I Have Serious Concerns About Dawntrail's Story...

[@FubukiShiromiya]

This video is aging rather well.

[@Copain88]

When the prophet ended up being a vtuber

[@friktogurg9242]

I am late to this but... it is clear they are capable of making a good story, I hope that the quality in dawntrail is just a short-term difficulty in starting a new story.

[@FubukiShiromiya]

@@friktogurg9242 I sure hope so, but hearing about the continuation of the story in 7.1 gives me some dread. Of course it was going to happen, but here’s hoping they pivot hard in 7.3 at least

[@friktogurg9242]

@@FubukiShiromiya It cannot be that most of the writers retired after endwalker, yeah? To address what you brought up, what happened in 7.1?

[@FubukiShiromiya]

@@friktogurg9242 I don’t know what the staffing situation is like. Do you? I don’t really follow it. What I was referring to in 7.1 was notes that the story would be continuing following whats-his-ja’s kid and I just couldn’t care less about any of that and want to move on.

[@TeemoTemosson]

Theory: This VTuber secretly works at Square Enix and this was her trying to warn us about Dawntrail's MSQ.

[@epicadventureturtle1363]

I feared it would be a 30 hour beast tribe quest. Turns out that it is exactly that. 😂

[@Joseph_Siri]

Just got past the train repair part, and wow, this is the best way to describe how I've felt so far with the story. Gonna be using this line. 😂

[@The_Yukki]

When all you have is a hammer and all...

[@TeemoTemosson]

Wrong. It's a 30 hour "Allied Society" quest. 🤣

[@ChZenOnE]

I think we should have a Garlamald restoration before going on vacation

[@Rhomagus]

Agreed.

[@Disapointedmellencol]

saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[@shizachan8421]

The Garleans totally should have to labour and pay off reparations for all the damage they caused before being allowed to have their own state again, which should be set further north in a ceruleum poor region, to prevent them from starting their magitech empire yet again. Instead of us feeding them, I t hink it should have been more that they are taken prisoner and we see them being conscribed as workers for Doman and Ala Mhigan restauration.

[@koatam]

The Endless was a subject that could have filled a whole expansion. It got surface level examination and was tossed to the side. They laugh, play, fall in love, produce culture and are capable of interacting with the outside world. For all intents and purpose they were alive, but the story treats them like they weren't. It encouraged us to commit (deleting a group of people) because their existence was inconvenient. Rather than finding an alternate solution to the real issue, that was their need to kill people to survive. If their issue was they didn't have access to tacos, there would be no moral issue to letting them continue until the heat death of the universe. I guess we don't need to try because they aren't real... Much easier to just turn them off forever...

[@SamF1013]

I understand your feelings however. For The Endless specifically, I felt that that was kind of the point. The point is to accept the inevitability of death, and that nothing lasts forever. To go against nature like that comes at a great cost. There shouldn't be a solution to their problem. Their entire society is built around a denial of death. Of course the solution isn't going to be "look, a sustainable way to deny death forever!!" It shouldn't be that way. You're supposed to mourn them, as you mourn people. You're meant to go into denial, bargain, hope for another way, a way to keep them around. But the reality is that.. you can't. And that you shouldn't cling to the dead in such ways. It's a very common theme in literature. Sometimes... there just isn't a solution.

[@koatam]

@@SamF1013 When is the time to die? This very much sounds like the tar pit. In the show "Dinosaurs" they had a tradition of throwing their elderly into tar pits because they had become a burden. But civilization had advanced enough that they were able to continue to sustain them and they stopped the tradition. I very much do not accept that a life has to end. Or that new life is more valuable than old life.

[@SamF1013]

@@koatam It's great to struggle with the concept of mortality. Many people do. You're ironically exemplifying the point of that chapter of the story. But death comes nonetheless. "The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, the solemn temples. The great globe itself. Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve. And, like this insubstantial pageant faded. Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little lives are rounded with a sleep." - Shakespeare, The Tempest (rough quote) The concept of The Endless is simply another tale in an anthology of stories encapsulating the concept of grief. Denial, Bargaining, Anger, Depression, Acceptance. The dead are gone, you cannot hold onto them forever. Even the memories will not last forever. Everyone. The most infamous people, buildings that are said to be eternal. Everything and everyone eventually fades into stardust.

[@koatam]

@@SamF1013 My disagreement with mortality is kind of beside the point. If I agreed that life should have an end, it's still wrong to have ended The Endless because they were still alive. The "right" thing to have done is to stop Sphene from gathering souls and let the system decay. Without the input of fresh souls they would have "died naturally."

[@ricopowerful]

Hello from future, the writer really went ahead and did everything you told them not to do. 🙃

[@virtual_iska]

:(

[@cyberjunk8914]

but... most of the scions were much more in the background this expansion, it's very much the start of a new arc that relies little on previous stories, there were no characters from old expacs showing up to cause character bloat, the "civil war" did in fact turn out to be much more of a friendly competition without the scions working against each other. AND we didn't get any Ascian shenanigans it seems to me like most of the concerns brought up in this video were avoided pretty well?

[@SageTigerStar]

@@cyberjunk8914 it is a little unfortunate that even though we had the scions there and they *did* technically take more of a back seat...we really didn't get a whole lot of time to bond with other characters in a meaningful way, mostly because anytime we'd talk to anyone else, Wuk Lamat would push her way into the conversation and wonder why the focus wasn't on her for the last 2 minutes.

[@Kalishta00]

This aged like fine wine

[@esideras]

I had low expectations but holy shit. Yawntrail more like.

[@easlyth251]

since the announcement of dawntrail i had one big question in my head: will they address the final days? i mean: WE know what happened, but on a totally new continent, where it was not explained, what happened? and it was the end of the world! right? right? RIGHT?? burning skies, monsters and all? the whole world was affected, right? right? ...? so in the new world, no one was affected by the last days? so it was only the end of half the world? a third? for me, its a very lazy connection between the addons and it takes away from endwalker. the end of the world was never the end of the world, if other continents never heard about it, and so the end of the world was never a big thing.

[@Tsuba_Nick]

I was thinking the same thing…

[@viruschris3160]

I was wondering about that too and thought they might bring it up but nope.

[@stormdrain23]

Oh wow. Some of your predictions were spookily accurate. For better or for worse… 😬

[@youtousim]

After playing through the story, I desperately wish there was more Scions in there.

[@DKarkarov]

Come on now, there were some Scion looking people in that story. They seemed to really look like them anyway, until they talked anyway.

[@UwUxy]

I watched this last week and now just finished the story...... I really wish you didn't have psychic powers

[@virtual_iska]

haha im sorry

[@MorryOnTheFence]

Swaping Krile with Wuk Lamat as the focal point and adjusting the pacing could have had the same rough story with a different focus and had it be 100x better. The twins and Estinien made sense, every other Scion there was too much extra.

[@Kylesico912x]

I'd trade the twins with Uriange and Thancred. The Twins didn't feel like they really had anything to do while they were with us. At the very least the dads made for a great mentor for Koana.

[@thepainsight]

The Twins need to be put on the bench more than the other scions in my opinion.

[@vincentbeton]

Could not agree more on the points about the Scions. We desperately need a fresh Group, and I cannot imagine they're just not doing it because it would gimp the Trust System for a while

[@jumbokiddo8063]

The MSQ pace is so slow atm imo and very underwhelming. Just my personal opinion though.

[@demonbane2280]

Dawntrail is incredibly dry, it's taking so much active effort just to push through this ffxiv filler arc just to unlock the new high end content i continue to play for

[@Zakharon]

You would think FFXIV players would get a clue and stop being dead wrong all the time by calling any msq or patch "filler" I bet so many people thought Ardbert and the warriors of darkness in heavensward was filler never to be important again, only to be slapped in the face with them while crying over Shadowbringers msq, even the void/Zero plot has already become a touching point in the new dlc already proving that there is no filler in FFXIV and everything always comes around

[@blaizemarquez2967]

​@@ZakharonThat's not what they said at all dude. They voiced discontent with the story and basically said the story was filler for their personal experience since they just want to do high-end content due to how flat the story was to them. Check your rage Mr. "Dead Wrong" and try to approach it again when you realize other people play the game differently than you do or have different takes. At least correctly assess someone's statement before talking down on someone needlessly with your pent up aggro.

[@CosmicPoe]

​@@ZakharonNone of this story felt important, it was filler

[@HoodeloodumGAME]

It couldn't have turnt out any worse. It's made me want to turn from a story-exclusive enjoyer into a story skipping raider out of necessity of getting my money's worth from this expansion. We're kind of masquerading with corpses of 'complete' characters, with somehow less interesting husks of new characters. Wuk Lamat is purely poorly written - I actually feel like she was scarcely written at all. Man. It sucks. Bad. I am omitting my gripes with CBU3s apparent inability to innovate their MSQ gameplay because that would be a russian novel. In summary though: after heavily abridging ARR, they somehow failed to see why they were seen as unideal, and stuck with the same formula for a dubbed 'new chapter, a beginning to a 10 year plan'.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

turnt?

[@oldweeb1066]

I regret getting Dawntrail.

[@JoshVanAlstine]

I'm seeing this video 11 days after it's posting and as someone else in the comments said, it aged well. Natsuko Ishikawa did not write the scenario for Dawntrail as I understand it so that is most likely to blame for what we've been given. There are some new plot points that have merit and hold my interest, but over half of the msq was hard to sit through. I hope that Yoshi P is seeing/hearing the feedback it's getting and responds accordingly.

[@SilverNightbane]

This aged like wine... It's terrifying how much of what you predicted actually came true.

[@virtual_iska]

haha it’s a curse!!

[@cushionysleet90]

I really hope we can go to Corvos or Meracydia with G'raha, I feel like either one could be pretty interesting for his character? Estinien in Meracydia could also be neat i think

[@cushionysleet90]

I'm biased though because G'raha is my favorite character ::')

[@SirAustin]

How is the story? I'm playing currently level 97 but honestly i've skipped almost al of the story from th new xpac lmao

[@virtual_iska]

you can watch my follow up to this video to find out lol

[@Dyskresiac]

Krile has yet to have any 'arc' as you described. She's been the most boring Scion since the useless leader from ARR. She deserves her time in the spotlight. But honestly, I really could do without the twins.

[@virtual_iska]

i agree, i think out of all the scions krile is probably the one that deserves to come with us the most because she could definitely use some development.

[@Chris-cb5xh]

Good video. I agree with most of your points ...... except for the references section. I actually think the way they reference old games is actually ingenious because they either make the references tie into the ff14 universe or they give a good reason why the original universe is present in the ff14 universe. I didnt really play ff4 either but i thought the golbez arc was pretty cool because it essentially was an excuse to explore more of the 13th's present and past. It wasnt really about the ff4 reference so much as it was about seeing the interactions between the shards.

[@virtual_iska]

thank you! yeah, i find that i do actually really like the references when they can tie it in! i enjoyed the ruby weapon series questline and what they did with that, and i do agree completely that we definitely needed to go to the 13th to tie up a lot of loose ends. i think that the golbez arc from around 6.4-5 ended up being really cool, but i think they really missed with the fiends and the build up to it, so i spent most of endwalker really checked out of the patch cycles since it just felt like they were throwing references at me. they CAN definitely do references well, but the times they've done it a little hamfisted makes me wary haha

[@AmiHinaLee]

This is my stance as well. All very agreeable points considering I went into this video thinking I would disagree with everything since im riding the DT hype train (since it'll be my first expansion I go into as its released). As someone who has played ff4, when I was told Endwalker's post was a love letter to it, it actually encouraged and motivated me to keep playing. Not to say the original plot didnt do the job, but it was a huge factor in my personal enjoyment of the game. After Endwalker was finally completed, post-ew was like my "reward" for getting as far as I did. The references definitely cater to my generation of nostalgia, cus boy howdy do I love pointing at things and going "OMG I REMEMBER THIS!" ahah, i can't beat those allegations, but I can also see how/why it wouldn't be someone elses cup of tea.

[@virtual_iska]

haha thanks for giving it a shot! yeah, i can agree with that. i'm also very susceptible to being excited by seeing things i remember! but in cases where i don't really know what they're referencing it just kind of feels like everyone is laughing, but i'm not in on the joke.

[@bamboozled_again]

dawntrails story sucks ass, it's not even funny, this was supposed to be the start of a new era of expansions and it's super fucking cringe and miserable ...

[@MilkLessThan3]

8:56 - How I so badly wished this comment about no stakes didn't age like humid, room temperature opened milk...

[@hallo-mt5tx]

just finished it, my only thought is if i should unsubscribe for a few months pretty much the entire MSQ felt like something we already did before but worse wuk lamat is such a lame, one dimensional character for someone who is in the spotlight the entire time feels like they couldnt find talented writers who are on par with the previous ones

[@MetsuNoShin]

Got a huge gripe with the "these are out main characters, we can't kill them off". Also, why even care about the story having high stakes if it those stakes would never be reached. Which is probably the real sore point for me, the good guys never really lose in the end. It's lame as hell. This is where some main character deaths would do the story well imo.

[@virtual_iska]

same!! every time they get put in a situation where they MIGHT die it makes it feel cheap because you just know they're going to be fine afterwards.

[@Stiksta]

I disagree. Stories that just pointlessly kill off their characters is actually pretty cringe. Like it's trying to be a rip off of game of thrones or something. Honestly even game of thrones or attack on titan kinda didn't do it properly. The "main cast" is just everyone who made it to the end. They had massive plot armor all along. There never was any stakes just the illusion of it. I see the scions like the main crew of any TV show or anime. It gives the story an actual narrative device to show character growth in a story where the main lead is mute. Killing them off or retiring them is just a waste. It's like having a long running TV show and then the og cast just gets replaced. Stargate SG1, Babylon 5, etc... Everytime this happens the show ends up feeling too different and gets canceled. I mean look at what happened with the villains. Now that emet and zenos are gone what's left? You take lex luthor or the joker and toss em in the garbage. Or even if it's a redeemed one we only redeem them just to toss them in the garbage again. It's like permanently killing off Vegeta in the frieza saga. Just boggles my mind seeing fans want to kill of characters then complain their fan favorites get killed off. Character deaths are really the most impactful at the end of a story, so they participate in it from start to finish. It's an ongoing mmo so...

[@theocan]

From what I hear, the second half of the main scenario is just ripped straight from FF9, so if you aren't a fan of references, brace yourself. Also, I hear, this is not the same writers from the more successful expansions, so it's entirely possible that this is the far less talented team.

[@idc2120]

Superficially ripped. Apart from the fusion and soul stuff it has very little to do with FF9 other than some visual cues.

[@randywilliams7696]

keep spitting facts. I was very pleased with 6.0 and my disappointment was immeasurable when we found out the scions disbanding was just a prank and we'd be following like 75% the same characters in the postpatch and expansion. There's only so much more you can do with them, they have to go be on their own to give the story breathing room.

[@virtual_iska]

thanks! calling the scions disbanding "just a prank" is honestly so funny, that's really what it felt like

[@relquar9248]

Thank you for having hot takes! It's refreshing to escape the opinion echo chamber and hear some real worries from a dedicated FFXIV fan. Even if I have some disagreements, I do share some of the same worries you bring up. Picking out parts from your video that I agree with and others that I don't helps me sort out how I feel myself. Liked and subscribed! Like you, I did notice that the stakes of Endwalker could not have been higher, with the fate of the universe at stake. However, I don't think this means that the story going forward will be boring. Even just low stakes dramas like trying to protect a dear friend, stop a hateable villain, or compete with an aggravating rival can be very entertaining if you ask me. It's all about the quality of the writing. I wonder what we'll get!

[@virtual_iska]

that's a good point! the stakes don't need to be universe-ending to feel impactful, and i'm personally hoping for another villain to be invested in. we'll see! thank you for your response, i really appreciate hearing that!!

[@victisomega4248]

Ironically enough, I'd have appreciated "Hey! Remember FF9?!" a heck of a lot more than what we got...

[@thetwoo3405]

not having a world ending thing gives a chance for the scions just being side character, and giving development to your own story and others. because if it was a big world ender or threat then the scion would have to be there again to save the day again.

[@virtual_iska]

true! i guess they deserve a vacation too

[@Danielson002]

I actually wouldn't mind the scions getting pulled from msq moving forward and introducing an entire new cast. I'd rather see them be part of things like trials or alliance/normal raid stories. I can't believe how well you nailed it though, literal prophetic predictitions.

[@virtual_iska]

haha yeah unfortunately i was pretty spot on... a friend of mine suggested using the scions for the role quests, and i think that'd be a fun place to put them!

[@TheDarkThunder]

I liked Hoary Boulder and the B team!

[@cparty7790]

Honestly, I do share many of these opinions. Still hyped, but yeah, I think if not now, in the coming expansions they are probably going to have address this stuff.

[@virtual_iska]

i'm actually pretty hyped too haha, but yeah it does feel like it's just going to get worse if they keep avoiding it.

[@Tom-Pendragon]

she was so fucking right...

[@GuilhermeMoreira-mc]

Thank you! Someone said what I was thinking about Scions since ShB. Man just get rid of them pls, I beg. I just dont agree on references.... one of the reasons its bc I love the franchise and FFIX was my childhood FF. Plus the quests keeps the same boring formula: Speak with Alphinaud Speak with Alphinaud Speak with Alphinaud again CS CS CS Pick some grass Speak with Alphinaud CS CS CS Speak with Alphinaud Defeat a god - end of expac.

[@SageTigerStar]

Lemme fix it for the current state of things. Speak with Wuk Lamat Speak with Wuk Lamat Speak with Wuk Lamat again CS Featuring Wuk Lamat Do arbitrary task that they tasked Wuk Lamat with doing Speak with Wuk Lamat CS Featuring Wuk Lamat where Wuk Lamat gets praise for everything you did while not being Wuk Lamat Speak with Wuk Lamat Oh hey, Krile's here too Defeat a - no, wait, you aren't the main character, silly! Go back to your silly adventurin', silly.

[@ChZenOnE]

If will lost someone in Endwalker, who would be the most impactful? I say one of the twins of would hurt the most.

[@virtual_iska]

hmm that's a hard one!! i think losing one of the twins would be too brutal haha. honestly maybe urianger, especially after the whole arc with him on the moon.

[@ChZenOnE]

I could see Urianger bite the bullet for some self sacrifice

[@Pandan3D]

ONE of the twins dying would be insane... idk how they could do that but it'd be crazy

[@DuoMaxwel]

I am glad to see someone else shares a lot of my worries for Dawntrail. All I do is hope that it is building to something good and not just an xpac to be.. there

[@virtual_iska]

they usually manage to pull out something surprising, so... here's hoping!!

[@4MonsterhunterStory]

Your voice helps me relax, it has a nice tune to it! Oh and I know it's kinda late but Solution 9 is a special attack from FF9's main guy Zidane! Dawntrail is heavily homaging FF9

[@virtual_iska]

haha, thank you! i've been informed about solution 9 but i don't think it's the worst reference ffxiv has done so i can forgive that one 😅

[@DorkyPorgi]

I disagree with most all these points but still watched all the way through. NUMBERED LIST TIME! 1. I think the scions main problem is that they need breathing room to develop instead of just reacting to strife/conflict. 2. Having existing buddys actually makes the players more invested, rather than feeling isolated with only new characters who need time to warm up to ya. I'm personally tired of brooding npcs who take a long time to be likeable rather than just having a group of friends. 3. Character bloat hasn't stopped people from liking other characters. Feels like a very weak point when each expansion we have the scions but also other npcs who stick around for an expansion or two. I remember a jp 2019 popularity poll where the top characters are all dead ones. 4. Scion civil war, feels weak, I agree. Going to be hard to sell this one, but there's a chance they can pull it off. 5. I don't think there needs to be a universe ending plot, but the stakes have to be high. Start with making you invested in a new place, learning to love it and then threaten it. I think they're going to pour more in than usual to make you love this new world. In that case you need to start slow. 6. I honestly think we're done with Ascians. This is a good point but not likely to come up. 7. Honestly all the supposedly villains here seem really weak and this girl doesn't fit the bill for what will be a villain for this expansion. Please introduce someone not in the patch notes to fill this role SquareEnix. 8. Nothing wrong with the shard theory, I don't think that's going to be the case though. It's more likely to be the hidden top of the map had some reactivated allagan civilization or underground bunker civilization or something. I think that's more likely here. 9. References are the lifesblood of ff14, my hopes is that we get more references, not less. This is one of the big hopping on points for most people and probably the most unpopular point to go against it. Thanks for the vid and hopefully your concerns are addressed when the expansion drops. Only one way to know for sure, see ya in Dawntrail!

[@virtual_iska]

very thoughtful response, thank you! see you in dawntrail, i hope you have fun!!

[@The_Yukki]

Now that I think about it... outside of moral issues of killing denizens of shards... With final days over there's no reason for someone not to continue the work of ascians and unite the shards with the source again. At least to my understanding Venat shattered the source cause it was too dense in eather for it's denizens to use dynamis which turned out to be required to defeat the endsinger (LB is us using dynamis and tank LB3 is required for that fight [or at least was] even on normal)

[@7RicolmE7]

Who's the clown now buddy?

[@CrackedButterBread]

Yay!!! Another video. At least it’s not a 5 month pause again! Keep going, you’ll do great!

[@virtual_iska]

haha thanks for your support!! i'll keep doing my best 💪

[@MissKashira]

As someone watching this after DT released, you should change your name to Cassandra because you called it.

[@CosmicPoe]

A horrible expansion story and Wuk drove me crazy

[@ebthegt5572]

My biggest, most prevalent concern is Wuhu Lmao's behaviour, and characterisation so far. She's showing traits of the Rings of Power Galadriel, unlikeable and grating. Admittedly, we have an entire new storyline for her to develop, but her personality doesn't seem to be anything beyond: "I'm gonna be the next Hokage!"

[@virtual_iska]

she does feel very.... shonen lol that's a good way to put it.

[@Kagpaw]

I'm sort of the opposite and am so tired of the grand/massive scale of things and how great you are because you're the chosen one, and etc. I'm almost a little bummed out by the solution nine stuff because it's obvious something grander that an adventure story is going to happen. Whatever we'll find out tomorrow. Hope everyone has fun either way.

[@virtual_iska]

valid! i'm pretty tired of the grand/massive scale stuff too, but i like the visual distinction of solution nine so that wins out. we'll see! i think it'll be fun to play at least, even if it isn't too memorable as an expansion story.

[@cks796]

At the 98 quests I couldn't stand it anymore and just started skipping everything...and I have never done that since I started playing back in 2.0.

[@virtual_iska]

sorry to hear that! :( it made me a little tempted to skip, too

[@Pandan3D]

Totally agree with everything you said! I'm hoping they leave the scions behind shortly after we get to Tural Also the Gaius side story in Shadowbringers is my favorite quest series ever!

[@virtual_iska]

thanks! good taste!!!

[@dp2251]

Why are people saying you hit the nail on the head when basically nothing you mentioned happened in Dawntrail? I don’t think some of these people have played it yet.

[@ItsSVO]

She literally called the antagonists whole goal with solution 9.

[@LemonInYourEyes]

In the intro I thought this was just gonna be a bunch of doomer hot takes, but I at least see your points and wholeheartedly agree with a couple of them. All told I *am* really exhausted with the doomerism since the lack of content drama during Endwalker and especially with the job design stuff going into Dawntrail, so thank you for not doing that. All that said, I think Endwalker should've killed at least one Scion off for good. Let the idea of the scions rest already, give them all something else to do, and give us new characters already. I'm fine taking one or two to Tural to join us (The twins makes the most sense). But CS3 doing the whole death fakeouts at the end of EW just shows that they're stuck on these characters and so are we.

[@virtual_iska]

haha yeah i'm definitely not a doomer or anything! getting mad about the job design stuff is very silly. yeah lol i agree, those scenes in endwalker felt really emotional but it kinda lessened it when you're like oh... they're never letting go of these characters, are they?

[@aspookyscaryskeleton1474]

Using Raubahn's quote about victories rarely being won without sacrifice only to then undo each sacrifice the scions made to bring them all back again was pretty goofy.

[@Bistonaito1410]

I like your opinions Vtuber lady i hope Dawntrail is better than what we expect it to be also ZENOS SUPPORTERS RISE UP!!

[@virtual_iska]

yeah!!! me too, hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised!

[@Narlan1]

I glamoured my main into the lvl 1 catgirl armore and gonna play dt as if im playing arr for the first time. But yeah the scions as much as i love yshtola feels pointless if we keep going back to them Lets go for a star ocean! Save different worlds! New people new lands new

[@virtual_iska]

star ocean sounds so fun!! that's what i'm hoping for now! new worlds!!

[@Narlan1]

@virtual_iska imagine with yoshi p doing a moar dragon quest world where we look like a ff14 char in a world that's dragon quest art Or a metriod world Or like a ghibli world One of the world's being earth Endless choices with the right storytellin

[@ryanc5572]

I played FF4 TWICE and I still don't remember anything about Golbez 😅 At least his Trial was fun, at least. This EW post-patch chain is such a slog though. Worst time I've had with 14 since ARR.

[@trignite]

EW Post patch quests aren't even close to as bad as early dawntrail.. You can skip almost every cutscene in the first two zones after the city and miss nothing.

[@Calios]

Can you predict the lottery for me please?

[@Disapointedmellencol]

"We shall have to Wait and See"

[@Tsuba_Nick]

I had disliked this before release. Now after watching your recent one, I like that one and this one and instantly subbed…. I am worried about the future of the game we love…

[@andylawlzz]

i share a bunch of your concerns but the reality is i have doubted this team time and time again when it comes to the story and it has yet to disappoint, so im finally at the point where i can give them the benefit of the doubt

[@virtual_iska]

uh oh, don't jinx it!

[@NonsensicalPidgeon]

its not the referencing the other games is bad its that the execution of it sucks

[@mariogentry4238]

I have no problem with the WOL being put to the side to help another, but this naw so far seems like a slog compared to all the other past expansions. It’s making me appreciate Stormblood which I initially thought was the worst.

[@DizzyTCG]

Not bad points, but I do disagree with your last section (references). EW patches were handled poorly IMO, and even in context it doesn't add a whole lot to the game. It was underdeveloped and honestly needed a lot more to it. I think they can do it well, even if they do rip certain things straight out. They just need enough for the characters to stand on their own even if they are references. The two Golbezes (Golbeese?) are effectively two different characters, only sharing some personality traits (and design of course). However, the early/mid patches just sorta waved him and the Archfiends around without giving proper development and introductions (aside from Barbariccia, who I think was the only one who they did "okay" at). It's not that they're references that's at fault, they're undercooked references. They'd still be underwhelming if they were different original characters.

[@DizzyTCG]

Also how could you disrespect Hoary Boulder like that?

[@virtual_iska]

yeah, good point! references CAN be done well, but i agree, i just think the EW patches dropped the ball and made it hard to be invested when they actually got better. golbeese lmao

[@virtual_iska]

rip to a real one

[@cyberjunk8914]

yeah, i completely agree, i think that the EW patches relied on FFIV a little too closely too truly stand on their own, hoping that fans of that game would enjoy the characters purely for the references. I think Zero is the only part of it that really works because she's original, but even her character development was a little underbaked. In my opinion, a lot of it also comes down to being a patch arc that has much less space to explore than a full expansion, making everything feel even more rushed. I think extensive callbacks like this can work well in FFXIV when they're more focused on telling an original story with distinct characters and not just namedropping and recreating events from old games for the sake of fanservice.

[@vierabunn8931]

I'm sick of the Scions as well xD

[@virtual_iska]

i'm glad someone agrees!!

[@starlitromance]

if that man the monkeyboy from final fantasy 9 shows up in dawntrail i am going to SWAT naoki yoshidas house

[@DerechteAlbrechtDürer]

Dawntrail is insultingly bad.

[@leighg9o]

Story was absolutely terrible and the wokeness is becoming to real

[@seekittycat]

The second half of DT picks up for me. Didn't think I would ugly cry during boring summer vacation but here I am fml.

[@insertcognomen]

it's the start of something new...so it's ARR again. going to be boring until the end of the patch stories i guess

[@virtual_iska]

yeah, just kind of the nature of it! i just hope they throw in some interesting new plot hooks.

[@Stiksta]

Solution 9 is just an attack for Zidane in FF9. Enjoy the reference inception. Personally I'm kinda hype for dawn trail. We are going to America. Im wondering if we will end up losing the games to thancreds heir, the miqo'te seems more level headed than the girl. I want to see more on solution 9 and the golden city, meet the new ascians, and see what else of emet selchs spoiler speech we get to visit in post-game content. I mean it's way more hype than whatever wow is trying to come up with. That game has no questions I care to answer anymore. They keep ruining or killing off my fav characters.

[@Xeakerr]

I can't see this fu**ing Scions anymore. Holy god remove them from the game I don't want them anymore after 10 years!!!!!!!!

[@arcaneSae]

I enjoyed dawntrail though ro be fair i did skip pretty much every CS since i mostly play for the grinding

[@briantown6716]

I think story was fine in terms of starting up a new series, the 1st half of the story was pretty par for the course adventure stuff and wasn't super exciting. 2nd half I think did a very good job on starting to touch on concepts in regards to death and memories and such.

[@KingMidgardsormr]

I feel like we've been playing two different games lol

[@virtual_iska]

midgardsormr is my favorite character!!

[@KingMidgardsormr]

@@virtual_iska Well shieeettt Niceeee! Funny enough I didn't name myself after Midgardsormr from FF14 but after a dragon in my own novel with the same name haha

[@virtual_iska]

it's a good name for a dragon!

[@Qkochan3]

as someone who actually cares about the ff games and has played them, the golbez after patch stories mattered way more to me than 6.0 patch questlines. i can understand it being jarring if you just dont play ff games (no mention of the nier/drakengard raid tho) so a lot of the references go over your head, but thats what a theme park mmo does when it has the name of a pre-existing successful franchise. its funny you also mentioned genshin which quite literally does the exact same thing, half of their roster is JUST honkai impact 3rd characters or references or allusions. i think what youre really asking for is for someone else to make game it feels, with 0 history, 0 other games, and 0 references to anything else (good luck). if you dont care about the Final Fantasy franchise, mayhaps dont play the game surrounded by Final Fantasy?? please play a different game if final fantasy in final fantasy bugs you that much

[@virtual_iska]

i’m glad this video made you feel so passionately, thank you for watching!

[@Raines33]

genshin impact is a terrible comparison

[@virtual_iska]

yeah? how so?

[@Arukkao]

Mid Lamat.

[@lens_hunter]

"Dont take this too seriously" "Just consider me playing devil's advocate here" Both of these statements make me wonder why anyone would continue watching the video if you're presenting that you don't actually care that much about your opinions.

[@virtual_iska]

neither statement imply that i don't care, just that i'm presenting opinions that differ from the norm. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@sayfmachida]

yeah DT story is trash

[@irunhot]

I completely disagree.

[@Wingedspace22]

So I think it’s a perfect palate cleanser of EW and sorry… but people need to not keep thinking about EW and comparing DT to it. It’s not supposed to follow EW. EW was the end of a narrative that went on for 10years. DT is a new story for the next 10 to come.

[@karenpojar2514]

I'm not comparing it to EW. I'm comparing it to ARR. And ARR wins, no contest.

[@Wingedspace22]

@@karenpojar2514 difference of opinion. It definitely does not

[@Wingedspace22]

@@karenpojar2514well that’s what your last reply said before you deleted it

[@kamitorings]

@@Wingedspace22well objectively more people dont agree with you. so it isnt just opinions now is it.

[@Wingedspace22]

@@kamitorings that’s not true at all. Of course the majority of the people on this video. I’ve seen others that don’t agree with you at all. So saying the “majority” is a gross understatement

[@TheUnrealjester]

I'll be honest almost ALL of this sounds like a you problem

[@algee6005]

lmao all the smooth brains don't understand story so must be bad XD