"I Lost $100K+" | Runescape Duel Arena Takes Hold of Gambling Addicts

[@CEngineer]

Jagex needs to disable/replace the duel arena like 14 years ago

[@ANDOosrs]

im chucking ur bounty

[@MetallicaOne0wns]

Make a video about this, get every content creator to make a video, MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE THE POWER

[@sirmossman3600]

I’ve never really messed with the duel arena, long time ago I lost a couple gp there but I hated myself for it. It’s truly a terrible place in the game and a cancer.

[@TangibleGoods]

@@kevinmurray4011 most games in existence don't have anything like a duel arena. Get rid of it. It is not a common feature in any game.

[@EpicAMV911]

or at very least poll changes for it.

[@davisgeiger]

The duel arena didn’t ruin my life, but it did ruin my experience playing RuneScape

[@ipwnchromejailbreak]

That's the biggest reason why I don't stake. Because if I lose, I lose hours of time. If I win, I get money that I didn't deserve which ruins the fun of the game. If you look at gp with a real world value, this ceases to become a game, it becomes a really shitty, low paying job at best. Unless you're good at writing code. Even so, it's scummy.

[@PunaniJohnny]

@@ipwnchromejailbreak how much we talking about? like how much is 1 mil gp worth?

[@halftimepainter4627]

@@PunaniJohnny I belive you can buy 1m for 1$ but you sell it for 0.75$

[@neogummi]

@@ipwnchromejailbreak do people wright scripts that auto pvp? If I wasn't clear I guess it would just find people and would out pvp them with ease

[@neogummi]

@@ipwnchromejailbreak my apologies if I seem stupid probably cause I am

[@Clorgisclorg]

"Move it to the Rat Pits" they called him a heretic for speaking the truth.

[@budsvan12]

Jimmy boy is a whole spiritual movement, forget animal.

[@redaxecat9206]

Even though it is patched the pre 2007 rat pits dupe bug would disagree

[@ClayKicker]

Agreed

[@Clorgisclorg]

@Derone Cerrone We got a clown over here.

[@minhh1356]

@How is taiwan not a part of China? maybe you and I and many other people can control themselves, but we can't ensure the many gambling addicts can also do that. Removing the arena may not help with the gamblers addict but it makes the game economy better and less toxicity in the game.

[@surrealentertainment]

All my homies hate the duel arena

[@Benzinilinguine]

Nice

[@moocow2172]

yeeee

[@tbhUSuckOo]

And skrillex

[@thelegendarydoggo2955]

Everyone in this reply chain including Sur, you are my favorite lads, homies, gals, and such.

[@blueb2830]

typical ironmeme

[@mfc1190]

What’s interesting about the duel arena in RS is that it can literally feed real life addictions because of how easy it is to buy and sell gold. When I was about 16, I had my mom’s credit card number memorized and I had a very good range boxing account. There was a day I got cleaned for somewhere around 200 mil (this was 15 years ago). When I got cleaned, I bought like $150 worth of RS gold and got cleaned again, then about $100 more and got cleaned again. I got my ass whooped and my parents both had a legit sit down with me and explained what a gambling addiction was and told me I couldn’t play the game anymore because it was unhealthy for me. In hindsight, that conversation and the repercussions (grounding, barred from the game, and paying them back a few hundred bucks) had a lasting impact on me. Just thought I’d share because, crazy stuff!

[@danielwood3486]

Did you continue to play?

[@mfc1190]

I quit for a while, and played through college. I never went back to the arena though. I don’t play anymore because I have a wife and kids so I don’t have time, but I still like watching RS content, haha.

[@EmperorRahem]

@@Sweet9964 your profile picture is the rtaa version of Burnie Burns. Do you like him? Because he would be quite upset with your attitude toward addiction. It's lazy and narrow minded. There's a reason we don't let children, drink, gamble, or smoke weed, poor impulse control.

[@mfc1190]

@@Sweet9964 wholeheartedly agree. In hindsight, that’s clearly addictive behavior! Would’ve done me good if they banned me. That’s the whole point of this video right? It’s the same reason they don’t ban addicts from the casino, haha

[@mestresci3721]

Sounds like your mom's fault if you have access to her credit card as a kid, not Jagex's lmfao.

[@MuwuRS]

Inbefore you lose PMod status for making a video that really displays the things wrong with the duel arena in this fashion, weird world.

[@gianlucadorsi9781]

Wouldn't be surprised

[@MightAngel]

The PMod status means nothing these days compared to the past

[@l0l287]

he migth ngl.

[@giefnameplox]

He literally got banned for RWT... I don't think this video will make him lose pmod.

[@gnarlydabs]

@@giefnameplox lolol RIGHT i thought i was mixing him up with another ytber but nope WTF?!?!

[@colourbursts3760]

I’m saying it now. Kempq didn’t kill himself

[@jupjup7845]

Just only if people knew that McAfee was trying to remove duel arena in his last days.

[@tonyravioli1982]

@@jupjup7845 :O

[@andrewfornes5320]

$whacked.

[@SageOSRS]

That grandma is still in the cage till this day...

[@supremeglory4403]

#freeGamGam

[@ChimChimSD]

damn that ExpressVPN transition was smooth

[@jackcarr7694]

One of the best I've seen tbf!

[@LeTtRrZ]

I saw it coming and was prepared to tap the right side of the screen 7 times. Too bad sponsorblock can’t be on the iPhone.

[@Fuckoff-1]

You be suckin up ads like a hot fart

[@TheL0rd0fSpace]

Honestly, the real problem is the staking. I'd love to see a duel arena where staking is impossible. Being able to have organized 1v1 fights, with custom rules and restrictions. Edit: Hell, you can keep staking for small stakes, capped at 1m maybe. That way, players can still stake meaningful amounts of gp, but you'd have to stake 24/7, and lose every stake, in order to lose this amount of money. Losing 1b should happen over the course of months, not seconds.

[@camrynfairclough1727]

Completely agree. Staking is the issue. Not the arena. Remove staking and the arena is just a sand pit for friends and rivals to try out pking in a controlled environment before implementing it elsewhere.

[@alvatrous]

or even stake 50m a week win or lose. that would be like the most you could realistically earn in a given week meaning if you wanted to chuck a drop or something great or try to get lucky over time but it would limit the addiction part of it.

[@Hunny_B]

@TheL0rd0fSpace I completely agree with you.

[@xjwithazero8915]

Lordofspace you are a puss boi get good cry is free

[@tibik.8407]

@@jacobearwood653 Black markets. That is all.

[@davaidavai6551]

i was addicted to duel arena won over 25b and lost everything, couldnt stop gambling on duel arena so i just made ironman

[@strings1586]

Dude, have you ever been fishing in real life? I'll teach you, it costs a lot less than runescape and is a lot more fun.

[@BOTS31]

It would be interesting if The Netherlands Gambling Authority saw this. They made EA change Fifa lootboxes. Because it was too close to gambling.

[@RogierVJ]

I believe that the Belgium government was first at banning that

[@Benzinilinguine]

Send it to them

[@D4ndelionRS]

They also put rocket league creates under the telescope and they no longer exist!

[@TimHeessels]

I think because there is a step between buying gold and then staking it that makes it somehow 'legal'. Like how it works in GTA Online with the casino there. Just the fact that you're not directly gambling your money, even though its practically the same.

[@BlueEyedRaven_]

Yeah I found it weird how we can use the casino in GTA online while in some countries it's disabled. But I can't bet any points on Twitch predictions. Because that's considered gambling. Even though you can't buy those points on Twitch. But you can buy GTA money with real life money.

[@ZacAynsleyOfficial]

We need an endless riot against the arena in falador

[@traincore1955]

Agreed. We need content creators to come out and support the cause.

[@DivineLight661]

@@traincore1955 would be funny if they got banned mid protest

[@ChantzRisse]

@@traincore1955 content creators are our only voice-they’re almost like our elected representatives

[@gregorpiuk23]

Damn zac aynsley is plaing rs? That r some fuaaarking good news! :D

[@TheFawly84]

Yes Zyzz brah, we’re all gonna make it brahs

[@OdysseyK]

I hate Jagex, but I love Runescape.

[@Gymthingz]

Just like the way people like R kelly's music. And not him personally

[@Puqssy]

I hate you uwu

[@billwe5772]

Perfect comment jagex is always talking about learning from their mistakes but constantly make mistakes

[@tsenif]

Always has been a shit company with shit staff

[@flake8382]

@@billwe5772 Learning from their mistakes? We have a cataclysmic fuckup in community and meta management at least once every 3 months!

[@Swinke]

“Im keeping my grandma in a cage until duel arena is removed “ lmfaoo

[@speedydraw]

Jagex hot "fix" will be to remove duel arena teleport from dueling ring

[@ugotmauledd]

thats honestly some stupid shit they would do. lmfao

[@jka3062]

They removed it completely.

[@mikeadriaansen4621]

this is why i dont gamble in real life or on runescape

[@razorbacks9034]

I see both sides, but what percentage of the playerbase is actually addicted to the duel arena? 2%-5%? What percentage of the playerbase plays 8+ hours a day? 15%-20%? What percentage of the playerbase is so addicted to the game that they play 8+ hours a day and they refuse to get a job/got fired so they can continue their addiction by playing runescape all day and not even making any money by RWT? Should jagex enforce a rule, to where youre only allowed to play 6 hours max a day on your account? that would be ridiculous. I was at the gas station today when i saw a guy looking in rough shape, he bought 20 dollars worth of scratch offs and scratched them off right there at the counter. Sure it was wrong of me to judge him, but i would bet he spends all his free cash on scratch offs. I didnt see any government officials try and stop him from spending good money on a 1 in a million chance. I get the video, jagex says 'the players are in control', but they refuse to poll the duel arena option. Even if they did poll it, i dont think removing the duel arena would pass the poll. Majority of us are not addicts and i try the duel arena the same as a real life casino. I go there with a maximum amount 10m in the game and irl $100 at a real casino, if i lose i lose and i had a fun 2-3 hours. Players need to seek help if they feel they have a problem.

[@Alex-vs2sh]

I only allow myself to play poker which is at least fun to engage in and you got a good chance to win like 50-50

[@LeTtRrZ]

Statistically speaking, expected values are almost always manipulated to be negative. You should only gamble when expected value is positive, and this only happens when a host has made an oversight. Ever notice that dice games give you a 45% chance of winning? The expected value is -0.1 gp per gp wagered. If you play infinitely many times, it is the statistical equivalent of a 10% tax on every bet. How many times would you be willing to exchange 1m for 900k? If never, then you probably shouldn’t be gambling. Even worse, every dice bot script is 100% confirmed to be rigged.

[@gothicbbmelvin]

@@razorbacks9034 must be nice to pull random percentages and use hearsay to justify your perspective. Wow, in your own personal experience I'm sure you've talked to every person at the duel arena. Pretty hilarious how you admit it's exactly like a casino, but casinos don't allow children. Last I checked kids aren't allowed to gamble at casinos with their parent's permission.

[@MyMonsterguy]

@@Alex-vs2sh Poker is skill based though. Especially in person. That being said gambling itself isn’t even that terrible for most people. You just have to go in with the mentality of doing it for fun KNOWING you’re going to lose all your money. If you can only afford to lose $50 don’t take more than that with you to the casino. You’ll lose it but might be fun time with some friends.

[@Moist_E]

I honestly think jagex is selling gold so they keep the duel arena

[@TheNinjaToaster99]

They're called bonds

[@xjustinjx]

@@TheNinjaToaster99 couldn't be bonds, those are there to bolster the health of the GAME not company pockets

[@xMrjamjam]

They can't there's a law in the UK that literally prevents this from happening, jagex would no longer exist if this was the case and this is why jagex sells bonds and not gold

[@MrRAYGUN5555]

@@xMrjamjam buddy, you do know people break the law right?

[@thekolobsociety]

@@comfywizard BAN IDIOTS NOT GUNS

[@randomrandomnesss2188]

The more content I watch, the more I see how many issues iron man mode fixes. I just complain about shit RNG, other people’s lives are being ruined 😭

[@nox9810]

I’ve honestly lost over 8000$ the past year. Never did drugs or drink much but addiction to go and stake in osrs is hard. I’m still trying my best to stop.

[@stephensmith4124]

Stopping doing something you do day in and day out is hard keep it up @Nox, think about the holidays, trips and events you can go to with that money. Or even how much VALUE items in the game will feel again by not going there. In my opinion when I came back to OSRS a few years back and discovered IM and HCIM I fell in love with it, those restrictions could help you to be unable to stake and everything you get from drops and clues hold more value to the progress of your account.

[@Jimbo7]

Don't feel ashamed to reach out for professional help. It is a very real addiction, no matter how many people say "just quit, its not that hard". You have the will to do it, and with help you absolutely can.

[@sirmossman3600]

As a person who has lost probably 100k in real casinos in the real world, this is a casino. Plain and simple. My guess is Jagex is making money off it in more ways than just bonds, as seems to be noted in this excellent breakdown of the current state of RS. Thanks for the vids man. We need these.

[@YorickSchouten]

Thanks for sharing, can't be easy. I hope more testimonials like yours will get it through peoples skulls that this is a gambling ring, no more.

[@sirmossman3600]

@@YorickSchouten what’s fascinating to me about my peculiar scenario is I can’t stand the idea of using the duel arena. I lost gp there when I was a teen and it stuck with me. Fast forward a few years and I became a truly bad real world gambling addict where a hundred bucks was worth 15 minutes of fun. Super bizarre to me that arc.

[@rodericblack4657]

Yeah, jagex should listen to people dumb enough to waste 100k of their money in casinos /s

[@razorbacks9034]

Of course they’re making money off of it? Every single bot that farms gold, guess where the money goes? To some poor sap who is going to lose it at the duel area a. Guess who gets money when a bot is created with membership. Guess who gets money when the bot gets banned and three more are created to take its place? The removal of the duel arena will be the beginning of the end for osrs. Besides of course, the Ironman life.

[@razorbacks9034]

www.blog.udonis.co/mobile-marketing/mobile-games/mobile-games-whales Jagex is not willing to let go of the small percentage of users that makes them the majority of there money.

[@MetallicaOne0wns]

Imagine them removing duel arena, RWT’s, scammers, hackers, and making this game overall fun like the true 2007 era. It’s a nice thought but will never happen 😆

[@Will_i_b]

It’s almost as if all of those happened back then too 🤔

[@Uncivil_Dreams]

All those things were a thing back then too, and were thriving too. Hacking especially was MUCH worse during that time too.

[@MrSupermugen]

modern gaming has ruined the fun in RS. wont ever change that. the push of "you have this mental health issue you need help or support" is exactly what the gaming industry needs to survive

[@houstonseddon3970]

07 HAD ALL OF THOSE...

[@heavensplayer]

Too much $$$

[@chrdestruction]

It almost makes me tear up, knowing creators of the game I played so long ago as a kid are actually letting this slide. And honestly, there's only one real reason for it. I know 'toxicity' will always be around in this new era of min-maxing, etc, but why does Jagex have to be apart of it? And if they're ever going to argue that some players use the duel arena for fun, then have them remove the staking component entirely and check how many fights take place after the update is live.

[@josh8672]

That "Spin To Win" voice-over is giving me anxiety

[@triumphoverdeath]

Rs is so shady its actually interesting.

[@JerryDaBes]

It's been shady since 2005 and before too! Grand exchange manipulation is a great example. There are cc that focuses on shifting the market to make profit

[@edstretton2214]

@@JerryDaBes That's just a consequence of a free market - I'd rather Jagex stick to a simple economic model than introduce economic policy.

[@triumphoverdeath]

@@JerryDaBes oh that is true. I forgot about the marketboard guys. They do make bank doing that.

[@charlesmorrison8459]

The most interesting part is that a private equity firm recently bought Jagex and somehow doesn't see the shadiness as an issue whatsoever

[@LG-ro5le]

Runescape is just another reflection of the real world in the sense that it is just another society, people are just shady

[@MaconHero07]

Please guys, only use the duel arena for the dueling ring teleport

[@Az__T]

Lava runes all day, get that rc up 🤙

[@stephensmith4124]

The abyss must be too hard for most people lol plus you want highest exp for your lvl being as its based on 0.5 exp per rune created higher than the previous rune used but meh OG RCer here 74 before deaths were even out

[@FiindingEmo]

The easy answer, as long as someone is profiting who's got a nut hold on the game itself, they won't care. There's too much profit to be gained because the currency in Runescape is equal to real life money. All they have to do is ignore it, and they make more money on the side than their normal salary job.

[@jacencade4019]

not equal, but for an online currency, its better than bitcoin. (don't quote me on that).

[@FiindingEmo]

@@jacencade4019 I dunno. I've just invested myself as I find it less inflated than the American dollar is currently. So in the worst case I got a chunk of change just in case. 😂

[@nithwct5226]

If it were polled, all the duel arena scammers would try and find a way to manipulate it. If it was completely fair, I think removing it would pass.

[@XmuertenegraX]

We need a Rank 99 shooting star to wipe the arena off the map.

[@rickniu4153]

but.. my duel arena tele for fire altar :(

[@Benzinilinguine]

@@rickniu4153 gotta crack an egg to make an omelet

[@itsaw6353]

@@rickniu4153 Fear not fellow runecrafter, for the fire altar is right outside.

[@kagnetix6674]

its really sad how this game is. People just want to have fun but yet it has become a scamming city with people losing there whole lives worth of money due to addiction for something that should be removed from the game for its abuse

[@jlane1188]

Forreal. I play a lot of MMO’s, but RuneScape was always my first. But none of the other games I’ve played have issues like RuneScape has. The dark side of Rs. Getting scammed, hacked; DDoS, your friends turning against you and stealing items you lend. When I play RuneScape I trust nobody. But on other MMO’s I can give someone huge amounts of money and they wouldn’t think twice about scamming me. RuneScape is just toxic. Feelsbadman

[@ruicao4209]

People need to take responsibility for themselves. They will find a way to gamble elsewhere. I have an addiction to opiates but I don’t blame the substance, drug dealers, US drug laws, nothing. Even if something isn’t your fault finding somewhere to put blame is going to do nothing for you.

[@hgfv1997]

People are forgetting this is a fucking game not a way of life, holy moly lost my bank twice at duely and I never sooked, it's people that are the problem not the duely

[@christophercarrillo4726]

Money and games should have never mixed :(

[@elijahvalencia3293]

@@jlane1188 Bullshit

[@MikeDaKid437]

Imagine the games economy without the Duel Arena gold sink. Imagine the Grand Exchange without the Duel Arena. Filled with gambling bots and different gambling games and websites adverts. You think it’s bad now? There would be 10x more scamming, spamming, and shady shit going on. Sometimes the player base doesn’t know what’s good for it. The REAL problem are the bots. The Duel Arena is isolated. If you never teleported there, and ran all the way to it you would never knew it existed and it would never effect your game play. Bots on the other hand are at every turn. Every tree, fishing spot, and boss. Removing the Duel Arena just adds unsanctioned shady gambling to the Grand Exchange.

[@mikedeez6967]

Gold sink how? Buy bonds with cash>sell bonds on ge for gold (that comes from another player)>stake gold at duel arena>gold either stays with you (win) or goes to another player (lose). Its just massive amounts of gold going from player to player. The gold comes from in-game and stays in-game. It does, however, motivate gold farmers (alot of which use bots) to do their thing which introduces more items into the game which is causing the prices of most high end items to plummet. All so they can turn around and sell that gold to the next addict that needs a re-up.

[@MrGaasvig]

Yassuo the league streamer also said that his gambling addiction came from the duel arena many years ago

[@Myles_gs]

I'm sure this isn't much but just todo something. Could someone make a " remove the duel arena " graphic for the 90% of osrs streamers would do agree with removing / disabling the staking option of the duel arena ? Just a thought to get it in front of everyone's eyes.

[@olas16k]

have all content creators put it as their background on social media and have it viewable in streams as well.

[@theduder7709]

Make a t-shirt and have them wear it. Or just pay mr Mammal to get it tattooed on himself. Lol

[@xEric1993]

Soulstealing the problem is that most content creators rely on the duel arena for content. Go look at the OSRS category on twitch. At any given time roughly 50% of the people streaming OSRS on twitch are just streaming staking.

[@daleHarrison93]

@@xEric1993 ye ur right there they wont fuck themselves the greedy wankers

[@Parker_OSRS]

@Myles that's a great idea man. I'll totally make one. Not sure how to share it around tho haha

[@jaked1213]

Never thought about how many kids were introduced to gambling there… sad really

[@Rng3VM4g3]

Was my first exposure to gambling at the age of like 14

[@omgfackdehell]

Oh the other hand, we were introduced to scammers at age 10-12

[@Gucci05xx]

Went to the duel arena once and noped right out for the reat of my RS life.

[@JoshPillault]

@@omgfackdehell And the scammers largely do it to sell it to gold selling websites, because the price is very high, because the demand from all the stakers is high. Then mega bot farms come in because the stakers are buying gold and keeping the price very worthwhile for someone to invest in making a massive bot farm. It all goes hand in hand. Remove the arena, demand for black market gold plummets (there will still be gambling of course but it will be MUCH more likely to have scams and many players will not seek to get involved in it because it won’t be sanctioned by the game like it is now) and the entire health of the game drastically improves. The gold sink is cool and all, but there are many other options for that. The arena needs to go.

[@omgfackdehell]

@@JoshPillault Nice paragraph but the scammers back then didn't do it to sell to black markets

[@Chisien]

I remember when EA got sued for lootbox gambling. With all the insane evidence and death threats, ddos, etc, im surprised Jagex hasn't hasn't sued

[@Chip5387]

If poker is considered gambling when it most likely involves a higher degree of skill then I don't know what this is.

[@vliegfietsmeneer]

Something must be done

[@eleazar6831]

Boerenkool

[@clownwrld7]

in 2007 "bring the wildy back, we pay we say!" Yeah good luck bud

[@NoName-pz1bq]

RIP for that grandma who will forever be locked in that cage

[@DylansPhotos]

F

[@rblyle382]

I get this reference

[@GrundleWizard]

Rip grandma

[@Jamgwarn]

Manked got the mind-set point spot on. I was 60 levels off maxing, friend convinced me to stake.. got from 1b-3b, lost it, bought 3b back an got to 7b, lost all of that and haven’t played since (like 4 months ago)

[@Dylan-qb8br]

Buy 7b, you can get to 14b ez

[@flufftopher]

Lemme have your acc

[@MrCEO-1]

Clearly your not staking enough

[@FatalityEvade614]

I personally fall under the category that Manked explained, I spent 300~ hours making 600m, went to the duel arena for fun and made 200m in an hour or so.. ever since that day I probably lost about $4,000~ USD in gold never played the game the way it was meant to be played and that spiraled me into an irl gambling addiction where I'm down around $30,000 USD, The duel arena is where I first got introduced to gambling 5 odd years ago, and now I'm currently trying to battle this gambling addiction with no avail..

[@zefzima]

16:25 is the reason I only play ironman.

[@TomCurrell]

Removing the duel arena is such a no brainer that there must be some shady reason Jagex won't do it.

[@Obito1994]

@@BAMFshee I highly highly doubt the people gambling 1b at a time are buying bonds . You got it all wrong

[@neckpepe1404]

I havent stepped in duel arena to duel since rs2, only for clue scrolls. Its usefulness is far gone.

[@YorickSchouten]

@@Obito1994 You're right. Those guys are begging their viewers for it instead, working themselves in to debt

[@Obito1994]

@@YorickSchouten yeah and racking up there Visa cards

[@Obito1994]

@MtDewsgood youtube gold is less than half to buy it off a website

[@brandon236]

someone needs to download this video rightnow before it's taken down. IMMORTALIZE IT!

[@chef4167]

Staking at the duel arena as a kid led to 10+ years of irl gambling addiction that I only beat 2 years ago

[@Ash_Lawless]

if they polled "should we remove the duel arena" I Garuntee it'd pass with 90+%.

[@anonym5510]

I feel like it wouldnt pass actually, So many bots/people who spend their life at the arena will vote no. It needs to be a forced update!

[@ZNX05]

@@anonym5510 yep. That's a problem with community based voting alongside the many alts that bot owners have they can vote on to vote against anything beneficial to the game or if it hinders their ability to make gp.

[@TheComcom99]

Well it sounds like its time for a riot boys

[@DisagreeingMantis]

I have almost never used to duel arena and it doesn't need to be taken out. We don't need to shutdown all casinos in America because there are gambling addicts either. Its up to the individual and the people around them to guide and protect them from themselves. It's time people started taking some responsibility for their actions, and realize they have consequences. Nobody has ever been forced into gambling runescape gold, and it's not like it turns into real cash anyways. I will always be voting no to the removal of the arena, good luck

[@Nordern]

if Jagex had big brain they'd have a Jmod at the duel arena banning the advertising bots continously, the amount of member paying players would double!

[@TheCoatHangers]

People lose money at the duel arena, then buy bonds... and repeat. How much money do you think Jagex makes off of bonds? It's the same scenario as the rs3 squeal of fortune.

[@blacksquirtle9119]

People at the duel arena don’t buy bonds, they go black market

[@Goregreet]

There is like thousands if not millions of dollars to be made from the duel arena My guess is that jagex's motives are a lot wider than just ppl who buy bonds Remember they can do anything they want in game and make it so that nobody will notice

[@OldQueer]

@@blacksquirtle9119 Someone is buying bonds/membership at some point to gold farm for the black market. I suspect Jagex would lose a lot of money if they resolved these issues.

[@buckflacks]

Y'all act like jagex isnt out their selling the gold them selfs lmfao. Did you forget they own and run the game?

[@RockBandRS]

@@blacksquirtle9119 There are definitely some that buy bonds to fuel their addiction. It's not like jagex needs everyone at the duel arena to buy bonds to make it lucrative, just need a few whales.

[@veer123ism]

I think whole osrs twitch/youtube community should group up and finally let Jagex see that this is no go anymore!

[@DaVailis]

That is a great idea. Streamer/youtuber privilage can be veylry useful in this situation.

[@misaeldz]

Jagex doenst gives a shit from youtube and twitch normies influencers, neither reddit nerds. Only thing that would shamble them is a legal action from the UK law.

[@veer123ism]

@@DaVailis Yea thats what i though too!

[@veer123ism]

@@misaeldz I mean if all twitch streamers and youtube content creators would stop streaming osrs for a week or so they would notice that. (they don't have to stop streaming as it is some streamers main income, just a idea)

[@bootykraken7177]

Duel arena isnt the issue, its retards not having self control.

[@adamnoah121]

I remember staking in 2009 I won over 1.5b, I ended up losing it all eventually because of my greed but during that high of having all that gp, I felt like doing anything else in the game was absolutely pointless. I even stopped pking.

[@REALLRAPMUSIC]

Ive quit i got 5b 2 years ago and lost them 2 weeks after I still have 100m or so but it feels pointless

[@Wicked2v2]

why was it so easy to ADD the grand exchange to the game but is impossible to REMOVE the duel arena

[@RspsDanik]

we aren't forgiving, we are all little addicts inside

[@WesthamOSRS]

how u been king

[@GangBlud]

Made 120M through pking, hired a duel account and made 400M. Then tried my luck once again, lost it all and quit.

[@clairhibiki]

the number one hate of mine when it comes to companies or businesses is encouraging gambling. it's completely vile and inhumane.

[@petergoldvain]

We need to do an in game protest to demand the removal of the Sand Casino

[@TheSaiyanLegend]

It all boils down to money, Jagex is clearly making a killing off the arena, why would they want to hurt their pockets?

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

How did I know that one of the top comments would be from some kid who doesn't understand how business works.. Yes, this company that has been around for two decades only cares about short term profit. Sure.

[@TheSaiyanLegend]

@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies duel arena has been around since 2004, how is that short term?

[@CYellowan]

We need one of these every second month. With new aspects just looked at, real nasty piece of work Jagex has done here. I am inpressed.

[@elliot5008]

I can’t believe they’re actually removing it, yeah it’s unethical but they basically have a casino without the license. The revenue they must be making is insane and it’s completely legal. Tax wise this is almost unheard of!

[@MrBriskTea]

Literally EVERYBODY would back this up besides the concurring stakers. I was addicted myself for awhile but I completely quit the game and don’t plan on coming back, no duel arena or not. The economy is dying, duel arena still flourishing and flowing millions of REAL dollars and only a main focus to iron men nothing for PvP. My advice quit the game and start grinding irl, even if you’re well off, better yourself more by ridding yourself of this toxicity. The game I once loved as a child and teenager, now nothing but a nuisance and deep regrets. Good luck people.

[@papakuli6289]

Little do they know some of the “elite” stakers created actual online casinos

[@peterkeigwin847]

Lol Fishy, SmiteYoBGS 😂

[@Yuchubu0]

@@peterkeigwin847 smiteyourrouter* TriHard

[@curvedhorn]

the arena negatively effects my game experience a lot

[@letstalksoccer6159]

I mean everyone knows Jagex doesn't ban accounts that are paying for membership. They only ban free-to-play accounts that don't pay for membership. Once upon a time, my friend botted the guards in the desert beside the bank on an account that wasn't on membership and he ended up getting Ban pretty quick for offensive language which is weird. He then botted the same guards on a membership account to 99 in multiple combat skills but didn't get banned at all. But on the non-member account, he got ban really quick.

[@TotobamfRS]

I feel like jagex has been dodging the duel arena issue for years.. I wonder why?

[@wpgrunner5]

4:33 thought my monitor was super dirty for a moment. Thanks for that. Great vid.

[@OdysseyK]

Lol yeah me too

[@tomriddle5037]

KempQ: if you organized a riot in fally to get rid of the duel arena, you would get a TON of followers. Just give me a time and date and I’ll be there.

[@GregorHey]

Manked was right on the head with what he said. When i first got into OSRS all i did was quest and slayer and i loved every second of it, once i hit 99 slayer (had around 340m bank) and i wanted to work on getting those buyables out the way so i tried the duel arena, walked way with 2b-3b that night with some friends and just stood at the bank, i never wanted to play the game and just went back to the arena, got cleaned and bought gold and started the cycle over again. I currently put rs down for about 7 months after the last incident. Getting money that quick isn't good, you don't learn anything that way and a lot of people think when you have that much the game becomes enjoyable because you can do every boss, its just not fun any more. Seeing those big drops (before the eco crash) like dragon hunter crossbows just feel like drops in the bucket or you have this urge to stake your split to make double.

[@Thenewwway]

I’m 24 and can confirm playing RuneScape for 15+ Years cultivated my gambling addiction to a now sickening low.. evolving from seemingly harmless pixels on a screen to real money im supposed to use for important things, I don’t feel like myself anymore. The worst part is the emotional roller coaster.. some days you’re riding high and others you’re in the pit.. kinda wish I never started playing RuneScape as it certainly exposed me to behavior I’d probably never have experienced as a child otherwise..

[@RealRamaladni]

Hang in there, man

[@PieterPips]

Makes me wonder what even is the point in playing osrs, with stuff like this going on..

[@somenormie]

You’d have to be extremely naive to not see the endless beneficial possibilities that Jagex has via the Duel Arena

[@SirAdammmmm]

Can't help but wonder whether the game would be successful enough to keep running without all of the associations with duel arena.

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

I dont gamble myself but i like the idea of adding the option to perma ban yourself from the arena. People would just have to bring themselves to click that button one time and its over. Imagine the sense of relief a mouse click like that would be for a person. They could and should also just remove it outright.

[@justinwalton1017]

From the future: Mod trident and Stella further supports this alleged collusion between Jagex and the staking(now death matching) community

[@allenmanivong1151]

I guess the term “duel arena take skill” was a loop hole cuz you gotta “level up” technically. Just wrong

[@camrynfairclough1727]

That was my thoughts too. "Well technically you need to level these attributes we call 'skills' to compete. So if it takes a 'skill', it is a 'skill'."

[@TheFukahater]

@@camrynfairclough1727 isnt that what defending your case against the law is all about in any given situation? the laws are sentences that are pretty grey but theres some white and black to it , you can just jig on the words and turn it to your advantage this is exactly what every defendant in a court is doing.

[@Sahbab11]

Tbf there's hybrid tournaments held in the DA that take tons of skill

[@blackfirediamond3646]

Why dont we change the bets to dual coins if u win or lose u get some dual coins like ever other mini game a point system

[@fosui7424]

They need to remove it if they aren't going to age gate it. This is gambling and should not be allowed for anyone that cannot legally gamble. This is a very bad thing for young kids to get into at an early age.

[@blueb2830]

RIP Duel Arena. you were a REAL ONE

[@elisteele574]

You rock man, thanks for doing what you do.

[@Amer_ica]

Jagex: Deny RuneScape is addictive Me: 4K hours played

[@Ohfishyfishyfish]

The guy at 16:08 really nailed what went wrong with another MMO I used to play: Puzzle Pirates. Fun game where you play puzzles to power and fix your ship and you all work as a team to sail your pirate ship, defeat other crews of players, and even go to war. They introduced poker as one of the piratey activities you could do and it diminished everything else in the game as a result. It wasn't worth going out with yer mateys for 20,000 pieces of eight for an hour long pillaging adventure when you could make that much in one hand of poker. The game still lives, just barely, and so does poker on the game, because of course you can pay real money for in-game coins. They hooked enough whales that it was worth it to the developers to let the whole spirit of the game die.

[@chingischanas2351]

Remove duel arena -> Runescape gold plummets in price -> a high number of people will stop playing because they were not playing for fun -> Jagex loses a lot of money because a significant ammount of people stopped buying memberships and bonds. Thats the simple logic behind why duel arena will always exist in runescape and nobody can do anything about it

[@heavensplayer]

Exactly

[@Beetlejuicer]

I feel like every jagex mod is doing some "off the record" shit. Like implementing something that they shouldn't, or just even straight exploiting shit.

[@peterkeigwin847]

Or there is a group within them taking home unsolicited wire transfers. I say the uk equivalent of the SEC and IRS need to do an internal investigation at Jagex

[@MightAngel]

Might easily be just the statistics whereby they can see duel arena and bonds have a big correlation, which is why the upper management is handling it. Not necessarily jmods things

[@blsg7211]

The t bow spawns support this ^

[@SyrusTheCreation]

i've actually never stepped foot into a real casino because i found out when i was young that i was a gambling addict due to the duel arena. no lie

[@goatgamingyt2964]

I was addicted to duel arena. Serious illness.

[@goatgamingyt2964]

I would spend 10 or so hours a day their.. I won't go into to much details but it omg it was bad.

[@J0sh351]

It's a reason why ironman mode is really popular too, people turn to restricted accounts to get away from gambling and rediscover the good side of the game as a result.

[@datboi7599]

There needs to be a third-party company that comes in and actually takes care of this… They don’t need to fix it from within because this is clearly something they are in on

[@jamesdean3521]

You’ve lost two in a row. Surely you will win this next chuck. Ok nobody ever loses four in a row. Sell that tbow and chuck it. You’ll be ahead if you win. Itch that scratch.

[@mowgli8943]

I'm also glad you mentioned the bond purchasing. RWT is only acceptable if you put money in Jagex pocket. Rules for thee and not for Me, and people are okay with this? lol absolutely crazy

[@SomeNordicMan]

Stay away from the Duel Arena.

[@lazerpigeon]

Been waiting for another video like this. Actual living legend

[@lazerpigeon]

@@Sweet9964 what

[@lazerpigeon]

@@Sweet9964 lol

[@lazerpigeon]

@@Sweet9964 but why are you so weird and toxic? Literally did nothing to you. Maybe you're part of the group hes talking about. Idk bro, stay mad

[@lazerpigeon]

@@Sweet9964 good one

[@lance4454]

I've never staked at the duel arena. Actually as soon as I realized that everything I was doing on my account revolved around GP I quit and I made an ironman. No ragerts

[@Aaeie]

good idea i lost like 10b

[@novitepoker8594]

its so fucking obvious since they added the "tax" that rakes the gamblers to death. It used to be fair, but OSRS duel arena is literally roulette

[@bostonnate4024]

They know when they put something up for vote, the majority say yes, which isn’t right. They are destroying the game

[@Ash_Lawless]

I don't usually like videos, but this one Really deserves it.

[@noahn8130]

DAMN you came for blood with this one! All facts too! Duel Arena is toxic.

[@liamlennox3504]

it needs removing this is such a toxic side of runescape, people spend thousands and lose irl money doing this

[@alanmccarthy7919]

I literally lost years of grinding yesterday, I know my own fault but a friend of mine won and it was tempting. Group ironman is literally the only thing I'm waiting on

[@stephensmith4124]

Runescape has and always will be about the journey, your progress, YOUR WAY of doing things. A quick profit at the arena will warp your view on the value of gp and infact effort. If something is too easy, it's not worth it. IM and HCIM even UIM are taking over because they hold the essence of what OSRS is: a game you play your way. One thing my main always bothered me was: I could make cash and just buy the gear that is from drops, making it pointless because its just there to help you kill the same monsters but faster (yay?) HCIM on the other hand forces me to play myself and learn how to do bosses and plan effective routes to obtain goals, I don't have a pc and play mobile but even so I wouldn't use veggielite sorry runelite because it dumbs down the game and your brain won't need to function. The sence of accomplishment when you kill jad for the first time, do DS2, kill Kree : it's going to feel better that you did that yourself, not oh yay my BiS gear did all the work while sand crabs trained my cb whoo!

[@clownwrld7]

lmao good luck waiting for the next 10 years

[@tylerneisinger206]

If there was "fun weapons" regardless, and you being unable to view inventory's, would help. Atleast for now. Anything else, just take it to the wild.

[@DivineLight661]

Being unable to see your opponents inventory would be a huge problem considering how many different scams exist

[@tylerneisinger206]

@@DivineLight661 like i said, anything else could be brought to pvp world or wild. Its not a perminant fix, just something to stop the rwt and all around gambaling.

[@DivineLight661]

@@tylerneisinger206 if you wanna stop rwt then remove free trade and add bh back into the game, no more normal pvp, just bh

[@longandwindingroad]

im so happy i quit this game, and never gambled when i did play

[@BunChubb]

The reason why they dont remove it is because of bonds. Some people dont buy gp they buy bonds for gp and stake it over and over and over again losing thousends while runescape earns thousend from each of them. Pros and cons of removing staking: pros: players get cured from staking and acctually play. They will habe fun again. Cons: Bonds will sky rocket because there will be more demand and no supplies. Some people might turn to 3rd party gambling which is highly rigged. Players will quit in a huge quantity which is good and bad. Good because these players are the debt staker and scammers. Bad because of player count.

[@TotobamfRS]

I've build up a gambling addiction because of the duel arena. I've lost over 30k + at only the age of 23. Moved on to real casino's. I still struggle with my addiciton as we speak. It is just mind blowing that the duel arena still exists.

[@joel4214]

hope you’ve gotten better since.