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[@BirdmanNotFlew]

Football will go back to England before Zealand has a background change

[@Iamrealhonest]

Ooh, that really hurts. But fair point.

[@RhinoYTT]

Damn that’s good 😂

[@ganaed]

Leave them alone lmao 😂😂. Great comment

[@CamGoldenGun]

he went on a world tour, there were plenty of background changes during that week lol

[@gakster29]

Did Troll Football and European Lad get concerned when Qatar used slave labor for those stadiums? Or did they think that's the way to do it to assure game day is flawless....

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

"their culture" bs.

[@jackpastor7147]

Troll football is the worst football Twitter page. He sucks I blocked him cause he is constantly negative steals content and makes borderline racist posts. There has been am epidemic on football Twitter of being constantly negative for a while now and he is the logo for it. It quite sickening and I hate it cause I want to have productive conversation about the sport I deeply care about and but it feels like the conversation are so surface level or just let me insult you and then not engage in conversation. It makes me want to stay away from that plagued site.

[@dannywalker6999]

Everyone disliked Qatar..

[@jacksonboyd02]

⁠@@jackpastor7147ya man. I used to like going on social media to look at soccer/football post read comments get other peoples opinions etc etc. that was 4-5 years ago. Now it’s honestly just abunch of little kids and immature people just throwing insults and laughing at the smallest and dumbest things.

[@ronel7836]

@@jackpastor7147 troll football twitter account has the same energy as a british man on his twitter account bitching about how japan is going "woke". Idk if anybody knows the name of the twitter account, but his posts are sometimes funny too look at

[@williamnicks2148]

To say nothing of the fact that there will be 100k+ mostly drunk people in multiple college football stadiums this fall and nothing like this will happen.

[@jacksonboyd02]

College student here and you’re correct. Also why am I agreeing with a Tottenham fan😭

[@devilsolution9781]

happened in wembley also

[@ha04Rry]

100,000 drunk Americans is just not the same level as 70,000 south americans don’t pretend that it is

[@rogeriopenna9014]

​@@ha04Rryits not the same as any ⚽ cried

[@Iamrealhonest]

I mostly agree, but I think it's funny how much the hooliganism in US city centres after big wins in various sports is seemingly glossed over in the "football has a fan violence problem" debate. Crowd violence is an issue wherever there are passions and too much alcohol. Although I can't remember a riot at a Rugby Union match, and they are played in a cloud of alcohol vapours. 😂

[@nathanallan4161]

Don't understand why people have just equated one event to 'country is unable to host major events'. It's happened at Wembley, and Stade de France in recent times. No calls for them to stop hosting events. The key factor is learning from them and taking steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5s]

In non of those did the family of the actual players were in danger , your country should be banned from every sporting event on first principle

[@Deeznutz29828]

​@@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5sYou want Biden to give an apology or something? The country literally had no control. It wasn't even US fans doing all that.

[@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5s]

@@Deeznutz29828 i am not particularly interested in this particular event , the US is evil personified and unleashed on the rest of humanity, it should be boycotted in every sporting event by all other nations .

[@jacobsimms2736]

@@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5sI’m glad you just watched a video and saw that organizers weren’t even the US with evidence of how the US already has more stringent plans for the World Cup before that game even happened and ignored all of it. Good listening skills

[@danm2756]

​@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5s USA has hosted large events including the WC successfully. The difference is conmebol was in charge this time. Also, don't take young kids to Latin American games, I have mexican parents and they would take me to MLS games at 5 years old but never went to see an mX or south American game until I was at least 16 because of how unruly it gets. Just common sense.

[@vreeze33]

In the Netherlands, teams actually do get banned from bringing fans for a few matches if their fans act particularly idiotic if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if that's a standard thing around the world.

[@nunocastro8602]

Precisely. The Ajax ultra’s got banned for the game vs Vitesse, which was our biggest win of the season

[@anthonyduffy6953]

Ive heard of that happen in a few countries/clubs in the past. I think roma and napoli had a ban for all fams for 2 months not so long ago

[@rogeriopenna9014]

It happens in Brazil a lot. Including for racism.

[@samuelgordino]

England clubs were banned from the UEFA competition for 10 years .

[@Victor_Gabriele]

In Brazil it happened an event 10 years ago, when during the national cup the fans of one team from the south region, a region that has a particular historic of racism, was calling the goalkeeper of the opposite team "monkey", that's the most common racist slur in portuguese and spanish. One of these fans was filmed clearly saying this. The team got instantly disqualified from the tournament. Imagine this on USA/Spain anything like this, like, the whole league would be disqualified '-'

[@mtbman2479]

Security budget money probably ended up in someone's pocket...

[@rogeriopenna9014]

In the 2022 CL final too?

[@Luis-kv8zc]

You think this is new for Copa America? As a Latino, I cannot describe to you how deranged and malicious other Latinos can be. Brazil was barely fit to host their WC, and most other countries would struggle to host a Copa. Corruption and lack of caring is an expectation for CONMEBOL.

[@liverbot4854]

@@rogeriopenna9014 2022 was a case of the police taking their job too seriously. 😂

[@rogeriopenna9014]

@@Luis-kv8zc Latino? You are Roman? Or do you mean Latin AMERICAN?

[@Luis-kv8zc]

@@rogeriopenna9014 are you actually just stupid? 😭

[@thepineman3294]

Numbsculls online blaming "Americans, the USSF, and the US" for a poor tournament are morons. The US literally hosted one of the most highly rated World Cups in 94'. COMNEBOL caused EVERY Issue at the tournament the ticket prices, security, pitch quality, but the US gets blamed. Literally early this past season in SA-WC Qualifer was a bloody brawl in Rio when Argentina faced Brazil. COMNEBOL has a record of shithousery in their tournaments.

[@Bowleskov]

Being very honest I think a huge amount of Naivety played it's part in these events and chances are decision makers weren't plugged in to how huge Argentina playing Columbia in Miami was likely to be. I imagine even Conmebol underestimated the demand from this diaspora, and for all team sports played in the US it is not Messi, it is not international where sometimes twisted patriotism takes hold. For those fans this was a once in a lifetime event on their doorstep and something like this will happen when tickets are scarce or unaffordable, for the Wembley Incident Corporate hospitality tickets were a quite a big proportion of that event as we were coming out of Lockdowns and England made that final. Police and Stewards were rusty and missed the desperation of people to be part of that evening. I wonder if Conmebol were guilty of not anticipating this or leaving it so late the local police couldn't shift resources. Either way the FIFA Worldcup Final is huge regardless of who makes the final and I would guess FIFA, the Stadium, New Jersey and local police already know what resources that want in place.

[@nicklikethesoup]

Well given who at CONMEBOL was arrested for fighting with security for being drunk, I don’t think they cared.

[@yungflav193]

Brother its 2 Latin countries playing in state with a big Latin population and I find it extremely hard to believe they didnt know this

[@Goldmannn]

POP OFF RAAHHHH 🦅

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

"i hate usa" bias in full effect.

[@guguy00]

I mean Troll Football's main 'gag' is "i hate usa" gatekeeping in a nutshell Edit: Made it sound less like I find troll football's main 'gag' funny

[@tommoore9333]

US and Uk,the low hanging fruit of the internet

[@Malam_NightYoru]

I hate USA im brazilian

[@Brad19414]

So after the dust has settled. Having witnessed 3 major tournaments this season. Afcon was clearly the best tournament on all fronts.

[@alexespinosa497]

It kinda got to me too.. but you explained it perfectly.. a football culture craving for relevance gets shit on for something we actually do well (hosting amazing events).

[@NateMegOfficial]

Many forgetting Miami literally held F1 at hard rock stadium no more than 8 weeks before this. But whatever it takes to stick it to the USA.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

The US has about 140 stadiums that host 40,000 people or more (FIFA/UEFA’s requirement for big matches). Almost *250* 20,000 seaters and constantly building more. England has 13. Germany has 16. France has 7. We absolutely do major events routinely here.

[@JoshuaDStewart]

The criticism the US does deserve for this tournament is for the pitch conditions. Nearly every team complained about almost every pitch, and it was visibly terrible watching on TV. A lot more effort needs to be put into installing high quality pitches for 2026 and not second-hand, last-minute afterthoughts.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

Almost like those stadiums are built for an entirely different sport which they do extremely well and have no reason to change to a surface good for soccer. If CONMEBOL wanted better surfaces they could have opened their wallets and paid for better surfaces instead of expecting NFL stadiums to be built around an entirely different sport.

[@hockeybuzz555]

The 2026 World Cup team was picked by FIFA years ago and includes researchers from the University of Tennessee Institute of Agriculture and Michigan State. Many people leading the project worked on the 1994 World Cup including the current head of the 2026 team Dr. John Sorochan and head of the 1994 World Cup team Dr. John Stier. The University of Tennessee has worked on over 75 FIFA funded research projects regarding the 2026 World Cup since 2021. Not to mention the decades of experience the people leading the project have. The project includes a total of 120 new fields when each nation's home base field, practice fields, and extra fields are taken into account. The dome stadium fields will be mostly 2 to 2 ½ inches deep of sod grown on plastic (think like a net more than a plastic sheet) which provides a very durable playing surface with a lot of lateral growth and tensile strength that is resistant to tearing. . UT has worked on over 75 FIFA funded research projects regarding the 2026 World Cup since 2021. Not to mention the decades of experience the people leading the project have. two and a half inch deep installations of grass An interesting note, because FIFA requires consistency across playing surfaces, the team is removing the Kikuyu grass from Azteca Stadium in Mexico City and replacing it with probably some combination of bluegrass and ryegrass since the climate is fairly cool. Kikuyu grass tends to have a bit more of a bounce compared to other types of grass.

[@thepowerofsand6180]

​@@hockeybuzz555I'm not reading all that

[@IonicThree]

@@thepowerofsand6180 Sucks that your laziness kept you from learning something interesting about the topic

[@Kevinnn111]

Really just seems like everyone is pointing blame at each other. But you can’t blame people for going after the hosts. When the 2022 champions league final debacle in Paris happened, people rightfully blamed the French police for not handling the situation. Same should go for American police. Think UEFA even has Paris banned from hosting important games. The previous times they hosted didn’t really matter. Plus, CONMEBOL can point to the countless times they had tournaments that went smoothly. On top of that, it also hasn’t been a good week at all for American security in general Of course the US can host a World Cup, but when issues pop up in a previous tournament and nothing is done to prevent it from happening again, it’s asking for something bad to happen

[@Robert.Harg.]

This is the comment. This is the correct arguements without being aggressive

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

Conmebol cannot point to sheet.

[@jackpastor7147]

@Kevinnn111 while I agree with you with police part in which they overreacted. I just want to say this has been a problem in the past at conmenbol tournaments. There have been issues. My peoblem is that conmenbol hired the cheapest securuty they can get and then when there were issues ran away from the problem. For me, at least it gets frustrating cause there have been a bunch of bathling choices that they have made during the tournament. The nfl security, while expensive as shit to hire, is great at keeping security. But they actively decided not to do it and hired the minimum amount of security for the venue, and these were consequences. While the us isn't perfect the issues I have is that these people impose the issues that the us has which is valid but then turn the other way when they speak about Qatar world cup and Russia world cup. They say stuff well it their culture and shit like that, which excuses the stuff that these countries have done. Being an American football/soccer fan js already an uphill battle with the rest of the world, but when people unfairly attribute the issues the Copa America had with America I think people are quite defensive about jt.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

The president of the Colombian federation was literally arrested for punching a cop at this event. Yeah nope Conmebol (specifically Colombia) is to blame here

[@jackpastor7147]

@kalmenbarkin5708 I think it was the son of the president

[@devilskeeper007]

Zealand fell off again, this time no podcast plug for the podcast with Julian Gressel

[@BloodRider1914]

My biggest complaint about the US hosting events (as an American) is our outrageous ticket prices. Obviously at some level at fault due to our large population, but we love those high sports prices

[@reverendroar]

This sounds like you’re passing the buck. The US Federation and CONMEBOL should have worked together on security and fan security. This doesn’t mean you don’t deserve to host it or you’re not fit enough to but this doesn’t help the US football reputation and the US’s image on public and fan security. Maybe the taxpayer should have paid for security? Also - on the whole ‘it’s easy to shit on the USA’ - well welcome to my world as an England Fan. Everyone hates us. I love everyone else. My family’s heritage is Irish, my girlfriend is British Syrian but I’ll still get abuse online and in person for being an ‘English bigot’ and stereotype us as posh tea drinkers or Stella drinking hooligans. My country has problems and I know that but we don’t deserve the hate speech, shitty memes and abuse whenever we lose a match from the rest of the world when true England fans like me just want to support my team win or lose like anyone else in this world. The 2028 euros in the U.K. - and I’m excited. I hope it will be amazing and I hope it lives up to the hype - like I hope the same with USA World Cup in two years. But Zealand - don’t treat others (like England) with disrespect like you did in your two England videos and then be a hypocrite and turn the USA into victims whenever they’re blamed. Maybe be nicer to others and others will treat you the same way…

[@0svvan0]

i mean, we do suck, but people are forgetting this was FLORIDA

[@jman1276]

Crazy how people think the country with multiple stadiums with capacities that make the Bernabèu look like the Etihad suddenly think they can't host major events.

[@olddohko9037]

Yeah your security lately seems on spot, keep it up.

[@Jlavi25]

It’s so funny to me, like what do these people think these stadiums are used for outside of their soccer tournaments? They legit do not understand how many events we hold WEEKLY

[@JEndless2025]

All I know is that the US hosts pretty big Football friendlies on a regular basis that somehow don't turn into chaos. That's not the same as a Copa America or a World Cup, but still they are large well organized Football events in the USA. Last year's AC Milan Vs Real Madrid match at the Rose Bowl had a crowd of over 70K fans and a nice looking pitch to play on. It's not like America is totally new to the sport and if you throw enough money at it, you can solve any logistics issues in America.

[@lkrnpk]

It’s just US bashing, plain and simple… unfortunately.

[@Theoriginaljrey]

The pitches were still shite

[@kelicon]

Funniest part of all their rage is that, as reluctant as the anti-American community hate to admit it, the US is arguably the most well equipped nation to handle major tournaments like this.

[@__dane__]

You’ve titled every video some version of this title for the last two months

[@loneymoontommy1336]

Loves Trolls Football especially when they post racist and war jokes when there's a chance. I want to know who's behind the account.

[@AreEnTee]

Balkan dude

[@jjjamelo]

an indian

[@olddohko9037]

Segurola y Habana, te espero cuando quieras disparos unidos.

[@rumblebird9888]

Your mom

[@seanmurray7983]

no one has ever wanted to see a Dolphins game that bad. People were going Shawshank Redemption/Die Hard crawling thru the ventilation system. CONMEBOL is a joke organization

[@gugga2745]

England fans complaining about a little bit a breaking and entering into a stadium as if they didn’t spend a century with constantly collapsing stadiums and 50-100 casualties PER GAME at Anfield

[@vrzM8]

50-100 casualties per game wtf did you get that from? 💀

[@gugga2745]

@@vrzM8 casualties doesnt mean deaths casualties means injuries in an accident. i got it from an Athletic article talking abt the English football ban from Europe in the late 80s that led to the Premier League

[@useyowords9745]

Aren’t they getting the next euros after the debacle of the 2021 final?

[@adrianhadasz]

I usually like your takes and I also basically agree with your position here - but you're ignoring one, crucial fact for me here. US *allowed* CONMEBOL to do whatever it pleases on your soil in regards to organising this torunament, and given the track record of this organisation you should probably drive a little more of a hard bargaing when negotiating with them the specifics of how to tackle things like security. It isn't a shock that this happened during Copa America but it is kind of a shock that it happened in the US, a country that in two years will organise the biggest sporting event in the world. If it all ultimately happens in United States then its VERY natural that the United States will be blamed if something goes wrong. US should have given an ultimatum about the specifics regarding organising this Copa America and if CONMEBOL wouldn't agree, then let them organise it elsewhere. Giving them free reign is kind of mental when you know they had countless problems in the past. Fans from around the world have the right to be worried when they see videos of people climbing into the ventilation system of the stadium with no security in sight to watch a match. From what I gathered it all didn't end up in any causalties - thank god - but what if it did? What if someone was trampled or even stuck in this ventilation system and got seriously injured or worse? Would it also not stain US's reputation in your eyes because it wasn't technically in charge of security? Agreeing to host a torunament means you accept certain responsibilities.

[@MrReese]

I don't understand why CONMEBOL did not just employ the respective security operators to do their stuff they do for all the other sports games that are hosted at those venues? They know what to do, just let them do it and it's fine. Or were they being cheap?

[@VanTuylAjax]

Yeah, because when I think of law and order, South America comes to mind.....said no one ever!

[@razielbeoulve819]

There are articles showing that Conmebol sold more tickets than the capacity of the stadium, so is understandable the reaction from the fans that with a valid ticket they were not allowed to come in

[@DrLoveSlave]

2:00 the thing you said about banning a team to host matches because of crowd, fans/ultras/hooligans problems does actually happen in Europe. The way it does is, depends od the competition, UEFA and/or local national football associations fine clubs or national teams with cash and playing one or more next matches behind closed doors or/and on neutral ground. Sometimes, but rarely, matches get suspended and points given to the team playing against the team whose fans did some rioting, breaking, burning, invading the pitch etc. But I got your point, I don't see a reason to cancel the world cup or some stupid thing like that. Great channel btw., respect!

[@GodfatherBoxSet]

This is jist what south america and CONMEBOL do. There is incredibly bad fan violence in south america and FIFA had to take the Copa Liberiatordes final away from Argentina and move it to Madrid to ensure saftey for the players. The US hosts events bigger than this every week from August - February. To say we cant handle the WC is dumb. We have never had fan crushes, mass break in like this, large crowd fights like this before. We pack 100k+ drunk fans into stadium and nothing bad happens. Maybe its becuase we are just a bit more civilized and understand how to act at major events

[@maticasa5292]

Estas mintiendo, en sudamerica que entren gente sin tickets en masa no pasa nunca porque te lo piden cuadras antes de llegar al estadio, y el incidente que estas nombrando es algo que paso de camino al estadio a varios metros del este, y la razon que se movio a españa es porque pusieron mucho dinero para que se juegue, estaba todo dado para que se juegue al siguiente dia

[@HappySisyphus0]

You are talking about the biggest rivalry in the history of the sport there, and of course nothing happen with your fans because they are passionated about anything

[@not2sharpmd]

The fields still need to be majorly overhauled though. It’s not that hard to make the playing surface safe. It just takes time and money, which these NFL owners have plenty of, but they refuse to invest in it.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

The surfaces are fine for American football so NFL teams have absolutely no reason to change them. The expectation that NFL teams should make their lives harder so CONMEBOL’s life is easier seems rather odd. If CONMEBOL/FIFA doesn’t like the surfaces they should invest to change them (FIFA is - CONMEBOl didn’t because they’re a bunch of greedy assholes)

[@not2sharpmd]

@@kalmenbarkin5708 actually, NFL players hate the surfaces they play on and would much prefer to play on a well-maintained natural grass field. The fields have been an issue in the NFL for a while, causing a lot of non-contact leg injuries.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

@@not2sharpmd Thing is they don’t contribute to a significant number of non contact leg injuries. They’ve studied this extensively for years. It might make a very slight difference in knee injuries (no difference for ankle or leg injuries) but even that’s negligible. Sure some guys *like* grass better but it doesn’t impact the quality of the game at all. And most of them don’t care or it would be a negotiation point in the CBA. And depending on the Turf type it can be significantly better under some weather conditions (good turf drains much better than grass) For soccer it matters a lot because how the ball rolls on the ground is one of the most important aspects of any given game.

[@fitzek22]

The only thing that is actually concerning is the quality and state of the pitch, you could see the ball woble a lot and almost every player talked about the bad quality of the field/pitch

[@JMThought]

I agree with a lot of the sentiment but I do wonder if the USA, as a country not the soccer federation, should have stepped in knowing it was chaos.

[@theboss-ke4is]

South American and chaos are unseparated lol this is normal for those people

[@Jorge-ml4ln]

Quoting CONMEBOL: "As is known, in the final played in Miami, fans without tickets went to the vicinity of the stadium, which delayed the normal access of the people who did have them, which slowed down entry and led to the closure of doors. Given this situation, CONMEBOL was subject to the decisions made by the Hard Rock Stadium authorities, in accordance with the contractual responsibilities established for the security operation. In addition to the provisions determined in said contract, CONMEBOL recommended to said authorities the procedures tested in events of this magnitude, which were NOT taken into account."

[@Faenzi01]

I understand your point Z, but for the Qatari world cup you were every other game mentioning the location of the world cup and the problems of the qatari government and we did a fundraiser for Amnesty International to balance the issues, but where was this energy for this tournament in the US or the world cup? And to say no one wanted to host the WC is very disingenuous when Uruguay and Saudi Arabia were begging to host the tournament and many other countries

[@Kagnar]

This all feels like a big pile of recency bias

[@basitsnake]

did CONMEBOL train the assigned police force as well? glossing over the cops just because america regularly partakes in sportsball is kinda odd ngl. like yeah CONMEBOL are piss poor at organising their own shit but the cops are just as much to blame. Also, if CONMEBOL and the USSF dont get along, WHY IS THE USSF HOSTING THIS? oh right, $$$. Love you Z, but nobody punches down on the good ol' USA for "internet points"

[@FlatDerrick]

How many American cities actually meet FIFA requirements for public transport networks?

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

FITA doesn’t have specific public transport requirements. You need to get an event specific plan approved and that very often involves temporary busses.

[@jamesp5974]

Being rattled sometimes is completely normal. Those comments rattled you because you love America in spite of all of our problems. You realize this country has many things wrong with it and many stupid people, but you also realize that this is your home. You were born here, you were raised here, and even now as an adult you travel the world yet you always come back home to the US and you feel some sort of pride in this country deep down in spite of all the issues we face. It also feels disingenuous as a lot of the people who have been criticizing the US in this scenario either 1. Are not from this country and have never been and are not knowledgeable about what they are demeaning or 2. Immigrants who have moved here for a better life that this country is able to provide for them. This is no knock on immigrants or others outside of the country, but just as you took the precaution to hesitate to speak of Turkish politics in your recent videos discussing their whole situation, it is annoying to see others not take that same precaution and just denounce the US because it games them Internet points. At the end of the day, even with all of the many problems you face and everyday Americans realize things need to get better, many of us also realize that there are not many places on this planet that people would rather live. TLDR: Cane’s Box Combo sub slaw for extra toast

[@stevec5034]

My main issue with the US holding the tournament is they do not have a great football culture and are too large a country to create a great atmosphere throughout the tournament (not to mention it is split with them and 2 other large countries). After being in Germany, I cant get away from how ideal a place that was to hold a tournament with the right footballing culture and size to hold a tournament, not to mention no bribes made either (cough cough Qatar)

[@PogChampion45]

big misconceptions i feel is that most or some of this is to ‘score internet points’ as you put it, and yeah in a football context the us is an easy punching bag - but this was mostly a display of pure genuine hate to somewhere which is (at least feels like to them, if not you) damaging peoples love for the sport through increasing commercialisation - massive ticket prices, trying to get premier league games played stateside, and also just taking away the game they love by hosting copa america (a tournament which they have no reason to be playing in anyway they have the gold cup, same applies to other concacaf teams) and hosting the world cup. I do completely agree that countries shouldn’t be barred from hosting just bc football isn’t their primary sport, but the united states must realise that this in combination with all else is not at all a good look - and it frankly looks like a further way of extracting money from football fans rather than an attempt to grow the game there. particularly when such simple fixes to grow the game more fundamentally there like removing pay to play and fixing the god awful league system in mls (hope any americans who actually read this appreciate me not saying ‘the’ mls) are changes which would improve the sport in the states so much more than hosting a world cup are light years away from being made, yet all the ways to ‘grow’ the game which they can profit off of are being used tenfold. and also bc i couldn’t find anywhere to put it, whilst yes they will be similar in metrics such as crowd numbers and things most major american sporting events aren’t even close to cross continental sporting events. i mean genuinely do you expect people to believe the tampa bay buccaneers and whomever else have a greater rivalry and more tension than nations from the balkans or latam? like that suggestion is genuinely laughable

[@FieldMedic4077]

I really am growing tired of football fans hating on America. The idea that any country isn't a "football country" is gatekeeping in the extreme and needs to stop.

[@eldinovm8077]

Zealand you’re right but there’s a giant purple elephant in the room and that is ticket prices, if you try to charge people over 200$ for a football ticket then it’s not going to work

[@anardi7112]

they'll fill the stadiums at $200. I hate how The Regular Fan is getting cut out of elite sport economically, but $200/per isn't the problem here.

[@eldinovm8077]

@@anardi7112 yes that’s why I said over 200$ 200$ should get you good seats not the best but good seats, avg tickets should cost between 60-150$ max but copa América tickets were north of 500$ I even saw 5000$ for the final, what kind of bs is that.

[@HonourGuardian]

Zealand makes a very good point, the US has a track record of organising safe national and international sporting events (I can't comment on music and political events to be honest) - however it is plainly clear that CONEBOL can't organise a damn thing. Furthermore its also plainly clear that latin america (specifically south america) cannot organise safe events - we have seen many examples that local rivals in South America regularly need riot police, specific special security measures etc - it reminds me of England football hooliganism in the 80s. Don't blame the US - blame the fans that cause issues, blame the organisation structure (or lack thereof) - mark my words - watch the World Cup go off without any issues

[@menno568]

Maybe focus on the fact that the grass was really bad and the weird half-time show which has no use in a footballmatch? The main reason why most europeans dont want the USA to host the world cup is because it will be too flashy with weird things like a half-time show. The USA tried to introduce bigger goals and breaks after every quarter to appease advertisers the last time you guys hosted a world cup, and FIFA being greedy will eventually cave to all the money which will then result in changes in matchformats nobody wanted in the first place. That is the real reason why the rest of the world doesn’t want the WC to be held in de USA

[@carverbrauchle891]

What's wrong with a halftime show? A tiny concert during a natural break in the game is fine.

[@ThaGamingMisfit]

I think a lot of the hate comes from 500$ prices for a random Copa America match ticket. It's logical that it's hard to call this Copa America great when every single fan is being ripped off by the infamous corporate American greed.

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

The tournament is being hosted by CONMEBOL. They decide the prices.

[@ThaGamingMisfit]

@@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd I don't think that's the case. When it was hosted in a CONMEBOL nation, prices were drastically lower.

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

@@ThaGamingMisfit it is because conmebol takes less from poorer countries. Poorer people pay less, why is this hard to understand. What is this brainrot reasoning?

[@gaoaibai6243]

10:00 that sounds so wrong and really ridculous imho. I mean isnt the Saudis literally BEGGING to host the World Cup? Same for Brazil and the South American countries. The only ones not interested in bidding for the World is prolly Japan and the SEA countries (no China will NEVER get a world cup no chances) that is why there was a huge ass bid to literally get sympathy votes by including fkin Ukraine literally just a year ago. EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOM (except Japan and SEA) wants to host the World Cup dude. Literally South America was BEGGING for it but fell short because the Saudi "donated" millions to FIFA so what you are saying there is not only absurd but sounds... really stupid as well.

[@tigeryo8943]

tbf if Japan or SEA host a WC in July-August the climate is probably tougher to play in than even Saudi

[@kylejohansen689]

Weren't some Brazilian people rioting before the '14 World Cup because of the negative financial impact it had? Building massive stadiums for a few games and then weren't used after?

[@stevedaytona]

Number of accepted bids for recently awarded World Cups: 2026: 2 2030: 2 2034: 1 However, worth noting that it is FIFA's own policies that prevent more bids - in particular the bizarre nature of the 2030 world cup (3 continents) meant only Asia or Oceania bids were invited. Expanding the World Cup to 48 teams means only countries with absurd amounts of money (i.e. Saudi Arabia) can do it on their own.

[@adereynolds]

Crazy how quicky people forget the 2021 Euros final. That was a mess. Guess wembley should host things anymore.

[@lindiatle-]

The fact that they didn't have separate gates for each side as is normal in Europe was kinda wild.

[@IstokIhtijarevic]

I actualy got into a miami heat game without a ticket, just walked very slowly by the ticket guy 😂

[@kakaisclass]

Euro 2020 final was a stadium invasion, also the champions league final where Liverpool fans went mad as well

[@wesleylang172]

Wtf are you talking about. The French authorities organized an omnishambles and lied about who was to blame. Educate yourself before talking shit.

[@Brunix7000]

all those US events are mainly national or local, whilst a world cup is mainly international. it introduces an element of randomness that has to be factores in, like the other night

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

Good thing we’ve hosted a Men’s World Cup a women’s World Cup the Olympics *8* times (4 summer and 4 winter) the Copa in 2016 the world baseball classic major F1 events the cricket World Cup the biggest events in tennis and golf every year 3/6 world major marathons FIBA World Cup. Practically every sport in the world men’s and women’s has had its largest global event hosted in the US. The ones that haven’t yet (eg Rugby) are lining up trying to have that opportunity now. And for most of them their most attended one ever was when they held it in the US. We are very very good at hosting big events.

[@Brunix7000]

@@kalmenbarkin5708 yes you are

[@grimeydave8561]

Went to the Columbia v Panama game and it was fine, I mean there was a little scuffle lol but the crowd really kept everyone in check hope to attend a wc game in 2026

[@jackpastor7147]

@grimeydave8561 seen fights in Europe a couple times. I think I see it more in the us though. I went to a lot of college football last year the amount of fights in the student section was almost comedic.

[@kieronparr3403]

Why was this tournament played on u14 sized pitches? We have standard pitch sizes for a reason

[@jackpastor7147]

@kieronparr3403 they were the standard pitch size. Yes it was squeezed in but they were the standard length. Don't know where you thought they weren't the standard length.

[@georgedickinson8553]

If anything this will only ensure that the world cup will be organized to the max as the US won't want the bad reputation as well as the saftey issues that could arise. I only see security and protocal being doubled down. Like after the Wembley problems the next games played there had max security and a no nonsense approach to any misbehaviour.

[@Sigurd-r5]

England and the UK like the US are pretty much disliked worldwide too. The US can easily run a decent world cup tournament, obviously. Dude! But, isn't there a problem with the number of full size pitches in USA? It was mentioned during Copa .

[@IonicThree]

They are remodeling the stadiums for the World Cup. They will be normal FIFA regulated size for a World Cup and will have new grass that University of Tennessee is spearheading. The stadiums pitches/size and security will be just fine for the World Cup.

[@liviumarila5200]

When you have an outsider organizing events at your home, you should have a certain standard, a certain plan for what that organizer must respect and you should reject their organizing if they fail to present a plan that you're happy with, especially given COMNEBOL's reputation and professionalism.

[@GravelordWrust]

I dunno - considering it's the South American fans that have continuously brought this tournament into the spotlight in a negative way, maybe they should take the blame for all of this?

[@jackpastor7147]

The biggest disgrace of this tournament is the utter cash grab this tournament/lack of control that has soured the tournament since the start.

[@eren9001]

Ajax is a club and not hosting a international tournament

[@rhh3828]

This was CONMEBOLs fault. Hard rock has hosted super bowls and F1 events that had much bigger crowds but in this game they had to leave it to CONMEBOL. The stadiums are at fault for the pitches being horrible turf (which is supposed to be changed out for grass for the World Cup)

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

Dont blame you man, cold hard lies to ones face should bother everyone, no just you. .

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Lets not forget the Dutch vs English hooligan fight in the Eurocup... This problem of Copa America (and Champion League Final in 2022 in Paris) won´t happen in FIFA World Cup. Because the World Cup establishes an EXCLUSION zone of almost 1km around the stadiums. Which FIFA controls. Fans can´t enter that HUGE exclusion zone without tickets. So there is no agglomeration around the stadium. At the same time it works, it's the source of many countries when signing for the FIFA World Cup. Because FIFA basically becomes like kings of parts of major cities. Pros and cons, right? The way to avoid the Copa America final problem would be to establish an exclusion zone ruled over by CONMEBOL together with Miami... that wouldn´t happen.

[@bogomildimov6360]

Zealand having a meltdown over international tournaments is still my favourite KZbin Genre.

[@johnscasa7603]

If you think security checkpoints at US stadiums are insane, try going to a cricket match in India. Had to go through five different security checks just to get into the stadium

[@serenegrace2515]

As a latin, I can confirm that CONMEBOL absolutely sucks. It's responsibility is undeniable and I really hope WC 2026 plays out differently

[@valdas420]

world cup in 94 was a great world cup

[@josejarillo462]

I'm my humble opinion USA is more than capable to host the World Cup in 2026, I think the main problem is CONMEBOL as an organization, theres allways trouble with Copa America does not matter where is played. My true fear is for the infrastructure beacuse I believe mini camps is in the same dates as the World Cup and I dont know how many training fields will be available and with more teams attending in 2026 I dont know how will it go, but at least there is time to work on it.

[@SuperJNG18]

“Yeah, we could hardly STAND to hear about a tournament being held in the USA! Why can’t they be organized and uncontroversial like, say, Russia? Or Qatar? Saudi Arabia, maybe?” Ffs…

[@takuosayi9232]

I’m English and love basketball and American football. If you love a sport you love a sport

[@Ocean_Native]

Who’s your American football team mate? 🏈

[@takuosayi9232]

@@Ocean_Native New England I got very lucky I just picked them cus the England part lol wbu

[@KalenAlmeida]

@@takuosayi9232 I hope you didnt just become a Pats fan recently 🥲dark times rn

[@BiHMaverick]

Z, how much were the tickets for the Euro Games you attended? They probably where 5x cheaper than what they were here in Copa, (comparing QT finals game prices). CONMEBOL min maxed this Copa like crazy.

[@jackpastor7147]

@BiHMaverick you would be surprised how expensive the tickets were for the euros. While I think the tickets were cheaper. I remember someone on Twitter paying like couple hundred for one of knockout games.

[@Createk]

bro actually responding to troll twitter accounts

[@cass2239]

It takes minimal critical thinking to realise that this was CONMEBOL's fault and not the US.

[@franciscolobato1520]

America Raaaahhhh 🦅

[@stefchemacrae5540]

Should the USA be hosting Copa America in the first place? On the one hand, I do not think it would be fair for conmebol to invite the USA and other concacaf teams to play in tournament semi-regularly whilst also banning them from ever having the opportunity to host. If the tournament as a whole benefits from the participation and attention brought by the participation of big North American teams, it would seem unfair to deny North American fans the chance to participate locally. On the other hand though, clearly Copa America as a whole is meant to focus on conmebol nations and I would be interested to understand what the average South American fan thinks of NA participation particularly if that means the tournament is sometimes hosted outside. To be clear, I don’t have a side in this, I am genuinely interested in what the people involved and affected think

[@legaldinho]

ROCK, FLAG AND EAGLE!!!

[@theaquariancontrarian3316]

One thing for sure south America will not host a world cup for a very loooong time and ill be surprised theyll allow a south American team to win for a long time too.

[@lewisyoung3074]

Now.. I am fully aware that CONMEBOL is absolutely useless at this stuff. But to say the US is completely not at fault is very naive. Both have to take criticism. With every sporting event, the event organisers liaise with local authority to ensure safety concerns are met. The local police for any of the areas that these matches were in could have put more officers or blockades or whatever was needed to be done, and CONMEBOL could not have done a thing about it. I agree that too many people are jumping on the "not a football country, can't host a tournament" which is incorrect and stupid. But to say the US as a whole is not to blame for any of this is very naive. If either wasn't after a cash grab, then none of this would have happened at all.. But we love you, Z, irrelevant

[@Duncansigurdsson]

Not sure where gun ownership comes into it, but the rest makes sense.

[@aranchuica965]

To play devil’s advocate, why has this never happened in other Copa Americas when hosted outside of the US? I’ve followed the tournament for multiple iterations now and while there’s always been “issues,” nothing like this has ever happened, never mind all the other fan issues in the other stadiums, the fields not being in good condition, poor training facilities, inconsistent refereeing, etc. do conmebol and ussf really hate each other that much that there seems to have been 0 communication or cross communication when planning this event?

[@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd]

It happened every time.

[@lkrnpk]

It has happened, just nobody cares there, in USA people are shocked because something like this never happens there

[@vnXun]

Someone explain to me how "not a football country" is equivalent to "cannot host a worldwide event"?

[@vinnydiaz6959]

Doesn’t happen in any other sport. It’s the fans from all these “countries”

[@hoihoi726]

Allways love ajaxites getting called out

[@dopeyramone]

Don't feed the trolls. European Lad in particular is rage baiting because he just got cheated on and he's emotional 🤣

[@danieldelreal9658]

C’mon Zealand the reason Ajax tore down their stadium was the great SANTIAGO GIMÉNEZ 🇲🇽

[@WoodzSix]

❤❤❤❤

[@TheMrInfantaria]

I am pretty sure one or both those accounts are run by Portuguese dudes

[@HailtheTale]

This is sad to see people say that about the US. The US is the most capable country in the world to host any sporting event. Look at the attendance numbers for American Football alone.

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

American college football is where it’s truly impressive. There’s 144 FBS teams and they average well north of 40,000 fans per game. There’s much more teams per capita than say the premier league and they still beat them in attendance numbers.

[@marcosbremermann870]

5:21 Mf'er really is comparing the aggressiveness, passion and how heated a South American football clash is to a Taylor Swift concert 😭😭 I ain't seeing no more of this shit. Sorry Zealand you might be one of the best KZbinrs when it comes to analyzing footy in Europa and N.America but you've been really talking out of your ass all tournament about the Copa America since day one (Brazilians never cared about the Copa America, sometimes even sending alternative squads. Where did you even get that they wanted it more than anyone to predict them as winner??). Please just stick to European Football and never do any kind of analysis about Conmebol again. Only thing I'm going to say is that, there's a reason why there's never ever been this kind of chaos in a Copa América when It was hosted in South America. Not in 2019, 2015, 2011 or hell, even Venezuela 2007.

[@Empowerhealthandwellness]

Americans are good at planning American sporting events, the Super Bowl is just 90,000 insanely rich people, South American/ European soccer fans are not the Rolex and sweater vest wearing crowd that shows up for most large sporting events in the USA. American capitalism causes prices any average fan out of every single large sporting event. Also the pitches in the USA are absolute shit so just because they exist doesn’t mean they are good quality 🤷‍♀️

[@jackpastor7147]

@austinwalker1050 I think the worse pitch I saw this summer was in the euros. Frankfurt was an absolutely terrible. While I agree that prices of the tickets are absurd. It an issue with pretty much all finals. Euro finals tickets were insanely expensive champions league tickets are insanely expensive. But the issue isn't a supply one it's a demand one while the ticket were overpriced I am not going to disagree to you with that I don't think the ticket price was the issue for the event. It was the demand for the ticket was damn high. Even if they lowered it there such a high demand to this game that there would have been an issue. It was a supply issue to me atleast. Also the does host other sporting events that are larger than final. College football routinely draws crowds of 80000 and if you have been to a game it isn't an easy crowd to control and they do a pretty good job of it. It isn't perfect but it rarely ever gets to this stage. Also euro 2020 exist and champions league final 2022 had same issues. But we don't see calls for those countries to not host big games.

[@ayooo9770]

Europeans try not to complain about everyone else while ignoring their own similar problems challenge: impossible

[@gutokaberdock]

Yeah, a lot of people from South/Central America that hate USA and have their reason, cof cof condor operation cof cof, but Conmebol is a awful institution. The south american football could be greater than it is today and much more profitable but conmebol, and other federations like CBF, is so corrupt that the football is dyiing here. PS.: About the hate, you and probably the majoraty of the USA population are good people, it's just a historical wound that probably will never heal and I don't want that this comment looks like an criticism, just pointing the reasons of why the hate exists.

[@RwandaBob]

every single side of my family going back has been in the americas since before 1700, so it’s different. the majority of americans nowadays’ family has only been here since after 1900. i believe in an “american” ethnicity for those of us who have deep roots here that separates us from other hyphenated americans whose ancestors only came recently. my teams are france and spain and wales. as well as the usa since we’re actually trying now. and i detest this idea that we’re all a nation of immigrants because my ancestors came over here and helped to forge this nation into what it would become, rather than those who have come later and benefit off of that work.

[@PaoloReaper]

I love you