I got SIX POINTS on my licence for riding an electric scooter

[@qqqWarriorppp]

*Great **Latest.Bike** Scooter ! I have had it for almost 2 years now and it is still working great so far! Brake and acceleration are really smooth!*

[@montystelevision3238]

All those police for a woman on a scooter. But when you need one for serious crimes there’s none available.

[@globalist1990]

No one. Ever. True story.

[@MR_-hi6ss]

They are just lazy they wanna deal with the easy stuff instead of actually doing their job and taking on the more serious jobs

[@battyflaps5410]

Depends where you are, atm where i live they are dealing with a lot of knife crimes and drugs.

[@alexderpyracc4053]

It's easy money for the police i guess 😔

[@davidheath2427]

I live in Australia. Where I live in Queensland you are allowed to use pev . But only up to 25 km per hour. But in other states here you can get up to 3000 dollar fines . Not many governments have got this issue as a priority yet .

[@salas..5686]

She said it, you can move across London at the fraction of the price, that is exactly what the government don't like!!

[@TheLondonCyclist]

I took the bus to work and back the other day due to rain and lazy to cycle. I was ok in the morning, but on my way home, the bus ride took 1h 14m from leaving work to walking into my home. On my e-scooter, it takes me 28 minutes from leaving work to walking into my home. I can ride to work on my e-scooter because I don't sweat and smell upon arrival. This is why I ride an escooter.

[@salas..5686]

@@TheLondonCyclist this government and every government in this country are the most greadist in the world, if they don't earn out of it then they will ban it... they was all for it at the start but relise now that London transport will suffer and they will lose money, if we are lucky we will be allowed to ride our scooters legally soon, but get ready to pay the tax and insurance..

[@TheLondonCyclist]

@@salas..5686 Precisely. I haven't used public transport for work in ages.bi used to cycle and stopped because I'd sweat when I arrived. I took buses even though I drive and then I though fk this, bus is over an hour tlhome from work etc, so got a scooter and now my journey home has gone from 1h 18m to 28m. Amazing devices.

[@salas..5686]

@@TheLondonCyclist yes they are brilliant! Take care ✌

[@grahamkelly8662]

@@TheLondonCyclist I seem to be seeing you on many e scooter vids and I have a question for you. Do you think that if privately owned e scooters are allowed on the road legally, sometime in the future that 1 of 2 things will happen. 1 only e scooter with 250w and max possible speed for that scooter to be no higher then 15mph 2 we will be able to buy a bigger, more powerful e scooter, that’s much safer with suspension, good breaks, big air filled tyres etc and is capable of going 40/50 mph as long as we stick to the legal speed limit for scooters, while riding on public roads, regardless of if it’s 15mph 20mph etc? I hope my 2nd question actually becomes true and if scooter become legal, we should be able to buy the bigger safer more comfortable scooter. I mean all cars can go over 120mph and many upto and over 200mph and while you do see some people in cars driving way too fast, most people stick to the legal limits or there abouts and I think it would be same for scooter riders. Believe it or not but I honestly believe that most people would be too scared to go over 40mph on e scooter, let alone 60/70mph and I don’t blame them. Mine goes to 26mph and that is plenty fast enough. I reach top speed in about 5 seconds and 24-26mph almost feels like I’m flying. Like most people will go around 24-27 in a 20 , or around 35 odd in a 30 in cars but with most roads in London being 20mph , people will go a bit faster and I think government did it on purpose, knowing people will go a bit faster but because they set it to 20, it isn’t a problem. Because if the 20 mph roads was 30 then lots of people would be going 35-38 mph instead of 24-27 ish . even tho it don’t sound a lot more, it really is and is much more dangerous. Like I notice a huge speed increase when I go from say 17 mph to 22mph feels much much faster.

[@IDann1]

It’s not right that I am renting a VIO scooter Which I keep at home ,charge and ride as my own…and it’s legal, but if I buy it it’s not legal.

[@HDsharp]

How much do you pay to rent the scooter?

[@grahamkelly8662]

@@HDsharp I watched a vid few days ago and guy said it costs around £1 to unlock scooter and then it’s 20p per min. So an hour would cost around £11. Or you can rent for the whole day for around £10. Bit of a pisstake really. Just let us ride our own e scooters that are more then likely, much safer then rental and a hell of a lot cheaper.

[@HDsharp]

@@grahamkelly8662 In the end, It's for yuppies. What a disgrace of a Government, they never do anything for the average bloke, they just have to think of ways to bleed us dry. Guy Fawkes is a legend! and we need another one soon, this time he needs to succeed. This UK Government is depriving its citizens of their basic human rights! We need to start a revolution over this, they can't take away this freedom from us.

[@grahamkelly8662]

@@HDsharp I agree mate. Put quite simply, police can’t stop us all. Purely due to the fact that e scooters are the hottest thing right now and EVERYBODY is buying them. Oh and there are 1000’s of stores on online, selling e scooters. Halfords is even advertising e scooters on tv. No mention of only allowed on private land. E scooters are also in ubereats tv adverts and there’s another advert where e scooter rider falls in to a bush.

[@HDsharp]

@@grahamkelly8662 We should go further, we should get rid of the royal family, this is going to hurt the very top when we organize and fight for our rights.

[@ele_112]

i’ve gone thru the same thing, the government has made all the legal requirements for rented scooters to be on the road but not the ones that are privately owned and yet they claim that they’re actions is to go green.

[@gt9927]

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy

[@GrahamWathey]

The only thing stopping me from buying one is the threat of points on my license. This government's attitude to green travel is pathetic. It's a push bike without pedals for God's sake!

[@hasan_z]

exactly. ebikes are allowed, escooter should fall in the same class. meaning if it has top speed of 15mph then no licence needed, use the bike lanes or stay on the side of the road if there isn't one, and of course parks and mixed use pathways such as canal towpaths etc if it goes very fast than class it as a moped and require cbt, registration, insurance, etc. but for most people the basic ones will be enough and hassle free, cheap, cleaner, efficient way to get around for work or pleasure

[@toninocars]

Absolutely, enough is enough. Let’s go on protests, I own 4 scooters! Will bring them all! I want to see London in standstill all blocked by the scooters. Don’t mind the rentals as long as they are as addition to the legal private ones. 👍🛴

[@PersonalelectrictransportUk]

@@toninocars Are you attending the protest on the 26th? We'll be there too

[@HOMETV810]

Hi, your point is totally correct, they are a push bike without pedals, the reason for this and eScooters not simply being grouped in with eBikes is that in 2016 the UK Government altered the type classification of eBikes, removing them from having any throttle fitted and making them pedal assist only. So if you simply grouped them with eBikes then you would either have to fit pedals to an eScooter making it essentially an eBike or allow throttles on eBikes again essentially making them low speed eMopeds, especially if you where able to remove the pedals, crank and chain. All this silly talk of grouping them with or comparing eBikes to eScooters is misleading, I personally want to keep eBikes as they are and simply add a new stand alone eScooter type classification, which is what the Goverment are going to 100% do at the end of the consultation, grouping in with eBikes would limit what could be done for eScooters in the future. Also eBikes are only 250watts which is not enough power for an eScooter without pedal assist, the new stand alone classification will be 350 watts which is much more usable. Best Regards A.

[@nightflyer5644]

@@PersonalelectrictransportUk Where's the protest can we actually get enough people to protest e scooters to be own privately its a greener world tbh why don't the government understand

[@bobbod8069]

The law is lagging behind technology. A new classification of vehicle is needed for electrified personal transport and small electrified delivery vehicles.

[@CycleCalm]

They have, tentatively: Category Q You can drive 2-wheeled and 3-wheeled vehicles without pedals with: an engine size not more than 50cc if powered by an internal combustion engine a maximum design speed of no more than 25km/h (15.5mph) This category also includes trial e-scooters.

[@jamiemorris7688]

The classification exists, and has done for years (Cat Q). The issue is eScooters don't meet roadworthiness rules and can't yet be insured. Insurance companies can't insure them because they can't insure an unroadworthy vehicle. What is needed is a new type for type approval of eScooters. This would enable regulation of the safety of these vehicles. Specifying minimum construction and lighting requirements.

[@HOMETV810]

@@jamiemorris7688 Hey, have just posted a comment further highlighting what you are saying here, I am totally sure they will legalised and given there own distinct vehicle type classification we just have to be patient for a little bit longer. You are also totally correct about safety features, as the Goverment are also conducting a second none public research consultation which most people have missed, already looking into ways to make all personal eVehicles including eBikes safer, there is already a hefty list of requirements, including minimum wheels size, lighting, brake lighting and braking systems, along with minimum structural strengths, this will be published in December of this year with its findings not only implemented into the new eScooter classification but also into the eBike classification, essentially all personal eVehicles will have to have a minimum 16" wheel size, better braking systems and a specified amount if structural integrity, which is not such and thing as there are some really shabby and dangerous eScooters being sold out there at the moment. All for legalisation but also want safe eScooters to be sold, not a big ask. Best Regards A.

[@bobbod8069]

@@jamiemorris7688 You are quite right, but it's still the legality that is lagging technology.

[@toninocars]

@@HOMETV810 that’s bs totally and all rentals are same as most popular scooters out there max wheel size of 10” Bigger wheels and it’s not a scooter but bike

[@SirHackaL0t.]

It’s disgusting. Criminalising riding a scooter is just plain wrong.

[@Teo-06]

Yea it's honestly it's horrible, and currently in 2023 police are always and 100% on the look out to catch people on their electric scooters. Normal people that are just trying to get from point A to B.

[@beesleyboy]

I have been riding an E-scooter for over 15 years and have never had or cased an accident. I think it's as easy and as safe as running, but as I'm 52 now, I don't run that fast any moor. 😁 I have been banging my drum about how radicals it is that, the world want's a clean solution for short journeys, but won't let you ride your own scooter. I have an E scooter, E bike, E skateboard, E trike and an E trails Bike and if I could afford it, I would get an E car. people say there not safe, but I could legally ride a bicycle down a hill at about 40mph with just little brake blocks rubbing wheel rimes to stop, yet my old 12.5mph scooter has disc brakes.

[@oddity4650]

Look at all that space on the path and also it is not busy, I live in a area that is not a busy area also there is a few places with wide paths, now what is logical about cops fining or and given them points if the e scooter or bicycle user rides on the path or and road (safely) it makes no sense, seriously the #government need to sort that bs road and path law, is is ridiculous. I stopped riding a bicycle as I had some old guy tell me off for riding on the road and another time a p.c.s.o told me off, it is pathetic as first thing I was riding on wide paths second thing the paths were not busy 3rd thing I was riding safely. So the government has made a dumb law, that means people are getting more unhealthy as they stopped using a bicycle or and e scooter. Seriously e scooter users ame cyclists have to deal with many obstacles, such as; pedestrians walking on cycle paths, pot holes on the road, bad motor drivers, gutters on the side of thd road, animals, branches. I use to ride on the road ane path I went where I felt it was safest, that is all that should matter, pedestrians and cyclists, e scooter users just all need to be observant of each other. I think aslong as cyclists ane e scooter users understand safety, also they have a safe vehicle, that is all thay matters. The only people who moan about cyclists and e scooter users is cops who are being controlled by the government, and people who have been in a accident because of a e scooter user or cyclist, or as they heard in the media or from people or a person they knew. Yet it is a dumb mindset, it is as dumb as saying (all men cheat) or (most men cheat) so law should not be made because of a few idiots who say it is bad.

[@LunnarisLP]

I've been riding a non E-scooter for like 3 years when I was studying pretty much driving wherever the hell I wanted to drive and nobody cared. I think the problem is that many young people are rather reckless with e-scooters, which sucks, but then again you don't punshi responsible drivers for unresponsible ones anywhere else eitehr do you..

[@koolerking440]

As the PET owner mentioned on another EH video, this is the craziness of it. If you’re found riding on the pavement, the most the police can do is a £30 fine, as its not the highway. Yet you go on the road, out of the pedestrians way and its £300 and 6 points. You couldn’t make it up.

[@crouchingtiger5431]

Is that true

[@FM-cv4gi]

@@crouchingtiger5431 no

[@mikebikekite1]

It's weird, the police say it's illegal because we have no insurance but, when I tried looking for insurance, I was told it couldn't be offered because e-scooters etc were illegal. It's a catch 22 situation. Boris Johnson, before he became prime minister, said "They are a new and potentially liberating form of personal mobility. We want to legalise them". I actually have 2 housing developments being built near me where no parking has been provided because, they say, government wants to move people away from cars. The government is even banning the sale of petrol cars from 2030. My only problem is I can't afford a Tesla. E-scooters and EUC's are a solution that works. They are green, affordable by ordinary people and they're available now. So what does the government ask the police to do? They fine riders, confiscate their transport and put 6 points on their license. Meanwhile drivers, sitting alone in huge 4x4's, pump out pollution as they sit in their queues nodding on in approval. It's utter madness. If there was insurance available then I'd get it. I'd agree with making safety gear compulsory. I'd also be happy to ban them from busy pavements. I'd even be happy to see driving licenses and perhaps a small number plate required if vehicles can go faster than bicycle speeds. And I'm more than happy for the police to arrest people for riding dangerously. I see my EUC as a green solution. It doesn't generate pollution. It costs around 10p to travel 50 miles. It doesn't take up parking as it either sits in my hallway or under under my desk which also means it doesn't get stolen. A small side benefit is it puts a smile on my face each time I ride it.

[@RobUKTH]

There is estimated to be appx. 1 Million privately owned PLEVs by the end of 2021, according to cycling groups (appx. 500,000 at time of this video). If legalised, privately owned PLEVs have the potential to replace 5.9 Million car journeys (125,000 tons of car Co2) per month! Figures are based on the current 500k owned devices. Privately owned PLEVs are not only being used for fun & commuting, but are also a lifeline for couriers / delivery people and are rapidly being adopted by people with disabilities, as cheaper and more portable alternatives to traditional mobility scooters. Great to hear Mark & Kayla are exploring the legal options, but hope this exercise encompasses all PLEVs (not just e-scooters). Looking forward to the next video! Thanks & keep up the great work! 👍🙏

[@magpieeuc4846]

Hello Rob, do you know when the UK government is going to evaluating the legislation and regulation of PEV's in the UK?

[@michaelfraser9796]

Great, but not illegally and uninsured! If it's used on the road it needs to be licenced and insured to protect everyone else. Who is going to pay for my car repair if one of these things bangs into me? Probably me!

[@magpieeuc4846]

@@michaelfraser9796 who's pays right now if a bicycle hits you car on the road? and electric bikes are legal and can go up and over 30mph But having insurance is not something I would be against.

[@RobUKTH]

@@magpieeuc4846 UKGov are going to wait until the current trials are over (2022). They'll then be looking to analyse the data and regulate accordingly. The issue is, their apparent lack of interest in other PLEV devices / privately owned devices... 🤔

[@magpieeuc4846]

@@RobUKTH Cheers rob, yeah hope they get up to speed on EUC's and electric skateboards aswell.👍

[@SenorRobinHood]

This is such BS. The UK needs to get it act together and figure out how to enable legal use of these.

[@terrymorris311]

The other option is for people to not use something they know is illegal on public land... There are other laws I don't agree with but if I break them and get caught I expect to get the punishment. If you can't do the time don't do the crime, even if you don't agree that it should be a crime.

[@jez0022]

@@Brian-om2hh because of this www.royalfree.nhs.uk/news-media/news/saving-londoners-lungs/

[@toninocars]

Protests

[@MausMasher54]

Time to sit-in protest at Parliament until Scooter Laws are changed to rid the Monopoly Rental's....

[@MTCoblivsicas12345]

No don't be ridiculous would have the opposite effect to public opinion you would hope for. Sign petition on government website. Over 100,000 signatures means parliament will debate it.

[@toninocars]

All police officers should refuse to carry on stopping and seize of scooters. They can joint us on the protests! Immediate action is needed! Stop government making us donkeys and cash cows ! Act now! Act together!

[@davidhumphries3614]

In other words they adopt the same approach as they have to Extinction Rebellion. They can start riding as well as dancing.

[@molluscturtle]

To be fair the law is absolutely clear on this: they’re illegal, whether or not you like the law is not relevant. I’d love a go on one but at six points if you get stopped there is no way - it’s pretty draconian. To be honest they’re letting you off pretty lightly with six points too - if they really wanted to throw the book at you there would be a missing (motorcycle approved) helmet, type approval on lights, tyres and other construction and use infractions. You could lose your licence in one hit. If you’ve not got a driving licence to lose then go for it, knock yourself out. The law in this case is an ass, but with penalties like this I’ll be staying on the right side of it.

[@gerardburton1081]

E,-scooters are often ridden in an unsafe manner with no lights, no PPE, with dark clothing and at over the speed limit. Of course they should be confiscated. The six points on a driving licence is very fair.

[@Brian-om2hh]

You may see it as draconian, but it's exactly the same law that's been in place for decades. You cannot legally use an uninsured, unregistered and untaxed motor vehicle on public roads or pavements.

[@kazwalia183]

This has just happened to me and I was furious! The way I see it is - The day the Police robbed me!

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Should have kept riding And not stop.

[@shadstewart9253]

Say im traveling not driving

[@TheLondonCyclist]

@@shadstewart9253 Doesn't work in our modern world, but I get the whole license for commerce etc but they're too powerful and the courts will butt fk you.

[@PlantbasedRunners]

Personal Conveyance not a vehicle. If the property (scooter) isn't registered/licenced, what right do they have to take your details if there is no actual crime? Are the police committing theft?

[@rakeshsingh1]

Me too. 4 weeks ago, in East London. I’m very angry about it!

[@rehabwales]

It angers me that tax goes to this sort of policing.

[@robertbailey4547]

I love my scooter and the freedom it gives me and thousand of riders

[@imperialplecos4235]

About time some one done something about this can’t wait to see the outcome

[@HOMETV810]

If you read my post below, you will see that this will go no where because of existing presidents set around the very blurry type classifications we have here, but I am 100% sure they will be fully legalised in a watered down and much safer format by Easter next year, which is not to long to go in the bigger picture, Best Regards A.

[@grantdennison69]

Let's hope but keep on extending the trail as private companies making to much money from trails. So many countries have done successful trails years andbyears ago.

[@betteryourgerman]

I was the 1st in London 6/7 years ago ....on my own .... for 4 years !!!! I have just been on LBC 97.3 with Clive Bull ...last Saturday night !

[@Electroheads]

How did that go?

[@betteryourgerman]

@@Electroheads .... well,...I promoted e scooters and Mr. Bull remained sceptical ....haha ... he has never been on one !!! That says it all !!

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Just keep riding and don't stop for them.

[@rustybennineoneonemajesty]

Then they will charge you got not stopping for an officer of the law 👮

[@TheLondonCyclist]

@@rustybennineoneonemajesty lol

[@francispalos6499]

There was an instance last week in wembley . A group of bloke were smoking cannabis just 50 feet away from the policeman. The policeman with a white hat just ignored them instead he stop a couple riding a private e scooter. What a rubbish law is this??? It makes me sick….

[@markpulling12]

What's the difference between an e bike doing 15 mph and a scooter doing 15 mph ...I'm sure the brakes on modern scooters are good ....and people speed about on racing cycles at 30 mph

[@davethefab6339]

If a rider is being responsible it should not be a problem to ride a scooter, if however they were being 'out of order' then fine them. Crikey we have moped, motorbike and car driving maniacs around here but they get away with it completely. Could be because they are not such easy prey.

[@earthman6700]

And BMW drivers. 😳

[@bill-e6114]

Glad to see the points and fines being contested. I agree, its too severe of a price to pay for riding something that essentially has the same footprint as an ebike. Hopefully the barristers are successful in reducing the penalties and a precedent can be set here for others facing a similar situation

[@laloajuria4678]

so theres a law against this action (not saying its good/bad or makes any sense) but it exists....then ppl break the law....and theres a punishment....then are shocked at the punishment for breaking the law?

[@Payteer]

If it's a bad law, then it needs challenging.

[@hasan_z]

it's impatience, people voted for it in the thousands on a change.org petition a couple years ago, then the pandemic hit and public transport was avoided, but govt been slow on the uptake, they are road legal in many countries, to name a few: usa, canada, china, india, france, germany, spain, south africa, new zealand, brazil, the scandanavian block..

[@davidlovick-tee9003]

No-one is shocked by this, but it's about time we fight to make the sentence proportionate. Preferably an amnesty!

[@CTCTraining1]

I thought 6 points was way over the top especially as it is the maximum possible... but as you explained they will also take into account her line of work and fore-knowledge that it was unlawful. Hopefully this will be resolved soon. I was going to suggest that Loophole lawyer who specialises in getting folk off motoring offences but it seems like he has taken against e-scooters (and bikes for that matter) and would prefer more cars in front of him in the traffic queues. Strange world.

[@will4may175]

People get less points for using a mobile while driving, our UK laws and punishments are wildly chaotic.

[@michaelhartley11]

the six points are for no insurance, if there are multiple traffic offences then the one attracting the most points....in this case no insurance its the six that are applied. the court could make it up to 8 points if they feel it necessary. if its a driver thats less than 2 years on a full licence then its revoked to provisional by the dvla. they may also be disqualified if they tot to 12 points. also dont drink and scooter even with a hire one as you may find yourself failing a breath test and grt disqualified. no insurance is strict liability. no insurance = 6 points minimum

[@will4may175]

@@michaelhartley11 It's an odd one then, if they saying you need insurance then how would they police that without registration of the scooter. Where I work I see many scooters, most of them riding dangerously, a couple have high speed E-bikes over 30mph, constantly down the wrong way of the one way system cutting in front of traffic etc, and they're in the town everyday never a copper around though.

[@benjones4365]

@@michaelhartley11 I do not understand that, because bicycles do not have insurance! If the argument is that it's illegal to ride them on the public highway. Even if you did get insurance, it would not cover you because you were doing some thing illegal at the time.

[@michaelhartley11]

@@benjones4365 the scooter needs to be type approved, tested as per Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval Manual. then it can be issued with V5 and a reg number. then you will need insurance. and taxed though this will be £0 as its ev. so if none of these then rider is guilty of no reg. no ins. no tax. no lights as per regs. no MoT no helmet. however points are only awarded for the most serious offence in this case ,no insurance. the other offences if charged can be separately fined or the no insurance fine increased and classed as totality. or they may be classed as no separate penalty and just noted. the scooter is classed as a motor vehicle like an electric moped.

[@markjlewis]

Yesterday I witnessed three unregistered trials motorbikes ride straight past a South Wales Police transit van on a residential street in Cardiff. One of the riders immediately pulled a wheelie so the police would see it. What happened next? Absolutely nothing, the coppers carried on driving down the road. E-scooter riders are easy targets. I don't own an e-scooter but as I have only a five mile commute to work I do find them appealing. I don't fancy having six points on my clean driving license that I've held for a long time.

[@phantombigballs8165]

No pursuit policy for Bikes, especially if they are in transit van. Kids on motorbikes take massive risks. Bottom.line is while it's not right escooters for now are illegal people know this so if they get points it's no fault but their own

[@markjlewis]

@@phantombigballs8165 So as usual the police choose the low hanging fruit to pick and go after the easy targets. Kids on trials bikes and quad bikes are an absolute menace. I live close to a primary school and park regularly see these idiots racing past without any regard for the safety of young children. The police should re-examine their priorities.

[@phantombigballs8165]

@@markjlewis while I agree with what you say re the quad Bikes etc people should also not be riding illegal escooters either. A kid (14) on his way to school on the pavement knocked my 72 year old mother over and she ended up with a broken hip and in hospital for weeks. Parents and responsible adults should not be riding them until they are regulated and made legal as they are a mechanically propelled vehicle in law currently

[@petercro]

Please ask Mark to set up a crowd funding scheme for this case. Because I would be happy to donate. I want to buy my own scooter but I cannot until the law is changed

[@therealchayd]

Likewise, would love to chip in!

[@krodkrod8132]

I have a kaabo Wolf Warrior and have ditched the cops multiple times. There is always a way out.

[@Saltermedia]

Yer if your going to get one you at least need a beast of a scooter that does like 40 50mph to get away on. A m365 at 15mph won't cut it lol

[@kevinpunter7960]

What next .. jogging on footpaths will lead to fines and you lose your Nikes? If safety is the issue then yeh, OK there would need to be changes but to me every electric scooter equals one less car, taxi or bus. Is a manual scooter OK? Is an e-bike OK? I agree with others, either the law has to change or the dirty corporates hiding behind the curtains with something to lose need to be exposed.

[@HOMETV810]

Hey Kevin, Perhaps you should read my slightly more informed posts above, out of the gate, I can tell you that a Jogger would probably not have collided with my nearly 5 year old daughter in the first place and even if they did would probably not have broken her ribs or given her a mild concussion and certainly not fractured a collerbone like the other 5 year old that has just been hit by an eScooter racing along the pavement. Also bicycles, push scooters, eBikes and eScooters will never be legalazied to ride on the pavement, period. As stated I am fully behind them being legalised and they will be next Easter but they will never be legalazied to ride on pavements. Sorry to burst your bubble on this and what is actually coming, but we all have to start thinking in more practical terms of what will actually be legalized next year, no seated position, 350watts constant power and s 15.5Mph cut out, but can assure you 200% that they will never be legalized to be legally ridden on the UK pathways. Kind Regards - A.

[@kevinpunter7960]

@@HOMETV810 tragic story Ashe .. but please read posts in a way that you clearly understand and fully comprehend. "If safety is the issue then yeh, OK there would need to be changes" was my point and in no way was I suggesting that electric scooters should be ridden on the footpath, period! Where did you dream that up from? This entire piece is about electric scooter riders being fined for riding them on the ROAD. I don't have any bubbles to burst .. so tone down your obnoxious arrogance and find a civil tongue or you will find that If you need to vent and take out your pent up anger relating to your specific misfortunes engage a psychologist ... don't take it out on complete strangers, its very bad manners and it makes you look silly. Just to clear up any further misunderstandings you may have ... joggers are responsible for accidents in pedestrian areas and have also caused their share of car accidents. My quip about losing their Nikes was an obviously way too subtle dig at the fact that a rider's scooter is being impounded ... an extremely heavy handed action considering that a driver doesn't lose their car every time they are books for an offence..

[@jamesbuckham2664]

Best of luck fighting the case.

[@GAmbrose]

The editing after he says: "Big fat fine" is unfortunate

[@SeeDaRipper...]

😂

[@thatONEguyAGAINandAGAIN]

I would double check the seizure regulations, was watching a video the other day about seizures and it was written that the police can only seize the scooters if the driver is to be driving recklessly and then they would need proof that you was. Could be wrong but we do only get told about the no don'ts and not the can do

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Totally worth checking.... Thanks!

[@kernalmusterd]

They taking the scooter for not being insured if you are not insured they have the right to seize it. Best thing to do is don't stop

[@staffordshirebullterrierli7411]

I saw something where that was basically said and a copper basically stated that you aren't really breaking any major laws by riding on pavement as compared to riding them on the road.

[@staffordshirebullterrierli7411]

@@elgranto7 I think it was true at some point but past few weeks been massive crackdown on them. I don't have one but I have seen alot of wreck less teens just whizz straight in front of my car and others out of no where. No lights/ reflectors and total disregard for other road users. This is where the main problem lies with them I think, no registration plates and no road skills needed for anyone to own one

[@aquious953]

Scooter corporations should just get together and buy their share of the government. Its what other companies do.

[@justkol]

Ashamed to say I’ve had nothing but disappointment from the British Police. There have been times when I’ve seriously needed their help and nobody turned up. They use their resources on money making “crimes”. Usually the easy ones. Just like this one. An e scooter is literally a pushbike without pedals. Does similar speeds and has similar functions like brakes + lights. Sure, there are plenty of people who abuse the use of e-scooters, and I’m sure you will all agree they deserve to be penalised. But us, sensible riders who respect the roads and other road users should be encouraged to use them and help reduce congestion, pollution and noise in cities like London.

[@justkol]

P.S. I’m sorry this happened to you Kayla!

[@chukidee6634]

Heartbreaking video and I feel for this lady. I stopped riding mine before all the ongoing Police crackdown in London.

[@johncooper3392]

black belt lawyer is about 2 do vid on cops wrongfully taking vehicle ~ the law was not written correctly years ago & may well help a lot of people who have been wronged & had 2 pay any cash ~ i watched 30 second promotion of it yesterday ( barrister not lawyer )

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Please share a link

[@timhuggins1993]

He can help you too if you have £1000 hourly rate to pay him lol

[@johncooper3392]

@@timhuggins1993 that's expensive just 2 watch a video my YT is free

[@crzldesign231]

Why don't we just buy our own personal scooters and put graphics on it matching the rental companies logos! Sorted!

[@Loqque]

At this point best thing to do is actually ride on the pavement in any congested areas (as counterproductive as it sounds) due to the fact that the fine on pavmenent is like £30, and only use side/local roads instead. Lawmakers are seriously out of touch with reality

[@GrahamJohnson10]

Like you say if your riding on the pavement they can't add 6 points to your licence. Not sure what happens with the £300 fine and confiscation.

[@Brian-om2hh]

But hit someone, and knock them over, and the results could be VERY different. You could be looking at a claim for personal injury, distress, loss of earnings etc. The claim could easily run into thousands....££££££ You ok with that? Over 50 pedestrians have already been injured by these things being used on pavements......

[@Loqque]

@@Brian-om2hh I'm not saying it's good, but considering the law, from rider perspective it's a way to go of you don't want points. I avoid riding pavements myself as much as I can, there is no fun in that anyway. Can't blame people for doing it considering dumb ass laws we have here

[@yanassi]

Absolutely silly to have an agency in charge of transportation who is against another form of road use, it seems personal. But the uk is happy if you rent a scooter?

[@battyflaps5410]

MONEY

[@grs688]

The rental system is part of a trial for legalising them. The government has shifted the risk from individuals to business.

[@spinner4148]

@@grs688 the government has made a concession to big business that wants to expand from continental Europe into the UK because 💸💸💸 and because British democracy is a complete superficial facade they got away with giving corporations more freedoms than individuals. There is zero reason for the trial to disallow private scooters, if someone is on an e-scooter it makes no difference to road safety who owns it. Private e-scooters don't get strewn around pavements like the scourge that are hire scooters.

[@christopherhumphrey]

Politicians and police giving us another reason why they don't get respect. DUMB LAWS!

[@CarolCreates]

For years they used to turn a blind eye. Is it because the new hire scooters have been released they're now giving fines and penalties ⁉️

[@Blahde]

Thx guys. I am sure we all wish you well with the struggle! For me, I'll just go to court and string it out for years. Costs will be mine but no way can I pay them that amount! We just have to fight the tyrants!!!

[@kaylapadilla734]

We are trying to reunite a group and go all together to fight it in court. Please get in touch with us so we can talk further: [e-mail]

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@kaylapadilla734 Hopefully, the representatives of the 50+ pedestrians who have been injured by these things being used on pavements, will also have their say in court too.....

[@kaylapadilla734]

@@Brian-om2hh ...more than welcome, if they also come with the representatives of the nearly +2000/year people who have lost their life to a regular bicycle accidents, so your argument is invalid. But the news won't tell you that story ;) Regulations for ALL should be put in place, together with education of both pedestrians and users OF ALL VEHICLES ON CYCLE LANES! Pedestrians still don't know a cycle lane is not meant to walk by without looking both sides first. And I say this as a cyclist too.

[@toninocars]

Protest are the only way forward! Keep quiet and soon we will not be allowed on private cars, lawsuit against Uk government! If rentals are legal private must be too! There is no difference! Let’s block N 10

[@michaelfraser9796]

Rentals are legal as the machines all have registration tags and GPS so can be tracked. Also, part of your hire charge covers insurance and you have to show that you have, at least, a Provisional Licence before you can hire one. So, a lot of difference!

[@toninocars]

@@michaelfraser9796 that all can be done to private scooters too, although not necessarily. All other countries have them as pushbikes and same legislation apply.

[@kyrengorkian]

Escooters are MECHANICALLY PROPELLED VEHICLES. As such they are subject to the Road Traffic Act. They require type approval, registration, number plate, road tax, third party motor insurance and the user requires a driving licence. These requirements have existed for many decades. A primitive vehicle which met the requirements was a Velo Solex produced between 1946 and 1988 it used a motor with a roller resting on the front wheel of a bicycle. I suggest escooter users need to comply with the law and only use a scooter in a public place if and when they are either approved by a change in the law or the scooters are redesigned to meet current legal requirements.

[@n1msu]

so are electric bikes. Everyone knows about the out of date UK laws. I have a driving license and own a car. I would like to use my scooter for shorter journeys

[@kyrengorkian]

@@n1msu Specific legislation exists permitting use of Electronically Power Assisted Cycles within certain power and max speed limits. Twist and go electric bikes are illegal unless they meet the requirements of the Road Traffic Act. By the way riding a bicycle on a pavement/sidewalk intended for pedestrians has been illegal since the 19th century. If and when the law is changed or personal electric vehicles are redesigned to meet current regulations your wish to use a scooter should remain a wish. Some may wish to drive on the right hand side of the road but until the law changes good order can only be maintained by obeying the law which says driving (in the UK, Irland etc) must be be undertaken on the left side of the road.

[@n1msu]

@@kyrengorkian issue is that police wouln't know what type of bicycle it is. A man in birmingham during last few days has died and his gf who was a pillion is seriously injured. Shame this lad passed away but it's this recklessness and not appreciating the dangers of using a road that caused this. This incident will wreck the progress of private e scooter ownership if the bufoons in government have their way...

[@shandesworld2976]

Mine was seized a few weeks ago and i picked it up the next week from Charlton. Not sure if i will recieve any points or fine though. Is everyone who's scooter gets seized also getting points on their lisence and a fine??

[@manlykscorpa]

They would've told you if you're getting points or not. Did they take your details down and your license

[@shandesworld2976]

@@manlykscorpa it was the day when it was chucking it down with rain, but they didn't tell me i'd get points. they did look at my license tho, not sure if that was just for ID, but nothing has come in the post yet saying about points or a fine...

[@michaelf5618]

@@shandesworld2976 did you get it - you should have got something in the post

[@shandestreamz5047]

@@michaelf5618 i received something in the post 6 MONTHS LATER, to say i got points and a fine

[@rowie32]

we have WIND hire scooters in nottm they are yellow,just paint yours to match your local hire ones,£6 a can from wilkos

[@MrOBK]

I feel for her. Police stopped me outside my house 6 days ago and seized my scooter. 👎🏿

[@ruhulmiah993]

Did you get your scooter back

[@KarlTimmins]

Literally happened to me today communicating back from my work at a hospital in central London. I’ve used mine for over a year after discovering the joys of an escooter and the feeling of safety and security during the pandemic. I’m totally gutted. I was under the illusion that despite the legal issues surrounding these that there was a common sense approach to enforcement. I ride safely, follow road rules, use lights and helmet. I feel robbed at the prospect of paying for the return and storage of my property that was taken from me and quite honestly feel shafted when i see the behaviour of other road users (mainly bikes) flouting the most basic road rules getting away with it. The prospect of points is a real game changer as it will likely become cost prohibitive to own and insure my car. Today I’m very sad to say that I’ve lost a lot of respect for the system and the met police for treating me as a number and not a human. Although I can’t afford the time or money to collect my scooter and so it’s lost, I will be pleading my case in court to defend my licence.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Karl, so sorry to hear your story. Please contact me at [e-mail]

[@MrVaultTec]

Have you thought of getting a bicycle or is that too inconvienient?

[@KarlTimmins]

@@MrVaultTec yes, but my issue is partly storage both ends. Unfortunately at work cycle storage space is limited and bikes are constantly being stolen or stripped of parts, whilst at home I simply don’t have the space. The scooter is so simple to store indoors. Moreover, I actually prefer using a scooter, feel safer and not arriving at work in a sweaty state.

[@MrVaultTec]

@@KarlTimmins This is definitely an issue. I do blame employers for not creating secure storage for cycles or wash facilities to encourage commuting by bike. In regards to home storage, foldup bicycles maybe the solution to that. Even though you prefer using an escooter they're still illegal unfortunately so you're really riding them at your own risk. I actually was gonna buy an eMove cruiser until I did some research and found out that privately owned escooters were currently illegal so I didn't buy it - not worth the risk especially as I seem to get stopped by police a bit too regular anyway so I'm not gonna give them any more reason to.

[@bornagain8680]

Karl, what is the outcome of your case so far? I’ve been caught last week I London without knowing I’m committing an offence. Please get in touch. Thanks!

[@redzone1019]

Wow... That's sad. Hopefully they don't try that here in the Us. Stay safe and healthy. Peace

[@MultiKalwin]

Corporatism at it's finest. "You're not paying into main stream business? Fined"

[@BudgieFan101]

I can easily reach 30mph on my carbon racing bike. I am a lot safer on my e scooter thanks to pneumatic tyres and disk brakes. You need a 2400 Watt motor or (2 1600) brushless to get you up and away out of trouble in traffic situations. You can't get any greener than an e scooter. I hope something's done to legalise these people are getting so frustrated. If you have passed your car test and have a license you can ride up to a 125cc so that and a helmet should be the only requirement.

[@TheLondonCyclist]

I do about 40mph along the dual carriageway on my non electric road bike, yet I can't ride my 25mph max escooter lol

[@dewibermingham816]

Apparently you get a £50 fine for riding on the pavement, or £200 plus 6 points for riding on the road. So, I guess ride on the pavement, whether that makes safety sense or not!

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Yes and no. Some police won't mention pavement and give the full fine.

[@dewibermingham816]

@@TheLondonCyclist you have a point. When I was stopped (blue flashing lights and siren) I was on a pavement mounted cycle way and was told the road included the pavement! But by that score my inline skates are illegal because "carriages" are not allowed on the pavement (1835 law). I wonder what experiences people are having with police and cycle ways full of "hacked" electrically assisted bicycles?

[@TheLondonCyclist]

@@dewibermingham816 Then prams, pushchairs etc shouldn't be on the pavement... they're all carriages.

[@phantombigballs8165]

Discretion. Both offences stand. It's down to the officer giving the ticket

[@TheLondonCyclist]

@@phantombigballs8165 Unfortunately, law breaking isn't down the discretion. A broken law is a broken law, especially when it's done in abundan on a daily basis. All parents should be fine on the spot for pushing carriages on the pavements.

[@mrmuds8624]

I think there's a reason why they're still illegal under the law. I think the reason for this is that unlike cycling where it takes effort to go from one place to another (which is the reason why the number of people using it as their means of transport is still limited) an electric scooter is far less effort. So the adoption rate would be far higher than the number of people taking up cycling. So the government is afraid they would lose far too much money from congestion charge etc.

[@mrmuds8624]

@@Brian-om2hh Autocorrect on predictive. corrected now.

[@S2Tubes]

They're not classified as bikes or motorcycles, which would require registration. So they are not road legal, simple as that. No pig/goat/dog drawn carts either.

[@hasan_z]

​@@S2Tubes not road legal YET (unless you rent them, and in certain areas, then yes already are legal for £10/hr)

[@Payteer]

@@hasan_z I'm in France, they are limited in speed to 25km/h and not allowed on pavements, otherwise, not registered and they are fine.

[@TheDotBot]

I think the reason is far simpler. Nobody in government has any personal (financial) interest in dealing with it. E-scooter users don't have a lobby. And... legislation on PLEVs is complicated. Which means boring, tedious, can't be arsed.

[@djcranium1210]

I'm lucky I ride on cycle tracks out the way of roads and police. The only time you see police is when they walk the beat BUT you see them miles off and have enough time to turn around and go the other way. When the cycle track ends I pick the scooter up and walk across the road to another cycle track. Be careful people and plot your routes away from roads if possible. I'm lucky I live in Essex with some good cycle tracks out the way of police eyes.

[@Igaraska]

Feel for you guys, best of luck and thank you for doing something about it

[@spicspann4861]

It is legal to rent a scooter and ride it yet you are not permitted to ride your own scooter? You are supposed to own nothing and be happy as per The Great Reset.

[@gadgetsworld9642]

Just received a letter today £300 fine plus 6 points along with a course or a £100 fine. This is way too much.

[@Electroheads]

Madness

[@n1msu]

I'd be happy to donate to a fundraiser as this is an issue for all scooter owners.

[@bornagain8680]

I’ve been caught last week in London without knowing that these are illegal. There is a lack of information about personal e scooters being illegal. I didn’t know until was caught and started googling about it. Having seen so many on roads, I didn’t know I am committing an offence. I was riding slowly on a cycle line, with a helmet on. This is just ridiculous. I’m not sure whether is worth to appeal.. I heard there is barely any chance of wining

[@philltesa8155]

I got 6point and 819£ fine..appealing now.keep me in loop

[@shadstewart9253]

You don't need a license for traveling, driving is a commercial term for those transporting goods anyone just going to work should not be hassled for a driving violation. Refuse the fine

[@brettvukovich6220]

Has anyone ever been stopped in Reading? I live downtown and have already used one on a handful of occasions.

[@way2mad1]

Surely its a breach of human rights on many sides , this is all a joke and hope the government wakes up, with my back injury cycling isn't great but work at only 2 miles away i can either use my car or e-scooter , the government wants cars off the road so they need to tackle this and soon

[@markduggan3004]

This country and its silly laws. You can hire but you can’t buy & ride🤦🏻‍♂️ Come on all this police effort to catch and fine responsible e scooter riders. Looking forward to seeing the outcome. Thanks for the video.

[@eugeneoz]

Why is the exact same thing happening in cities all over the world?! Melbourne just started it's "commercial scooter trials", and simultaneously announced a plethora of harsh penalties for riding privately owned scooters and electric skateboards.

[@michaelfraser9796]

I have watched a few of these video reports over the last few days and I wonder why they are here? These people are complaining about being fined for a Road Traffic Offence. It is not relevant whether they feel it is wrong that scooters cannot be used on public roads. That is the current law. I have no doubt they would be the first to complain if they were hit by an uninsured or unlicenced driver of a car. If they are so keen to have the legislation changed then let's go for compulsory insurance and registration for all vehicles that might kill people, including pedal and electric bikes. Then there will be some comeback on these buffoons who zip about on the pavements. Is 15.5 MPH really safe on a pavement? That's where I see most of these things where I live.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Appreciate that the law is the law... However, this would not be the first time in history that the law is outpaced by technological change. Thing is, it is now eight years later (modern e scooters appeared in 2014) and the technology has taken hold in every city in the UK. Also worth considering that all our global competitors are already gaining the benefits of legalising micromobility as e-scooters are legal throughout Europe and the Americas. I would suggest that you consider the real damage excessive car and van use is causing us in the UK and the net benefits to be gained if we reduce our reliance on heavy, polluting and inefficient transport.

[@andrewbryce2707]

There is always one person!!

[@earthman6700]

@@shaffermarkshaffer Agreed. I also see wisdom in the Insurance aspect but I doubt its enforceable for many riders. Some riders round my way are youngsters or out of work and probably can't or won't pay. An enforced additional charge at purchase, this funds a nationwide basic insurance against personal injury from a rider.

[@stu_mac]

The issue is liability and insurance. If we were able to be, and required to have insurance for plevs then the differentiation between private ownership and rental would start to disappear. Ofc, this might start to force questions as to why cyclists and ebikes are treated differently to plevs. I don't know if that's a bad thing.

[@jamiemorris7688]

By that logic it forces questions about whether 50cc scooters are treated differently, and you can keep extrapolating that argument out to say why are 1000cc sportsbikes treated differently. The point is they are totally different vehicles, that's why they are treated differently.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@jamiemorris7688 50cc scooters burn fossil fuel - I think a common denominator has to be that lightweight vehicles need to be non-polluting at the point of use. Otherwise, let's just follow the science - size and weight of vehicle will dictate the level of risk. Therefore most bicycles and e-scooters should be considered by the same regulation.

[@kylereese4822]

Cop used to arrest people with roller skates and skate boards.... in the UK....

[@jamiemorris7688]

@@shaffermarkshaffer the burning of fossil fuel has nothing to do with the safety of them though. Whilst escooters may be lighter themselves, they are often carrying a heavy rider and have inferior brakes and traction compared to a moped or even a bicycle for that matter. The logic you're applying doesn't make sense, it's simply an argument of convenience rather than logic.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@jamiemorris7688 I think your knowledge of modern e-scooters could use an update. If you are anywhere near PET, come over and try for yourself - hydraulic disk brakes, suspension and improved geometry make newer models a lot safer than the ride-sharing scooters you see. They are faster too but speed in itself is not a safety issue. After all, most modern private cars are capable of driving safely in Germany at over double the UK speed limit. I see lots of uniformed comments regarding wheel diameter. All PLEVs are vulnerable to potholes and a few inches of wheel diameter is not going to change that. Better infrastructure (better roads and cycle routes) is what's needed. The difference between a 10" wheel and a 12" wheel is marginal - suspension can make much more of a difference.

[@FlyingFun.]

Good luck, 6 points is ridiculous , scooters are ok as long as they are ridden carefully.

[@oddtechman]

Hi Folks.. What happened with Kayla's case in the end... Can you give us an update please on what the conclusion was on this?

[@Electroheads]

Hi there! Check out our latest video for the update kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZmrgX-toZyMqrM

[@oddtechman]

@@Electroheads Many thanks. I did manage to catch this also. Appreciate the quick answer :)

[@stephenspencer8224]

The family of a young Birmingham man might wish they could swap the death of their young man for six points on his licence, I’d suggest. These machines have narrow handlebars and small wheels being ridden on poorly maintained roads and footpaths. An accident waiting to happen, and happen they do, pedestrians and riders alike all at risk. Sorry these things are a blight.

[@robertocabras9604]

I'd suggest you to widen your perspective before to come here and talk about ''these machines''.

[@stephenspencer8224]

@@robertocabras9604I neither your approval or permission, and I have a very thorough understanding of the issues. There are safer alternatives to these awful machines, thank you very much.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@stephenspencer8224 You are welcome. You must be a very funny guy to talk to.

[@stephenspencer8224]

@@robertocabras9604 I have wicked sense of humour, and wide repertoire of jokes drawn from a number of cultures but been to too many incidents over the decades to treat safety and road safety lightly.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@stephenspencer8224 Nobody is treating safety and road safety lightly here. A lot of micromobility users are grown up men and women. Once again I would suggest you to widen your perspective on micromobility and all its positives, which are plentiful.

[@jonyfany8763]

Cars make big money. The rich don't want us to be free because they need our cash to stay wealthy. They will loose as emotors are on the rise, so adaptable and it's so much more fun and cheaper than owning a money pit car...

[@TheAETHER22]

Someone needs to give strong kick in nuts to the guys behind the ministry of transportation. The police is only enforcing the law. The law needs to change from the parliament. Quick measures need to made to embrace the new era or personal electric transportation. The idiots sitting in their comfy chairs need to be brought into the modern age. We have self driving cars now.

[@andrewilson9360]

What I want to know is..... Are the rented scooters really insured??? Insured for what??? So if I fell off & broken my arm I'm going to get a pay out.....Na doubt it.... It's all a con

[@timhuggins1993]

Insured against you causing others an accident

[@andrewilson9360]

@@timhuggins1993 where state's that???

[@bushmaster4481]

They cracking down hard for private and public transport unions probably but the side effect is punishing poor people for using cheap efficient transport.

[@rustybennineoneonemajesty]

Well they tried to catch me on my scooter I did a U-turn when I saw them doing the U-turn and I went straight down the slope and onto the canals so I outsmarted them and I've still got my scooter 🛵 😀👍

[@techstudiojbl]

Great!!

[@MrChelseafc88]

Just get public liability insurance and the police can do nothing.

[@MrChelseafc88]

@The Tired Horizon how? That's what you legally need to ride a scooter

[@MrChelseafc88]

@The Tired Horizon its just weird that when the police seize a scooter, they won't return it until you have public liability insurance. Why do they do this then?

[@icebreaka1969]

scooter is the way of future mobile transport, why the UK government is so Stubborn like a donkey.

[@markpulling12]

In reality how many people do actually get points on their license or is it mainly just a warning

[@betteryourgerman]

....I am out on a " KICK SCOOTER " now !!! ....oh my GOD ! ...how stupid does it feel !! ...but at least I save some money and points !! ....

[@besafe5969]

So why are they selling?

[@pizza88]

So they are alright with rental e-scooter but giving a harsh 6 points with £300 fine for a privately owned e-scooter on the road!! How stupid is this law?

[@ruhulmiah993]

My scooter got seized, how do I get it back?

[@timhuggins1993]

Buy it back after its morphed into a road legal E pedal bike lol

[@IStillLikeIke]

Don't pull over for the cops on a scooter. How are they gonna catch you? You can weave through traffic easily

[@bigcheese6212]

The hypocrisy in this is staggering. One of the arguments they use is that scooters are dangerous but the hire scooters go at the same speed, so what makes them safer? Because scooters have become so popular the government and their pals want to make money from it and the best way to do that is to make it impossible for private scooter owners to actually own them.

[@earthman6700]

These e scooters must be keeping some cars off the road, I think positive encouragement would seem more appropriate than ridiculous penalties. Good luck.

[@holyhallie]

i invented a hover board! "No riding above the pavement."

[@paulmorehouse9455]

Massive respect!! Kyla has the EtWoW GT =designed for commuters !! PET should approach the courts with that point first and foremost - most of the new PeVs are designed with adult commuters in mind -Escooters de-clog roads -stream lined options for commuters and citizen mobility is good for the country's economy! - this ban doesnt make sense ?!?

[@1ming1]

Lobby.. London Mayor..your MP..Police commisioner..Minister for Transport. Argue that this industry creates real jobs in the UK. That Brexit should mean that we can decide how our economies will benefit using, having, building, owning electric scooters. It's a major step to freedom for the individual, the environment and the economy. Good luck.

[@will4may175]

All the Gov had to do was ban the sale of E-scooters with a speed over 15mph, do the same with E-bikes, if you go faster then it's under your own steam or downhill, then everyone could get one and then see how dangerous they are if that's the issue. Also how are they going to give 6 points to a licence that doesn't exist if they don't have one or too young ? Personally a lot are dangerous, not the scooter itself, but there's a lot of idiots on them, I drive a bus and have nearly run into 4 already that come from a side street with looking or skip between cars into the road, also seeing an increase of folk using their phones while on them and bikes, head down looking at the phone and only glancing occasionally at the road in front, and when you beep at them when they cut across the front of the bus you just get abuse or laughing, to the point I want them to fall off and get hurt as it's the only way they will understand.

[@HOMETV810]

Just to answer your question, if you don't have a driving licence or are to going to apply for one, then don't worry, the DVL always look after them for you until you actually apply for a license and your there time on your license starts from date of issue. Imagine a 14/15 nicked for riding and eScooter, then had to sit there knowing they have points already waiting for them on their 16th birthday, which will probably stop them getting insurance on a moped, so that dream go's up in smoke, even before they get their licence, harsh, but that's how the points system works. If they get caught again before sixteen they will have a years ban waiting for them when they send in their application.

[@will4may175]

@@HOMETV810 That's proper insane, the insurance companies are already ripping off new young drivers as is, but to put points on to something that doesn't exist yet ready and waiting is just evil, taking the E-scooter off them is punishment enough, tbf the law is there so they cannot complain for losing the scooter but the licence and fine part is off the chart.

[@HOMETV810]

@@will4may175 Share your sentiments, but ask any police officer or solicitor, it's sad but very true, the other thing most people don't understand is that you are not exempt for getting points if you ride on the pavement, when the Met start there actual zero tolerance crack-down on eScooters, (recent events have just been training and warm up) on Monday the 5th of July, there will be many more stories like these, many, many more and yes they will be giving points even if you are riding on the pavement with an additional fine of £50.00, for actually riding on the pavement in the first place. They are also filming everyone who Scarpers from them to submit to the public consultation, as evidence to prove that eScooters are totally uninforceable to them due to lack of registration. So all these people who are running from them are the ones that could cause them no to be legalised in the first place, along with the army who now actually ride on the pavement. What would really end it all is a young child being killed, by an eScooter being ridden on the pavement, my 4 year old daughter was recently mowed down whilst on the pavement by a high powered super eScooter on Holloway Road and suffered a mild concussion , grazes all over one side of her face and 3 fractured ribs, the chap ran off leaving us waiting for the ambulance. The Doctor at the hospital said that if she had not been wearing her bike helmet at the time, the severe impact crash actually shattered her helmet in 2 would have probably killed her. Then recently a little 3 year old boy was knocked down on the pavement by and eScooter and suffered 2 broken collar bones. www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9549317/amp/Hit-run-e-scooter-rider-smashes-boy-3-pavement-leaving-two-broken-collarbones.html If there is one child killed by an idiot riding an eScooter on a Pavement then our dream of eventually getting eScooters legalised will be actually dead, so please stop riding them on the pavement and running from Police, you are simply giving them more ammunition to submit in getting them banned, period. Best A.

[@will4may175]

@@HOMETV810 A youtuber called Ashley Neal who does learner driver vids did one showing an idiot on an E-bike, the adult was doing 30 on the pavement past people, the path wasn't that wide either, even Ashley stated how dangerous this was given the speed and weight forces involved if hitting a pedestrian. Ashley has also done a couple e-scooter vids with him on a rental scooter, but he was showing how to use it properly on the road, if people did the right thing with them they're it'd be great, but just like in every area they're idiots and ignorants that only care about themselves because the world revolves around them, and the only way they could learn is by killing someone or themselves, only for the next idiot to take their place. It's all fine the Gov making these rules/laws but by constantly having Police cutbacks there isn't enough officers to enforce them, and it'll only get worse.

[@michaelfraser9796]

@@will4may175 Sorry, but she got caught breaking the law, and knew she was breaking the law.

[@oddity4650]

Anyone agree with me that if they made e scooters and bicycles legal on roads and paths, then you will see more people using them instead of using taxis, buses, trains etc 🤔❔

[@Brian-om2hh]

One small problem. E scooters are classed as motor vehicles. Bicycles are not. It is perfectly legal to use a bicycle on public roads, although not on a footpath or pavement.

[@oddity4650]

@@Brian-om2hh yes I know, I have heard they might be making another category, the way I see it if cyclists are able to go faster than a 15 mph e scooter, surly they should be allowed on the cycling path atleast. Because the issue is if they go only 15 mph the legal limit, well supposedly the legal limit, then they will be an inconvenience to higher speed vehicles.

[@braveladder1682]

UK police are so great. Too busy citing scooter riders to stop the acid attacks.

[@daviddenley3512]

If they want to ride on the Highway then take a Test to prove you understand the Highway Code like car and bike riders do and Insurance must be compulsory along with Helmets. It's called being responsible.

[@stevenmarshall8520]

People who currently ride electric bikes….?

[@gazzaman28]

Cyclists (of either electric or purely human powered bikes) don't need to take a test, have a licence or insurance, and don't need to wear a helmet, to ride on roads. It's advisable to do some or all of those things, but not obligatory, as ultimately they get in the way of making them the easiest, cheapest and most environmentally friendly method of personal transport except for walking. Using an escooter needs to be classed in the same way. Yes, there are a minority of idiots who let the side down, but there are also a minority of idiots who do the same in a car, whether legally or not.

[@jamiemorris7688]

@@gazzaman28 but then people who ride old mopeds (the kind that actually have pedals too) do need to have a licence and insurance. The only real practical difference being mopeds have a throttle unlike electric bikes. So actually it makes sense that an escooter with a throttle is treated the same as the moped rather than an EPAC.

[@timhuggins1993]

When I was age 11 at primary school I passed a 6 week cycling proficiency test run by the local county council they are still about

[@FFVoyager]

Is there a link to the legislation that the police are using to fine, confiscate and how the court uses issues points for this offence?

[@TheLondonCyclist]

Road traffic act 1988 and the old carriage one from the 1800s.

[@FlyingHawlucha]

Literally got the same prosecution except I wasn’t fined but did get 6 points. RIP my scooter that is silently sleeping under the stairs

[@DerbJd]

Never stop for cops. Completely ignore them and don’t even acknowledge them. Have get away routes pre-planned where cop cars can’t go. And make sure your scooter is powerful enough to get away.

[@bill-e6114]

This!!! Shouldn't be the case but its what we have to do

[@MyJam1981]

No road tax you should not get to use the road imop and no insurance ? Who pays for my damage if it's the scooter / bike at fault ? Toys should be kept off the roads even if it is big kids playing with them 🤣

[@earthwizz]

I suspect it's way more dangerous, difficult and important for police to target relatively low income people on scooters than it is to do the easy and safe stuff like white collar crime, violence etc.

[@133taxi]

Why can you ride an electric bike legally which do not have to be taxed & insured but cannot ride a electric scooter !!!!! Can’t see any difference myself !!! Confused 🤔