I Lied

[@kitcw]

I can't believe Ludwig and Mogul Mail would lie to us, Ludwin would never do this

[@bennett1489]

can we let ludwin rest in peace it was good for a day

[@Dabyrd]

fr

[@piplupdabest]

Who is ludwig

[@jordantomney3360]

@@bennett1489 Ludwin will live forever!

[@PandaWitAGun]

i miss ludwin 😔

[@aurow7418]

really appreciate this Lud. Even though the majority of these are more like "updates" than "I was wrong", it still shows a lot of character to make sure you get the story as correct as you can within your ability

[@stopitgoaway]

Wow ur not even a true fan his name is mogul mail >:((((((

[@cameronbulmer936]

who the fuck is Lud

[@user-ck4fm7os1w]

Bru that's mogul mail not Ludwig

[@taxidrivernwo]

He wasn’t wrong? Go watch the video on miz again. Repeated all of Train and XQCs allegations like confirmed fact and left out Mayas name from the entire video.

[@Loannes8468]

It’s really to save him in the long run. People don’t understand that these can come back at you if not being told the truth. He made this video because someone said something believe me or you don’t idc

[@DCfreerunner]

It's absolutely mind blowing that a streamer has more journalistic integrity than the professional media outlets.

[@_Matchu]

LMAO

[@Glenhh]

@@_Matchu Have you ever read an article that was wrong and tried to get a correction? I doubt it because you wouldn’t say LMAO if you did.

[@DCfreerunner]

@@Glenhh preciate you defending me from the brain rot

[@NoName-sv6iy]

Clown world 🤡

[@eatingdirt4]

@@NoName-sv6iy nice pfp :)

[@Sonofdonn]

Being able to be transparent and confront slip-ups is definitely something that is lacking amongst popular streamers and public figures. Thanks for being one of the few decent streamers out there that does this Lud! Happy New Year!

[@hxise3889]

Lud? Who is Lud?

[@edwardedward9]

Hey, just letting you know your autocorrect is broken. It's Mogul Mail, not Lud :)

[@youraveragegamer8832]

It's also lacking among journalists

[@KalamariFromTheParty]

It’s not a slip up, it’s spreading non fact checked misinformation …

[@Lamukra]

@@youraveragegamer8832 )😊

[@nickschrock6135]

Imagine if the news did a weekly correction/update. The honesty might fix the mistrust that’s developed. Ludwig leading the way!

[@rileylewisdolan]

Newspapers literally do publish corrections every new issue, and reputable news cites do it too on their articles

[@thatonephilguy]

They do. Regularly.

[@GC-ps9mn]

Do you watch the nightly news? Not the editorial shows but the 6:30 broadcast network slots (or 6:00 for PBS)? They do corrections on the next show if they've gotten something wrong.

[@oo0OAO0oo]

@@thatonephilguy but not as a summary. I wouldn't read every now corrected article again.

[@project5877]

@@GC-ps9mn The problem is that so many people now associate op ed's or talk shows with being actual news that is all fact based even though the very name of it says otherwise. Too many people have essentially become lazy with news and assume anything from a news site must all be the same as an investigative journalism piece that was months in the making.

[@kulk3667]

I just told my whole family about the Tate situation, you better have not bullshitted me here Mogul.

[@Username-mq8no]

You lied

[@nicholas6836]

@@Username-mq8no not really

[@piplupdabest]

@@nicholas6836 You lied

[@kalem6298]

Seems like you jumped the gun and mentioned it so it’s on you lmaooo

[@nicholas6836]

@@piplupdabest nooooo

[@peternguyen9480]

Wow Mogul mail admitting his mistakes is great....if only he could fix that guy Ludwig

[@Leoooo._.1.-.1]

What is this reply section 😂

[@conaldeugenepeterson2147]

@@Leoooo._.1.-.1 sadly it’s every reply section of any channel with above 500k. Now the bots are liking the other bots.

[@jadendumars2587]

He didnt make a mistake with mizkif,he just didnt care

[@girafee3454]

@@jadendumars2587 Yes he did, he said this is Mizkif talking way to candidly about sexual assault, which is false because when Mizkif was speaking he said sexual harassment and that’s all that he knew of the case at that time. It’s still not right, and Lud said that, but he was still wrong

[@jadendumars2587]

@@girafee3454 im agreeing with you, i just think ludwig was just bad faith in general with miz. the corrections he made in this video uses inofrmation from streams that were available at the time of his original video on miz, hes also bad faith because he went the whole video without mentioning maya,also bad faith because he didnt mention how miz in that clip is replying to a chatter that thinks slick committed rape

[@impliqued1910]

Ludwig is like "i lied, i'm so sorry guys" meanwhile every other media source being 400% more evil.

[@cloroxart]

Good point

[@potatopilot16]

@griffy ye shut up

[@chupppy2086]

Technically he only got detained

[@megami215]

Cause it gives him another video to make money on. Has nothing to do with his nonexistent morals

[@moe5177]

Can you stop confusing Mogul for Ludwig? They're two completely different people. /s

[@Erinski]

You may not be a journalist, but you're better at publishing retractions than most journalists are. I mean putting a click-baity title on a retraction, so it has a chance to go just as viral as an error, is commendable.

[@Battlefox64_RL]

I think it's a weird president to set to say, "it's okay to lie to us as long as you make a follow-up video at the end of the year correcting your errors."

[@Erinski]

@@Battlefox64_RL I think it's a weird *precedent* to quantify honest errors as lying. This is obviously an incorrect assessment, which is what makes the title clickbait, but in a good way.

[@kasaruukii]

I don't even watch Ludwig much but the fact that he wants to correct things in the past is a good look. Good on you Ludwig.

[@MillionBoyLuc]

Probably because he does not want people to not care to watch cap

[@heuheuheu5758]

this is not ludwig, this is mogul mail

[@jakehead20]

Fact checking yourself is a top tier move. Many people usually say their opinions about news as soon as they come out, whether said news might be accurate or not. It's not a bad thing, but then there will be issues of misinformation. Being able to look back and revisit topics in hindsight when more information usually can be found is always a good thing.

[@daniellima4391]

Is always a good thing until you compare views on "looking back on old videos and fact checking" and "ANDREW TATE JUST GOT ARRESTED"

[@cornheadahh]

I think it's still bad to not do fact checking before and promoting misinformation. As the saying goes A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting it's shoes on. Granted most of these are just people changing their mind on things and not outright lies. I think the pizza box story was the most easy to fact check though. The only evidence was a tweet from some random twitter use.

[@theAlex2577]

@@cornheadahh the pizza box was only disproven by the romanian police today and technically it did kinda help since they were monitoring his socials and that pizza box was more proof he was in the country

[@isoSw1fty]

@@cornheadahh I 100% agree and this doesn't sit right with me at all. Fact check before you fan a flame to your millions of viewers. Influencers should have accountability.

[@DoctorOaks]

@@cornheadahh You always run into the issue of "I want to present this to my audience" where you then make a video, use all the facts you have at that time, and then present the video to the audience BEFORE other relevant information comes to light. Sometimes when you tackle a story that you think has all the facts out there, and it doesn't yet. It happens a lot in news as a general thing, but that doesn't make it a good thing. A lot of news outlets that try to report on things as quickly as possible will give out a report before all the information comes to light. Getting things like someone's age/name pronunciation wrong is not great though. I'll commend him for correcting things later though since that's more than 90% of any news source would be willing to do.

[@cloroxart]

I can’t believe mogul mail would lie to us. Guess I’m going back to Ludwig

[@cloroxart]

@griffy ye wow thanks 💀

[@isabella16939]

Ludwig's dead. You gotta learn to let go 😞

[@WatchingVideos107]

I really respect that he’s willing to actually admit that he made mistakes in his videos instead of ignoring them and pretending like they don’t exist.

[@Cowabungas]

Dude made a whole hit piece on Mizkif based on incorrect information that did irreparable damage to his career then tucks away a "oopsy my bad I was wrong" in the middle of this Tate video. If I was a streamer I wouldn't trust anybody, they seemed like genuine friends. Sheesh.

[@findalkits5255]

@GoblinGod How can you even say Train didn't even make him look bad? Train Mitch and even Adrianah lied about the whole thing to get Mizkif and Maya cancelled. What Mizkif said on his alt stream was true, Adrianah did not care because she even called the whole Slick thing "Stupid" before Train made the tweet. She wanted to party with Slick even after what he did. That means they didn't care

[@jadendumars2587]

@@findalkits5255 Theres a bunch of misinformed people out there when it comes to these allegations

[@daybrake2]

im really glad you're talking about how the pizza box ISN'T the reason he got arrested. i hate the guy, but it has been frustrating for me to see the pizza box story perpetrated and believed by so many just because its an interesting narrative

[@chefgoldblum1450]

I was for sure perpetuating and repeating that rumor because it's funny as fuck and a human trafficker deserves to be mocked and bullied, and so does the fanbase of said human trafficker, misogynist mistake of a human being.

[@Krush4you]

I agree... I was saying right after people came out saying that that I don't think that it was the pizza box video. It takes time to get a warrant more or less 5 warrants for 5 different locations for 4 people.

[@sativadominant7914]

Why do you hate Andre Tate tho ;-;..

[@daybrake2]

@@sativadominant7914 lmao

[@jimlucas0]

@@sativadominant7914 because he's a scammer who doesn't care for you and never will

[@Frank7489]

A lot of them don’t sound like lies. They sound like updates

[@Ryan-cb1ei]

The biggest lie in this video is when he said that journalists supposedly follow a code of ethics. Ha, what a joke

[@TheFinalFarewell]

@@Ryan-cb1ei I think the last time we saw true honest journalism was when photographers went out and documented the Great Deoression

[@IronLotus15]

Well, "I Lied" sounds a whole lot better than "I have an Update" :p

[@AkiraIsMissing]

@@Ryan-cb1ei the fact you don't distinguish between media journalist and independent journalist is interesting to me. Makes me feel like you don't actually know what your talking about

[@Reverae]

Can you give me some examples of good sources?

[@ArcturusOW]

Honestly I don’t care if you made mistakes or not, it happens. I like this kind of video, like a yearly review almost. I just think this sort of video works well, wish more creators would do this kind of thing because it was rather enjoyable to watch, that being said I can’t believe Mogul Mail would lie blatantly to all of us. Shameful. Even Ludwig, I can’t believe you’ve done this

[@lemonaus8871]

It's not about whether you care or not. It matters because there is huge amount of responsibility when reporting a story to millions of people that it is 100% correct. Reputations can be destroyed, and many bad things can happen. Obviously it depends on what is being reported, but when it comes to delicate matters it is so important to get everything correct, as there is so much at stake if you are wrong.

[@asap4bri]

@@lemonaus8871 6:56 prime example of that

[@epicmonkeydrunk]

Thats very gullible, dont ever vote

[@bigshark9567]

@@lemonaus8871 couldn’t agree more

[@ExiledVessel]

Could be done monthly with how much miss information gets spread on top of how much drama seems to come out of the woodwork of 2022.

[@millermichael]

Can’t believe mogul mail killed ludwig and lied to us. Ludwin would never do this.

[@stanclark8824]

😂🤣💀

[@Algorythmfpv]

Even though the pizza box was irrelevant, Can we talk about Gretta's second ratio with the "this is why you recycle your pizza boxes" tweet. LOL

[@GEMTelemaco]

It's really crazy to me how many people still think mizkif and Maya blackmailed Adriana into silence when even Adriana at the time didn't know if slick had sexually assaulted or sexually harassed her due to the fact that she wasn't conscious when it occurred. Don't really understand how Miz was expected to know which one happened when the victim didn't know either until later.

[@gogananation]

this is the new narrative a lot of people are clearing everyone with. My guess is that Maya still had a bias toward Slick's side of things as one of her friends and that got overblown into thinking it was some big coverup. Based on what Adrianah initially said, it still seems like some protection toward slick was present. who knows though, story is super convoluted

[@user-tp6ho4un2c]

@@gogananation how was Slick protected? The same story last year was the same story that came out this year. Adrina was caught lying already so her word means nothing.

[@jadendumars2587]

@@user-tp6ho4un2c kyle is her witness,he was changing the story.he even lied about maya coming over unnanounced.

[@jadendumars2587]

@@user-tp6ho4un2c adrianah flip flopped like crazy about maya and how she feels about the slick situation. i think she just likes the attention and is just colluding with train to take miz down

[@taxidrivernwo]

Adrianah and her friend both explicitly stated not sexual assault. They were even buddying up to him in my chat, said he shouldn’t be cancelled, and were at parties with him after. Adrianah was specifically mad miz who didn’t even know her before any of this didn’t invite her to his birthday. Actual reason was cause she was grabbing cyrs crotch on sixth street.

[@PlaceNz]

Its okay to be wrong at times, your intentions seem always true to who you are. Good to see you are planning to hold yourself accountable.

[@counterfeit4450]

the bots are becoming self aware D:

[@DevinEDB]

Wouldn't say that

[@lorcanzo2498]

@@counterfeit4450 I’ve seen this before so much and now think this is a bot comment

[@bravingbrivatebrian]

Nah he ran with the bs pizza story along with every other rage bait bot on the internet. That being said nobody so rely on Ludwig to be informed.

[@pauldexterdolientas9767]

p

[@supremekinggaiseric7779]

I think this is a great thing to do regularly (obv when necessary) for this channel. Doing retrospective commentary on previous pieces of news and pointing out flaws/critiques or correcting incorrect info is awesome. I know this isnt a "serious" news channel, but great to see that level of integrity. Balances out the scamwig a bit too

[@Richard-tt3eq]

The Mizkif stuff is genuinely so sad. I only saw stuff on him through Ludwig and then the whole drama dropped and I thought his scumbag character was completely real, kind of got a bit obsessed with seeing all of the drama and reading all I could about it and just couldn't believe how obvious it was that the accusation was a lie. Then I saw those messages in his offline chat were he more or less said he was suicidal, his roomates talk about finding him on the ground crying at times and honestly it killed me a little to read. It's nice Lud actually apologized here but realistically the damage to his career is done all because he wanted gambling banned on twitch

[@codeone8195]

He took accountability for misinformation he helped spread, but he didn't apologize. I think he should even if its done privately.

[@sidney7]

miz deserves some blame for the absolutely horrible way he addressed this entire thing recently, both on the call and his return streams, but yes this narrative about him and maya covering anything up is nonsensical. anyone in the community knew the entire extent of what slick did the first time adri released a twitlonger, the only thing she changed since thne is how bad she thought it was and how it affected her. which isnt possible for miz or maya to know or act on, so i dont really get why its been framed as them hiding things everyone already knew

[@kingmanic]

I personally intensely dislike the character Mizkif plays on streams, but yeah he didn't seem involved in this shit. It was just a shit friend in his orbit. Also rich. So 2 shit friends in their orbit.

[@omegaluls]

@@sidney7 Yeah, that return stream was an absolute nightmare from a pr perspective. He at least acknowledged how bad it was in his offline chat and is planning to make a video apologizing for it/addressing it once that investigation is done with. Gotta be fair to him on that call with trainwrecks though, he was lured into it with the promise from train that he would delete that tweet that made it seem like he was the one that sexually assaulted and blackmailed multiple victims. He had no idea he was being recorded and the call was done before Adrianah Lee had even done her initial stream or all those DMs exposing Slick for being a creep to women were outed. So Miz was still working with the same information he had from years ago when the incident with Slick had first occurred. He definitely should've assumed that Train was recording but with how desperate he was to get train to delete that defamatory tweet + save his suicidal friend from being wrongfully canceled (based on the old info he was working with) I can see why he would overlook that tbh

[@sidney7]

@@omegaluls ye I agree the callw as unfair in some ways and tbh asmon should have realized that and told him to leave since miz clearly wasn't in a great state of mind, but ofc asmon doesn't care unless it's about wow or himself. However miz had 3 hrs to realize this wasn't about a tweet and he had no reason or obligation to be in there, and should have realized there was no point to talking about how much he liked slick to them. Just a shame.

[@christianbrad-lee8074]

Please make this a series!! Maybe the “I lied” series where we go back and review your old videos

[@MrKoxe111]

wow yeah you sneaking that miz stuff in 3 months later and not making a whole video about how you helped the narrative back then and helped damage your "friends" career and mental ... expected more from you

[@jadendumars2587]

hopefully after the investigation is over he does a video where he calls out all of xqc,train,mitch,adrianah

[@alexplantum177]

The thing with corrections is that they’re the right thing to do but there’s always people who believe it’s not enough or not soon enough or something. The situation with Miz was misunderstood in the beginning, yes. Lud reported how it was when the video was uploaded. As things changed he corrected what he’d said. Idk what else you want? I understand wanting more but Lud is doing way more than most people who report or comment on stuff. He’s one guy with a small team that isn’t based on news/drama. Did the misunderstanding around Miz suck? Yeah. But Lud was reporting how the public understood it at the time, not smearing his name with malicious conspiracy theories or unfounded accusations. Just my opinion, idk

[@MrKoxe111]

its not malicious or a conspiracy theory is based on facts and what I have seen happening but the problem is you have to be really following it to get the whole picture. What most dont understand is what we see what Ludwig and co tell us in Public is not what they know in private. Just to name a few examples they always supported Maya and framed it in a way to only make Miz the spotlight and they did it because QT had a Podcast with maya and they wanted to protect her, meanwhile she was logically at least as guilty as miz if not even more. Look I know why they do it they want to be as clean as possible because they want to keep their public image clean and do whats most profitable to them not what is right and thats how most do it in that industry. ( ludwig and qt didnt care about the kai stuff which was much worse, QT even tried everything to get him to boost her views by attending her shows). Meanwhile miz talks open about the stuff and gets fucked it was known weeks after if you just did some research but nobody cares about that its just how it looks and how like you say the public thinks, which is exactly the inverse of how it should be just sad to see that someone who is honest gets the most shit meanwhile others who play the public game and appear the right way, dont have any consequences. @@alexplantum177

[@alexplantum177]

@@MrKoxe111 Yep. Everyone is greedy and evil and always has the worst intentions. All the good things anyone ever does is for PR. Seriously though I know I try too hard to assume the good in people a lot of the time, but to me that sounds like a lot of assumptions, not “facts.” Sure it’s possible but I’d rather hope there wasn’t malicious intent instead of constructing a *narrative* Maya is the victim in this, harassment or assault, doesn’t really change that she was victimized. How is she guilty of anything? “If you did some research” is such bs also. Trying to dismiss my opinion because you believe my research is flawed or inaccurate is kinda gross. It’s also irrelevant and rude. I understand the frustration and all, I’ve used similar rhetoric, I just suggest you’re at least aware of what you’re saying/implying with that phrase. It makes people incredibly defensive usually. Anyway, if I was following this drama fully and spending hours online, wasting most of it on stuff that isn’t relevant in the end, I might have more of a right to an educated opinion ig, but I can’t dedicate my life and put everything on hold for something that doesn’t have anything to do with me. Miz isn’t the predator, he got screwed, yes. Trying to say that iLudwig and everyone else are just trying to save their image instead of having a human, visceral, protective (of the victim, in this case Maya) reaction to a disgusting clip (as it was understood at the time, I realize the full context makes it less bad, still didn’t age well). You’re making so many cruel assumptions on the characters of people you don’t know and clearly don’t follow. Believing someone willing to put up with the vitriol of backlash (which is beyond disgusting) in order to speak up about harassment, assault, abuse, anything of the sort, is a human reaction and I wish everyone would do so. It takes incredible courage to speak up, knowing you’ll be blamed as well, deemed “guilty” of being victimized at the hands of another for whatever reason people want to find. There are people who are sick and so desperate for any attention that they lie, but that isn’t the case here and I’m not touching that mess in this thread. Regardless, I’m not going to victim blame, that is so incredibly damaging and is why violence goes under-reported. I could go on and on about this. I’ve studied it in uni, I’ve lived doubting my own reality because of other people’s manipulation. I still am struggling with that. I cannot convey how strongly I feel on this issue in specific. I’m getting a bit off topic and heated, sorry about that. The last point I want to say is that “others who play the public game and appear the right way” do get consequences. Those are that people believe they’re shells just functioning in the believed optimal way to get money or whatever. I don’t really want to toss you in that group, but comments like your original one are the consequences to an extend. I think you’re more upset that the “consequences” aren’t “enough” or something, which is an opinion that you are valid to hold (if you do hold it). We can agree to disagree, I just wanted to have a dialogue and hoped to defend someone who reported something as they knew it and did correct it (not in the way you seem to have wanted or thought adequate, another valid opinion, though one I disagree with a bit). I’m going to stop here, I’ve essentially written a short essay at this point. If you choose to reply I can’t promise I’ll see it, but if I do I’ll read it (at the very least). Thanks for at least being willing to discuss a bit and be civil. Have a good one, be well

[@MrKoxe111]

thx for replying and sorry if it triggers you because of personal reasons, I also didnt want to invalid your research on this topic, I just know how multi layered it is, so its easy to miss something unless you followed everything. I personally just care about the truth and justice for the one's wrongful accused. If you have empathy I always try to think what the person must go through in that case maya and miz for being wrongful accused and People they thought being their friend, amplifying the problem. Miz talked about it on his alt stream how he thought they were his friends, but that showed him, the only thing people in the streamer industry care is how the public perceives it and if it helps their numbers. To better explain about maya: In the beginning miz and maya got accused of covering up sexual assault but miz never talked with the victim Adrianah, it was maya so she would have been the one to actively cover it up(downplay and speak with Adrianah) but miz was the main one who was being talked about because they tried to take him down(Character assasination) and Maya got caught in the crossfire. It is too hard and time consuming to explain everything in detail but I dont think most people were evil or greedy, most people just do whats in their best interest. Even if that means in this case bringing their former friend or co worker mizkif to try to kill himself because staying neutral or waiting and informing themselves before building an opinion was not in their best interest. The good thing I took away from this is not to judge someone in an instant but be sure about it and inform myself, because I understand now how incredible damaging it is mentally to the person accused. The problem in a public setting is multiplied to the extreme because many people just see the headline and remember that even if months later it is shown to be wrong, some people still think its true. Even then I would have said alright everyone makes mistakes just make it clear and apologize.Then after 3 months (most people already made their conclusions and moved on) ludwig made a small apology in the middle of an video, sure better than nothing, but it is personally not enough for me especially seeing the damage he did and how targeted it was around miz. So the same should have be done with the apology. I also learned over the years that people who make content or are public figures often just want to be popular, successful and feel accepted. Thats what's leading them to being fake or a version of themselves that agrees with the public opinion and sentiments, even if they know they hurt people or miss inform them in the process. I can't just watch those people anymore. I would personally watch someone who talks open about those struggles and their flaws, especially if it is worse for them , they get hate and less money because they dont play the sponsor friendly, public game. I can relate to that thx for reading and I wish you a nice day @@alexplantum177

[@TurquoiseIcy]

I think a good way to make sure you don't claim something that is false is changing the wording in some of your sentences. "X happened yesterday" to "It appears that yesterday X took place". Also some disclaimers like "As of (date) the information available seems to indicate that..." so on and so forth.

[@callummcneill6266]

Bot

[@pikachufanz4744]

only as a technicality, though. he'd still be making the same claims, just protecting himself from moral culpability

[@justaperson4866]

Yea - Ludwig def needs to work on how to lie to his audience on biased opinions like Tate. He looked so weak to 10s of thousands and literally hurt the people who tried to defend him that were completely unprepared because of the blatant disregard for facts in their arguments following false information. Get it together Ludwig we’re losing.

[@TurquoiseIcy]

@@pikachufanz4744 Is that such a bad thing though, that's how most reporting is done generally. No one truly knows 100% of the facts with 100% certainty.

[@thisishandlenumber2048]

That is a good way to avoid false claims but destroys one of the main things he wants in a Mogul Mail video which is for it to sound like a conversation between him and the viewers. I think putting up all these guards to protect himself from "gotchas" later would hurt him in the long run more than being proven wrong because the videos would start to feel less authentic and comfortable. Also most rational people would not hold it against him if his claims are contradicted through new developments or he ends up making a small mistake. If you're going to jump into technicalities then you're not actually here for a dialogue you're just trying to prove that your belief is "right" so why cater to that person in the first place? I like the videos as is with all their flaws and mistakes and appreicate that he takes the time to correct himself when he's proven wrong or new information contradicts what he's already said.

[@findalkits5255]

Ludwig needs to do a whole separate video about the Mizkif situation, he did Mizkif dirty and should apologize for it and maybe look into it more than he did in this video. There was so much lies even with Adrianah part. Adrianah herself called the Slick situation "stupid" on her alt twitter because she wanted to go to a party where Slick was at but didn't get invited. Multiple people in that room witness it and said it wasn't sexual assault or any type of sexual thing. Hopefully when the OTK investigation is over and Mizkif is back in Ludwig makes a video and apologies for putting all spotlight on Mizkif when Maya was also equally involved and pretty much made him look guilty to his viewers

[@MachaBeans]

I agree, but this is a start, lud is the only "big" CC that has looked at the situation in a more nuanced way and brought it to light with this video

[@TheRealMallard]

I hope when Miz gets cleared he'll cover it again

[@xaviercollins5991]

What's worse is that ludwig is changing his mind by using clips from streams that he had access to already. Adrianah and maya stream. It's like he didn't even watch them before he made his video

[@xaviercollins5991]

He didn't even mention that in that clip, miz was responding to someone who typed "didn't slick rape that one girl"in his chat

[@taxidrivernwo]

I understand getting things wrong when it is just general news stories, but when you know Miz and Maya, and rattle off trains allegations like truth immediately when the same day Adrianah said she never considered it assault…how do you get that wrong. Slick has even been to your house since the initial “drama” went down. Seems a little late since that video killed mizs KZbin channel.

[@sh09un1]

I feel like the 2 min correction about the Miz situation really doesn't do justice to the amount of harassment him and his community had to endure these past few months because of it. People would falsely accuse him of doing all these horrible things with no proof because it fit their narrative, but the fact that it came from the mouth of a friend of his who couldn't even be responsible enough to use the word "allegedly" when reporting was just the green light they needed. The correct move was to be impartial and not make a video at all, but just like every one else you did it for the content. Really says something that all the information to make a correction was available soon after you made that video, yet you didn't correct it until now.

[@NaxipTV.]

all the information for the correction was actually out before the original video was made, Lud just chose to push the false narrative either because he wanted content points for pushing the popular opinion at the time or he is genuinely horrible at research and didn't watch the relevant streams. he's proven to be pretty good at research in the past so im thinking it's the dog pile option. in the original video he didn't say maya's name a single time, he tactically avoided talking about her and funneled all the blame at miz to throw him under the bus. I don't understand how you could go on to make an informed video about this without mentioning her since her initial stream after is such a relevant thing to watch if you want to know what's going on and he completely ignored it.

[@jadendumars2587]

@@NaxipTV. lud is a rat plain and simple

[@jon2623]

@@NaxipTV.lud told miz he was going to make a video about it, it’s very possible miz wanted to protect Maya so he told lud to not mention her as much, after all they were in the mess because train and xqc were mad at Miz, maya was just collateral damage

[@NaxipTV.]

@@jon2623 maybe, but when you include the things maya said about the events it make it look way better for both of them, and when you don't mention her at all it makes it sound like miz was the one "gaslighting" which he wasn't, he never even talked to her that day.

[@moththeman3995]

4:11 that feature was created in march of this year way before Elon had even offered to buy twitter, its just that its barely ever advertised so not many people know about it

[@apj018]

elon musk didnt add the feature that lets you reorganize your timeline from an algorithm to the time posted (talked about at 4:11 for context). Twitter was originally organized by time, and then they (twitter before elon) made your timeline sorted by an algorithm. but the ability to revert back has always been there since that shitty algorithm was made the default. Or at least it has always been a thing for the mobile version, I dont use desktop twitter so I wouldnt know if that feature was missing. Some odd things just arent available on desktop (like the devs just forgot to implement it). for a while you couldnt remove a bookmark on desktop. you could ADD a bookmark, but you needed to go on mobile to delete it

[@takingamassiveel]

It def was on both at one point, I always had to keep messing with it cause Twitter would swap it and not say anything, I remember messing with it on desktop too. No clue where Lud heard that from given it’s years old…

[@PandaTheMine]

Was going to say this, show newest tweets first has been on mobile and desktop since they changed to recommended tweets as the default

[@XylessBrawl]

There was a point where they were experimenting with forcing algorithm sorting on some people, it was obnoxious as heck for me. But yeah, for the most part being able to sort by latest is not something added by Elon's team.

[@Donkarnage2525]

You guys can still read tweets on Twitter? That's wild. All I get are promoted tweet after tweet on mine ever since Elon took over.

[@cdxzminecraft7953]

People can make mistakes and he is owning up to them when most people would avoid even admitting to them

[@Randomperson-if4hy]

@Deadpool. Nobody cares about the fucking potato wedges

[@3katsime]

I thought you were talking about Andrew Tate before watching the video lol

[@zackshewchuk8483]

He’s the goat of KZbin rn no lie. Great person, personality, and great channels

[@ZxAMobile]

Who cares this mogul guy is just another celebrity literally have no respect for this dude. If he didn’t have a silver spoon he would have 5000 subscribers just like all the other hard-working high-quality content creators that get nowhere. Dude is literally just talking on the microphone. He can admit to any wrongdoing he wants they will just continue to give him millions of subscribers regardless. When Andrew uses the M word this guy is a part of it.

[@sykkunowithglasses8241]

Yeah Ludwig better than Luwgahn

[@amvibes9633]

This was a good video to make Mr Lud. You should make this a yearly thing or somethin. A lot of drama on the internet happens, shit gets fucked, and no one will follow up on how things evolve. I think Miz deserves a dedicated follow up TBH

[@rickvandam3238]

Still impressive that you do this all in one take

[@Hansu000]

cant believe mogul mail could do this to us😢

[@airbag504]

well done! real journalism hours! could never expect this kind of integrity from your doppelgänger Ludwig Aghren

[@thaitoan4760]

It’s ok Mogul Mail, as long as tou don’t react to Tik Tok for content we totally understand you

[@dylbertzombert]

Don't watch Ludwigs streams then 😂

[@worldlinezero4783]

@@dylbertzombert Wym? Ludwig and mogul mail are different people

[@dylbertzombert]

@@worldlinezero4783 Holy shit you're right! I forgot they were brothers that hate each other

[@blissfulchaos5606]

If only the people of this world had the balls to say, "hey this was the info I based my opinion on, that info was proven to be either incorrect or exaggerated/falsified, now the truth has been proven to be xyz, now this is my opinion." kudos and MASSIVE respect my dude! This is how you make the internet a better place for everyone involved. Keep it up man!!

[@kells9660]

I can’t be the only one that remembered that Ludwig promised to play Pokemon Legends Arceus

[@15xAlosh]

kinda glad you you cleared up the miz situation i had no idea new facts came out.

[@red2337]

Those facts were the same and available to him at the time. He chose to push a false narrative.

[@jadendumars2587]

not even new facts, thes facts came out when adrianah did her stream a little bit after train made his tweet and when maya did her stream responding to the allegations. both of these streams happened before lud dropped his mogul mail, meaning he didnt watch them and was just pushing a false narrative without doing bare minimum research

[@jadendumars2587]

he didnt give the full context for that miz clip either, miz is replying to a chatter that is saying that slick raped adrianah. ludwig also leaves out that adrianah calls the slick situation dumb on her alt twitter. adrianah is a liar that is bringing up her already resolved story with slick because shes friends with train and train wants to take miz down. she was still talking to and going to parties with slick and she left out how she sexually assaulted cyr and thats why a lot of people didnt want to hang with her.

[@jetix4397]

All those chrome tabs... Lud's RAM is probably begging for the sweet release of death

[@Jmak]

Idk how miz got cancelled so hard. He barely did anything

[@jadendumars2587]

cancel culture is a serious thing, people believe allegations uncritically, other people didnt like him for petty reasons and decided to dogpile

[@6ftmouse349]

Bro he tried to cover up multiple sexual assaults😂tf you mean you don’t know how he he got cancelled so hard. Bro I’m a conservative who hates cancel culture, but Miz is definitely one of the people who should of been cancelled

[@Jmak]

@6ftMouse multiple? Where are you getting your facts lil bro. It was one instance and Maya confirmed she would have gone on her own accord. In any company or business you handle these situations in house and private

[@jadendumars2587]

@@6ftmouse349 multiple sexual assault cover ups? Making up shit

[@cardinalman7]

Glad to see Klevin is back and happily employed as an editor

[@panchopistolas168]

Lud really out here making us pay for that journalist degree, jk big man, loving the content

[@iharshbrown6689]

Even if you were not 100% correct on some things, the fact that you are making this video and even making a fact checking sheet is prove to me that you are probably even more reliable than most tabloids out there

[@kingmeprime]

The fact that I definitely do not trust news to consistently report the truth means that a guy who does actual fact checking before me is more reliable than the clickbait websites online. You do awesome work. Not only does news change with time but nobody should ever believe a single source 100. The things you got wrong felt incredibly minor when compared to the whole story. You do great work

[@AnonHooman]

Finally figured out that he closes the tabs (without clicking the X, without using control + w, and without even having the tab open sometimes) by using control + middle mouse click

[@Roric_The_Red]

So fast my girlfriend got jealous I broke our record

[@MachaBeans]

I dont mean to sound bitter, but as someone that enjoyed miz's content, I do think it's a bit messed up how him actually being innocent is glossed over in about a minute of this video while his career is already pretty much in a ditch at this point

[@owen823]

Yeah I’m bitter. Miz was the only reason I even knew twitch existed and he was smeared and destroyed by streamers like Lid and train and Literally every big streamer without a second thought. No apologies, nothing. Just destroyed. Miz provided 15 minutes of fun for me every day during lockdowns and tough times in the pandemic. I miss that comfort man.

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

Going through every video you've ever made and will ever make on this channel to keep the info not only true but up-to-date is unbelievably based. That's way more than anyone would expect of you, and we appreciate it

[@Nomanishi]

Fact-check: He paid his mods to go through all his videos to fact-check him. He himself did not go back through every single video. Still an absolutely commendable action, regardless.

[@bent_wood]

The miz clip so dirty nowadays. Am I the only one who misses mizkif? Lmao

[@benonit]

Lud I absolutely love you as a content creator and we may not always see eye to eye on everything. But I am 100% in the support on you doing this and give you a lot of props for doing this. Not a lot of people are willing to admit to even being wrong let alone site there sources 😂😂 keep up the great work because we need more news sources like mogul mail

[@jonathananderson3486]

I’m glad you’re doing this- this would be great in the shorts format especially on this channel

[@AliceinEntropy]

Every month should be an "I lied" update video about everything that changed or you got wrong. Very cool self accountability I really appreciate you going above and beyond general journos behavior.

[@offbrandbread847]

this is giving ‘i am not you’re friend’ energy

[@StrawberryGS]

You are far more than "Just a commentary KZbin guy" you are a man of integrity who has slowly gained more and more of my trust. Please continue to not rush it. In the long run, that will continue to serve you well.

[@g1u2y345]

Quick fact check, 5:50 Gambling wasn’t banned, only certain websites

[@Eric-gw2lx]

Can mizkif and Mayas image be repaired? I know Mizs image has taken a way larger hit than maya but they are both still losing followers to this day

[@jadendumars2587]

not completely no.

[@jase7892]

nope. people made up their minds day 1, and videos like the one he put out with zero fact checking helped with that.

[@jadendumars2587]

@@jase7892 only thing that can help at this point is a lawsuit but i dont think that will happen

[@theomonty]

how could you do this to us mogul mail we trusted you im gonna have to watch ludwig instead

[@rogerramjet7729]

He's still better than a huge number of journalists. Imagine berating someone for being "middle of the road" in an era of blatant political bias, with the audicity of blatantly biased pretending to be neutral

[@fettwampe]

If Mogul Mail needs fact checking...can he now run for president in the USA?

[@ParadigmDreamspace]

Lol some of these were really really minor, but I really appreciate that he took the time to correct it anyways. He might not be a journalist, but Mogul Mail has incredible journalistic integrity.

[@kenjopac4247]

your journalism is better than 90% of "reputable sources" today

[@mossicely]

Unfortunately so many people get their news from social media now which isn't meant to be reputable, it's just meant to keep you clicking. Even from real news sources, Reuters, AP, and BBC are some of the few good ones.

[@GrandPrimus]

Bit of a rat for the Miz shit tbh

[@DanielPlok]

I would love for this to be an annual report, mainly because I can imagine a large chunk of people straight up forgetting the doc, mainly because it is one more click away

[@shadic971]

Glad you addressed the bayonetta situation. She omitted so many details from the actual situation and there didn't really seem to be any follow up from anyone that reported on it

[@xaviercollins5991]

Your using clips from stream that was already available to you at the time of your video on miz situation to backtrack now? Those videos were literally from the most relevant streams about the situation and you somehow missed those when you piled on miz months ago?

[@Tjosenn]

Thank you, Mr. Mail, for correcting the Miz situation

[@muirisocearbhaill]

I’ve been meaning to ask Ludwig about his relationship with this channel, I even tried to using super chat back in November. As a journalist myself, I wanted to ask if he aims to objectively “report” on stories on Mogul Mail or leave enough leeway for informed editorialisation? He basically says he does both at the beginning of this video. The interest I have in the topic is because he did study journalism, as did I. In J school we’re taught to go middle of the road in every story, we’re merely the storyteller who watches both sides and reports to a reader. For this show it’s a question that has been asked for years in journalism theory about various platforms: is it journalism or “infotainment”? Why I think this project is a very interesting one in the world of journalism is because of the decision Ludwig has made in the video today: to fact check his portfolio and employ people to continue to fact check as time moves on. This is unlike any other piece of journalism in the current sphere, which I think is very interesting to what journalism might become with similar forms of “journalism” media on this platform. TL;DR: Ludwig is unknowingly carving a new path for digital journalism media by online creators.

[@Braddowski]

I'd argue Philip de Franco was doing this 20 years ago so your definition of a 'new path' is interesting.

[@muirisocearbhaill]

@@BraddowskiI completely agree with you, Philip DeFranco has definitely done a lot for the space. However, a lot of what DeFranco covered in the early days, and marginally now too, is what would be considered “soft news”. This being on-platform drama, celebrity gossip/news, and changes to a small sphere of the internet. He did cover “hard news”, especially seen during Trump’s time as US President and mass shootings for example, but I would argue that a lot of the stories of hard news were backed by his own personal/political opinion - something that makes me feel that the “pandering” comments make warranted. He did make them clear to viewers that those opinions were his, although if you plate up a lot of facts then show your cards to a viewer, it’d be reasonable to assume that a viewer might come to the same conclusion themself. Ludwig, yes, does cover similar topics like twitch and KZbin drama, Elon Musk & Twitter, Andrew Tate, and many internet-focused topics which capture a small niche of the public - however I feel it has served, and still serves, much more of a informative role rather than a gossip role, if you follow. Being that Ludwig basically shows the facts how they are with little editing or cutting (in the facts, the videos are pretty much unedited). Therefore he, as he put it himself, takes a very middle of the road narrative to a lot of the stories and shows both sides before sharing what he may think of the topic. Something of which, I feel, DeFranco is not able to do to the same standard.

[@muirisocearbhaill]

@@Braddowskito add, a lot of the topics Ludwig covers has external factors to a broader issue which he will often include, sometimes albeit briefly, in his videos. I think that has a lot more to do with how the internet has evolved in our lives compared to when DeFranco was doing it however.

[@krystoferbelknap806]

I have the exact same questions, just not nearly as polite or sneaky. I was a journalist in the Navy, which to be fair was pretty low-tier on the field. But the DINFOS program was actually pretty top-notch compared to the few other PA/Communications/Writing courses I've taken. I think it's important to define this "new path." Because I believe it's far more ancient than anything in communications, just dressed up in digital make-up. It's a seemingly passive grift with a very active disregard for responsibilities and community, made easier to achieve through a lack of proximity and loads of manufactured conflict and prominence (zero impact).

[@helloneighbour2408]

@@Braddowski philip franco devolved into a more polite keemstar over the years. He's a douche

[@oaken8431]

Ah yes, hey guys sorry I said those mean things about Mizkif and SA, oopsie my bad. 😅 won’t happen again oh actually it will because I start the video saying I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing so yeah haha oops guys

[@agamenticus_]

Mogul Mail is slowly becoming Tom Scott, and it’s awesome

[@superhooch]

I LOVE this accountability. What a superb influence you are

[@lexikiq]

yeah that tate story really didn't make sense to me, thanks for the honesty and the exhaustive fact checking

[@rG1vZ]

Frankly as long as he's held accountable for what he did idc how they caught him lol The pizza thing was just hilarious

[@alexb5979]

good on you for clearing up the whole mizkif situation but the damage is already done…

[@hugeburd]

I really appreciate you correctinf some of your mistakes and updating past situations that has since changed.

[@grey3414]

There's a difference in lies, getting the wrong information, and story development. Most of what you mentioned are the last 2, sometimes you get or misinterpreted the info you get and then there are developments

[@TheJehu]

Dude, every person who reports news should do this at the end of every year. 👌

[@SoulReaverVidView]

I hope no one takes everything you report is 100% correct. It's a good place to collect some surface level news to look in to. You do a great job, thanks!

[@Justins294]

unfortunately alot of people here take them as facts lmao.

[@lilyashmeadows2606]

For you to include your sources is fing amazing. Thank you!

[@kardiak9735]

He started doing that when Think before you sleep guy called him out on it

[@teddysaurusjd]

Really appreciate Mogul Mail finding flattering stills on each and every one of his videos

[@smooze0]

Ludwig: 10-15 minutes uninterrupted KZbin ads: are you sure about that

[@Grif_17]

This is honestly a 2022 recap that I really appreciated

[@BirdmanG07]

Props to you for owning your mistakes, big or small.

[@jimmyhails]

Good to know that you really dogpiled on the miz "SA coverup" story for views, and purposely lied about it to make him look as bad as possible, while you could if asked Maya about it her statement of the vod was up and Adrianah's vod changing her mind about it. And now you're backtracking so you don't get any backlash in the future.

[@owen823]

And all of these people are kissing his ass as if he were some icon of morality. He brushes off defamation and slander in the same breath as excusing typos and mislabels. Bleak!

[@xanboyyy]

Very impressive lud! All minor mistakes, I also really appreciate you (and your mods) taking the time to correct them. HOWEVER: This is very important everyone, just because lud is fact checking does not mean nothing slips through. Always think critically yourself as well. Don't stop thinking cuz of this bias.

[@okoe1785]

It is great that he does that, but it's not minor mistakes, in the case of Miz for example, the situation blew up so much because of the awful Train tweet and Ludwig making a video with 3M+ views was extremely damaging too

[@xanboyyy]

@@okoe1785 Yea fair enough the Miz one was not a minor mistake

[@asis_]

assuming you're talking about the home page / followed tweets thing with the "twitter made a thing that lets you scroll through by time not recommended", that's been a thing since atleast 2020, probably earlier. it's just been hidden a good bit and sometimes defaults back to recommended

[@48cxy2]

Getting detained and getting arrested are 2 very different things.

[@4purs]

Wait, so all miz did was downplay sexual harassment (of what was known at the time)? Everyone on KZbin comments be saying he “basically raped someone by purposely covering up sexual assault” downplaying sexual harassment isn’t good by any means but that reach is crazy lol

[@frogliza9977]

yes, Miz was wrongfully accused and his career was severely damaged because of it, he'll hopefully come back soon

[@NaxipTV.]

in that clip too the context is that he's responding to a chat message saying "didn't slick rape a girl" and he was explaining that it was sexual harassment not rape, that's why it sounds so bad when you don't hear the context, but when you hear the context it makes way more sense why he phrased it like that.

[@findalkits5255]

Which Lud still doesn't give context to in that Mizkif alt clip. Mizkif was responding to chatters who was saying it was "r*pe". Mizkif was correcting them, also Adrianah herself downplayed it on her alt twitter. She literally called the situation "Stupid" and was complaining that she wasn't invited to a party where Slick was at. All she cared about was going to Mizkif parties

[@xaviercollins5991]

Ludwig is changing his mind in this video based on clips from streams he had access to at the time. The fact that he's just changing his mind now shows he didn't even watch adrianah or Maya stream fully before making his comments about miz

[@codeone8195]

@@xaviercollins5991 Correct and in the end they all dogpiled Miz, He lost His Org, Friends, and his career will Possibly never go back to normal because people will bring misinformed shit up forever. Ludwig messed up but at least he's taking some what accountability. Train & Xqc will never because they did it with the purpose of destroy Mizkif not defend Adrianah.

[@Jason-gq8fo]

So you throw mizkif under the bus and ignore maya and then a 20 second update is apparently enough to fix it? Lol. You better do a whole video after the investigation is done

[@jadendumars2587]

when the invesitgation is done he needs to apologize to miz and call out xqc,train,mitch,kyle, even adrianah for lying. adrianah talks about getting blacklisted but there are photos of her at parties this year and last year, she talks about getting blacklisted but doesnt mention how she groped cyr

[@jon2623]

It’s possible miz wanted to protect Maya and told Lud to not mention her as much because after all they were in that mess because train and xqc were mad at Miz for the gambling. But either way they both had their name slandered and are going to deal with losers spreading misinformation about them

[@jadendumars2587]

@@jon2623 shitty situation

[@Chronomatrix]

Admitting you were wrong about Miz in 20s inside a long video after all the damage that has been done by videos like yours is asinine. I hope at least you apologized to him in person.

[@coolnathan09]

When he made the video he asked Mizkif before uploading if it was okay if he made a video about it, seeing as charlie already posted a video on it and Mizkif gave him permission he did.

[@aerated]

FYI twitter had a “Latest” feed option before elon got there

[@RoseArkana]

I think a lot of people like myself just like to see someone who will look at both sides of a story and then report their findings, whether you're biased or not we're mostly here to stay up to date on the happenings and you do, as you say, often tend to fencesit sometimes, which honestly nowadays is under-appreciated imo, too many people are too quick to jump to conclusions and call it done so I like to see someone actively report both sides of a story, rather than run with one side and call it quits. Thanks for the stellar content as always dude, keep it up.

[@MachaBeans]

I think mizkif is innocent

[@jadendumars2587]

he is

[@LumpoMcBlumbo]

I knew he wasn’t actually 6’2

[@Pain-rt1jb]

keep up the great work luddy

[@kakup93]

Half of those weren't even mistakes, it's just things changed in the meantime

[@yemreerdal]

It was amazing that you took responsibility and made sure that you own up to your mistakes. Just to add something, I believe that the video about Bayonette 3 also got disproven, she was offered way more than she claimed.

[@xerxes9999]

yeah i'm just gonna pretend this video was made because you care about "integrity" especially about the miz situation and not because the investigation is over and shows that miz was falsely accused and now you are making this video to save your ass from future reparations and backlash since you were the one who's actively pushing the narrative to millions of people online about how miz was defending someone who committed SA which is now proven to be not true. but yeah "you are so brave lud for owning your mistakes, it really show a lot of character." Oh boy...

[@jairm4377]

bad friend

[@johnmagus6341]

Mitch... The 🐁 👑