I Have to Pirate COLOURS Now?? - Pantone Connect + Adobe split

[@NekuZX]

I really appreciate how the question in the title is not "I have to buy colours now??", but specifically "I have to PIRATE colors now??". Implying that piracy is the default option, which im all in support of.

[@aesieaiyahcloe]

Me and my CS6 Suite.

[@H_Eli]

It is not a question, it is a threat.

[@civicrider5556]

@@aesieaiyahcloe me and my photoshop, illustrator & after effects 2021 (yes they work without the CC sub)

[@trunestor]

@danse en rouge piracy made my childhood happy

[@Mordecrox]

More like the only option sometimes. Already found logistics make it impossible to even pay Pantone. Plenty of useful software has to be sidetracked be because their payment options can't fit our bureaucratic requirements. (For some reason many companies aren't used to the concept of basic trade and force every clip purchase to jump hoops)

[@1b2m]

The thing that bothers me the most is: the customers, who paid for Adobe products with an active Pantone licence, created documents that used Pantone colours, while the colours were still licenced. Revoking the use of those colours retroactively is like extorting artists with scraping colours off their canvases if they don't pay additional fees. Mafia style. Both Pantone and Adobe have a quasi monopoly, so this move should be inspected by some antitrust/anti-monopoly authority.

[@Brawhammer]

" so this move should be inspected by some antitrust/anti-monopoly authority." Good luck with that, as an American company the EU is basically useless, and Americans are far to busy dealing with daily political drama to get anything done. All we can hope for is some younger politicians get into office and start breaking up these big tech companies.

[@nosferadu]

Great point ^

[@padraicfanning7055]

And by "some antitrust/anti-monopoly authority", we mean "the Federal Trade Commission".

[@electronresonator8882]

try that to KZbin, if you won, people will sing your hero song

[@mth0d]

@@Brawhammer How is the EU useless? They can stop adobe from being sold in the EU, making them loose like a third of their market. Look at Apple an usb-c, though we might get a no port iPhone, they obviously have power over American businesses. additionally they can penalise them.

[@Driftwood420]

You already paid for this in a sense. Shouldn't need to pay a subscription on top. Piracy is better than daylight robbery from these companies

[@t.r.2283]

From my experience apple had zero pirating protection. So it makes sense for all to go to a sub based Modell if they are on MacOS. No clue if this changed but that's my old experience. Download program from torrent page. Throw random old as key in it that millions already used. Still tada legit copy according to apple

[@kjellvb1979]

Honestly, piracy has become more ethical than dealing with these snake oil salesmen and con games these large corporations, which make 100's of billions in profits, are running on the public.

[@RadOo]

Reason why people pirate software.

[@codybishop7526]

Welcome to corporate earth, where soon, water and air will be a paid service.

[@singularityraptor4022]

@@codybishop7526 water is already a paid service

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

When Adobe pulled that whole thing with telling me I needed to pay a huge feel to cancel my Creative Cloud subscription early, I just canceled my debit card. If I couldn’t afford their monthly fee at the time, I certainly couldn’t have afforded to pay hundreds of dollars to cancel. Ridiculous. Abobe is one of the worst companies I’ve personally dealt with.

[@auxrmes]

Watching old videos but holy shit that never even crossed my mind to do. How'd that work out?

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

@@auxrmesworked out fine. I made sure I had no critical pending charges on my debit card first. Got another one in a few days. Adobe let me subscribe again later with no issues, but I but paid for a year upfront so I didn’t have to worry about the crazy cancellation fee.

[@lotarion]

​@@auxrmes They wouldn't do much of anything, aside from locking that account and all other future Adobe accounts under that email or phone number. Trying to sue would cost more than that cancellation fee, so it's simply not worth it for them

[@pedrosso0]

@@lotarion Won't the legal fees get paid if they win?

[@lotarion]

@@pedrosso0 They'd lose more money to just the lawyers than they'd gain from the individual who's being sued The case might also attract law enforcement's attention to their practices, which could end up in a disaster for Adobe

[@NightWolfx03]

I wish more people would see the dangers of using subscription services over owning a product. It's a slippery slope, and we aren't gaining any ground.

[@MushookieMan]

Suckers are everywhere are are funding our demise simply by buying in

[@willster2967]

Shout out davinci resolve for being the best alternative to premiere pro and it being a one time payment for the full version instead of a subscription. They're some real mfs for that

[@ThreeSixFive]

Rent to own or bust. That’s the way to fight back. I refuse to subscription pay for anything that I NEED for my business there will always be a free or ownable replacement

[@thefinalme]

The thing I say when my friends make fun on me for buying physical copies of movies.

[@simontay4851]

I don't ride a motor cycle but if i did there is no way i would pay a monthly fee for heated mirrors and grips. Absolutely not. Id just wire the heating element in the mirrors/grips directly to the battery via my own switch, by passing their greedy BS. Fuk you.

[@Solruc_]

Like Gaben said, to combat piracy you have to offer a better product.

[@skippykishi7851]

...at a fair price.

[@system128]

Krita

[@Ashtarte3D]

That isn't quite the quote. He said that piracy is a failure of service to the end user. Which is far more accurate. When you aren't offered to be legitimate in an area, that's a failure of service. When you rob users of functionality they formally had, that is failure of service. And when you crowd out any competition that is a failure of service.

[@meestuinier4486]

That's what Spotify did

[@ArsenGaming]

@@meestuinier4486 It certainly did not. I and many others still prefer downloading songs from KZbin and other platforms. I'm not paying some corporation to bestow upon me the gift of not having to listen to psychologically manipulative BS (ads) and have all the features I could otherwise have if I just downloaded the songs.

[@jarionscarlight]

Man we are living in a world where literal colors are being sold to us

[@SmiIeyyXD]

Laws need to be made around the world to prevent colours from being copyrighted.

[@wakipai3D]

That's been around for a while

[@burgernthemomrailer]

@@SmiIeyyXD And if certain colors are associated with a certain brand?

[@SmiIeyyXD]

@@burgernthemomrailer Doesn't matter.

[@burgernthemomrailer]

@@SmiIeyyXD Even though the exact scenario of brands copying another brand’s color schema to pass off as them have happened already?

[@Nightenstaff]

I very, *very* rarely need to use Pantone colors at work and never at home. All that said, both companies need to piss right off. I was a Pirate Captain in my youth and college days and these companies are making it all but impossible to be a legit personal consumer by pricing people out of the market with endless subscription only options. I don't fault those who take to the high seas when that's there only option and I do feel those who are able to make legit purchases should, but keep pushing and more of your customers are going to raise the sail out of frustration and contempt rather than necessity.

[@ajbrady4357]

Pantone seems like a wonderful service, to some extent, be provided by a international inter-government organization. It would allow for open standardization between end consumers and corporations big and small and save a lot of headache.

[@Red5rainbow]

can’t you accidentally use a pantone color without realizing it’s a pantone color? I know the color wheel is large but pantone colors cover a LOT of colors, I feel like you’d be bound to accidentally select one of them, especially if you’re using gradients in your art/projects

[@tzarg]

@@Red5rainbow I highly doubt it works like that, like this is already outrageous, but if THIS was true, then that would just be total insanity

[@harryhall4001]

I suspect the software uses RGB colours by default, or only uses the included pantone colours in the colour picker. Something like a gradient is almost always going to be RGB anyway as it's calculated using numerical values in binary. @@Red5rainbow

[@bluefi]

​@@Red5rainbowThat's totally the case. Phantom does not own colors. You can intentionally or unintentionally hit on a Phantone color. What Phantone is, is a company that offers color matching products. And it seems like in their opinion, color matching "services".

[@Muggy206]

A couple good Adobe Alternatives: Photoshop -> Affinity Lightroom -> Capture One Premiere -> Davinci Resolve (This is free to boot, at least for the majority of users who don't need certain features.) I'm sure there's more but that's what I'm familiar with personally.

[@talkysassis]

I would say that Lightworks is a good alternative to Premiere too. As I know, it is more used in Hollywood than Premiere.

[@LuLeBe]

After effects? That's the one I'm keeping them for. Also illustrator and InDesign. For InDesign there's Quark but unless you're a student the license is super expensive.

[@nytelife26]

@@LuLeBe there was Figma once upon a time until they sold out to Adobe. that was awful news that killed off a lot of the Figma community lmao

[@chickenfarmer321]

I can confirm, affinity is extremely useful, easier to use than adobe's stuff.

[@flopkin]

I switched to Resolve about 2 years ago from Final Cut and can confirm that once you get past the learning curve it is a phenomenal program.

[@fellow9939]

ITV: Linus tries to convince you to pirate photoshop without saying it out loud for legal reasons.

[@martinus_mars]

@@gaydonaldtrump extremely based

[@Chazbc]

@@gaydonaldtrump Not even CS6?

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

@@gaydonaldtrump gigachad

[@chambres]

what does itv stand for i couldn’t find it on google

[@KiddKat]

@@gaydonaldtrump legend

[@Beepsterr]

I Honestly love the way JetBrains handles subscriptions. When you pay for a year, you get to keep that years version of the software as a perpetual fallback license, So if you stop paying for updates you can just keep using it "as is"

[@funkemunky]

Same here!

[@davidreagan2830]

Yep.

[@rileywebb4178]

If you payed for versions 1.1-1.5 but don't want 1.6 can you go back to 1.3 instead of 1.5?

[@jamesgl]

@@rileywebb4178 yep

[@AZ-rl7pg]

That makes way more sense then what people are doing now

[@crazy_mind-ox8if]

Honestly the fact adobe makes students pay at all illustrates they're a monopoly. I'm in engineering, and all the companies give you the CAD for free, and some host competitions with cash prizes to try and gain market share. Its crazy.

[@Dollar_CoinYT]

Not that much more like a limited version (not too limited)

[@Corb.ontheCob]

The company I work for exclusively uses Illustrator and Pantone colors. We are an industrial label printing company. This has ruined our workflow for the time being. Insane.

[@garlottos]

Is there a legal route you guys can take to get back what business you've lost?

[@jdsd744]

That would mean that pantone seems liable, to me, anyway.

[@sadakotube]

can't say that companies supporting software as a service deserve it, but these companies did give all the power to pantone and adobe when they agreed that renting was a cost cutting measure without repercussions.

[@tindo]

@@sadakotube Roger that

[@justuseodysee7348]

This is what you get for subscription licence

[@SY4Artz]

There was a time where it almost looked like piracy was going to fade away. There was a short time where games, music and VOD was reasonably priced. Greed in the hope of making more money brought us back to piracy and cost the companies their success. When will they learn?

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

I don't mind, more piracy for me lol

[@Fenriswaffle]

Capital is exceedingly bad at considering the complexities of long-term concepts of good will and accessibility. And by "capital" I mean shareholders who the company has to talk to quarter-after-quarter about what money they've made, what money they spent, and how much more money they expect to make in the future. So many of these decisions come down to "how can we make even more money" because being satisfied where you are is fine if you're privately owned by someone with at least two non-greedy braincells, but is basically death to any company that is publicly traded and/or investor-owned.

[@shane250]

@@Fenriswaffle See the profits... They keep going up. This won't end, it will just become worse, and then we'll have to pay $600 for an LTT screwdriver instead of $60, because LTT needs to get that money back (and increase profits) as well. Greed used to be one of 7 deadly sins... But now, it's something people applaud you for. "Great margins" is the constant shark-tank phrase before they invest in someone.

[@Fenriswaffle]

@@shane250 For what its worth not necessarily, economics aren't as simple as number-go-up infinitely and LTT is still privately owned. There are still some conceptual limits that companies will reach if they individually try to raise prices (like ultimately...the consumer will only have so much money). It is of course still a huge problem built on top of a fundamentally unsustainable economic model, but I don't expect a $600 LTT screwdriver barring inflation.

[@shikharagrawal59]

What cost , didn't you see the chart. Adobe's profit are through the roof

[@777commune]

That's a nice color you have there. It would be a darn shame if I use the eyedropper tool in GIMP to get it.

[@nvagn]

nft colors when

[@Gatrehs]

@@nvagn You joke but this actually exists.

[@vladimirirkhin]

@@Gatrehs sigh... yet another parody of rule 34: " if it exists, there's an nft of it"

[@TheSteveSteele]

Using an eyedropper tool in any app won’t work because you can’t guarantee that what you’re seeing on your monitor is correct. That’s the whole point of physical color swatches.

[@personmcdudeguy]

Yeah, the point of PANTONE colors is that it guarantees the color on the art is the same color you will print. Without it there is a chance that monitors will display colors differently and equipment may print differently. It is important for brands to keep the same brand color across many different printings and different print shops or production lines.

[@oldplace2844]

We've actually transitioned out of pantones a while back due to Adobe's previous Pantone issue where you could get two different shades of the same Pantone. After that we switched to CMYK swatches for better reliability and consistency. Both of these companies have long lost any faith I had them.

[@rexjuggler19]

Disney also has their own branded colors outside of Pantone. The solution to this is an OpenSource color scheme. I believe it'll happen. It's just color matching.

[@xe-wf5iv]

there is already an open source color scheme... did this guy in this video forgot all color codes are just hex codes.

[@mihailmojsoski4202]

HTML/CSS codes lmao

[@wakaneut]

It's not just color matching, it's everything around it to create a convenient and more productive way to do it. You can code HTML/CSS using notepad. But there are still many paid HTML editors out there to make it more convenient and people pay for that (yes, even there are still free editors out there)

[@redstoneparadox]

@@xe-wf5iv ​ Except Pantone is for knowing what a certain color would look like printed out. Let's say you make a pattern using some random blue color; if you then print it out, it may not match what's on screen. If you were to instead use a blue from Pantone's palette, you can use the booklet to know what it looks like before printing it.

[@Volvith]

@@xe-wf5iv RBG is not a perfect representation of color, and Pantone (and other color standards) are actually a real-world reference color standardization. It's not just Hex/RGB/CMYK, it's matching it to a real world equivalent. And even that is a hell of a simplification. ... _But the subscription model can go do things i am not legally allowed to say under European law, for as far as i'm concerned._

[@naytron210]

Sign & Apparel shop designer here -- I was able to switch to Affinity Designer a couple years ago, and man am I glad now. We work with Pantones all day unfortunately, and the prospect of having to manually update every file in the archive sounds like a complete nightmare. Sadly I still need AI for a couple key features I need regularly that Designer doesn't have (shape builder, auto-trace, smooth tool, smartly-implemented pathfinder/booleans), and Serif refuse to make Android versions of their apps, so you're out of luck on tablets if you're not bought into the the Apple walled garden. I just can't believe how stupid it all is, color matching should be essentially open-source.

[@Kkubey]

The idea of colors being branded is so absurd. It is really just visible light.

[@txin999]

Serif just released version 2 of all affinity apps (Designer ver.2 has shape builder now, among other things). But yeah, it sucks that they're all only available on the ipad.

[@h42el]

ah that's nice to know. I was looking at Serif too but when I tried designer a few things about paths pissed me off immediately and I didn't check it out since.

[@larrysunshine]

Affinity 2 has shape builder and a bunch of new tools

[@lermanct4486]

@Kubey My understanding is that they don't own the colors per say, just like their code for that color. The whole point of Pantone is the physical products and the PS swatches are there to ensure a match.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

this just makes me feel even more justified in jumping ship to other programs once adobe went to a subscription model. I'm not surprised to see them start carving out and selling features like the sims

[@dudewtf1776]

doesn't it cost like $1800 to purchase the complete sims game?

[@101spacemonkey]

What do you suggest programme wise?

[@popando]

@@dudewtf1776 if you link your account for sims 4 and sims 3, you get a lamp that increases skills in-game for each pack in the sims 3. so that very large price is half just for some skill lamps lol.

[@sihamhamda47]

All we want is the free, open sourced programs that offers almost the same features as the "paid subscription hell apps" so we won't need to worry about monthly paying

[@MrComp-bw2rb]

dont use alternatives, all you need is a pirate ship

[@TheDeadmanTV]

I can definitely see why users would pirate adobe. I was saving up what little money I had when I was a student for a photoshop and Illustrator license as I was studying for an art and game design diploma. We were using CS6 at college and had just heard the announcement that CS6 would be the last version using perpetual licenses. Even the tutors were revolted as, in a time of massive budget cuts to the arts, this could be problematic for course budget, and students would have no way of completing assignments outside of classes (when your 5 hours of classes are split into 1 hour of drawing for your assignment, and 4 hours theory/storyboarding/still life etc etc, that doesn't give you a lot of time actually working on your assignment, a lot of us who couldn't afford a license from the get go already used our lunch breaks and stayed as late as we were allowed to get our assignments in on time). It got to the point the tutors were DEFINITELY NOT ENCOURAGING *wink* *wink* us to copy the CS6 install files and some dll files from the college computers and use them to crack CS6 for home use. Unfortunately I ended up dropping out and going into work full time, but when I built my PC about three years ago I wanted to get back into my drawing and editing, which I have! First thing I did was look for any program that wasn't adobe, their name still brings up bile in the back of my throat. I'm now using a host of other more pleasant applications depending on what type of project I decide to hyperfocus on and never go back to xD

[@housemouseshorts]

the problom is pirteing it is dangrous. The torrents are posioned with malware. Its the only reason i subscribed. I've had my computer wiped 2 times becouse i downloaded a posion torrent that claimed to be photoshop.

[@2hotflavored666]

@@housemouseshorts Only dangerous if you're incompetent and go to untrustworthy websites. It's not that hard.

[@gamepad3173]

so far, I've been using Adobe Audition 1.5 sure it's out of date but it gets the job done as a recording software. both 2.0 and 3.0 well sure they have more bells and whistles but at the cost of the user registering said program.

[@RangeAquarius]

only adobe software im still using is the steam version of substance painter 2023. photoshop i replaced with clip studio paint (although they swapped to a subscription model after a purchased my copy)

[@BryanLu0]

​@@housemouseshortsOnly download from sources that you are absolutely sure is trustworthy. Just do some due diligence, and you'll never get a virus

[@Ryan_Thompson]

Rather than us overselling it, I think you guys are underselling the impact. It's not *just* larger studios and companies that are deeply affected by this. Thousands of small/independent designers like me that work *for* clients like LTT are now faced with blacked out files and daily calls from clients. I've been using Pantone colors in Photoshop since they were introduced. I have swatch books, so when a regional pizza restaurant calls me and gives me a Pantone number, we both know the print shop will deliver the color they expect, and match other materials they already have. And, no, you can't just substitute a CMYK color and expect the same results, either. The color may be out of the CMYK gamut, meaning, it won't match. Pantone colors are very often used as spot colors, meaning custom ink is mixed *for that particular color, for that particular print job,* which gets you the exact color, and avoids the halftone patterns you get with CMYK process printing, so it's perfectly sharp.

[@vaportrail85]

Not to mention that it's still cheaper for old-school presses that use plates. Running 1 spot color vs. 4-CMYK is a no brainer.

[@robertt9342]

How much equivalent minutes of your labour cost is $15 per month? I think this hurts students and newcomers to the industry, along with clients, not sure what the solution for that would be.

[@nitePhyyre]

What you're missing for the oversell vs undersell is that this only affects studios that deal with physical objects. Even then, it only matters when slight color differences matter. Ie, never. The only people who are going to notice the difference between your red being 254 instead of 255 are a subset of other designers.

[@terriblecacti]

@@nitePhyyre i agree with your last point, however more often than not, a combination of different displays, printers, presses, etc can leave colors looking VASTLY different than what the artist thought during production. if things need to get recreated (in the event of a file loss, complete rehaul, or an addition to a 'collection' of items). there is no guarantee you will be able to get the colors to match. for example, i tried making matching prints that both used a fuchsia color. while they looked identical to me on my hardware, upon printing, one was noticeably much brighter than the other, even to me, a colorblind person. it just eliminates so much time and hassle hoping you got your colors right

[@vaportrail85]

@@nitePhyyre You try telling that to the election campaign that paid for Reflex Blue on their yard signs and got purple... and YES I have had to reprint because a red was too orange. It matters more than it should.

[@BwakBirb]

I wanna point out, $20 or even $15 a month for Adobe as a student still isn't dirt cheap and most of my peers decided to avoid the cost It's probably one of the most expensive subscriptions I ever had, and when I did pay for it as a student it was even then more money than I wanted to spend

[@Br3ttM]

Compared to spending $100 on a textbook for one class, one semester, that's not extreme. I do think that colleges should be forced to provide all materials needed for a class, though, because they have control over what gets used, but they don't pay for it, so there is very little incentive to keep costs down, and a significant amount of actual corruption.

[@brutus3631]

People who aren't in america are getting scalped even more. 15$ here is equivalent to 100$.

[@casedistorted]

@@Br3ttM when you are a dirt poor college student, $20 a month for software you may not even use on a daily basis is a lot of money.

[@spencerm8066]

@Br3ttM I think an instructor should have to prove that the materials required for a course will be used for at least 20% of that course.

[@mikem0ke]

@@Br3ttM i mean you at least get to keep the textbook after you use it

[@UTJK.]

I think the main problem here is they blacked out the colors in existing files. This is something for which I suppose they could be sued.

[@BasiliskX]

Yea, I work in advertising/print. So my business is essentially forced to buy this licence to continue using files for our clients. Not to mention the fact that we need a licence for each user. Adds up quickly.

[@UTJK.]

@@BasiliskX let's hope in antitrust intervention... as Linus said they are two monopolists fighting each other with disrespect to the final users.

[@SamandeepSingh]

God I wish I could be a fly on the wall for any and all of those lawsuits

[@UpstageCoronet]

@@UTJK. Anti-trust action? In this political landscape? Good luck

[@UTJK.]

@@UpstageCoronet there's not only the US antitrust. The European one is more powerful. And not only there's that of the EU Commission. There are also the national ones that are very active against monopolist companies. I think this is a tight case that will be difficult to discuss by antitrust institutions, but the hope is the last to die they say...

[@PlasmaFuzer]

Excellent points. I miss the days when you could just buy a piece of software, install it, and use it as you saw fit until YOU decided you wanted to upgrade. The reason for the software as a service model is strictly for control. They don't want to relinquish control of their software to the user because the user may do something they don't want. As you pointed out, many software producers restructured purchasing from a direct transfer into a lease. They did this so that they could retain all the rights as the true owner and can subject you to any and all of the ToS they come up with, "subject to change at lessor's discretion" (often without notice). This isn't going to stop anytime soon so the only question is, what's next?

[@ImPhoenix98]

A wise man once said "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem"

[@ultrakillmustdie]

Common GabeN W

[@DrSmoothlove]

I feel like Windows is pretty fair as a service and that was the 2nd most pirated software. My windows 7 pro license I bought over 10 years ago for $100 still applies to my now windows 11 PC

[@WrektSK]

@@DrSmoothlove That's why Gabe said "Almost". A software as popular as windows will forever be pirated in lesser developed countries for a multitude of reason. And I say that as someone who lived in a developing south asian country.

[@eduardopintojimenez2598]

I think it's both really. Those who does not have the means to buy it and want it/Need it, will find a way to get it.

[@lucamagnani5243]

@@WrektSK windows also doesnt care, these people are not their main money makers, thats why their RDM is barely there

[@CyberGenesis1]

While all this was going on, the fashion company I work for was working on volume licensing with Adobe. We had to swap from one type to another - they wanted to charge a RESTOCKING FEE for the old licenses...on cloud software.

[@LilacMonarch]

This is like when you get charged a "shipping fee" for an ebook...

[@intelchip_x86]

@@LilacMonarch more like the "fee fee" for an already existing fee

[@maj1285]

@@LilacMonarch Customs tax on something transmittable over the Internet. lol.

[@JeremyCulbreath]

In response to this, Stuart Semple has released Freetone, a Pantone-ish color palette for Adobe products. It's not piracy, but it is a way to use accurate colors for no additional cost. From what I can tell, the colors are exact matches.

[@starflame]

Surprised we didn't see them talk about Freetone here. Poor research, it's the best offer forwards.

[@darrellevans5027]

thank you for that, we now have the most colorful colors.

[@neochick]

One might argue that they are indistinguishable even

[@WillFuI]

How do onlin colors expire? Or do they just add colors just to make it obsolete

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@WillFuI That is exactly what happens, they either add a color or change the codes.

[@jsange]

We got from "water is not a basic human right" to "parts of the natural light spectrum are not basic human rights" and to be honest with you I will not cry when this planet finally dies.

[@Puddingskin01]

As a paint store worker, when I see someone ask for a Pantone color, I weep.

[@simonthibodeau7082]

I can relate! We even stopped scanning their chips for color matches because a lot of their colors are simply too hard to reproduce, and/or customers who bring their chips usually have the expectation that you can get 100% color accurate match on their colors (since they are the "golden standard"), which is impossible with scanners. We have to scan them because their colors are a closed book, but scanners kinda suck, especially with ink on paper which isn't a solid color. We have a scanner and use it for color match in many scenarios, but we straight up had to implement a no-pantone policy because of so many wasted gallons and unsatisfied customers. I totally agree this kind of thing should be open source. If they have the tech to create these fancy inks and plastic chips, all the better to them, people will buy them for that. But gatekeeping the actual colors is a sure way for people to avoid Pantone entirely as soon as there'll be an alternative some day. This is so ridiculous. Like honestly, why couldn't paint stores have access to the actual colors to make our own recipes for free? The customers will still buy their fancy chips to verify the color match. If we had an open source catalog of colors, everyone could use them and companies like Pantone would still have their place in the market to make sure those colors end up right on prints or materials. Hell even we (paint stores) would buy their expensive chips to add to our books if that was the case. Overall Pantone wants nothing to do with paint it seems. I know it pisses off a lot of interior designers. I've had so many angry customers come in with their fancy chips and yell at me because I don't have their colors which are supposedly the "end all be all, golden standard" of anything that is colored. Hey man, it's not on us, it's shitty Pantone that's the problem here!

[@AmauryJacquot]

@@simonthibodeau7082 the local paint shop has a color book of their own. I've seen a dude coming with a pantone chip, store attendant told the person to find whatever he wants in the book

[@simonthibodeau7082]

@@AmauryJacquot yeah, this is exactly what we ended up telling people: find a matching color either in some other brand's chip on the wall or from some of our books. Most customers were okay with it but some people wanted exactly the color on their chip. I guess not just Pantone is at fault with paint colors as it's probably easier and more in the paint company's interest to just make their own. Also a lot of colors in the Pantone catalog (there is a buttload of them!) Are just hard to reproduce with paint pigment and we developed with inks in mind. Some bright colors just are very hard to translate to paint with the typical pigments paint stores carry. Often, matching the Pantone color to a specific chip from one of our books yielded better results than scanning, as long as it wasn't too fancy of a color. Also clients then knew exactly what to expect from the paint as it would be the exact same as the matching physical chip they picked from our books. With scanning it's often hit or miss, and if it missed often the client ends up not buying the gallon which then has to be liquidated. Scanning inks on printed paper is often more of a miss compared to a solid color too. It would make life easier for a lot of people if at least some of those colors (the ones that do translate well into paint) could just be made into something the machine can easily craft a recipe for. After all we can already make X brand's color in Y brand's paint.

[@newthian1783]

@@simonthibodeau7082 can you explain to me (eli5) how these work? pantone, paint, "chips", reproduce, etc. bcs in my place, i only ever bought default paint or whatever the building material store offer in their book

[@richardprice5978]

are pantone part or long-term partners of PPG in the usa 🇺🇸 1960's company's or Kodak?

[@SanderEvers]

I can highly recommend the Affinity suite. It's a lot more affordable and just as capable as Photoshop + Illustrator. Also no monthly fees, and a purchase price that's lower than 3 months of the entire Creative Suite. Sure, you have to pay for every major release. But those last for years. And you can keep using the older version as well.

[@iggysixx]

Affinity is dope. Very feature-rich - nearly identical experience, last time I used both. Also very good mobile / desktop workflow

[@angryuser0]

If you have Adobe files, can you transition those into Affinity without too many problems?

[@tonster_9752]

Ive been using Affinity Designer for 4 years, now being forced off though so I can get into the industry right out of college. Affinity Designer is really intuitive and also can function like photoshop + indesign + illustrator.

[@tugten]

@@drgrandmaster3786 the new version (v2) that just got released has non-destructive raw editing

[@BeckyAnn6879]

@@angryuser0 Yes, and no. Photoshop files will open, text is editable, but Photoshop actions are a bit glitchy. I downloaded a 'Rainbow Glow' text action and maybe it was 'Stupid User Error,' but I couldn't get the action to work in Affinity Photo.

[@kmysamaXX]

Actually, I just realized a couple weeks ago that Adobe Acrobat Reader now doesn't allow free users to rotate sheets in PDFs. I laughed so hard that something as simple was placed behind a paywall.

[@brianbarker2551]

at least it's an open standard now so you can just find a program that does it for free.

[@siggyincr7447]

No reason to use Adobe for reading or even editing PDFs. Cloud-based software is horrible and I refuse to support it.

And I realized last week that not even Bookmarks can be created anymore...disgusting

[@xSP3CTREx]

Edge is much better now. You can use Whiteboard mode to even do Acrobat functions, it has all of the paywalled features too and built-in to your Windows by default. End Adobe.

[@everythingpony]

I can rotate just finr

[@Klokopf52]

My Sister is a Illustrator and she does print stuff occasionally. As far as i know she use the coral suite. Apparently they are nicer for digital Artwork and have some sort of color space control that you can submit to your printing company.

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

If I were to bet, the next thing to be paywalled will be the 'AI' features. Content-Aware fill, spot removal tools, cloner, background erase, object selection etc. It's the new hot thing and they're pushing it hard in their advertising if you look carefully. This Pantone debacle really has fu**ed with our business as well. I'm a Designer at an exhibition & events company, so we work with different materials and media all the time in print. Load up my galleon, the high seas await...

[@aoitamashii]

Except that's not a real alternative for professional work. If you ever get audited and they find it licensed to xX_LeetD@wg_Xx instead of ColorPros LLC then clients will raise an eyebrow or Adobe will come after you.

[@joe579003]

*Gangplank galleon intensifies*

[@rc2k524]

oh boy we are going to sail in a tsunami in the coming years

[@whytho1690]

@@UniversalStandard Oi, you and Albert, STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS

[@Matt-bp5vy]

@@UniversalStandard I thought you already had to pay to be born in the US

[@WoodImp]

For 6 years I worked in the studio at the UK's largest merchandise printing facility, which processed easily 150+ orders every day. To think they now have over a quarter of a million print files locked behind Pantones ransom curls my toes. The increase in monthly cost for the business with it's many, many, work stations must be astronomical

[@robertt9342]

These are the same people that pay thousands for computer equipment saying it’s nothing given the benefit to their workflow?… those companies? It’s like the equivalent to 15 minutes of work per month per license.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

Business costs are customer costs. No company can "absorb" costs in the long term.

[@fennecfoxfanatic]

@@robertt9342 found the pantone representative!

[@electronresonator8882]

whoa UK's largest merchandise printing facility can't pay adobe's money...you should tell your customers about it

[@ravewulf]

Stuart Semple created FREETONE as a free alternative that's supposed to be "indistinguishable" from Pantone colors. It's worth exploring to see how accurate they are

[@tw751]

*Tap tap tap tap* Write that down, write that down!

[@RonnocFroop]

I hadn't heard about that before, but of course he is. The man's legendary for giving so much control back to regular artists.

[@yourhandlehere1]

"accurate" in what way? Matching Pantone? Pantone gave numbers to a gradient...you don't need to match what they did, colors are infinite.

[@Rookie_One]

@@RonnocFroop And go out of his way to annoy colour thiefs (See Anish Kapoor)

[@agentcrm]

@@yourhandlehere1 Go back in the video and listen to what Linus said about the use case. Accuracy matters when you're a company getting products made my multiple suppliers.

[@Michael18751]

to me, a perpetual license is software that is stored on non-erasable physical media and does not require an internet in order to function from the initial version included on the media while you are able to archive update data.

[@dacid44]

As far as I can tell, JetBrains actually has a pretty good model with their "perpetual fallback license": their products are a subscription service, but as soon as you pay for a year past a version of a product, you get a perpetual license for that version (not getting updates, as expected, unless you keep paying, and the version you have a license for will keep getting updated, 12 months behind the subscription payments.)

[@ascent817]

I agree

[@ScribeAwoken]

Bitwig Studio has another similar alternative. It's available on a rent-to-own basis where you can pay $16/mo for 25 months, during which period you'll receive any major upgrades that get released at no additional cost. Once that 25 months is over, you get a perpetual license for the latest major release.

[@pinakadhara7650]

Yeah, I find this most balanced.

[@kjcomputer]

This is the license that I respect

[@dIancaster]

JetBrains truly cares about you as a person. This is their philosophy. I appreciate them.

[@senacht]

Pantone held a monopoly because they were convenient and, until recently, affordable. But with this recent move they’ve now created interest in alternatives and opened the door to competition. And that competition will be greeted with open arms by the graphics community. So it’s only a matter of time before Pantone blinks or an alternative emerges.

[@RhizometricReality]

Pantone should be destroyed. Their executives should be nullified.

[@quintoblanco8746]

You think Pantone was affordable? And you think an alternative will magically appear? I have a bridge to sell you...

[@RhizometricReality]

@@quintoblanco8746 or an nft of the bridge lol

[@yeahgirl11]

@@quintoblanco8746 What did Pantone do that was SO SPECIAL and unique that they feel that they have the right charge people for colors? I seriously don't know; all I know is that they make colors lol

[@dierdred_the_gray]

@@yeahgirl11 while not defending them, they arent charging for the colors, theyre charging for access to the system that they have coded those colors to, which allows printers and designers to communicate what exact colors are needed where and when.

[@iBrendanWhite]

I'm moving my studio to Affinity specifically because of this. And you know what? The more I use Affinity, the more I find myself choosing Affinity over adobe. The only barrier here is open file sharing with other Adobe users.

[@microtasker]

The workaround is just literally saving to a google drive or other cloud storage.

[@claytonlind2996]

Amen. I love affinity and switched my video workflow to Da Vinci resolve as well. Adobe as a company just straight up sucks in my opinion

[@baconwizard]

By the way, you can export files from Affinity as .psd files so all the layers are preserved - meaning there should be no compatibility issues. This is also true for Procreate

[@nanoprehistoric]

I have all three Affinity software and I can say that it’s more than enough for personal work. And the integration between three apps is terrific!

[@RobbieRobski]

I made the switch a few years ago. I can see how the switch will be harder for some. But for me (basic brochure design and web call outs) it was pretty painless. And I've saved thousands of dollars in the process.

[@deutschthomas2751]

Pantone exists because we have two ways to show colours(you may have learnt that on arts or physics class at school): additive colouring(mix all 3 basic colours you will get white, used for screen etc.) and subtractive colouring(mix all 3 basic colours you will get black, used for paints etc.) and therfore we can't unify the different ways of physical representations of colours, and Pantone plays as a translator between them (No one can declare that he owns a natural language but everyone agree that the translators have right to ask for payment)

[@Enrique-Garcia]

On the topic of "what else can Adobe take away unilaterally": they killed any installations of CS6 programs and older. Yes, the ones we had bought out-right on CD or DVD and installed into our computers, they no longer work because the authentication servers that were called by the software were shut down by Adobe.

[@ThunderClawShocktrix]

well then you have only one answer use the pirate version

[@creamsiclecat]

That happened to me. Its one of the reason I've quit photoshop

[@Enrique-Garcia]

@@creamsiclecat I intended to do the same but looked for Photoshop and Illustrator alternatives and couldn't find any that I liked that didn't require me to change the way I operated or that were 100% compatible with my existing files (I use them daily for work so can't really spare the time to learn new programs)

[@casedistorted]

That is why i won't use Adobe, simply for those stupid authentication servers.

[@kbhasi]

That somehow hurt me, but only because I remembered reading a social media post from a book illustrator who illustrates traditionally but uses (or used) Photoshop CS6 to clean up and colour her illustrations.

[@farmingpotato3372]

15 dollars a month for colors is insane.

[@sanguine.dreams]

Next up: $3 a month for special characters.

[@Bukki13]

They’re asking for piracy at this point

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

Welp, looks like whenever I've used a color picker I've been committing a crime

[@henrix210]

@@sanguine.dreams Well there is already paid fonts lol

[@snickerdoooodle]

@@henrix210 I mean, at least with a paid font I'm paying for their artistic work. Pantone is just "hey we have a list of digital colors"

[@St4rTr3v1Ut10n]

Fun Fact: Since 2000, Pantone has selected "Color of the Year." For 2020 it was "Classic Blue," and for 2021 it was "Ultimate Gray." So very on brand.

[@hubertnnn]

So color of the year 2022 would be "Deleted Black"

[@shsz1984]

@@hubertnnnHa! Bravo!! That was a good one. xD

[@microtasker]

Lol, a veritable Pantone Civil War.

[@SaneAsylum]

Did nobody notice he used the 2022 color of the year for his background? Very Peri?

[@Ragnark1]

2023, "Atomic Explosion Yellow"

[@Lanka0Kera]

Stupidest thing I learnt in design school was that Pantone chooses trend colors - sometimes over year in advance, so they can sell the books to designers. So much for a trend..

[@THEHOTING]

This has to change. I lost my job during Covid and in order to apply for new positions, you would be given a task during your interview phase, which requires one to use Adobe. Now I cannot afford a 600 dollar Programm, that would be almost a months salary just in order to get a paid job again. Kudos for Linus for being so honest and upfront and telling facts. Just wish we as users would just unite and get away from these monopolies and companies bleeding us dry, while we are left with barely enough to survive

[@syd5380]

I wonder if there could ever be a union set up like SAG for folks in other creative industries. Everyone unifying to fight back against the companies holding their jobs hostage is really the only hope

[@unrealed]

You should buy 2 sets of the same pantone colors and test them after 18 months. Use one regularly and seal the other away in an airtight box in the dark, and then reopen it 18 months later to compare (and make it a video)

[@BDRmongoose]

add a third one for comparison; a brand new one

[@eeelbs]

Nice idea but sadly with pricing I doubt anyone would foot the bill for this experiment.

[@Postman00]

@@eeelbs For Linus, it would be interesting content and cost of doing business. Besides, they might want to follow Pantone's guidelines and buy a new set the following year anyway, since the bulk of their business is creating merch that has tight quality and consistency control in terms of colours.

[@edwardallenthree]

Stability of each one will depend on a number of factors, including whether or not you are using coated versions, how much sunlight they are exposed to, how much use, whether it is used as a figit toy, etc.

[@rkan2]

Not airtight, more like oxygen and humidity free :P Nitrogen filled bag :P

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

I'm in university for Design and the program forces you to buy adobe suite (for the student price) but I think it's crazy that there is no alternative and schools are forced to force you into using their products. Adobe has one hell of a marketing team. A good way I saw someone put it "people use to use Adobe because they wanted too. Now it's because we have too"

[@21lizra]

Also a design student. They may teach you in adobe, but that doesn't force you to use or purchase it. Are they checking your receipts at the door? I've done a ton of projects in my software of choice (just changing the file type and checking for inconsistencies when handing it in), and never paid a cent to adobe. I used pirated software on my laptop in class. No one has ever questioned it or cared (mostly because you can't spot a pirated copy over a legit one) and I've even had profs allude to piracy as an option. Obviously their business model is garbage and they are the industry standard, which will funnel people toward it, but we can't act like we actually don't have a choice.

[@fundoo203]

Why is your school boy providing you a license? My school provides the license for almost every software we use

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

@@21lizra they check to make sure you have the subscription and use those programs specifically in class. One student tried to use a substitute I don't know what it was but was immediately told they had to get Adobe suite. Plus in my program they check all the save files and metadata.

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

@@fundoo203 they kind of do. They allow you access to the student discount which is an extreme discount, but no I don't get any adobe products for free from school at all. I wish lol

[@anastachios]

I hate adobe so much. It's always been overpriced, and now being a subscription it's worse. I use PaintTool Sai and it's never let me down.

[@hugoedelarosa]

I am an architectural designer and use GIMP at work. Once the developer team adds more nondestructive editing features most people should be able to drop PS for good. That’s coming in edition 3.2.

[@codenate02]

Master of pettiness Stuart Semple has released a pack of colors that anybody except Adobe and Pantone can use that are apparently "very Pantone-ish". Can't say I understand completely how color matching and color books and all work, I'd be curious if it's a viable replacement or not.

[@Hvantmiki]

Stuart Semple is pretty great and the pigments and paints he sells is very good

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

'Master of Pettiness' 😂 I actually commend the dude for doing what he does when it comes to people trying to block art and artists from just creating. I still want to try his Blackest Black and Whitest White but am at a block on what exactly to make.

[@peachymunmagenta]

I just wish he didn’t do nfts :/

[@Hvantmiki]

@@peachymunmagenta NFTs are great

[@TalosAcephalos]

@@Hvantmiki hey guys lets point and laugh at the weird NFT guy!

[@LuYunong]

These large software companies need to be taken to court for its monopoly.

[@emiloguechoons9030]

It's capitalism baby, monopolies aren't a bug, they're a feature.

[@bv4e858]

@Emilogue Choons Yeah, until people finally have enough and rebel. I think everything's great in moderation. Have too many monopolies, and it's like the government is playing a SIM game. It's ridiculous. We're just money farms for them.

[@MadocComadrin]

@@emiloguechoons9030 Except that they are in essence a bug that arises due to practical issues, and any real capitalist doesn't want monopolies.

[@marianolaguzzi]

As much as I hate large software companies like adobe, it's not like they can be taken to court. What they do is completely legitimate from a technical point of view, then it's totally unfair to anyone, but courts consider legitimacy, not fairness

[@bv4e858]

@Mariano Laguzzi They should consider both. In that sense, you could almost legitimize anything. It's creating a lot of room for gray area. For example, Facebook is trying to own all the social media platforms so it can profit off of all of them. No matter how much they try to sugarcoat it with legal documents, in the end, it's still a monopoly that has already been banned. Now I know it's not technically a complete monopoly, but since when are there half-assed definitions? If it's almost a monopoly, it should be considered a monopoly in progress and should be investigated federally. If you want to go the route of half-assed definitions, I could argue that you're not a murder if you only killed once, extreme, I know, but hear me out. What if it was justified? Or technically legal? In the end, you still killed someone. A homicide is still a homicide in the end. I could do many more examples, but I kept it extreme. so it's easy to understand.

[@clee027]

1 Year Later: Linus announces his own color matching enterprise.

[@storczykorg]

At some point it could be cheaper to make own color matching system than subscribe to existing one

[@Thribbulous]

LTT RBG LTD

[@theterminaldave]

LinusTone™

[@robertomacetti7069]

@@theterminaldave linus toner tips sounds better imho

[@SpeezyOTB]

This is Linus in a nutshell. Since they’re fucking up, let me do it right.

[@MountainWo1f]

As someone who has never payed a dollar to either of theses companies I'm mad.

[@Jollyroger84103]

"Hoist the colors," has a new meaning

[@colmustard5683]

I believe that's "Heist"

[@economicalgamer8187]

Underrated comment

[@mfaizsyahmi]

Ahoy!

[@samuraiartguy]

ARRRRRRRR!!!

[@michaelkhoury5231]

Just one of many reasons why "cloud" software is a terrible idea; I'm sticking with CS6 forever, I refuse to use any desktop software that requires automatic updates or an internet connection.

[@0hffs]

Oh, you must have not met Affinity yet

[@ismaeltorres3219]

Exactly. I don't mind subscription based services on software but as that being the only way to access the software is fucking stupid. I still rock with an old version of Adobe Photoshop that I've had since my windows XP days when I just need to use something familiar.

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

FTW

[@QualityDoggo]

Affinity Photo my beloved. Pay for major upgrades if you want, or don't! They've only had one so far!

[@Zarrx]

" or an internet connection." The most important note of your sentence, enjoy an old OS and old Software but you can only enjoy it responsibly if the machine is not internet connected.

[@dragen000]

Students also have to absorb the additional cost of this change. Last term I took a class requiring adobe cloud and pantone color usage. I would have had to pay for the additional pantone to do a gradable portion of the class. Pantone color values were very important.

[@Liggliluff]

(5:10) Colour is the core of Adobe? Yet they fail with the most basic screen calibration settings by applying it to the document rather than just displaying the colour correctly. As in, if you want pure white, Photoshop will shift this colour of your document so it's pure white on your screen, but not in the document. But then it will be wrong for everyone else.

[@One_Bar]

The books aren’t outdated. They’ve always been a money making scheme. When I was doing graphic design, we were using swatch books from literally 1995 to color match. They were faded a little but it doesn’t matter as much as you’d think and the books have the CMYK mixture printed on them. Which means you can make custom spot colors in Adobe to use in place of Pantone swatches.

[@edwardallenthree]

Me too, but the ones from 1995 were new.

[@Fabian3331234333]

Yeah but the points about these books are that the colors in them aren't faded at all. True color is here the selling point and why you should exchange it every 12 months when you have to do color critical work

[@gogoftw]

im fairly sure the requirement to replace them every 12 to 18 months is just a fail safe because people are idiots and would totally not store those properly

[@Ormathon]

@@gogoftw And a easy way to avoid getting sued, since well .. MURICA. So they have to say a timelimit to avoid some derp that has had those things in a drawer for years sue them because colors dont match after printing.

[@minartson]

@@Fabian3331234333 Depends how color critical your work is, I work in graphics design and printing. When I am choosing colors, I use a color swatches from early 2000s and never had a problem , for over a decade.

[@TJ-vh2ps]

“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter the it any further.” This is a perfect opportunity for an open source color matching standard. Is anyone aware of any projects to do that? Also, thanks for referring to us as “customers” and not “consumers”. Words have meaning and the words we use influence the way we conceive of the world.

[@Gabifuertes]

Imagine if people paying for the creative suite put half the money of their subscriptions on gimp...

[@Fractal_32]

@@Gabifuertes or krita

[@paulskalla6845]

Well there is the somewhat lesser known Munsell System, also with expensive books. I'm not sure it's as tied into printing as Pantone is.

[@fredericapanon207]

@TJ, there is also the German RAL swatch system which is by a non-profit company. It is not free, but its swatch books are much more reasonably priced than Pantone's. They are widely used in Europe.

[@huwday1131]

I already switched to Affinity. My main beef was down to how agressive Adobe had made their software. I bought a license for Photoshop, but I'm in a fairly rural area with an approx 2Mbps. Adobe's various downloaders completely swamped my connection, to the point where browsers would just time out loading a simple web site. And, after a certain time, Adobe's installer would give up and insist on trying again from the start. After spending the better part of a day trying to get in contact with their customer services, their response was "try getting a better internet connection". Oh gee, why didn't I think of that. I eventually found an offline installer that I could download elsewhere, then bring home via USB. Once installed, Adobe's updaters continued to swamp my internet connection at irregular intervals. You can't turn the software off - it continues to run tasks in the background that in turn will check back in and update. For all that photoshop is a good tool to use, the various ways that Adobe chose to operate it made having it more of a liability than not, and I was paying for the privilege. So I went to Affinity. Not sorry.

[@Aeroxima]

Microsoft did something similar. Visual studio would bring my computer to a near halt, even after closing it, because of all kinds of weird windows-integrated background downloading or something. It's because my SSD was old and slow, but nothing else did that unless installing something large (I guess when the cache ran out). I "fixed" it by blocking their stuff with firewalls, and the computer ran fine again. Even with a new SSD, I'd rather they not just destroy my drive with irresponsible writes.

[@casedistorted]

Is Affinity worth the $99 price right now? I may buy it out of principle because I have never wanted to install Adobe simply because their programs are always running in the background and I HATE that.

[@discipledylan]

@@casedistortedYes! It is so much more intuitive, fast, and streamlined. It makes Adobe look like a joke. You’ll thank me later!

[@martijntange5779]

So I paid more than € 300,- for the physical sample set last year. Which I get because every colour is unique so printing it is a bit of a job (except the sloppy quality paper they use to print it on). But what I'm absolutely mad about is that buying the physical colour books doesn't give you access to the digital colour set. This is just robbery. Very good point in the video about the fact you're not really in control of your own artworks anymore using subscription based software.

[@3dchick]

So glad you mentioned Affinity. They just released V2 of all apps, and you can get them all for ridiculous cheap right now. V1 got lots of support and upgrades, and I've had mine for like 8 years. Can't recommend it enough.

[@marydotjpeg]

What's Affinity like? I use procreate on my ipad to create my illustrations but when I need to print/graphics for my etsy shop ive always used PS and when I went to college for graphic design adobe was hailed as the hail marry of graphic design software and the industry standard. Shouldn't be an issue if i'm working for myself. I'm real tired of pirating PS and now this whole pantone debacle? smh

[@3dchick]

@@marydotjpeg I think it's more user friendly than PS, and haven't found anything yet I can't do, either on the ipad or computer. Things are arranged differently for sure but I haven't found any missing functions, and it's very customizable.

[@casedistorted]

@@3dchick I see that affinity universal license is $99 at 40% off right now

[@3dchick]

@@casedistorted Yeah! It's a fantastic deal!

[@Abdullah_the_Palestinian]

I used to use affinity but switched to photoshop. There are barley to no tutorials or courses on affinity whereas photoshop has tons and you instantly find the solution to whatever problem you where looking for.

[@isaacsteen4828]

I'm so happy I learned on Krita, a free open-source PS alternative built for digital painting. They'd never pull something like this, not with all the effort they've already poured into making some of the best free software on the market.

[@xonor13]

That's because it's open source, built by people who actually care about the people using their software, instead of developing everything for a profit

[@Mr.Sozzled]

Krita isn’t industry standard or even close to industry standard and anyone outside of creative hobbiest really can’t use Krita for projects. It is a nice software, just not really an alternative to any Adobe products.

[@Yolwoocle]

The biggest shame is that Krita is not anywhere close as good as industry standard. Sadly, no software in the digital art scene is close to, say, how good Blender is in the 3D scene.

[@paegr]

@@Mr.Sozzled perhaps because Adobe executives are the ones who decide what the industry standard is?

[@zaidaliahmed7869]

@@Mr.Sozzled it's prob not industry standard, but i don't really agree with "anyone outside of creative hobbiest can't use krita for projects" you seem to be thinking of a very specific group of creatives. I'm sure there are creatives that are using it professionally, especially in combination with something like blender.

[@MiD218]

I'm so glad my teacher back in 2015 said very explicit NOT to use a patcher for CC and showed us where to find the patcher so we could avoid it at all costs. I also definitely do NOT use it to this day for all of the CC apps of Adobe including updated variants. (I don't use professionally anyways)

[@stefanxcz]

Lmao

[@Johnyknowhow]

Do NOT search that term and click that link! If you do, you could find yourself in a situation were you AREN'T being taken advantage of by a multi-billion dollar software company, and that would be HORRIBLE! That is why I implore you to absolutely do not go here and follow these steps! Oh the humanity...

[@mavinicesumaljag2023]

C4-C6 adobe works just fine for most purposes. Unless you are a professional designer who needs to speed up or get more options for editing, then newer version will marginally increase your productivity.

[@watynecc3309]

I use Krita it's way better

[@HE911_]

Did you see Adobe in the last 30 days release that update that checks for older versions of 'potential' vulnerable software... LMAO get out of here adobe... Glad I got my hands on CS 6 before Adobe CC even had a chance to grow.

[@thewitchbasket]

This is what makes me grateful I dropped Photoshop for Clip Studio Paint. I’m not a designer and I only ever used photoshop because my university told me I needed to. What a lie that was…

[@little-wytch]

I actually do use Gimp as well as Darktable for my photography because as soon as Adobe went cloud based, I told them to shove their subscription bullcrap until it tickled their tonsils. FOSS (and OSH too really) are the way of the future. This might be a fun project to try, like the month-long linux challenge, but maybe instead have whomever performs the FOSS challenge be someone that already knows and loves the software, to show what it's capable of for someone already thru the learning curve. That would really be the only way to properly compare, as most of y'all are already thru the CS/CC learning curve, prolly about a decade ago lol.

[@sonictailsandsally]

Have you tried Blender’s compositing tab for your photography?

[@Shinyworldwide]

what's FOSS and OSH?

[@MatheusKlSch]

@@Shinyworldwide FOSS = Free (as in freedom) and Open Source Software OSH = open source hardware

[@koma-k]

I'm still on the last perpetually-licensed version of Lightroom (Lr6), as I don't consider software subscriptions "palatable" when ending the subscription means losing access to your own work (Lr just goes into read-only mode I think, but still a hard pass for me). I'll keep using Lr6 until it no longer does the job I need it to. I've checked out the alternatives a couple of times, but last time I looked none ticked all the right boxes for me, the two most important being non-destructive editing and decent tag management. IIRC when they started down the subscription path, going for the Lr subscription was cheaper than keeping up with perpetual-license upgrades, but it looks like this is no longer the case, I guess in large part because you have to have 1TB cloud storage included in the plan.

[@aoitamashii]

That works for basic usage, but anyone that makes use of more advanced tools like the content-aware fill and other AI ones can't do that with Gimp. And as those tools get better and better, it means more and more extra time to do the same work manually instead of automagically.

[@HotShotMechPilot]

An openly licensed (read free) library of color palettes, defined for use across different materials has to start its development somewhere.

[@tuanseattle]

Problem is it is physical color, not digital. So a book would still be made

[@HotShotMechPilot]

@@tuanseattle Right. A proof of the book could be made and once verified for accuracy the requirements to produce it could be shared freely (required paper stock, sheen, printer(s) needed, inks, other settings). Also, once verified the color map of hexadecimal values to names would easily be shareable as a color library for use in design software. Producing the prototype would obviously incur cost to whoever does it, so a funding campaign would be ideal. (Repeat the proof creation process as needed to account for color fade over time.)

[@j_lsw]

@@HotShotMechPilot I think it would be difficult to get the same consistency of colour compared to an expensive central authority. There's a chicken and egg problem with calibrating everything you've mentioned, isn't there? Maybe it could be done somehow with very robust physical references.

[@HotShotMechPilot]

@@j_lsw at the least it would be nice to have another viable option, some competition as it were.

[@royce9018]

@@HotShotMechPilot the process you are describing is the entire problem Pantone exists to solve, lol. Basically you're requesting someone create a freeware version of a company that generates 18 million a year.

[@bioluminosity]

thank you for covering this. I'm in a rock and a hard place paying adobe for CC for "class", and even with a student discount and multiple plan options, it's kind of ridiculous. i knew what day was my last to cancel CC earlier this year, so i knew that was my deadline to drop a class in january. I ended up needing to drop it for my health, but surprise surprise, adobe ACTUALLY meant the day BEFORE the date they gave me! so I got stuck with the annual commitment anyway because they deliberately miscommunicated the free cancellation deadline! i ended up actually 'needing' it this semester, but I am staring at that expiration date with glee.

[@bagelbagelwah5047]

Honestly, the fact that Adobe is the "industry standard" was one of the major factors that drove me out continuing to pursue a digital media degree. Maybe I'm overly stubborn, but once Adobe switched to subscription-only models, I felt extremely sour at the thought of even going down that path. I don't want to create a bunch of project files only to be unable to open them once my subscription expires. I don't want the sense of insecurity that comes with using a software I'm being charged for (and a ridiculous price at that, in the long-term). I don't want to deal with the hassle of cancelling the software and calling Adobe to do so. I don't want to learn to use a software that I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to afford outside of perhaps a work setting. I don't like how Adobe seems to treat its customers. I don't like any of it.

[@SaintMatthieuSimard]

That's a grave issue where what you create is YOURS. They can't just spy on your work, nerf it on the fly, and steal from it to resell between business partners like this. If that's what they're heading toward, then any artist should just stop creating anything at all unless offline.

[@GereldTheCat]

Affinity is super underrated. I switched over from Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator to Affinity Photo and Design a year ago, and the cost to productivity ratio is miles better than Adobe's asking price. While I still think the Adobe apps have a slight edge in terms of features, the Affinity apps perform just as well and can save you a ton of money in the long run (there's even some features that Affinity has that I would argue is better than Adobe).

[@melbaylon]

Started to the same in 2016. Also just purchase a unified license for their v2. Not for someone who requires the full Adobe stack but for graphic design-centric work that I do, it totally satisfies my needs. 😁

[@TexRobNC]

Ok, never even heard of it, gonna have to check it out. I was just about to do CS using my wife's edu address, because I've been trying to design packaging without illustrator and it has sucked.

[@Revenant483]

@@TexRobNC Affinitys Universal License covers 3 programs at the price of 2 payments to Adobes Anti-consumer price model. 99$ USD And you can use the apps on Windows, Mac, and IPad. I have been using their software for years and the workflow gets better every update. There are a ton of free tutorials on KZbin to get familiar with the apps.

[@jondonnelly3]

I tried to argue the case for using Affinity for running a College Photo editing course, I got laughed at.

[@jondonnelly3]

I tried to argue the case for using Affinity for running a College Photo editing course, I got laughed at.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Sometimes, Piracy should be consider as a duty, given the permanent scams these companies are selling.

[@RhizometricReality]

These corporations need to be destroyed

[@Fireberries]

@@singular9 What Friday said still holds up. That still sounds like a scam to me

[@FauxFemale]

It is always morally correct to pirate from any sizeable corporation imo. The only people who deserve money are small teams and indie developers.

[@RannonSi]

@@FauxFemale I think you forgot the /s ;) To give it a serious answer, though. I disagree. It's not the size of the company, but rather the size combined with how they treat their customers. If they, like Adobe, are large (or pretty much the only alternative) in the area, and they treat their customers with contempt, sure. But if they treat their customers with respect, the size isn't an excusable argument, in itself.

[@Nemesis-pe7mw]

@@RannonSi A company doesn't get that large without falling in that category though. If you disagree I'd like to hear an example.

[@SmartLifeEnthusiast]

Without watching the video: No, you don't really NEED to have the Pantone palette in Photoshop. Especially if you only design for the web. Pantone is a naming system for colours in which a name matches a very specific colour, regardless of the material (e.g. print vs paint). It's also used across the world, so you can colaborate with a manufacturer at the other side of the globe and trust the product will have the correct colour. They spend loads of money on producing the colour sample cards with the exact colour, so e.g. the printing office can confirm their printer is printing the correct colour. It may be nice to see the same colour on your screen (on the condition that your monitor is colour-calibrated!) but as far as your print job goes, you could colour something pink in your design, mail that to the printing office, and have the legend mention "pink == pantone 2728 C" The colours are still there. Nobody is preventing you from using them. You just can't say "The cape of the superhero figure I drew has the colour 'Pantone XYZ'" as that is copyrighted. You CAN still say: when digitally drawing this figure, use #aabbcc to color the cape. However, if you decide to print your design in e.g. a comic book, using the RGB HEX value, you can't be 100% certain that 2 print houses will deliver the same output. Let alone that a plastic figurine will have the exact same colour as the printed result.

[@chistinelane]

None of this excuses copyrighting color. Something default to the human, and even animal, experience. It's a crime against humanity as much as selling stealing and selling air would be

[@SmartLifeEnthusiast]

@@chistinelane Nobody's copyrighting colours. Pantone and RAL are _systems_ that define how to combine certain pigments in different paints for different materials as to achieve the same visual colour across those items, categorized through copyrighted names. Using the system, you know for a fact that the blue on your monitor will match the blue on your end-product and that the blue on the metal and plastic parts will have the same look. And through the system, you have a way to tell your manufacturer how that blue should look like (by passing its name or colour no.). Nobody's preventing you to come up with your own system to share your digital models with your manufacturer in a way that you both have a clear view on what the end product should look like.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

I applaud the many developers who did not follow Adobe's path and still release versions each year with a discount to upgrade to the latest version whenever that's out.

[@SwervingLemon]

Lightburn comes to mind. They're kick-ass!

[@TapTapClick]

@@SwervingLemon Vegas Pro is the same. They do have a subscription option too but you can always just buy what ever the current version of it is. Finally upgraded from Vegas pro 14 to 19 but can still use that old license.

[@FluffyPuppyKasey]

I use Ableton Live. They let people upgrade for free for a limited time (usually around a month I believe)

[@meriwoo7382]

Fl Studio has free updates for life

[@electronresonator8882]

it's not about they can't or won't, but more like "I'm not a monopoly yet"...let them taste Adobe's throne for a while, and see their "TrueTone"

[@adamgarlow5347]

You guys should follow up with a Photoshop alternative round up. The LTT creatives could do a pro con list and rank the programs. It would also be nice if the alternatives were free or at least one time payment lifetime ownership

[@Mediaright]

Many others have. If you want... whatever the frick GIMP is, get that. Krita is open-source too. Affinity seems to be the best comparable match to Adobe that has a nominal cost but also a UI that isn't engineer-centric.

[@adamgarlow5347]

@@Mediaright Yeah after checking out Affinity I've decided to try that. The one time I tried GIMP on linux it wasn't a good experience and Affinity looks to have what I want as a casual user.

[@nofreewill]

@@adamgarlow5347 True, Gimp might not be the best experience now, but I will recommend people give it a try after the release of Gimp 3, which will likely release next year.

[@n00blamer]

@@nofreewill GIMP is really shite to use but for $0 price it's good enough for cropping images which is what I use it for. Doing anything beyond that is like eating glass.

[@BeckyAnn6879]

@@n00blamer I've managed to get GIMP to do some cool stuff following the tutorial videos from Davies Media Design here on KZbin, but it's not all that intuitive. For its price point, it works... I just wouldn't expect to do anything of a professional level on it.

[@NaughtMax]

As an artist software as a service has always worried me, I’ve seen some of my favorite software that I use daily go the service direction and every time it’s a worse experience. My biggest recent grip is with Zbrush which only recently switched to the as a service model after years of having a “perpetual license” under the promise that “buy it one time and get updates for life” well the latest version is the last one that’ll receive updates and hopefully it’s the last version I’ll ever need because I don’t plan on adding another subscription for something I already bought. On that note this trend of going towards a subscription model is why I switched from Maya to blender, a program I genuinely hated using because autodesk nixed their perpetual license. If I have to choose between learning to use a product I don’t love, or being forced to pay for a subscription to something I’ve already bought, I’m gonna switch programs every time.

[@adamstraus2276]

To be fair to Zbrush, they didn't exactly choose to do this, they were bought out by Maxon.

[@ContraVsGigi]

Blender is an extremely powerful software, do you miss anything since switching? (Except the learning curve)

[@terriblecacti]

same, i made the switch to clip studio since it was a great program with updates, user content, and a one time purchase. now theyve gone to a subscription model too, and ive gone back to resetting the trial on SAI every month

[@glowtail3744]

Maya is a fucking headache to use for me. It crashes all the time. Note that my pc is pretty decent for workstation use. Blender though I haven't had many problems. Its the same with my migration from photoshop to krita. I love my software reliable and free

[@ContraVsGigi]

@@glowtail3744 For all our sake, if you make money with any free software, please also consider donating some to the developers. Otherwise, at some point, they will not be able to continue developing those programs and we'll all end up with lots of "Adobe's".

[@katherinesilens2994]

Depending on your business scale, at some point it becomes cheaper just to mail samples back and forth with suppliers and shotgun the colors until they're correct.

[@CeaseEcho]

Pantone and Adobe: You'll need to pay us for colors now. Poor Artists: *laughs in pirate*

[@three_iii9198]

been using a pirated version of photoshop for years now, cant stop me 😎

[@CricketEngland]

0:29 that’s why I still use Paint Shop Pro 5

[@TwoBs]

@@three_iii9198 The correct way to internet. Never paid for an Adobe program and don’t ever plan on it. Never had issues with subscription service warnings popping up, trials coming back, nothing. 3ds Max, Substance Painter, and Topaz at some point have been the only things I’ve outright paid for, and that’s only because I pirated them for so long and enjoyed their products so much, I caved. Adobe, though? Will always encourage sailing the seas, and I thank the dedicated slew of people that work to make sure that’s always an option with updates … especially in this current economy.

[@duvaintheodd5695]

@@TwoBs Agreed. I have completely left the industry but I had paid for a license for max and maya and thsoe are amazing softwares and make so much sense. I tried to go blender couple times but always came back. Zbrush also paid for perpetual license and all of my adobe stuff have always been permanently pirated. Especially since coming onto the industry around CS5.5 shit and subscription starting on after cs6.

[@Naokarma]

False. Pirating Adobe products don't fix the problem, they only perpetuate it, because companies will still be stuck paying for it and forcing you to use it. It's better to use ANY product that avoids Adobe. Free opensource products like Gimp and Krita that don't think they can control your life and do whatever they want are perfect options. We need to not allow Photoshop to be the only photo editing software in existence that people even know exists, and pirating software is still using that software.

I've been trying to replace Photoshop with Krita over the last year, and I've got to say. It's been a lot easier than I thought it would be. I still miss a few things here and there. But at least it's way better than Gimp in my opinion. And each update brings new features that make it more and more competitive.

[@digitalconsciousness]

I have done this as well. It seems that Krita has way better brushes as well. It does crash often, but a simple reboot of the software gets your file back easily with no changes lost. I'll easily take the crashy software over having to shell out money every month, which is laughable. I also use Unity and Blender, which are also free. Although all of them are free, I fully plan to donate to each of them once I am actually making money.

[@kaidenrogers]

What would you say Krita has over Gimp?

[@MDHaughton]

@@kaidenrogers I like digital art better in krita over GIMP, but gimp is still great for photo manipulation.

[@Valisk]

I've been an Adobe user since Illustrator 88... Our company recently changed our license agreement so that I can no longer use a CC license at home. I've got all the CC alternatives installed, but you know what? FK Adobe. I'd happily pay a one off fee for their software (as I have done on MANY occasions since 1988) but balls to that. I now shamelessly steal their software and they only have themselves to blame. FSK Adobe.

[@flamingknight11]

@@kaidenrogers Being an active user of both software, Gimp is my preference for photo editing and manipulation where as Krita feels better when doing digital drawings and paintings, ie creating images from scratch. But thats just my preference. Either way, both are great, free, open-source replacements for photoshop.

[@mickm6309]

I remember back in the 80's using the Pantone books, I was doing printing at the time. The books were about $800 AUD and our company didn't update very often. Besides having the colour and Pantone number they also had how to mix the colours with your basic inks. Eg. for a darker blue it might have, 1 Part Black, 2 Parts Reflex Blue.

[@maikel3572]

Thank you someone with knowledge. I read so many comments here and nobody actually knows what is going on and I believe that Linus has also been briefed wrong by his staff to what’s actually going on. Pantone/Adobe only removed the convenience of typing the pantone color in a window and it magically showing up in your document. It sucks how they went about it. But you still have the ability to do it as we did back then. Make a custom swatch. Grab a physical guide. Find the conversion color and put it in manually. Or look it up online and copy it in manually.

[@darthjump]

Good thing i have always gone for the alternatives. I edit photos in Darktable and edit videos in Resolve. I design in Clip Studio which i got with my graphics design tablet. The first t shirt i ever designed back in the day and yes, in GIMP, i was already confronted with the Pantone Problem because the store i wanted to print at only used you guessed it, Pantone colors.

[@jackbarbey]

I'm a photographer so I don't use Pantone, but I appreciated the plug for the Affinity apps by Serif. I've been using Affinity Photo for years and it's amazing. It does everything I need and I can actually own a license.

[@mitche307]

Captureone>Affinity>Lightroom

[@alucidrust]

I love these videos from LTT. I like the critical aspect of them and also Linus and his team being able to back-up their points. These videos really put in to light the shady practices by these companies and goes to show that we are essentially controlled by massive corporations.

[@foodlfg]

LTT did not even mentioned the importance of free&opensource software and standards in this video. the highest level they could reached is "just pirate it". lolfail

[@vincewilson1]

Only if you let them... Everyone should go open source. It would serve those pirates right.

[@meangreen99]

You know you’re right except it stinks when LTT makes their own proprietary products and refuses to offer any sort of warranty under some weird threat of LTT closing cause Linus could hypothetically die.

[@meangreen99]

@@foodlfg LTT doesn’t practice what they preach at all. They sell expensive overpriced proprietary products with no warranty. LTT is a good place for complaints we all share but it’s not a good place to actually solve the problems we all complain about.

[@spawnsen823]

@@meangreen99 No warranty on the screw driver? You must be kidding. What a hypocrisy.

[@BoxedNinja]

Glad to see Affinity get the spotlight! Switched a year ago and can’t imagine going back. It isn’t perfect, but the cost savings are insane and there are actually some changes that lead to dramatic improvements in specific workflows.

[@b0ne91]

How does it perform? Adobe Suite is notorious for terrible optimizations and being essentialy single thread limited.

[@BoxedNinja]

@@b0ne91 I use it on an M1 Pro MacBook. They’re very optimized for Mac OS. Best scenario I can give is that I use Affinity Publisher to make small booklets and a 40-page booklet filled with images has no troubles at all.

[@younesmirzaie]

I'm so happy I moved to Affinity Designer in 2018, not because of the price but how light and modern it felt compared to illustrator. As long as Affinity keeps this business plan I'll happily purchase each major release of their software.

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

@@b0ne91 Overall I think Affinity performs better than Adobe. Each program is far lighter on your machine. Since I bought it back in 2017 the devs have done some really solid performance patches. Last year they released 1.10, which was just a performance patch, but the improvements were crazy solid when working on massive canvases. With 2.0 it has only gotten better in other areas. For example, Blend Options that allow for blending with curves are super smooth now in V2 after being much laggier in V1. The devs take performance very seriously and are constantly working on making it better.

[@msavasacar]

I was looking up for affinty for a week, this video reminded me to do it actually, tomorrow first thing is the transfer all artwork to affinty trial while waiting a volume licence.

[@melo-7904]

i know i am late to the party but we need to start a new software revolution at this point when I an artist who in some hypothetical universe used photoshop instead of piko pixel and procreate and suddenly my artwork didnt have colour because 2 of the biggest monopolies (i aint even gonna sugarcoat it this time) got in a widdle fwight, i would single handedly try to start a software revolution (by getting and promoting free and open source alternatives like gimp or piko pixel for the 2 mac users out there as i am one of them) just to spite adobe

[@iaina3251]

Nice shout out for Affinity. It's not quite Photoshop in terms of all the features, but it's good enough for most users and $35.. It's less for an entire, very good photo /art solution application than a single month of Creative Cloud and you own the software forever.

[@Equiste97]

And if you consider now they offer a kind of licenses that includes all 3 apps for all 3 systems, its an even better deal

[@thedrumdoctor]

I switched to Affinity, best thing I ever did.

[@dannymcwilliams422]

Just bought their v2 packages. Think it was about £90 for the three, I bought Photo and Designer v1 when they offered them cheap during the pandemic and they were fantastic. My Adobe subscription is about to run out and I won't be renewing, the whole Pantone issue is fairly irrelevant to me but the monthly fee adds up and could spend it better elsewhere.

[@GunzyHD]

v2 affinity is even better too. Buying both in the last 2 years saved me hundreds avoiding adobe

[@endcsline0752]

Imagine Picasso and Van Gogh made their art using high quality paint from a very known paint producer. But after a few decades, the paint producer sends out employees who paint all pieces black unless you pay a fee every month.

[@minartson]

Painting is a finished piece, like a saved PDF/JPEG, not PSD/AI file

[@ekim4926]

@@minartson A file is a file though

[@haphazard1342]

We kinda already have this problem, though, because the paints that they actually used have faded and changed over time. Famously, von Gogh's vas with pink flowers has faded entirely to blue and green and yellow. Only the barest hint of pink remains along the bottom edge of the painting.

[@harry3life]

@@minartson That makes no sense. A finished piece is a PSD/AI file. the PDF/JPEG is a copy. Like print of a scan of the original work.

[@lonelyone69]

@@minartson but you can edit PDF just as easily as EPS or AI 😂

[@alleriodrone]

For those who are new to this concept they may want to check out the free software foundation. One of the core principles essentially states that if you don't own your software then anything you make in that software belongs to the software company since they can pull support and make your files inaccessible at any time.

[@VinLAURiA]

Free Software Foundation has its own issues, what with having Stallman as its head ("it's not Linux, it's GNU/Linux" etc.) and they're very "my way or the highway" when it comes to licensing and stuff like that - either you submit to the GNU way of doing things or you get lost, and god forbid you to try to play nice with other licenses. Best way I've seen FOSS done is Blender. DaVinci Resolve is also a really good model for free software even if it's proprietary.

[@DarkSwordsman]

@@VinLAURiA Unironically, I was a long-time Premiere user. Once I got used to the node system and Fusion in Resolve, I was convinced it was (and is) a better software.

[@manjindersinghsaini911]

@@DarkSwordsman DaVinci Resolves everything! (for video editors)

[@tuantran3629]

@@VinLAURiA Funny you said that about Blender. Couple years ago there were a dramas about Blender licenses, specifically about plugins licenses.

[@alleriodrone]

@@VinLAURiA Stallman was kicked out a while ago and they started to change a bit but I get your point. Just saying you can find a lot of information from them Also, DaVinci resolve is free as in "free beer" I'd rather have them follow the free as in "liberty" model and make it open source with a pay model.

[@JrocTheReal]

The futurama reference. Linus you're such a good fucking creator man one of the few left standing and not held down by NDA's and contracts that censor your speech and ideals which we all should appreciate more. Keep doing this man we need you here. No one else makes content like this.

[@Matt_Duke]

I pirated Photoshop as kid because that's what kids do, but when they switched to the sub model I knew I was gonna remain pirating it my entire life, and boy don't I regret it one bit given the new move. PS: I shameslessly use it for work.

[@visveshnarayan7964]

I feel like they don't really care about individual users pirating it. Most of their profits come from larger organisations that can't afford to pirate for legal reasons.

[@DubMasterSFX]

Stop pirate Photoshop, switch to Affinity Photo.

[@PerryCS2]

Using it for work? I would pay for it. Using it casually? Why not pirate it.... subscriptions for casual use are not cost effective.

[@chrisbellevue]

I'm not condoning it but I understand 🍻🏴‍☠️

[@user-Cata7sti7ma7]

Pirating is morale and ethical against any monopoly. Cause monopoly is the highest crime in a capitalist economy.

[@cappuccinoowl559]

This is why I kept my copies of CS5 and CS6. Sure, i don't get the latest color libraries but the costs over time stays until complete obsolescence.

[@NexuJin]

Secretly I'm hoping people now will go spreading the ACB files on file-sharing sites. Not to encourage software piracy, but just out of spite toward Pantone.

[@matttypes2695]

This is why the Affinity software suite exists. Edit: Glad you mentioned it in the video 👍🏻

[@IAmCymepka]

The worst part of it will be when you buy Pantone colors back: I don't think they will revert colors from black to pantone, so you'll have to guess what color it was before new update.

[@fflach_heulyn]

From my experience with logo packs, most graphic designers save the pantone version of the logo with the name of the pantone in the actual file name. But yes, it sucks if you haven't done that.

[@Razuliann]

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I have used pirated Adobe software even though I had a license. Here are a few reasons why I don't like to use major enterprise software, a few examples: - Google Stadia is shutting down, that's well known here - Windows at some point started pushing broken audio drivers to my Lenovo Thinkpad that caused memory leaks and BSODs - Windows is forcing telemetry tests and constant virus scans, even with their own updates. At some point I noticed that 50% CPU was used for updates and 50% for scanning their own updates - Netflix can remove series when they want - KZbin changes many things constantly - Autodesk Fusion 360 at some point changed their UI, it still feels weird to me - Altium Designer has a whole different UI than what I used when I started using it 8 years ago They all have in common that you're forced to take what they change. The only way to get around that is alternative software, software mods/hacking or piracy. It's why I use Office 2019 instead of 365, why I'm done with Windows and use Linux instead. I only run a Windows VM on my streaming server for games or specific software.

[@5bars3g36]

Windows virus tests and checksums their own updates ever since someone figured out how to send counterfeit update files for windows 7 and 8. Like that one at least has a genuine security purpose.

[@BearZA_91]

FOSS all the way! I know it's not a solution for everyone and all problems, but it sure is getting better and better with time. I remember running Ubuntu when I was in High school for a few weeks, many a year later, as an adult I am now daily driving Linux and loving it.

[@2020-p2z]

I installed Linux a few years ago, and never looked back. I have a Windows machine on my desk to run the few software packages that Linux simply cannot, but for most of my computing activities, including literally ALL of my gaming, I use Linux.

[@rybec]

Lol! Also, when I took some graphic design courses, I refused to use Adobe and instead used Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, and other open source alternatives. Thankfully, I had a professor who was fine with that. I wasn't about to let myself get locked into expensive software with deceptively "free" student offerings! (Interestingly, my digital photography professor was impressed with some features of Gimp that Photoshop didn't have.)

[@vkessel]

About the extra features of GIMP, that surprised me. Like GIMP has built in frequency separation with as many layers as you like why in PS you gotta do it manually and record some janky macro? Are you kidding me? That's nearly an essential feature for some work, and they have a god damn team of engineers being paid to work on the software unlike GIMP. What absolute hacks. Everyone should move away from their products.

[@rybec]

@@vkessel Yeah, GIMP has continued to add broadly useful features that improve workflow, while Adobe has added bells and whistles with very narrow use cases. To be fair, I haven't used Adobe in years, but I watch enough art videos (by professionals) on KZbin to see where Adobe lacks many basic features GIMP added years ago. I think it's just a fundamental difference in business models. Adobe has a captive audience, so instead of adding features to improve the general experience, they add marginal features to attract new users with niche needs. (Most proprietary software businesses with dominant market shares do this. See Windows, with it's cycle where every 4 or 5 versions they cut back on bloat due to customer complaints, but in between it's all about adding new features no one asked for and very few people want, need, or even benefit from.) Open source software is typically developed by its own users, who have a strong motive to improve their own workflow and the general quality of the software, so they focus heavily on improving the general experience. If Adobe started losing market share to GIMP at a decent rate, the competition would set Adobe in line pretty quickly (or they would just go under), but deceptive marketing practices (like giving college students free non-commercial use access and paying off professors to require students to use it, without being transparent about the cost and alternatives) make that unlikely to happen. And it doesn't help that people who have spent 4+ years of learning Adobe cast shade on GIMP for being hard to learn, without recognizing or acknowledging that it's actually no harder to learn and the only advantage they have with Adobe is literally just years of experience. (I know professional artists who have significant experience with both, and this is based on their analysis, not just my own opinions. They tell me both take some concerted effort and experience to learn, and they are pretty similar with some advantages for GIMP in a few places. And last I talked to them, interoperability between GIMP and Photoshop was pretty good, though that was a couple of years ago.) Anyhow, I use GIMP, because I can't afford Photoshop and I'm darn well not going to pay a subscription for productivity software. I just installed LibreOffice on a new laptop, instead of using the 6 month "free" Office 365 subscription. I'm teaching my kids art using an open source graphics suite. Slavery to proprietary subscription "software as a service" isn't something I'm willing to sell myself or my kids into. I want to own my own trade tools, instead of only being able to rent them.

[@kbhasi]

Similar thing for me here. I went for open-source alternatives as I can't afford both Adobe CC and DC, and some guide books I do read have procedures for Adobe software due to them being industry standards in several industries, but I basically just follow them in equivalents, like with one book I'm planning to read which has its tutorials made for Illustrator 2021, which the author used for his work for clients, but would follow them in Inkscape instead, and I also had the idea of posting my own unofficial addendum for those who read the book and want to use Inkscape instead of Illustrator.

[@BlueberryJamPie]

The thing not mentioned on the pricing is that it's mostly shown for Canada/US/EU, meanwhile other countries have the insane dollar conversion, not to mention the shipping price of Pantone books going almost to $200, and risking it either not getting, or taking over 1-2 months to get to you, so your pallet color "durante" is even less. There is the alternative to using the RAL colors which are free, for now.

[@snittsel]

RAL works 95% of the time and is free. Else NCS for the most precise colour selection. I don't see any reason why you would ever use Pantone.

[@VadikRamm]

Pulled the plug on Adobe entirely about 6 years ago. I have to admit it was difficult to learn new software but much like learning a new skill, I spent weeks and hundreds of hours developing reflexes and naturally adapt to the new software. Love for DaVinci Resolve and ON1 softwares.

[@uhuhno6441]

I wish I could substitute with Davinci but I can't make it not crash. Not a single version, none. And it's a shame cause I love everything about it except that. To me it works like a charm - which is *not,* like uh uh, like at all.

[@n347f0x]

Agree. Switched to Affinity Photo and never looked back

[@Aki-ow9hd]

Adobe Premiere crashes more often and it's killing me, makes it worth trying to just learn DVR

[@uhuhno6441]

@@Aki-ow9hd LOL let's switch systems 😂

[@faultboy]

@@uhuhno6441 Never experienced such a thing, are you sure overclocking is 100% stable or disabled? Had a problem with ram timing before.

[@TheRoughStar]

This is why i now have skepticism on any service offering any form of convenience ever. They're potentially gonna demand you, your children, your pets even your plants for gratuity. Specially once they end up affording lawyers to be their collectors.

[@scatmanj101]

Funnily enough, I am actually a commercial printer that makes book covers and we use pantone color inks for basically every single job. Heard about this happening and was talking with some of the prepress guys at my company about this and they were livid lol. Granted this huge company doesn't really care about paying a monthly fee so to me it seems like pantone is gonna come out on top with this either way

[@nymusicman]

Affinity once again amazes me. I bought each of their 3 apps and Adobe in the dust when they wanted a subscription. I don't really use Pantone, but to know that I'm getting this benefit and without a sub when both Adobe and Pantone now want subs just amazes me.

[@the9red9one]

The whole give it to students so they become dependent on it thing is common with lots of software these days. I'm an engineering student and we get (usually free) academic licenses for tons of relevant software to the program, but it's obvious most are just trying to become the 'standard' for our industries. Hasn't worked for everyone but it has definitely played an impact on what CAD (Autodesk and Solidworks instead of Creo or Siemens NC or Solid Edge) software I have used/continue to use in work, what simulation and numerical analysis work I do (Matlab instead of Python, other ANSYS stuff and other statistics tools), and of course what other design software I use (Adobe (free for us) over literally anything else). Some of it kindof sucks because I know I won't have them while in industry, or I know this software is about to be beat by competitors I know I'll eventually have to learn

[@Nevir202]

I remember when Adobe CC started coming out and people were telling me it wasn’t gonna be that bad, and it was worthwhile for pros. I was asking what they were going to do and how they would feel if CC became several hundred dollars per month. I see it’s already a good fraction of the way there, and that before they decided that you retroactively need to pay a monthly subscription to use COLORS, something that I truly, never expected in my wildest, hellish fever dreams. 🤣

[@O1OO1O1]

That sunset will be $1.50 per minute.

[@lpoffline]

No it's not, also, Linus comparason between CS6 and CC is BS as you needed to pay additional 900 usd on top of initial 2600 usd purchase every 2 years to upgrade. If you don't, good luck working with any client, partner etc. files. People who actually purchased software used to pirate newer versions just to convert projects to older versions. The amount of time saved by removing such BS makes this model a huge success and makes up for the cost of subscription. Lastly, roughly 60 usd (currently 40, and there are multiple sales per year) is a ridiculously small amount for professional software package, even those "several hundred" which has no basis in reality (the price gone up by whopping 10 usd in 10 years), it would still be cheap for any at least half decent professional.

[@Nevir202]

@@lpoffline LOL simp harder. What's next, subscription to brushes? How about a separate subscription for the eyedropper?

[@jsonjsoff]

@@lpoffline they need to offer different tiered plans. The photography plan is the only worthwhile deal. Subbing to the entire suite that's relegated to a single seat is ridiculous. Relatively few people can competently take advantage of more than 3 or 4 types of professional software.

[@Kkubey]

People used to get their wages in cash. Then the banks came and said they'd give them a bank account for free to get their wages send to. And now you have to pay to maintain a bank account and the feature of getting wages in cash is gone as banks have all the power now.