Jagex needs to disable/replace the duel arena like 14 years ago
@ANDOosrs3 жыл бұрын
im chucking ur bounty
@MetallicaOne0wns3 жыл бұрын
Make a video about this, get every content creator to make a video, MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE THE POWER
@sirmossman36003 жыл бұрын
I’ve never really messed with the duel arena, long time ago I lost a couple gp there but I hated myself for it. It’s truly a terrible place in the game and a cancer.
@TangibleGoods3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinmurray4011 most games in existence don't have anything like a duel arena. Get rid of it. It is not a common feature in any game.
@EpicAMV9113 жыл бұрын
or at very least poll changes for it.
@davisgeiger3 жыл бұрын
The duel arena didn’t ruin my life, but it did ruin my experience playing RuneScape
@ipwnchromejailbreak3 жыл бұрын
That's the biggest reason why I don't stake. Because if I lose, I lose hours of time. If I win, I get money that I didn't deserve which ruins the fun of the game. If you look at gp with a real world value, this ceases to become a game, it becomes a really shitty, low paying job at best. Unless you're good at writing code. Even so, it's scummy.
@PunaniJohnny3 жыл бұрын
@@ipwnchromejailbreak how much we talking about? like how much is 1 mil gp worth?
@halftimepainter46273 жыл бұрын
@@PunaniJohnny I belive you can buy 1m for 1$ but you sell it for 0.75$
@neogummi3 жыл бұрын
@@ipwnchromejailbreak do people wright scripts that auto pvp? If I wasn't clear I guess it would just find people and would out pvp them with ease
@neogummi3 жыл бұрын
@@ipwnchromejailbreak my apologies if I seem stupid probably cause I am
@Clorgisclorg3 жыл бұрын
"Move it to the Rat Pits" they called him a heretic for speaking the truth.
@budsvan123 жыл бұрын
Jimmy boy is a whole spiritual movement, forget animal.
@redaxecat92063 жыл бұрын
Even though it is patched the pre 2007 rat pits dupe bug would disagree
@ClayKicker3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Clorgisclorg2 жыл бұрын
@Derone Cerrone We got a clown over here.
@minhh13562 жыл бұрын
@How is taiwan not a part of China? maybe you and I and many other people can control themselves, but we can't ensure the many gambling addicts can also do that. Removing the arena may not help with the gamblers addict but it makes the game economy better and less toxicity in the game.
@surrealentertainment3 жыл бұрын
All my homies hate the duel arena
@Benzinilinguine3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@moocow21723 жыл бұрын
yeeee
@tbhUSuckOo3 жыл бұрын
And skrillex
@thelegendarydoggo29553 жыл бұрын
Everyone in this reply chain including Sur, you are my favorite lads, homies, gals, and such.
@blueb28306 ай бұрын
typical ironmeme
@mfc11903 жыл бұрын
What’s interesting about the duel arena in RS is that it can literally feed real life addictions because of how easy it is to buy and sell gold. When I was about 16, I had my mom’s credit card number memorized and I had a very good range boxing account. There was a day I got cleaned for somewhere around 200 mil (this was 15 years ago). When I got cleaned, I bought like $150 worth of RS gold and got cleaned again, then about $100 more and got cleaned again. I got my ass whooped and my parents both had a legit sit down with me and explained what a gambling addiction was and told me I couldn’t play the game anymore because it was unhealthy for me. In hindsight, that conversation and the repercussions (grounding, barred from the game, and paying them back a few hundred bucks) had a lasting impact on me. Just thought I’d share because, crazy stuff!
@danielwood34863 жыл бұрын
Did you continue to play?
@mfc11903 жыл бұрын
I quit for a while, and played through college. I never went back to the arena though. I don’t play anymore because I have a wife and kids so I don’t have time, but I still like watching RS content, haha.
@EmperorRahem3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 your profile picture is the rtaa version of Burnie Burns. Do you like him? Because he would be quite upset with your attitude toward addiction. It's lazy and narrow minded. There's a reason we don't let children, drink, gamble, or smoke weed, poor impulse control.
@mfc11903 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 wholeheartedly agree. In hindsight, that’s clearly addictive behavior! Would’ve done me good if they banned me. That’s the whole point of this video right? It’s the same reason they don’t ban addicts from the casino, haha
@mestresci37213 жыл бұрын
Sounds like your mom's fault if you have access to her credit card as a kid, not Jagex's lmfao.
@MuwuRS3 жыл бұрын
Inbefore you lose PMod status for making a video that really displays the things wrong with the duel arena in this fashion, weird world.
@gianlucadorsi97813 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be surprised
@MightAngel3 жыл бұрын
The PMod status means nothing these days compared to the past
@l0l2873 жыл бұрын
he migth ngl.
@giefnameplox3 жыл бұрын
He literally got banned for RWT... I don't think this video will make him lose pmod.
@gnarlydabs3 жыл бұрын
@@giefnameplox lolol RIGHT i thought i was mixing him up with another ytber but nope WTF?!?!
@colourbursts37603 жыл бұрын
I’m saying it now. Kempq didn’t kill himself
@jupjup78453 жыл бұрын
Just only if people knew that McAfee was trying to remove duel arena in his last days.
@tonyravioli19823 жыл бұрын
@@jupjup7845 :O
@andrewfornes53202 жыл бұрын
$whacked.
@SageOSRS3 жыл бұрын
That grandma is still in the cage till this day...
@supremeglory44033 жыл бұрын
#freeGamGam
@ChimChimSD3 жыл бұрын
damn that ExpressVPN transition was smooth
@jackcarr76943 жыл бұрын
One of the best I've seen tbf!
@LeTtRrZ3 жыл бұрын
I saw it coming and was prepared to tap the right side of the screen 7 times. Too bad sponsorblock can’t be on the iPhone.
@Fuckoff-12 ай бұрын
You be suckin up ads like a hot fart
@TheL0rd0fSpace3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the real problem is the staking. I'd love to see a duel arena where staking is impossible. Being able to have organized 1v1 fights, with custom rules and restrictions. Edit: Hell, you can keep staking for small stakes, capped at 1m maybe. That way, players can still stake meaningful amounts of gp, but you'd have to stake 24/7, and lose every stake, in order to lose this amount of money. Losing 1b should happen over the course of months, not seconds.
@camrynfairclough17273 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Staking is the issue. Not the arena. Remove staking and the arena is just a sand pit for friends and rivals to try out pking in a controlled environment before implementing it elsewhere.
@alvatrous3 жыл бұрын
or even stake 50m a week win or lose. that would be like the most you could realistically earn in a given week meaning if you wanted to chuck a drop or something great or try to get lucky over time but it would limit the addiction part of it.
@Hunny_B3 жыл бұрын
@TheL0rd0fSpace I completely agree with you.
@xjwithazero89153 жыл бұрын
Lordofspace you are a puss boi get good cry is free
@tibik.84073 жыл бұрын
@@jacobearwood653 Black markets. That is all.
@davaidavai65513 жыл бұрын
i was addicted to duel arena won over 25b and lost everything, couldnt stop gambling on duel arena so i just made ironman
@strings15862 жыл бұрын
Dude, have you ever been fishing in real life? I'll teach you, it costs a lot less than runescape and is a lot more fun.
@BOTS313 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting if The Netherlands Gambling Authority saw this. They made EA change Fifa lootboxes. Because it was too close to gambling.
@RogierVJ3 жыл бұрын
I believe that the Belgium government was first at banning that
@Benzinilinguine3 жыл бұрын
Send it to them
@D4ndelionRS3 жыл бұрын
They also put rocket league creates under the telescope and they no longer exist!
@TimHeessels3 жыл бұрын
I think because there is a step between buying gold and then staking it that makes it somehow 'legal'. Like how it works in GTA Online with the casino there. Just the fact that you're not directly gambling your money, even though its practically the same.
@BlueEyedRaven_3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I found it weird how we can use the casino in GTA online while in some countries it's disabled. But I can't bet any points on Twitch predictions. Because that's considered gambling. Even though you can't buy those points on Twitch. But you can buy GTA money with real life money.
@ZacAynsleyOfficial3 жыл бұрын
We need an endless riot against the arena in falador
@traincore19553 жыл бұрын
Agreed. We need content creators to come out and support the cause.
@DivineLight6613 жыл бұрын
@@traincore1955 would be funny if they got banned mid protest
@ChantzRisse3 жыл бұрын
@@traincore1955 content creators are our only voice-they’re almost like our elected representatives
@gregorpiuk233 жыл бұрын
Damn zac aynsley is plaing rs? That r some fuaaarking good news! :D
@TheFawly843 жыл бұрын
Yes Zyzz brah, we’re all gonna make it brahs
@OdysseyK3 жыл бұрын
I hate Jagex, but I love Runescape.
@Gymthingz3 жыл бұрын
Just like the way people like R kelly's music. And not him personally
@Puqssy3 жыл бұрын
I hate you uwu
@billwe57723 жыл бұрын
Perfect comment jagex is always talking about learning from their mistakes but constantly make mistakes
@tsenif3 жыл бұрын
Always has been a shit company with shit staff
@flake83823 жыл бұрын
@@billwe5772 Learning from their mistakes? We have a cataclysmic fuckup in community and meta management at least once every 3 months!
@Swinke3 жыл бұрын
“Im keeping my grandma in a cage until duel arena is removed “ lmfaoo
@speedydraw3 жыл бұрын
Jagex hot "fix" will be to remove duel arena teleport from dueling ring
@ugotmauledd3 жыл бұрын
thats honestly some stupid shit they would do. lmfao
@jka30623 ай бұрын
They removed it completely.
@mikeadriaansen46213 жыл бұрын
this is why i dont gamble in real life or on runescape
@razorbacks90343 жыл бұрын
I see both sides, but what percentage of the playerbase is actually addicted to the duel arena? 2%-5%? What percentage of the playerbase plays 8+ hours a day? 15%-20%? What percentage of the playerbase is so addicted to the game that they play 8+ hours a day and they refuse to get a job/got fired so they can continue their addiction by playing runescape all day and not even making any money by RWT? Should jagex enforce a rule, to where youre only allowed to play 6 hours max a day on your account? that would be ridiculous. I was at the gas station today when i saw a guy looking in rough shape, he bought 20 dollars worth of scratch offs and scratched them off right there at the counter. Sure it was wrong of me to judge him, but i would bet he spends all his free cash on scratch offs. I didnt see any government officials try and stop him from spending good money on a 1 in a million chance. I get the video, jagex says 'the players are in control', but they refuse to poll the duel arena option. Even if they did poll it, i dont think removing the duel arena would pass the poll. Majority of us are not addicts and i try the duel arena the same as a real life casino. I go there with a maximum amount 10m in the game and irl $100 at a real casino, if i lose i lose and i had a fun 2-3 hours. Players need to seek help if they feel they have a problem.
@Alex-vs2sh3 жыл бұрын
I only allow myself to play poker which is at least fun to engage in and you got a good chance to win like 50-50
@LeTtRrZ3 жыл бұрын
Statistically speaking, expected values are almost always manipulated to be negative. You should only gamble when expected value is positive, and this only happens when a host has made an oversight. Ever notice that dice games give you a 45% chance of winning? The expected value is -0.1 gp per gp wagered. If you play infinitely many times, it is the statistical equivalent of a 10% tax on every bet. How many times would you be willing to exchange 1m for 900k? If never, then you probably shouldn’t be gambling. Even worse, every dice bot script is 100% confirmed to be rigged.
@gothicbbmelvin3 жыл бұрын
@@razorbacks9034 must be nice to pull random percentages and use hearsay to justify your perspective. Wow, in your own personal experience I'm sure you've talked to every person at the duel arena. Pretty hilarious how you admit it's exactly like a casino, but casinos don't allow children. Last I checked kids aren't allowed to gamble at casinos with their parent's permission.
@MyMonsterguy3 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-vs2sh Poker is skill based though. Especially in person. That being said gambling itself isn’t even that terrible for most people. You just have to go in with the mentality of doing it for fun KNOWING you’re going to lose all your money. If you can only afford to lose $50 don’t take more than that with you to the casino. You’ll lose it but might be fun time with some friends.
@Moist_E3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think jagex is selling gold so they keep the duel arena
@TheNinjaToaster993 жыл бұрын
They're called bonds
@xjustinjx3 жыл бұрын
@@TheNinjaToaster99 couldn't be bonds, those are there to bolster the health of the GAME not company pockets
@xMrjamjam3 жыл бұрын
They can't there's a law in the UK that literally prevents this from happening, jagex would no longer exist if this was the case and this is why jagex sells bonds and not gold
@MrRAYGUN55553 жыл бұрын
@@xMrjamjam buddy, you do know people break the law right?
@thekolobsociety3 жыл бұрын
@@comfywizard BAN IDIOTS NOT GUNS
@randomrandomnesss21883 жыл бұрын
The more content I watch, the more I see how many issues iron man mode fixes. I just complain about shit RNG, other people’s lives are being ruined 😭
@nox98103 жыл бұрын
I’ve honestly lost over 8000$ the past year. Never did drugs or drink much but addiction to go and stake in osrs is hard. I’m still trying my best to stop.
@stephensmith41243 жыл бұрын
Stopping doing something you do day in and day out is hard keep it up @Nox, think about the holidays, trips and events you can go to with that money. Or even how much VALUE items in the game will feel again by not going there. In my opinion when I came back to OSRS a few years back and discovered IM and HCIM I fell in love with it, those restrictions could help you to be unable to stake and everything you get from drops and clues hold more value to the progress of your account.
@Jimbo73 жыл бұрын
Don't feel ashamed to reach out for professional help. It is a very real addiction, no matter how many people say "just quit, its not that hard". You have the will to do it, and with help you absolutely can.
@sirmossman36003 жыл бұрын
As a person who has lost probably 100k in real casinos in the real world, this is a casino. Plain and simple. My guess is Jagex is making money off it in more ways than just bonds, as seems to be noted in this excellent breakdown of the current state of RS. Thanks for the vids man. We need these.
@YorickSchouten3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, can't be easy. I hope more testimonials like yours will get it through peoples skulls that this is a gambling ring, no more.
@sirmossman36003 жыл бұрын
@@YorickSchouten what’s fascinating to me about my peculiar scenario is I can’t stand the idea of using the duel arena. I lost gp there when I was a teen and it stuck with me. Fast forward a few years and I became a truly bad real world gambling addict where a hundred bucks was worth 15 minutes of fun. Super bizarre to me that arc.
@rodericblack46573 жыл бұрын
Yeah, jagex should listen to people dumb enough to waste 100k of their money in casinos /s
@razorbacks90343 жыл бұрын
Of course they’re making money off of it? Every single bot that farms gold, guess where the money goes? To some poor sap who is going to lose it at the duel area a. Guess who gets money when a bot is created with membership. Guess who gets money when the bot gets banned and three more are created to take its place? The removal of the duel arena will be the beginning of the end for osrs. Besides of course, the Ironman life.
@razorbacks90343 жыл бұрын
www.blog.udonis.co/mobile-marketing/mobile-games/mobile-games-whales Jagex is not willing to let go of the small percentage of users that makes them the majority of there money.
@MetallicaOne0wns3 жыл бұрын
Imagine them removing duel arena, RWT’s, scammers, hackers, and making this game overall fun like the true 2007 era. It’s a nice thought but will never happen 😆
@Will_i_b3 жыл бұрын
It’s almost as if all of those happened back then too 🤔
@Uncivil_Dreams3 жыл бұрын
All those things were a thing back then too, and were thriving too. Hacking especially was MUCH worse during that time too.
@MrSupermugen3 жыл бұрын
modern gaming has ruined the fun in RS. wont ever change that. the push of "you have this mental health issue you need help or support" is exactly what the gaming industry needs to survive
@houstonseddon39703 жыл бұрын
07 HAD ALL OF THOSE...
@heavensplayer3 жыл бұрын
Too much $$$
@chrdestruction3 жыл бұрын
It almost makes me tear up, knowing creators of the game I played so long ago as a kid are actually letting this slide. And honestly, there's only one real reason for it. I know 'toxicity' will always be around in this new era of min-maxing, etc, but why does Jagex have to be apart of it? And if they're ever going to argue that some players use the duel arena for fun, then have them remove the staking component entirely and check how many fights take place after the update is live.
@josh86723 жыл бұрын
That "Spin To Win" voice-over is giving me anxiety
@triumphoverdeath3 жыл бұрын
Rs is so shady its actually interesting.
@JerryDaBes3 жыл бұрын
It's been shady since 2005 and before too! Grand exchange manipulation is a great example. There are cc that focuses on shifting the market to make profit
@edstretton22143 жыл бұрын
@@JerryDaBes That's just a consequence of a free market - I'd rather Jagex stick to a simple economic model than introduce economic policy.
@triumphoverdeath3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryDaBes oh that is true. I forgot about the marketboard guys. They do make bank doing that.
@charlesmorrison84593 жыл бұрын
The most interesting part is that a private equity firm recently bought Jagex and somehow doesn't see the shadiness as an issue whatsoever
@LG-ro5le2 жыл бұрын
Runescape is just another reflection of the real world in the sense that it is just another society, people are just shady
@MaconHero073 жыл бұрын
Please guys, only use the duel arena for the dueling ring teleport
@Az__T3 жыл бұрын
Lava runes all day, get that rc up 🤙
@stephensmith41243 жыл бұрын
The abyss must be too hard for most people lol plus you want highest exp for your lvl being as its based on 0.5 exp per rune created higher than the previous rune used but meh OG RCer here 74 before deaths were even out
@FiindingEmo3 жыл бұрын
The easy answer, as long as someone is profiting who's got a nut hold on the game itself, they won't care. There's too much profit to be gained because the currency in Runescape is equal to real life money. All they have to do is ignore it, and they make more money on the side than their normal salary job.
@jacencade40193 жыл бұрын
not equal, but for an online currency, its better than bitcoin. (don't quote me on that).
@FiindingEmo3 жыл бұрын
@@jacencade4019 I dunno. I've just invested myself as I find it less inflated than the American dollar is currently. So in the worst case I got a chunk of change just in case. 😂
@nithwct52263 жыл бұрын
If it were polled, all the duel arena scammers would try and find a way to manipulate it. If it was completely fair, I think removing it would pass.
@XmuertenegraX3 жыл бұрын
We need a Rank 99 shooting star to wipe the arena off the map.
@rickniu41533 жыл бұрын
but.. my duel arena tele for fire altar :(
@Benzinilinguine3 жыл бұрын
@@rickniu4153 gotta crack an egg to make an omelet
@itsaw63533 жыл бұрын
@@rickniu4153 Fear not fellow runecrafter, for the fire altar is right outside.
@kagnetix66743 жыл бұрын
its really sad how this game is. People just want to have fun but yet it has become a scamming city with people losing there whole lives worth of money due to addiction for something that should be removed from the game for its abuse
@jlane11883 жыл бұрын
Forreal. I play a lot of MMO’s, but RuneScape was always my first. But none of the other games I’ve played have issues like RuneScape has. The dark side of Rs. Getting scammed, hacked; DDoS, your friends turning against you and stealing items you lend. When I play RuneScape I trust nobody. But on other MMO’s I can give someone huge amounts of money and they wouldn’t think twice about scamming me. RuneScape is just toxic. Feelsbadman
@ruicao42093 жыл бұрын
People need to take responsibility for themselves. They will find a way to gamble elsewhere. I have an addiction to opiates but I don’t blame the substance, drug dealers, US drug laws, nothing. Even if something isn’t your fault finding somewhere to put blame is going to do nothing for you.
@hgfv19973 жыл бұрын
People are forgetting this is a fucking game not a way of life, holy moly lost my bank twice at duely and I never sooked, it's people that are the problem not the duely
@christophercarrillo47263 жыл бұрын
Money and games should have never mixed :(
@elijahvalencia32933 жыл бұрын
@@jlane1188 Bullshit
@MikeDaKid4373 жыл бұрын
Imagine the games economy without the Duel Arena gold sink. Imagine the Grand Exchange without the Duel Arena. Filled with gambling bots and different gambling games and websites adverts. You think it’s bad now? There would be 10x more scamming, spamming, and shady shit going on. Sometimes the player base doesn’t know what’s good for it. The REAL problem are the bots. The Duel Arena is isolated. If you never teleported there, and ran all the way to it you would never knew it existed and it would never effect your game play. Bots on the other hand are at every turn. Every tree, fishing spot, and boss. Removing the Duel Arena just adds unsanctioned shady gambling to the Grand Exchange.
@mikedeez69673 жыл бұрын
Gold sink how? Buy bonds with cash>sell bonds on ge for gold (that comes from another player)>stake gold at duel arena>gold either stays with you (win) or goes to another player (lose). Its just massive amounts of gold going from player to player. The gold comes from in-game and stays in-game. It does, however, motivate gold farmers (alot of which use bots) to do their thing which introduces more items into the game which is causing the prices of most high end items to plummet. All so they can turn around and sell that gold to the next addict that needs a re-up.
@MrGaasvig3 жыл бұрын
Yassuo the league streamer also said that his gambling addiction came from the duel arena many years ago
@Myles_gs3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure this isn't much but just todo something. Could someone make a " remove the duel arena " graphic for the 90% of osrs streamers would do agree with removing / disabling the staking option of the duel arena ? Just a thought to get it in front of everyone's eyes.
@olas16k3 жыл бұрын
have all content creators put it as their background on social media and have it viewable in streams as well.
@theduder77093 жыл бұрын
Make a t-shirt and have them wear it. Or just pay mr Mammal to get it tattooed on himself. Lol
@xEric19933 жыл бұрын
Soulstealing the problem is that most content creators rely on the duel arena for content. Go look at the OSRS category on twitch. At any given time roughly 50% of the people streaming OSRS on twitch are just streaming staking.
@daleHarrison933 жыл бұрын
@@xEric1993 ye ur right there they wont fuck themselves the greedy wankers
@Parker_OSRS3 жыл бұрын
@Myles that's a great idea man. I'll totally make one. Not sure how to share it around tho haha
@jaked12133 жыл бұрын
Never thought about how many kids were introduced to gambling there… sad really
@Rng3VM4g33 жыл бұрын
Was my first exposure to gambling at the age of like 14
@omgfackdehell3 жыл бұрын
Oh the other hand, we were introduced to scammers at age 10-12
@Gucci05xx3 жыл бұрын
Went to the duel arena once and noped right out for the reat of my RS life.
@JoshPillault3 жыл бұрын
@@omgfackdehell And the scammers largely do it to sell it to gold selling websites, because the price is very high, because the demand from all the stakers is high. Then mega bot farms come in because the stakers are buying gold and keeping the price very worthwhile for someone to invest in making a massive bot farm. It all goes hand in hand. Remove the arena, demand for black market gold plummets (there will still be gambling of course but it will be MUCH more likely to have scams and many players will not seek to get involved in it because it won’t be sanctioned by the game like it is now) and the entire health of the game drastically improves. The gold sink is cool and all, but there are many other options for that. The arena needs to go.
@omgfackdehell3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshPillault Nice paragraph but the scammers back then didn't do it to sell to black markets
@Chisien3 жыл бұрын
I remember when EA got sued for lootbox gambling. With all the insane evidence and death threats, ddos, etc, im surprised Jagex hasn't hasn't sued
@Chip53873 жыл бұрын
If poker is considered gambling when it most likely involves a higher degree of skill then I don't know what this is.
@vliegfietsmeneer3 жыл бұрын
Something must be done
@eleazar68313 жыл бұрын
Boerenkool
@clownwrld73 жыл бұрын
in 2007 "bring the wildy back, we pay we say!" Yeah good luck bud
@NoName-pz1bq3 жыл бұрын
RIP for that grandma who will forever be locked in that cage
@DylansPhotos3 жыл бұрын
F
@rblyle3823 жыл бұрын
I get this reference
@GrundleWizard3 жыл бұрын
Rip grandma
@Jamgwarn3 жыл бұрын
Manked got the mind-set point spot on. I was 60 levels off maxing, friend convinced me to stake.. got from 1b-3b, lost it, bought 3b back an got to 7b, lost all of that and haven’t played since (like 4 months ago)
@Dylan-qb8br3 жыл бұрын
Buy 7b, you can get to 14b ez
@flufftopher3 жыл бұрын
Lemme have your acc
@MrCEO-13 жыл бұрын
Clearly your not staking enough
@FatalityEvade6143 жыл бұрын
I personally fall under the category that Manked explained, I spent 300~ hours making 600m, went to the duel arena for fun and made 200m in an hour or so.. ever since that day I probably lost about $4,000~ USD in gold never played the game the way it was meant to be played and that spiraled me into an irl gambling addiction where I'm down around $30,000 USD, The duel arena is where I first got introduced to gambling 5 odd years ago, and now I'm currently trying to battle this gambling addiction with no avail..
@zefzima3 жыл бұрын
16:25 is the reason I only play ironman.
@TomCurrell3 жыл бұрын
Removing the duel arena is such a no brainer that there must be some shady reason Jagex won't do it.
@Obito19943 жыл бұрын
@@BAMFshee I highly highly doubt the people gambling 1b at a time are buying bonds . You got it all wrong
@neckpepe14043 жыл бұрын
I havent stepped in duel arena to duel since rs2, only for clue scrolls. Its usefulness is far gone.
@YorickSchouten3 жыл бұрын
@@Obito1994 You're right. Those guys are begging their viewers for it instead, working themselves in to debt
@Obito19943 жыл бұрын
@@YorickSchouten yeah and racking up there Visa cards
@Obito19943 жыл бұрын
@MtDewsgood youtube gold is less than half to buy it off a website
@brandon2363 жыл бұрын
someone needs to download this video rightnow before it's taken down. IMMORTALIZE IT!
@chef41673 жыл бұрын
Staking at the duel arena as a kid led to 10+ years of irl gambling addiction that I only beat 2 years ago
@Ash_Lawless3 жыл бұрын
if they polled "should we remove the duel arena" I Garuntee it'd pass with 90+%.
@anonym55103 жыл бұрын
I feel like it wouldnt pass actually, So many bots/people who spend their life at the arena will vote no. It needs to be a forced update!
@ZNX053 жыл бұрын
@@anonym5510 yep. That's a problem with community based voting alongside the many alts that bot owners have they can vote on to vote against anything beneficial to the game or if it hinders their ability to make gp.
@TheComcom993 жыл бұрын
Well it sounds like its time for a riot boys
@DisagreeingMantis3 жыл бұрын
I have almost never used to duel arena and it doesn't need to be taken out. We don't need to shutdown all casinos in America because there are gambling addicts either. Its up to the individual and the people around them to guide and protect them from themselves. It's time people started taking some responsibility for their actions, and realize they have consequences. Nobody has ever been forced into gambling runescape gold, and it's not like it turns into real cash anyways. I will always be voting no to the removal of the arena, good luck
@Nordern3 жыл бұрын
if Jagex had big brain they'd have a Jmod at the duel arena banning the advertising bots continously, the amount of member paying players would double!
@TheCoatHangers3 жыл бұрын
People lose money at the duel arena, then buy bonds... and repeat. How much money do you think Jagex makes off of bonds? It's the same scenario as the rs3 squeal of fortune.
@blacksquirtle91193 жыл бұрын
People at the duel arena don’t buy bonds, they go black market
@Goregreet3 жыл бұрын
There is like thousands if not millions of dollars to be made from the duel arena My guess is that jagex's motives are a lot wider than just ppl who buy bonds Remember they can do anything they want in game and make it so that nobody will notice
@OldQueer3 жыл бұрын
@@blacksquirtle9119 Someone is buying bonds/membership at some point to gold farm for the black market. I suspect Jagex would lose a lot of money if they resolved these issues.
@buckflacks3 жыл бұрын
Y'all act like jagex isnt out their selling the gold them selfs lmfao. Did you forget they own and run the game?
@RockBandRS3 жыл бұрын
@@blacksquirtle9119 There are definitely some that buy bonds to fuel their addiction. It's not like jagex needs everyone at the duel arena to buy bonds to make it lucrative, just need a few whales.
@veer123ism3 жыл бұрын
I think whole osrs twitch/youtube community should group up and finally let Jagex see that this is no go anymore!
@DaVailis3 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea. Streamer/youtuber privilage can be veylry useful in this situation.
@misaeldz3 жыл бұрын
Jagex doenst gives a shit from youtube and twitch normies influencers, neither reddit nerds. Only thing that would shamble them is a legal action from the UK law.
@veer123ism3 жыл бұрын
@@DaVailis Yea thats what i though too!
@veer123ism3 жыл бұрын
@@misaeldz I mean if all twitch streamers and youtube content creators would stop streaming osrs for a week or so they would notice that. (they don't have to stop streaming as it is some streamers main income, just a idea)
@bootykraken71773 жыл бұрын
Duel arena isnt the issue, its retards not having self control.
@adamnoah1213 жыл бұрын
I remember staking in 2009 I won over 1.5b, I ended up losing it all eventually because of my greed but during that high of having all that gp, I felt like doing anything else in the game was absolutely pointless. I even stopped pking.
@REALLRAPMUSIC2 жыл бұрын
Ive quit i got 5b 2 years ago and lost them 2 weeks after I still have 100m or so but it feels pointless
@Wicked2v23 жыл бұрын
why was it so easy to ADD the grand exchange to the game but is impossible to REMOVE the duel arena
@RspsDanik3 жыл бұрын
we aren't forgiving, we are all little addicts inside
@WesthamOSRS3 жыл бұрын
how u been king
@GangBlud3 жыл бұрын
Made 120M through pking, hired a duel account and made 400M. Then tried my luck once again, lost it all and quit.
@clairhibiki3 жыл бұрын
the number one hate of mine when it comes to companies or businesses is encouraging gambling. it's completely vile and inhumane.
@petergoldvain3 жыл бұрын
We need to do an in game protest to demand the removal of the Sand Casino
@TheSaiyanLegend3 жыл бұрын
It all boils down to money, Jagex is clearly making a killing off the arena, why would they want to hurt their pockets?
@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies3 жыл бұрын
How did I know that one of the top comments would be from some kid who doesn't understand how business works.. Yes, this company that has been around for two decades only cares about short term profit. Sure.
@TheSaiyanLegend3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies duel arena has been around since 2004, how is that short term?
@CYellowan3 жыл бұрын
We need one of these every second month. With new aspects just looked at, real nasty piece of work Jagex has done here. I am inpressed.
@elliot50082 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe they’re actually removing it, yeah it’s unethical but they basically have a casino without the license. The revenue they must be making is insane and it’s completely legal. Tax wise this is almost unheard of!
@MrBriskTea3 жыл бұрын
Literally EVERYBODY would back this up besides the concurring stakers. I was addicted myself for awhile but I completely quit the game and don’t plan on coming back, no duel arena or not. The economy is dying, duel arena still flourishing and flowing millions of REAL dollars and only a main focus to iron men nothing for PvP. My advice quit the game and start grinding irl, even if you’re well off, better yourself more by ridding yourself of this toxicity. The game I once loved as a child and teenager, now nothing but a nuisance and deep regrets. Good luck people.
@papakuli62893 жыл бұрын
Little do they know some of the “elite” stakers created actual online casinos
@peterkeigwin8473 жыл бұрын
Lol Fishy, SmiteYoBGS 😂
@Yuchubu03 жыл бұрын
@@peterkeigwin847 smiteyourrouter* TriHard
@curvedhorn3 жыл бұрын
the arena negatively effects my game experience a lot
@letstalksoccer61593 жыл бұрын
I mean everyone knows Jagex doesn't ban accounts that are paying for membership. They only ban free-to-play accounts that don't pay for membership. Once upon a time, my friend botted the guards in the desert beside the bank on an account that wasn't on membership and he ended up getting Ban pretty quick for offensive language which is weird. He then botted the same guards on a membership account to 99 in multiple combat skills but didn't get banned at all. But on the non-member account, he got ban really quick.
@TotobamfRS3 жыл бұрын
I feel like jagex has been dodging the duel arena issue for years.. I wonder why?
@wpgrunner53 жыл бұрын
4:33 thought my monitor was super dirty for a moment. Thanks for that. Great vid.
@OdysseyK3 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah me too
@tomriddle50373 жыл бұрын
KempQ: if you organized a riot in fally to get rid of the duel arena, you would get a TON of followers. Just give me a time and date and I’ll be there.
@GregorHey3 жыл бұрын
Manked was right on the head with what he said. When i first got into OSRS all i did was quest and slayer and i loved every second of it, once i hit 99 slayer (had around 340m bank) and i wanted to work on getting those buyables out the way so i tried the duel arena, walked way with 2b-3b that night with some friends and just stood at the bank, i never wanted to play the game and just went back to the arena, got cleaned and bought gold and started the cycle over again. I currently put rs down for about 7 months after the last incident. Getting money that quick isn't good, you don't learn anything that way and a lot of people think when you have that much the game becomes enjoyable because you can do every boss, its just not fun any more. Seeing those big drops (before the eco crash) like dragon hunter crossbows just feel like drops in the bucket or you have this urge to stake your split to make double.
@Thenewwway3 жыл бұрын
I’m 24 and can confirm playing RuneScape for 15+ Years cultivated my gambling addiction to a now sickening low.. evolving from seemingly harmless pixels on a screen to real money im supposed to use for important things, I don’t feel like myself anymore. The worst part is the emotional roller coaster.. some days you’re riding high and others you’re in the pit.. kinda wish I never started playing RuneScape as it certainly exposed me to behavior I’d probably never have experienced as a child otherwise..
@RealRamaladni10 ай бұрын
Hang in there, man
@PieterPips3 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder what even is the point in playing osrs, with stuff like this going on..
@somenormie3 жыл бұрын
You’d have to be extremely naive to not see the endless beneficial possibilities that Jagex has via the Duel Arena
@SirAdammmmm3 жыл бұрын
Can't help but wonder whether the game would be successful enough to keep running without all of the associations with duel arena.
@JustHereForTheDialogue3 жыл бұрын
I dont gamble myself but i like the idea of adding the option to perma ban yourself from the arena. People would just have to bring themselves to click that button one time and its over. Imagine the sense of relief a mouse click like that would be for a person. They could and should also just remove it outright.
@justinwalton101711 ай бұрын
From the future: Mod trident and Stella further supports this alleged collusion between Jagex and the staking(now death matching) community
@allenmanivong11513 жыл бұрын
I guess the term “duel arena take skill” was a loop hole cuz you gotta “level up” technically. Just wrong
@camrynfairclough17273 жыл бұрын
That was my thoughts too. "Well technically you need to level these attributes we call 'skills' to compete. So if it takes a 'skill', it is a 'skill'."
@TheFukahater3 жыл бұрын
@@camrynfairclough1727 isnt that what defending your case against the law is all about in any given situation? the laws are sentences that are pretty grey but theres some white and black to it , you can just jig on the words and turn it to your advantage this is exactly what every defendant in a court is doing.
@Sahbab113 жыл бұрын
Tbf there's hybrid tournaments held in the DA that take tons of skill
@blackfirediamond36463 жыл бұрын
Why dont we change the bets to dual coins if u win or lose u get some dual coins like ever other mini game a point system
@fosui74243 жыл бұрын
They need to remove it if they aren't going to age gate it. This is gambling and should not be allowed for anyone that cannot legally gamble. This is a very bad thing for young kids to get into at an early age.
@blueb28306 ай бұрын
RIP Duel Arena. you were a REAL ONE
@elisteele5743 жыл бұрын
You rock man, thanks for doing what you do.
@Amer_ica3 жыл бұрын
Jagex: Deny RuneScape is addictive Me: 4K hours played
@Ohfishyfishyfish2 жыл бұрын
The guy at 16:08 really nailed what went wrong with another MMO I used to play: Puzzle Pirates. Fun game where you play puzzles to power and fix your ship and you all work as a team to sail your pirate ship, defeat other crews of players, and even go to war. They introduced poker as one of the piratey activities you could do and it diminished everything else in the game as a result. It wasn't worth going out with yer mateys for 20,000 pieces of eight for an hour long pillaging adventure when you could make that much in one hand of poker. The game still lives, just barely, and so does poker on the game, because of course you can pay real money for in-game coins. They hooked enough whales that it was worth it to the developers to let the whole spirit of the game die.
@chingischanas23513 жыл бұрын
Remove duel arena -> Runescape gold plummets in price -> a high number of people will stop playing because they were not playing for fun -> Jagex loses a lot of money because a significant ammount of people stopped buying memberships and bonds. Thats the simple logic behind why duel arena will always exist in runescape and nobody can do anything about it
@heavensplayer3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Beetlejuicer3 жыл бұрын
I feel like every jagex mod is doing some "off the record" shit. Like implementing something that they shouldn't, or just even straight exploiting shit.
@peterkeigwin8473 жыл бұрын
Or there is a group within them taking home unsolicited wire transfers. I say the uk equivalent of the SEC and IRS need to do an internal investigation at Jagex
@MightAngel3 жыл бұрын
Might easily be just the statistics whereby they can see duel arena and bonds have a big correlation, which is why the upper management is handling it. Not necessarily jmods things
@blsg72112 жыл бұрын
The t bow spawns support this ^
@SyrusTheCreation3 жыл бұрын
i've actually never stepped foot into a real casino because i found out when i was young that i was a gambling addict due to the duel arena. no lie
@goatgamingyt29643 жыл бұрын
I was addicted to duel arena. Serious illness.
@goatgamingyt29643 жыл бұрын
I would spend 10 or so hours a day their.. I won't go into to much details but it omg it was bad.
@J0sh3513 жыл бұрын
It's a reason why ironman mode is really popular too, people turn to restricted accounts to get away from gambling and rediscover the good side of the game as a result.
@datboi75993 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a third-party company that comes in and actually takes care of this… They don’t need to fix it from within because this is clearly something they are in on
@jamesdean35213 жыл бұрын
You’ve lost two in a row. Surely you will win this next chuck. Ok nobody ever loses four in a row. Sell that tbow and chuck it. You’ll be ahead if you win. Itch that scratch.
@mowgli89433 жыл бұрын
I'm also glad you mentioned the bond purchasing. RWT is only acceptable if you put money in Jagex pocket. Rules for thee and not for Me, and people are okay with this? lol absolutely crazy
@SomeNordicMan3 жыл бұрын
Stay away from the Duel Arena.
@lazerpigeon3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for another video like this. Actual living legend
@lazerpigeon3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 what
@lazerpigeon3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 lol
@lazerpigeon3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 but why are you so weird and toxic? Literally did nothing to you. Maybe you're part of the group hes talking about. Idk bro, stay mad
@lazerpigeon3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweet9964 good one
@lance44543 жыл бұрын
I've never staked at the duel arena. Actually as soon as I realized that everything I was doing on my account revolved around GP I quit and I made an ironman. No ragerts
@Aaeie2 жыл бұрын
good idea i lost like 10b
@novitepoker85943 жыл бұрын
its so fucking obvious since they added the "tax" that rakes the gamblers to death. It used to be fair, but OSRS duel arena is literally roulette
@bostonnate40242 жыл бұрын
They know when they put something up for vote, the majority say yes, which isn’t right. They are destroying the game
@Ash_Lawless3 жыл бұрын
I don't usually like videos, but this one Really deserves it.
@noahn81303 жыл бұрын
DAMN you came for blood with this one! All facts too! Duel Arena is toxic.
@liamlennox35043 жыл бұрын
it needs removing this is such a toxic side of runescape, people spend thousands and lose irl money doing this
@alanmccarthy79193 жыл бұрын
I literally lost years of grinding yesterday, I know my own fault but a friend of mine won and it was tempting. Group ironman is literally the only thing I'm waiting on
@stephensmith41243 жыл бұрын
Runescape has and always will be about the journey, your progress, YOUR WAY of doing things. A quick profit at the arena will warp your view on the value of gp and infact effort. If something is too easy, it's not worth it. IM and HCIM even UIM are taking over because they hold the essence of what OSRS is: a game you play your way. One thing my main always bothered me was: I could make cash and just buy the gear that is from drops, making it pointless because its just there to help you kill the same monsters but faster (yay?) HCIM on the other hand forces me to play myself and learn how to do bosses and plan effective routes to obtain goals, I don't have a pc and play mobile but even so I wouldn't use veggielite sorry runelite because it dumbs down the game and your brain won't need to function. The sence of accomplishment when you kill jad for the first time, do DS2, kill Kree : it's going to feel better that you did that yourself, not oh yay my BiS gear did all the work while sand crabs trained my cb whoo!
@clownwrld73 жыл бұрын
lmao good luck waiting for the next 10 years
@tylerneisinger2063 жыл бұрын
If there was "fun weapons" regardless, and you being unable to view inventory's, would help. Atleast for now. Anything else, just take it to the wild.
@DivineLight6613 жыл бұрын
Being unable to see your opponents inventory would be a huge problem considering how many different scams exist
@tylerneisinger2063 жыл бұрын
@@DivineLight661 like i said, anything else could be brought to pvp world or wild. Its not a perminant fix, just something to stop the rwt and all around gambaling.
@DivineLight6613 жыл бұрын
@@tylerneisinger206 if you wanna stop rwt then remove free trade and add bh back into the game, no more normal pvp, just bh
@longandwindingroad3 жыл бұрын
im so happy i quit this game, and never gambled when i did play
@BunChubb3 жыл бұрын
The reason why they dont remove it is because of bonds. Some people dont buy gp they buy bonds for gp and stake it over and over and over again losing thousends while runescape earns thousend from each of them. Pros and cons of removing staking: pros: players get cured from staking and acctually play. They will habe fun again. Cons: Bonds will sky rocket because there will be more demand and no supplies. Some people might turn to 3rd party gambling which is highly rigged. Players will quit in a huge quantity which is good and bad. Good because these players are the debt staker and scammers. Bad because of player count.
@TotobamfRS3 жыл бұрын
I've build up a gambling addiction because of the duel arena. I've lost over 30k + at only the age of 23. Moved on to real casino's. I still struggle with my addiciton as we speak. It is just mind blowing that the duel arena still exists.