I Left Pioneer DJ For This - NI Traktor S4 & Pro 4

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Thozi

Thozi

Күн бұрын

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@audiolab303
@audiolab303 12 күн бұрын
I never understood the U.S. djs fascination with Serato and Pioneer. I've been using Traktor since the beginning and it's always been solid. The controllers are just as good and never a problem with my Kontrol S2.
@dj_paultuk7052
@dj_paultuk7052 Ай бұрын
i moved from pioneer to Denon DJ 5yrs ago. Best move i ever made as a DJ as it allows me to be much more technical in my mixing which suits me. And like you i take my kit with me, even to MoS in london.
@peladoclaus
@peladoclaus Ай бұрын
Denon is dope. I have an old mc6000.. thing is a tank!
@rondorfer9709
@rondorfer9709 Ай бұрын
Yes, I understand both that it has helped you to progress in mixing and that you take the stuff with you when you're DJing, because under certain circumstances you use this device like an instrument, and if you then get into a stressful situation where you don't have your familiar technique, it slows down your workflow, which shapes your style, and that's what distinguishes one from the other, and then you end up in a 41° hot club where you've maybe been freaking out for 4 hours yourself, and then it helps if everything is as it should be and you don't have to "look here and there" somewhere and load crap tracks into the wrong player, if you know what I mean. You're probably getting pretty close to my record box in terms of weight, I mean.
@dj_paultuk7052
@dj_paultuk7052 Ай бұрын
@@peladoclaus I still have a MC7000 as well, kept it as well its pretty amazing even today.
@R.l-p7v
@R.l-p7v 2 ай бұрын
TRAKTOR!!! Gives you more freedom in all aspects! Good choice!
@ramonrichie9683
@ramonrichie9683 Ай бұрын
Haha, yes dissed my DDJ-RR when they stopped "support", very happy with the S4MK3 and TP4. Stems sound awesome as well...
@officiallystuk
@officiallystuk Ай бұрын
I just recently upgraded to this controller from the Mk2 and it’s great. I play with CDJs as well and making the switch back and forth is super easy. And if you play in HID mode the connection with CDJ3000s is unmatched. This new layout they did really worked to bridge that gap.
@RodLevitonMusic
@RodLevitonMusic Ай бұрын
Spot ON about Pioneer and their ridiculous subscription service! Great Review! I subbed your channel because of your honest review. Keep up the great content! Thank you.
@walkerdaniells9537
@walkerdaniells9537 24 күн бұрын
I dont recognize your name but I will from now on! We use the same exact gear and software, but you are one mk ahead of me and I appreciate your down to earth reviews of everything mate. Keep lighting the way
@mmbrown82
@mmbrown82 2 ай бұрын
Right on. Waiting for my S4 MK3 now. It's in the mail and will be here Wednesday!
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
Let’s go 💪🏿🔥
@kudamah
@kudamah 2 ай бұрын
@7:40 VirtualDJ has allowed u to add effects to specific stems since they 1st came out in 2020 with their 1st version of stems. This was 2 years prior to stems splitting being introduced in dj software. The plus side with vdj is that u get all those features using any device from beginner to professional, unlike some other programs that require specific hardware to be able to do it.
@badfoot
@badfoot Ай бұрын
Traktor had stem play since 2015.
@kudamah
@kudamah Ай бұрын
@@badfoot what traktor had was very different from we're talking about today. We're taking a mastered track and then stripping the elements off. Traktor had a special file dealing with real stems which was 4xlarger than a regular mp3 and only worked on Traktor.
@MeePipe
@MeePipe Ай бұрын
​@@kudamahI think badfoot is referring to the fact Traktor has had stem functionality in the software since 2015 (volume, FX, filter applied to each individual stem), ironically it couldn't really be taken advantage of until stem processing became possible 2020 onward because NIs original idea for stems never took off.
@kudamah
@kudamah Ай бұрын
@@MeePipe yeah ... i get that. But to be clear what i was referring to was what was said about traktor being the only dj software today that allows stems fx and i don't mean using a specific stems file, but with using any regular audio file.
@NeilTaylor-wx5sv
@NeilTaylor-wx5sv 2 ай бұрын
Hi, my name is DJ Neil Taylor from South Africa. Love your video. Thanks a lot. Keep well. Regards from Germany.
@profil4e
@profil4e Ай бұрын
NI did have a plan to introduce a subscription plan, that would have added features that are currently in Traktor 4 into Traktor 3. I'm soooooo happy they decided to drop this bs, and simply release a new version of Traktor! Fun fact: you can change the colors of the decks. You can choose from around 9-10 colors. Currently, I have mine set to purple and mint green, they look awesome =D
@FigmentBass
@FigmentBass Ай бұрын
How do you change the colors? Thank you in advance!!!!
@profil4e
@profil4e Ай бұрын
​@@FigmentBass To change the colors of the decks, you need to edit a .JS file (javascript), but it's incredibly easy so you don't need any programming knowledge. I started writing a comment with steps how to do it, but as simple as it is, it turned out too long for youtube, so it would be much better to check out a video here, named "How to change deck colors on Native Instruments Traktor S4 MK3 - English (OSX/Mac) FULL GUIDE" I see that the guy showed exactly how to do it within two minutes, and has a list of all the colors that you can set. Just now I learned that you can also have 4 colors for each individual deck after watching the video I mentioned above Still if you need any further help, let me know. I love shearing this awesome hidden feature with other people. :D
@stuwilldoo7035
@stuwilldoo7035 2 ай бұрын
if you are in touch with NI, ask them when MK4 is coming out, please. MK3 has been out for some time now. With traktor pro 4 out now, and x1 mk3, I am really expecting this to come out soon. I would even expect the MK4 to be an all in one if possible with traktor pro built in and screen. One can dream
@kunai9390
@kunai9390 2 ай бұрын
Let's see what announcements NI makes at NAMM 2025 🤞
@littlefela6889
@littlefela6889 Ай бұрын
Stop dreamin atm. Don’t make over-assumptions on their next release, simply either use traktor now or move onto something else for the moment
@DJBustovski
@DJBustovski Ай бұрын
i doubt this will happen as the mk3 was basically built for pro 4 before pro 4 came out. (already has dedicated stems bnuttons etc) sounds like your hoping for a traktor version of the denon prime 4, however NI have never really been about stand alones
@kunai9390
@kunai9390 Ай бұрын
@@DJBustovski personally I'm hoping for a new s5. no jog wheels, complete stem control etc. The s5 was ahead of its time but the remix stem technology just wasn't there and people hadn't quite adopted the sync/ jog wheel free style of mixing. But if it came out today I think it would be extremely popular. More so than the modular thing they're pushing right now. But that's just me
@gihonmonks
@gihonmonks Ай бұрын
i love my s5
@djzlatan1gh
@djzlatan1gh 2 ай бұрын
Virtual dj is the lowkey best of all time. every feature on other software sits comfortably.
@kunai9390
@kunai9390 2 ай бұрын
Facts!! I was someone who would trash VDJ considering it to be a kind of toy for kids and amateurs. 2 months ago I bought a Numark controller that wasn't compatible with rekordbox and it didn't unlock serato pro so I tried out virtual DJ and I was quite surprised. I'm now a virtual DJ fan for life.
@the_s_c_hammer
@the_s_c_hammer 2 ай бұрын
Before i get my S4 MK3 i had the Pio DDJ-SX2 with Serato but i was not happy with them, now after 5 years im still happy everyday i use my Controller. With my Technics MK7 like Oldschool or DVS, and when i want only Controller with my MP3´s. And i have more Space on my DJ-Desk because the Controller ist not so big and massiv. i love the clean look and not so blinki blinki like other Controllers. Now im waiting to upgrade to Traktor Pro 4 when its in sale. For me its not a must have, but nice to have then.
@brotherdurry
@brotherdurry Ай бұрын
Amazing video mate, its nice to see a review of the s4 mk3 that is relevant with the release traktor pro 4. Absolute legend!
@mholliday3476
@mholliday3476 Ай бұрын
Love my Traktor controller. Big fan of a club standard cdj/djm setup but love the S2, S4 and S8. Nothing beats pioneer imo but this gear is damn close and beats some units def.
@guillermoiglesias3065
@guillermoiglesias3065 16 күн бұрын
Thanks from Spain for the video! May I ask you? This S4 is 5 years old? I mean, do you know if it is plan a new one soon? I mean...should I wait for a new version or go for that. And Pioneer 1000 works with traktor pro 4? Thank you!
@atillix
@atillix Ай бұрын
i love my s4 and pro4. thanks for sharing all my thoughts lol.
@JakeWuntaq
@JakeWuntaq 2 ай бұрын
I love my S4!!! would not trade for anything!
@deadlydunc
@deadlydunc Ай бұрын
I adore my Traktor S3. I used to have an S4 mk1, too. I love how good the sound is and how well it analyses the tracks, 4 track DJing is a pleasure! There is so much good stuff here on offer...Until you rock up at ANY party or ANY club... then you need a USB stick that has been through Rekordbox. Which is a shame but still true. So you either end up double processing everything or fading away from NI.
@weaponlogic
@weaponlogic Ай бұрын
Traktor is amazing fr many Reasons but my favourite thing about traktor is How creative you can get with it. And I think these days with Many Dj's Streaming and not necessarily playing clubs having that ability to be a bit more arty and creative with your mixing and your set is more valuable than being Club ready. That said whatever you are playing on, enjoy it own it and have fun mixing.
@hvxcolors396
@hvxcolors396 Ай бұрын
Traktor was my first DJ software but I had to switch to Serato because Traktor refused to implement parallel waveforms, which is for me still an amazing feature. Then I switched to EngineDJ because Serato refused to move to self contained controllers. EngineDJ is amazing, it is for the moment missing technical mixing but I foresee that they will integrate at one point with their MPC software.
@jamesrusselltube
@jamesrusselltube Ай бұрын
Nice and simple explination. Thanks for the vid 🤙
@Seth69Jazz
@Seth69Jazz 9 күн бұрын
awe mfethu, does it work lukka for the stem controls on Traktor 4 or do we have to remap those settings?
@Mossytube
@Mossytube Ай бұрын
now, have you finally notice the sound quality increase, from pioneer stuff?
@everything777
@everything777 Ай бұрын
I've got the ddj flx10 and it's needlessly big. It also has glaring multi coloured lights and the overall look is a bit gauche
@dj_jx
@dj_jx 29 күн бұрын
Hey, im about to get that one, how much better than DDJ 1000 is ? For sure is better than S4.
@cosmicbaggy9637
@cosmicbaggy9637 Ай бұрын
NI always had fantastic hardware. software has lagged behind after being light years ahead. lets see what they do going forward... Currently, i'm more interested in DJay Pro which is waaaaay advanced than any other software out there rn....
@cristian_mocanu
@cristian_mocanu 2 ай бұрын
I have Rane Four, and I use it with Serato pro and Virtual DJ, the controller has Stem Split function
@Flont
@Flont 2 ай бұрын
6:10 you can just tap the tempo, right? Not in the software but maybe on ur phone or in FL
@dj_jx
@dj_jx 29 күн бұрын
I've been working as a DJ since 1989. Most so-called "professionals" weren't even born yet. I've been through everything. From cassette decks to the latest controllers on the market. For me personally, the best DJ software is Traktor, but the best controllers are from Pioneer. I sold my S4 MK3 and bought a DDJ 1000 which is many times better than the S4 MK3. It also works perfectly with Traktor pro 3 and now 4. Of course, everything had to be mapped. This is my personal opinion. The S4 MK3 doesn't even come close to the DDJ 1000. Waiting my Pioneer DJ DDJ-FLX10 to arrive, so i can share my experience with it too.
@BenCaesar
@BenCaesar 19 күн бұрын
This has XLR output which is making me look at it, price range is similar but pioneer doesn't have this
@johannesmojela7375
@johannesmojela7375 Ай бұрын
You should try denon prime 4+ next 👌
@Curt.S_Official
@Curt.S_Official 2 ай бұрын
Just did the same thing. I owned a DDJ-1000 and S4 mk3 and I sold the 1000
@MeePipe
@MeePipe Ай бұрын
Stumbled on your video, great watch 👍
@vitornunes6379
@vitornunes6379 Ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for you video, I leave five requests to Native Instruments put on a new controller S4: add another knob on the equalization line, which we can control the equalization Type Xone or if we use only three-band equalization that new knob is use for panning! The channel faders should work more smoothly. The channel faders should have a longer travel, now they are 45mm, they should be minimum 55mm. The crossfader should be optional. What do you think?
@NueNueKiro
@NueNueKiro Ай бұрын
When N.I tried to cater to the techno crowd they really failed big time, just look at the S8, S5 and D2, which were very techno oriented devices. I personally think if you really want the xone experience, just get a xone, the integration with 96 is spot on (let's remember that xone 96 was leaked from traktor of all places because there were some references in the code before it was actually released). Also, the xone EQ emulation is pretty trash compared to the real thing, unlike the filter emulation. Personally i never had a problem with the length and tension of the faders, but yet again that's probably a taste thing, since my channel A and B have loosened over time because of the way I play with quick cuts and stabs. Regarding the crossfader, it's going to be more expensive to have 2 units produced, one with and one without. Since they try to cater to a wider audience I think the presence of the crossfader is a wise move. I would love to include again an innofader as standard for those who want to actually use it (the Z2 was the 1st OEM implementation of this fader so I don't see why it can't be on this one as well)
@djvitornunes
@djvitornunes Ай бұрын
Thank you, about professional soft faders: operation with some Penny & Giles or Alps take me to another level so it's true I don't want anything less!
@bitangayves2125
@bitangayves2125 Ай бұрын
Sounds Ike a cool controller !! I have been using the Hercules dj control inpulse 500 at bars, clubs, events and festivals, with virtual Dj pro. Kinda li'ited on the effects , but still pretty damn good. Might try this one 😮😮
@rondorfer9709
@rondorfer9709 Ай бұрын
hi Thozi and first of all to the bro who switched from Pioneer to Denon, I understand you completely, unfortunately Denon is not a club standard and five years ago Denon was definitely the better hardware but I don't understand why Pioneer prevailed so much but whatever that's the start, here's a little comment, Thozi, if you want, I have 2-3 things that simplify the workflow in Traktor Instant (again, just speaking from my point of view but maybe it helps) if you want, then answer me I also want to stress again with the following comment that I don't want to exclude, insult, belittle anyone there are "PlayStation types and Xbox types" and that's how it is when DJing too Great video and I warmly welcome you to the Native family. For me it's the other way around. I've been installing Pioneer hardware in my DJ setup for the first time for a few weeks now, in the form of an xdj.1000 MK3 I borrowed AlienHeath and the Pioneer A9 because I somehow decided: "I need a Pioneer mixer too". But I've been playing fine scratch since 2008 and vinyl for even longer, so I have high demands on the mixer and the mixer I'm looking for has to be able to integrate and process all possible types and sources like the A9, and since I noticed during setup that the mixer I need is the one I already have, the S.4 MK3 + MACBOOK and audio midi setup The A9 is a mixer (approx. $2500) that can do what Native users have always been able to do. But we need the laptop, which is fine with me. The truth is that you would also have to buy the Mac in addition to the S4 (approx. $900 + $1500 for the Mac...airM3 16GB) so they are not that different in terms of price and if you want to make music at a certain level, in my opinion there are only versions of the original in terms of the engine and timecode technology and everything else from Pioneer is a makeshift in my opinion. I also realise that it is always a question of money and for a bit of fun at home or at a party with friends there are definitely much cheaper versions. I used to travel around with a record case at the weekend. Try carrying 80 records around with you. 🤭🫨You could have just stuck a MacBook between the records, I wouldn't have noticed. A few weeks is not much time to really draw a final conclusion. To put it this way: what I noticed about Pioneer DJ is that they place a lot of emphasis on the organisation of the library and primarily on calculating the best-fitting tracks, but in my eyes that is the core competence of the DJ and of course the internal effects, if you want them. In general, you can say that if you are up for a bit of homework, equipping the tracks with effects and loops and structuring the set from A to Z, use Pioneer. It will help you learn these steps faster and more innovatively. Are you a classic DJ who is currently innovative in transferring to the dance floor and reacting to the moment? And also if you think you want to integrate additional sources to maintain the original character of mixing or in German "Auflegen", then go for native. Yes and secondly I think you have already suggested something like that, if you talk about Pioneer and Traktor as computer games, Pioneer is definitely payto WIN T his has been translated with Google I hope you can understand it so in this sense raise your hands weekend
@johnsuggs7828
@johnsuggs7828 21 күн бұрын
Just copped the upgrade on Guitar Center for under 40
@Engineeer
@Engineeer Ай бұрын
Pioneer's killer feature is their Rekordbox ecosystem. As of my knowledge, Virtual DJ seems to be the only DJ software besides Rekordbox, which allows you to directly export full featured CDJ USB sticks. This said, I am excluding software and cloud services which are is not designed to DJ with. Also, last time I checked, Virtual DJ can only export memory cues as copies from hot cues. This means that memory cues and hot cues must be at the same position. Please correct me, if this has been changed in newer versions of Virtual DJ. Pioneer's USB stick dominance today is not much different from Microsoft's .doc file dominance in the 90's. If you want full compatibility to the professional standard without jumping through hoops, you have to go with their products. I think CDJ USB export is the key feature to have in order to gain significant market share. NI should work on this and way more people would buy their gear and software.
@merlinlepper
@merlinlepper Ай бұрын
DJCU is the way I found to convert your playlists with all the meta data (key/beat grid/etc AND cue points) from Traktor. It has a few shortcomings that I’ve found such as only being available for macOS, cue points will only show up as memory points when using CDJ-900nxs. I think from 2000’s onwards they show up as cue points. Definitely do on XDJ-1000 mk2’s. Also, the DJCU only converts the playlists, so you still need to use Rekordbox (free) to export to a USB, at which point you can modify the cue point’s colours/names/etc, include all the CDJ preferences, sync back and fourth. It sounds complicated, and yes it’s jumping through a couple of hoops to get there, but that conversion utility makes it actually reallllly easy. :) and you end up with a PIONEER formatted drive that you can gig with! :) It’s a one time fee paid app, but it’s not overly expensive and if you need this functionality, you’ll use it all the time :) Google ‘DJCU’ or ‘and the groove remains’ or follow the link below. atgr-production-team.sellfy.store/p/emuy/ Personally, I’ve used the S4 for the past year and I love it and Tracktor. I do plan on getting a Mini club standard setup (2x XDJ 1000 mk2’s and a DJM 750 mk2) for home eventually……when I can afford and justify the $$$ 😭😅😊
@Engineeer
@Engineeer Ай бұрын
@merlinlepper Correct. It's for Mac only, though.
@DjJohn.C
@DjJohn.C 2 ай бұрын
Great to see an objective opinion and a move to Traktor. TP4 is my daily and club ride of choice. Traktor really doesn't get the air time it deserves. @thozi if your new new to the software I'm always willing to help.
@Corruptness
@Corruptness Ай бұрын
I made the mistake of getting a DDJ 1000 for Rekordbox a while back, it just sat there i never used it cos Rekordbox is trash, traded it all in and now i'm looking for a new controller. I was almost interested in this until you showed me how slow the Stems is. So far Algoriddim djay has been winning me over, it's sub based, but seems worth it, just can't find the right controller.
@dj_jx
@dj_jx 29 күн бұрын
Well use DDJ 1000 with traktor 3 or 4 now. If you need the mappings i can gave them to you. DDJ 1000 work at 100% with traktor pro 3 and 4. We all know that traktor is better software than recordbox.
@The813Lifestyle
@The813Lifestyle 25 күн бұрын
What’s going down my guy!!!?? 😎😎. Great Review!!!! I had one a while back and had an issue using it as my mixer with my 1200s. The Gain on the Channels dedicated to my Techs. Was turned all the way up and still didn’t work out that well. I couldn’t match the outputs. I’m heading over to my local shop to pick one up. But I completely agree!!! I absolutely HAVE to have moving platters. As a Vinyl List! It’s just a feel and just being able to see them moving that lets it work in my head if that makes sense!! Anyway, my question my guy is what microphone are you using? It sounds Crystal Clear and you don’t even have on a vibration hoistthinking in advance wanna go ahead and hit that subscribe button thank you very much.
@The813Lifestyle
@The813Lifestyle 25 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂 I guess I should start getting a better understanding on how KZbin works. I got it!!! Thx again nnn
@djkeviekevbx
@djkeviekevbx 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Very informative.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
🙏🏿
@djdsik_dharmshala
@djdsik_dharmshala Ай бұрын
Bro…I never noticed that bpm changes in a track when it’s slow or fast. Is that a new feature of pro 4? I am using pro 3 till now. If there is any setting for that please let me know. I have installed pro 4 and can try the demo version. Also pro Traktor is king of djing. I have made one key effects for multiple effects. Once you reach there, you will be amazed to know what you can do with Traktor. I am a huge fan of Traktor. I drive a VW car and it’s a German. I love it and now a German software. lol ….. Love from India
@anujverma497
@anujverma497 Ай бұрын
Its in pro 4 but its not worth it to be honest. Pioneer did a good job of griding but djay pro is the king in terms of grid. In few years djay pro will become the standard and most advanced dj software.
@djdsik_dharmshala
@djdsik_dharmshala Ай бұрын
@@anujverma497 bro thanks for your comment. But when you see Traktor's customizations, you will be surprised.
@anujverma497
@anujverma497 Ай бұрын
@@djdsik_dharmshala Don’t get me wrong brother. I am a traktor Dj i own s3, x1mk3 & recently ordered z1mk3. I am sticking with traktor and i mix by ear so this new feature specifically flexible grid is not upto the mark, rest all the customisation and other features are way worth more than any software in the market. Traktor for life man.
@djdsik_dharmshala
@djdsik_dharmshala Ай бұрын
@@anujverma497, bro, you are a real DJ if you mix by ear. (RESPECT) I am still the sync person. However, I have made one key effect in Traktor. It activates three effects with just one single key press on the laptop. Very soon, I will upload a video doing that.
@alphaza76
@alphaza76 Ай бұрын
Great video. The S4 mk3 is a great controller, but I dont get why it has spining jog wheels since this is not really a good controller for scratch DJs. The crossfader is pretty bad (and not end-user replaceable) and jog wheels really dont feel great for scratching - not to mention how small they are. Spinning platters are for hip-hop/scratch DJs...... they should have really gone the extra mile with a better, user-replaceable crossfader.
@kaj1992
@kaj1992 26 күн бұрын
Not forever m8 i have a x1 mk1 that is not working on newer macbooks..
@雨宮和希
@雨宮和希 2 ай бұрын
I'm worried that NI is going to have their next gen S4 controller thinking that it might not be a good time to purchase one now. If you have connection with them please confirm this.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
Hmm, they might be, I do have a connect there but even if they did tell me that, I would not be allowed to tell anyone, I think 😅. I think if you can maybe try getting a 2nd hand unit? That way you don’t have to spend a lot, and also, if a next gen comes out soon after, you can easily sell it without much loss
@雨宮和希
@雨宮和希 2 ай бұрын
@@thozimusic I wish... But for the warranty and the condiction of brand new unit vs the owned ones, I decided it's betterr to get it new instead of 2nd handed. I really wish they could address it since they've done the update to the software recently, which is a clear sign of them still taking care of their DJing customers. Or they could release a hugely updated version with a pice hike like Abletone Push 2 vs Push 3. That way I'll be very happy to get a previous gen (mk3) brand new since the S4 mk3 is already a perfect controller for me. Anyway nice video, it's good to see people and their company still caring about this product line.
@prokopioskoukoulakis1926
@prokopioskoukoulakis1926 2 ай бұрын
The problem with NI will stop upgrading software for their controllers after a certain amount of years and without those updates the controller will loose all the cool features in NI software that are specially made for their controllers. For example my Komplete keyboard S49 I bought about 7years are no more going to get any new updates to be compatible with Komplete 3.0 software.
@DjangoFlaherty
@DjangoFlaherty 2 ай бұрын
My friend has an S4 Mk2 and it works with stems and the new step sequencer. If the controller suits your needs, why wait?
@kunai9390
@kunai9390 2 ай бұрын
NAMM is only a few months away. I'd say wait and see if any announcements happen at NAMM about a new controller and if there aren't then it's probably safe to assume that there won't be one for at least another year.
@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo
@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo Ай бұрын
where are you from , your accent is so intriguing ! at first i hear a lot of Singaporean english accent and then i hear a bit of american .
@thozimusic
@thozimusic Ай бұрын
I am South African 😅
@grizeldiSLO
@grizeldiSLO 2 ай бұрын
I don't know man. Most of the advantages of Traktor over Rekordbox you listed don't really exist: Rekordbox supported dynamic beat grids since forever. When manually adjusting a track's BPM, you can make a cut at a certain point in track and then set a different BPM after that point. There is even an option for automatic analysis with variable bpm in the settinga, but the results it produces are a bit questionable. Applying effects to only a certain stem also definitely is a thing, it's the whole selling point of FLX10. I haven't tried, as I mostly play on a FLX10, but I assume it could also be MIDI mapped onto other controllers. There is no sequencer in RB to my knowledge though, so if programming drums on the fly is your thing, then Traktor may actually be better. Personally I just use an external drum machine in those rare cases when I think I'll need to make custom drum loops on the fly.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
Hmm, I feel you. I guess with the dynamic beat grid I should have specified that on Traktor it’s a rather easy and seamless process. About the effects, I don’t think you understand, it isn’t a feature on a controller, but available on the software even if there isn’t a controller connected. Also, keep in mind that the S4 is an old controller, but still didn’t need remapping. The step sequencer is an actual game changer, it has now been made available on RB through the GRV controller, but as far as I know, it only does loops and not actual steps, and since rekordbox stems are just bad, the feature is wasted (at least for now). In my opinion, the only advantage that Rekordbox (and of course pioneer/alpha theta) have over the competition is that they’re at every club and event and we just HAVE to use their gear. But other than that, the competition has caught up. I have been experimenting with the Denon DJ stuff recently and maaan, those guys are actually pioneering 😅
@grizeldiSLO
@grizeldiSLO 2 ай бұрын
@@thozimusic Don't get me wrong, I'd switch away from Pioneer in a heartbeat if other soft/hardware bothered supporting memory cues 😅 Everyone but Pioneer thinks of them as a legacy feature and supports conversion to hot cues at best, but personally I love them for quickly finding where to start my track from. Stems on an S4 don't need remapping because long before stems were a thing in most software, traktor was trying to push an audio format, where you'd buy music from artists that was already split into stems with no need for separation in the DJ software. It didn't catch on, but functionality was already there on old controllers for when traktor 4 added stem splitting. Rekordbox didn't have any stem functionality before the FLX10 release. Groove Circuit is just a new marketing name for the existing sampler + drum stem mute with a new coat of paint on top. It's unfortunately still far from a proper sequencer.
@Complexautist
@Complexautist Ай бұрын
Dont blame you, for many different reasons, i thought yeah, nice gear but the conpany sucks.
@peladoclaus
@peladoclaus Ай бұрын
Traktor is developed by dj/producer nerds. Pioneer has a committee that tells some non performing/producer nerds what to code. Completely different mindset and it really shows. Pioneer makes really solid gear and bad software (3000's are just ultimate butter for hardware) I have pain with rekordbox, whereas Traktor just always works, it's been the superior player for decades. I midi mapped an apc40 to play with Traktor before. Traktor is just better and not a little bit better.
@iamdavidrosalie
@iamdavidrosalie 2 ай бұрын
Now the Rekordbox stems is on par with Serato with the latest update
@eltechnica
@eltechnica 2 ай бұрын
If they sent you the controller, then you are affiliated as you are reviewing their product for free. But whatevs.
@MichałBrydziński-z1l
@MichałBrydziński-z1l Ай бұрын
Dużo fajnych informacji, szkoda tylko że cały ten postęp technologiczny sprowadza muzykę nie do sztuki DJ's tylko do umiejętności programowania, przewidywania etc. Gdzie w tym wszystkim zabawa i improwizacja?
@GoodEarSounds
@GoodEarSounds 2 ай бұрын
Good video bro, You are back to FLX4, We are friends now😂😂 welcome back.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
😂😂let’s go 💪🏿
@djteneyez7414
@djteneyez7414 2 ай бұрын
rekordbox stem 2.0 is a game changer however I get your point!
@UnemployableFakeGuru
@UnemployableFakeGuru Ай бұрын
Did the same thing.
@MartinKalabaneng
@MartinKalabaneng 2 ай бұрын
A giveaway please know 🙏 Just saying😁
@badynoitsme
@badynoitsme Ай бұрын
You just need better PC and that tasks are CPU heavy for that rendering stuff in Traktor Pro 4 yes maybe its not optimized well but still :D when i analyzed tracks on Macbook Air M1 in rekordbox it took too long 100 tracks 2 hours , Ryzen 5 5600 - 4 minutes ? :D :D Desktop is still better and cheaper .
@thozimusic
@thozimusic Ай бұрын
I have a gaming pc with a 5600X too, it just makes sense to use a laptop for DJing cause I won’t be able to take the pc to a gig
@DJDREXTV
@DJDREXTV 2 ай бұрын
Ain't this not a far comparison.... 1000 is kinda old
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
Lol not really, this came out the same year as the 1000
@Alex-yd7uv
@Alex-yd7uv 2 ай бұрын
lol same. 2 weeks ago
@punchilux5783
@punchilux5783 2 ай бұрын
I used traktor for years. So happy to be in the pioneer ecosystem now. Took a second to get the workflow down inside rekordbox, now I prefer it. Traktor was getting so annoying with folders that never close.
@Akemi2_1
@Akemi2_1 2 ай бұрын
You’re comparing this to the 1000 that’s incorrect. Pioneer stopped making the 1000 forever ago dude. The flx10 in the replacement and has been the replacement for the 1000 for a while. It’s a disservice to create videos like this without explicitly stating if you want to play anywhere outside your bedroom, buy pioneer. They have a grip on the industry and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Traktors gear around the world doesn’t see anywhere besides the bedroom. Pioneer prices the way they do because they can and their products are the way they are because the whole thing with pioneer is getting you club ready. To be a “real dj” The illogical criticism is silly.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
Hey, I think it’s a bit funny that you’re treating your personal views as facts! I’m comparing it to the 1000 because, well, that’s what I’ve been using-and they actually came out the same year, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to there. 😅 Also, I mention in the video that I take my controller to private parties-there are plenty of DJs who do this, and it’s definitely not limited to the bedroom! Zedd, for example, takes his Traktor setup to events like Ultra, which is far from a bedroom👀 At the end of the day, it’s all about making decisions based on what works best for you-not just because one company “has a grip on the industry.” Gotta think beyond that! And, fun fact, Laidback Luke doesn’t even touch Pioneer gear because he’s found what works for him. You think he’d be where he is if he had the same mentality? 😏 Plus, owning a Traktor doesn’t mean you can’t play at clubs using Pioneer gear. Trust me, you don’t lose your ability to beatmatch just because you switch brands! 😂👀 Lastly, I’d be doing a disservice as a content creator if I only recommended one brand. That wouldn’t be fair to anyone watching! Thank you but….chill😂
@masterbond9
@masterbond9 Ай бұрын
native instruments has their own issues, but pioneer, and alphatheta to a point, is just straight up overrated. ive looked into many pioneer dj products, ive downloaded rekordbox, i think i even messed around with the cdj2000s in a store once. which, did you know that the 15 year old cdj 2000s still go for $1k each on the used market? and on top of that, there are not many changes to the designs of even the 2 refreshes to the cdj2000s. the features of the 3000 shouldve come on the NXS2. i mean, its great that the 2000s have survived for as long as they have, but still, there comes a certain point where a lack of innovation just stifles the creativity and innovation of the art of DJing.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic Ай бұрын
At this point, we are paying for the name, my friend.
@masterbond9
@masterbond9 Ай бұрын
@@thozimusic yup, pretty much
@pharkasj
@pharkasj 2 ай бұрын
4:00 I don't understand whats wrong with that? If you buy any other car without heathed seats,but you need it, the conversion will be expensive and the result won't be factory level. If you buy that BMW without this option, you can still get it later.
@thozimusic
@thozimusic 2 ай бұрын
My friend, they give you a car with heated seats and then turn the feature off, and then charge you to turn it on, you don’t see a problem with that? 😂… it costs them $0 to turn it on and they don’t need to service it or anything. There’s a reason why they ended up cancelling the thing, it’s bad business practice
@pharkasj
@pharkasj 2 ай бұрын
@@thozimusic That is not the point. Why would anyone order a new BMW with heated seats , if they could just ask them to turn it on for free a week later?
@vdglife
@vdglife 2 ай бұрын
​@@pharkasj You wouldn't be able to turn it on for free. It is a subscription they were charging $18 per month for. Who knows if they add on additional charges like activation fees, State Fees, Federal Fees, etc. Once you add in all the charges it would have been cheaper to get the seats converted.
@pharkasj
@pharkasj 2 ай бұрын
@@vdglife There is no monthly fee if you buy the car with this extra . Other manufacturers offer 2 options : buy the car with heated seats or convert it. BMW gave you this 3rd one.
@vdglife
@vdglife 2 ай бұрын
@@pharkasj But you still payed for the seats. they are just removing the option. Here is a better way to explain it. If you were to purchase car seats without the heating the seats would be $1000 for the pair. For heated seats it is $2000 for the pair including installation. With BMW you are still paying the $2000 for the seats but not having the option to use the heating even though you paid for it. In addition it is a subscription, not a one time additional charge, that would cost more than the seats cost in the long run. There is a lot more that subscription for car features can cause issues with. However in the end it is just a way for BMW (and other car companies) to take more money from you and provide you with less.
@SoChilledOutGuy
@SoChilledOutGuy 2 ай бұрын
okay but traktor cant do vjing
@djwayloop3224
@djwayloop3224 Ай бұрын
Stem separater software unostems
@pauldolman7487
@pauldolman7487 Ай бұрын
f the subscription
@stuart1409
@stuart1409 Ай бұрын
Stems are rubbish, just play and mix the songs how they’re supposed to be with no stupid loops or effects
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