I had NO Faith in this... - Hidden Cable PCs

[@MsHojat]

Patents are too often ridiculous. Moving the location of connectors should not be something protected by patent. If that patent was valid then so should all sorts of other nonsense, like placing connectors near the corner of the board, or arranging slots in a different orientation, or adding heatsinks to components. It's just common sense stuff.

[@taktuscat4250]

Agree, isnt patent is meant for much unique design? Not just moving connector X cm away from Y

[@Heewson]

damn uspto

[@madjoki]

Moving button to backside of a controller was ruled to be innovative in Corsair vs Valve (Steam Controller), so it's probably valid too.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

The best part is, it's not like they invented motherboards or something. They're just using a basis which they had no hand in creating, which to my knowledge they don't have to pay to use that basis either. And then claiming "look our design is unique and needs to be protected because we moved a connector"

[@xFODDERx]

I would agree, however this is lian Lis dispute argument with thermaltakes daisy chain solution, and thermaltakes defence

[@4RILDIGITAL]

This approach with the cables on the back does seem innovative for easier building and better aesthetics. Looking forward to seeing this implemented in more motherboards soon!

[@A-BYTE64]

Bruh, aesthetics are the same XD

[@A-BYTE64]

Hope this doesn't make to mainstream

[@thunderarch5951]

Oh yeah, now you only need specific cases and components, and every company is doing its own version, meaning proprietary stuff and price increase Y'all complaining about prices not realizing you're part of the problem and ruining for everyone else

[@johnjingleheimersmith9259]

I'd also like to see something that I thought of which is integrated cabling INTO the frame/walls of the case so you would only have extremely short runs of cabling to the sides of the board and/or directly adjacent to the PSU. Heck you could even have a PSU with pogo pins on the side that eliminates cabling to the PSU so that you would only need extremely short runs of cables right next to the motherboard. Just a thought - there's tons of innovation possible in the world of cases, I just wish we would see more of it.

[@m.h.7901]

@@sys-administrator what? you literally described how its done today ,you have to aproach it from both sides whereas this would make cabling easier from only back side

[@LCARSx32]

They never should have given a patent for something as trivial as putting the connectors on the other side of the board. It really feels like the US Patent Office has really lost sight of the original purpose of patents. These overly broad, overly obvious patents need to stop.

[@Paronak]

Its a necessary evil.

[@Frozoken]

​@Paronak No it isn't in its current form. It's an easily exploitable anti competitive practice for large corporations

[@Moskeeto]

Reminder that there's a patent on putting buttons on the backside of a videogame controller. Microsoft and Sony pay royalties to have that on their more expensive controllers.

[@LCARSx32]

@@Moskeeto Patent reform should be a top priority. We're hamstringing ourselves by letting company's gatekeep and cash in on these obvious, trivial ideas.

[@modernsolutions6631]

That's exactly what parents are for. Parents are meant to protect implementations of ideas in certain industries from being copied for some time while at the same time those ideas and are documented publicly.

[@sharkkord]

out of everything in this video im most amazed by the aio, the pump design looks absolutely incredible

[@DeterminedFC]

lol is just a swapable pump top from corsair ...they also have one with a intergrated fan

[@od.s]

@@DeterminedFC Do you know where you can get this pump top? I'm interested

[@H786...]

aio's suck if you game, just buy a d15 or a peerless assassin. easy 30 bucks.

[@dunderzubbi5663]

@@H786...D15 is the best cooler ever but if you’re getting a fish tank case like the one in this video you NEED an aio, it’s impossible to aircool when the front fans are on the side and you don’t get that air tunnel airflow. Arctic have the best aio coolers tho and corsair are truly lacking in almost all aspects of computer parts in both specs and price

[@fishsmellbad1862]

​@@od.sthe AIO is the corsair Titan and I think the cover is one of 2 or 3 that it just comes with.

[@ItalianAsianboi]

Headphone juice company really is keeping the lights on at LTT with their sponsorships Edit : the like button doesn’t give a notification when pressed :(

[@barnett25]

Honestly despite the high cost for all the ads it probably pays off. "Headphone juice" is now ingrained in my brain and even when I am 90 years old I will still remember it is a problem and Wicked Cushions is a solution.

[@dawsongooch4194]

I bought their cushions 6 months ago after an LTT ad (because my Bose ones were kaputt) and they've been great so far! Comfy with zero signs of wear 👍🏻

[@atloos]

they look comfy, i might buy some for my headphones@@dawsongooch4194

[@justabrokeredneck]

@@dawsongooch4194i’m considering it with my corsair headset. it’s 3 years old and the cups are beat to death.

[@dawsongooch4194]

​@@justabrokeredneck well worth it from my experience. Mine were $16 with an LTT discount code and they're significantly higher quality than the $13 dollar off brand replacements I got for my other pair of headphones (because wicked cushions didn't have one that fit that model)

[@Teddytheviking]

12:24 holy-, that case looks so good with black insides together with the glass and wood

[@starmoon924_]

The rear cable patent "standard" should be reversed on how regular panel connectors should be

[@HoshinoMirai]

Sadly there isn't a standard to where regular panel connectors should be either...

[@I_enjoy_some_things]

Motherboard manufacturers wear the pants in this relationship. Case manufacturers will have to accommodate for motherboards changing, otherwise no one will buy their cases. They can complain all they want, idc. So I propose motherboard manufacturers start designing cooler boards/change the standards.

[@WARnTEA]

⁠@@I_enjoy_some_things If motherboard manufacturers want to swing their dicks around, I’d rather see them create a one piece connector for the front panel power buttons instead of using those annoying pins. Wasting their power on making the connectors go on the back of the board is not it. Its such a small insignificant benefit. Like Linus said, this change doesn’t help experienced builders, it only benefits unexperienced ones, which ordinarily would be great except to do that you now have to create a “new standard” and the customers now have to be well informed enough to make sure that the case and motherboard accept this new standard, and no unexperienced builder would know to do this.

[@lasskinn474]

I find it strange nobody challenged the patent or told them to f off since some connectors have been seen in back of motherboards in computers since like forever. they could do some design patent I suppose for the exact locations.

[@A-BYTE64]

Also this doesn't improve anything

[@rrstne]

It'll be really cool to see a build with custom length cables using a Mobo/PSU/case like this. Could be crazy clean.

[@RandomUser2401]

hopefully this is for good the last CES low-effort booth-filmed video

[@pragmax]

Agreed. For instance, the path for the GPU power is driving me bonkers. A longer cable could be tucked behind the card for a cleaner look.

[@Schule04]

There is no benefit to a "clean" look or cable management. In fact it makes things more annoying.

[@stardark27]

It looks cool tho so that makes it worth it imo​@Schule04

[@majoryoshi]

I feel like the first issue that should be tackled is standardizing the front panel connectors, that's probably the bigger pain point for new builders. Heck I'd consider myself an experienced builder and I still struggle with them

[@stevewoodyt]

My motherboard manual is the ONLY manual I’ve read in the last 10 years.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

My front panel is technically incorrect rn. But I just cannot possibly be bothered to fix it. It powers up and does everything it's supposed to. The power button LED flashing because it thinks it's a harddrive activity LED is not worth the effort.

[@Allurade]

@@Gary_The_Metro Yep, 7 years later and I'm not sure my Power LED was ever plugged in in the first place. Given that I can see my screen, and the PC is on, that light ends up not being worth it to me.

[@lucaslabuda891]

It's been over 20 years. I have no faith they will ever standardize front IO cables.

[@derickbarrogo4481]

For brandnew PC builds it's kinda easier coz you still have the Manual sticking around, but for tech's like us who also offer deep cleaning of Clients' systems. You need extra time and effort to google a cheat sheet or take a picture of the before and after for certain motherboards every time you put those back to make sure u don't fck up. 😢

[@alangarde2928]

It looks really clean. I'd love to see a removable/swappable motherboard tray so you could future proof it. You want it for a different vendors format, just buy the tray after. There is an industry standard now? Buy the new replacement tray. You want less holes as you are putting a smaller form factor board in it for now? Buy and swap for a micro-ATX tray.

[@matthewd9356]

This would probably be the best solution long term but I can't help but think the retooling costs, much less all the spare parts, would make manufacturers and vendors alike a little wary. That said it would potentially help with rigidity slightly by making the swappable trays specific to AMD or Intel and thus potentially reducing the need for cutouts for the backplates but that also feeds back into the issue of spare parts stock.

[@samtherat6]

Just need GPU power to be on the bottom of the card instead of the top. Then you can run a hole into the back with the rest of the cables.

[@squidwardo7074]

I have no idea why nobody has thought to do this years ago

[@Tyrim]

You would still need an altrrnate connector for eatx server/workstation motherboards which are a lot wider

[@kenabi]

with the recent concerns over the heatsinks and the weight thereof, leading to card fractures or even outright breaks, having the power feed on the bottom edge of the card .. is ill advised. it made sense when apple had people doing it for some of their cards because they were light enough it wasn't a concern. now? its a worse idea than the 12hpwr and 12v6x6v2 or whatever the silly update is called.

@@squidwardo7074 Apple used a special extra connector for their cards to give the power and no need extra cables. I just want the connector in the back like is on the nvidia Quadro series, if possible at 45º angle to have less stress bending cables.

[@Metalsonic91]

Asus version of this can supply 600w of power though the motherboard meaning the gpu needs no cable

[@hololightful]

Like you eventually mention, rigidity in a desktop PC case is an absolute non-issue that I've never even considered as a requirement when choosing a case.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

I think the solution to SSD mounting woes for shit tons of SSDs, is to just do it with daughter boards the way you already see on HEDT boards sometimes. Just do it with a standard PCIe interface but using PCIe slot bifurcation, and allocate however many lanes of whatever gen are needed to feed the supported drives properly, up to the maximum of the slot. You would just add the lanes to the CPU like normal and then route it to a slot, also like normal, and maybe still offer 1-2 slots on the board itself like we have now for a boot drive using the same limitations. Then you could use all the lanes for whatever you wanted, and have a big card with up to 16 SSDs on it that you can also actively cool more easily with them all in one place like that. I think it'd be awesome that way personally, you could use the slot for a 2nd GPU and bridge the gap between modern HEDT and consumer platforms, or offer a pair of x8 lanes to allow connection of high speed NICs and 4k+ capture cards if you don't need 16 lanes just for drives. There are all kinds of benefits to doing it this way that roll over to things besides just SSDs, but I think the idea of the tech is honestly great. I don't think we'll see a standard that allows for mounting a bunch of individual drives to the rear of a board since you DO need some metal to provide enough rigidity to the motherboard's tray. More likely we'll see them add slots like I suggested to the back of the board for a daughterboard to mount drives on, or even mount in a hard drive tray and just use a server style PCIe extension cable with its smaller footprint connector

[@OfficialDaveChannel]

Interesting viewpoint, thanks for sharing.

[@kreuner11]

Isn't that what M.2 is? Or PCIE M.2 daughter boards? I'm not sure what you mean

[@alexlowe2054]

The problem with daughter boards is that they greatly increase the price and design complexity. Plus, we already have PCIe boards that support multiple SSDs. If you want a daughter board, you can just buy a SSD PCIe board for ~$80. Personally, I think it's not worth increasing motherboard prices by that much. If someone needs that many SSDs, they can just buy the expansion card themselves.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

@@alexlowe2054 adding all those extra lanes adds a similar amount of complexity to a motherboard though as well. The daughter board is the simpler solution that provides the most compatibility to the most users, and economies of scale can be had to make those boards cheaper. The BOM for one of them is just a few dollars, they only cost as much as they do due to the complexities of assembling that many high speed PCIe lanes into any product without signaling issues. Adding 16 whole lanes to a motherboard will necessitate a similar amount of extra cost to the board manufacturer, as it would to offer an add in card. In fact it could even cost more if the density increase in signalling necessitates an additional layer or two for the motherboard, when the add-in option can be printed on a cheap single or dual layer PCB no problem. Giving people the option to use the slots for other things just means the board will be usable for more things than just SSDs in those slots. It helps justify any small amount of added cost by adding more universal features as well. Economies of scale should take care of the though eventually and make the actual cost to the consumer not noticeably different, barring the need for additional cooling on the drives over what we have now. Realistically most of the cost of a card like that is going to be the cooler in the first place, and as we've seen that's going to be more and more necessary going forward anyways, so it may actually be in high speed drives' best interest to cram them all on one board with a giant cooler soon

[@TheDutchMagicTeacher]

10/10 again, this content is what the people want and the fact that you keep delivering it shows that you really are the best tech channel on youtube, keep up the good work Dennis! Oh and I guess that limus guy is also doing an okay job...

[@junseirs]

I really love this type of content from Linus. Where he truly does his best to be informative. Thank you LTT!

[@StaySic4Ever]

Having both motherboard connectors at the back and graphics card power directly on the motherboard as a standard would be amazing to see. Everything plugged at the back and no cable for graphics card the build looks awesome.

[@guardian1102]

Very brave of Corsair to let Linus have his way with a working prototype.

[@paulk5670]

Eh, it's free product testing alongside marketing value. If there are issues identified by Linus, they can correct it before full production and beg off that it was a prototype and finding issues is exactly what they are for. And they'd be right. Prototypes tend to be made using different manufacturing processes than production, meaning that things like build quality can actually be higher than when you start mass production. What would be really brave would be an early review of a product that's come off the line, chosen at random, while the rest are still on route to store shelves. *That* could kill a product launch.

[@shadow20482]

​@@paulk5670he's joking, Linus was a tendency to drop things

[@RoyalMudcrab]

@@shadow20482 or sell them without authorization.

[@Vanishou]

The connection at the back of the motherboard and the shift on the power supply is very good for beginners like myself

[@PindleofKujata]

Call me old school, but I like the aesthetic of having a computer that looks like a computer. Don't hide all of the components, SMDs, capacitors, etc. behind shields. I don't like NZXT motherboards for that reason. Same thing with cables. I like having the cables be part of the build, so something like Cable Mod is great. Plus it fills out more of the PC.

[@LordOfNihil]

if you are marketing to first time builders, then they should be building simple machines first and then move on to the complicated artsy stuff later. for somone who is new to pc building its better to go for something simple that eliminates potential points of failure. stick to the basics, and once proficient do a show piece (or sff builds, which i prefer).

[@ChrisWijtmans]

bro these components are so small these days that you cant even see them anymore unless you get up close.

[@khulhucthulhu9952]

my PC from 2017, an MSI prebuilt so small it fits in my backpack, had the M.2 connectors and the second RAM slot on the back, as realistically those were the first thing anyone would modify off the starting point. I love that design, because the wrap-around panel just slides off and without any cable management you have access to the RAM, HDDs, SSDs (SATA and NVMe), graphics card. I'd buy it again if I could get a new motherboard for it

[@yumri4]

Using the back of the motherboard although yes will make for a more electrical engineering challenge layout for the motherboard designer and the heat from the M.2 drives will most likely require it's own cooling solution instead of relying on how the cases are designed right now that gen 3 most gen 4 and some gen 5 drives can be passively cooled. So if you have a case that supports whatever cooling agreed upon which will be its own challenge to get M.2 driver makers to agree on then you can have cases that support it. The main issue i see is in most modern cases that is almost 0 airflow on the back which means passive cooling will work worse and might heat up enough to mess with the motherboard on gen 5 drives.

[@8BitShadow]

Yes but no, with the extra large holes for the back ports (remember motherboards are ~3mm off the base) if you have ample airflow in case then a decent amount should be able to seep behind the motherboard allowing the passive cooling to work well enough. Though that 100% will need pretty extensive testing. Also it's becoming more common to have active cooling that goes through the back, adding a 1-3mm stand-off from the back mounting will allow for the active cooling to cool the backside given you don't have enough static pressure for seeping that I mentioned to occur.

[@yumri4]

@@8BitShadow 3mm is less than most heatsinks for M.2 PCIe gen 4 drives. You also have if it goes that way you will have the hot air from the M.2 drive in the same area as the air that is rush by to cool the CPU is in. So having it as a cut out makes more logical sense. It also allows for longer drives then you could get on the front as all you will need is either a screw hole or a strap to keep it in place. The stand off length is part of the ATX spec. You cannot just go on your own and change it. As the front panel stuff is not that is how we got so many boards with so many different configurations. I do wish Intel would just make it part of the ATX spec for what is where. It is simple to do and from the spec it doesn't say how it has to be electrically wired inside the board just where it the parts have to be.

[@jackykoning]

Its not more challenging as all power connectors are through hole. AKA they run from 1 side of the PCB to the other side. The only difference *might* be the orientation of the traces. They have been using the back for things for a long time so even other things is not that big of a deal.

[@johnjingleheimersmith9259]

We need to stop designing cases with side ventilation and instead move entirely to top and bottom cooling to take advantage of the stack effect. Stop trying to make air blow horizontally. Heat rises. Unless you are in space it's universally true, so we should be taking advantage of it.

[@JFat5158]

@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Heat rises.. unless its interrupted by huge amounts of turbulence like in a pc case. natural convection is only really applicable in fan-less pc builds.

[@iamDalunar]

My biggest problem with this concept is that it would make a lot of perfectly usable or even great cases redundant. I really like my case and need the disk drives at the front since no new cases are coming with that feature anymore. If it becomes a dual standard it could add to the confusion for new builders and could cause a need for multiple versions of motherboards and cases.

[@mrn234]

Its nothing they could push out to the mass market that fast anyway, only with quite a long transition period. New builders are confused anyway.

[@paulk5670]

I'm a "new" builder that's returned to building my own PC after years away from the hobby and I wholeheartedly endorse the fact that we are confused. I'm sure we always had stupid acronyms, but by god it's hard to refamiliarize oneself with now on the nuances and which components play nice with each other. And don't get me started with the coil whine lottery- did we really collectively decide we all want to never use external speakers again? I wish I had learned that before dropping money on high quality audio monitors.

[@mrn234]

@@paulk5670 Depending how long you have been away quite alot changed.

[@zbeshears6945]

The sponsor wicked cushions is actually really good, I use their memory foam pads on my air pod pros. Non of the stock tips would fit my weird ears correctly lol First time seeing a product I use on a KZbinr I watch.

[@Errcyco]

What putting the board in and screwing down does is give the case more SHEER strength. Like, when they plywood over the outside of a wood framed house. Cinches everything up nice and tight.

[@YoutubePizzer]

wait they made a stubby shaft extension???? i was literally thinking to myself “in theory they could just sell a shaft extension for the stubby to make it like a makeshift standard one” that’s really cool of them to have actually gone and done

[@ogs5276]

It came out pretty shortly after the stubby, apparently it also fits the main screw driver, but obviously with slightly more wobble

[@achimhaun2726]

That Wood/Glass on the new Fractal/Corsair Cases looks phenomenal an I'm here for it!

[@navytiger2]

i love this idea, so annoying trying to get the pins. hope more motherboards are like this

[@costafilh0]

I'm excited, for the first time, almost 10 years after my first setup with single sleeved cable extensions, for a new glorious setup with ZERO cables in a glass box rather than rack mounting.

[@neelerita]

Solution for backslot position variance: Case manufacturers should invest in developing thin sliding pannels for the back-slots for I/O. That way rigidity is mostly maintained and users can slide around those panels to make the games larger or smaller depending on the mobo slot positions. Alternative option: have shallow screws that you can screw in from front side for the same effect with various holes for positions. , it wouldn't interefere with motherboard standoffs and you even match the rigidity profile required.

[@dmr778810]

Makes me think of the PCIe slot brackets, but for the motherboard tray.

[@tiagobelo4965]

​@@dmr778810was thinking the exact same

[@matthewrahmann4709]

Three cheers to LTT's new MVP Dennis and his insane ad spots. Seriously I could watch a video of just those (when you have enough there is a video idea for you best of Dennis's ads

[@ItalianAsianboi]

Linus: I had NO faith in this But I do have faith in todays sponsor….

[@Rlmorrison74]

Holy hell that black with wood panels PC at the end, that thing was a beauty.

[@Mark_Williams.]

Those wood panels look sick. Like Fractal's Terra, I hope this trend continues.

[@aodhanmorrissey]

I love the way Dennis says "the link beloow" at the end of the wicked cushions ad hahaha

[@ricequackers]

Okay, you sold me on the case, not because of the rear connector support, but because of the wood panels! I wish more PC cases had some wood, helps it blend in with posh furniture and maximises WAF.

[@megachonk9440]

Is it actual wood, though, or plastic that looks like wood?

[@rickss69]

Don't be too enthusiastic...Corsair still has none of those accessories for sale even to this day. Can't even get one of their vertical gpu brackets for the 6500 series.

[@tomalexander4327]

LGR is going to love the woodgrain panels.

[@MrTypcyman]

Would have been perfect if they combined the power cable and a anti-sag bracket on the GPU to eliminate all wires

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

That is actually a really good idea, that way you get the rigid stand to keep the gpu from sagging and the cables are hidden too, shouldn't even be too tricky to do really.

[@arnekristian5704]

That corsair build is really really nice! Damn!

[@TheBlatchi]

I feel the GPU power cable is an easy fix. Like the mother board just move it to the back side of the card. Then it can run straight back through a grommet in the case and you wouldnt see it

[@Apeing510]

Would rather have a frosted glass side panel and just not think about it

[@Gary_The_Metro]

The problem with that, is that it'd mean those GPU's would be purposebuilt exclusively for those types of cases. Lovely for the people who want those, sure. But it means one of two things: Either those things get a massive markup. or ASUS spends a ton of money making GPU's that only apply to a TINY (for now) percentage of their market.

[@rickss69]

Nope...having connectors on the back of the video card would still work in any case. ASUS's BTF is a no go however.@@Gary_The_Metro

[@retiredcryptohunter9031]

I just built my TT Tower 300 with the Project Zero mATX and after 20 years of building computers, the tower 300 and project zero is by far my favorite.

[@alexandermieske797]

03:45 Here you can see a danger with the rear connections: If you press too hard from above (for example when inserting the RAM), you run the risk of damaging the connections on the other side.

[@clericstorm2009]

How does maingear own a patent on a product they don't manufacture?

[@shanent5793]

Anyone can apply for or buy a patent. There's no requirement that the assignee manufacture anything

[@hannesflo]

Great style of video! Making CES content educational.

[@Jalopymedia]

I wanna see Linus build a PC in 20 mins...

[@bebarty]

For non-experienced builders this can go one of two ways: they either buy the right bundle and live happily ever after, or they don't buy the right case and motherboard combo and it sucks for them. It just adds another layer to the compatibility issues already existing.

[@DNYLNY]

I use a mini itx case and prefer smaller builds so it’s not for me, but this concept is really cool and hope to see more.

[@alastairtemple]

I have a mini-itx build currently too, but my constraint was case height rather than width. Something like this would definitely have made my build a lot easier! Obviously doesn't help if you are trying to keep both dimensions small (like I guess you are).

[@AB-80X]

@@alastairtemple It's relevant to remember who this is for. If the target is the gamers and the graphics industry, well then ITX is not a concern. And for the OEM's this won't change the trend of them building 3.9 and 1 litre machines.

[@alastairtemple]

@@AB-80X That is true, my case is a niche within the niche that is the itx market, so it is unlikely it would rush to be there, but if it ends up on a big selection of ATX motherboards I wouldn't be surprised to se it on some itx as well (although a much smaller selection). As for OEMs, well yeah, they will do whatever the hell they can to make their stuff as incompatible with anyone else's as possible, like they always have done.

[@helloukw]

@@alastairtemple ITX MBs have opted for daughter boards and tower m.2's so they are changing as well.

[@LordOfNihil]

@@helloukw ive seen those and thought it was unnecessary complexity. i just got two high capacity m.2 drives, a mobo that could handle 2, and called it a day. they could probibly get another m.2 slot in there if they would get rid of all the decorative shrouding, eliminate sata, use 12vo, etc. modern cpus have the lanes.

[@scrinbot]

Always wanted the connections on the back since 1989^^ Much cleaner look.

[@JerziTBoss]

My only concern is that putting the plugs on the back of the motherboard would lead to possible vendor locking where you can buy only certain motherboards with certain cases because right now the case needs to support the placement of the plugs. Also if this standard will take over that will force a lot of current cases to landfill because unless you want to cut parts out they won't support this and I personally don't see that huge benefit to it outside of clean look.

[@derAtze]

I mean, it's fine to switch cases once a decade. My case is from 2016, still great and all, but when i get a new PC I'll probably get a new one. Newer USB connectors, more/different IO and if I manage to plan accordingly: no cables visible anymore. That's enough arguments for me to not feel bad about wanting a new case. It's not just chasing the newest stuff. If you bought a case like last year or something, there just isn't a case (pun intended) to buy a new one. I don't thibk landfills are going to notice

[@DeterminedFC]

lol what on earth are you talking about

[@deilusi]

3:10 I would love that, extra slots never hurt anybody, and they cost pennies in manufacturing. just please make them orderly, not a mess. You can alternate top/bottom, in a row. 6x 2xm.2 drives, 2x 2x for USB controlers and 8x for main gpu, 4x for extra optional slot.

[@-B.H.]

I actually see more 'new' builders breaking parts on their board if they try to install ram/cpu/cpu coolers before putting the board in the case. If anything this approach is only for the extreme show case computers that go crazy on fluff.

[@thedanyesful]

I don't see any issue with installing RAM and CPU before installing the board. As for CPU cooler, I could see the potential for damage with an AIO, but air cooling should be fine.

[@tobiasjennerjahn8659]

Oh man the black version of the case with wood accents looks incredible. I want one.

[@alastairstedman7840]

Advantages for the novice builder yes. But there are drawbacks for enthusiasts. For those of us who like to spend and invest in beautiful custom sleeved power cables using premium sleeving like MDPX. We don't want to hide away our cables. Especially if we went through the trouble of soeccing a custom / wild colourway to suit our build.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

I mean, then don't get this MOBO. I doubt they're going to replace ALL mobo's with this type of design.

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

About m.2 SSDs. They should move the GPU down a few slots. Then make PCIEx8 slot above the GPU. If using PCIE5x2, that support 4xm.2. Such a solution, also support a nice heatsink for the SSDs. This will require that all m.2s run in that slot. SSDs running through the chipset, usually 2 of them, can be extra on the MB. that is easily 6xm.2, without really altering much. If they use slot 2 and 4 on mATX, and cut down the MB edge along the GPU, you also gain extra GPU cooling, but that is like a super nerdy designer wish. Also, by moving the GPU down like this, the distance between the GPU and the CPU increases, and the heat interplay between those parts decreases. Especially if you use like slot 2 and 5 on ATX. This is such an elegant solution, compared to the m.2 mess Linus talks about in this video. I know hardly anyone has tried increasing the separation between cpu and gpu using air, but it really work when using cross loads. That separation also makes components behind the gpu accessible.

[@fgwaller]

20years... double that. after the first PC clones, every manufacturer needed to establish their own STANDARD... now we have another!

[@declangallagher1448]

And front USB 3.0 is still shite.

[@T8ersalad]

Its incredible you recorded all of this with a group of people talking in the same room

[@thelbp]

So.. Maingear patented an idea, not an actual solution to a problem now everyone has to figure out the actual solution just a patent that actually slows things down

[@trelauney]

What's really fun is US8687350B2 's illustrations show PATA (ribbon) cables That said, if EZ-TECH corp hadn't patented it, someone else would have most certainly.

[@T-ki3dp]

Man they are going hard on that wicked cushions sponsorship. Probably the first time where the LTT sponsor bit feels like an actual youtube ad.

[@ValentinGheorghiu]

How can the patent office offer a company exclusivity over connector position , this in my personal opinion this should not be something they can patent

[@vladislavkaras491]

Patenting such thing is really strange. Otherwise, really cool idea! The chassis looks very beautiful without all the cables, I must say! Thanks for the video!

[@spokehedz]

I think we need to get the GPU into a socket on the motherboard at this point.

[@creepbg]

I don’t know where you’re sticking your GPUs, but most of us already do that - PCIe has been around for decades at this point 😂 (I know you meant as in “like the CPU” I just found it funny)

[@ChrisWijtmans]

yeah we already do that with APUs/IGPUs

[@annieworroll4373]

This would also be great for upgrades. I added a pair of SATA HDDs to my build(RAID 1 for bulk data storage) and running the PSU cable I ended up having to pull the PSU out to get room and then stuff it back in behind the drive cage. Even if you don't need the benefits for the initial build, you'll be thankful when you have to swap things out or add them down the line.

[@pauldrice1996]

How about we just hide the wires the old fashioned way, by not having a giant glass panel?

[@rickss69]

How about you just start building in cardboard Uhaul boxes?

[@pauldrice1996]

@@rickss69I literally have mine in a 19x13x 6 amazon box. Was planning to switch it into a microwave for the meme.

[@Fenrir8080]

i really liked this video. Reminds me a lot of old LTT videos. Please keep up the good work LTT!

[@Suntoria236]

My first thought: Pushing the RAM sticks in might put too much pressure on the pins on the back, but hopefully that’s been solved already

[@cody4783]

My impression was the other way-round...Pushing in that full size 24-pin power cable, into a connector just dangling over an open cutout without any backing support. Experienced builders should know to hold pressure; But from the "Aids novice builders" perspective? I could see some cracked boards happening

@@cody4783 totally agree, the power cables bend a lot the MB.

[@ChrisWijtmans]

i built plenty PCs and the 24-pin still scares me to this day. if only 12VO would be adopted(much less pins). @@cody4783

[@Perkele_Itse]

I LOVE the idea that everything plugs in from the back, seems like such a "why wasn't it always like this" issue.

[@recordedanemone6399]

Nice to take a break from CES

[@xurok]

That micro atx case @ 12:25 looks super clean

The idea to look where to put the SSD remember me the question: why U.2 is still not standard? Those drives now need heatsink, why not keep the 2.5" form factor and put that on another place? like having near a fan like the olds HDD.

[@xnetpc]

Linus thinks it’s only been 20 years of no standard for front panel headers. ATX motherboards had this problem from the start, which was 1995. It actually goes back further, there was no standard for AT/XT motherboards either.

[@ahadmrauf]

I wonder if the slightly improved aesthetics are worth how thick that case needed to be? It's definitely clean, but I also value how much floor/desk space my computer takes up.

[@timgels2918]

Yea. I am not sold on the idea for that reason

[@DeterminedFC]

your joking right?

[@m.h.7901]

those cases are literally 3cm wider, what are you smoking bruh

[@Idiomatick]

@@m.h.7901 The PS is behind the mobo. It is at minimum 10cm thicker. ATX PS are 87mm tall.

[@m.h.7901]

@@Idiomatick it depends on the case and how the company decided to make them, the ones ive seen from asus are literally 3cm more wider than my case now, and its not like there are not already super wide cases even without this back connector thing

[@AshtonCoolman]

I just got some Wicked Cushions for my Gemini HSR-1000s and they're really frickin good. I've needed new cushions for a long time now so it's enjoyable to use these headphones again.

[@jatin3355]

Am I the only one that is not really keen for less compatibility with PC building given all the niche components needed to make these motherboards work

[@ivangerginov5648]

Nope, I agree with you.

[@X3.X3]

*i just built a 6500x with a MSI Project Zero Z790 and it just looks so damn good with no wires coming out the front!*

[@ChusmaChusme]

Is it me, or is that just a lot of space to sacrifice for building a case like this.

[@BEHEMOTH20]

Really don't understand why the GPU power plugs aren't just moved to the bottom motherboard side but right at the end where these big GPUs often extend well past the motherboard, if you look @12:05 the power cables could easily be hidden behind the GPU and disappear straight through one on those grommets, I get that the PCB often doesn't extend that far bit its really not a complex problem to solve.

[@jebril]

I thought the same thing I think they are worried about clearance I guess, but no matter what some cases will always have clearance issues

[@SkyboxMonster]

Easy fix. I already got your answer. Make the Motherboard mounting plate itself a swappable item. different colors, different hole layouts. every case going forward could have a option of removing the entire motherboard plate. and you could buy a plate specific to your board that will fit your case.

[@itscrikey]

Underside connectors is something we used to talk in the 90s, it still blows my mind why we don't have it yet.

[@adr2t]

I really love it. Sure it has some draw backs too, but over all I like the idea of just hiding the cables and opening up more space for more things. As for the GPU - why not just move the power plug around instead? Like on the side or on the back? That way we dont have to have a new PCI slot or anything too fancy plus would still be compatible with current cable designs?

[@funtik0609]

It is like a city without people on the streets, like somethings missing

[@thebaldmaniac]

Dennis should just do all commercials. Not all commercials on LTT, all commercials ever!

[@MaxskiSynths]

I like good looking cables done properly. To me, they make a build look better, and theres more customisation options.

[@kod-s]

You could put power connector on the back of video card too. The new connectors are pretty small. You'd have to leave a hole in the motherboard (as not all video card are longer than the motherboards), but it could work without tryng to force more power through the motherboard itself.

[@ReflectivitytivitcelfeR]

Here is a simple solution, add an I for each standard to label it as inverted. For example, an iatx would be an inverted ATX motherboard. Inverted meaning the connectors are on the back. So for example you would have a IMATX B650M MSI Mortar WIFI. This way it becomes its own standard within the standard. No more confusion. No project names. Nothing of the sort.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

If this is anywhere nearly as popular as Linus thinks it will be there are a lot more folks who care a dramatically more about this kind of thing than I do

[@otacon5648]

I have the 680x and my son has the 280x. Both are great cases but with little things that could be improved. Can’t wait to see what the next gen of these cases has to offer.

[@vespermoirai975]

That white and violet looks amazing.

[@ShadowByNine]

The old 800D, I still have that case, was my first water cool build. I need to repurpose that case for a home nas

[@MatthewWright001]

Even as an experienced builder, I LOVE this idea.

i really like to see linus doing more stuff with roman. please do more of those ;)

[@NelsLindahl]

This was Linus at his very best as a video demonstrator of technology. Huzzah to you Linus.

[@UntouchedWagons]

I do like the idea of having all the motherboard IO on the back, I'm not particularly fussed however about running a power cable to my GPU. Also I liked those sponsorship segues.

[@jonevansauthor]

The solution to all this would be if ATX etc were managed by an industry forum, just like USB is. Thunderbolt and Magsafe have been opened up, so it's not without precedent. Plus someone could buy Maingear and patent strip them, I can't imagine they're worth much to a company the size of ASUS for instance.

[@DeterminedFC]

finally an intelligent comment on this video

[@arwo1143]

Honestly, GPU power connector should just be on the bottom (same direction as the PCIE connector) just behind the clearance of an ATX board. Just have a little hole in the mobo tray

[@reihaishi9740]

Back to the future is a good name for their series, good job Asus:3

[@cppctek]

I’ve been rooting for this for so long. I love to see it. ❤❤😊

[@junrhodlockwood6057]

Honestly given the clusterfuck of the 12pin power connector, I'm all in for Asus-like BTF++ extra 2 prime thingy

[@ShadowByNine]

Rear board connectors are not an isolated concept so it blows my mind that some one could patent it and literally bring this innovation to a stall for years, willing to bet this idea has floated around all mother board manufacturers engineering departments for the past 20 years. Hell the first PC I built my self 15 years ago I was looking for more optimized motherboards with connectors that were mounted on the back or some back to back 90 degree connector adapters for a full custom PC I wanted to make in my mountain mods case cause I hated seeing the cables bulging around the front but I couldn't find any.

[@TheLunchboxGuy]

The background conversations was really tripping me out. I thought I had a different tab playing audio XD

[@Luna0wl]

As someone whos PC is right now without a case because I hate to recable everything when I switch hardware this seems awesome not only for novice builders.

[@glennquagmire3258]

@9:27 Notice the CPI cooler's radiator tubs hitting the exhaust fan in the rear of the case.