I Need to Talk About This DISGUSTING Oshi no Ko Incident.

[@bomj-valera]

Oshi No Ko: _shows that Cybebullying is horrible and can lead to death_ Oshi No Ko fandom: *Cyberbullies this single grieving mother*

[@KhaoxLazona]

Weeeell it's not the whole fandom but I get ya point. Same with MHA,feels like it's the whole fandom screaming Bakudeku when it's just the same 12 yr olds or whatever.

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

Just get off social media bro.... U'll be a doctor or rocket scientist rn if u put ur time online to something useful

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

@@aaronyoghurt9210 lol bro thinks becoming doctor or scientist is just matter of time. u have to put effort.

[@Shebeast3]

art depicts real life eh

[@reddytoplay9188]

@@QWERTY-gp8fd You misunderstood them. When you put your time into something it means you put in the effort.

[@Famous_Athlete_Hashimoto]

Not too long ago, the voice actress Akari Kitou (Nezuko from Demon Slayer and Tsukasa from Tonikawa) faced online harassment. What did she do? She committed the unforgivable crime of... getting a boyfriend

[@kylajensen1957]

The thing is that a lot of the time, there's a contractual purity thing involved with women involved in Japanese showbiz. Fans saw how people flipped out over the idea of Ai getting pregnant. Not only was it an out of wedlock pregnancy when she was just 16ish, but idols are supposed to cultivate an image of purity and "girl next door" vibes, and pregnancy doesn't mesh with that. It's sad, but it's true.

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

Parasocial hikkikomori headass mfs man

[@Zerokin]

Insert Eggman's "Jesus Christ, Parasocial! You need to log off!"

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Reminds me of the AoT situation involving Gabby's VA. If you know, you know

[@Zerokin]

@@chelsthegameruiner8669 Japanese or English?

[@astrowolvez]

It’s so insane when people care about a piece of media more then human people.

[@Chaddy744]

Twitter is just that right now

[@NelsonStJames]

It's is, but people care about lots of things more than human people, it's only tended to be looked at as insane when the thing is something someone doesn't particularly care about.

[@ctg4818]

Welcome to Earth

[@WuHo]

No they do not care about the anime, they just wanted an excuse to attack people.

[@joeramsay6269]

This is twitter we’re talking about tho so 🤷‍♂️

[@Skylark0000]

The worst part about this is that the show is deliberately condemning the same type of behaviors of the fans of the show. They literally fail to see the irony in their ways.

[@简澜]

Probably they don’t care, just like the fan in manga, they ignore how people see them and how degenerated they are

[@traplover6357]

These fans love the aesthetic of the anime vs the message.

[@CIAGuy178]

Literally. People watch shit just because it's popular without actually looking deep into it. This is especially bad when dealing with shows like this that dive into deeper topics.

[@delphineum]

Or worse, they realise what they're doing and do it regardless.

[@Yuan0287W]

@@delphineum not like this 🫣

[@DDJas]

The anime : "Being toxic in entertainment industry is bad, being toxic in social media is bad!" The fans : "AIGHT WE GON DO JUST THAT!"

[@Theblecquetzal]

Attack both Aka-San and a grieving mother, what a "W" we have achieved... yeah F this people

[@kubikim]

​@@Theblecquetzal some people are literally just blind.

[@idreadFell365]

Small minority of the fandom: Bet

[@phoenixflambe3319]

So much for teaching a lesson. If they don't listen.

[@spanden_potuzhniy]

W fans

[@skeeeeet5954]

The mother didn’t even want to cancel the show, she just wanted them to put a warning on any suicide involved episode 😭

[@Pixl69mc]

Netflix got that,but still

[@jamilgonzaga7081]

While do sympathize for the mother of the deceased, I also believe that they, and the show, are trying to spread awareness about mental illness, hence, if you watched throughout the whole 6th episode, they showed the suicidal hotline. The complaints of the mother really sparked a controversy online, revealing the irony of the internet. This is why I love the show, they're not just for "milking".

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

​@@jamilgonzaga7081 while I don't agree with the mother, the people who are cyberbullying her are pieces of shit. i think the act of portraying a crime isn't disrespectful to the victim, unless the show tries to make it so. she should be glad that more people are being aware of this problem through this show, which is a good thing. i personally don't think she should watch it, because it can bring back the traumatic past, but people need to be aware of this.

[@jamilgonzaga7081]

@@MorbiusBlueBalls exactly my thoughts as well

[@DarlingMissDarling]

I'd raise hell if my brother's suicide had been used by some random entertainment without my family's permission. It was so disrespectful and awful. They could have written the story ANY OTHER WAY to "raise awareness". The fact that the writers didn't issue an apology immediately says volumes. Let's not pretend this was only about the greater good and the wellbeing of others when those involved with the show's storyline couldn't even do the bare minimum with caring at all about the wellbeing of the VICTIMS MOTHER.

[@Randomshell]

The thing is, the actions that got Kimura Hana so hated weren't even her own. The production crew forced her to do and say things that would get her hated by holding the contract over her head. Other terrace house members have confirmed this in interviews.

[@RGC_animation]

Just goes to show how real life can be much much worse than fiction ever could.

[@crownofeunoia1907]

It’s even worse when Terrance House advertised themselves as a “real” reality show so they deliberately threw poor Hana to the wolves for ratings.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

It really mess up that people victim blame instead of getting angry of the industry who harm people or put it this way imagine if village get angry of the sheriff for trying to stop a bank robbery instead of the bank robber

[@anjalisuresh310]

The manga delves into the same thing : They put a lot of the blame on the production crew for the character's portrayal. It's so upsetting that this happens so often...

[@phantom-ri2tg]

if that is true it looks like they are getting away with it so far. I have seen a whole ton of comments in this video saying they understand the mother's grief for saying it. To add to it while I have not watched the series. I imagine the series whose opening was an idol talking about how much of a lie their public face is dived into this discussion. so really goes to show how much people failed to actually learn from the media they consume.

[@jasuran]

Empathy is a skill... If those so called "fans" aren't able to put themselves in others shoes and self-reflect on their actions, they learned nothing from Oshi no Ko.

[@HIROISHI21]

Those fans are like the fan that stabbed Ai Hoshino

[@spanden_potuzhniy]

They are the real fans, not fucking unicellular organisms who defend someone who assaults their favorite show

[@spanden_potuzhniy]

If you have stockholm syndrome, not my problem. Im gonna defend what people have made with love and whats being assaulted by an impudent whore

[@spanden_potuzhniy]

If you would have made an anime you have worked hard on, i dont think youd be happy to see it be dumped on

[@jasuran]

@@spanden_potuzhniy It wasn't being dumped on lol. A lot of people really liked it. It hit home so many people, including those who are sensitive to a SENSITIVE subject that anime presents.

[@Ellesiumss]

Anime: Showing people, that cyberbullying is leads to suicide. People: let us countinue doing that.

[@verchiel_8295]

The thing is, those sick fucks want exactly that to happen. Some people (more like rabid dogs) are fucking unhinged.

[@cklambo]

Humanity ladies & gentlemen

[@freeddreamer793]

I mean...what did you really expect? That's kinda like watching a cop show and then expecting criminals to understand that crime is bad and to stop it. It doesn't matter how good or well presented a show does, it isn't actually going to change anything.

[@LeGabrielMan]

@@freeddreamer793 boo womp

[@НарезкиМайни-ш7п]

let's go

[@Phantom95179]

How someone can watch Oshi no Ko, see how cyber bullying can destroy someones self esteem and happiness, then turn around and do exactly that to someone is beyond me. I hate that every fandom, especially the big ones, has toxic people like this in them.

[@Samanthayeoqy]

We see the result of the cyberbullying and the devastation of it and get sick of the thought of it but they see the power that they will gain from it and how they can inflict that much pain to others. How they are so strong while others all are so weak. They see that their sentences could make them react, so they keep on doing it. They will only understand it when it happens to themselves, but chances are , we wouldn't be able to find them.

[@Arthurious521]

We as humans are one of the very few species who have sadistic traits/tendencies. We as a species don't always kill only for survival/food. We also kill for fun. People enjoy others' suffering, etc. Same thing with online harassment. People abuse the lack of accountability for their actions

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

everytime I love a show, I'll never want to enggage with it's fandom online. It's either d1ck meassuring contest (comparing it to each other), or other stupid activity

[@Shebeast3]

​@@aaronyoghurt9210 don't blame you

[@MrFitzomega]

​@@Arthurious521uh? We can't tell how animals think so there is no way to know how sadist they are.

[@jackthejoke3298]

People really be watching a show about the dark side of the industry and what cyberbullying and harassment can do to someone just to completely forget the lesson and go about their day to do EXACTLY WHAT THE SHOW AND HUMAN DECENCY ARE AGAINST.

[@yoshitsune5691]

Ikr and that ep wasn’t subtle about it, like how obvious can the message get.

[@tametalks6102]

I've noticed a there are 3 types of fans of shows, ones who go looking for the themes and actually watch watch the show(more slice of life type but action is still there if its not just punch the bad guy we win), people who watch it and move on not looking for anything other then action and the thrills (demon slayer is a good example), and the fans who are obsessed with it and never let it go or move on and make it there entire personality (lot of eva fans here)(IRONICLLY eva was about not letting that be a reality for you by the end of the show) and the 3rd kind are the ones who will go out of there way to shit on people like this because they "don't understand the complexity and depth of this masterpiece and i wont communicate with someone lower thinking then me" type people that dont understand that media is not just about them or for them.

[@fluffydogloaf]

@@tametalks6102 this guy spitting facts

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

@@tametalks6102 You gave 4 kinds of fans, the slice of life type, the demon slayer type, the eva type, and the shitter type.

[@ezaf5989]

Cyber bullying isn’t real grow a spine cringe weeb

[@0danshi0]

It shocks me how common it is for surviving parents of dead children receive callous hate online. Even when the victim didn't do anything, parents are sent threats and obscene material. It's scary how little empathy we have for one another, even the least fortunate of us.

[@tic857]

I shows up all the time, been around for so long and its still prevailing. Ive tried so many times to try to figure out why people behave like that but I can't figure it out as a lay person. I think in my mind I always knew how cruel humans could be to each other especially after a loss. But nothing hit harder and showed me the ugliness of humanity than Sandy Hook. The amount of blaming the parents and accusing them of the wrong doing was so pervasive even through headlines it sent even me someone whos hundreds of miles away into a panic attack. IDK why, I still don't know why. It makes no sense, what do those harassers gain from doing any of that?

[@headkicked]

@@tic857 I've known people like this. They're just literal sociopaths who not only lack empathy but also want to see others suffer like they're suffering.

[@kitsumyr9752]

reminds me of this one girl who died in a car accident and fucked up people started sending her family photos of her mutilated body. i forgot her name but it was really disturbing how people easily do shit like this

[@armaanb.6566]

Its cool to them, thats why.

[@Rays91546]

@@tic857 I think part of it is that these are sad people who nobody loves and they see these headlines and think "wow look at them they're getting so much attention, I want some too!" It doesn't matter to them that the attention is bad they would settle for anything. Hence these pathetic human beings commit these atrocious acts to get even a morsel of that attention for themselves. That's how you end up with this incident and Sandy Hook. At least that's my explanation, otherwise I have no words for it...

[@Doktah_Zari]

I wouldn't even call these toxic toads fans, just down right trolls and bullies using the hype of the show to get away with their bad behavior.

[@Emil77777]

Sadly these people will fight you tooth and nail about who the bigger fans are. They very much are toxic fans and I can appreciate that you want to distance the community from these trolls but sadly they are fans just as much as we are. Best to not engage with them at all.

[@Dedgyblazer]

And as soon as names start to appear who the individual bullies are, they delete their accounts and rinse and repeat again - overall disgusting deplorable behavior

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

"harassers" is a better word

[@itachi00507]

ngl there r t0xic oshinoko fans like kana fans always sht on everything everywhere for kana, haters learn nothing from ep 6 btw there r also non oshinoko fans who act just to join make mess too

[@ShadowEmiya]

Why don't people think before they act on the internet is it really that hard?

[@Atom803]

the whole show was literally about this kind of topic, dont know how people can watch Oshi No Ko and then do stuff like this.

[@heato8870]

They're fake fans

[@kyri8573]

Because the show got massively popular and with that comes the horde of people that will behave like this instead of real fans. The reality is people who got the message won't do this shit but the people who is always using twittter like braindeads and just casually watched the show without paying too much attention will do what they already know, which is just being a stupid human being on that social network. Since the only people we get to read is the stupid ones, the silent majority won't give much attention

[@anjunell]

Undeveloped empathy is probably one of the reasons. Unfortunately, people who do things like that are either really young children who does not have the ability to process empathy or adults who didn't developed that feeling. Shows like Oshi no ko tries to teach people like that but it just doesn't get through some thick skulls

[@serialgunner6055]

It reminds me of the Steven Universe fanbase

[@veggsbacon1891]

Plot twist: The fake fans are actually watching a mirror. Reflecting their insecurities while their brains are off...

[@saffronnie3969]

She wasn't trying to cancel the show, they were making a GENUINE complaint to put a warning before episodes. Which I agreee with. I used to watch a British soapopera and after a VERY hard hitting and serious episode, they ALWAYS warned of the themes, and at the end of the episode they ALWAYS mentioned help lines that people who were affected by the episode could call.

[@H.V.C_Shino]

If you need a warning like that, then you should just not consume entertainment tbh.

[@saffronnie3969]

@@H.V.C_Shino Are you kidding me? What about light hearted stories and comedies? You can't say you shouldn't consume any type of entertainment because some people LIKE watching and experiencing these things. It's just, some people may be more sensitive to some topics than others. Like when I watched made in abyss for example. I nearly had a meltdown after one of the scenes because it reminded me of having my dog put down not even a year before. I bet many people watched that scene and DIDN'T have the reaction that I did because they never had that experience before. Everyone is different! While you CANNOT warn about EVERY topic, I DO think you should warn about themes of suicide and bullying since a LOT of people go through these things.

[@NGSolaria]

​@@saffronnie3969Yea. In many cases like you said, warnings for suicide, abuse of any type ESPECIALLY should be included. Bullying as well but mostly suicide and abuses because a lot about go through it and it may cause triggers of those memories they wish to forget. They should've indeed put a warning for the episode. For me personally as I've tried to take my life multiple times. I wasn't as stunned or affected. But others who've self harmed or tried to commit die may act differently and it can be more upsetting to them. More or less just relentlessly cyber bullies. People take it differently and we should all think about it and not ourselves. But as humans, we're all born selfish in some ways.

[@ClulssCrs3310]

Since this anime is all colorful and kawaii, it is meant to make you think it is another nice story. No warning of the twist is what makes the fandom.

[@azmochad]

@@ClulssCrs3310this is 6 full episodes after the actual twist, at this point people are 100% aware of how dark the show is. This is no excuse at this point.

[@makkapansanongkun2460]

I used to enjoy watching Terrace House until I found out what happened to Hana. Her death was a wake-up call for me that most, if not all, reality TV shows are scripted. I can't imagine how helpless and lonely she felt during the darkest moment in her life. My sincerest condolence to Hana's mother and her close ones.

[@bathulhu]

Used to watch TH as well. Not surprised people are attacking her mother, they attacked her for terrace house getting cancelled and episodes deleted from Netflix as well.

[@calesnr1fanandworshipper]

@@bathulhu They were attacking the mother about that? After someone really just took their own life and they're mad it got cancelled....I'm sadly not surprised as dissapointingly quite a lot of people are like this and really just makes me lose faith in humanity 'cuz wth even goes on in their head 😕😕

[@An.Unsought.Thought]

It took you until an anime scandal to figure out reality TV was scripted???

[@annaairahala9462]

I started watching it right before it all went down. Don't normally watch reality TV because of how fake it is, but I go into them with the idea that you can still enjoy something while recognizing it as fictitious. But once it happened I couldn't watch anymore

[@annaairahala9462]

@@An.Unsought.Thought When did you learn? Everyone learns at some point, for them it happened when watching TH, for you maybe it happened for some other show or maybe it's what you were told. No need to bring others down

[@Neo-Queenserenityt2l]

While I appreciate Oshi No Ko for bringing light to the awful working standards for idols, I don't agree with the harassment the fans are giving that late wrestlers family, like how can you watch a show that brings light to awful stuff like stalking and harassment but proceed to harass someones family when they just want to move on from it

[@Doktah_Zari]

I wouldn't even call them fans, just dumbells pretending to be fans.

[@SageYT7709]

Especially with wrestlers, namly what happened with Hana Kimura-san. I'd love for joey to do a video that situation.

[@bluedragon1181]

@@mge_kon People who break 2,000 year statues for attention?

[@brendanmystery]

@@bluedragon1181 Even then no. They should be punished by the law and then move on.

[@ausgod538]

Literally isn't about idols, it's about JP entertainment industry

[@valentinechoco6917]

My genuine question is; how, in the living FUCK do you watch a show, see the lesson it's trying to teach you, and then do the exact opposite of what the show told you NOT do to. I'm genuinely both baffled and disgusted at those "fans", to go out and attack a grieving mother without any second thoughts is so horrible. I'm a little bit speechless honestly, I can't even imagine how the mother is doing right now. I wish the best for her and I hope she stays strong through all of this, no matter how difficult this seems.

[@chomperplant2843]

Those "fans" are just weapons of tools for people to use. Just weapons.

[@AminaZero]

Most People just act. They don’t think…

[@ghoulbuster1]

They aren't fans. It's antis.

[@RandomL0s3r]

Easy: Consume Anime (Prerequisite: Be someone not japanese or has a literature degree)

[@KnotPhound]

Those are the kind of people who watch the show for no reason other than "anime girl = cute".

[@TonyVD]

I've been in the entertainment industry for 15 years. From a Talent, to Photo/Videographer, Editor and Talent Manager Scams, Exploitation, R*pe, Abuse, Suicide, Drug dependency, Bullying, Rejection, Cancellation. I've seen it all first hand. And that is why I believe this is an important anime in order to show the reality of what the entertainment industry is like as so many people think it's all a dream like job/career. There needs to be awareness of how toxic it really is. The suicide episode is a common story within industry as people always compare themselves with each other lowering self-esteem. It really takes a mental toll.

[@Tippy555]

you censored r*pe but not s*icide? double standards smh

[@sherly_lovi]

​@@Tippy555That's not the point lmao.

[@sherly_lovi]

I agree. I'm not in the entertainment industry, and I don't know much, but I've seen, read, and heard so many stories like that... It's horrible. The same kind of things happen to the new source of entertainment too : Vtubers.

[@mikamikami1]

I think its also important to note that all Kimura Hana's mother did was air her discomfort. She did not invite an army of people to boycott the show nor did she try to CANCEL the show. And yet, these "fans" want to cyberbully this mother? for what? you claim to be hardcore fans of the show while doing exactly what the show tells you NOT to do. You can be uncomfortable with a show for whatever reason. Nobody deserves to be bullied for that. the people bullying her are pathetic.

[@norwa3518]

thing is, the mother was showing a lack of understanding and reasoning so she came off looking like she was in the wrong. It wasn't just "airing her discomfort." She sounded like a Karen. "How dare this show portray what happened to my daughter?" only looking at it from one angle when... A) thats not her daughter, thats Akane Kurokawa. It was never confirmed by the author that the Hana Kimura incident was related in any way. This is fiction. Note that the author never specifically states her name, or the incident. It may very well be based on it, but the fact of the matter is its not confirmed, so saying it as such without confirmation is simply untrue. B) the show is trying to spread a good message condemning cancel culture. Its not used to make light of the situation. the cyberbullying is uncalled for

[@mikamikami1]

@@norwa3518 I just did my research into what she actually said and i agree! In my opinion, you cant really do anything about an incident like that shown in a show because i'm sure hundreds of very similar incidents like that must've happened around the world. its not like the media will stop including characters whose parents died in a car crash just because someone's parents died in a car crash. But at the same time i do understand that this mother is grieving and probably wont be logical or rational when it comes to this, even if the show is not in the wrong.

[@tomaskopecky9348]

@@mikamikami1 The Oshi no Ko episode did use the very quotes which ended up driving Hana Kimura to suicide.

[@norwa3518]

@@tomaskopecky9348 yea im sure lines like "just die" and "please kys" are totally unique and have never been said on the internet before! please dont act like this shit doesn't happen. You're free to believe whatever you want, but dont spread misinformation.

[@claudioluis9816]

​@@norwa3518i mean you're trying to criticize a mother who had a daughter commit suicide. Just because it happens often, doesn't mean the effect has any less impact on those close to the deceased. I agree the mother didn't think this through but she's grieving. Just let the mother be irrational in her moment of weakness

[@koro5555]

This is what called as Rubber Band Effect. The viewers can feel the revelation they get while watching it, and return to their original habit after a while

[@ArlindoBuriti]

because they are people bro,they are not there to learn shit. what the fuck you are expecting? what you are saying is insane. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk bro why this murderer did not change his ways after watching this movie about life bro? is the rubber band affect bro... holy shit are you or did you go to college? because that is where you are the same.

[@danielakbari3447]

this entire thing is tragically comical, it's just so obviously hypocritical

[@megamicromanager2449]

It's like Vinland Saga portrays the pointlessness of violence and the fans are somehow drawn to the very violent nature of the story

[@ea_naseer]

I have no enemies

[@anvithpayyavula7114]

even the author admits it tho, fights are cool as hell, that's why we have thorkell

[@joshuahoenig9559]

Yes! I’m loving season 2 of vinland saga, im a few episodes in and enjoying throfin and einars farm life. The peace is so good and just seeijg throfins character grow and coming to peace with himself and following in his dads footsteps. However, all my friends are so annoyed at it cause they just want to see thorfin kill everyone one. And im just shouting inside that its not the point!!!!! Haahah

[@killzone866]

thats very much in line with the point of it.

[@wcoffin-s6770]

We see this with American Psycho too where Patrick Bateman is portrayed as a comically weird loser but people idolize him.

[@freedomofthewanderer]

Man hearing about Hana Kimura always makes me cry. It was such an unfortunate event. RIP Hana. The Joshi puro world misses you.

[@danieldeleon45]

She was the reason why I felt in love with the joshi scene, I remember when a saw the news, I couldn't stop crying

[@CoreZeroPH]

I was so excited back then, finally getting to watch a season of Terrace House as it was ongoing. Alas, the world is sometimes unpredictably very toxic.

[@terlalungawur]

Same, and i'm not even a wrestling fan.

[@Syiepherze]

@@terlalungawur Same, not a wrestling fan either but I heard about her from a friend who is, and I really admire her

[@forda1480]

Same. Loved her on Terrace House, but after what happend I stoped watching reality tv altogehter.

[@recalledgamer0010]

This episode is BRUTAL with how it shows the harsh life of those in the spotlight and just how cruel people in fandoms can be and the fact that this show does this as harshly and brutally honest as it does i think is a good thing because lots of people dont understand the real pressure these types of stars face and how that much hate can ruin the lives of those stars.

[@ArlindoBuriti]

yeah lets feel for the elites because being famous is hard. not that most idols might as well be slaves with wages, lets feel for people with so much that they forget that material can only get you so far. relating to the elites is just idiotic.

[@22thedon90]

@@ArlindoBuritiwhat 💀

[@dslight113]

its just words imo , some can handle it ,some can't

[@Scarshadow666]

@@ArlindoBuriti You assume that most people that get a little bit of fame are "elites" when most people that suffer from cancel culture can also be average citizens (thanks to how we portray ourselves online/in society if we're not careful) and stars that are just starting out in something outside of their comfort zone (as Akane was in the show). Cancel culture and cyberbullying has been an equalizer on who it targets, and the reason shows like these are made is because not everyone is able to bounce back from the experience.

[@PaulGirdlestone]

I have two daughters (7 and 9 years old). Outliving them is the one greatest fear I have left in my life. I can't even fathom how horrible the mother of Hana must feel everyday. What kind of disgusting piece of filth would take it upon themselves to harass a grieving mother, a person in the absolute worst horrific moments of her life? How messed up and sick in the head does a person need to be to go after someone so vulnerable and down on their luck? If you are one of those people, you are the absolute worst of what human life has to offer.

[@SubbedInKanji]

Say it louder so the fandom can hear it over the trash in their ears and head 🙏

[@danidan2174]

grieving for 3 years ++ isnt normal, most likely shes waiting for this very moment just to be able to sue for similarities which isnt even similiar and knowing anime fans they took the bait 😂

[@uchuyle8172]

@@danidan2174 I’m sorry. Are you a mother, or at least a parent? You don’t even realize you lot are the problem, do you?

[@rinnzu]

danidan seems like as if you’ve never interacted with another human being before and got to understand basic emotional intelligence . I suggest you touch some grass

[@zenixvampirchik652]

@@danidan2174 the fuck? It isn't some dumb debuff that goes away after 3+ years. That shit scares you for the whole life

[@Goozeman]

Even if Hana’s story and Oshi No Ko were not the same, just how hard it is to be a fcking human being and be nice to a grieving mother.

[@cheyannahughes8767]

It possibly hit very close to home even if its not completely the same like all my heart goes to her. Tho it does happen in the spotlight especially if you get bad rep. It's a gray area

[@Whysp]

I can somewhat understand both sides, the cyberbullies and the mother. FYI, I am not defending the CBs, I'm just stating what the thought process might have been to allow a more unbiased viewpoint. If you are gonna reply to this, read everything first. From what it looks like, it can be percieved as the mother making a big deal about something that happens in multiple animes, like if someone's relative or friend was to die from a public stabbing and then they watch Reincarnated as a Slime and then complain to the creators about the similarity, they might feel as if the person is complaining for the sake of it and get upset at that seeing it as an attack against something they love (being Reincarnated as a Sime) thus getting all defensive about it. In a situation like that, it would be better if both parties don't complain since many anime have people getting stabbed and complaining about it wouldn't help much if at all. However, this is a far more different situation. In this situation of Oshi no ko and the mother, we see that according to the mother, from the situation that Akane was in to the messages she was receiving, how it was practically one to one, how the only real difference was that Akane was saved by Aqua while her daughter wasn't. We even see the creators admit to using her daughter's story as inspiration (though we don't know much more past that). In a situation like that, the mother has every right to complain and be suspicious especially from the recency of her daughter's passing. I understand the mindset of the CBs however that in no way excuses their actions, especially given the parallels.

[@nocturnaldev8607]

​@@Whyspso ig ppl can't even create something without offending someone humanity...

[@Whysp]

@@nocturnaldev8607 Thats not what I'm getting at. There's always going to be a similarity to a real life version of what happens in an anime, thats pretty unavoidable for more realistic anime. If it were the case that the only similarity was the suicide or the jumping off a bridge, then I'd somewhat understand why people would be upset at her complaints. Doesn't make their actions right, but it does explain things a little. In this situation though, it's basically a replica according to the information given, just different people, different entertainment professions and the fact that Akane was saved. The mother honestly does have a right to complain if it is the case that all those messages in that episode (or a large portion) was ripped from the whole occurance with her daugher. Yes there are people who get offended too easily at things, however in this situation, that is not the case and even if it was, the CBs have no right to do what they did.

[@nocturnaldev8607]

@@Whysp yeah ofc I condemn them for their action but if we continue like this we won't be able to cover sensitive topics without being cancelled by people.

[@KnightFox411]

The same people who harassed this wrestler into committing suicide, are now the same people harassing her mother. It's not about the media or the platform, it's peoples entitlement and self loathing that bleeds into other peoples lives. Those people will get what comes around eventually.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Well even the mother is harassing the author and the staff.

[@julesop3866]

@@paperplane-db8qf No she ain't, she is literally just flipping out because of the trauma of her daughter's death. She wants them to put a warning, that is it. I guess she could have done it better? But still

[@Aquabzs]

​​@@julesop3866I can get wanting their to be a warning about suicide and all dat on that episode, it is a topic that may have a horrible effect on people. But if she is saying "those are the same things said that caused my daughters death." I'm sorry but those are generic threats that if anyone had been cyber bullied have probably seen. I'm sorry for her loss but I hope that she can hopefully understand that her daughter's death was not the main "inspiration" for this.

[@maxtech23]

My condolences to the mother, can't imagine how shocked she was seeing how similar that episode was to her own daughters passing, It's absolutely disgusting how low some people will go to "protect" a show, these people are not fans, they need to be kicked off the internet and get mental help.

[@kokkolintu3528]

Yes, if it was very similar to her daughter's experience, I think the creators of the story should give her some of the monetary winnings of that episode. (Especially if the mangaka has said they took inspiration from the daughter!) Or donate it to suicide prevention. Or even dedicate the episode to the memory of her daughter... something like that. A gesture/acknowledgement is what she needs I think.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Sorry bro but nah, that Ritsuka X Jalter pfp is sussy

[@saytam_ar]

@@kokkolintu3528 I am sorry but the mother doesnt own any rights to a Female attempting suicide. However hope she revovers from both the trauma of loosing a kid and being cyber bullied by idiots on twitter... man i am happy those idiots are only on twitter. That way we wont see much of them on other platforms.

[@BobNinjaCat]

@@kokkolintu3528 Uh, no. The author owes her nothing from being inspired and trying to bring a real issue to light. If anything, the fact that you think compensation is owed is incredibly offensive. What even the heck? Tragedy does not have a copyright. There is no exclusivity to being bullied or suicide or the grief of others. I would suggest you look into the Karpman Drama Triangle because right now, you're part of it.

[@Scarshadow666]

@@saytam_ar I've got bad news when it comes to other social media platforms and cyberbullying... 0_0 While Twitter is definitely infamous for being a hub of cyberbullying, that isn't to say other platforms don't have cyberbullying either (sometimes there'll be KZbin comment threads that do that sometimes).

[@Dino-rj6gq]

I ain't gonna lie, while watching this episode it reminded me exactly of the young wrestler's story throughout the whole section. I can't even begin to imagine how the mother who actually lived through this situation felt watching this episode. Her grief deserves sympathy. This show does a great job at showing what these situations are like. I don't believe either of them are in the wrong, sometimes there is no universal right/wrong.

[@justinmplayz8809]

"sometimes there is no universal right/wrong" a lot of people need to hear this

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

@@justinmplayz8809 And a lot of people need to hear the opposite of that. And a single person might sometimes need to hear.. both? Boy they'd be confused.

[@quinnarts]

I dunno. If that the mother about using the same exact words her daughter is attacked with unaltered then I think Aka is at fault. According to the translated article, the mother Kyoko’s criticism is very specific. She wasn’t like “don’t use the story” or “the story is too similar to my daughter”. I don’t think he should be bullied or cancelled (because no one should be bullied) for it, but an apology from the writer and producer of the show would imo be appropriate.

[@justinmplayz8809]

@@TheSorrowfulAngel "so many things to be said, but so little things that can be heard" or smth idk I just felt like being poetic

[@dragan3526]

@@quinnarts i think he has every right to use real life as a source of inspiration and the mother's mindset is very problematic since it could start a chain reaction of creative censorship for works of fiction.

[@Kaltagstar96]

As a huge pro wrestling fan, the death of Hana Kimura at such a young age hasn't gotten any less tragic because it was just so fucking preventable.

[@zanewolf2509]

Reminds me of what happened to the guy who played Joffrey in GoT. From what a lot of the cast said he was one of the nicest people they’d met… yet he was harassed to the point that he refused any other offers and officially retired. People are assholes online.

[@chiaraschweizer5665]

It so weird how some people can’t distinguish that the characters are not real and the actors just act that way are not like that in real life. I mean do they believe that dragons exist in real life as well or what.

[@zanewolf2509]

@@chiaraschweizer5665 I’ve met a few people who believe in dragons, none of them think characters and people are the same though… I like the pfp btw.

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

I think it's a minor trend that the people that portray asshole villains in tv shows/movies are usually super nice people IRL. Not all the time, but often enough that it's noticeable.

[@EchostyleStudios]

@@TheVillainInGlassessometimes applies not even to villains lol. Take john wick for example

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

@@chiaraschweizer5665 That just shows you the level of intelligence these types of people have.

[@gyozasauce8707]

Not enough kindness and empathy in the world these days. People act like not giving a fuck about others is a good trait.

[@ASthe5th]

It is a good trait. People who dont give a fuck dont bully people on twitter or even use it.

[@F4-agqfq]

@@ASthe5th traits are neither good or bad, it’s how we use them that makes the difference ❤

[@Algebruh2407]

​@@ASthe5th Apathy can be good as a "I don't care enough about the drama to get involved" attitude, but can be equally as bad when it is used to say that you don't care enough to help someone out or to show kindness to others. It isn't some absolute good or bad trait to have, but generally speaking it isn't a good trait to have when you see someone else who needs someone to care.

[@mktwos]

@@ASthe5th key word: about others

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

​@@ASthe5th theres a difference between not caring about others and not caring about what people think of you.

[@andresantos3487]

This is an anime that needed to be mainstream so people can understand the possible consequences of cyberbullying and of bring obsessed with a famous person. Too bad that people fail to use their brains and read deep into it, cause in their eyes its just a cute looking anime on the outside. But for me, as a 34 year old male, seeing all these young people with dreams being shattered because of bullying..god it pisses me off how people throw away empathy so easily because theres a screen separating them from the other person..Avoid Twitter folks.

[@TheGreatSalsaMan]

If the internet is the human body then Twitter is stage 4 cancer…

[@Wainwright95]

I remember watching that season of Terrace House and feeling distraught after hearing the news. To think those people are making everything worse for her Mother is unfathomable

[@calzonexiv]

I've not ever heard of this...what kind of show was it, was it like a Big Brother type thing? What did the late wrestler do supposedly?

[@Wainwright95]

@@calzonexiv it’s similar to big brother, 3 men and 3 women live under one roof and they all tend to usually be looking for a partner. From what I remember, I think she was rude to one of the house mates she was close with because he ruined her wrestling outfit in the laundry

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

​@@Wainwright95 What a petty greivance for people to harras someone for.

[@KhronicD]

@@ANPC-pi9vu Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Japanese fans really tend to be more fanatic about things than a lot of other cultures. Not all of them of course, but there is definitely a higher proportion of those type of people in Japan. Perhaps is just cultural, but either way it results in people doing terrible things without even thinking. Cancel culture in the rest of the world just cannot be compared to what sometimes happens to Japanese celebrities who dare to make a mistake because they are human.

[@djberry9535]

Rest In Peace To Hana Kimura, at least she was able to give joy and happiness to the Joshi community, Tokyo cyber squad forever.

[@dualityanime]

A mother has the right to grieve for her daughter and a writer can take inspiration or have a level of interest, albeit dark , from events like this. These two things can be true at the same time without attacking anyone. The whole situation is sadly ironic and shows how little some viewers took away from the message of the episode. One distinction the article should have made is that Akane didn't contemplate suicide, she attempted suicide. I know it's a small thing but it speaks to the gravity of what Oshi no Ko covered in Episode 6.

[@Nasuada15]

I wish I could upvote this comment more than once.

[@adoroselatte]

​@@Nasuada15same

[@redstone4522]

Honestly, the Story of Hana Kimura is likely not the only case of a popular influencer being cyberbullied to death. there were almost CERTAINLY many, MANY cases just like Hana Kimura and Akane of much similar shit being said, which lead to an influencer's death. Yes, Hana Kimura's mother has every right to be angry at the production team of ONK. but in the same light, Hana Kimura isnt the only case of cyberbullying leading to a person killing themself.

[@AnimeSimp234]

Exactly. I would agree more with the mother if this type of incident was more of an isolated case, something that doesn't happen often, but it does.

[@kiersten101ify]

@@AnimeSimp234 that is sadder than anything else.

[@octo448]

This. Hana's case did make very large waves, but she is by no means the only one and she is not the most recent or the most well known. The pointed call for the inclusion of content warning is valid IMO, but I think in her grief Hana's mother forgets that she is not the only mother to have had this happen, nor is Hana's case all that notable or rare. That's a horrible truth, but it means that the situation in the show bearing resemblance to Hana's situation is likely coincidental and not biographical. I can think of no fewer than five kpop idols, a couple actresses, several reality TV stars, and a couple star athletes for whom the situation is extremely similar. I don't watch Oishi no Ko or really much anime at all, but this situation comes up in traditional western TV all the time. That's why you'll see the "People and events in this media are purely fictional and are not intended to bear any resemblance to real life people or events" warnings at the beginning of many shows or even books. Even the 'words' she talks about are very common words and on the internet, people take what they hear and repeat it in such a way that those aren't indication enough that it has been lifted from Hana's story. I don't think there's ever a reason to direct the kind of vitriol and hatred some fans have directed at Hana's mother, period. However, I do think that the makers of the show could easily not have done anything wrong in this situation and that her feelings are just that- her feelings, and not the kind of mean spirited conspiracy to "use Hana's legacy for profit" she somewhat insinuated it was. It's a serious episode about a serious topic that was (as I understand it) handled really well and respectfully. Hana's mother's emotional response is understandable... but it shouldn't bear any impact on the show or the fandom at large, except maybe the valid criticism that a content warning be added to future broadcasts.

[@1lamouna]

Idk, when I watched the episode at first release, my first thought was of Hana's suicide. Yes cases like these happen all the time but I think this one particularly was a bit too close to home. And her mom has every right to point it out and state her opinion if she wants. And considering all she asked for was a content warning label, really not much to argue about, but ppl online did anyways.

[@Shadow_Symphony]

They are doing same thing that caused Hana's incident. They put the mother, in the shoes of her daughter for a moment, and showed her what it possibly felt like for her. That is just beyond cruel.

[@Mirachaya]

I haven’t watched Oishi no ko but I do feel for Mrs. Kimura. My brother committed suicide when I was 10 and I'd be distraught if someone used the circumstances surrounding his death to create entertainment even if tasteful and an important message. For her to go through this as well is deeply disturbing. 😢

[@RyzelSama]

Sadly, when it comes to bullying, the type of comments used don't change very much, if at all. I don't know how many times I have been called 'Sasquatch, Jolly green giant, Big foot, and/or Gigantor growing up and at every new school I went to due to military life and moving, but it can get really bad...I learned to become numb to the comments and be a snarky bitch back, but not everybody does, nor should they have to.

[@nelsitcho]

I mean... If you can choose to help preventing this from happening to someone else's brother, why wouldn't you?

[@Mirachaya]

@@nelsitcho I mean very specific details. Again I didn't see the episode nor know all the details of the case. If asked to use his story for inspiration there would probably be details I would not want used. Again, I don't know how specific or personal any of it is.

[@leonardohidalgo5127]

It was not based on his daughter.

[@thecipher8495]

@@Mirachaya I have watched it and by reading Hana's circumstances it's in the blurry line

[@user-yj3kg9gv2p]

Hana's case was running through my mind while watching that episode too and I completely understand her mother not wanting to relive that traumatic experience again. As a huge fan of terrace house I was very heartbroken to learn of this incident and the role of the production staff in it. It's very saddening that people have not used this incident to reasses their behaviour and show some sensitivity to those affected.

[@TheProswagonist]

Since Akasaka-sensei hasn't released a statement on if it was 1 for 1 inspired by the Hana Kimura situation, but even if it was, I think its important to note that it took the subject EXTREMELY seriously. Stories like these are dark and are tragic, but I think its important to show them in order to help avoid similar tragedies in the future. I don't blame the mother at all for feeling the way she does on this. But I think it's needed to tell stories like hers so that other mothers and their children cam avoid that situation happening to them. You can't erase a tragedy that's already happened, but you can try to prevent similar ones from happening again in the future.

[@DoodWhoDraws]

The mother's complaint may mostly stem from the issue of people keep pointing out to her "this particular show depicting what exactly happwned to your permission" With a lot of people claiming a particular story directly using a traumatic experience from one's life "without even asking permission from you or the authors not even directly talking to you about it. Adding the fact that of course the topic is taking something that the mother is probably overly sensitive about, it's not really hard to think that one can can view that as people capitalizing on a personal experience that is the source of the mother's grief.

[@MizukiTheUnderPro]

You can potraly these things by doing your due diligence, paying respect and more importantly ask for permission. Just cannibalizing it for the sake of entertainment under the guise of making art doesn't make it okay.

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

@@MizukiTheUnderPro I don't say it's okay, but taking inspiration from real-life tragedy and turning it into a fictional story is very common. For example, my brothers and friends died in the middle east conflict, and Western cinema just blatantly depicts them as enemies and bad guys that are okay to be killed while glorifying war. It makes me angry every time, but nothing I can do about it.

[@MizukiTheUnderPro]

@@aaronyoghurt9210 And thats why its inportant to speak up about these things. We're lucky that there are more and more modern stories out there, that depict war as tragedy and not the good vs. bad narritives some folks like to push.

[@npcimknot958]

​@@MizukiTheUnderProI agree. it's the same with that guy dhamer and leople not respe ting the family victims. and fangirls attacking th4 families. it is very insensitive.

[@akoga_]

I don’t usually make comments on videos as I tend to just consume my media and then go about my day but, as someone who has prevented more than one suicide in his time I feel I’m in a unique position to talk about what’s happened. The way this mother is being treated is completely unfair, I remember when Hana Kimura passed 3 years ago it was a big deal for a lot of us as it was an example of just how fucked up the Internet can really be sometimes, and I’m sure I’m not alone when I say I wish somebody could’ve been there for her. I believe that it is up to us as a community to do better not just the anime community but every fandom out there to check abhorrent behavior like this as soon as it arises and to reassure those in the spotlight they aren’t alone. Far too often we forget that the people that give us the media we love are in fact, real people. It’s far too common that people feel justified in making hateful, hurtful, spiteful comments towards people that just want to entertain them, and it needs to end. It starts with us.

[@feha92]

When keeping score of such things, is it done as once-per-person, or once-per-event, or once-per-suicide-attempt? And yes, I do realize how macabre/morbid it is to ask how you keep score of your suicide preventions- but so is the mere fact that it's _possible_ ask (no matter which way you interpret that sub-sentence, but mostly meant in terms of you keeping score to begin with), so meh :p And hey, statistics. Always fun to see how ppl treat the subject when creating their own :) Interesting things are interesting, no matter if the context surrounding it is less than ideal

[@wiktord9264]

And on the contrary, people who give us content forget they're the actors and actually take all the criticism to themselves. Which imo is wilder than what you said. Like yeah, people are gonna say things but that's because of how good of a job u did presenting the character

[@akoga_]

@@feha92 That's a strange way to put it, I don't keep score. People in my life needed help and I helped them, it just so happens that there was more than one occasion where I've had to do so.

[@akoga_]

@@wiktord9264 I get where you're coming from but not everyone who creates is putting on an act. Even if that were the case there isn't an excuse for such vile behavior towards them.

[@claire4212]

@@feha92 Huh? Keep score in preventing suicide for what though?

[@treekoace0259]

No one is really at fault in these kinds of situations. The show's writers wanted to highlight the ongoing issues in the Japanese entertainment industry so that they could be potentially fixed or alleviated, and Mrs. Kimura was reminded of an event that no mother should ever have to go through.

[@wandarobinson5582]

Having a niece who killed herself last year, it hits home. The maniacs who would say such horrible things probably do not know what it feels like to lose someone that way. I feel sorry for their ignorance. Apparently they have no life to go on a social site and bully someone they do not know. They need to apologize immediately and do some time at a suicide hotline to get the jist of what it is to watch someone struggle with living and conclude to take their own life. My niece was a jewel , just like that mothers child. It is hard and I think she should not continue to watch the show but honor her daughter with great memories and help some who may be experiencing the same pain.

[@baeber]

I'm sorry for your family's loss I hope everyone in the family can heal that deep wound overtime

[@vincenthizon6838]

I’m sorry for your loss and I hope you can properly heal from this experience over time.

[@wandarobinson5582]

Thank you all for your beautiful concern. As the Anime Man stated, it is appalling that people do what the show is trying to express. It may be a cartoon but it is real in life. I glad he told us about these idiots, let’s just keep supporting the positive and vanquish the negativity. It has to start somewhere.

[@hunnykun101]

I'm sorry for your loss May she rest in peace

[@yoloo01]

May she rest in the most peaceful way possible, and may you recover safely, it takes gut to share your story and i hope everyone recovers well. May you all continue to live happy lives and never forget your niece. She will forever live in your hearts 💙

[@anatsumin]

This is actually something that has happened IRL to multiple people, not just this case. Just look at what netizens were saying about people like Kim Garam or Shin Jimin for example, which were eventually proven innocent, but got the worst comments I've ever seen. Oshi no Ko did a very realistic take on the ugly side of the internet and popularity.

[@wiktord9264]

it's not ugly, it's just realistic. There's nothing ugly about free speech.

[@banir3736]

@@wiktord9264well, jokes on you, realistic CAN be ugly. Not everything is flowers and honey

[@bronaghmccabe]

Jimins case was awful and what makes it worse is there was no correct solution cause Mina's very graphic and public mental health breakdowns couldnt be brushed over. Jimin was truly put in a damned if i do, damned if i dont situation.

[@Yami0to0hikari]

​@wiktord9264 and here is another person who doesn't understand what free speech actually means.

[@chirag9159]

@@wiktord9264 People telling you to unalive yourself and commenting disgusting thing towards you and your family is seen as free speech nowadays huh. You're crazy.

[@Naotahaley]

*my heart sank when it turned out you were talking about hana, her passing broke me especially since I've actually talked to her a couple of times before. She didn't deserve any of the hate, the producers of terrace house did for making her do those things. So her family have EVERY right to feel this way. Rip to her fr she is greatly missed ):*

[@laurenbauman3517]

I don't believe that Aka intentionally used Hana's situation as a plot device, but I definitely do still understand why the mother would be hurt.

[@PrograError]

I suppose the writer, Aka, did say it was an inspiration. But this story is so common, it's hard to make any more different and yet directly non cryptic way and no reference to IRL incidents... My guess is that the mother put herself in the proverbial shoe of the show, and therefore felt the need to voice out in protest in it's depictions. sympathies where due but the fans are just being literally the online fandom in the anime and manga, hence just toxic...

[@quinnarts]

@@PrograError Her objection is that from her perspectives the exact comments her daughter received that she shared in interviews were used

[@GeekyC]

To anyone who is going through a hard time right now I’d like to share a quote my grandad shared with me and truly helped me. “When you find yourself in hell .. don’t stop to look around keep moving”

[@KhaoxLazona]

Reality of the situation,most times people close off JUST a bit too soon,shame really.

[@charlieianzo5513]

2 things I simply learned from this video: - Oshi No Ko is a ficitional anime regarding real and imaginative story components - The story of a grieving mother is real, can't be more basic than that Dear "fans", I hope you read this.

[@controlcon]

No one should be blaming the family for feeling this way. They have every right to feel what they feel, and we have no place to judge them for that. I personally think Akasaka Aka was not trying to directly reference the Hana Kimura incident, and was instead trying to comment on the whole issue, and distinctly only used the Hana Kimura incident as reference. Considering the fact that many similar situations to her have occurred in the past, it's just unfortunate timing that the specific chapter released around the same time as the incident. Even so, it is definitely not the mother's fault for feeling this way, it's just an unfortunate situation all around. It's honestly disgusting and depressing that these people can watch a show that literally criticizes behaviour like this and then consequently perform the exact same toxic disgusting behaviour that the very show they're watching is calling out.

[@manvelmsurian9712]

I honestly think that the hana kimura thing is just a coincidence. The manga started a month before that incident happend and judjing bye how kaguya-sama was written(forshadowing something a 150 chapters in advance), he plans his stories out a lot.

[@taigaaisaka6305]

@@manvelmsurian9712 Dude.. come on. Let's not grasp at straws here. It is a direct reference. They are never going to outright confirm it for obvious reasons. But anyone trying to pretend its not is just closing their eyes, covering their ears and going LALALALALALA. Both of them were on a Tv dating Show. Both of them did something that angered some people. Both of them got harassed in the same way. Both committed sui*cide. Only difference is one of was saved. I don't know how anyone can see both of them, see they they match almost perfectly, then go "Yup, just a coincidence."

[@yukikme5041]

@@taigaaisaka6305ut he said the manga started 1 month before the incident? Though idk if he’s referring to the manga entirely or the chapter in question.

[@Tag_Live]

@@taigaaisaka6305don’t think aka ever meant for it to be direct reference and instead only meant for it comment on the whole subject itself. Just sucks that both happened around the same time.

[@zerafimza4183]

​@@taigaaisaka6305 the chapter released earlier than Hana's accident..wtf are u talking about

[@gabrielcrisan9402]

The episode shows exactly what should be avoided at all costs and how corrupted and bad is this bully problem. As a Oshi no Ko fan and as a human being i am disgusted by the people doing this awful things and i am very sad and sorry for her mother and for Hana... Rest in peace hana 🙏

[@nelsitcho]

Each and every one who persecuted Hana Kimura's relatives are disgusting human beings who learned literally nothing from the story they love so much. That said, someone needs to explain to the mother that what Akasaka Aka did was really shedding light on the issue, it has nothing to do with profiting from her death. I'm sure the vast majority of fans learned a lot from that arc, deeply sympathized with her daughter's unfortunate case and condemned those responsible for it. I wish her mother could understand that.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

i think both groups are wrong ... on the mothers side companies and writers should not have the responsibility to cater to personal opinions of one viewer ... but as for the fans that was also disgusting

[@noranizaazmi6523]

@@toukoenriaze9870i mean asking for a warning isnt that bad? ALSO, the thing that happens in the show is somewhat based on the Hana Kimura (rip) incident, so i think this isnt just one rando on the Internet, this is the mother of the person..

[@infrakazos]

@@toukoenriaze9870 well she was probably traumatized by her daughter's death. You cant expect someone to be fully rational when their child dies

[@toukoenriaze9870]

@@infrakazos ye thats fair

[@AngellishV]

I remember when the news about Hana first broke out. The wrestling community was dumbfounded and shocked, hell even I reacted to her last tweets in real time, my japanese isn't that good but even I understood Hana was not in the right place. It was surreal to watch her japanese fans trying to talk her out of it. Today we still remember Hana, I believe Chris Jericho recently talked about her in one of his podcasts.

[@djberry9535]

She was way too young and it hurt, especially since ive only heard of stardom because of Kairi and Io, and Hana got me into stardom, a shocking moment and heartbreaking for the wrestling community.

[@backupforthevideos3861]

It's unfortunate that some people's minds have failed to understand what this story was about, we never learn, do we...

[@Aiyume7]

as a kpop fan, i see a lot of this same behaviour constantly and it always baffles me? people constantly stress the importance of mental health and how we should be nice to each other, and then the same people bash the groups, the members, the fans... it's fascinating.

[@eri_noemi1462]

The hypocrisy pisses me off too.

[@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl]

As a mother I can absolutely understand why she didn't like it. It's one thing to tell a similar story it's another to be so precise to a person who went through that and whose family is still grieving. My only problem I don't think what Akane went through wouldn't have been as powerful without seeing those hurtful words. As much as I am on the mother's side I also understand in order to tell a story that hurts you have to go to a place that hurts. Unfortunately those texts you see when Akane is scrolling threw comments are the exact same comments other's have gotten. What I'm saying is the internet may be vast, but their levels of hating on people remain the same. What her daughter experienced I guarantee someone else has been through. The mother has every right to speak out against it. But, the internet being full of no thought losers don't see it as a mother speaking her peace, but as some person going against their anime. Which is fucking disgusting. You can respect someones opinion and wishes you don't have to be a complete asshat about it.

[@_tkd_6689]

The topic needs to be discussed The specific comparison has not been confirmed The family of the victim has expressed their discomfort with the show, and this comparison in particular The least we can do is to stop making this comparison and not harrass those who are uncomfortable with the topic

[@wilse1155]

Those harrasser think they're amazing for standing up for Oshi no Ko... but they didn't realize they became those portrayed...

[@jamesw8698]

Only thing I've heard on the topic is that the release dates of the original Manga were within months of the incident and chapter 18 or 20 is when ep 6 starts, and from my understanding, don't Manga do planning beforehand? Like storyboards or something harassment is out of the question obviously, so unless it's made clear whether they took inspiration, I at least, will just assume it's one of those "all characters are fictional, any resemblance to real people or situations is unintended" or whatever that disclaimer is

[@karebushmarebu233]

@@jamesw8698 that's not how manga works for the most part. If its a weekly manga as most manga is, they literally write and draw the manga week to week, so if you read a weekly manga on the day it comes out, it was literally written and drawn in the week before. The work culture for manga artists is ridiculous

[@jamesw8698]

@@karebushmarebu233 ah then my understanding on that part was wrong, thanks for clearing that up

[@tarakan_io]

What do you mean by 'stop making this comparison'? To stop giving exposure? Because stories like this have to be shown to the public so humanity can try to learn from mistakes (humanity and learn from mistakes, what a joke). And movies / books is the best way to give this needed exposure. It's one thing if this was fully copied from the mother's dauther's story and another if it was only inspired by this. Even tho, I am not a lawyer to decide. Millions of people have their grandparents died because of both world wars and we have a lot of movies about both of them, including some very uncomfortable like 'All Quiet on the Western Front'. I am pretty sure there are some people who are uncomfortable about this topic too. But that's a story, nothing less. And we should learn from it, not hide it. And this topic should not be about the mother's complainеs and if they should be satisfied or not, but about the harassment that it caused.

[@Dark-uj2jq]

I feel like it's important to tell people that the company behind Terrace House basically forced Hana Kimura to behave that way for ratings. They also apparently were telling one of the other people in the house, Kai, to grope her at one point. They also have a slew of sexual harrassment accusations against them.

[@TimoKanal]

I truly feel sorry for the mother's loss, but my opinion is that this episodes and others of its kind play a vital and positive role through spreading awareness of this topic. It shows and portrays all angles of the struggles and of others' ignorance so well, which at least for me makes me self-reflect and think how I can be more inclusive and supportive to people. Of course not all people are that aware yet, as we see in this news. Let us learn from stories like this instead of banning it.

[@celesiamigardine4903]

Although highlighting these stories is important I think there's still something to be said having inspiration to real people who existed recently enough that their loved ones are still alive. For them it's akin to relieving the trauma of losing that said loved one so I understand why the mother feels this way even if the manga may not be specifically referencing her daughters death. If u want to retell a tragic story in the media your writing it's crucial to ask for permission first otherwise it's just exploitation.

[@gthyperion3038]

this is exactly how I feel I believe it would have been a very different situation if oshi no ko took it lightly but from a viewing point of view I could tell how seriously they took it. so just like joey said its an unfortunate coincidence and its sad Hana Kimura's mother felt this way but she has every right not to like seeing it and she shouldn't get any hate for that even if you disagree with her notation of boycotting the show.

[@scott--1629]

@SerenaSilvermoonVT u should absolutely ask the mothers permission, tell me this, what if she doesnt want her daughters tragic story told anymore or used for references, coz lets face it it's pretty much point for point a direct reference

[@Corruptthecity]

@SerenaSilvermoonVT I feel like you can use the story but possibly change a bit of it up. Using the literal exact word for word wording that was used against her daughter is pretty fucked up.

[@scott--1629]

@SerenaSilvermoonVT bro thinks ima read his fkn essays, my point after that backs up what i said, it's way too close to her daughters story to be considered summin different, it's practically a point for point re-telling, but y'all cant seem to comprehend this

[@ArcticFFox]

My view on this situation will always be: the mother has every right to be upset, but NO ONE ELSE involved does. Unless they directly knew the girl, they have no power weighing in on a complicated matter like this. Oshi no ko's portrayal is rightfully tragic to the mother but everyone except her only has the basic right to criticize the show's decisions. None of the harassers are owed anything and they should be ashamed of their actions. The best we can do is stop comparing a fictional character to a real life tragedy and actually learn the lesson that episode was trying to teach. If the mother wants to pursue anything, it's up to her and her alone to deal with that.

[@Cris88G]

💯

[@lisaraa23]

I really enjoy the show and it's kinda upsetting to know that some fans would go that far instead of understanding the shows message, how are they fans? It's a mother and she has all the right to speak up.

[@Lezdethka-np2bq]

She has no right. Freedom of speech ppl can talk against her

[@Cigam_HFden]

For those in the US as well there is the 988 number. Similar to how 911 is for emergencies 988 will direct you to the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline.

[@SentinalSlice]

This a weird sort of issue. The mother is mad that the show has similarities to her daughters death. The fans are mad that the mother wants to prevent the message that that scene was about, but in doing so they are ignoring the message as well. It’s like one weird loop thing.

[@wiktord9264]

And in the end the only lesson we can learn here is that no matter what you say on the internet you'll always get cancelled

[@yesyes7650]

Imo both sides have their own point

[@lordtette]

I don't think she was trying to stop the message, just that it hit too close to home and it wasn't that long ago she passed. Maybe if they spoke to the mum beforehand and given her a heads up.

[@SentinalSlice]

@@lordtette I don’t think she wanted to prevent the message either. But I think that’s what it seems like to some fans.

[@Leo-yf5bx]

the show: online harassment is the worst and most miserable thing you could do to people as it can lead to death the "fans" : allow us to introduce ourselves

[@ishashifar]

While I don't believe Akane's incident was based on Hana kimura specifically, because actors committing suicide because of hate on reality show is actually pretty common. It's not right at all to harass Hana's family members because they actually lived through that stuff,her mother feels uncomfortable due to the topic which is justifiable,and I feel like it's really insensitive to harass her because of this

[@bloodrance]

yap, not only one

[@sheshystar9380]

I do believe that Hana Kimura inspired a substantial part of Akane’s story. While I do think that the writer was regardless aiming to make an episode about a showbiz character attempting suicide, the writing for this chapter started right when Hana Kimura’s story was getting the most attention in the news. There’s so many very close similarities like the fact that the reality show incident that Hana received so much hate for was her slapping another cast member and Akane received all the hate for the exact same thing. Plus, the fact that the comments they showed in the chapter/episode were exact copies of comments that Hana’s relatives and friends stated that she got in news articles and interviews.

[@Callum027]

There's a movie I watched last year that touches on similar themes called Kami wa Mikaeri wo Motomeru. It was a pretty visceral experience, but I also understood that the movie was trying to portray and make people aware of the dark side of the entertainment industry, and the real world effects unrealistic expectations and cyber bullying has on real lives. I felt that Aka Akasaka had the same intentions for Oshi no Ko. I hope that Hana's mother finds the peace she deserves, and the horrible people ridiculing her learn to understand that they're doing the exact opposite of what the media is intending.

[@Jay100.]

I think the issue was done respectfully in the anime but those who attack Hana’s mother are pigs. I cried learning about Hana before I even knew about oshi no ko, and I cried watching the episode inspired by Hana. My heart breaks for her mother.

[@heatherchapasko2684]

These kind of things make me afraid to call myself a fan of anything. Fan has always been short for fanatic and every fandom has toxicity. The mother has every right to speak out, the fandom has no right to attack her. 💔

[@SoulExter]

Hana Kimura comitted suicide on May 23, 2020, cause of death was determined as Hydrogen Sulfide inhalation (not jumping from a bridge) Oshi No Ko chapter 25 (Outrage) was release in the weekly young jump on November 19, 2020 The investigation concluded that it was a suicide in December 2020 Basically although the general public could have assume at the time that it was a suicide, the investigation was still ongoing when the chapter in question of Oshi No Ko was being written. Although it is a very sad experience and no parent should see their kid die before them, my personal opinion is that the author did not copy paste Hana`s suicide into the story. There is way too many difference and the author was depicting how internet can become the cause of suicide very quickly. There is a lot of suicide in Japan every year (approx 21000 suicide in 2020), it is a very very sensitive topic there. Since it was in the news, yes he could have been inspired by the incident, but she was not the first and only reality show star to commit suicide after bullying. But the goal of the story is to attack those exact behavior so yes there will always going to be similitude with real suicide.

[@soulangela7154]

Thing is, the official investigations usually take a while before they get to conclude something. I imagine COUNTLESS of news articles already wrote headlines about her suicide inbetween may and november, and countless people already assumed it was suicide.

[@Fries225]

A lot of people sadly fall into cyber bullying when they think their argument is "just factual" without ever taking into consideration that just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. Even if you think what you are saying has grounds for being true (that suicides like this one will continue to happen so it begs the question at what point do you stop creating a story because it bothers/hurts a group of people. Kinda like how true crime is being criticized by families of the victims. Stories like the titanic only worked because it was such an old tragedy.) At the end of the day empathy is needed to know when and where to give your opinions. Giving it to a grieving mother is most definitely not the place.

[@TheSteam02]

It's funny how Oshi no Ko hasn't taught anyone a GODDAMN thing on what many public figures go through and how to properly behave (Like normal people).

[@LongNguyen-hw5hk]

Apparently, in this era, they only watch anime because of the animation and gorgeous-looking characters.

[@rohanbesra4831]

@@LongNguyen-hw5hk 100% They act cool now and don't deep dive into the characters. People these days watch it just for the sake of attractiveness but they don't look into their actual characteristics, of what makes this character human. Even if a character is hot in appearance, they're still humans. Pardon me for my language since I'm a non-native English speaker

[@LongNguyen-hw5hk]

@@rohanbesra4831 I bet 100% of those people skip back stories :)

[@ghoulchan7525]

I think some people only watch it for the asthethics. I keep seeing fanart and it just. One character doing her idol pose. Or they don't watch it at all.

[@annara686]

Unfortunately, it's always had been, it is and it would be...Humanity would never learn

[@Fenndrakon]

It is really sad how toxic the web, especially Social Media has become in recent years.

[@rotonek2887]

Enabling really does wonders

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

Always has been.

[@taigaaisaka6305]

Like someone else said: "Social Media has made people used to say heinous stuff without being punched in the face."

[@warden1775]

This time of years is different, i hate it

[@dragonifyamazing2721]

this is why anonymity is a hell of a drug

[@AnniePannanie]

Even without knowing what happened in the episode I thought of Kimura Hana. Honestly, for me it shows how much is going wrong in media and Fandoms. My heart is with her mother.

[@PowerSynopsis]

Ep 6 actually had me in tears. Akane is such an earnest, hardworking character, and didn't deserve the hate.

[@zamgend9641]

She deserves to hate especially in current manga chapter

[@PowerSynopsis]

@@zamgend9641 bruh. We're not talking about the Manga. We're talking about episode 6 of the anime. Stay on topic and don't ruin story beats for those of us that aren't there yet.

[@Sam-Icy]

I remember hearing about kpop idols/actors have a problem with cyberbullying and suicide. It's very sad but I'm glad an anime finally touched on these topics. It is a bit of a stretch for the family's of these entertainers coming out after the anime because the character is very relatable to lot of these terrible suicides. It happens and I hope people become more aware of how you should treat people online or IRL.

[@ayamestitcheskurta]

This anime seems like a deep one, I’ve heard so much about it and the art style looks amazing and colorful. And I love me a dark story! Sadly, there will always be those “fans” that are as toxic and continue to be toxic because they don’t care about the story…it’s just what’s popular or drool over an anime girl.

[@Lezdethka-np2bq]

It's fake deep

[@djstevie69]

I have friends who worked with and knew Hana Kimura and her mother (Also a professional wrestler) Kyoko, since Hana's death her mother has supported artists who have brought a spotlight on the issues surrounding what happened to her daughter but also she has absolutely gone after people who have attacked her daughter for events around the reality tv show Terrace House, and so she should, she was mercilessly bullied and attacked and at the age of 22 she was not able to cope with it and was given no help by the producers, she had the world at her feet and instead felt she had to end it all. So no I don't think the mother is over-reacting but I do think she would have worked with Oshi no Ko had they approached her and I think that should have happened if they did take influence from what happened. I honestly doesn't matter how any of the fans or people here 'feel' about the incident what is important is how the family of the deceased feel and they deserve to be heard, not bullied.

[@SMA2343]

The thing about Oshi no Ko and Terrace House. It wasn’t even the Akasaka who said that it was based on it. It was the scanlation group that said the plot was similar to what happened on the real life show and it was like a parallel.

[@captainfatfoot2176]

Idk where people get the time or motivation to harass others like this.

[@RandalReid]

Some people are addicted to internet drama and the feeling of validation and self-righteousness exacerbated by groupthink. That's where they get their endorphins.

[@rhianirory7310]

it happens to celebrities from many Asian countries. when I read this in the manga my first thought was Sulli from the group F(x), who was relentlessly bullied firstly for a photo shoot she had no control over and then over everything little thing about her, along with many lies, until she broke down and unalived herself in 2019. sadly her best friend, also cyber bullied, followed very soon after. i believe it's something that needs to be addressed but harassing a grieving mom for being upset is beyond anything i expected (despite knowing how toxic some are online). it's really disgusting to see these fans doing to the mom what was done to her daughter.

[@Zenkyuu8921]

As someone who watched Etika go through what was presented in episode 6, and seeing Ms. Kimura’s response. I fully sympathize because Etika passed about 4 years ago, and even now, due to all the years I watched his streams, it still hurts going back and watching react to trailers for games that released after he passed. There’s this heavy feeling of despair of thinking he was there to see what was next and realizing that he’s not here, and also realizing how long it’s been since he passed. It hits you when you remember so many good memories, but get a hard cut from that to grieving that person’s loss.

[@OnchiBon]

#joyconboys4life

[@chubbybunny6975]

The over 1,000 people who have disliked this video are REALLY outing themselves for being heartless bullies who think harassing grieving parents over a show is a "healthy, normal, human thing to do"

[@paperplane-db8qf]

No because it’s one sided. The mother literally did the same thing and attacked the author and the show. KZbinrs should just say the truth instead of cherry-picking their narrative.

[@isfpoisson]

​​​@@paperplane-db8qf The mental impacts of being criticized by one person versus being bullied by thousands of people are not comparable. Also, a complaint that a show is capitalizing on the real and recent tragedy of your daughter's death is more valid than a complaint that someone is criticizing a show you like.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@isfpoisson it’s irrelevant. The mother herself asked Hana’s fans to boycott the show. That itself could’ve easily snowballed into it ruining the career of so many people. People are responsible for their own actions and not others. Whether someone else does the same thing or not is irrelevant. Also the show didn’t capitalize on anything. This is like complaining world war movies capitalize on the death and destruction on world wars, so those movies are banned. Suicide is not a copyrighted event.

[@elBossmano]

@@isfpoisson "capitalizing on the real and recent tragedy of your daughter's death" ??? the world does not revolve around that woman and her dead daughter. Thats like saying action movies or shows capitalize on actual irl victims of violence. Like what kind of backwards ass logic is that

[@isfpoisson]

@@elBossmano If the action movie is recreating a real event from only a few years ago, then yes, it could be said to be capitalizing on the tragedy. The piece of media will get more attention because of that recent tragedy. On purpose. Thus, "capitalizing."

[@battlereed4708]

I feel bad for the mother. I hope this whole event and episode brings forward the talks regarding the pandemic of suicide with young people.

[@smallbrainpleb]

It’s really sad to see oshi no ko bring the issues of the entertainment industry to light and show how much someone involved in that industry can suffer, and then have the entire message completely go over the “fans” heads as they replicate the exact behavior that causes that suffering

[@Emre_H.]

I am very okay with Oshi no Ko using that incident in order to help us realise the truth of the internet, what it can cause to people's lives. But I can't imagine people who'll watch the episode and still do the exact thing the episode is teaching us not to do. If I understood correctly "the relatives of the woman who suicided expressed their discomfort online" this means they wanted to be warned before hand. They are not exactly looking to punish the manga's author or the director of the series. (Btw, they can ask for that to some extent, IMO.) But, we still have people who'll watch the show without a brain, therefore harasses these said individuals. I am very happy to hear that Ai's and Akane's existences were taken from real life incidents/events. Like "The Stabbing of Mayu Tomita" or "The Suicide of Okada Yukiko".

[@nefy]

I wonder how many issues will pop up while Oshi no ko continues to unveil every dark side of Japanese entertainment.

[@grayrook8637]

I absolutely respect the mothers feelings to be upset here I fall into the camp that can forgive the usage of her daughters memory in a constructive way. I don't think Aka intended to use that memory for cheap shock value. He is attempting to shed a light on a real thing in an honest fashion. Suicide is a serious problem Epidemic almost in some parts of the world. Using art to depict and bring awareness is a necessary and necessarily uncomfortable step to point this problem out to society.

[@Cris88G]

True that.

[@wildcats1369]

TAKE MY ANIME OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!! Kidding aside, i do feel for the mother. Seeing Akane on screen might have made her the traumatic experience of losing her child. It might have triggered her regret for not seeing the cues that leads to her daughter's death. On the other hand there are those people who's coping mechanism are these animes. These people needed the media that if you threathen to take it away they are sure to lash out. Sure i will be sad if the series gets cancelled. My mind will start to wonder on why it happened. The idea someone with a hidden agenda is behind this will form. A rival company? An opportunist who wants money? Someone who just seeks attention? Or maybe the industry who got offended themselves. I just hope it does not lead to another Akane breaking point situation because unlike the show Aqua may not be there.

[@eow4317]

It’s situations like this where I wonder if the rumbling was really that bad of an idea

[@bestpriest2224]

Nope. I've never heard about this one before Joey talking about it. But sad that this incident happened.

[@NuckElBerg]

In the end, Oshi No Ko is a show that is explicitly about "pleasant lies" that people/the media industry tell in order to make people feel better about a pretty shitty world. In a sense Aka Akasaka's "retelling" of the Hana Kimura incident could be seen as another one of those lies; what could have been if the world was a little less shitty, and Hana actually got the help/support needed in time. Despite some people complaining about Oshi No Ko using the real incident as inspiration, or even saying that it devalued it by changing the outcome, I still think Aka's "message" could be interpreted as a "what if", and a reminder that things may actually end up differently by not letting the vocal minority run rampant in situations like this.

[@realfarmerboy]

This enrages me, and I find nothing more blood boiling than overattached fans bullying people over stupid crap. Its so sad how they buse the fact that they are protected by a screen. But at the end of the day, we all have to realize that no matter what people say, we have to be better than the people that hurt you. My condolences go to Ms. Kimura, you have every right to be upset, and I hope things get better for you.

[@1ronfighter]

i'm shocked at how evil people can be sometimes. This was a reminder that not all people want the best for others😥

[@urban0443]

Aren't we all like that? Just be honest to yourself. You also act like that sometimes.

[@Riley26]

​@@urban0443well you certainly are like that. Have you even thought about doing something nice for once or the only thing that comes to your mind is bringing more pain to other people's life. "You also act like that sometime" who in their right mind with proper education would act like literal animals. Be optimistic for once, wouldn't it be better to see light for once.

[@1ronfighter]

@@urban0443I only say something i probably shoudn't about my friends, Who are ok with it. I've never commented something negative about someone i dont know personaly😮‍💨

[@beams098]

She has every right to be upset , but unfortunately this situation is not specific to her....she could probably search the internet and find hundreds of stories told by people or maybe in different media formats that show the same situation

[@Anurahm_Kycor]

Thousands of people kill themselves every single day because of bullying. She has every right to complain but she IS just wrong. even if it was a direct rip of her daughters suicide, it means effectively nothing. Because that EXACT same scenario happens to thousands of people every single day. It's telling the unfortunately common story of a thousand unnamed and unknown individuals, not just her daughter.

[@NicolSD]

I am disgusted by those bullies' actions. They are not fans.

[@BenSS3]

Good on you Joey for covering this. I haven't watched anime at all in the past year or so (keep forgetting to catch up), but it's of great importantance to have these stories covered. Anyone who is partaking in this atrosity of cyber bulling, anyone for that matter, let alone the poor mother, should really take inventory of themselves and take the time to read what they are saying to others, before and after the fact, of getting involved in any capacity of a controversy like this. It's horrible that people are just so selfish that they probably don't even realize just how hurtful and cruel they are being and are just trying to jump on the bandwagon, "for the lols", as most would say. There's an appropriate time and place for everything, but seriously, whether it's related to this incident, or something completely different, before sending out messages, please, just take a second to think about how it would make YOU feel if the message that your about to send to someone you probably don't even know the first thing about IRL was being sent to YOU instead. I'm not trying to act all high and mighty here, we all make mistakes, but together, we can just take a few moments out of our day to day life to really consider if sending a message to someone else, especially when you have no involvement nor any context to what's happening, is really such a good idea. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, as I said earlier. You may be upset at the time, so before sending anything negative to anybody, just wait before hitting send, and come back to it later. If you still feel that it's appropriate, or perhaps something that you feel that you need to speak up about (hopefully only in the context that pertains to your actual real life, and NOT some stranger that you don't know), then go ahead and send it then. It's easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment, but just take some time to relax, then rethink if it's truly necessary to send that message. This applies to anything and everyone, the world would be a much better place if we could find it in ourselves to just be a little bit more kind to others, and try to be considerate to their feelings. Sorry for the wall of text, but basically, TL:DR: - Don't grief people you don't know - Try to consider how a message would make you feel before just spontaneously sending it - If you're upset over whatever's on your mind, walk away from the situation for a bit before sending a mean or rude message. A lot of times we get caught up in the heat of the moment, but sometimes it's better just to be the bigger person by not saying anything disrespectful, hateful, mean, ect. If you don't have something nice to say, just don't say anything. It shows that you're the more mature person, if nothing else. My heart goes out to all of the people involved in not only this (especially the mother), but to anyone struggling with similar issues. Don't be afraid to ask for help, guys, seriously. Some might tell you it's a weakness to need other people to help you, but I can tell you personally, that's just simply not true. We ALL need other people in our lives sometimes, humans are social creatures, after all. Honestly, the stronger person will be the ones that are able to ask for help, because it's really hard sometimes. We all have times like that though, so as I've said, don't allow yourself to suffer and know that there are plenty of loving people out there that only want to help you, just as much as unfortunately there are cretins and creeps that will try to do the opposite. Never give up hope, and I hope this message reaches someone who just needed that little push in the right direction. You are worth it, and you are loved. Don't let anyone else ever tell you otherwise. ❤

[@VenusRhapsody]

This is why I stopped liking anime, people do a lot of vile things for the sake of fictional characters, for example bulling a 30-year-old woman for drawing an NSFW drawing of Bakugo with a Teen OC, which is ironic because BNHA fandom is even more gross with their characters especially making NSFW artwork suggestive or not, even manga and writing stories.

[@vanitas-ti2ze]

i feel awful for her family.. i can't imagine the stress that episode induced. maybe it really should've had a content warning at the start. can someone help me understand - what is wrong with using a similar situation in a fictional story? like Joey mentioned, this is not a rare thing that happens in the industry. shouldn't it be shown in media to make people aware of what's happening?

[@snakeplasma3276]

Ummm.... There's nothing wrong apparently(Depends on who you ask)?... We do it with any and all tragedies but there's a catch to it, the double edged sword c-word; Context ⬆️ supports timing/place/space. That supports the climate we're in at certain times of human events. Like Nazis, slavery, documentaries etc it was a cool thing till we were like nah it wasn't supposed to be but it was at that time for some still and ongoing...we learn and fall and repeat. The mother is ofc valid in her grief and the author is I hope Teaching us the Morals why it's wrong to do that/ the incidents. But who's right and/or wrong...well that's on us individually and as a group to decide and things go on repeat... such as life. There's no way that it isn't related to the topic, automatically connected just like other cases but just like crazy documentaries the ppl and family are hurt and the story is told...who told it, why and wat was there intentions, who benefits from this, entertainment ⬆️ the reader/watcher/listener/seer companies/moneymaker etc. The only w/l is death at the end; that was promised long ago. Oh by the way that content warning ⚠️ with number! and or tags is always a welcome to me, helps out a lot to allow us to say yay/nay and move on. And perhaps verification step for a second warning if they couldn't be bothered to read/see the ⚠️ sign("Are you sure about that!?"Yes/No). Like Made in Abyss. Amazing but...........damn... Though now I have a question. These creators specifically japan(Dieing/low population), I wonder what there thoughts are in The END when they-as in author/artist-animators/actor-voice etc. Die. They work themselves literally to death for our entertainment. Are they hoping to be remembered for there achievements? I really wanna ask "why they do as they doing?" And how it effects them like this topic. Are the answers always that simple "it's my passion, achievements, end goal,..."

[@Jinkypigs]

There ain't anything wrong and the mom was overboard and just lashing out mindlessly. Her statement should be corrected but not bullied in turn.

[@vanitas-ti2ze]

@@Jinkypigs oh yea she def doesn't need to be bullied. this whole thing is sad. i know the internet is cruel, but god damn

[@supersaiyanunbreaded6765]

Im surprised her mother came out against it. For one they didnt glorify suicide or anything like that. Two it brought a ton more awareness to these kinds of things happening and three Akane got saved. But harrassment is never ok or the answer

[@fahrenheit2101]

Yeah but it's still a painful reminder of a traumatic event irl, that they didn't ask the family if it was ok to use. Ofc, there's no guarantee that they intentional stole the story, but had they done that, it would be just a little insensitive, regardless of intent.

[@AkitaMix]

IRL Akane isn't saved.

[@TheEowyn22]

I know this a few months old now, but I wanted to add this is a big problem in the k-pop fandom as well. “Fans” have been attacking k-pop artists for daring to be spotted with a Starbucks. If they delete the photos, they are demonized for not groveling enough. When called out on the bullying - the “fans” say the artists deserve it for thinking wrong and not accepting their “education”. Some are going so far as to say the artists should commit suicide as they don’t deserve better. This within days of Korean actor Lee Sun-Kyun committing suicide after relentless bullying from the police and netizens. They are the most toxic people.

[@mrravinraven]

My heart goes out to Hana Kimura's mother. She deserves to have her emotions and not be bullied for them. Media will not stop for her, nor should it, but this material has been incredibly thoughtful about this subject. Just leave the mother alone. Leave the authors alone. No one is in the wrong except for the people who are going out there to bully the mother. Those people are vile and are not accepted by the rest of us.