and more than an 8 week course to become proficient in coding. And as I'm currently looking for a Software Engineering job in Washington, it seems as though I am soft-locked out of most jobs since I don't have a degree, even though I have almost 6 years experience. I agree with everything else Charlie has said though - his points are phenomenal

[@Cuptial]

Nailed it! Additionally, the software job market seems like it's becoming more centered around personal connections. Once you can no longer go to college job fairs, you kinda need to know someone. That's not 100% true, but it really seems like it's going in that direction.

[@ImNotAshhhhhhh]

@@Cuptial Right, and what's even more annoying now is that when I search for career fairs near me, they are all virtual AND only hiring DEI candidates... DEI is literally becoming the very thing it is trying to destroy. I have been connecting with so many software engineers on linkedin and a lost of them are struggling to get a job after being laid off. It has become so oversaturated even since I entered this industry 6 years ago, and most of it is built on false hope and promises

[@pikachulovesketchup666]

A colleague of mine had a "cool story" from recruitment. There was a guy who came to a job interview, saying that he used to be pizza delivery guy, he'd taken a programming bootcamp and now he wants to earn 10k a month. The reply was: "Dear sir, we can pay you even 15k a month, but here's a simple programming test to solve". Of course the guy failed miserably (every developer who earned those "10k a month" would solve it even when being drunk). In 8 weeks you can learn basic language syntax and very basic stuff at most. Additionally programming is just part of work, you still need to learn the time planning, work planning, software architecture, cooperation with others, algorithms, understanding various technologies, learning new technologies, etc. If you learn something during university time, there's always some kind of exam or project to complete on time and possibily in cooperation (very important part) with others. A college should (in theory) teach you how to seek the knowledge, not just that A+B=C, as well as abstract thinking and problem solving - no 8 week course is going to teach that, beause there's no time. No company is going to hire a bootcamp developer for 100k a year. Maybe as entry level intern (college graduate would get a higher position at that point), but 100k is nowhere to be found, unless you can prove that you can do the job.

[@kevindenham5262]

The college taught this man how to debate 👏

[@flipcam4117]

I just started going to the University of Washington and would've loved to talk with Charlie! Big fan!! Love the argument of people paying to study for useless degrees that don't help society

[@gorv1968]

That computer science kid is hilarious. Thinking he is learning what he needs at college for a real job😂

[@mikehaywood6145]

I went to college for three years to get a degree in construction management. I'm making bombs now. 20 plus an hour. More than I was making as a project manager and an project engineer for a large company. And still paying my student loan back. College is a waste of time and money.

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

Was making 40 an hour doing remodeling. Having to deal with a bunch of rich libs was a downside. And I mean RICH

[@magicsmoke0]

One thing I'll say about degree requirements is, yes, even in tech, a degree is not required, but your odds of winning the role over someone who has a degree is low (on average).

[@NeverFinished.]

The first guy was knowledgeable and respectful, good one

[@laurencekelly5081]

The second one was silly I hope he is gifted in his field other wise by his own words he is doomed I say doomed to be in the mediocre in his words part of the business for many are called but few are chosen.