I Love Deadlock. I Don’t Love Valve.

[@TestingTriangles]

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[@hydrobyte8333]

I liked your video. But. Extremely long video that could have been 10 minutes. So much speculation about Valve's intentions or how the game *could* do poorly when it's very clearly not and arguing moot points about ideas you don't follow up on. A lot of this comes across as whining about things you are new to. Like character balance seemed to be a huge gripe but you only talked about 2 characters and both have very clear counters/build options you didn't touch on or expand on. You say character balance is awful but you dont elaborate on the cast at all you just complain about Seven. I was interested to hear your thoughts and got a scrubquote. Or how there are far too many items that bog new players down despite there literally being a "Builds" tab for that reason. (You are right though not enough items build into each other). So much surface level initial thoughts (which is fine) but to make a 45 minute video that strays off topic time and time again about it seems wild. You have a few genuinely good points and ideas I agree with. The towers could be paced better, Valve *is* very hands off historically, there is a cheater problem, and while it's great to be optimistic about a new fun game there are clearly issues. Sticking to those instead of trying to make long all encompassing videos like this could be great. Your last section was what I clicked for.

[@salvatoreharan]

I completely agree with this. Halfway through and this feels so drawn out and off topic

[@remarkablehairdo3110]

Pretty much how i feel about the entire trend of super long youtube videos lately. It couldve just been 10 minutes or at least the script written out as an article i could read in 10 minutes instead of watching a 45 minute drawn out video of someone reading it out loud trying to make it dramatic with distracting footage in the background. These longer form videos would do so much better as written articles. Just feels padded out for ads and watch time

[@Gorpos]

Wow I cannot believe I just spent 44 minutes listening to this. Why in all of the nine hells you spent 30 minutes explaining how the game works? That can easily be a separate video you could direct people to. This could have been a 10 minute video so you can let everyone know you have the same cookie cutter opinion that everyone has. Yes, valve dropped the ball on tf2. Will they do it again to deadlock or dota or cs2? Maybe. Maybe not. Games don’t last forever. Not every game is wow, even then that game is entirely different than 20 years ago. Enjoy your time and when it’s not fun, you move on. It’s seems like you still very much like this game and will keep playing it until x amount of time. So enjoy it, and when you don’t enjoy it, stop playing it. If I was raid shadow legends I would pull my ad from this video.

[@isaacargesmith8217]

Didnt they ALREADY do that with CS2 to an extent tho? Like the game's isnt in that good of a state especially with how much was removed with moving to CS2 and cheatings on an all time high if i recall too isnt it? Like CS2 is in a horrible state frankly.

[@madengineerkyouma]

Can't trust Valve. Promotes Raid Shadow Legends. Can't make this stuff up...

[@ADreamingTraveler]

The guys description is just blasting people with nonstop promos and ads it's actually insane. Pretty sure the only reason he made this video was for clickbait.

[@TekharthaMondatta]

I won't be surprised if Deadlock goes dark for some time in a month or two so Valve can put the polish on it. As long as they give folks a headsup/reminder that this was an alpha playtest and they're going offline til open beta/release, I'm fine with it. They've had a very stellar showing, they just need to carry that momentum through to an official launch. I have faith.

[@obitosenju3768]

They confirmed it will be open right up to official realase

[@akkaq6318]

they dont do that. its like dota2 beta forever

[@TheCarnivaI]

I just hope they go into “open beta” sometime this year and release ranked with it. Playing unranked is still awesome for now but you gotta give the competitive players what they came for before they leave.

[@aiaoi5048]

Probably going the dota2 route during the 2012~2013 time

[@likenthis]

Trusted with it? They made it wtf you think is going to happen they just going to give it away for the good of the community.

[@lada-1337]

You're surprised there isn't some sophisticated system for automatically removing cheaters in an an early alpha playtest? Also saying Deadlock has a "cheating problem" right now is just really inaccurate, seems like you're making up situations in your head to get upset about for what you think is a good KZbin video

[@ADreamingTraveler]

They literally are the reason it even exists. What are you even talking about lmao

[@TheOneTheyCallShandy]

"We mainly just think its a lot more effective to playtest the game early with real players and use their feedback to help us prioritize and make better decisions around whats good and bad in the game, rather than develop it in a vacuum for too long." - Yoshi

[@itsjenyoumen]

To be fair. The game Alpha was leaked months ago and people were shitting on the Alpha designs and how Valve was trying to copy the Overwatch trend. I think Valve didn't want those initial reactions to poison well before it released. So Valve is just letting the game speak for itself by letting people play it early to an extent.

[@SalYvesErames]

Lmao, cant be trusted? Dota used the same approach as what deadlock is doing now by letting a selected few play alpha, then make everyone play the beta and releasing it after 2 years. Then Dota 2 has remained consistently in the top 3 most played on Steam for a decade. Your concerns about hero niches and item counters starting at 31:30, are literally inherent to MOBAs. Every hero/character has their own niche what a surprise!!! For example, if you're constantly getting parried as an Abrams, maybe dont just mindlessly hit Q?You can use mind games to bait a parry or leverage your high-damage shotgun. You can also escape from a Seven by breaking line of sight with your ultimate. As for item counters, that’s exactly what items are meant to address. It sounds like you're frustrated because these mechanics are challenging to learn, and are too bothered to read the countless amount of items provided as an option for your personalized build. Your rants are very similar to how some gaming journalists criticize the difficulty of games like Elden Ring. You cant just expect a game to cater to you "low skill" issue capabilities.

[@malif1279]

That brings an interesting point actually in the gaming community Why is going "lol scrub just git gud" at every Elden Ring and Soulsborne criticism deemed acceptable, yet those same people will cry about how modern games have too high of a skill ceiling and that if you don't play like a fresh account constantly you're a "sweaty tryhard" Is it because your ego doesn't get hurt as much when you get killed by the same NPC boss for the 35th time than when some random human being kills you without dying for the 5th time?

[@sneedmasterflsh]

45 minutes to blabber on about nothing

[@noway-i8u]

I can’t trust anyone who’s shilling raid shadow legends

[@DeadFishFactory]

If there's any reason to not trust Valve, it's because of their track record of "abandoning" games, otherwise I trust them to deliver a quality product any day of the week.

[@alexw6565]

I feel like a big wording choice that is somewhat misleading is constantly referring to this game just as another “early access” game, while true, I feel the context that this is a “early alpha playtest” changes a lot of feeling towards the game, especially in regards to points like the poor anti cheat,, which makes a lot more sense when you consider this is an early playtest

[@erieriderschillingcorner1595]

I love valve. They're like that guy who you barely know, all you know is that he makes a lot of money, and then sometimes appears out of nowhere, drops some kind of sick ass banger and then disappears again.

[@misira8256]

Shooting is simpler. because the game wants you to move like ninja while shooting. You shoot while in mid air, sliding, dashing. If you add recoil, it will not feel good. When people master the movement (which you clearly haven't), it is a whole another game.

[@powpowdingdong]

Raid Shadow Legends 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@zinv08]

Everyone starts somewhere

[@saschaberger3212]

I rather laugh about the millions who play and spend money on it. Let him hustle and pay the bills

[@OfLanceTheLonginus]

And it’s on a clout chasing video too lmao

[@SoulStrikes]

pay the bills on a vid that won't do views cause its bait asf,glad I have my adblock and sponsor block on lmao

[@remarkablehairdo3110]

​@@saschaberger3212millions wouldnt play it and pay money for it if they didnt have youtubers shilling the garbage left and right..

[@Skratzy]

…. Valve is the Amazon of the gaming industry because all their IPs are so successful, they legit don’t need to update or care for their communities on a social level. With 350 employees, 1 billion USD in loot box sales per year (and growing) , the PC gaming monopoly that is Steam. … yet you are saying Valve will “mistreat” the IP? You mean the community. There is a distinction of what is neglected, the common caution should be “Remember , they are a company for profit” Even though I have fun with Valve still, it’s equally as importantly present.

[@kittymoo3297]

As an outsider to the genre I can honestly say the biggest thing that's kept me from putting more time into the game is the match lengths. I know you said it seems like they've taken steps to shorten matches, but I'm often ending up in games that are 30 or 40 minutes and it's a bit too much of a time commitment for a single match, it certainly prevents me from playing 'one more game' rather often.

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

Valve can't trust themselves to know what audiences will like based on a guesstimate alone. Besides the complete failures of Artefact, Underlords and the arguable misfire of CS2's launch, they've also nearly messed up with "Neon Prime". They had to completely rewrite Alyx's plot when the game was already in a finished state. They were very confident with Artefact and even the early buzz for CS2 was positive... All that, while a strong negative sentiment from older Valve fans has already started building around Deadlock -- it had something to prove now. Whatever happens to Deadlock next, releasing Deadlock now wasn't a _poor_ decision on Valve's part, History will judge if it was the right one.

[@jamesraposa942]

the fact items don't combine is a fundamentally flawed system in mobas by far the worst feature

[@GodYexiu]

If they change the towers to how they are in other MOBA games, the game will be destroyed. Nobody, especially new players want to get back to 1h 30m games that are just a struggle at some point. (Yes higher elo will usually quit early. Won't happen tho if you get more than 2 Players in Promo-Games on the slightly losing team.) This game is meant to be fast paced. - And there are already quite a few people quitting because they get close to an hour per game in higher elo games.

[@galdocstutorials]

After going so hard on some of the scummier business practices of the gaming industry, I am kind of shocked to see you pushing FOMO from the sponsor, RSL. But ... I get it. Rent is a whole thing. Not judging. Saddened, but I get it.

[@MadandMajorGaming0]

“Players are more likely to use a controller and are moving away from mouse and keyboard” citation needed? PC gaming has been on a steep upturn with the prevalence of streaming putting a lot of PC centric titles in the spotlight.

[@remarkablehairdo3110]

"wasting my time playing this garbage" - 5 minutes after trying to convince people to play Paid Shadow Legends.. 💀

[@doodleEeto]

tldw: There was no point. This is a Raid Shadow Legends ad.

[@sparquisdesade]

Let's just get it overwith an say what we ALL know WE'RE all thinking when it comes to Deadlock. This was originally SO SUPPOSED to be Team Fortress 3 but Gabe's unspoken hate for the number 3 got in the way.

[@NoraNoita]

it's not even out yet, chill.

[@leftygurl]

close enough, welcome back battleborne

[@basti.9022]

Except its not dogsht

[@malif1279]

Battleborn and Titanfall 2 2 games that I loved that were butchered on release due to stupid release schedules... At least you can still play Tf2 though 😔

[@babon9697]

Great vid. But pls change the hate baity title. People might get the wrong idea, and just ignore and dismiss the great points you have on the vid.

[@Luther_the_Developer]

Surprised you touched on the issue with MOBAs (pvp games in general really) but didn't really expand on it. The issue of a playerbase's skill floor being continuously raised and eventually that floor becomes far too high for anyone to scale. Yes yes, get in early now, but also stay on the treadmill and don't fall off. Don't take a 6 month break. I have no clue why TF2 is still approachable despite all this time passing but DOTA2 is impossible. Why can you still play Overwatch brand new but playing CoD as a newbie is like pulling teeth. I don't think it's as simple as mechanical complexity. There's something about how certain games are built that makes them insane (playerbase wise) after a certain point. Not sure if you'll explore that in a video but I think Deadlock's problem is less Valve not caring for it/supporting it and more like, this feeling you get when you play that just screams, "oh man, this is fun, after the first break I take from this, I won't ever get back on." Or maybe that's just me idk lol

[@delve9053]

So you don’t enjoy cs or valorant? Like the high floor is the fun of it, why play something ur good at already. At that point just play something casual, it’s competitive for a reason and that’s why it’s a sport

[@Luther_the_Developer]

@@delve9053 This thought process is what feeds into the problem y'know? Every argument about SBMM, every talk about meta shifts, every fight over bad matchups, they all come back to this thought that different skilled audiences should play different games. But this isn't true. The games that succeed and last are the ones that can pull the casual and the hardcore. The worst players and the best.

[@cheesypoohalo]

I'm not even sure you can play Overwatch brand new, if you go in brand new you're going to be doing a ton of 'what the heck just killed me?' because there are just so many characters and abilities and you need to know them all. A new player has to understand shooting Genji can get you killed if he reflects, how the invincibility mechanics work (e.g. Baptiste's immortality field), what all the ultimates do and how to counter them, etc. I've seen many games where players literally lose from bad picks, like playing Junkrat into Pharah and never switching to a hit-scan to counter her. Even basic things like learning to utilise Lucio's speed boost are lost on new players, they just sit on healing all game. The worst part is Overwatch, along with any game with a competitive focus, does practically nothing to teach players. If you want to learn Overwatch, you have to spend hours watching KZbin tutorials. At last with Call of Duty you can play a lengthy campaign to learn the basics, with Overwatch you just get thrown straight in with smurfs wiping the floor with you and yelling at you for getting sniped by a Hanzo arrow from across the map.

[@Luther_the_Developer]

@@cheesypoohalo Surprising. I haven't played OW2, but I remember when I first started Overwatch 1, they threw me into a guided tutorial and then after that I had to queue into a bot match. They don't do this anymore? Edit - It was good enough for me to get the basics and because the roster was limited back then, I felt pretty competent going into real PvP. Not sure just how bad it's gotten.

[@mrclean2224]

​@@Luther_the_Developer fighting games, CS, CoD, OW, DOTA, LoL, Halo, and any other series with competitive multiplayer faces these issues. i dont personally think that differently skilled people should play different games, but at the same time if you cant get to a baseline and it makes you angry then you should play something else because the game isnt made with your tastes in mind. CoD is a MASSIVE game, and plenty of people find it hard to get into because of the super low ttk, so they play something else instead

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

I'm just happy to know Testing Triangle plays Dota ❤️

[@malif1279]

It's Icefrog tbh when it comes to balancing and content I'm not worried at all, hes always been fantastic at leading the devs at valve to do something for once and do it for more than a few years Only thing I'm worried about is the anticheat, because VAC is a joke and Valve Allows Cheaters

[@BlondeCyborg]

This is not a game for casuals. If you believe so, you're unaware of the depth of micro mechanics that can give you an edge over players that play like Overwatch.

[@ZXM500]

I think what he meant by casual was that it's more approachable, not that it has a lower skill ceiling.

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

cool story edgelord

[@alexw6565]

The game definitely has a lot of depth and skill expression, but it is definitely still very approachable for new players, simply because the game loop is *fun*, my entire friend group who rarely play hero shooters or mobas have been in love with this game, even though it’s very deep

[@silkytv]

I find it hilarious how all these videos use Team Fortress 2 as the reason Deadlock will fail. Valve supported that game for WAAAAY longer than 99% of live service games. Please go check the release date of Team Fortress 2 then look at the last update for the game. Honestly baffling how stupid and entitled people are. If you even go by a more recent game, look at Dota which gets generous amounts of updates and huge events for over a decade.

[@zszyTW]

DoTA2 was rolled out as invite only to begin with.

[@nicjolas]

i cant believe bro shilled out for RAID SHADOW LEGENDS... of all the possible sponsors, seriously??? after you made those huge videos about evil/scummy microtransactions...

[@pisk64]

Ok valve bad yadda yadda, but if not for Valve, then who else? EA? Ubisoft? BETHESDA?

[@Zachiscoolkinda]

Honesty i completely agree. As a massive counterstrike fan and now officially a deadlock fan, I'm worried about it. It's absolutely insane how counterstrike is in such an awful state that a majority of players would rather just play cs:go, but we can't. There are just so many issues going on with it, and it's only a year old. I won't be surprised if valve makes a big mess of deadlock just like my beloved cs:go

[@ZALYVES]

I always laugh when reading comments like CS2 bad nobody likes to play it yet the game has more players than ever before and Valve has been actively working on patches every week. It even has 1.3 million peak players in the last 24 hours. The loud minority are always complaining online while majority are just enjoying the game. CS2 will eventually be good ez.

[@benybikar1486]

i play smite so deadlock def feels natural

[@senpafl4405]

Your entire channel is built on analyses about predatory video game practices. And you go ahead and make a deal with Raid of all things, one of THE apex predators. Not smart.

[@rion2984]

Great video even trough I don’t really agree with some points you made, one funny thing to point out is the “imbalance” examples you made at high level play Abram is S tier and Seven is C tier, just goes to show how complex and deep the game really is once you get better and more used to the game will be nice to see how your view on it evolves.

[@olwiz]

I love Valve. I dont love deadlock

[@ZacTheCrippleFTW]

I tried playing this game and nope'd out after the lane tutorial...I'm not smart enough or strong enough emotionally to handle moba stuff man...plus my hands are physically incapable (shout outs to Cerebral Palsy) of playing games on keyboard so I've been using Xpadder to play on controller and it works perfect. But, disadvantages are what they are... I've heard about this toxic moba community stuff and if I say "yeah sorry I'm on controller" they're going to kill everyone I care about. I'm good.

[@alexw6565]

Not enjoying the game is completely fair, but I will say currently the community is actually pretty great, since there isn’t a ranked mode most people are pretty chill, and most games I am in are very positive, the vibe is very different from the typical, “mobs toxicity”

[@huddleaw]

Where can I get an invite?

[@motorpolitan8884]

Why are you changing the title?

[@DarenKajiWolf]

I kikda hate both, one cuz is just another moba but at least I can use the Wasd to move and shoot effectively, it's hardcore and is a really long play time. Funny to see raid shadow legends here, at leas you are getting some money.

[@mintz4022]

When i heard "care and respect for their games" i could only think about tf2's situation. Good video though

[@thespookylocker]

Inv?

[@Mephaistus]

I just wish it wasnt another moba

[@samantha_t99]

Tbh Valve are just as scummy as EA, Activision, Blizzard etc. when it comes to microtransactions and loot boxes, but they always get a pass just because it's Valve. Skins ruined CS, it's clear they only care about the money as the only updates are for new cases.

[@OfLanceTheLonginus]

That is a flat out lie and you know it. Activision has proven time and time again that they’re the bottom of the barrel, but sure, go compare valve to the company that turned WoW into the hollow garbage pile that it is today. Goddamn I hate flimsy comparisons.

[@OfLanceTheLonginus]

You’re talking about skins compared to companies that pump out p2w content on a regular basis. This is so insane. What an insane take.

[@saschaberger3212]

@@OfLanceTheLonginus weird morals bro. Valve has implemented another layer of monetization with their market. Players buy loot boxes, valve makes money. Players trade the skins, valve makes more money. Traded skins accumulate money that can only be spent on their platform (in their tos and no gambling sides don't count here), valve keeps the money. Because it's not pay to win it's better? Nah it's less shady

[@OfLanceTheLonginus]

@@saschaberger3212 Did you miss the part in my post where I said activision pumps out p2w content on a regular basis? Skins are skins, but selling a quick and cheap alternative to grinding is exactly what valve never EVER touches. This is a comparison between valve and activision based on customer response, not player-to-player interactions, but if little jimmy zoomer can use his moms credit card and suddenly become the most dominating player in the game? No thanks sascha. And that’s exactly what happened to WoW. Don’t call my morals weird as an opener please, I hate mudslinging.

[@saschaberger3212]

@@OfLanceTheLonginus fair enough

[@Axolotlian]

I was excited about this game before i saw how woke it looks. Has a BINARY robot.

[@justink8156]

Bro when you say "woke" you're mad at the wrong people. Queer people exist everywhere and deserve to be represented in media. The problem is companies try too hard to look good and overcompensate because they want more money, they don't actually care. And that just winds up producing bad writing and making gay people look bad.

[@Tdugg]

Hear me out. What if, instead of testing triangles 🔺️ we started testing squares? ⏹️