I Played MEWTWO For 1 Week! Does He Suck?

[@tristinyaeger9222]

I have been really wanting to see more mewtwo at high level play. His offensive kit is really strong which makes him really fun to watch.

[@julioarcaiko]

Hey Esam, is this a series? If not you should totally make it a series cause the idea is great for a game like Ultimate that has so many underrepresented characters.

[@rusk3986]

Yeah as a guy who isn’t really an esam fan (no hate just not a regular watcher) a series like that would keep me coming back

[@julioarcaiko]

@@rusk3986 100%. Having a top player give a character a proper shake for a week would be fun and educational.

[@innocentshine2778]

Great analysis, every point brought up makes a lot of sense; tail hurtbox definitely isn't his biggest flaw but I'd say it's still annoying, even though it's not gonna always get hit every single game, when it does it feels very frustrating and unfair to take damage or even die because the tail was randomly in the way. It's bad for his dashback (though slingshot can help) and prevents the tail moves from being great tools because there's always a risk of getting hit just because you threw it out (lol 0:52 ) About his tournament results, Remrin from Canada and TimPrater from the US are also doing good with Mewtwo, but it could be harder to get really high with him than other low-mid tiers (like DK) because of his consistency issues and lack of solid win condition (especially against characters that are hard to edgeguard)

[@RafaelBernabeuParreno]

Finally someone agrees with me on the low damage output... He had great damage output for early meta standards but nowadays every single character makes you go from 0 to 60 in one interaction and has some autopilot - character driven advantage state after that while Mewtwo feels like if you get the reads you get the same but with extra effort. Mewtwo is by no means a bad character but the standard of this game is so high that everything he does is just alright and this game benefits having 2/3 broken options instead of a consistent all around kit. Kinda sad

[@Team-Eclipse6024]

one thing I've noticed is that when mewtwo players get high damage strings, they're chasing their opponent down and getting grabs. Also, he seems quite dependent on getting edgeguards or landing disable at 60-80%. Which makes his games really swingy.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

only if you never learn the combos

[@paulboulet9073]

Alright hear me out: instead of Young Link, BIG LINK!! You’re so amazing at technical combos and I’d love to see you Zdrop bomb shenanigan people into oblivion. Would be so cool to see what you think, too, since big Link’s always been that in theory top tier.

[@dogyX3]

2:30 Yo this Captain Falcon was cooking

[@CourtesyCurtis]

Go through the Pokémon gauntlet and try Lucario next? 🙏🏽

[@witherbrine5674]

Greninja is better ngl

[@CourtesyCurtis]

@@witherbrine5674 I’m a casual player and I know this, I just like seeing uncommon character being played

[@TheGeneralgrim]

bowser Jr has some nasty combos and feels like he could be on the cusp of greatness sometimes. Would be cool to see your thoughts on that Character.

[@DrCorndog1]

@@TheGeneralgrim I second Bowser Jr.

[@lmgmodefoxyakalugnut]

Yes

[@Isotope_LH]

Let’s see a bowser jr. episode!! 😤 Zap is awesome and feel like the character very underrated and has some great tools. Also totally make this a longer series I love these videos

[@robsquare2622]

Yeah i think this mostly summarises why it can switch from great to suddenly crap as mewtwo. At mid level nothing matters but when your double jump is that slow it is hilariously easy to get frame trapped since your options are basically limited to mash or airdodge, and since your moves are not that fast or disjointed air dodge is probably always better and any mildly awake player will know it, and can juggle you pretty easily. Another thing that feels awful after enough time is his fast fall speed not moving fast enough to allow for tomahawk grabs or for fast fall Airdodge to really be an option in disadvantage. Some buff ideas he really could use are: •frame 5 nair •faster jump + dbjump speed •reduce hurtbox on feet •faster teleport, less lagg on teleport •tail intangibility on moves like rolls, tilts, and back air. (Getting spiked from onstage behind your opponent while rolling from ledge is hell). Any 3 of these changes and ge goes up 2 tiers.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

teleport instead of jumping away and use djc to fall faster with aerials

[@TuesdayTastic]

Absolutely love seeing you explore other characters! I'm trying my best but I don't have that top level experience. I absolutely agree with everything you said about Mewtwo. His offense is incredible but you're right that if you want to be good with Mewtwo you need to have really good defensive play. The point about micro spacing is something I hadn't considered as much but definitely resonates with my experience of maining Mewtwo.

[@ryan_raus]

Characters I’d love to see next: - Greninja - Chrom - Lucas - Robin

[@redpixel7073]

Incineroar

[@tundral]

Great analysis for such a short time with the character! Id like to see you do this with lucas next, I feel like the amount of buttons you can press with him might fit you pretty well!

[@bigtoblerone8446]

High tier strengths; low tier weaknesses

[@the_bookworm8281]

The more I look at both SSB4 and Ultimate Mewtwo footage, the more I realize how much his broken airdodge from SSB4 carried that character. That airdodge was, for the most part, a get-out-of-disadvantage free card. Without it, Mewtwo must now feel the full fury of being a tall + light + floaty character. SSB4 Mewtwo was an even lighter character with an even more floaty double jump, so imagine that version of the character without that airdodge.

[@innocentshine2778]

It was broken, people were (rightfully) complaining about it back then, but unironically he kinda needed it. Though he also had a lot of other stuff that was nerfed from 4 to ult, fair was frame 6 and would combo into itself, nair hitbox was bigger and a more consistent combo tool (you could dragdown from a buffered sh nair and loop it with dtilt or footstool out of it), teleport cancels were much more lenient, disable was hitting lower, tail moves were much more disjointed with the smaller tail hurtbox...

[@zoonk1ng]

Happy that you might explore Young Link next. He's one of the best zoners and great setup tools. Only downside is its hard to get kills and stock confirms.

[@Scarecrow545]

Let's keep the punish game going - try Greninja next?

[@camro14]

Really like this series. It sheds light on some lesser known mid tier characters. And its nice to hear a pro’s well explained opinion of them.

[@bair_oos]

Id love to see you play young link. As an ex yink main it would be interesting to see how you overcome/play around his weaknesses

[@Abaddon1515]

Robin next or soon, please! I honestly mostly want to see someone with such a good understanding of combos lab bronze sword into spells/levin sword so I can steal the ideas, tbh. I'd also love to see if someone who can footstool out of shield consistently finds footstool up-b useful at all

[@AzureAetherXx]

I think Ike has gotten a pretty negative reputation in the last few years. I know hes a simple character and he tends towards this trajectory as Smash games evolve but I would love to see you go in depth on him with a week playing him.

[@RasuiTheFallen]

ike doesn’t deserve a entire video he’s basically just nair, back air, side b, and more nair. there you go that’s ike as a character.

[@AzureAetherXx]

@@RasuiTheFallen I think that is a gross oversimplification. If you play Ike as just those moves then hes going to be as bad as people think he is. I want to see a video on Ike because I want to see what ESAM does with him in the modern era since Ike was a character he was considering as a secondary in the past.

[@Team-Eclipse6024]

The biggest renaissance of 2024 has been olimar change my mind.

[@tyfi31]

Hey Esam if you do this again I'd love to see you try Toon Link. I think he's such an underrated character and no one really seems to play him except for Lv. 1, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on him.

[@cashwilliams3988]

id definitely wanna see you play bowser jr., villager, or robin next

[@MrFraynejames]

He's a big body but he has some tricks. Teleport to get a better position if you're trapped in the corner. Disable has armor start-up. If you up-tilt while crouching it comes out at the initial height. You can crouch up-tilt to catch people jumping in with ariels.

[@Retryfx]

Wadi would be proud

[@kiwifluorite]

Yup

[@Jjjr-]

😬

[@knudsonkent-wz4tp]

Wadi was hitting on underage girls and got caught for it which is why he disappeared. You and everyone else should stop mentioning him.

[@Retryfx]

@@knudsonkent-wz4tp I’m aware

[@michaelcross7665]

I still think you should watch some notbae content to see the stuff m2 can do. A lot of his potential comes to knowing these options.

[@sliceman222]

I noticed in the tourney video you didn't use his jab a single time. Such easy damage to build up.

[@peytonbollhorst6624]

He definitely does not suck. Very underrated

[@IsaacBollhorst]

Most underrated in the game imo

[@JadeYoRHa]

I feel there are a few points you made about Mewtwo aren’t entirely accurate especially the comment about having small combos and not having lots of combo moves. I agree with most other points though for sure and I think you summarized the character well.

[@EthanKnitessb]

You should play incineroar next

[@BaumM2]

Some details aside, I generally agree with your points or at least I understand where you're coming from. But we definitely disagree on Mewtwo's combo game / damage output, I personally don't think you give M2 enough credit in that area. Sure Mewtwo relies a lot on simple bread and butter 2 hit or 3 hit combos like Dtilt > Nair > Dash Attack, but those combos deal a solid bit of damage for what they are, more than 30% for this specific combo for example. If you replace dash attack with forward throw it's gonna be even more damage, closer to 40%. But under the right conditions M2 can extend these simple combos further. For example: against floatier characters you can confirm Nair into another Nair. So Dtilt > Nair > Nair > Fair for example will deal more than 40%. Against non-floatly characters you can implement an Up-Tilt. So you could do Dtilt > Nair > Up-Tilt > Nair > Fair for example and it's gonna deal almost 50%. So there's definitely room for Mewtwo to get more out of his combos. Although I'll admit some of those combos will be conditional. But I feel like you're overlooking Mewtwo's best neutral tool, which is also his best combo starter: Shadow Ball. You mentioned footstool combos and that they are very specific, and you might be right with that. But Mewtwo can combo Shadow Ball into literally anything, not just footstool, including his more prominent combo starters like Dtilt, Up Tilt or Nair, which usually are way simpler, safer and overall more accessible than footstool, and yet they yield almost as good rewards. (I'm not downplaying footstool combos btw, they're amazing. I'm just trying to highlight the plethora of combo routes Mewtwo has available). Fully or almost fully charged Shadow Ball > Dtilt > idj Up Air > Fair will deal close to 70%. Against floaties you can do Fully charged Shadow Ball > drag down Nair > Dtilt > Fair/Bair and it's gonna deal 60%. You can also do: quarter or half charged Shadow ball > Dtilt > drag down Nair > Dtilt > Fair/Bair and it's gonna deal around 55-60% Etc. Etc If you know what you're doing and you hit your opponent with a Shadow Ball, your opponent will take at least 50% damage at low percents. That's what M2 is capable of, if optimized. And that's without platform extensions. I think Mewtwo definitely has high tier combos / damage output, maybe not top tier, but definitely high tier.

[@RafaelBernabeuParreno]

I don't disagree that the damage output is fine when fully optimized, but the thing is that is reaaally inconsistent... Characters nowadays get 60% from very safe options and mewtwo gets like 20% from his safest ones, that's the issue

[@BaumM2]

@@RafaelBernabeuParreno That's just not true though. Mewtwo's combos are not inconsistent and he definitely gets more out of his safest options than only 20%. Did you read what I wrote? Do you not consider Shadow Ball to be a safe option? I would definitely say it is safe. And Mewtwo gets some very high damaging combos (upwards of 50%) out of Shadow Ball. And those combos are not inconsistent if you know what you're doing. Mewtwo's aerials are also very safe and they all lead into really good combos too. (Definitely more than 20% lol)

[@RafaelBernabeuParreno]

@@BaumM2 I know Mewtwo has some potentially damaging combos (I'm Cigotoast) But if you watch... let's say a Remrin match against good players you'll realize that the way you play M2 against high level players is veeery different to what you do at mid level. You usually are getting from 20% interactions (dtilt fair, grab) to 40/50% maximum as SDI and DI Up/Down really makes shadowball and nair combos way more inconsistent than what you usually face at mid level. The damaging potential from the character usually comes from advantage state rather than combo chains

[@BaumM2]

@@RafaelBernabeuParreno idk I still disagree. Remrin is obviously a great Mewtwo player, but combos don't seem to be a focus for her. You rarely see her go for even basic nair combos. Which is fine obviously, that's her play style. But I don't think this is a fair example. If you watch other high level Mewtwos like Suzune they'll consistently go for more elaborate combos. Di and SDI are obviously a factor, but I don't think it's as big a deal as you say. Especially if you react / adapt to the DI/SDI.

[@RafaelBernabeuParreno]

@@BaumM2 Take Anbil, Suzune or even my old sets as reference against top players. See Sisqui vs Suzune or even Anbil vs Lancelot as examples of recent sets and compare the kind of strings they do vs top players vs what you see on Twitter / KZbin / Mid lvl regions. It is not that Remrin doesn't have an optimized combo route, she's been playing m2 almost 10 years, it's just that she knows that the optimized route against top players is not consistent enough and she just prefers to go for BnB to then build damage during avantage state

[@Shorn_]

Let's see the Falco!

[@ShadySandwich54]

I would love to see you try playing obscure low tier zoner/trapper villager

[@atsoca-2294]

please do greninja next! you always say that europe hypes him up and say that theyll yell at you for placing em so low in your tier list videos.

[@JB_CY]

Mewtwo is a bit sad because on paper he's so strong and has every tool you'd want. But when you get hit it feels so bad lol. He's a very unfortunate character.

[@3thhackz531]

i vote villager. He has so much stuff and ability to play around his counters. I personally think he is underdeveloped and underused.

[@sliceman222]

You should make a video analyzing notbae's mew2

[@guy-claudeeleka5351]

YES MEWTWO 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@cyprusplotarmorstudios4396]

Try Lucario next :D

[@NeightrixPrime]

I think you have to push his aggression and punish game. Trying to play neutral like Pika isn't good when you have the worst size-to-weight ratio in the game.

[@XxWhite_Fang45xX]

Lucario next?

[@lmgmodefoxyakalugnut]

Y e s

[@odinforfang8573]

You have the craziest glasses

[@electricssb]

Play lucas next! Hes secretly top 10!!

[@PopcornBunni]

Need a vid for Does Chrom/Inkling/Pichu Actually Suck

[@Vermillion808]

Hes not bad, hes just a glass canon

[@Bomberman64x]

Kazuya next pls :3

[@chandlermua7967]

If Mewtwo was heavier like Ridley or Ike. I'd main him. Unfortunately too many weaknesses.

[@Contrary22]

Oof. An Ike weighted Mewtwo would be broken... His weight is his flaw. And I guess the lack of oos options? But I'm down. I like Mewtwo. Definitely among the underrated characters.

[@DragonMaster1818]

That would just make him combo food Also according to their official weights in Pokémon, he’s heavier than charizard

[@chandlermua7967]

@Contrary22 I wouldn't say broken. I'd say mid. Cause he still has his weaknesses. It's just he can afford to make more mistakes IMO

[@SolrMK]

could you play ice climbers again please?

[@davidrice1251]

Lucas please!

[@temmie5764]

lucas :3

[@_pkal1]

Hero next?

[@zaydraleetch7825]

Go for young link puh lease! Based on your playstyle I think your yink will be really fun

[@sliceman222]

initial dash speed is tied with bowser and Marth I believe also lucario I think

[@milos1967]

I wonder if mewtwo would be top tier if he could still airdodge spam

[@Team-Eclipse6024]

yes, but that would be the case for 90% of the cast because you've just given them an amazing disadvantage state. No character doesn't want to get hit.

[@minixlemonade]

"Doesn't have long enough combos" *Does one of several long combos on screen*

[@imESAM]

“except for the very specific footstool combos” is literally the completion of the sentence

[@Misfire333]

More mewtwo

[@7uxedomask]

I want to see you play robin because you hate them lol.

[@BoatChainz]

Compared to Pika? Yes, but same with like every high tier

[@Dondada3425]

I’ve been out of the esam loop for a long time now, anyone know why he doesn’t compete in tournaments anymore ?

[@imESAM]

I do, just one every like 2 months...

[@bradengreif1111]

Now Mii Swordfight... again

[@MaksenAmazigh]

plz main mewtwo more

[@mtvgamer2479]

He does

[@substitutedoll5224]

based and truthpilled

[@WesleyReichart-z3y]

Merle Ways

[@susiehaltmann3342]

Yes. Saved yall 10 minutes. When mewtwo gets in, hes decent. When he gets hit, its all over. You can just throw out any move and it’ll easily hit mewtwo from like a mile away

[@RafaelAndrade-e2c]

pls play as link next(normal link, not toon or young)

[@SimpPro101]

Are you going to become the Mewtwo King?

[@beegbeeg507]

he IS very cool

[@fatalcollision8195]

bowser would be interesting to see just sayin

[@mako7757]

yes he sucks but he's very awesome and cool and i love him dearly

[@ChauNeee]

Sephiroth for a week

[@andrewjordan7730]

Sheik for a week

[@Alear12l]

He does not suck if you know what you're doing with him.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

honestly I think you just didn't learn the combos

[@benjaminlura7318]

Mewtwo is accually much better than most people think he is. He has a ridiculous movesett. Very good and strong smash attacks. Forward air, nair a good damage tool. Solid recovery, not to mention a very strong final smash that is also pretty easy to hit. Sure he is light and tail hurtbox but that really does not matter.