I'm Finally Moving On (I have a new browser)

My journey with Arc was...weird. If you followed me here, I'm sorry. I hope this helps.
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[@t3dotgg]

“Well it seems like you love Firefox Theo!” Nope. I hate it even more than I did when filming this. It’s been over a week. Dedicated “Firefox is a disgrace” video coming soon

[@5Doum]

Doubling down on a bad take Bold move.

[@t3dotgg]

@@5Doum let me know when your browser supports gradients :)

[@fonte935]

Would love to see an anti Firefox video, Even though I still love Firefox.

[@deltafactory]

@@fonte935 Been using it for years, never switched to Chrome. It's not perfect but I like it. It wouldn't hurt to call out the weak points though. Perhaps Mozilla folks will listen.

[@5Doum]

​@@t3dotgg gradients would be so far down my list of things to care about in a browser, but even so, I just looked it up, and it looks like Firefox does support gradients? Maybe there's a specific type of gradient it can't do? Either way, I just want to clarify that my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek. I'm looking forward to watching your video even though I've been a happy Firefox user for over a decade

[@BeatusZenyr]

Guessing before watching: zen?

[@Proferk]

yup

[@TaiiwoLlort]

So happy others are starting to use it. I signed up as soon as I heard firefox had a fancy looking visual update with a decent speed boost. The updates are a little aggressive, sometimes things break, move, settings get changed etc, but as a dev, the #1 selling point is the firefox dev tools. If you've not used them, they are 10x better than the chrome ones.

[@JakobRossner-qj1wo]

Who could've thought 😂

[@oserodal2702]

He finally moved away from Chromium?

[@MrKooops]

let me try that aswell: Orion?

[@TolkiCasts]

TL;DR: "I really like Zen because it's Firefox, but I don't like Firefox."

[@alessio_tasco]

Best comment

[@yudistiraashadi6643]

That's not what theo said...

[@GatlingNG]

Come home huwite man

[@master74200]

@@yudistiraashadi6643 it's not far from it though. What makes Zen good is Firefox.

[@firestormjupiter]

@@yudistiraashadi6643 to phrase the reply above me more clearly, a lot of things that make Zen good are possible only because it's built on Firefox

[@peterj.2114]

I switched from Arc to Zen like half a year ago and never looked back. Super easy to live with.

[@ahsookee]

I switched to Arc as well and am really happy. Tried it a few months ago and it was too buggy as a daily driver but now it works flawlessly. So if someone has tried it before but didn't find it stable enough, try again. The UI is mature, it's a great experience

[@呀咧呀咧]

@@ahsookeeDid u switch “to” Arc or switch from Arc

[@cStraight]

Sadly, it doesnt support drm audio. still a good browser though

[@lazyalpaca7]

​@@cStraightwhat does that mean? when people say this it really confuses me cause Spotify works on zen for me

[@Alextibtab]

Idk about audio but things like Netflix, Crunchyroll etc.. with DRM content didn’t work for me which slowly made me move away but once it’s added I’ll probably go back and maybe if Mozilla finally get HDR working on an OS other than just Mac idk how hard adding support for HDR is but seeing as the ticket has been open for 6 years at this point I’m losing hope.

[@LutherDePapier]

The gymnastics people do to avoid using Firefox. Smh.

[@mangu4558]

Zen is just a Firefox fork bruh

[@NabekenProG87]

​@@mangu4558 Have you watched the video? Theo avoided Firefox and any fork of it like a plague until it was his last option. He will switch back to a Chromium based one in a heartbeat

[@nikhilkadiyan4847]

KZbin runs like trash on Firefox, switched to Chrome and the difference is night and day.

[@haloshiroe]

@@nikhilkadiyan4847 now why do you think that is? I’ll give you a massive hint *google*

[@RadikaRules]

The way I see it is: If a fork is what it takes, so be it

[@Philipp..]

For me being Firefox based is the biggest plus for Zen. I know Firefox might be missing some things like view transitions (which will be implemented) or WebHID but that's because they have very solid standard positions and Google is working against that. I'm a huge advocate for the open web and online privacy and Firefox is crucially instrumental in this regard.

[@AirNTR24]

he should have switched to TOR 😂

[@omduggineni]

Also Manifest V2 (specifically blocking webRequest)

[@Cuwubiq]

Google working against that got me laughing. Surely they aren't essentially the key funder to keep ff actually alive, nah..

[@Philipp..]

@Cuwubiq I know about this of course. What I am referring to is new features being implemented in chromium without proper standards

[@FunFreakeyy]

​@CuwubiqIt's better to pay and control the opposition, than have no competition and therefore get sued via antitrust law for having a monopoly.

[@colin_actually]

Stay stronger, Firefoxers.

[@lolotronop]

Actually it is Firefox that allows this level of customization that Zen is built on top of. And Zen is really good at making all of that power that exists in Firefox much more accessible to users who don't want to fuss about with custom chrome css and js. But I don't like vertical tabs so I just have some css in regular Firefox that auto-hides the url and bookmarks bar and shows it on hover. The tabs are integrated in window decorations on windows, so I lose none of the screen real estate (with the assumption that I want window decorations, which I do), have tabs available all of the time, and the url bar and all of that is easily accessible when I need it. There is no other browser that would let me do this, at least I don't know any Unfortunately Firefox actively hides this power from users and does not embrace or even support it that well, but Zen does it justice, and is open source. I just hope they will support it well for a long enough time

[@RabeezRiaz]

100% this. I moved away from Arc when I was setting up my new computer and retried Firefox after many years. I was able to create a setup which not only looks cleaner than my Arc setup but better fits my needs and habits. It took a lot of tinkering with custom CSS but the end result was so much better than I could have expected.

[@DezXereanas]

Yeah, I don't understand his hate fore firefox based browsers. By default firefox sucks, but it is so hackable and userfriendly that you can make it do anything you want to.

[@KriLL325783]

@@DezXereanas I really don't understand why some people want google to own the web soup to nuts, if everyone uses a chromium browser, google has total control.

[@MasterShifu8]

I think there is css for zen that make it have horizontal tabs

[@SamualN]

​@@DezXereanasprobably because it sucks by default

[@attentioncestpaslegal7847]

My macbook ended up with no battery after a few hours, so I thought I should replace my battery. Turns out no, I just need to get rid of Arc.

[@robotic_voice]

same here, battery has not been lasting that long in recent times, just to realize arc was draining most of it, given its the only browser i use

[@weird_autumn42]

why is being firefox based a bad thing? i've been using a firefox based browser for years and it's been great, and as a developer i've never had any issues with it

[@vladislove1337]

It renders pages slower than chrome, get over it.

[@fischi9129]

it blocks me from using actually good browser features like safari for a year each

[@weird_autumn42]

@@fischi9129 agreed on safari, but so does chrome with jpeg xl

[@garionion]

@@vladislove1337 except it doesnt (anymore). firefox ist faster than chrome (in many benchmarks) for over a year already. also, the fact that u can really block ads makes it even faster than chrome

[@maciekdeveloper]

Firefox is lacking features like view transitions

[@ac130kz]

Firefox with custom configs and plugins is the current meta

[@2012knp]

Actually have been using Zen since your last video on my PCs and I’m very happy with it. Not being Chrome was a big selling point

[@VivaldiBrowser]

Thanks for checking us out, Theo! 😊

[@gianfar4067]

bruh 💀

[@JohnFarrellDev]

Firefox is the most customisable of all the browsers though

[@megadutcher4107]

That would be Chromium...

[@xgui4-studios]

@@megadutcher4107 nope .... chromium isnt customisable unless you modify the code... plus firefox can do that to + have userchrome.css to custom css without recompiling the app...

[@wikittywhacktv]

@@megadutcher4107 wrong

[@xali2008]

@@megadutcher4107 no, that still Firefox, with FirefoxCSS you can change everything using Javascript and CSS.

[@faraazb]

True. There are so many great userChrome themes and user scripts. Once you go down this route, it’s quite hard to use any other browser. I am now trying out Zen just for its hover for vertical tabs in compact mode. But I feel it’s too distracting as it opens up even when cycling tabs. I think I am going to write or find a user script that simply hides (toggles) all Firefox UI. That way I can keep using Sideberry for tabs as well.

[@supercurioTube]

I'm using Firefox for 1year+ on my M1 Max and it's been much better than any Chromium browser at keeping scrolling and animations at 120fps, working fantastically all around, so I don't really get the assumption that Firefox has lower performance. I'll be checking out Zen, the increase in available real estate at the top of the screen seems valuable!

[@gbjbaanb]

Once upon a time chrome was slightly faster than FF, and the tech media, totally not funded by Google ads, decided that was super important and everyone should use the Google product that forces ads and privacy invasion upon you. And the sheep baa-baa'd all the way.. Seems Theo is still sheep brained. Vertical tabs used to be an extension, now they're in the main browser though in the beta build.

[@m1kekoumantakis392]

Zen is amazing, if you want to stick with firefox though and have the "compact mode" option you can toggle: full-screen-api.ignore-widgets in about:config and you can basically toggle the" compact mode" with f11

[@Ratorix]

when chrome was released, it's was faster than firefox... that the end of the story for every chrome fanboy... even if it's far in the past... firefox wasn't even using the actual engine at the time... the 'new' engine was already better than chrome... and with time firefox was getting faster will chrome was getting slower... but in the mind of everyone chrome is still better, even if he eat all your ram, spy on everything you do, force ads to you, and because of this things it's slower... the worst things about firefox is that 'bad' dev make their website compatible only with chrome based browser or even only chrome... (yes sorry but if you do a website to be compatible only with chrome you are a bad dev, it's your job to look at compatibility and use the standard instead of webkit only function... and I am a dev too...)

[@alcortazzo]

@@gbjbaanb Not in beta. You can enable vertical tabs in about:config by changing sidebar.verticalTabs parameter. Better profiles management and tab groups are already in beta/nightly, btw

[@yorutamashi]

That janki animation on Edge is the mark of microsoft, all the animations i've seen on windows play like that...

[@HoNow222]

But is at least the most stable browser of all.

[@ilovebmo]

LOL Theo just wants Firefox but refuses to use it, so instead goes for a Firefox skin to trick himself into thinking he's not using it. Hey, good that he found a great option for his use-case.

[@NabekenProG87]

I think as a developer he knows what webstandards Firefox lacks atm. But as a user you don't care as long as it works well

[@zitronekoma30]

@@NabekenProG87 but in the end it doesn't matter really, for your every day browsing needs that parity just isn't required and I doubt he'd *really* miss his sidebar hotkeys so badly while developing that he couldn't just use a chromium browser for dev stuff exculsively

[@BananasGoMooDev]

There is no world where "Chrome-based" is a good thing lol V3 making adblockers ineffective makes the internet actually unusable. EDIT: Fyi the css editing thing is just default firefox features. every firefox based browser has that.

[@Charvin]

There are v3 based adblocker extensions already available since at least a few months now. Ublock origin lite, adguard.

[@fenrir20678]

I'm also not happy with Arc anymore, but I also don't want to permanently switch to a beta browser as daily driver. It looks interesting though, but I guess I'll just wait until it gets out of beta.

[@Louis-L186]

It really doesn't feel like a beta to me (on Linux and it's probably the same on Windows)

[@bennyboiii1196]

It's not unstable or anything, it just has features added quite often.

[@timothyvandyke9511]

It’s plenty stable. I’ve been on it for a while just using the flatpak distribution (and used flatseal to give it full filesystem access to make it more like a full native install) . I have no complaints and it’s been smooth sailing

[@renehoehle]

So i'm using Brave for years now and it's working well. Don't have any performance or other problems. All other things can be disabled if you don't want them.

[@fdsphone6854]

and Ublock O, noscript !!

[@Monstylicious]

Yeah I just started using it and... I forgot how snappy Chromium-based browsers are. I'll probs go back to hardened Firefox someday but right now I'm sitting here.

[@IntrepidInfinity]

yeah I use brave and I just have all the web3 stuff disabled and it looks nice and clean. it's only annoying to me that these things are on by default. They've added tab sleeping and other performance improvements that means it works just fine on my laptop too

[@DanWalshTV]

Same, no idea what performance issues he had, it's always been very performant for me, both on Windows and Linux (maybe the macOS experience is bad? No idea). Also, personally, I don't see how it "looks like shit" but to each their own I guess. All that aside though, calling Brave nothing more than a Chromium web3 skin is such a misinformed, bad take. Brave has some of the best default privacy settings of any (mainstream) browser and it's built-in 'Shields' has worked better for me than any other browser + extension combo for blocking trackers and ads. And that's in addition to all the QoL/UX stuff they add on top of Chromium. I do agree that I wish the web3 stuff was disabled by default or at the very least, asked you on first run if you want it enabled or not, but at the end of the day, it's only a few clicks to disable it all. What more can we expect from Theo other than bad takes, it's pretty on brand for him at this point.

[@akrishnadevotee]

​@@DanWalshTVIt works great on Mac too, in fact, better than my Linux machine. I don't think Theo gave it a fair shot.

[@MattCreenan]

Not sure if it works with Zen, but the Firefox Multi-Account Containers extension is an absolute game changer if you work on product dev and need to constantly be logged in as different users/personas.

[@bunkerkids1]

I believe that is baked into zen with the profiles he was talking about

[@MattCreenan]

@@bunkerkids1I don’t think that’s quite the same. The Firefox extension does it at the tab level and allows different profiles per tab at the same time.

[@EpicGamingNL]

@@MattCreenan the Firefox Containers do also work in Zen!

[@rickPalmeira]

Zen haz Workspaces by default, they do a similar thing

[@honeyytb]

It works

[@huff7006]

Watching on my Zen browser that I've been using for the past 2 months. Not a single flaw.

[@master74200]

I really love seeing how every time you want a new browser, it's everything that Firefox does but you skimp out and do awful weird shit instead. I'm glad to see you finally decided to do something sane with your browser hopping, and go where reason would lead you.

[@complexity5545]

lol ... they're a bunch of tinkerers. They just surf the web looking for stuff to bug out on.

[@zappellin2398]

Firefox is the best browser, because just because I can just put Ublock origins

[@maciekdeveloper]

Brave and firefox

[@Bruce3772]

Ublock origins works fine in Chrome 🙂

[@firestormjupiter]

ublock origin won't work in chrome after june

[@Z4KIUS]

@@Bruce3772 it never worker fine in chrome

[@Malix_Labs]

Obvious obsolete argument because there are other chromium based browsers that support uBlock Origin uBlock Origin Lite being superior for setup-and-forget usages

[@RemmyMusic1]

If safari made a vertical tab bar there would be zero reason to talk about browsers

[@dvlden]

What about browser extensions? Safari has to figure that out first. Having to build a blank app that contains the extension inside and pay to publish it to the app store is nuts. Aside, not being able to have in-app purchases without their integration. It's a no-go for many.

[@52incredible]

whats wrong with firefox ?

[@mpogrzebski]

Nothing, he's just being dramatic. Like his video titles

[@AlucardNoir]

In 2010 FF had 34% of global users, today it has less than 3%. What isn't wrong about FF?

[@damienlastname4292]

It refuses to implement some web standards even though they’re apart of making web standards

[@desertoasis255]

Saying that based on firefox is a con is crazy. Gecko > Blink No serious oss picks chromium

[@52incredible]

@@damienlastname4292 I am pretty sure they have good reasons.

[@rrc8709]

With Firefox under the hood at least the uBlock Origin will not stop working just because corporate overlords decided so

[@baggysimandoff1193]

BrowserThing ?

[@rrenildopereiraa]

that would be so cool

[@Khari99]

Written in jQuery

[@vsolyomi]

It should be called Soy!

[@byalashhab]

@@Khari99 Elixir*

[@Wojciech-Wozniak]

​@@byalashhabOpen Telecommunication Platform based web browser? Nice

[@moishinetzer]

"I have lost all credibility for recommending a browser" Proceeds to recommend browsers for the next 25 minutes.

[@nexTabDE]

That's the entire channel. ^^ He loves talking about things he only has a faint understanding of. I mean, the entire videos that were talking about WordPress were nothing but that.

[@-aexc-]

so many of the things you love about zen are just firefox things, im crying 😭

[@omegafighters]

The status bar is a security feature, imo. You can hover a link to check it before even clicking.

[@LutherDePapier]

6:28 OK I'm not gonna waste 20 more minutes of my life watching this.

[@J2DOLARownsU]

Yep. The whole video is very whiny.

[@michaeldunn5788]

😂 I'm with you 😂

[@daniellyons6269]

Zen looks interesting. But folders in my sidebar are a must for me. I'll consider trying it after they add that.

[@laurii0512]

there's a mod that lets you use a tree view for tabs, if that's what you mean

[@daniellyons6269]

@@laurii0512 That's probably what I mean. I'll wait til Zen builds its own solution.

[@naimchowdhury5892]

This guy is always shilling some shit

[@m3ftwz]

In the end, you became a "firefox user"

[@Soularchitector]

That little status bar actually is very usable, since it is the only way to verify, that link that you are going to click is actually link you want.

[@johanrg70]

I just installed the Zen browser, it has potential. But two things that I noticed directly, no tab groups which IMO is a must, and its not possible to watch DRM protected videos. I read that tab groups is a future they're working on and the DRM is because it cost money to get a license/certificate to add it to the browser. So, it's not working for my needs right now but definitely a browser to keep an eye on.

[@jakosss]

I jumped to Vivaldi after arc and after 2 months I'm pretty happy. The level of customization is insane, I love it

[@VivaldiBrowser]

❤

[@acrosstundras]

There is a shortcut in Brave to open/close the sidebar (ctrl+B by default if I'm not mistaken). The web3 stuff can be disabled easily (I did). All that's left is a hardened Chrome with built-in adblock and vertical tabs.

[@acrosstundras]

oh, and you can set the shortcut to copy current page's URL.

[@chriss87878]

I've been legit impressed with Edge and the amount of functionalities it gives you, the browser health essentials, splitting 2 windows with ease, vertical tabs. Microsoft pushing the copilot trash sucks but Edge is legit amazing imo

[@kyleshivers]

I switched from Mac to Windows almost 2 years ago and have come to prefer edge over chrome and use it on my old MacBook too

[@megamino93]

I don't know what you mean by "Horrifying performances" on firefox, sometimes firefox load faster than chrome in my case, does it have to do with Mac or Apple based product? I mean, other than ublock origin which for me is what I want, zen just an advancement UI for the firefox basically. So I don't know why having firefox based is a big no no :D

[@CHUCKNORR1S]

Yeah, I've been on Firefox since they released Quantum and it's been almost perfect. I have to use Chrome for work due to some stupid extensions but it feels so frustratingly slow compared to Firefox. The only thing that FF needs to fix IMO that does bother me day to day is 4K playback on YT at higher bitrates. When running some high bitrate content at 4K 2x speed, it skips a lot. As for Zen, I switched to it pretty early on when it was still very nascent. Mostly because I wanted a way to hide toolbars and sidebars completely without having to mess about with extensions or configs. Then I got hooked by the Zen Mods, they are super cool and a great way to make your browser truly look and sometimes even work how you want it to. Plus I will always support a team of open source devs trying to stick it to big tech whenever possible.

[@Davidlimkys-h2s]

"I would like it to be chrome based, I would like the performance to not suck" These two things does not go together, I dont know what's you issue with firefox which is much faster than any chrome based browser

[@dataolle]

The building of a browser thing in electron sounds like the greatest security dumpsterfire ever.

[@legendarystuff6971]

I don't get it, what's wrong with Firefox? I feel like I'm missing something here. Im using Firefox and Min rn

[@omduggineni]

He wanted vertical tabs

[@xVancha]

@@omduggineni It has vertical tabs, just no keybind as yet.

[@SnowzNZ]

0:10 massive? you know what else is massive???

[@tomallgamesplay5576]

LOW TAPER FADE

[@LimeFineGS]

GET OUT

[@Fredomnom]

AHHH STOP THE CRINGE

[@hanes2]

Brave looks nicer than chrome, use less resources, and makes my browser experience less shitty and I can still use my extensions I like

[@hhidd]

"chromium" is my biggest red flag for a browser

[@eveykhan]

I wonder what would be your take on Orion. It’s WebKit based, so super energy efficient. Has vertical tabs. Supports both chrome and Firefox extensions (which can be buggy) and since you don’t need Windows/Linux support, you’d enjoy that same early days of Arc feeling where they were tailoring it for the macOS experience.

[@TimExcellent]

Vivaldi is brilliant

[@VivaldiBrowser]

❤

[@xgui4-studios]

@@VivaldiBrowser wait are you the real one ??? why you dont have the checkmark ???

[@AntonioBrandao]

Why don’t you use CMD+arrow key (left or right) to move back and forth in the browser history? I find it more snappy than using the gestures.

[@CoachDesmotivacional]

It needs two hands using keyboard. With mouse gesture you only need to use your resting hand of the mouse and a minimal gesture.

[@AntonioBrandao]

@@CoachDesmotivacional this channel is aimed at developers. Are you a programmer who writes code with just one hand?

[@AntonioBrandao]

@@CoachDesmotivacional if you are using a laptop and have a trackpad - I suppose both your hands are pretty much side by side most of the time, it’s not like you’re using a mouse and have one hand far away from the bottom keys.

[@CoachDesmotivacional]

@ , do you navigate webpages only with both hands on the keyboard on the browser? As far as I know people navigate the pages using the mouse most of the time... The subject on this video is Zen browser, not VS Code.

[@AntonioBrandao]

@ he’s taking about using gestures in a laptop to trigger “back / forwards” in the browser history. I suggest using CMD+arrows left/right instead. If you are using a mouse, you should have back/forwards buttons on the left side of your mouse which you can trigger with your thumb, also much faster than any funny mouse gesture.

[@RatchetXJ0461]

That's weird because Vivaldi gestures are THE thing I love about it. And everytime I go away from it, gestures call me back.

[@VivaldiBrowser]

💪

[@RatchetXJ0461]

@@VivaldiBrowser ahah I love it that you guys reply in the comments! Theo is true tho, the design does look so great. I did not like the changes of the icons a couple of months back!

[@VivaldiBrowser]

@@RatchetXJ0461 Thanks, and we like to keep things an option, so you can always go to our Themes editor and change the Icons set to the new one, to "Subtle", or create your own. 😊

[@greendblink182]

wtf is wrong with Firefox? Been using it for 20 years on Windows, Linux, and Android with no problems.

[@_marlon]

I don't understand the hate with Brave. The UI is clean, it has vertical tabs, you can indeed expand/collapse the sidebar with the vertical tabs, you can put your vertical tabs on the right, it has side by side split tabs (beta but works great), you can customize all the keyboard shortcuts, you can even use the address bar as a command bar, chromium based, there are tons of flags for customization, and you can hide all of the web 3 stuff for good. It's been super fast for me and don't have problems with lag at all. I totally agree with the cmd + shift+ c thing as I do that just as often. So much so that I wrote an extension that does this for Safari.

[@omicron1100]

17:01 Video on why you hate Firefox? For the record, I also can't bring myself to use FF in modern times despite deeply loving it back in the '00s when it was the best on the market and still wanting it to succeed to maintain competition

[@m4saurabh]

You can set hotkeys in Brave what are you talking about

[@ImmacHn]

Man seems to be just trying to rile people up, I personally dislike this kind of people, used to not care, but recently it shows on my feed and it's getting tiring.

[@m4saurabh]

@@ImmacHn I didn't mean do to anything like that but, I just don't like people saying something is bad without giving it a try

[@christopherwesley4]

"Don't follow me down this hole again" *Me already using it anyway* Okay!

[@TheNightquaker]

Wow Theo, congratulations on this indubitably brave milestone of your journey. Very cool.

[@lynxcat4life]

indubitably

[@Patman128]

No he said he WASN'T using Brave

[@davixpixie243]

"How cool is that I can fix my browser with css" Oh.. Oh do i have news for you

[@ramanjaneyuluv479]

I guess it is Zen Browser 🎉

[@CakeprogressS]

Let's goo, a good browser. Looking forward to Android version and file sharing/synchronization features

[@brod515]

Cold Take: Theo videos are the 'Taylor swift' of technologies

[@multimusic_yt]

What does that even mean? Genuinely.

[@eitangellis]

@@multimusic_ytmainstream I guess? lol

[@veryCreativeName0001-zv1ir]

cold take: bad analogy

[@brod515]

maybe I'm showing my age but the joke I was trying to make was Theo's going through technologies like Taylor Swift going through boyfriends.

[@RandomnessCreates]

@@brod515 I don't think the 44 people who liked this get that. At all, I thought this was like a Taylor fandom vs Kanye type thing but I did not expect what you've said.

[@SteveEricJordan]

i really feel your browser struggle. right now i'm alternating between brave and edge. the situation is THAT bad. the browser landscape is so sad nowadays. there's literally not a single browser i'm happy with, it's just picking the lesser evil, kinda like politics. i'm regularly trying most of the bigger browsers about every year, but nothing ever really changes. my best case would probably be chromium firefox with some changes or edge getting their act together.

[@RolandAyala]

You have to have worked as MSFT to understand why Edge has no customization. For the mainstream stuff, MSFT is all about the 80/20 rule, and @Theo, you're a special case that gets factored out of the feature planning.

[@borerofhope]

All the Firefox people right now: "One of us! One of us! One of us!"

[@LegendaryNuggets]

Switched from Chrome to Brave 4 years ago never had a problem with it idk what you're talking about

[@crowlsyong]

0:56 I am one of those people and I accept your apology. It really did seem good at the time. Alas, it is no longer good- er it's not even viable. Anyway, I appreciate what you do nonetheless.

[@user-er4fr9zd7s]

Firefox had fully configurable ui using css for a very long time ( not sure if it's from the start but yeah ) zen made it 100x simpler. I currently use firefox with a theme making it match the gnome HIG it make it really integrated with the rest of the OS

[@Atmos41]

I am usually not a Theo enjoyer, but I could stick around for that kind of genuine video! Thank you for the content

[@happycolours8551]

Who else was expecting a BrowserThing?

[@rzyr]

Welcome to Firefox land. We knew you'd love it ❤

[@TheDuzx]

I have issues with Firefox's UI, but the engine is actually really powerful. The only issue is that some websites didn't test for Firefox so some functionality might be broken. It's very rare for me to encounter this, but it happens.

[@eitangellis]

That’s what Zen is for. I quit Firefox bc of its UI a few years ago, but now I’m on Zen and it’s good.

[@copiedbykakashi1457]

I have been using this browser just afer you made a video about it I was also just watching for the perfect browser since arc was unviable for windows because I had so many problems. I also made my own browser for a week straight haha I feel you sooo damn hard. I just love this browser and seeing it evolve and getting better every week

[@barterjke]

It's crazy he considers ten different reskins of the Chromium, and not even mention Ladybird. I understand it's borderly insane to use it right now, but imo it deserves so much more attention than it gets.

[@SilouanWright]

It isn't really released until 2026?

[@itsjustcavan]

okay i've been trying zen for the last few hours and this is actually pretty sick. its gonna take a sec for me to break the habit of mousing to where the top bar would be to look something up but i'm sure ill adapt. good recommend!

[@NewbMaster69]

And they said Arc was gonna continue but killed it off anyways.

[@hiteshrohira7968]

We got theo recommending a firefox based browser before gta 6

[@kshitijvarshney]

For some reason, my keyboard shortcuts NEVER work in Zen, it's like it recognises my shortcuts as special characters.

[@novak_sm]

Hey, I had the same issue. If you enter your shortcut combo (like cmd+shit+p) and hit escape, it will save it as cmd+shift+π but cmd+shift+p still works. If you're on a mac, that's because mac interprets cmd+shift+keys like that.

[@kshitijvarshney]

@novak_sm Hey, thanks for the reply. My shortcuts don't work even without using a combo. Hell some of the default shortcuts don't work either. Don't know why, I've reset the shortcuts but that didn't help either, and I don't want to reinstall since that'll require me to set everything up again

[@pewnit]

As someone that NEEDS chromium for work and doesn't need customizable keyboard shortcuts, I'll take Vivaldi. Thanks gor breaking down all the best options there are!

[@kamiljanowski7236]

Brave on mobile has a built-in adblocker, so... that's the only selling point :P

[@paul_subtirel]

I was so dissapointed with Arc on Windows because I was so excited about it coming out and waited for like a year to use it on Windows and it just didn't work right. I will definitely give Zen a try, thanks

[@alwayscoding]

Brave is great for our parents that want to watch youtube without ads or complexity and malware

[@fleetingfacet]

Brave is great for children who don't know any better, who want to watch YT without ads, complexity, and malware.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@fleetingfacet it's also good for adults who know too much. The perfect browser.

[@realAlbertoMC]

EXACTLY 💯

[@DroidRaxx]

The issue with zen is that you can’t watch DRM protected content like listening to Spotify, Netflix and Prime. I had to go back to chrome for the same reason but damn never felt better switching from Arc

[@cherubin7th]

Theo the Firefox fanboy now.

[@imadetheuniverse4fun]

just gonna say, thanks for making your titles a little less clickbaity (compared to other creators). clicked, liked, subbed, commented, just for that.

[@iilwy]

vivaldi was such a good option but they were being so weird lately and the performance has been absolutely abysmal. they are focusing on a bunch of bloat that i don't believe anyone in the world is using (their own social network? their own mail? calendar system? no man. im trying to use a browser). it sucks man. they really really do not care. i loved that browser but it was god terrible what the developers are doing. idiots.

[@notnotjake]

Tab nesting and folders are ESSENTIAL to me. An absolute must have.

[@samfelton5009]

This is why I took the blue pill and installed edge on my Mac.

[@snake3837]

IDK how Edge is maintained on Mac and Linux. No many users. The WebView2 they are using is Windows only.

[@firestormjupiter]

with how much it's hated on and how much better it is than chrome using edge is a red pill atp

[@xgui4-studios]

lol .... ms must be happy .... but i dont see why edge ????

[@1amy0u1amy0u]

The only AD i can see for half an hour straight and feel good about it

[@Vemu]

6:52 Brave: 1. Available 2. Maybe some extension 3. "Copy URL" shortcut 4. "Toggle vertical tabs expanded" shortcut 5. Yes 6. Blazingly fast with built-in malware blocker

[@officialharsh1204]

exactly, and fast as f**k too.

Yes. I think Brave is the best browser for developers at the moment.

[@sbbu3742]

Ads on the new tab page

[@Vemu]

@@sbbu3742 u can disable them easily

[@AbdulAziz-q5p2w]

@@sbbu3742 you can disable that with one click

[@xSil3nt27]

I can't wait for the firefox video. I installed zen, realized it was firefox based and then kinda lost interest, but the team sounds really cool so I'll give it an actual try!

[@themohamed3on]

The lack of Chrome extensions is a dealbreaker for me, sadly. Also, The settings and layout feel a bit buggy still, I just don't think Zen is ready for primary mainstream usage just yet. But it's amazing it's gone so far so fast! Arc team should be ashamed of themselves.

[@unknowntotherestoftheworld]

almost every chrome extension you could want has a firefox add-on by the same developers.

[@themohamed3on]

@@unknowntotherestoftheworld Not all, I also use a lot of custom extensions (not only the super popular ones) that "just work" on a chromium browser but would each need to be remade for firefox, which is just too inconvenient. If you don't heavily rely on extensions though, it might not be a deal breaker.

[@lonelyteapot]

Which Chrome extensions are you missing that don't have a Firefox version?

[@the-programing]

Brave uses its own adblock written in rust and doesn't use chrome's manifest v3 despite being a chromium browser . Its ads are not fingerprinted and are not invasive. The memory usage is really good considering how it caches the hundreds of tabs open to disk.

[@Vemu]

4:47 OFC u can, it's called "Toggle vertical tabs expanded"

[@TokenTaco]

Not really. You can collapse it, but you can’t close it completely. There will always be this tiny bar with icons. The only other option is toggle between vertical and horizontal tabs, which sucks.

[@tijtij]

4:17 I heard "getting an STD" and I was like "right, you will never get rid of that itchy feeling like your missing something"

[@SAsquirtle]

floorp clears or just use firefox

[@NexusCircuit]

I really want to like Zen, but I'm having annoying issues with it. Several banking webapps and payment gateways simply don't work. Trying the same page in Chrome works fine. I've also noticed weird JS behavior at times. Simple things like chat popups never pops up.

[@Winnetou17]

Awesome, now that Theo switched to Zen, thanks to Firefox being so open and customizable, maybe now we can have more contributions to Firefox and somebody very known and vocal who can trash the websites that DECIDE to not support Firefox for absolutely no good reason (which is easy to prove when you change the user agent to appear like Chrome and see that evrything works perfectly). Theo, here's the formal request to revisit Firefox (like, say, when version 135 arrives) and do a video of what it is missing from it, what is wrong, what is insufficient and so. For me it's still my browser simply because of full open source and it works good enough for me. On the developer side, the fact that it has on the network developer tools the "Edit and Resend" makes it better than Chromium-based browsers. Not to mention that for mobile, it's the only one that supports extensions.

[@eddielucitt]

Been on Zen for a week or so ever since your first video on zen came out. Thanks so much for fixing the notification dots issue, it was driving me insane! I don't need notification dots!!

[@drt4003]

Brave is definitely nailing it on security

[@407wrld3]

Zen

[@DavianPfeiff]

Finally! I've been on Zen since you first posted about it