I Just Invented a Brood Lord Cheese... It's Surprisingly Strong

[@____GoMeZ____]

I'm sure he knows this and it's 100% because he is a terran main, but Thermy, my man, please rally your hatcheries =D. You rally workers, yes, but there is a separate rally for army. It tickles me watching his army sitting by his hatcheries and he's forced to go back and select them individually. Anyhoo, good stuff as always

[@ToTheNines87368]

Yeah you can also hotkey the eggs of course. But I guess you can rely on the all army hotkey. Which is probably why his overseers suddenly took the long trip back 😂❤

[@corbeau-_-]

@@ToTheNines87368 reminded me of marc making zerglings in a 2v2 where his ally left. He got confused/upset a bit because F2 wouldn't select the zerglings he made using said left ally's base.

[@tomac1020]

marc knows nearly everything about this game, so he 100% knows about the hatchery rally. he obviously chooses not to use it... some some strange reason :D

[@frankpork7665]

@@tomac1020 engagement bait? lol

[@____GoMeZ____]

@ he knows it, it’s just muscle memory because of the way units rally out of barracks and factories.

[@sUpErBaNaNa12]

when the terran made missile turrets at 21:00, they couldve just made more engineering bays, and it would be cheaper

[@samuraichilton]

@sUpErBaNaNa12 that's a great idea. And it would have distracted uthermals entire plan. Sometimes the hardest thing about strategy is switching it.

[@MeesterG]

I thought the same, but it's always a lot easier to think normally when you're just watching a game. When you play, you're usually non-stop in stress-mode xD

[@ShawnConner-c3s]

Since it's visible when engi bays are researching and you cant have multiple bays researching the same upgrade it would at least force the zerg to search for the new bays but wouldn't guarantee that he couldn't keep chain contaminating.

[@TinyTank4Live]

Winning by stealing a worker from the enemy with an infestor and destroying the enemy with his own factions units HAS to become a challenge

[@Entar0]

It's kinda impossible without pulling punches and dragging an already won game out against a wood league opponent.

[@UnrivaledAegis]

As cool as it sounds, this type of challenge would be the most boring challenge in the world to watch and play.

[@TinyTank4Live]

@Entar0 I bet people have said that about a lot of his challenges

[@TinyTank4Live]

@@UnrivaledAegis I personally think that about the BC rush/cheese but Thermal loves doing them. Not everyone likes/dislikes the same thing

[@deihorus7927]

Burrow to GrandMaster

[@brokk2000]

I love that in the first round you always see what you show in your thumbnail. That immediately motivates you to watch the rest

[@samuraichilton]

You have the absolute most entertaining SC2 games. I love the contaminate idea.

[@joshuatrammell8323]

Hey Uthermal, idea: Win from only defending. You can’t attack. Only expand and defend expansions until your territory and defenses becomes so large that your opponent forfeits due to loss of hope. Maybe that’s a dumb idea, idk, but I think it could be fun watching them metaphorically punch an expanding brick wall until they just give up.

[@朕是神]

Check out his only defending till GM videos from a while back.

[@ja3482]

Beastyqt already did a "never attack" challenge years ago if you need to see that

[@mozey9366]

Economy win huh. What if build a hatchery in the opponent's base. Does that counter as defense;⁠)

[@firesong7825]

@@朕是神 Can't find them

[@sage5296]

I mean late game TvZ is basically just that

[@Iddy267]

"WHERE ARE THE BANELINGS " I kept saying in my head in that overseer game...

[@JCHuberson]

It was for memes. He knows lol.

[@andrewr681]

After the game finished, you can see their first upgrade almost complete, so they "Almost" had a upgrade at the engineering bay

[@DjinneticTV]

Was seriously rooting for you during the overseer game, I would love to see more attempts at denying upgrades like that

[@justinhowe3878]

"I don't wanna do too many drops-actually, I do kinda wanna do too many drops, but I think it's a bad idea." I feel like this one line summarizes the struggle between Marc and the baboon. Which one is winning at any moment is not always obvious.

[@MasterSonicKnight]

i love how game 2 was the embodiment of "oh i never expected to get this far, idk what to do now" and i'm surprised game 3 went worse than game 2

[@GruppeSechs]

The best part was how the plan in game 2 was "I should contaminate his factory so he can't make hellions" and immediately switched to delaying bio upgrades, thus corralling his opponent into hard countering him with hellions/hellbats, lol. That was some next level smoothbrain behavior.

[@muxiku]

Recently there is a strategy with mas overseer lurker nidus and you put the overseers on top of the lurkers to prevent the ghost from sniping them and then you send changelings to spawn nidus, you could try it.

[@mozey9366]

What about Queen. It's much cheaper and can attack both ground and air

[@muxiku]

​@@mozey9366 You have spores that don't take supply and lurker is the counter to terran bio, Obviously this strategy is only viable against terran bio, i seen Roge do it some times in the last month

[@KingCobra459]

"Let me get the creep out a llittle further"?..... You're not Marc 😆Who is this

[@balintlengyel1434]

This overseer game had me laughing twice. As long as I remember, I have not laughed at any video or TV show, ever. Yeah, I know, I'm a pretty sour guy, but this one was a lot of fun to watch :) Thanks Marc!

[@GruppeSechs]

I like how the plan in game 2 was "I should contaminate his factory so he can't make hellions" and immediately switched to delaying bio upgrades, thus corralling his opponent into hard countering him with hellions/hellbats, lol. That was some next level smoothbrain behavior.

[@Ben-gd1so]

19:21 queen doing a breakdance :D

[@ferr44]

As a casual Starcraft enjoyer, I had no idea you could steal probes to build enemy structures and units like that. Great content, keep it up!

[@BuRnChilD]

Hey Uthermal, idea: Roulette units on each army producing building. Each match will reset the random roulette and then play with that until the end. Keep up the great entertaining vids.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

As a zerg, Dynasty is my "let's practice baneling busting" map. I take the gold, go up to 25 drones, then speedlings and banes when the bane nest goes up. Both Dynasty and Post-youth are very good for baneling busting because there's no wall between the main and the (pocket) nat.

[@RyanTheTechPriest]

I like these new series brother, this new GM series as well as the team games!

[@RyanTheTechPriest]

It was this or a paragraph, just keep having fun! It makes great content, also if you want to play more BAR I'd definitely watch as I found that interesting.

[@elevation1560]

Loved this episode. I'd like to see more infestor games in the future, with a bonus goal of stealing a probe/scv - almost epic!

[@medigoomnis]

7:55 "can't believe he found that" right by the main path the guy had just gone by with medivacs a few times...huh...lol

[@dogfoot1874]

Do something no one else has done Uthermal (Beastyqt Hartem etc) The build is based around Neosteel Armor Turtle Terran. The only way to attack enemy base is to leap frog bunkers Upgraded bunker has +2 armor and of 6 stimmed marines is 88 dps

[@bozydarziemniak1853]

U-thermal I invented cool challange for you. The rules are simple: - you just producing the invnisible terran units: mine, ghost and banshees + vikings You can use vikings or ghosts to destroy detection from opponent. Point is to destroy all possible detection of opponent and catch them when he overdoes the basic technological lines like protoss doing mass gateways or zerg staying on hatchery with mass roaches and banelings.

[@Deniz-uc5nt]

Those infestors randomly walking home made me crack 😂😂😂

[@gatherer818]

When he said overlord cheese, I was honestly surprised one of his main strategies wasn't "whoops I brought queens and put tumors on every base location, sorry you can't expand or even just build a barracks because creep is everywhere", I've always wondered if that would work but I suck at Zerg even more than the other two races so...

[@uku5840]

Regarding the overseers, I think it warrants doing some labbing. Figure out an actual build. How many overseers do you need to make in order to "permanantly" deny uppgrades, and when do you need to have them built? Also, I think it'd be fun if we knew a little more about which units benefits most from fighting low-upgrade units? Perhaps hydras smash units with low armor? Perhaps a single Ultralisk becomes unkilleable? Are Mutas extra effective when we have the extra vision and detection for mines etc? It's a very interesting build to explore since it's so open-ended!

[@GruppeSechs]

Well, it didn't help that the plan in game 2 was "I should contaminate his factory so he can't make hellions" and immediately switched to delaying bio upgrades, thus corralling his opponent into hard countering him with hellions/hellbats, lol. That was some next level smoothbrain behavior.

[@gingeral253]

What is your favorite type of cheese? Like actual cheese.

[@mattamunoz1]

swisssss

[@zergling1562]

The stinky blue kind, Blue Stilton or Gorgonzola

[@canacana6484]

feta

[@AtomicRadii]

Gouda

[@JohnCephas]

Brie

[@jimdelsol1941]

10 banelings in the overlord game and it would have turned the game around. Would be cool indeed to do more of that overlord challenge, but please make some bannelings x) Maybe mass banneling traps and you contaminate the starport so no raven on top of no upgrades ? :p

[@legojoker7552]

I would really like to see you play more with brood lords, I know it's technically "done" in this challenge but that was a really fun game to watch. I think late-game siege units (brood lords, tempests) are the coolest but unfortunately underutilized mechanics due to their overall viability.

[@朕是神]

Challenge idea: start the game playing with monobattle rules, and you can choose a second unit each game at five minutes, a 3rd unit at 10 minutes, etc.

[@joshdoldersum9132]

Day9 had a funday monday back in the day where one guy rushed 5 overseers to try to deny warpgate.

[@NepTunez-ff9bp]

Love the series. That infestor build is a crazy challenge!

[@JohnNaru2112]

19:25 Queen rave bottom left of screen

[@diazalex5314]

If you vomit, the enemy might create static defense. Morphing a brood lord would break his mind.

[@njdarda]

the contaminate strat is something i surely thought zergs should be doing back in 2010 :D

[@RMarkNolan]

These challenges are insane! So interesting to see these creative builds!

[@isaac_shelton]

these videos are super entertaining, cheers to challenges 100%

[@mozey9366]

Plant creep near opponent's base. Broodlord is so great with spine and spore crawler. Maybe u should build some infestors as well. That's very hard to solve.

[@balazsfenyes3880]

Uthermal really went full carbot derpfestor there trying to make a mixed race army.

[@diox8tony]

so excited, broodlord rush challenge has been on my wishlist for a while. (wow you almost threw that game away...opponent gave up too early)

[@deadworld953]

I was literally just thinking "too bad you can't make brood lord cheese work" a couple days ago. If anyone could do it, it'd be you.

[@dpend]

Alternate title for game #2: Marc finds out how broken marines are

[@dogabutila]

Contaminate is expensive because otherwise it would be way too oppressive.

[@riklaunim]

For overlord/drop-o-lord you can do a mini series where you drop queens, poop creep and place creep tumors all over the enemy bases.

[@Phr8]

Those infestors trying to sneak their way home. Hilarious!

[@jaguh9069]

Oh man, the 1st game. If only marc sticks to the plan and morph the broods at the dead space instead of the freaking center of the map lol

[@SCoraccioIV]

So what is funny is you can contaminate the orbitals then you can just burrow lurkers and if they dont have ravens you can contaminate the starports

[@Mesos92]

Looking forward to corruptor cheese. The game you had against that protoss was fun to watch and was hoping you'd pull a win out.

[@ambion19]

Cant believe how insanely expensive contamination is. Should last longer fir that cost. If you revisit overseers cheese and i hope you do, id love to see if you can kill the uogrades again while getting chitinous uktralisks. Whatever static and units you need to defend wuth until theyre ready. An unstoppable onslaught of 3/5 uktralisks against 1 damage marines is the dream

[@aroadtorome7683]

A humble offering for the almighty algorithm.

[@GBRiLFLRNTiN]

two most tragic games in just one series, very cool

[@willowsmaple]

hello, i am quite new to starcraft, can someone pleaee explain what mistake his opponent made around 3:30?

[@richey2008]

Will you do any challenge series involving lurkers? I haven't seen you use them much and am curious what you'd do with them

[@jAfr0Thunder86]

Unless it's changed in 12 years, Fungal doesn't kill. it'll bring them down to 1 HP, but can't kill.

[@uThermal]

You're thinking about Plague not Fungal :P

[@Chizypuff]

Brood Lord is my favorite unit in the game, excited for this one

[@MichelMichelMann]

Fungal needs to do more damage again, I hate that it barely does anything

[@iagmusicandflying]

If you neural an oracle and throw a stasis, is the stasis then also yours and you can give your protoss opponent a possibly unlooked for surprise?

[@ericjanes591]

I would rename the series to "Hero unit to GM" since the series is not pure cheese but is about a strategy around the Hero Unit.

[@ja3482]

21:12 almost got supply blocked 😬

[@fergusonja8]

What a title, never clicked your videos so fast

[@whateverppl1229]

5:35 I told my friend to scout and he said "I scout when I do the drop"

[@hardhikes]

Why do some streamers set the unit life bars to Always during recordings? Is it easier for some people to watch but they normally play with health bars only for Damaged?

[@dpend]

The brood lord game was sooooo cool 😂 never seen anyone try that before

[@roland2483]

Please make an episode where you have to steal an SCV or probe and kill the enemy with a mixed army. You got so close so many times in some of your videos now :D

[@corbeau-_-]

5:25 you don't need to scan an absolute baboon. Unless he has the strategy/apm skillset of a freak - like marc... Still, the scan will not make a difference in either case.

[@stylis666]

Okay, I'm a nub, right, so by all means tell me I'm wrong and dumb, but... upgrades and features on units only cost about the same as one or two units, right. So at about 10 Blizzard minutes into the game any upgrade costs less than 0.5% of your supply. Then why not just buy all of them? Minus the ones you already have, that's less than 5% what you already have in supply, and you should have the resources to bereplace about 50-100% of that. If you make that 49.75% to 99.5% of your whole army replaced within a minute and you could make it purely perfect counters along with all the upgrades and features and whatnot. Why not just do that? I mean... Around 2 minutes into the game a 2% difference matters a lot and can escalate to a 2000% difference, but with ~10,000 resources mined and scouting back and forth the whole meta changes and sticking with an army composition becuase you have the upgrades just seems a matter of psycholigy to me since you can jsut buy all other upgrades and features in 1 more minute with 0.5% cost to your army, with a 2000% profit, assuming you know what counters the army your opponent has.

[@Aragon-m3q]

I am training and thanks to your videos I have improved a lot, even Terran🎉🎉🎉😊

[@big.brett.energy]

When you finish all of one race and you roll it again in random you should have to play it but only one of the units you’ve lost with prior, instead of ending the series with units not used.

[@sk-nc4ew]

challenge: neural a probe, make a Zerg mama-ship, win with a cloaked Zerg army (cloaked Hydras seem OP ;-) )

[@____GoMeZ____]

awww that final game had the chance to be super epic

[@cardenlim190]

I’ve been watching these videos for a while and I am getting a little suspicious, all these tactics may be cheeses when used by other people but when Uthermal uses them, they become actual strategies 😂. “Cheeses rely on surprises or good matchups and can be countered easily”. My experience with uthermal is, “oh no he realized so early and the cheese is ruined, guess I’ll just double down on the cheese and win anyways”

[@Shielded10]

Mass overseer is meta. Mass changling to buffer.

[@spaaggetii]

Why do you build a vespene gyser and then straight up cancel it? Is that a secret strat?

[@OneCoolKidIndeed]

Overseer + Muta. Would that be too much gas? Kill Economy and perma lock the opponent from making new workers. I have never played starcraft, does that ability work on worker producing buildings?

[@evanbasnaw]

I still loved watching that infestor game

[@ulrichwinkler722]

5:21... that fart sound after "wasted all my money" .. is that a game sound?! and than again... "if you play against against an "... ?!

[@AlexAlex-jd3ih]

Can you neural halucination units?..

[@zeraghtul6834]

I've never seen a brood lord cheese before. I might try this build on ladder.

[@wschmrdr]

Disruption Web costs 125 energy in Brood War. Or at least it used to....

[@philh8829]

As good as marc is, he continues zerglings against a zergling shredding army….

[@tharlo]

You definitely need to have a second attempt with the infestors build, that whole game was a disaster

[@whiskeytangotv1758]

Dang Marc, not in an insulting way, but you are a decent creep spreader. Lmao

[@Eversor86]

Seeing him fumble so much with infesters when he gone to GM with them alone in a separate series is kinda sad.

[@crimsonfist1408]

Can u upgrade for both races

[@clxrfly]

Do a series where you try to steal the opponent’s SCV or probe

[@matholden60]

Is there any chance you can cheese by Neural Parasite opponents worker and attack your opponent using the new race?

[@gendalfgray7889]

If you making drops and afraid of something why not send scout ahead? Like dogling or overseer.

[@SonnyKnutson]

Maybe adrenal glands would have made the difference if you could get it in time :P

[@yomommashaus]

it's so funny how you are complimenting the opp during the game as if you're excited about what they're doing lol

[@MrLincoln87]

I was thinking ... you're so annoying ... and then you said let me be annoying and drop a changling lol Your scouting is so good.. if i do that, then i don't build anything back at base haha

[@kinggarithos888]

You knew his vikings were coming for ages but didn't leave a few extra corruptors?

[@TheFavorite95]

interesting you chose to include overseers. supririsng you didn't prioritize mass observer earlier in the challenge :P

[@Blockhead7905]

This video is like a lekker patatje.

[@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884]

How do you call a countered hellbat attack? A Heldbat attack. I'll see myself out.

[@matthewsemenuk8953]

I liked the overseer try

[@maniac6655]

please try to cheese Harstem like this xD

[@sorrymyfault9309]

no upgrades are nice but no units, even with upgrades, are nicer

[@TheTodesrolle]

zerg can do terran or protoss unit challanges too xD

[@chrizzvt]

even if he lost it was more fun to watch