I ran a Smash Bros. Tournament with NO Smash Bros.

[@CarburetorThompson]

Coney is definitely the Willy Wonka of smash

[@camronh14]

I have to agree

[@netanelaker4437]

The mr Beast of Smash

[@EliTheGleason]

OH MY GOD TRU

[@epicsause21]

To everyone who agreed to this, you guys realize willy wonka lured 5 kids to his factory and had 4 of them killed correct?

[@muzuchama]

​@@epicsause21 waiting for that video actually

[@crazynaut223]

One of the highlights here was Coney and the gang unknowingly using a fake AI-generated tier list for Shrek SuperSlam that convinced them that the literal Meta Knight of the game was bottom tier

[@TheWrathAbove]

Aint no way they thought red riding hood was trash tier 💀

[@0isthe1]

I was there at the con, looked up the tier list, and saw that riding hood was banned, and tried to tell them

[@Xanek]

100% the best mystery platform fighter tournament ever. Only way anyone had a advantage was if they played it previously in the past. Truly a chaotic experience.

[@Jazardly]

and the winner had played all of them

[@R4di8]

Or they get an advantage if the pick reptar

[@mrdankey]

This tourney peaked when Hbox absolutely shit slammed a child in NASB

[@gaslit7442]

Did he popoff, tho?

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

The Outfoxies being grand finals was so great. For years I've been telling anyone who will listen it's the Smash before Smash and it should be played.

[@Masaru_kun]

the fact Hbox's games last long no matter what you make him play is why he's a clutch god and we are humans

[@Yolipow]

Huge respect to the Mario ditto in Fraymakers

[@Salmonboyo]

I've loved these style of videos, and I hope you have liked making them. You're unironically one of the most comedic youtubers I watch, and I hope others agree. ALSO, the podcast you and Alpharad made has actually made it possible for me to sleep, and I may or may not have relistened to all of the episodes many, many times.

[@Chillaccino1]

WAIT THEY HAVE A PODCAST???

[@speertime]

I still listen to some of them over and over. They need to come back!

[@TheKnicks2012]

First time hearing this

[@bombyte_]

whats the podcast?

[@Snakebyte42]

THERE'S A WHAT???

[@idavid8391]

Nidhogg was hype beyond belief. Iconic.

[@Gamersgoinblind]

Mystery tournaments are so good, we need more of them.

[@ReiseOW]

coney would get so much content if he finds "your only move is hustle" that game would go so hard in this environment

[@thatoneguy9582]

unfortunately i don’t think that’s a platform fighter also it takes like 40 minutes per game

[@illford]

No it won't that game takes a morbillion years to finish. There is 3 hours, a game where matched can vary from minutes to near an hour it's too much of a wildcard

[@R4dace]

Only way it could possibly work is grand finals as a best of 1. It would be really hype though,

[@Oliver-rc1sp]

To deal with the time problems, I'm pretty sure there's a way to set the game to use a chess-style clock where each player has a hard time limit on how much they can think.

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

eitehr taht or round clock so you have 10 sec each to choose each time@@Oliver-rc1sp

[@Dunkacciino]

I had so much fun playing in the mystery platform fighter tournament, thank you so much for hosting. Can't wait for next year :)

[@thomaslanctot3913]

As a cultured individual I'm sure you've heard of Viewtiful Joe, but did you know it has its own platform fighter called Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble? It's honestly closest to coin battle from Melee and if you want a game to cull people in bracket you can run it as a FFA winner moves on losers eat shit. Not sure if it'd work in a 1v1 format, been a long time since I've played it.

[@gcfko]

Here's a platformer we loved playing in high school on the DS, Jump Ultimate Stars. You'd have to find an English patched rom since it was only released in Japan.

[@KactusGuy]

I made that SMW Mario in Fraymakers, why tf were yall playing him with a $1000 prize pool 💀

[@mrwhite2203]

this was so funny because i had a couple online friends in this bracket, one of whom was gonna be on stream for the TMNT game none of them knew anything about the game, but one guy in our discord happened to play a ton of it in his childhood, so we all just spam pinged him asking for any advice possible my friend ended up picking splinter rabbid since coney and the crowd wanted to see him…going directly against the advice of our one friend who knew what he was talking about… yeah that was a fun experience LMFAO

[@bigfakeONLINE]

Good video! As for next year, there are two Japan-only ones on GameCube and PS2 that both play more like coin battle than traditional Smash: DreamMix TV World Fighters (with characters like Bomberman, a Moai head, Optimus Prime, and the guy from Beyblade) and Battle Stadium D.O.N. (with characters from Dragon Ball, One Piece, and Naruto). They're pretty fun

[@wafflesforphanpy2542]

So happy to see Fraymakers still getting attention, I've been looking forward to this game since its announcement

[@FallenUmbra]

Nidhogg went so CRAZY. Good movie Coney 👏

[@davidmaximus6709]

Can we take a moment and talk about how CLEAN those models look for Fraymakers. I absolutely loved the look of Vegeta's model in particular, it's just so nice

[@dargin3687]

4:09 Oh snap, it’s me. Thanks for hosting the event Coney! Nidhogg was a great choice.

[@picklenik9658]

The best platform fighter that isn’t a platform fighter, playing in he New Super Mario Wii skeleton rollercoaster level with your friends, but instead of playing Mario you try to kill one another.

[@baryemini4103]

I think chaos factions 2 would be awesome, especially with some of the later stages, stage 10 (the last one in the second world, with the machines) would be especially chaotic and amazing to watch. It should be pretty to setup as it runs on ruffle pretty much perfectly. Also gun mayhem

[@okapi_q]

great tournament, the Blåhaj Blast in fraymakers was truly iconic

[@betchaos7383]

The outfoxies looks amazing, how have I never heard of this before? Namco we need a rerelease on modern platforms stat

[@MrSkerpentine]

Coney: adds in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl The entirety of Smash Con: *did you mean to say “Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee?”*

[@maximyllion]

i'd love to see DAMM at a tourney though

[@MrSkerpentine]

@@maximyllion It’s probably been in a mystery tournament or two at *some point,* right???

[@dahomie253]

Tom & Jerry war of the whiskers is a fun time imo

[@RhythmTheFennec]

TowerFall is an excellent archery-based platform fighter that would be great for this sort of event!

[@Cybertasm8798]

6:18 YOOOO I HAD THIS GAME AS A KID!

[@dylswerb7492]

Nidhogg is such a weird game, I am so glad it ended up in here

[@FrekyD]

Was really fun being on the TO staff for this, most fun I had all weekend, thanks Coney for the sick idea 😀😀 I had to stay strong even when I was bribed $20 to reveal the games but I stood strong for CONEY BABY

[@tinglyjungle]

1:10 why does this Coney picture kinda look like Rob Liefeld’s infamous Captain America promo art

[@shell_of_myself]

I need next year's mystery tournament to have a DougDoug feature. Final game is smash brothers. ALL of smash brothers. A best of 5 that happens in all 5 games simultaneously, and randomly switches between them

[@makogp747]

Theres a game on the ds called "Jump ultimate stars", a shonen jump "platfighter" where you can play as almost every shonen jump character, but it has a deck builder as a manga panel so basically you need to have certain builds. Characters can go crazy such as light yagami instantly killing someone, kurapica from hunterxhunter sealing a players special moves, etc. There IS a tier list, but all I know is Dio jojo is the best because hes a vampire thus he heals over time and with the right deck, he can stall the timer out

[@ODISeth]

I LOVE this post commentary style video. Harkens back to the BTHTGP video you did, but with a bit more of a casual side

[@Slyzors]

if you do end up doing another one of these "Digimon Rumble Arena 2" would be a perfect fit

[@evilded2]

LET'S FUCKING GO THE OUTFOXES

[@meta4knight]

The first smash flash would be a great game to watch

[@ELstudiosGaming]

What would be really funny is if next time you do this, you include the original Super Smash Flash! You know, the one with the Sonic OC and Mr. incredible lmao

[@dismasthepenitent569]

*TWO sonic OCs

[@CarterShaw]

With the terrible camera that ruins 2 player?

[@CarterShaw]

Do Smash Flash 2

[@ELstudiosGaming]

@@CarterShaw Counter argument, Smash Flash 1 would be funnier lol

[@CarterShaw]

@@ELstudiosGaming I thought about that, but the gimmick could run dry due to it being unplayable

[@spongyoshi]

This is so cool, the concept is amazing, I love it a lot! If you want suggestions, I don't know if that really counts as a fighter but Super Mario War on the main stage would be super hype. Amazing fangame that I'm sad that it faded into obscurity because it's so good!!

[@eslamvszombies1713]

You may try to add a Smash fan game in the form of Super Smash Flash 2 or Super Smash Bros Crusade. Most likely won't happen but I wish to see big tournaments of those two Smash fan games

[@robo567]

there was this game called flat form fighter at the indie games section of smash con and it was really cool. it had this minimalist pixelated & black/white aesthetic and i think it would be a good inclusion for another tournament.

[@thewalrus8396]

I NEED to see Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion next year. That was the shit when I was a kid.

[@sakarain]

11:40 I love that you can hear the crowd popoff for this

[@jonathanrobles7377]

I got a jank suggestion. Xena Warrior Princess - Talisman of Fate for the N64. Made by the studio that brought you Superman 64, it is an arena fighter that is full of obtuse moves, small health bars, scummy pixelated representation of actors, and up to 4 player support. Julius Ceasar is in the game, and has a move that does .0001 amount of damage but knocks everyone to the ground. The meta is projectiles- such as hooks, knives, boots, the iconic circle thing, and Lucky Charms cereal that are not obvious to figure out. Its more jank than anything but i could see it being a fun time. Proton Jon has some highlight vods of him messing around with Joxer to give you a good idea of the game.

[@ZachPowers]

First of, the outfoxies was such a fun game to see played, I could see a whole tournament of that being an absolute treat Also, I was absolutely ready for some silly picks like dive kick or lethal league, but the more I think about it, those aren’t exactly “platform” fighters! Really fun event Coney, and great editing FriendAlias, love to see all the stuff you make happen!

[@CNightmare072]

Big recommendation for a POWERSTONE-style fighter: One Piece Grand Battle. It’s a licensed powerstone clone that has decent combat, assists, supers, movement, etc. The sequel gets rid of the “secret” attack gimmick where you use 2 bars but can potentially Instakill if you are behind by enough & bloats the roster w/ clones. Either way, it’s a blast.

[@imjustbread9209]

I can't believe I didn't see my favorite platform fighter mega man 7

[@aidenp6001]

Game recommendation for next year: Cartoon Network PunchYime Explosion! A smash-like featuring al your favorite Cartoon Network characters from the early to late 2000s, including but not limited to: -Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack -Dexter’s Laboratory -PowerPuff Girls -Samuri Jack -Chowder -Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends -Kids Next Door -Ben 10 (the one featuring the aged up cast) -Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy -and more! Featuring Smash Bro’s signature mechanics, from items, knock back percentages, and of corse, ultimates, this game is a no brainer for ANY mystery platform fighter tourney!

[@_mkhaiti_8942]

Ok this is a super obscure fighter but I love it so much. Its the New Super Mario Bros. DS vs mode. Basically Mario and Luigi have to gather stars and can kill each other by jumping on each others head. Its super simple but contains a ton of stragety. Heres a gameplay video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHbViYNshrmVma8si=bv3F3oabtz52iKNh

[@Supertime444]

He's seen and played something like that on his wheel champ series! I forgot which episode it is but it's there! 😁

[@Satarobotta]

This was great to watch, happy to see obscure ones like TMNT smash-up and Outfoxies in the tournament. Also, there is a platfighter very similar to Outfoxies called Superfighters Deluxe, it's pretty good and funny, I think it would be cool to see it on the next tournament, the only problem is that the controls are complicated

[@Jelliott_ssb]

This tournament was SOO good! Can’t wait to watch the next one!

[@camronh14]

this is the greatest No Smash Bros. tournament of all time

[@T_Jester]

Coney is such a great commentator. The amount of hype in his voice makes every match he commentates really crazy

[@fl4re163]

chat was saying this during the stream, but that bit about the super recent tier list for shrek super slam is just wrong, that article is written by an AI. Why they would do that for a game no one had played in 4 years i have no idea, but one of the very first lines calls it a 2d fighter like Guilty gear strive which it's clearly not. Also red riding hood is banned for having an infinite but the first things that show up on google have her in like C tier. The game's scene was pretty active in late 2010s, but died after covid. The community did put out a net play patch in march of this year, but no one has seemed to notice or care. I remember a couple melee content creators were doing content for it in 2018/19 like ludvix, and magic scrumpy, but after that the community fell off of a cliff.

[@themightygatekeeperdefende9755]

Some game recommendations I can think of are Punchtime Explosion, The Ku-Fu Panda game, & that one Japanese one with the Bayblade kid, solid snake, and I think Optimus Prime.

[@TECTONICSMASH]

The Outfoxies actually looks really fun

[@ballisticboo7808]

Same, the stages look so goofy in the best way

[@marshtomp8]

Digimon Rumble Arena 2 should absolutely be at next year's mystery platform fighter tournament

[@TheKnicks2012]

You have a great event in the making. Such a fun and engaging concept. Keep it up! There’s a Billy and Mandy/Tom and Jerry Platform Fighter. Would be so hype especially that Tom and Jerry one. Also would be cool to mix in 1-2 traditional fighting games like Soul Caliber, Killer Instinct, and those ones.

[@theelectricant98]

The Tom and Jerry one is really fun

[@Skytonics]

I'd be stoked if you brought in Lethal League Blaze, that game needs more love.

[@tachibanamarika8980]

Watching the Fraymakers Workshop-only round in this, next year I'd like to suggest CMC+, a Smash Crusade standalone mod designed to be that fan game's PMEX Remix analogue in terms of rounding up a bit-too-big collection of its modding scene, resulting in an utterly unhinged roster and presentation

[@viviankong69]

dude that monkey top hat game looks so fucking insane and fun insanely ahead of its time wow

[@wn4426]

suggestoin for a future fighter> Your Only Move is Hustle It caaaan be slow, since it's a turn-based-ish game, but you can lower the time it takes for moves to be played to make it faster. It's hard to explain, its like DBFZ chess, you should check it out. Or not idc nobody readin this anyway

[@nathaniel4634]

Really cool tournament; I love random stuff like this! For the future, the first three Skylanders games have platform fighter side modes, and I think it would be really neat to see that.

[@galvatron5778]

It's not a platform fighter, but you should have Mortal Kombat Armageddon next year. There's 63 characters in that game. Some are good, some are bad, some are Blaze. I'd love to see the absolute chaos that comes from that roster.

[@IAmPancake]

2 games that I MUST recommend for this sort of thing have to be Rounds by Landfall Games (a deckbuilder platform fighter where you effectively build your character as you go) and Your Only Move Is Hustle (a platform fighter where you take turns putting in inputs on every actionable frame, effectively making a tas battle that plays back in real time afterward)

[@mgbrad5018]

I LOVE both hosting and playing in mystery! So glad you had the support behind this event

[@jlmaoz6165]

You unlocked a core memory that was hidden for decades when you showed me Teenage mutant ninja turtles smash up. Bro I PLAYED THE HELL OUTTA THAT GAME. THANK YOU

[@amaterachu1]

Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion XL would be a dream come true, Coney... For the 5 or 9 active players in said community.

[@MythicMachina]

You know, I was gonna suggest doing Rivals of Aether Workshop stuff if you ever did the tourtament again, but you already did that with Fraymakes. Might still be worth it though because of the sheer amount of chaos the Rivals Workshops has.

[@Trains4]

if you ever do this again PLEASE look into a game called STARWHAL, a game where up to 4 players play as narwhals in a giant bubble in space with a heart on their stomach, the goal being to flop around eachother in zero gravity to hit your opponents heart with your own horn to deal damage, while avoiding your opponents horn yourself. its lots of fun and goofy enough to fit this kind of thing perfectly

[@ImPossiblyElgia]

the kung fu panda platform fighter goes crazy you gotta have that in next years bracket! It's called Showdown of Legendary Legends :)

[@LuSiDious]

I popped the hell off for NIDHOGG at home. The world needs more NIDHOGG. The first one, NOT THE SECOND

[@JaceGarrdok]

I'm shocked Fight of Animals Arena didn't make the cut. No one knows this game got a platform fighter adaptation.

[@EricAssenmacher]

Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion XL would go absolutely nutty in this bracket

[@eye-zitt]

I dunno how you’d set it up, but Jump Super Stars/ Ultimate Stars would be hilarious to watch

[@TehWhiteTiger]

This format is insane. I hope you do more of it.

[@snowyyy009]

I have a recommendation for next year; Knight Club +. Health bar system, characters can use different weapons, honestly very fun game that is INCREDIBLY niche.

[@MilfSlayr]

that or the sequel Duel Arms would be pretty cool

[@ClockWorksb]

If we do end up getting another summit this absolutely has to be an event

[@scottphillips227]

need more of this, so sick to watch

[@Moss_Dude]

Seeing Fraymakers here made me so unbelievably happy

[@SpareFork]

TMNT Smash-Up is just the most nostalgic game ever for me for some reason, but I LOVE it

[@D00D64]

Mario in Fraymakers proves the children yearn for Super Mario War

[@bricenduff2030]

Dair. Look it up. It’s a play fighter with a single move. Nair was the first one but we need to make up for the lack of NASB spikes

[@zechonMod]

that vegeta transform midmatch looked hype af

[@azaleawa]

actually one of the best types of bracket, very happy to see it lfggg :3 content goat tbh

[@Quagg7]

I know its technically not an original platform fighter, but I'd love to see a round dedicated to Brawl Minus next tournament. It's probably my favourite smash bros mod and I imagine it would create some really fun games.

[@AKAProm]

If you could somehow get Super Smash Flash, not the second one but the original first one in there that'd be hilarious. That game is so busted and jank and I love it with my whole heart.

[@griefingg0lem685]

I personally really enjoy Towerfall and Indie Pogo if you want some more modern irregular platform fighters. Also Rounds is a really fun new one.

[@FrostburnICS]

Coney brackets never miss

[@AMotorDrive]

i think the sonic superstars battle mode would be fun to have in next year's event tbh (assuming that mode is good the game hasnt released yet)

[@jackmoore3677]

Tmnt smash up was actually my first platform fighter, way back when I was 8, as soon as I found out about the wall jump attack that was all I spammed. Great memories :)

[@fishies02]

is there a name of all the games shown? some of those that flashed through looked awesome but i don't even know where to begin finding them lol

[@Erossssssss]

footsies is a classic, would be a good culling game for next year's tournament

[@Slayer-gj7ti]

Kirby Fighters 2 is GOATED dude

[@0isthe1]

At 10:58, the one who was playing as the undertaker, he asked someone to choose his character, and I was picked to go up, and I chose the Undertaker for him

[@habitful5701]

if any of the top 16 could confirm coney paid them and didn't just keep that $1,000 in his pocket, that would be great

[@dismasthepenitent569]

Chaos faction 2 would go kinda hard for the next one but it's a flash game with a lot of unlockables so the logistics might be tough

[@theelectricant98]

Ayyy that was my rec too!

[@chronosanaki5174]

Picking The Outfoxies for the final game was a good call

[@uhh.willow]

1:57 “I never ask for likes” *Coney in the last vid I watched* “LIKE THE VIDEO LIKE THE VIDEO LIKE THE VIDEO SUBSCRIBE LIKE THE VIDEO”