I moved MLS clubs to England and THIS happened...

[@rhesusminus7303]

I love the mum clip in the advert. 😄

[@TomFM]

Making her TomFM channel debut, it's a proud moment

[@TSBdocumentary]

I can definitely see the TomFM’s mum cookery channel debuting shortly

[@vakama4923]

League 2 or National League tbf, I'm cuious myself being Aussie

[@nathansinclair5256]

I'd love to see Australian clubs in English divisions to see how far they can get maybe with a big budget or reputation

[@TomFM]

A lot of likes on your comment already! I might have to give it a try...

[@ZekPlaysHD]

​@@TomFM would definitely get behind this!

[@bababababababa6124]

They won’t get past league 1 if we’re being honest

[@therainmakerinsider]

All the Aussie team belong in League 2.

[@tunatimeyt2012]

i put just the wellington phoenix in league 2 in FM20 and they got relegated 2nd season lmaoooo

[@TheDiscoSpider93]

I noticed that Wrexham casually made it into the Championship at the end. Good job Rob and Ryan lol

[@Darrenski]

Wrexham are nowhere close to the championship. They're in league 2, a lot lower than the championship

[@kdnlol]

@@Darrenski?

[@sheenakr7616]

@@Darrenski he said they reached championship in this video

[@andreanecchi5930]

More than anything it would be interesting to put the entire MLS in the European rankings and see how it goes ahead with their rules etc.

[@crigiu2118]

Awesome idea

[@freddiewells9922]

The MLS sides going into administration was interesting…could that be because of the insane cost of their away travel every other week?!

[@Pantalaimon91]

Didn't think about that, probably not impossible that was the problem. The travel likely was sustainable in the Championship for teams in bigger cities, but League 1 does not generate nearly enough to be making 14 hour flights every other week on a private jet for any of them. Going down for one season didn't seem to be a huge problem it seemed but the longer a team stayed the bigger the problem became.

[@RustleInThaBush]

That is the issue for sure, I did a save one year were I put a cayman island team in the English system, the travel expenses destroyed the club in like 2 seasons 😂

[@TricksterBloom]

I'd like to see a part two of this! 20 years into the future! I really liked how this was presented also, made it really clear and easy to follow.

[@OddlySpecificGaming]

To be honest if you go back 10 years I’d be surprised if most of these clubs could stay in League 2 so they have done some good work as a league!

[@TomFM]

I agree, I think the whole league has come on leaps and bounds in the last decade!

[@nicolasrioslopez664]

People forget the MLS is still a relatively young league! The growth we’ve seen has been good!

[@carltonharvey]

truth, I started paying closer attention to MLS back in 2012 when I saw some of the crowds they were pulling in Portland & Seattle. Then I noticed around 2015 that the top teams in the playoffs were actually playing pretty decent football But since then things have skyrocketed compared to what the league used to be. they're spending more on upcoming talent and ppl don't realize that (outside of Europe's top 5 leagues) MLS actually had the most players represented at the World Cup in Qatar

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

The Power of a Closed League is that the bottom 3or 4 teams don't face relegation, and get to keep their players, and are not at risk of becoming insolvent. The reality is that closed league are much healthier leagues.

[@aaron8977]

@@carltonharvey St. Louis SC is gonna start something! The place has been going crazy for their team. Even better is their first season and the start 4-0-0

[@billmiller2368]

This was great. Why don’t you try, putting the Premier teams in the MLS and to see how they do with all of the rules and regulations

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

City would probably win the league every year until the players in the current squad retire. Back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back champions. Then they'll take their youth players from england and be back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back champions.

[@khalilli6613]

​@@Adrian-wd4rn they would have to release almost the entire squad. They can only pay 3 players 4 if it's a player under 23. Everyone else wouldn't be able to be registered. English teams would do well for a while off the back of the core of great players and good youth but the regulations would catch up with them over time as the big players leave back to europe

[@xplicitmike]

​@@Adrian-wd4rn hard to do with mls salary caps

[@nicolaspoulin1897]

Really cool idea! Would love to see it for the other MLS teams too. Especially the top 6 in the east getting their chance!

[@thomashurlburt1366]

Great job as always Tom! As an American, I love seeing MLS content in your videos! One experiment I'd love to see you attempt is what would happen if you gave MLS the same revenues as the NFL (Roughly $18 Billion league wide this past season) and then simulate 50-100 years in the future. Of course you would need to edit the spending rules in place for MLS, so that the clubs could utilize their cash windfalls. Where would the league and club reputations rank worldwide? Would the best players in the world (as sorted by current ability) decide to go to MLS instead of the Premier League or La Liga? Could an MLS team win the FIFA Club World Cup? And would this change in league revenue have any impact on the rankings and success of the US and Canadian National teams?

[@tomfrumtarn]

Wonder if travel costs had any impact on the MLS clubs finances?

[@augusto2006-amg]

Nah MLS teams are used to high travel costs cause USA is a huge country

[@tomfrumtarn]

@@augusto2006-amg That may be so but the travel costs will be much higher going to the UK every other week

[@onose10000]

my first thought too, because when you create clubs in the editor, there are options for what region you want that club to be, to the exact position on the map(co-ordinates), and since scouts cost more money the further you send them, and teams spend more money the further/more remote the location of a friendly/pre-season tour. I think it would definitely have an effect on their finances by a huge margin. Haven't done any test, but i'd love to be proven wrong.

[@Pantalaimon91]

@@augusto2006-amg Flying to the other side of the US seven or eight times a year is a big difference to flying to England 16+ depending on the year. Whether it is exactly what caused administration for Austin and Nashville or if it was spending to try to get out of the Championship, like we see with teams like Reading and Derby, is very debatable.

[@e_eyster]

This feels... about right. I think the best USA clubs would be borderline ELP clubs (especially with no cap). The worst are probably high end League 1 clubs.

[@Pantalaimon91]

As an American that's about what I expected (not Austin though holy sh*t!). A lot of the teams are roughly Championship quality with the best teams each year being about as good as lower half PL clubs. My initial guess that Atlanta would be the best of the bunch was reasonable as well. My Chicago also did about as well as I expected...

[@Darrenski]

No the championship is hugely more competitive. You just can't compare a league with no promotion or relegation. Mls clubs would get torn apart in the championship. I'd put them at league 1 level at the most

[@orbitt1048]

As a Nashville SC fan, that makes sense that we bounce around the 2nd and 3rd tiers of England. We are a decent squad, but our current manager holds us back I think. Seeing that we had 12 points deducted and we didn't get relegated is a shock to me. Can't wait until the USA's financial disparity between the leagues can settle out and we can have a successful pro/rel system.

[@golfer435]

Pro/rel will not work in the US sports culture

[@bababababababa6124]

Before watching imma guess that most will be low-mid level Championship clubs

[@henrikbreuer3221]

Nice video and a very interesting experiment. The one thing I think would've been interesting to see is whether the annual travel expenses had an impact on the profit of the MLS Clubs

[@djbowen76]

Does FM account for travel time between games? Honestly curious of the home/away splits for international travel

[@lop8315]

This is what I was thinking the mls clubs we’re probably paying a fortune on travel costs

[@anonymous71207]

back in FM20, I did a save with one of the russian clubs on the far east (SKA Khabarovsk) and it definitely does.

[@thegreathadoken6808]

It certainly account for a block of around 4 hours of time for travel. I'm not sure if more blocks get chewed up if travelling longer, but the games does know about distance, it even mentions how many miles fans had to travel in some of the more far-flung european fixtures in the media. And it CERTAINLY takes travel costs into account.

[@swikarneupane]

Would love a 20 yr, 30 yr, 50 years in future.

[@thetabbyguy921]

Now I want to see a database with all English speaking nations in one pyramid, include all of the UK, MLS, League of Ireland, Canadian Premier League, A-League and heck why not we'll give Gibraltar and New Zealand a chance as well. Obviously this would take a lot of work but I think it's worth it.

[@Kristoffer21265]

Hi Tom, subscribed and love the channel. I would love to see a “Golden Oldies” experiment were you put the oldest active players with the best current ability over the age of 35 into one team. For example: GK: Neuer DEF: Marcelo, Pepe, Sergio Ramos, Dani Alves MID: Modric, David Silva, Fernandinho FWD: Ronaldo, Zlatan, Messi You could make up the bench with the next best rated golden oldies. To make it interesting maybe you could make a team with all the best wonder kids in the game and add them to the same league to see who would come out on top.

[@aaron8977]

Honestly the fact that any MLS clubs could hang made me feel better. No matter how fake the entire thing is 😂

[@adriantulloch2713]

Can you please do a part 2 of this case this was your best video so far

[@Rehmedia2024]

In my current save I took dc united from 21st to 2nd in a single season after taking over from from a sacked manager. Then moved to Austin FC who finished rock bottom that season and in the following season with some minor changes won the the USA trebble

[@freddiefreedom4858]

Use the editor to make a new Catalan division and see how the new country does in regards to league coefficient etc

[@unking]

good idea

[@HistorysRaven]

I've been doing this for years in FIFA. Most teams stay in League 1, a few teams jump into the Championship and stay, some jump in and out of L2, and only a handful manage to get into the Premier League but none stay for more than two seasons. I start by putting most of them in L2 with the rest in L1.

[@ccityplanner1217]

F.M. should have a feature where every team has g.p.s. co-ordinates where they're based, & player fatigue for the away team is increased proportional to the physical distance between the two clubs. This replicates the disadvantage the teams from French Polynesia have when they play in the French Cup because their players have to fly halfway round the world to play in France.

[@PorterStatsTheSecond]

Brilliant KZbinr with so many ideas playing my favourite game. Just subbed!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@ChrisBa02]

Could you make a video on how to move foreign teams into other leagues? I want to do something similar like this but i have no idea how to do it

[@RionAgrias]

To be fair, Austin FC got knocked out of the Concacaf Champions League by a Haitian team that couldn't bring most of its players into the country and hasn't played a competitive match for nearly a year.

[@WelziFC7]

One thing I’d love to see more people do (especially Americans) is support MLS. Yes it’s not the quality of the prem, the rules are strange, and they call it soccer but the best way to make a league and the sport in the country grow is to support it. Don’t go into the game thinking you’re going to see El Clasico but you should be supporting your local club if you’re American and if you’re not it can just be a fun other league to watch

[@ScotlandSerenity]

I'd love to see Gibraltian or san marino clubs in English divisions as a experiment to see how far they can get maybe with more money income in england compared to gibralter or san marino leagues it may improve the national teams too if still based in their home nations some players of their nation appeared in improving over time youth intakes :)

[@91lemlem]

8:20, that is why the Championship is the greatest league in the world. Yearly bloodbaths.

[@timcliffsmith]

I mean, the story here is obviously the hilarity of LA Galaxy in the play-offs! Amazing.

[@CrossxFir3]

Why no philly union? They made 2nd in the playoffs and first in the eastern conference last season

[@thehawaiianpunch1769]

If this actually happened for some reason LAFC would have a massive home field advantage because of the time difference I bet

[@gamelard1963]

the things with the MLS is that every year the teams practically reset squads and every team has a legit shot to win the mls cup or at least the US open.

[@jakesimpson5233]

Tom, how did you get around the issue of MLS teams not having any homegrown players from England? I’ve tried a save like this and I kept running into roadblocks like that

[@yoshter]

I'd also like to know

[@dontbefooleeddbf7429]

Id like to see more mls teams included in a possible part 2. Teams like philly orlando city and other teams should get a shout as they both won a trophy last year in MLS.

[@robertkingston6164]

Norwich is a wonderful city and Los Angeles is a scorched sprawling hellscape of car parks, highways and juice bars

[@DBragg2124]

I have a save where I'm in my 3rd season with NYCFC. I've won every Cup so far. I JUST lost my first Cup, which was the Club World Championship, but was able to beat Man City in Group stage. Basically, the first thing I did was acquire as many international slots as I could, and the vast majority of my starters are internationals. I'm trying to get out of the MLS though, as it has not been a challenge since doing this. LOL

[@kylec10]

As an LAFC I’m loving the success, and loving seeing LA Galaxy be complete bottlejobs per usual 🤣

[@lordjustinian2913]

I would actually like to see if a 1 Billion TV deal with no salary cap but keeping the foreign player rules in the A-League would improve Australian football and potentially make Australia a team that makes it to the knockout round in the World Cup as the A-League finally becomes a league that can produce great players because I'm trying to do a Build a Nation Australia with FM21 and to start I'm actually wanting to improve the A-League but usually they rely on International players too often while my international players are either young Asian players or a random Tajikistan defender who I signed without fully scouting because my scouts keep trying to scout Croatian players and French players and yet I just want to see Asian players. I want to see the Japanese players in the Japanese league or the South Korean players so I can improve the team and make Asia better at football overall.

[@thomasmullaney3678]

LA Galaxy was clearly managed by Lollujo with that play-off record

[@MrSwifty101]

Not finished the video yet but would love to see how the teams you took out did in the mls

[@mainchannel1566]

As an American that has followed MLS since it's inception in 1996 it's very frustrating knowing how much better MLS could be if they relaxed the rules. The teams are all owned by *very* rich people so a $20M cap wouldn't cause any problems.

[@ariapipe32]

Awesome idea of a video, loved it

[@liammurty]

Should do this with Scottish teams & see if the clubs are really ‘league 2 standard’ as loads of English fans say

[@PArchie833]

Be interesting to see this done with the South African PSL clubs but they'd definitely have to start much lower down

[@TheXFalcon]

as a Charlotte FC fan, I'm just happy I got to see my club be in the premier league a few times and even avoided relegation for a season!

[@NoName-rq6bg]

01:18 and soccer is so popular in the US, that England alone still has more soccer fans than all of the US. If Soccer reaches NFL popularity (atleast 30% of people saying its their fav sport) America will be the centre of soccer and european teams will become like south america now. Used to be the best and their teams are still considered the biggest in history but can't compete anymore

[@JonathanRodriguez-lh5mb]

Interesting experiment! Personally as an American soccer fan, I would love to see USSF implement promotion and relegation with MLS and the USL Championship.

[@m.c.martin]

I’m not surprised Atlanta or LAFC are able to make it to the Premiere League. Austin likely fell off because they’re the newest team in the MLS so they likely could recuperate their lost expenses from travel

[@Mac77_]

What I learned here is that if Atlanta was moved to England and all other variables remained the same, we could become a team consistently in the Prem. I now have more propaganda for the machine, thank you Tom.

[@TheWandererTravelVlogs]

Seeing my Reading going from Championship to League One several times. FM23 doing us dirty

[@Mr_jz_12]

5:14 was that manquillo that played for liverpool and newcastle?

[@shawngillogly6873]

I suspect the travel is what does in the mid-market MLS teams. Not enough home revenue to offset the cost. So if they don't get back to Championship, down they go,

[@jamesstewart556]

AUFC would finally be able to re-sign Almiron, just in time for his 39th birthday.

[@nervusbreakdown]

I guess what they say it true about the Philadelphia Union, it is the most hated club in the MLS because no one wants to talk about them, forget the last few season that they did extremely well.

[@Jdkieddj]

You know this title sent some sad bloke into a (probably) drunken rage

[@gabee8750]

You should have picked the sounders. Even though they didn’t play well during the season. They were still one of the best

[@slowjoe91]

Great vid as per usual tom

[@donparkison4617]

So the whole thing is that the algorithm is putting those clubs into debt, assuming they wouldnt be able to make enough to fund this level and there is simply no proof of that.

[@twilliamspro]

Ooh do a follow up i want to see if Birmingham win the MLS

[@JustM1kePlays]

loved this idea. Shame my New England revolution didn't do so well

[@captain_lynn2179]

Im so glad that the bottom half of the western conference wasnt there... my hometown earthquakes would not last a second in england lmao

[@MrHala10]

Loved this🔥

[@TeamDiarchy]

You could do a series of bringing other leagues to the English tiers? (Maybe even do the top 5 leagues together)

[@onose10000]

Do their locations have any effect on their finances? Like, a club with championship level cash, constantly flying over the atlantic must cost a lot of money.

[@Pantalaimon91]

I think that's what happened to Austin in particular. The city itself is big but not a metro area at a comparable scale to the other cities by any means, same with Nashville. It probably shouldn't be surprising that they are the two that struggled the most with finances.

[@PolecanePC]

How did youth worked in this video? Maybe they didn't have youth intake/draft so they were losing on that season after season which caused downfall?

[@Pyrrho66]

Proof that FM only simulates the top 5 leagues well. No MLS club would survive the championship. I watch every Liverpool match, and regularly watch a bunch of other european teams, especially champs and europa league matches...I am Bored when at an MLS game. Have attended a bunch, mostly Sporting KC and Seattle Sounders...and I regularly roll my eyes at how poor the tactical and mental sides of the game are in the MLS. They aren't horribly technically, not bad physically, but that entire other side of Football, mls teams are just embarrassing. I wish so much that they would actually improve, the excitement of my College Basketball team every year makes me wish my other sports are just as exciting(Football and Hockey) but they just don't keep up cause of the mediocrity, especially in the bottom half of each sport.

[@floridaman478]

But you can’t doubt that the mls is getting better and better. And it’s only been around since 93.

[@TickleMeElmo55]

"mediocrity, especially in the bottom half of each sport." Talk about speaking out of your ass. "No MLS club would survive the championship" Keep watching Liverpool and thinking the MLS is League One.

[@nickbanting9134]

Im 6 minutes in and the Galaxy have to be the unluckiest team in this whole video. 3rd place 4 seasons in a row is brutal.

[@TheMothdemon]

Should've added the Columbus Crew to premier league, they're the original MLS team as in Charter member number 1

[@Paulog1990]

Am I missing something? NYCFC won MLS cup in 2021 and were 1 win away from going to MLS Final in 2022. Yet aren’t even shown here.

[@manme6051]

It's because many of the MLS franchises select players who are are stagnated in potential. LAFC and Atlanta United do not. They select players with potential, and that's why Bayern Munich is dealing with them.

[@sleepypandalullabies]

As an American and a MLS supporter, go crew!! I can tell you and all the other people out there this. MLS does not want to be premiere league or compared to your soccer programs. They are trying to do their own thing. They are building a league and not take over. As an example west ham has been a team some 1895. The oldest teams in MLS is 1996 and some just became a team in 2023. So why in earth would we want to compete or compare these two? You’ve had a fan base, culture and history longer and stronger than MLS. Give them 100 years and then have a conversation. Other than that leave MLS alone. And as a side note we have salary caps to slow growth and make it fare for all teams to compete on the same level. Trust me if Jeff Bezos wanted to buy Seattle sounders and make a 200 million dollar team like west ham he would. But we don’t want to. We want to build something first. But no point in comparing the leagues. Just watch and enjoy yourself and have fun and leave the FOMO and who’s better than who out of it.

[@randallbestrcb]

Awww couldn't get my sounders into the league :'( My guess (before watching the vid) is that teams get stomped in the first season before they start getting cash to play with and maybe a reputation bump. MLS budgetary and roster restriction rules really screw us over here. Probably why I haven't done an MLS save in FM since '18.

[@peytondagenais479]

Me watching my beloved Hull and Toronto.

[@danielgoode]

Man my Nashville got done dirty

[@IABJordan]

At least we did better than Austin 😢

[@markregulus556]

MLS FOREVER!!!!

[@thecodex0994]

Interested to know if jet lag would have effected the games both home and away form during the games and the following fixtures

[@alanmoore2197]

Its an interesting fantasy - but its truly just a fantasy

[@bammbamm1226]

Were the mls clubs still playing in their stadiums in the U.S? If they were that could be why a lot of the mls teams struggled financially

[@thegreathadoken6808]

I'd be interested to know more about the home/away records of the teams in this

[@iamflicks2646]

love the content

[@TomFM]

Thanks man, you love to see it!

[@Its_Sudhanshu__]

An off the topic question. How to move a club to a different league ? How did you do that ??

[@Ri315e]

I want to know aswell

[@joneezavala]

Can this be done with Liga MX clubs??

[@MrGA555]

I think Seattle Sounders would be a huge contender (for upper middle table)

[@oliwills4339]

Incredible demonstration of a yo-yo club in southampton lmao

[@jackstein9986]

Did anyone else notice Wrexham gradually moving up through the ranks?

[@gracielynn9623]

I wonder how clubs in the USL championship would do if you put them in EFL league two?

[@famousalbo4480]

now you have to do top 4 of each of the top 5 leagues in 1

[@BriswallYT]

How about switch 16 Championship clubs with the Premiership clubs and 4 Scottish Championship clubs?

[@randypradavinsky]

You need to get some other teams in, like the Sounders and Philadelphia Union. Top tier teams in the MLS that could represent the league better in this

[@jamespigden4614]

Would love to see how the English teams got on in the MLS in the same save

[@slinemfc]

That was what I was thinking.

[@stevenhedlund5009]

There are two MLS clubs that should have been included. Orlando City.... winners of the US Open Cup (similiar to the FA Cup) and Seattle Sounders.... winners of the CONCACAF Champions League.... the only reason that the Sounders did not finish higher was that they got hit by injuries to some of their star players. . Can you put the teams from last years CONCACAF Champions League into the UEFA Champions League and see what happens?

[@matthewl2244]

Didn’t expect to see Tom lifting in this vid

[@TomFM]

This is a gains only zone

[@jameswillmert3589]

You should make this video yearly

[@elishelton9398]

As an Austin FC supporter this broke my heart

[@GlodelaniaChannel]

I want to see Manchester United in La Liga

[@kevinorourke7494]

Would like to see the same done with Scottish Premier league