I Play The Characters That I Think Are Fun, Therefore I Have Fun

streamed Dec. 13-14, 2021
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[@spoopaconhojitas3829]

Oh, sure, everyone is all about having fun until the Grappler wants to have fun

[@danielwitt1793]

Straight spitting

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

Yup cuz fuck em that’s why lol

[@baronvonfaust]

Rules are rules

[@sighyawn6378]

the forbidden fun

[@demeyesoftheuniverse8170]

THIS ALL OF THIS

[@madchal]

I miss the old Sajam The low tier Sajam The nightwing Sajam I hate the new Sajam The Badguy Sajam The always rude Sajam

[@meursault223]

"Fun things are fun." - Sajam

[@mobbuscappus]

wasn't expecting a yui-ism in sajam comments, but hell yeah

[@silencos5974]

The AUDACITY

[@bguy6778]

We love Yui here

[@BloodSportA2]

Some people bring in the "what's my KD ratio" mindset to FGs, but for me I can only stay invested in a fighter if I'm playing a character I'm actually motivated to learn or naturally groove with. If you play some meta character you don't really care about just to avoid losing as much as possible, those inevitable losses are just gonna be that much saltier.

[@ezraho8449]

I like to think of my losses as a badge of honor. I’ve lost this many games but I stuck with it and now I’m better.

[@BloodSportA2]

@@ezraho8449 I mean, if there’s a genre that should get you to appreciate the little victories, it’s fighting games. Won’t say I’m ever glad to lose, but as long as I feel like I’m learning I can still call it progress

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

@@BloodSportA2 little victories indeed. The hardest I popped off in years was punishing with a counter hit combo into super to win a round. I still lost my set, but I felt accomplished that day.

[@dj_koen1265]

Winning is not that important Im playing plus r with my homies and i win about 30% of the time but i love it all the same

[@kaleidoslug7777]

That's exactly it for me tbh, the "naturally groove with" part. I can only really stick with a game if I have a character I feel strongly about and who just fits my hands. I've tried every top tier in Strive and most of them fit my patterns as a player (Sol and Ram convert off of everything and Leo just smashes face) but absolute bottom tier Anji is by far the most fun cause he just feels *right* for me

[@death-by-ego]

I disagree. You aren't having fun. Trust your audience because we know better than you. We will tell you when you are having fun. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we will allow the fun to commence.

[@VulcanBaum687]

Fun will commence when compliance improves.

[@KoninjaX]

There is no fun only chat

[@theufua]

The highlight of this comment is the use of the word "commence" That just adds so much.

[@henryjones8636]

Hey Sajam! I dunno if you'll see this but I wanted to tell you that I've gotten way into the FGC over the past week thanks to your videos. KZbin recommended Will it Kill? to me and I watched it out of boredom. It was actually fun to watch even though I had never played a fighting game. I definitely did not know what was happening but it was all either interesting, funny, or super hype. I've bought Guilty Gear Strive and I'm going to try and learn it. Your Strive videos combined with Core-A's stuff that keeps showing up in my recommended have me seriously excited to try this game out! So thanks!

[@leithaziz2716]

Hope you love it! Guilty Gear is a franchise close to my heart for how much Im into it.

[@ferdinandboudreau983]

Yoooo! Welcome to the FGC! Strive is great!

[@leholenzai9680]

“Will it kill” is S tier! Lol 😂

[@fgcbird]

Strive is a perfect first fighting game in my opinion

[@henryjones8636]

Thanks guys! I am super stoked to get involved with something like this. The FGC is so cool that I can't believe I knew nothing about it just over a week ago!

[@killermelga]

When melty blood released, I lost, and I shit you not, 70 matches _in a row_ with Hisui (I'm completely inept at fighting games). Loved every second, I just liked throwing garbage at people

[@AmnesiacSai]

Basically me right now in BBCF. Picked Hazama lost 50+ matches in a row over 2-3 hours.... Had a blast lmao the like 4 times I took a round I popped off

[@hirumaryuei]

wtf Hisui's amazing just chair people, I love playing Hisui

[@Shining4Dawn]

I'm always amazed at people saying they have fun losing tons of matches in a row. If I play a fighting game online and lose 10 times in a row I just go "the game isn't matching me up with someone on my skill level" and decide that the game's matchmaking mechanism is faulty. At this point I would most likely stop playing the game. The first online match I played in Melty Blood was with someone with over 500 matches under their belt. I haven't played the game since.

[@killermelga]

@@Shining4Dawn Winning does not equate to fun for me, in any aspect of my life. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if I was the worst player in the world playing at that time. I was matched against tons of 0/0 opponents and got destroyed just the same

[@AmnesiacSai]

@@Shining4Dawn it's not that I have fun losing its that I'm having fun learning. I don't play fighting games to just win every game. I play to solve problems, invent mixups and do sick combos. Losing a bunch is just like a training montage on your way to doing all of that stuff more often. When I learn to play a new song on my guitar I don't try it 10 times expecting to be able to execute it by the end of a few short tries, I practice and refine hundreds of individual movements and timings to make sometjing that is greater than its pieces

[@kinginthenorth1437]

If you aren't one of the tiny, tiny percent of a single percent of people who's income is tied to how much they win, their is absolutely no reason to play game that you aren't having fun with. And I don't know why anyone would expect you to make choices that make you miserable.

[@Lanzetsu]

So true! That is why I instantly droper KOF XIV on release and never touched it again but then I came back for the Betas and I am liking it now, same with Guilty Gear, I loved Xrd and moved into it then into Strive, I simply get fun and play, or stop playing if I don't get fun. I think that a lot of people who doesn't get paid for playing/winning still stick to a game where they feel they can achieve "something" that let them feel better because they have a lot of frustration in their lives and the only achievements they could get are those in a game =/

[@DrunkTigerGrill]

You say this but then the league of legends “community” exists and all they do is NOT have fun and hate the game their playing

[@no_nameyouknow]

@@DrunkTigerGrill Misery loves company. Shit floats to the top. Plenty of league players are having a blast. I know, I used to play with a group of people and we mostly just fucked around and had good times. The miserable fucks just are the loudest and get the most attention.

[@NickJJU]

I think some people are upset that the character that appeals to them doesn't feel as strong or easy to use as the characters that appeal to other people. To use your food analogy, it's like if you're at a restaurant with your friend. Your friend loves steak, and you love burgers. But this restaurant makes great steaks, and terrible burgers. You might feel annoyed that they got to enjoy their meal more than you, because you wanted to have a good burger, but that wasn't an option for you, whereas your friend got to have the delicious steak they wanted. "Of course you enjoyed your meal, you had a steak!" you say, while sitting in a steakhouse and eating their shitty burger. And maybe you've gone out to a bunch of restaurants with this friend, and every restaurant you go to seems to have a great steak for them, but the burgers are hit and miss. There might be some pent-up resentment towards your friend or the restaurant because of this. I don't condone the endless whining that goes on in Sajam's chat, but I kind of get where some of these people are coming from. Ultimately, you've got to either accept that you have to eat a nice steak you didn't really want, or a shitty burger, or you've got to find a different restaurant. But when everyone's gushing about the new steakhouse in town and you feel left out when that's the only place everyone seems to want to eat, I understand why you might be a little salty.

[@hazzydahaka13]

To summarise in a fighting game sense, you either gotta pick the top tier you don't like, pick the bad character you do like, or pick a different game. Or simply move down the list of characters your interested in.

[@somedude15231]

I see your point, but getting salty because someone else got to enjoy their meal is still a bad look. Plus, the way most fighting games are, even the worst character is playable most of the time (maybe not most, but a lot of the time). So the shitty burger is really just a lil dry. Also, idk man, maybe just order the damn steak next time. The human brain is capable of enjoying more than one thing. Or just go to a place with good burgers.

[@leithaziz2716]

I kinda get this, but it comes off as jealousy for the most part.

[@abbymems]

I pretty much agree with all of this and with some of the responses. This restaurant isn't for you? That's a shame. But you don't have to go and shame others for liking it.

[@Ltp1305]

I would just go eat alone so I don't have to deal with people's taste

[@mallow2902]

Sol is the most fun main character in any fighting game ever.

[@leithaziz2716]

Easily. I'd also say the most interesting protag in any FG besides maybe Scorpion or Ragna.

[@johnarbuckle9345]

I'd give that to Sion, but Sol is a close 2nd

[@KruxisV]

Kazuya is pretty fun.

[@piranhaplant8483]

I'ma be real, I played Sol in Xrd because his dragon install was sick. When he lost it in Strive, I lost all motivation to play him

[@DaughteroftheOriginalFlame]

Sorry breh, that title goes to Beowulf.

[@catdude3263]

I am convinced that some people just don't like having fun

[@humaneshadow300]

No everyone try to be someone else think they gonna be like pro's but failed to know they are not like them

[@humaneshadow300]

@Pre-SunCorp RiceGum not every pro though it's alot of toxic pro's like leffin

[@gwynmoth3940]

As a Jack-O main I concur. I'm actually scared of winning.

[@mylesobrien7477]

I have a super competitive friend and while he's a great guy when it come to games he can be a real self righteous asshole. He literally looks down on anyone uses supers ever and if you play even slightly defensively hes all like "all you do is run away then super" basically people with that kind of mentality are horrible.

[@humaneshadow300]

@@gwynmoth3940 do what you gotta do ignore everyone just do it

[@Speedo94]

No matter what you do in life someone gonna have something negative to say.

[@humaneshadow300]

Facts

[@leithaziz2716]

That's been my experience whenever I mention the name Strive. Someone will always jump in and insert a random "this game sucks" no matter the context. Im just like "Why?". Unless you have a point to make, just let me enjoy the game, wether it's gameplay or lore. Instead, people love to respond with "Strive sucks. You're an Arcsys fanboy". wtf?

[@Sparty450]

When I started Strive I purposefully avoided Sol since he "carried people" or was "braindead" but after watching Sajam play him I couldnt help but think he looked super fun to play. So eventually I got over myself and tried him out and now I'm a Sol main.

[@gingeysnap2090]

When Strive was announced, I had never played a GG game, but I knew some of the characters I told myself I'd main Sol lmao

[@WhoTookAllTheGoodNames]

Same here, hard core ino player and I hated ky now I play him pretty often, he’s fun af.

[@piranhaplant8483]

I feel like Sol has a kit that can really carry players, but that doesn't mean he's completely braindead

[@nyxterra2888]

I love this mindset. I've played BBCF since NA release and bounced between Izayoi, Bullet, Nine and Izanami after I got bored of my old main, Noel, and eventually settled on Mai. I literally revitalized my interest in a franchise by playing the most basic character simply because I was having fun.

[@FOGSHIE]

Mai is too buff, love her and doing flips all the time.

[@cantbearpuns7439]

Yeah same here. I’ve mained Jin since CT and switched to Hibiki on CF years ago… I just pick characters I think are fun too. The fact that this isn’t common sense is mind blowing.

[@iliakatster]

I think the thing you're missing that explains the salt around char choice is that most people find it fun when they can do the thing they want to with the char they chose. "I picked pot, i wanted to land some pot busters". Then they run into a situation where they feel like they are forced to go away from the fun aspects of their char they want to do and thats frustrating. This generally happens when your char is low tier, esp if the moves of the gimmick they want to do are just so bad they're unusable so now the character doesn't deliver on the promise of being able to execute the idea you had in mind, or when you're against an oppressive top tier or matchup which invalidates your gimmick and instead you have to use awkward tools you don't like to use to play against their gameplan, so it feels like they get to have fun, while you have to work and don't get to play, or even worse, you just have no clue how to beat it, so you feel like you don't get to do anything except watch the other person have fun without you. So when people say "of course you have fun with X char" they're saying "the character you like gets to do those fun things you like all the time, while I have to put up with stuff I don't like just to sometimes be able to do the things I like with the char I like". So to take your chivalry2 example, you had fun even when you failed, bc you got to do things you found fun, throwing swords, chasing people down, but if you had been shut down at every opportunity, like if you kept dying 10 seconds after respawning over and over again bc some archer you cant even see keeps sniping you from across the map, its not nearly as fun. There are probably ways to deal with that situation, but if they involve having to change your playstyle to something you don't enjoy, then why continue to play when you can probably find something more fun to do?

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Spot on, Mirdon.

[@shay938]

I think people feel punished when the characters that they personally think look cool or have standout cool features turn out to be weak.....especially weak against other characters that they view as uncool. It's like they feel the game is telling them that they have bad taste in cool

[@whizthesugoi]

the thing, at least in my point of view, is that fighting games give the impression that you're supposed to always be living a power fantasy while in reality it's more of a fast and convoluted rock paper scissors where you'll lose way more than win thanks to """chance"""

[@folknerdragon4113]

You just took the words out of my mouth

[@jreut09]

@@whizthesugoi or maybe that fighting games are an actual competitive environment that involve two thinking people that are capable and not just mindless npcs, therefore you aren't the protag but a competitor. Not sure where random chance falls into this

[@Gigadriller]

@@keithsimpson2150 that usualy makes Characters bad

[@whizthesugoi]

@@jreut09 what i meant with """chance""" is that it isn't actually chance, it's just your skill against the other's, but in ways so complex most people will just call it chance

[@twTheivid]

"Of course you think X is fun, you play Y" Why the *fuck* do these people even play the game then? I wanna have fun, yeah, and? lmao

[@hdhgjhjdvj]

Its like entering an archery contest with a new rule allowing mechanical bows. At least some people feel that way.

[@armlesskirby]

More people need to have this mindset about games and I hope you never lose this mindset. Being able to have fun even while losing or at least enough to offset any frustration is really important to being able to enjoy games imo

[@captainmalice]

Don't ever feel bad for picking a top tier. Ever. Or a low tier. If your opponent ain't having fun even when they lose, fuck em. Enjoy yourself.

[@TheCosmicUprise]

This take can never miss

[@Hey1426]

I played Faust from the beginning of GGS. He wasn't even a character people eyes but, he's the character I love to play.

[@hopeatlast9617]

Day one Faust main. Still love him.

[@tetealfre]

Love Faust. I can't play anyone else. Whenever I win victory tastes 100x sweeter with Faust.

[@dr3dd_d165]

It's funny when I see people get mad at Goldlewis players saying "he's so fucking terrible" or "he's fucking cheap of course you like him". I just think a man swinging a giant coffin is fucking hilarious lmao

[@AresGod0fWar]

He’s got a dope theme too

[@nathannjh]

This is how I feel about Venom. You can’t stop me from having fun.

[@humaneshadow300]

Then keep using him ignore everyone

[@leithaziz2716]

If you mean Venom from Guilty Gear, I don't blame you. Fighting him can be frustrating, but he's a cool character. And Venom from Marvel is just Venom.

[@DecentPlayerNA]

I was never good at math so enjoy playing venom for me

[@diamonddisarray6479]

I too enjoy playing with balls

[@spidersonic01]

Marvel Venom or Guilty Gear Venom?

[@jwa201]

WOW Sajam is PURE FGC truly a man who loves fighting games through and through. Bro you play NINE of course tons of people will give you nonsense because of how she looks and how she plays, but you still play and I love that. I main Bullet, im terrible at the game it took me a month just to finish all her trials and I still love fighting with her all the same. Never Ever STOP!

[@EvanAxel]

the virgin play character to win vs the chad play character to have silly fun

[@pauljung9620]

If sajam really only wanted to play cheap/top tier characters, he wouldn't have played goldlewis

[@happycamperds9917]

Sajam stopped playing him when he was nerfed, he always thought he was good before then. TBF he said he stopped playing him as much after the nerfs because he was less fun and not because he was worse.

[@SupermanSajam]

@@happycamperds9917 I play him a lot actually, I prob play Sol the least this patch

[@happycamperds9917]

@@SupermanSajam Sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought you said you said he was less fun after the FD changes, but maybe that was awhile back.

[@SupermanSajam]

@@happycamperds9917 He is, but he's still hella fun. I play him all the time.

[@abyoyo]

I got stuck in the "my character is bad so I can't have fun" mindset for a long time, but I am just enjoying the game more. My greatest fighting game regret is giving up on Nappa in dbfz

[@themancalledben2731]

Preach, dude, preach. I can't even play a top tier consistently if I don't at heart think they are cool or fun. If my character choice turns out to be top tier so be it but it has nothing to do with my selection.

[@yojo8667]

The rule of Guilty Gear that applies to every fighting game: Every character that you don’t play is wack.

[@baronvonfaust]

Where people fall into darkness is when it becomes "every character I don't play sucks, but the character I do play SUCKS THE MOST OF ALL, GOD"

[@lazycouchman]

I was loving Leo in Strive for a long time, but Goldlewis is my main now. He's just so fun to play. I never understood the mindset of being mad at someone for playing a good character. Lol. Just have fun!

[@arbyw.1889]

of course you think the thing is fun, you're having fun

[@jakebeansboy3755]

I've played anji in +r and strive, and i can't stop taking dumb risks that get me blown up, because he's too much fun and i don't care

[@linkueicatastrophe9727]

You're the kind of player that would beat me a few times in the beginning. 'there's no way he's gonna do that again' does it again xD

[@carbide4458]

For the most part, I think most players put far too much emphasis on winning in order to have fun. A good to great player at anything usually only wins 55-60% of their matches. Meaning, even if you're good at something, you might still spend half of your time playing a game losing. And if that enrages or frustrates someone, they need to mature or get a new hobby.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Depends on matchmaking and the amount of luck the game has. High skill low luck games can have players with 80%+ winrates.

[@hteety]

Exactly. Like this is the same problem people have with SBMM. They only have fun beating people they're better than instead of people in their level. It's so silly. Imagine if college kids regulart showed up to beat up on high schoolers in basketball and people were just OK with that.

[@haughtygarbage5848]

A year in and constantly losing is still so rough, embarrassing, not fun, the drive home from locals is always a pseudo therapy sesh. It's so got dang hard to break out of that mindset for real, even with all the same advice you always hear, over and over and over. But whoever can move past this and have fun regardless is who sticks w this genre long term. Trying my best to push through, not give up, bring the good times back up front

[@LostTimeHero]

It's okay to lose. Play the characters you like.

[@hdhgjhjdvj]

Clearly, people who are frustrated do not feel that way. They don't have fun losing.

[@haughtygarbage5848]

I'd rather hit my wall early w amane than play ragna, get early wins and then hit my wall way later w a character I'm way less into

[@farenaenae2586]

I think this also applies to how you play the character. If I wanna turtle with Pot in strive, I'm staying in my shell.

[@SomniaCE]

I hate being a boomer about it but god I miss 10ish years ago when people weren't constantly whining for patches in every single gaming community on the planet

[@oliverstead4690]

And the meme that sajam only plays top teirs continues

[@fgcbird]

I realized recently I have major overthinking syndrome when I go to pick characters. I go through things like “I should play x because x will make me better at the game”, “I can’t play y because y won’t make me good at the game”, “I can’t play z because my friends will say I’m cheap, I want a character they have to hold the l losing to” I literally started to second guess my skullgirls team because it has no airdashers on it and I was thinking “I need to play a character that has airdashes other wise I won’t learn to play airdashers” How ridiculous is that? Recently I was having character crisis in strive because Potemkin was my first love and everyone gives so much hate to grapplers and I was like “I want to be good”. It’s so stupid. To make it worse I always think a lot of characters look cool so I over analyze their pros and cons when deep down there are always one or two I’m most drawn to, I just also like the others. I decided I am going to just play who I am most drawn to. We forget sometimes that we are playing games to have fun. Even if you want to play competitively, good luck doing it if you aren’t having any fun at all. And also, why do it if you aren’t having fun? Why not have the most fun. This rant went long, but if you’re reading this and you’re like me, know that you are not alone, know that our “problem” is ridiculous, and just pick the character that draws you in and learn from their perspective. I am also writing this to procrastinate. Fuck I need to study. Have a good day everyone

[@leithaziz2716]

No matter the game, I end up always maining Sol. Fun personality, cool look, badass voice, interesting lore, flexible playstyle. Checks all the boxes.

[@FireandIceMage]

I totally agree with this my enjoyment of strive is increased 200x every time I do horizontal dolphin and nobody can stop me no matter how badly I get smoked

[@hihi123hiful]

I’ve been having tons of fun playing kokonoe in bbcf- she’s everything I like in a character.

[@noticeme6412]

same here, i have fun playing celica

[@Viviantoga]

"I play the characters that I think are fun, therefore I have fun. I have fun, therefore I'm winning. I'm winning, therefore you still lose even if you're beating me."

[@carlosvillarrealelizondo5821]

1:57 is fun measured in ounces or pounds? This is important for my fun calculations

[@10kRats]

Fun is measured in volume :D

[@Kintaku]

I think if a game is fun to play, you can enjoy it win or lose. I SUCK at Melty Blood but I always come back because it’s fun to play.

[@cylondorado4582]

I’m the same way. I played Sheeva in MK9, and I didn’t find out she was the worst character until years later. Conversely, I always play Ivy in SC, and she happens to be strong in 6.

[@Wanna_Be_Desu]

Of course sajam is having fun, he is rocking a stylish haircut, of course it's fun to play videogames like that.

[@pluviaaeternum]

A good content creator that's not grumpy about Runeterra is Jaesensational.

[@OGamelon]

This is why grappler players are the happiest. Top tier or low tier, landing the big command grab is always worth however much work it takes.

[@pikatzer]

I go around 5W 30L every time I play KOF but I always have fun lol

[@cysquatch5862]

This reminds me of my brothers description of his approach to MTG. It’s a zero sum game. So if you’re having NO fun, then that must mean that I’m having ALL of the fun. So if the person you’re playing is grumpy about who or what you play, it doesn’t matter. You play for your own enjoyment, not theirs. So do what gets you all the fun.

[@RemoteIslandSyndrome]

MTG worked out that fun isn't necessarily a zero sum game a long time ago though. The player psychographics can illustrate a situation where, for instance, a player gets their opponent down to just 3 HP with their crazy land only deck - and is satisfied with getting that far and is having a good time - while the other player fucking WINS and therefore also has fun.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

We should all strive for both parties having fun.

[@linkueicatastrophe9727]

@@RemoteIslandSyndrome I agree with this. Sometimes playing a low tier and almost beating/beating a high tier results in fun. I think it depends on how the individual playing is wired but for me; beating a tank with a horse is more enjoyable than beating a horse with a tank.

[@shanerpressley]

I love the quote that goes, "Nobody hates a fighting game more than it's own players"

[@jasonbiggs1624]

that's bassically my reason for picking ky. I have alot of factors picking a character, among which is accessibility, but I picked him in strive cause I love how he looked and moved.

[@AresGod0fWar]

I play Millia, and even I liked the way Ky looked, so I was practicing with him on the side. I don’t usually play characters like Ky, not to be confused with me not liking them. Every fighting game I buy I always say I’m going to main everybody, and it never happens. Lol

[@AN4RCHID]

Classic Sajam funplaying his mains to absolve himself of his crimes

[@IMR_Seb]

There are 2 wolves inside me: -1 who plays shot guns and lurks corners with full stealth loadouts -1 who wants to play the strongest character/deck every patch I feed them both 3 square meals a day

[@Cogbyrn]

Shoutout to the For Honor community, those lads and lasses *hate* the game they play. Everything is frustrating, but it's also so cosmically fun if you roll in with the proper mindset.

[@Luunyby]

It's something I've noticed with some of my friends and acquaintances. They salt and rage when they lose or play poorly. And the only time they seem to be enjoying the game is when they're winning. It feels less like they want to play the game and more like they just want a winning simulator. It's not exactly bad it's just irritating when I enjoy the moment to moment play of the games and the emergent silliness that can happen.

[@elgnarfowo2678]

Thank you, i was feeling the Same and couldn't Put IT to words

[@AX02Crusnik]

I think that's the thing about VS games. You can't have a Yin without the Yang. Joy means nothing without sadness and life means little without death. How fun a game is is close to how frustrating it can possibly be. The fun is overcoming the thing that frustrates you.

[@absoul112]

Add to this, I've switched characters because I though one would be fun and they weren't. Also I see your +R Sol and raise you a +R Bridget.

[@Kptanuki]

UMMMMMM... Preach Homie... I'm glad someone finally said this that has some stature in the world of content creation. I couldn't say it any better.

[@Dhamphyre]

I saw SO much of the same mindset when Happy Chaos dropped. People talking about "oh yeah he seems fun and he isn't bad but I don't know why you'd play him when Sol can just mash buttons." Like, dude, if you really feel that way, just...play Sol? Nobody's stopping you from playing Sol. What it SOUNDS like these people are saying is "I vibe with Happy Chaos but all that matters to me is winning."

[@h8reset194]

That description of the death on the end is a great definition on what "fun" is, i laugh a lot just by imagining hahahah

[@ramkindalethal732]

I brake my fingers with naoto everyday and im having a blast

[@stilmaho]

Some people are just masochist that want to play low tier grapplers in a game that is dominated by zoners

[@YangyChaddyDad]

Why would you want to play a game dominated by zoners tho

[@stilmaho]

​@@YangyChaddyDad In all fairness, I think zoning gets more hate than it deserves. I have seen Guile vs Sagat matches in SF4 that were much more intense than any other match up.

[@peerlessvillain]

@@stilmaho you obviously have never seen UNIST Zoners

[@stilmaho]

@@peerlessvillain I have seen Peacock though

[@IppoX90]

I agree. As long as I like my character's personality, I don't mind being beaten up.

[@crispynachos8620]

PEOPLE DO DO THAT WITH FOOD THO LMAO. You'll get a nice latte and someone will come up to you like "you have no taste, you have to drink it black." And I LIKE black coffee too but like- bruh

[@drchocolatetv]

Character choice: are buttons fun to press on them yes? Lets go

[@Wakaraneeyo]

“Of course you’re having fun, you’re better at the game than me.”

[@YiddishDancingClown]

"You're only allowed to enjoy and play the game the way I want you too!" I hate people with this attitude.

[@philcoast1031]

Back when I played hero shooters, I rarely played the characters I liked the most. There was always a reason: they didn't fit the team composition, or it was a bad map for them, or I was afraid my random teammates were going to complain (a stupid to worry, but I worried about anyway)... and while I learned to like who I played as, I never played who I liked. Most of the time, I was more frustrated than anything else, and I gave up the entire genre for this reason (plus some other ones). Almost at the same time, Strive came out. Never played a fighting game in my life, but I decided to give it a try, and I picked May. Not gonna lie, Disaster of Passion and Totsugeki memes influenced my choice (also, shoutout to lastcody), and her being high tier doesn't hurt, but I honestly like the anchor-swinging sky pirate for herself. I want to try out others too, but when and if I want. Not limiting my character choices because of some arbitrary reason is the most fun I had in a long time in a competitive game.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Kiiinda helps that Strive is 1v1.

[@philcoast1031]

@@HighLanderPonyYT Oh yeah, definitely. It's ironic, really, I was very afraid of losing in 1v1 games and played team games to share the "responsibility" in the match. However, after finally playing a fighting game, there's no fear anymore: I lost because of a mistake, and I can learn from it. In a team loss, I couldn't always tell if it was my mistake or someone else's that caused the loss, thus making the situation even more unpleasant. It's crazy how the mind creates some preconceptions and stick to them, even without reason.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

@@philcoast1031 I see.

[@Permafrost1]

But what if playing a character, regardless of how fun they are is always overshadowed by the amount of anti-fun i have fighting literally anybody? Maybe its due to inexperience or me playing character wrong but even if i win i dont think im having fun

[@Taziod]

Gamers don't really understand that in order to appreciate the sweet sweet taste of victory you need to stomach and poo of defeat.

[@joshurawr]

I love this. Strive is my first fighting game, and I instantly gravitated to Nago because he's super cool and because since I was a bit overwhelmed by aerial movement, not having an air dash or second jump actually was very nice since it simplified that aspect of things (also: because I was a scrub, I could rationalize doing simpler combos as just being responsible with my blood management lol). Since then, I've warmed to air movement and have tried some other characters, but still have the most fun with Nago, so I play him, and plan on doing so even if they nerf him into the ground. I'm actually hoping they bring Slayer in, though. I picked up Xrd and played around with Slayer and had a ton of fun, it's just a shame the online isn't great. Slayer and Robo-Ky look like the most fun characters to play from the earlier games.

[@ADxTygon]

i play goldlewis in strive and was so frustrated at first thinking he was a bad character before i got more comfortable with playing as him and learning combos, pressure, and neutral against a wider variety of characters, but after getting over that initial feeling i can go against characters like i-no or axl and still have a blast because i understand what im doing a lot better and having a great time cuz i just enjoy the character with their strengths and flaws as they are. the only things i had a problem with being skyfish being kinda worthless in a lot of situations and his fastest button not being great at interrupting got fixed, and i think he's a fine character now i picked up bullet in bbcf cuz she looks simple to understand and fun as fuck to play and its my first time getting into the game, so for fun i looked up a tier list and saw she was like, bottom 3 in the roster, and i could'nt help but think "okay even if she DOES suck im probably gonna have more fun playing her than trying to pick a top tier i dont enjoy so whatever" really enjoying bbcf so far after that decision

[@deddrz2549]

I think what he was trying to get at is that the character that has the playstyle you like also being a top tier is more conductive to fun then having the character you like being bad. IE I probably would have enjoyed old Melty Blood more if the character who's playstyle I resonated with most wasn't Neco-arc, because I love Neco-arc but I don't have fun going 1-30. Same thing with Mariah in Jojo, I think she's the character that fits my style but also I have never won a single game out of the several days I mained her. These are exaggerated examples, but the idea is that if you have fun with a character and they are good, you might be having more fun then a person that loves a character but doesn't have fun or struggles more with their win condition.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Yup.

[@SantiLokyyo]

I'm happy with the state of Strive... Except for the lack of Baiken. Good thing they'll fix it in January

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

*sad ABA noises*

[@Ardescat]

No amount of tier lists or frame data will ever stop me from maining Faust. As long as items go brrrr, neuron gets activated.

[@AresGod0fWar]

Wtf Sajam! Chess, Blazblue, now Runeterra? CAN’T ESCAPE FROM CROSSING FATE!!! You’re playing all of the things I love. I just recently got back into Runeterra myself. The ONLY reason I didn’t grind it hard before was because I was playing fighting games, BRs, and MTG Arena and I couldn’t squeeze in another grindy game in my schedule. The F2P model is great imo, but you still have to grind if you want cards. Honestly, I think being a content creator/streamer would give me too much stress. Comments like the one you mentioned, I feel like it’s easy to misinterpret intent. You probably get a bunch of hateful comments, and then one person tells what they think is a joke, and it can easily be taken the wrong way. There are definitely a bunch of haters though. Not denying that. My friends and I poke fun at each other for character choice, but it’s not malicious. HOWEVER, there was one dude that played SoulCalibur with us and he’s just not fun to be around. Completely toxic, because he doesn’t understand what’s going on so he blames the person for choosing the character, and it turns personal. I wanted to help him learn the game, but I got tired of the outbursts towards the actual person he was playing. His behavior was so unacceptable.

[@garethmagis]

I just fought against a naoto who was 256 games played with 11 wins, if anyone embodies this mindset it's him.

[@BigBlackBrony]

Please record your Runeterra matches. I've been wondering if you were going to get back into it. I would love to see your deck comps and strategies

[@Drawfill]

Preach! Fun is THE reason we play games. If you're not having fun why are you even playing?

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Some games don't provide instant fun. In those cases, you need patience for things to click, during which time you might not have much fun.

[@Blargel]

The section about picking strong options in this video reminds me of a comment I saw on another video just the other day where someone was like "Why does it have to be viable? Gosh, everyone always cares about stuff being viable as if they're all tournament players or GOOD streamers". Needless to say, I was very confused while reading that thread.

[@mr_oger]

Like, i'm trying to be surprised that this one had to be explained to people for 8 minutes straight, but i just can't.

[@Vitz_atelier]

I was going to say that the bus could have other characters looking at the bright side, but then I realized that it only shows characters YOU play as. That works too.

[@FaceD0wnDagon]

Sajam, I have a bone to pick with you! After watching a ton of your videos over a long time, now when I see one of my fish chilling in the aquarium, I instinctively say "He's out here living his best life!" ...I blame you!

[@Whup.]

Couldn't care if a character is cheap or not what I care about is if I can do stupid stuff with them and if they've got cool stuff going for combo potential on at the end of the day it's a game so just have fun and play whatever you want. Thankfully pretty much every character in BBCF is fun.

[@theinfinityskull3619]

I generally avoid playing top tiers, but then I discovered I just like playing grapplers. I don't care if you think Pot is top 1, you're going to heaven anyway.

[@Doople]

One of the rare examples where balance ruined a game for most people is Overwatch, double shield meta. Imagine playing an FPS where most of the gameplay is shooting at a wall until it breaks than having a few seconds to kill something then repeat and hope someone gets bored and moves out of cover. Then the tanks are forced to play the least popular(and least fun) tank if you don't want to get rolled or have people flame you. Supports just sit behind the tanks waiting for someone to take damage, spam damage into the enemy shields and push a single button invincibility aoe sometimes. Plus it was easy to do so you got it like every other game whether it was average plat or Top 500

[@Pokemaniac88]

Since BBCF rollback I've played like 50 hours of that game and I'm having a blast playing with a friend. He already has experience in the game and he's kicking my butt, but I'm having a blast because there's so many fun characters to play in that game.

[@doumanseiman2645]

I see a character in a game that seduces me and I buy the game to play it. People buy a game then try to look for a character and end up never having fun, then complain about the game being boring.

[@Simon_E32]

Mindset matters. Most people are in the middle of the skill ladder (floor 7-9ish in strive for example), and the people who have fun are the people who want to have fun. Once you start trying to be the best in the world even though you've only been playing fighting games for a year or so, you've lost.

[@SirCharles.]

So if they're saying you're only having fun cuz your character is fun, well then they themselves also think that character is fun.. so why aren't they having fun too? Them: cuz I don't have fun playing that fun character.

[@quinndepatten4442]

This is the thing like I don't understand why people think that the only reason to pick a character is to have the best chance at winning. Like if that's what you want that's fine. I try to win with what I like and what feels good to play. Playing around character's limitations and coming up with new stuff just makes them even more fun.

[@dreadfulpopcorn]

I remember that after a while I wasn't having much fun playing millia because of just how perfectly you had to play to do anything on her, but it was even less fun playing anybody without 2 air dashes. Getting the millia rounds is probably the most fun thing in the game to do so I just stuck with her

[@domo190]

I like Mai. She’s fun. Call me a brain dead Mai if you want. But bitch I’m having a lot of fun mashing 5C when i get scared in neutral.

[@EldestOrion]

The difference between the character you think is cool being good or them not being good is if the devs think your character is cool too. Dont blame the players that the devs agree with them

[@CyberDragoon656]

I wonder if anyone ever talked about wanting to play a character you like but cant learn vs playing a character you dont like but can learn when it comes to just trying to understand fighting games.

[@tesserthelost]

Absolutely Sajam, big body for life. IDGAF about tier lists. BIG BODY FOR LIFE

[@muhammadsaad5493]

Get ready for the people to say you're calling their character shit. Cause using your brains in this community is harder than it should be.

[@FishingLesbian]

I like that you talked about the league of legends thing. It’s a whole problem that the entire community hates the game and perpetuates the perception of the game as toxic and bad and unfun. But the secret is that it’s actually a fun game. When Briar released I played like 30 of her games in a row and I lost almost all of them, but I was having so much fun that I didn’t care I just kept queuing up to play more Briar. I try and find whatever character makes me feel that way in every game, fighting game or otherwise bc that’s what’s most important :3

[@mila7817]

You speaking about Runeterra reminded me of why I have this huge disconnect with most of the Magic: The Gathering community. Trying to find a content creator that doesn't feed the grump train on social media is a *slog*. You perspective on things has been continually refreshing because of this.

[@AresGod0fWar]

I liked watching CovertGoBlue, and I like MTGRemy for the parodies. That channel is godlike and I’m always laughing at the skits.