I HATE TICKET BLEED | War Thunder

[@CatWerfer]

Sorry about the recording quality, server replays are super glitchy. This was a game I played last patch that perfectly captured what I hate about ticket bleed in Air RB. I know it serves the function of mitigating the effects of base campers but I think there are better ways to tackle that. I'll be doing a more indepth video on problems I have with Air RB later down the line but for today I just wanted to use this footage. It feels nice to use the old Adam video style.

[@Swagdonaldz]

ticket bleed ruins so many good games

[@BONGUS1-g7t]

ong bruh

[@C_Harold]

always tough to lose the last 1v1 to bleed, cant even count how many epic dogfights were cut short by that

[@CatWerfer]

yeah its so much more satisfying to just lose the dogfight because you got outskilled, at least then you can improve on something :(

[@KekusMagnus]

Yesterday I lost a 7 kill game to ticket bleed because the last guy insisted on circling the airfield. Average Gaijin moment

[@Salihli4545]

Circling the airfield is againts tos

[@jimbainianmonkey182]

I was in a prop game, this guys whole team dies within 5 minutes and he just camps the airfield, and the ticket bleed from FUCK KNOWS WHERE wins him the game, to this day I am pissed

[@CatWerfer]

yeah, genuinely depressing

[@Bisow9]

Just got off the game cause a bomber took too long to take off from the enemy team and it bled so many tickets from them that the match ended after the bomber took off. Wasn't even the poor fellas fault he couldnt get up in time

[@redtsar]

Amen brother, I hate it when someone has a nuke and they can't drop it in time due to ticket bleed

[@clauswisbom9728]

what is more stupid is as soon as you get in too the nuke plane the bleed speeds up lots of time where i think oh there is time to drop it but no

[@CoolLink-Zelda]

They should stop ticket bleed when someone summons a nuke plane until the nuke plane is dead or the match ends

[@redtsar]

@CoolLink-Zelda I thought that too, but then I realized that would be abusable My thinking is that it should reset all the caps to neutral, once all caps are no longer neutral, then the ticket bleed resumes

[@VictoriaCortes1717]

I saw that happen to a poor guy today, felt so bad for him

[@pumpkinferret]

They really need to implement a fucking mode without tickets, like come on.

[@borbduck]

"You don't understand, we have to base our game over a unified system for simplicity!" the system sucks

[@runakovacs4759]

Air sin has tickets but at least matches almost aleays last 90 minutes even with heavy ground strike presence.

[@cyber2526]

yeah matches are really short, you spawn, kill, go back to rearm, nvm match is over

[@CatWerfer]

Lmao this is the perfect summary

[@zedoktor979]

Ticket bleed is a 0/10 feature that serves no purpose.

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

Starting the day with a cat werfer upload is always a good time. You are almost at 3k subs congratulations.

[@CatWerfer]

@SegFaultOnLine1984 thanks! You've been here a while and I'm glad you've stuck around :)

[@SegFaultOnLine1984]

@CatWerfer Oh I just haven't commented. I watch every upload. I am very happy that you haven't given up with the low view numbers at first.

[@TripleHearts-hj4fq]

I heard Shadow the Hedgehog saying "NOOOOOOOOOO" at the end.. I know how this feels, literally lost a simple 1v1 yesterday cuz of it. GG though, solid game!

[@CatWerfer]

"ITS NO USE"

[@markolysynchuk5264]

Really annoying when I'm finally in a perfect position to kill something, but the tickets bleed out before I get a chance to get a kill

[@CatWerfer]

gaijin hates fun

[@9999AWC]

I miss when matches could last an hour

[@C0mmunistBalls]

Bots and AI should have no place in deciding the outcome of a PvP game.

[@CatWerfer]

indeed

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

Except it's not a PvP game and never has been, it's always been a PvA game. (PvA = Player versus All.) Ignore the enemy AI at your peril.

[@turkeyboy5543]

@@TheOneTrueDragonKing This is all well and good until your team's AI decide to circle in the middle of nowhere instead of actually ground pounding, causing the enemy team to auto-win after awhile. This has happened to me so many times. Imo only direct player actions should bleed tickets.

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

@@turkeyboy5543 Then there's no need for any players at all. Ticket bleed was designed to combat people who camp at base, AFKers, those that stay on the runway and not launch, and those that occasionally lob missiles across the map. It serves that purpose well. Now if only we could get a mechanic that serves to punish those who orbit high above the enemy spawn and lob missiles at helpless players (aka spawncampers) in Arcade, we could actually get things done!

[@turkeyboy5543]

@ passive ticket bleed already exists. Both sides automatically lose the same amount of tickets every few minutes. The match timer is also only 25 minutes nowadays instead of the hour it used to be. Plus you yourself can just ground pound to end the match sooner. I don’t have a problem with any of these mechanics. I just don’t like the highly asymmetric ticket bleed the AI tend to cause.

[@glattmasmas1485]

darn that landing, poor ground crew had to rearm and clean the RIO's seat. edit: darn sonic the hedgehog's music goes well with air combat uh?

[@CatWerfer]

lmaoooooo and mine too

[@BeedramWallatusk]

Air arcade on some maps has some kind of strange bleed mechanic where some games can end within 5 minutes, I don't know if it's more optimal AI pathing or what. Definitely has ruined streaks or wagers of mine where I needed more time to rack up the kills.

[@CatWerfer]

Honestly the wager system needs an overhaul, some of them like mission maker are frankly impossible to do unless you control the whole server

[@michael_aagaard]

Ticket bleed did make sense to some degree back when matches could last up to an hour, and where killing ground targets in a ground pounder could win games. At some point Gaijin even added three groups of unarmoured trucks that would spawn after 30 min (if i remember right). And killing those would cost the enemy team a lot of tickets, and even planes with only small caliber mgs could kill them. And they were added as sometimes the ticket bleed would be too slow to end the match in any kind of reasonable time, if the last enemy had climbed to space. These days with matches only being 25 min long at most, and killing ground targets almost never wining games anymore (for slower prop ground pounders there's just not enough time to kill enough ground targets to win), there's just no need for ticket bleed anymore.

[@ScruffysAdventures]

Ticket bleed was more used because people would space climb in a bomber or a fast plane or people trying to dog fight over there airfiled to beat you it for a easy kill but most play to tier and non of this stuff matters anymore cause well thing like agms fox3's and ir missiles the pick up 60°c from 10km are a thing now so ticket bleed not really thought about much in top tier

[@istillplayroblox6952]

lucky you from being able to land that MASSIVE B R I C K nice flying also

[@witchofengineering]

The fundamental difference between what the game was designed for (complete objectives to win) and what the players want to use it for (pure PvP)

[@CatWerfer]

i suppose that is true, but if I were to have spent more effort PvEing, I would've died much faster to the enemies, so you really have no choice but to PvP until there are few enough enemies to PvE. There isn't really a PvP dedicated gamemode, which is rather unfortunate

[@lidijaperic3334]

The Sonic music goes hard.

[@noticing33]

I remember my greatest game being on the losing side with less than 300 tickets, and clutched a 10 kill streak in the sprut sdm, had the enemy not had 1 death quitter woulda lost.

[@ev0h]

Higher tiers are an empty shell of what it used to be

[@CatWerfer]

I can still be fun, but you really have to fight to make it fun

[@turkeyboy5543]

My problem with ticket bleed isn't that players ground attacking can end the battle early. My problem with ticket bleed is that the AI planes ground attacking can not only end the battle early, but that sometimes one team's planes will glitch and fly in circles in the middle of nowhere, causing them to eventually auto-lose. Imo the AI planes killing ground targets should have zero impact on the tickets, only direct player actions.

[@CatWerfer]

100% agree

[@BlackBustnMoves]

I watched 1000 tickets disappear on Tunisia in 15 seconds. My relationship with the game hasn't been the same since.

[@CatWerfer]

tunisia is atrocious for its ticket bleed. I once saw a single wyvern win the game by killing 10 ground targets on that map. absolutely unbalanced map design.

[@tezbertzero1915]

IDK, I love ground pounding way more than just shooting at people, BUT I HATE competing for ground units against AI and they doing my strike work you know?? And yes it bleeds more tickets than it should but it's a risky task and without the team clearing the skies strike aircraft are sitting ducks (at least before higher tiers) so I hate the AI winning the game in both sides. We NEED a longer game mode like EC rb, a mix of fighters, bombers and attackers doing their stuff without ending the game in 10 minutes or less, that's what I love of sim battles even if I don't like how it plays.

[@CatWerfer]

yeah, or dedicated gamemodes for different vehicle classes would be nice so bombers can actually do something useful

[@KauppaKomissaari]

A mix is always the best like sparrows are so nice in headons

[@CatWerfer]

yorp

[@artemefimov8215]

One thing, I don't know why It doesn't even matter how hard you try

[@mirrson]

War Thunder: Almost Fun

[@CatWerfer]

So close to fun yet so far

[@Hpa513]

It hurts when you are dueling and your skills gets put to the test

[@ovrwrldkiler]

To be fair man, you didnt lose to passive ticket bleed at the end there. The enemy A5C was out there doing it themselves to end the game killing the AA trucks and your attack plane AI's. Thats fine by me. There needs to be a way to end games if someone is running off to space or camping airfield AA or something like that. Passive ticket bleed is pretty BS though (AI killing AI) and I wish that it would be lessened or removed. Nothing worse than both players commiting to a dogfight to end a game and it getting ruined by an AI howitzer finally randomly hitting its shot or something -.-

[@CatWerfer]

i guess, i just think its too fast. games used to be 45mins long but now they end in like 10

[@cagingskies9584]

It drives me mad when people respond with something along the lines of "erm, well, actually they outplayed you, and focused on the objective ☝️😼". I find it particularily egregious in 4.3 where the Wyvern exists. It is all too common that 2 or 3 Wyverns will wipe out a massive amount of AI ground targets before running back to their base, and as a fighter, there is not a thing I can do to stop that. I don't like losing to something completely out of my control.

[@CatWerfer]

there will probably always be "erm ackchewally" and "skill issue" people on the internet who exist to just be contrarian, best to leave them to their own devices

[@Migman141]

Ticket bleed has made me loose a. 10kill game I had 6 and went to re arm and the last four were easy kills but we lost cuz of it

[@luna-zh1tz]

Yesterday (was today 21 minutes ago) I lost a game cuz my turn fight took too long but to add insult to injury the game ended at the right moment when I got guns on the last guy.. A 2 min long dogfight of throwing everything we had on each other

[@458DESTRO]

If you want longer matches you could play SB.

[@CatWerfer]

I'm no good with sim controls :( I'm trying to learn tho

[@Jaeger_89]

We have a mode that is a glorified TDM but gets decided not by who dies first, but whether the AI ends it faster than you. It's rock bottom game design...

[@tofita7amed168]

Ticket bleed is 10 times worse in the mobile version, games end in 2 minutes there 💀

[@CatWerfer]

yikes rip mobile players

[@stringzzzzz]

Feels bugged since the last patch

[@CatWerfer]

Idk i haven't noticed much difference between recent patches

[@knarfxd4071]

All i see is a skill issue tho, u gotta kill all enemies BEFORE they+ai kill your tickets, duhh~~ (I feel your pain)

[@larshaas2658]

end ticket bleed is also always way too fast compared to the rest. ruins a lot of games and takes away meaning and motivation to give it your all.

[@XSpamDragonX]

AI attackers will start obliterating ground targets if they significantly outnumber the other team's attackers.

[@CatWerfer]

@@XSpamDragonX yup :(

[@XSpamDragonX]

@CatWerfer I hate it too, just seems like most people don't understand exactly what's happening. I've seen people say it's random many times.

[@CatWerfer]

@XSpamDragonX the worst thing is when you're bleeding tickets so you tell your friendlies to go after ai planes but they go after ai ground targets instead so your enemies tickets might bleed but yours still bleed faster and you lose

[@XSpamDragonX]

@@CatWerfer Like most player behaviour problems in this game, Gaijin doesn't teach people any better. Meanwhile, when you first start playing Ground battles, the game actively prompts you to blind yourself with smoke grenades every time you get hit. Either the game doesn't tell you what to do, or it literally tells you exactly what NOT to do.

[@adrianstachowski9422]

@@CatWerfer the worst thing is when you're the last one out of ammo, enemy have one bomber afk in stratosphere and enemy ai winning a match

[@andresinchausti3841]

2:03 that's not ur kill..

[@CatWerfer]

there is literally a killfeed you can read in the bottom left 🤦

[@Jugggernaawwt]

Can we get another mode i dont want to play capture the point anymore

[@CatWerfer]

true ground is also just as stale

[@superbuster11]

I hate when AI bleeds tickets in SIM battles.

[@CatWerfer]

i didnt know it happens in sim as well huh

[@superbuster11]

@CatWerfer you can bleed tickets destroying airfield modules, capturing the zone but the AI bleeds tickets when you ignore tasks like destroy enemy AI bombers or protect your own AI. It can bleed tickets so fast the whole game lasts 1 to 1,5 hours.

[@N9197U]

That's the reason the tasks exist. You kill the AI and the enemy loses their tickets. Every task has an opposite one for the enemy. When yours says destroy the AI, theirs says protect it.

[@superbuster11]

@@N9197UI know that ;) but I have the impression that on some maps these quests appear more often than on others. And the tickets bleeds to fast.

[@C_Harold]

ME TOO!

[@CatWerfer]

I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT

[@adrianstachowski9422]

I had so many games recently in a28b with ace lost by ticked bleed because ai shooting eachother for tickets -.- This mechanic is the most stupid thing in any pvp game I've seen. Win to loose ratio doesn't mean anything in this game

[@CatWerfer]

Air rb has gotten wayyy too stalgoand outdated for its own good

[@kimjanek646]

Who doesn’t 😌

[@TheRelic72]

Ticket bleed is BS

[@litrize1]

Yeah ticket bleed is BS

[@jmarttal]

Ticket bleed is caused by destroying ground targets, even by AI planes, so killing off the enemy AI ground attackers will stop that cause of ticket bleed.

[@CatWerfer]

yes i am aware how it works

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

Ground attack mode rewards ground attack, who woulda thunk it? Wish there was a game mode that was literally ALL ground attack, and any air kills would not only not reward the player that made them, but penalize them for not playing the objective.

[@CatWerfer]

yeah that would be the dream

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

@@CatWerfer Surprised you agree with me there. You seem more of the PvP type than the PvE type. You prefer air-to-air versus air-to-ground, even when air to ground is the objective. By not playing the objective, you actually contribute to the problem. When you play the objective rather than doing your own thing, you get the appropriate rewards - that is to say, you win. And when you do your own thing rather than playing the objective, you get the appropriate consequences - that is to say, you lose. So yes, you lost, but it's not due to ticket bleed. It's due to not enough players playing the objective and too many focusing on air battles. You didn't do any of what you were supposed to do to win, and in doing so, you earned that loss. Plain and simple. Dogfights simply don't matter as much as the actual objective. So try killing the AI, like you're supposed to, rather than killing other players. Don't blame ticket bleed for your own lack of ability to perform the mission. For me the best game mode would be a Reverse Assault mode. You know, the mode where a small number of players face off against waves upon waves of AI bombers and attackers plus Howitzer artillery in the mix on certain waves? However, it'd be flipped on its' head so that players were the attackers, and the AI were on defense. Perhaps something similar to helicopter PvE but with fixed-wing aircraft.

[@CatWerfer]

I think there should be a separate air superiority gamemode and separate ground attack gamemode. I don't want to lose because I didn't groundpound in a fighter with limited ammo like a yak3 and I don't want to lose because I couldn't kill fighters in an attacker like the mosquito. In this game in particular, sure I could've groundpound more but its always a balance since if I spend ammo killing ground targets, I can't kill as many air targets, which will then kill me if I don't kill them first. From a team contribution standpoint I think eliminating 6 enemies that could've potentially killed me and other teammates is a lot more useful than if I had just groundpound. I think it's very difficult to assign responsibility in terms of who causes a win and a loss when the gamemode is inherently structured to try to accomodate so many different types of vehicle classes to the point that it kinda falls apart. tldr we need more gamemodes for different vehicle classes, air rb is stale

[@adrianstachowski9422]

@@TheOneTrueDragonKing The problem is ai killing another ai for tickets not the players doing objectives

[@TheOneTrueDragonKing]

@@adrianstachowski9422 One could argue that that's not actually the problem. See, if the players would do the objectives the AI wouldn't have to do it for them! The AI actually has more skill and ability than the players, and that's saying something!

[@godozawt]

Late game duels are literally the best feeling. Where skills are actually put to the test. Rip the 7 kill 🪦

[@CatWerfer]

its literally ace combat zero and its FRIGGEN AWESOMEEEE im so sad 😭