i'm sick of these YANKERS

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00:00 - YANKERS
0:23 - Catcher framing
1:07 - WWJD?
3:19 - Yanking vs framing
4:49 - Spectrum
6:17 - The problem
8:05 - How to stop them
8:37 - SeatGeek

[@masonseymour2455]

Only catchers can call them Yankers. You have to call them Yankas.

[@matthew01234]

WWJD should stand for What Would Jeff Do? As in Jeff Mathis.

[@0Architectdude0]

The Y word pass

[@shotbycamron]

Lmaoooooo it took me a minute for this to register 🤣 im dead bruh

[@killacam2644]

Underrated comment

[@ihatesnowflakes2537]

Hahahaha

[@henrymarks2237]

With a hard R damn Bailey

[@JaxzanProditor]

Look at that subtle off-zone framing. The tasteful quietness of it. Oh my God, they even called it a strike.

[@johnrobertson1]

Let’s see Jose Molina’s CDA.

[@chartreusecircle1546]

(puts his catchers mitt on the table) “All-Star Pro Elite, Japanese leather, black and camel finish”

[@zavielyoung8060]

Very nice, Bailey. But that's nothing. Check this out (slides mitt on the table). Rawlings Pro Preferred, CM33. And that color? That's bruciato

[@Snazzeo]

Haven’t seen a Georgian this mad at yanks since the 1860s

[@andrewaaberg482]

When we told em they couldn't own people anymore? That cheesed their potatoes pretty good.

[@carlwilliams9642]

Yep. Sherman's scorched earth campaign totally had nothing to do with it.@@andrewaaberg482

[@hi2u670]

when bringing the jubilee comes full circle

[@DrAnarchy69]

“Oooooooh, way down south in the land of traitors!”

[@griffinhays2053]

@@DrAnarchy69 RATTLESNAKES AND ALLIGATORS

[@xeterh]

Babe wake up, Bailey dropped a new baseball slur

[@tryhardfinessedyou]

"babe" lie to yourself not us.

[@armthesharks6904]

​@@tryhardfinessedyouhe clearly is talking to Babe Ruth dude

[@JoseEspinoza-fj9ij]

@@tryhardfinessedyouwhy bro mad😭

[@ziggle5000]

@@tryhardfinessedyouit's crazy that some people aren't single their entire lives right?

[@Diabolical420]

@@tryhardfinessedyouit’s a comment formay

[@kleberpauta8209]

baileys vocabulary is now 70% twitter memes, 30% baseball

[@somebodyandthem]

You mean X?

[@kleberpauta8209]

@@somebodyandthem absolutely not

[@wet20]

@@somebodyandthem you are the nerd emoji personified

[@timw4041]

Another reason Jose Molina is so good at framing is because he sets his body up in such a way to sell it even more. For example at at 1:20 he sets up for a fastball away pretty far off the plate. This helps him to sell the pitch because the umpire sees him receive the ball slightly to the right of his body despite still being off the plate.

[@patrickdabs]

Bingo, he sets his body up to make the spot he received the ball look more like the pitcher’s intended location. I find the more nuanced approach a lot more visually appealing, and it has a better chance of being effective when your pitcher is 50/50 with his spots on the edges.

[@CHOOCHx51]

Kinda convenient that all of the clips of Jose were pitches thrown to the middle of his chest, no? And if you don’t think there’s nuance to “yanking” you just need to go watch/listen to any catcher or coach who uses that method

[@YourTVFriend]

@@CHOOCHx51Molina didn’t really yank on those either, he would move his glove to the edge or corner of the zone

[@oldfrend]

he purposefully set up so that he never moved his glove away from the zone. makes it look more like a strike if the catcher moves towards the plate to catch the pitch. esp. if you consider the alternative - setting up in the middle and then moving the glove a foot away, makes it glaringly obvious it was off the plate, sometimes even if it wasn't.

[@CHOOCHx51]

@@oldfrendthis just simply isn’t true, and the proof is that catchers who yank do get pitches off the plate and on the plate called strikes. You can set up where ever you want, if the pitcher squares up your chest that’s fine, but the catcher doesn’t control when a pitcher misses a spot. Ask or look up any catching coach and they will tell you job 1 is keep strikes as strikes, then think about expanding off the zone. Guys who do it well get strikes and expand the zone.

[@Brivalia]

but have you considered: seeing a catcher move their glove 3 feet trying to frame a pitch in the dirt is funny

[@danacoleman4007]

No. It's embarrassing for those who love the game.

[@Brivalia]

@@danacoleman4007 but have you considered: whoop now my glove's over here. i really think you should consider that. personally if you were to consider that i think you might see where i'm coming from if you considered that. just for consideration.

[@matrix3509]

@@danacoleman4007 Yes, its embarrassing, but not for the reasons you think. Its embarrassing for the umpires, who allegedly have eyes, to so easily be influenced by the movement of a catcher's glove instead of, you know, using their alleged eyes to look at the ball as it crosses the plate. Umpires have always been the worst part of the game, and the sooner the league moves to robo-umps and puts the human ones out of a job, the better the game will be for it. The simple fact that someone like Angel Hernandez still has a job is the single greatest argument against umpiring as a job, and his continued employment makes baseball measurably worse.

[@sporer_]

yesss, this has been driving me nuts the last couple years... thank you for highlighting it. the saddest part is that it works. when we first started talking about framing, the yankers were clowned on for being absolute crap at it and now many are rewarded for this trash

[@jackhumbach9086]

It looks bad to us watching the game but as my coach told me, “these umpires r fucking stupid Yank that thing back in there it will work” and yea it does and I will tell u y. Notice how all the Yankers start their glove on the ground or really close to it when the pitch comes in we time our lift so we snag it in one fluid motion bring it to the center of our bodies. If it’s a strike down the middle we catch it later if it’s a ball low we keep going until it’s at our face mask and high pitch is catch it right at your face. Now in the front view u probably wonder how the umpire falls for that but from the back view every pitch being recived looks the same

[@ziggle5000]

@@jackhumbach9086 k

[@oldfrend]

@@jackhumbach9086 'these umpires r fucking stupid' yeah can't argue with that.

[@BirdsOnTheBat2]

Drives me insane too

[@ItzSloany]

Same thing my mom said in the family group chat when she realized me, my brothers, and my dad all had a crippling masturbation addiction

[@peterparker-zy9oe]

damn that's a wild thing to say lol

[@dukedub]

Ur mom sounds hot 🥵

[@sntslilhlpr6601]

Goddamnit lmao.

[@SkilesHasFun]

Relatable.

[@TG-ld8hl]

8:30 Bailey has officially come out against yanking it. Never thought I’d see the day.

[@ethananderson6444]

I love getting new videos on your main channel!!

[@Mada_1337]

He has another channel?

[@ethananderson6444]

@@Mada_1337 I think he posts shorts!

[@Mada_1337]

Hopefully ported directly from tiktok with the tiktok watermark still visible.@@ethananderson6444

[@xjr.0]

I think framing is the equivalent of flopping in basketball. It's a bit immoral, but the umps should see it. And maybe there should be a penalty if the umps think the catcher is trying to do it, maybe with a warning first.

[@davidmoorcroft7117]

I stopped watching the LLWS because the yanking was so blatant on seemingly every pitch. Wish the ump would just call an automatic ball on any pitch where the catcher mitt moves >1 foot after catching the ball.

[@sntslilhlpr6601]

The penalty should just be they don't get the close calls anymore. Back when I umpired little league I was not above punishing a catcher for treating me like an idiot. I rewarded the good framers and punished the blatantly bad ones. Not proud of it, but I won't apologize for it.

[@xjr.0]

@@sntslilhlpr6601 I like it, and it's probably already happening.

[@splashgod2509]

Posey was also someone who rarely yanked. I used to get mad at him for not yanking on pitches out of the zone.

[@HackAttackimer]

I'm not going to lie I wasn't expecting a pretty solid Abe Simpson impression in there

[@FoolishBailey]

cow tools

[@HackAttackimer]

@@FoolishBailey so I tied some cow tools to my belt, which was the style at the time

[@christopherlopes4258]

Bailey- you’re a better man than I for not making a Reese McGuire joke

[@kylerwilson2241]

I came in 100% expecting that joke

[@jordanrosemanmusic]

8:27 Holy moly, what a suave reception. When I was a kid I always loved watching José Molina catch because he was so serene and smooth when receiving.

[@onedaysoon5351]

I've been sick of yankers for a while now too. Thank you for putting this out there, Bailey

[@shiba473]

Patrick Bailey mentioned WOOOOOOOO LETS GOOOOO

[@esoteridactyl]

From what I understand it's not even framing these days, just moving the glove aggressively to make it harder for the ump to tell where the ball crossed in any way and basically making them 'guess'.

[@beatndagutta]

No, it’s still considered framing... it’s actually an art form not every catch I can do it the same as others. I used to frame the shit out of pitches

[@beatndagutta]

But I do agree that if the catcher catches the ball way out of the zone and then brings the glove back in that’s some BS but if he silky, smooth, glides the glove from outside as he’s catching the ball bringing it in that’s a different story

[@jackdempsey6176]

Foolish, I’m taking a sports philosophy class in college this year and today we had a long conversation about the ethics behind framing and how of the yankers we see more and more today make it pretty obvious that they’re trying to deceive the ump. Great vid as always!

[@fewny2691]

Foolish Bailey keeps hitting with these main channel vids, keep it up!

[@ebscoHOSTpub]

Is this the main page?

[@gamemeister27]

Now hear me out for a second. If a catcher ALWAYS yanks a pitch to the middle, even if it was definitely a strike, wouldn't that make it harder for an ump to tell where he originally caught the ball? It presents a brick wall of yanking

[@Wolfeson28]

That's exactly the idea. I always chuckle a bit when announcers describe a catcher as "really trying to give that ump a gooood look at the pitch", when in fact they're doing the exact opposite. The whole point of "yanking" is specifically to obscure the umpire's ability to see where the pitch was actually caught. So then, if all that the umps (intellectual *juggernauts* that they are🙄) can see is a mitt right in the middle of the strike zone, with no clear original location to contradict that image, they'll naturally be biased toward thinking the pitch was in the zone to begin with, even if they know it was moved to at least some extent.

[@ocoop]

it’s simple, Foolish Bailey uploads a video right before i need to go walk to class that perfectly fits the time it takes me to walk there, and i watch.

[@GaffordVids]

Thank you! I have been thinking all of this for a long time now.

[@robertcrist6059]

You probably want to watch this yanking in person... LMAO Top tier transition there Bailey

[@JetSpiegel88]

When you posted the Molina catching highlights a couple weeks back I thought, “damn, look how quietly he’s catching those balls. Nothing like the “framing” people try to do nowadays” So ty for making this video, specifically for me.

[@dannyjansensgoggles]

I think Jose's body placement is an underrated aspect of his skill. A lot of those videos show a slight angle of his body pre-pitch which could have provided a forced perspective for the umpire where everything looks funneled into the heart of the plate. Great video!!

[@iamthatguy653]

As a catcher I was taught to flick the wrist after receiving the ball it’s helped steal a lot of strikes especially on the outside corner

[@two22bob71]

Love this video, great main channel video

[@DrAnarchy69]

I like the idea of instead of total robo ump, having a certain amount of strike/ball call challenges

[@CoachCarter102]

As a Yankees fan, I was literally preparing my “give us a break” comment while this video loaded

[@blue_rev]

this may be your best work yet

[@craned]

Once again, another banger of a main channel video. This one slaps.

[@solidstate90]

Mike Zunino at least while with Seattle was IMO the best at getting his guys calls he was somehow able to catch the ball while moving it into the zone all at once, I have yet to see another catcher frame the way Mike did.

[@santumi2298]

Patrick Bailey is my favorite. His natural catching motion is a framing motion. He literally moves his glove like it's a frame on every pitch

[@josecarrera6519]

I grew up playing catcher and pitches on the edge we were always taught to stick em there as opposed to trying to pull a fast one and bring it in

[@davidwalker8658]

love the themes on the new main channel.

[@waxknucklebearingjuice5592]

These main channel releases are so good.

[@RetroMWTV]

If the most obvious framers weren't also the ones getting the most calls this would not be an issues. Can't wait for auto ball/strike or challenge system

[@BTBSteve]

LET'S GO YANKERS 👏👏👏👏👏

[@cryptonkatie]

effectively wild mentioned!!

[@keithfeliciano]

i have hated this yanking style of catching. i loved just barely moving my glove but making it closer to look better for my pitchers without it being very obvious i was moving my mitt. i found that got me the most calls before i tore my labrum

[@ericschultz3891]

6:07 when you get the new Foolish video notification

[@alejandrogomez3685]

Love you for this video Bailey. I’m not sure how many people consider framing as one of the prime reason umpires make these terrible calls. These umps gotta stop rewarding shitty frames.

[@cjthemarmadude545]

That’s some good video right there

[@jodiodi333]

something interesting might be to see if subtle framers lose more ball-strike calls on pitches in the zone. every umpire knows every catcher is framing, so i wouldn’t be surprised if subtle framers are losing calls on pitches on the edge of the zone that are actually strikes at a rate higher than average, due to umpires being excessively wary of any pitch received on the edge of the zone. i have no idea if there is any statistical backing to this and im not entirely sure how to get that data, but i think it makes sense in my head

[@1618Cyrano]

So what you're saying its about small movements at the edge, edging if you will, rather than yanking? Thanks bailey love all these new terms!

[@MonkeyKingXiaoMin]

What about anti framing when robo umps come out? When a pitch is a strike yank it so that it seems like a ball so the hitter challenges

[@Extinguisher10]

I once jokingly framed a pitch that was about a foot and a half out of the zone, and the umpire called it a strike (and he meant it). On yeah, and this was in slow pitch softball so the umpire had plenty of time to see it through the zone. My pitcher bent over laughing it was so ridiculous!

[@dropthatshi]

i fkn love this guys content because yeah im generally aware of framing as a concept, but Bailey always has those phenomenal examples of WHY catchers frame pitches, WHO is someone thats known as an excellent framing catcher, and HOW good framing so impactful even getting so deep as to SHOULD we be framing pitches at all? Love seeing your stuff in the sub box man its always a treat

[@FoolishBailey]

Thanks!

[@allelujah1210]

This is why we need the challenge system ASAP

[@BigKy-Mart]

I've discovered Austin Hedges offensive problem ... he's swinging at the pitches in the location where they've been yanked to, regardless of the location where the pitch actually was.

[@matthicksxx]

Love the comparison of Molina’s framing subtlety as “cinema”

[@danacoleman4007]

Terrific video! I am in complete agreement with every opinion you stated!

[@IvyLeather13]

What I love about the Molinas is that all three of them were really good at something. Yadi was great at handling pitchers and recieving. Jose was a great framer and an extremely reliable backup. Bengie was a good gap/doubles hitter and could be counted to come through for you at the plate while still being a very solid defensive catcher.

[@Sean71S]

Thank you for this. Have been losing my mind for years now about this. You are 1000% correct.

[@pickeledpeanuts1127]

This video title really yanked my chain

[@Jdoom13]

Love the video

[@datdudesb3526]

At first I was going to say I disagree with your opinion on “yankers”. However, once I saw how smooth Molina was, I understand your point completely

[@mattforbes221]

Are the framing metrics connected with ump zone tendencies at all? Seems kinda pointless other wise cause there’s a major difference between getting an ump who always gives the outer edge to call an outside strike instead of vice versa.

[@Cokanbaltorch]

You are playing with fire Bailey 🫣

[@abe8824]

robot umps are honestly needed because of the amount of games that are ruined by bad umpires. especially when even the catchers are surprised when they get strikes from pitches nowhere near the zone. sure you can call it "a skill", but most of the time its just a old guy behind the plate who needs to get his eyes checked or just retire from umpiring. The Jeff Mathis' of the MLB can still exist, but they're more impressive when calling a great game behind the plate with their pitcher throwing runners out or just controlling the game

[@overcaves]

Jose truly understands that your entire body is attached to your catching arm

[@Smallsisplaying]

What if they gave replay on strikes for batters? Like the robo ump is always there but the batter gets a challenge once per at bat (which repeats if batter is correct)

[@ArdenJ]

They're testing a challenge system in AAA. Three challenges per team, only the batter, pitcher, or catcher can challenge (you keep your challenge if you're correct).

[@ktcottrell]

My problem with pitch framing is that it has become the only skill important to catchers and has led to the one knee stance. I firmly believe that at the end of the day most catchers are losing more on passed balls and wild pitches more than they're wining from framing with this new stance.

[@DJones1048]

I remember some umps growing up would just call it a ball, regardless of it being a strike or not, if they caught the catcher with a bad frame job.

[@gabeshivers]

This is a great video. I mean, the real culprit here is poor strike zone training/judgement from the umpires, who incentivize gratuitous yanking (that felt weird to type somehow). Might I recommend Travis D’Arnaud as a quiet, respectable framer. Its usually both very loud and he’s been getting mostly positive framing metrics with TB/ATL

[@perrytilton5221]

As a plate umpire, I will less likely call a pitch yanked a strike just because it does look like you are pulling a ball up to 12" outside into the zone. Receive it with the glove parallel to the ground and you will get far more calls than not when on or around the edges.

[@aaronlee9784]

Need more Patrick Bailey content on Foolish Bailey

[@ohger1]

I've been umpiring 33 years and I've already made the call when the ball crosses the front of the plate - I don't even look at the glove or the catcher's setup. Before every pitch, I look at the plate and then look at the pitch being delivered. If a catcher is a framer (or a yanker) I don't even know it.

[@mattforbes221]

Your brain is always collecting an unbelievable amount of data points at all times, it has at least a small effect on you subconsciously.

[@ohger1]

@@mattforbes221 I don't even look at the glove. I am also a player, and players know immediately whether the pitch is a strike or not.

[@Bobbybabybobbybubbie]

Finally someone says this! With all the frivolous rule changes of the last few years, why haven't they banned framing?

[@francoiscorpel8304]

This video perfectly says what I've been thinking for so long but didn't know how to describe. Yankers are so frustrating to watch, and it's even more frustrating when umpires fall for it

[@johnrobertson1]

“Is it ethical to gaslight these umpires?” Damnit, dude. 😂

[@liveitdown]

Molina's receiving is silky smooth.

[@yankeeshater]

Can't wait for the Foolish Bailey Furries Video to be honored as a cinematic masterpiece at the Oscars

[@tibbsmcfish3056]

Kirk is one of the best of best in framing today. LETS GO BLUE JAYS!

[@Darbunnyy]

Fuuuuuuuuuccccc i love a main channel upload

[@BasedDadum]

4:27 another Bobby Wilson success

[@Caleb-co2hx]

When Bailey posts on his main channel it makes my day

[@clairekelliest]

Would you explain neurodivergent being associated with being children. If there's a specific situation I have missed, I am curious to know because I am working on a book about autism.

[@wallacecreed4746]

Making it look like the pitcher hit his spot is probably more important than the frame. A lot of the strike calls that people go up in arms over are pitches where the pitcher missed the spot by a country mile and the catcher had to do evasive maneuvers to catch the ball (imo these are acceptable calls cause missing your spot=bad). Making it always look like the pitcher hit his spot with the subtle frame is beautiful.

[@Joe45-91]

Idk whats more annoying; the yankers or the catchers who freeze their glove in the strike zone after every single pitch for 2 secs trying to will the strike call out of the ump.

[@danflorio834]

3:40 of course foolish baseball videos are slop, that’s why it’s your second channel

[@shoeless1137]

damn, never been this early to a Bailey video

[@nathanhartline9159]

That yank at 7:05 is absurd 💀

[@Trizzer89]

Why does the ump even look at the glove?

[@CadChamberlain]

Giants actually have a drill for their catchers to keep them from making big motions when framing

[@chrisss8196]

Patrick Bailey (Patty Barrels) mentioned 🫵😲

[@pmas1357]

I think the flaw in the argument is the laziness of umpires and fans. Umpires for relying on the yank to make the call easier and tv watching fans for not realizing the box isn’t always on point.

[@kevinqin6427]

I don’t like fully automated ball/strike but maybe allow 1-3 pitch challenges a game that use the auto zone

[@ArdenJ]

Yeah they're testing an ABS challenge system in AAA. You get three challenges and keep your challenge if you get it right

[@siddthekid5046]

0:46 10/10 chair spin

[@TheQuiltedNorthern]

The “i don’t like it(the yanking) but I get why you do it” transition into the foolish ad was elite. Just like the Yankers, foolish needs money too

[@ChrisD123]

As a Brit, I misread the Y in Yankers initially and thought this video would be a fair bit different than it was...

[@scottryall]

I have seen some strikes that were called balls because the catcher pulled a yankeroo, but it definitely is advantageous or we wouldn't be seeing everybody do it

[@chriswr_]

PATRICK BAILEY MENTIONED, INSTANT LIKE (I had already liked the video by the time he was mentioned)

[@MikeOzmun]

I will always love Hedges as he was a part of my beloved 2023 Champion Rangers, but I agree with the overall point in the video so much that I'm willing to let it slide.

[@bertolatusfilms8922]

I read Yankees at first and was very confused about the thumbnail

[@numbcoldhands3614]

wow a main channel video