I think one of the points of repeat bosses in Pikmin 2 was to show how much stronger you are now with all your new tools, purple pikmin and the knowledge, but they went way overboard in nerfing them.
@letsgetsomeshoes12392 ай бұрын
imo, the repeat bosses are meant to show that they're just a normal part of the planet's ecosystem. These 'bosses' of course are just bugs and would exist regardless of the Captains landing there.
@tylazermk82712 ай бұрын
I agree with both the comment and the first reply
@FrostTheWolfYT14 күн бұрын
I agree with the person saying that he/she agrees with both the comment and the first reply.
@JavRexgteneg2pIift3 ай бұрын
I like how the puffy blowhog from 4 is absent from this list because it's insane that they even made him into a boss.
@owennelson58142 ай бұрын
Nah, he is a coward to put the best boss in SSS+ Tier please do not take this seriously
@thelittleterror2 ай бұрын
And he missed out the titan blowhogs like there gonna get anywhere past d tier
@BIAKaboose2 ай бұрын
It's very telling that Pikmin 1 bosses were scary, tanky, more erratic, and just overall far more dangerous. That's the whole point after all, in Pikmin 1 you are stranded, helpless and afraid, Olimar is only surviving due to the influence of the Pikmin themselves, his lack of understanding of the vastly more hostile planet. Come Pikmin 2, you're no longer on limited life support. You aren't fighting to survive, you're on a treasure hunt. Instead of the panicked commands of a survivor fighting tooth and nail, you return as a seasoned commander, without the pressure of nearly inevitable demise at the forefront of every choice. The difference in design actually does an excellent job communicating the feeling of the games... It'd do a better job of things if purples and sprays didn't turn almost everything into a joke, which I never actually figured out as a kid lol
@elaroarhedgedog88913 ай бұрын
To me, Pikmin 4's smokey prog was best in the night levels. On your first playthrough, you dont know he is there. Due to how the night causes you to split your forces, he is a much bigger threat
@19Szabolcs912 ай бұрын
Yeah, until you realize you can spam him with items in night mode too (and it's probably the best place to use the items which are otherwise overkill).
@elaroarhedgedog88912 ай бұрын
@@19Szabolcs91 my point isn't about playthroughs 2 3 or the rest. I'm talking about that first time. Your critique on the items is a critique on pikmin 4 as a whole, not the prog. Following your logic, the final boss is easy because you can just collect glow seeds and have 1099 pikmin lives to fight him with and 999 of those pikmin don't care about all except the last phase
@maxon6122 ай бұрын
I agree with you and I think that he deserves higher place than Trash because the first time you encounter it is not in the cave. At least, that's what I remember, I fought it in the night missions first. And when he spawns and zooms to the nest and obliterate it with it's range attack !? And then there's multiple !? And Oachie is on another nest ? He was scary ! But then yeah, when I fought him in the cave I was so scared at first and he died in a second and I was like "That's it ? Ok."
@Tralfazz743 ай бұрын
Just another small note on the Breadbug: I love so much that the fight starts when you enter the floor, and you don't even realize it. I remember dropping down, seeing -FINAL FLOOR-, and saying aloud "aaaalright, where's the boss... Alright... Hm.... I guess I'll just start clearing stuff." The Breadbug had taken most the food before I touched him once. He won before I knew he was a threat.
@321cheeseman2 ай бұрын
Feel like Gildemander got done a little dirty here. It's one of extremely few bosses in 4 where you have to do more than indiscriminately charge with Oatchi once, it at least has some potential to do damage unlike many things you rated higher since things can go wrong with Pikmin being attracted to the gold or attacking near the face if they miss one of the boils, and it at least has an original design unlike most bosses in 4. I don't see why it would, for any reason, be placed below the Pikmin 4 Snagret or Crusted Rumpup.
@notthetruedm3 ай бұрын
Let's go finally got to see a video right as it comes out instead of weeks later. Loved the video! I am glad to see I'm not the only one who thought p4 reusing bosses and not buffing them was bad.
@bobdoplay663 ай бұрын
Thanks
@TheMattvf163 ай бұрын
Beat me by an hour!😂 fr though. This is the first time seeing one the day of.
@skitstheskitty27873 ай бұрын
IMO it's unfair to judge Smoky Progg based on the Cavern for a King encounter because the Progg is really just there as a formality. It's like ranking the Pikmin 4 Waterwraith based on its encounter in the same cave. You could argue the entire night mode is there to gas up the Smoky Progg. Individually, it's not that hard, but it's not supposed to be. Its difficulty is very much linked with the pressures and threats of night exploration. It probably still goes lower than what I thought it would be based on difficulty because I played under the assumption the Smoky Progg OHKO'd the Lumiknolls when it doesn't, but it's certainly not piss easy when you're forced to split captains and defend from multiple threats at the same time.
@321cheeseman3 ай бұрын
I dunno man, no one made them put the Smoky Progg in as merely a formality, or give it no health. It absolutely didn't have to be the way it was.
@skitstheskitty27872 ай бұрын
@@321cheesemanThat's true, something like a Groovy Long Legs refight would've made a way better midpoint in Cavern for a King. Though I will actually defend the low health, because you're not meant to fight it with a full squad of Pikmin that deal normal or increased combat damage while your captains are together. You're meant to fight it with 30-50 glow pikmin, who each do 0.5x damage, while your captains are split up, and it's not the only threat on the map, and the health is just right for that IMO.
@furiouscorgi66143 ай бұрын
I feel like Pikmin 4 was designed as Pikmin 3's Normal difficulty... but then they never added higher difficulties. If they made a Hard and postgame Ultra-Spicy, with Ultra Spicy making enemies faster, bulkier, and giving mainly nonlethal enemies ways to threaten enemies, as well as nerfing Oat Cheese and Freeze in general
@reden6662 ай бұрын
What you don't mention here is that the original version of Pikmin 3 on Wii U had only one difficulty, being very close to the Hard difficulty in Pikmin 3 Deluxe on Switch. For some reason they added a simpler difficulty in Deluxe and named it "Normal", even though it really feels like an "Easy" difficulty. And then as you mention Pikmin 4 only has one difficulty and it's clearly not hard. That goes to show how much the Pikmin series got easier throughout its existence (mainly since P3 Deluxe)
@furiouscorgi66142 ай бұрын
@reden666 that's exactly what I mean. Normal is meant to be the default difficulty, which is actually easy. The game isn't made to challenge people who've played Pikmin before, which sucks, because the games aren't hard enough anymore
@nathanblackburn11932 ай бұрын
I think it's weird how the reasons the Pikmin 2 Giant Breadbug is in S tier have literally nothing to do with the Giant Breadbug itself, also in 4 the Giant Breadbug floor has a Bulbear whereas Anode Beetles in Pikmin 2 are only dangerous if you're stupid, "I know you can do the same thing with purples in two but you have to have purples, first of all" When do you not have Purples in Pikmin 2? They are literally the best pikmin in that game, why would you not bring them into every cave? (aside from the Submerged Castle obviously)
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
because purples are a limited resource. I really never understand this argument. if you’re playing pikmin 2 for the second time, ofc you’ll know how to farm purples faster and keep them alive easier. Gluttons Kitchen is usually people’s 4th, 5th, or 6th cave by the time they find it. by then, without repeating caves, they will have 20-25 purples max if they went through Emergence Cave, White Flower Garder, Citadel of Spiders, and Hole of Beasts. A new player isn’t taking all 20 of their non-renewable purples into every cave that they have no information on, especially when pikmin 2 can throw a bunch at you at once. it’s like telling people bosses aren’t hard in Breath of the wild cause Ancient Arrows exist, or that Pokémon games shouldn’t take longer than a few hours since you’re supposed to grind for a 5% Heracross encounter or something. ofc games have multiples ways to win, but unless you’re constantly playing with walkthroughs and guides, you’re not gonna know what those crazy strategies are until the latter parts (in the case of a competent game)
@maxon6122 ай бұрын
But why play a Pikmin game without using all the Pikmins that the game has ? I think I never saw anyone not taking purple Pikmins in Pikmin 2 because they're limited. They are renewable enough to be used in every cave, even when you don't know what's inside. Besides, purple pikmins are a tool the game gives you really early into the game. In your examples being Pokemon and Zelda, your solutions need you doing specific thing before playing the game normally. And lastly, I think that you need to know Pikmin 2 quite well to know how busted the purples are. And if you know that you can decide to play without them, but in a first playthrough, it seems very unlikely to not bring purple Pikmin everywhere. 😅
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
@@maxon612 but I’m not arguing against using purples, I’m telling you that unless you’re repeating caves over and over, you’re not going to have more 20-30 purples max by the time you get to Glutton’s Kitchen. Purples are a limited resource meaning a first time player won’t take ALL their purples everywhere, even if they’re broken they’re also very slow. as you get to mid game and see the amount of enemies that drop out of nowhere and how cramped the sublevels get, you start to lose more pikmin. I’ve played pikmin 2 at least 4 times and have gotten others into the series, I know the game to the point where i know around how many violet and ivory candypop buds are generally in each early cave. my comparison was that in those games you need to still go out of your way to create these broken strategies that are still sometimes found very early, maybe not as early for botw but very early for Pokémon. the point is that a normal person experience pikmin 2 for the first time after playing pikmin 1, or even just playing 2 before any other game, quickly finds out the game doesn’t care about being gentle with the player’s pikmin. seeing that purples can’t be repopulated like red yellow and blues teaches players that they’re rarer. i took purples into every cave my first play through, never all of them, but a few. people also seem to forget that pikmin isn’t a boss marathon game, 2 is a collectathon with many treasures that purple can’t reach without glitches. again, most players aren’t playing pikmin with a guide next to them or farming spicy spray and purples for hours. it’s boring. if we judge every game based off of second playthroughs with all the knowledge we had previously, then most games besides rogue likes would boil down to “just do this cause it’s the strongest thing you can do and win.” part of the fun of pikmin 2 is not knowing what’s coming next and preparing and strategizing.
@SkyEcho7512 ай бұрын
What I'm hearing. Is that Oatchi was introduced later in development and they either they didn't go back to rebalance the fights, or they felt the fights were too hard, so they let the Oatchi basically bypass all the balancing that might have been that were in place prior to his introduction.
@106die3 ай бұрын
I think P4 bosses fall off because it's more focused on dandori and puzzles same way P2 also focused harder on being a colectathon combat just is such a low priority in P4
@mr_Hunterman2 ай бұрын
Every pikmin 2 boss fight is elevated for me by how good the boss theme is
@supahvaporeon2 ай бұрын
Pikmin 4's Snootwhacker does have a scary arena: the white pikmin onion dandori challenge. The gate that blocks the onion has the huge variant, and because of the metal theme, there is a very high chance you might loose pikmin.
@six-fingeredjimmy69773 ай бұрын
Now for the ultimate question: How much better are all the Pikmin 4 bosses if you fight them without Oatchi? Would be totally down to see a mod for Pik4 that just puts one of those oatchi-blocking gates at every boss arena
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
i want this so bad, i loved 4 but the bosses all melted so fast. I’m really considering starting over and playing without Oatchi as much as possible. hopefully that mod also lifts the pikmin 3-type limit
@maxon6122 ай бұрын
Watching this video, I was thinking the same thing ! Beating Pikmin 4 without using Oatchi as much as possible, it sure seems interesting ^^
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
@@maxon612 we may disagree in the sphere of pikmin 2 but we’re linked in 4 fs lmao
@SeanR.-br7gsАй бұрын
Man-At-Legs Is A Pain Without Oatchi
@TyphoonJigАй бұрын
In defense of Pikmin 4 : the real "bosses" of the game were the timed dandori challenges which IMO fits the Pikmin vibe much more than bossfights. The multitasking and planning how many pikmin you put on each task was a really fun part of 1 that I missed and dandori challenges filled that spot nicely.
@PenguinsKings2 ай бұрын
The mammoth snootwacker actually does has an arena with bottomless pits in the fifth level of the master trials
@messiahlee98973 ай бұрын
How about a challenge video about not using Oatchi in pikmin 4 I know it would not be possible but I think it would be interesting to see how many times you have to use him.
@zionpenumbra3 ай бұрын
If I recall I think it’s less than a handful of times. Because there is the bomb explosion trick that can get you up ledges. Same with the mine and bomb trick
@WyGuy20873 ай бұрын
You only need oatchi on day 1, everything after that is possible aside from items hanging on walls
@retrogaming87133 ай бұрын
The first time I fought the smoky prof in Pikmin 4, he immediately killed all my Pikmin instantly😊
@bcaudell953 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I think you're waaaay harsher on 4 than I would be, but I get it. The boss fights are easy, but no game in the series keeps me grinning ear-to-ear as much as 4, boss fights included, and the Sirehound is the best fight they've ever made. Also, one point of order on 4's emperor: they gave him a roar that both frenzies pikmin and wakes up the other one in the arena. That caught me totally off-guard the first time I played, and is worth a whole tier bump by itself imo.
@patroka3 ай бұрын
Wow, I totally agree with basically everything on this list! I feel like that doesn’t happen too often, lol. Guess you just thought things through thoroughly and explained your thoughts well. Either way, great video :)
@MaroonMarlin3 ай бұрын
Yo, that's my tiermaker tier list! Great video!
@Jiyu5672 ай бұрын
I think the whole situation with emperor bulblast can somewhat be excused with age. (disclaimer: Oaachi sucks gameplay wise and just naturally makes the pikmin 4 experience for this boss worse) I wouldnt be surprised if the emperor grows stronger, the older he is. In Pikmin 2 and 4 you have really small and young looking versions, than the bigger one in 4 and finally the og final boss of Pikmin 1, where he is the biggest and clearly oldest. So him being powerful may fall back on the fact, that he is simply "an ancient beast" of the species? At least that is the best theory I can come up with to defend Nintendo´s incompetence at making good boss fights xD
@Twig_the_Blue_Pikmin2 ай бұрын
One thing that should be added to the Titan Dweevil's evaluation is that his attacks STUN ur captains DESPITE being immune if you have the upgrades for them so even just whistling Pikmin to save them is hard if ur getting hit by his attacks directly, such a good boss man
@mabmab44682 ай бұрын
hear me out, in the dlc, oatchi dies, that's the hard mode, and suddenly pikmin 4 bosses are actually interesting and meaningful
@BrothernutSquash3 ай бұрын
Totally didn’t know the smoky Prague could be fought. I thought it was just supposed to be a force of nature that punishes your carelessness, and was completely hopeless when it spawned when I was a kid.
@citrusknight25542 ай бұрын
One thing that makes Groovy Long legs cooler to me is that it IS the music
@Eliasfunplay3 ай бұрын
2:45 One thing you didn't mention is how much more scary it is in the final trial. In challenge mode, if you go into challenge mode's version of the final trial, if you go where the emperor bulblax usually is, nothing will happen except the music change. for the next 9 to 10 seconds, nothing will happen until the beady long legs drop down. I love how this was done because normally, it would be too obvious it would be beady long legs in the sand pit it makes you almost think your instinct was wrong, then surprising you
@chetos00773 ай бұрын
I just had a realization, the closest thing we have to the smoky progg in real life must be a platypus
@chetos00773 ай бұрын
Think about it, mamutas have fur, like mammals, but they lay eggs, the only kind of mammals that lay aggs are monotremes, AKA platypus and echidnas, i would dare to say the smoky progg is closer to platypus since the egg is found near water in the distant spring in pikmin 1 and a mamuta has claws on its hind legs but not (or not so pronounced) on its arms or front legs like a platypus do, plus, specifically the body shape of a smoky progg is more similar to a platypus one, with a bigger face and almost or no neck at all, if this theory of mine was true, mamuta larvae would probably keep more traits from their ancestors before they hatch or grow up, a mouth for example.
@JennaB0benna7 күн бұрын
Thank you, I had about an hour before I needed to sleep. This is working for me haha 🤣
@lightdragonslayer9630Ай бұрын
I will say that I haven't beaten 4 yet but I absolutely love groovy long legs. Absolutely my favorite boss in Pikmin
@LightBluexSkies8 күн бұрын
just for letting u know, its super easy to cheese the scornet mistro is very easy to cheese, you can throw a leader to the opposite sides of the arena and your 2 other leaders to the other side, go on your leader with no pikmins and when it does its attack, it will lock on your captain with no pikmins and ull be able to hit it from to back by switching back to ur leader with pikmins, i kill it in less then a minute and 30 seconds with no deaths…
@wizardii49612 ай бұрын
39:02 He is actually buffed. It's just that you have so many options to cheese him. Everything that isn't strictly rush proof gets rolled except the final boss. And bombs do solve him. However, if you just go in with a squad of reds like I did. Turns out the first encounter in Kingdom of Beasts is actually one of the hardest fights in the game. It's two Emperors in a tiny room, that have more health than the ones in 2 and when you wake one, it will immediately wake up the other. Additionally I'm pretty sure they're slightly quicker and also are much better at turning than in 2.
@Mattquatch12 ай бұрын
I feel like Pikmin 4 has the best exploration and puzzles and i really love that it has a bunch of shortcuts that you slowly discover, it reminded me a lot of demon's souls with the discovery and pacing. Pikmin 3, on the other hand, while having the best boss fights by a long shot was super linear and the normal gameplay felt boring and like a chore to me.
@bitterspray3 ай бұрын
Calcified Crushblat at A is crazy
@Arnatthebeach3 ай бұрын
Above beady from pikmin 1 is criminal
@Apppl-With-A-E3 ай бұрын
Hes such a goober though
@megastarwarsrocks993 ай бұрын
That’s not a boss it’s a normal enemy
@nyon72093 ай бұрын
a few things I disagree with (meerslug might be impressive, but I wouldn't call the fight awesome), but overall, pretty accurate.
@Redacted2525Ай бұрын
I feel like you had a freaking vendetta against pikmin 4 bosses for no reason. Most bosses have a way to be cheesed and just because you always charge at the boss with full power ochi doesn’t mean it’s a easy fight because you can make that same argument for most bosses in pikmin 2 using purple spam.
@THEUUNKNOWNNАй бұрын
I agree with something especially with some of the pikmin 4 thing because like he said the boss are kinda predictable, there slow, don't have much hp, and otachi's existence just nerfs them Because also like he said in pikmin 3 the boss had all this hype and brovo about them the actual seemed like bosses Also taking with my siblings we both agree that the like jankyness of the first a second game also made them better because of it being harder to manage yourself qnd you Pikmin while predicting the boss but with 3 and 4 it's so clean now that it makes it easier
@thelittleterror2 ай бұрын
52:35 it makes sense. He is the FIRST ENEMY YOU FIGHT IN THE ENTIRE GAME.
@D3fau1t-S3tt1ngАй бұрын
I would argue that your assessment of the armored cannon beetle from Pikmin 1 neglected a detail that might have affected it positively. The armored cannon beetle is basically every new player's first glance at what a boss might be. even to this day I remember being apprehensive about it just chilling in its arena. based on that I might be inclined to put it in B tier as it's iconic but not really deadly or even necessary to fight.
@19Szabolcs912 ай бұрын
Also, I generally consider Pikmin 1 the best with bosses, as they are very well integrated into the world, as actual creatures living there, for the most part. Even when they have dedicated arenas like the Beady Longlegs and Emperor Bulblax, it has a natural jumpscare, like you'd expect from such predators, which I much prefer to the way Pikmin 3 does it where a bossfight is telegraphed in advance, has intro cutscene, etc. Like what you said for the Smoky Progg too, it hatches from the egg and you have no idea what it even is or how strong it's gonna be. The 3 Snagrets are like the best, you encounter one, get scared, try to run away, and OMG there's more of them. Ironically, the closest that comes to this is Pikmin 4, where, yes, most of these creatures are incredibly easy, but they are natural part of the overworld. (not so much in caves)
@Stimmtso42 ай бұрын
I kinda like how they put Souvereign Bulblax, Master Hopp and I think a Giant Bulborb in the game to kinda tie Hey! Pikmin into all of this. To show "Hey, this is is a species, not a one off enemy, here's different sices.
@legionbeast2 ай бұрын
45:57 Don't forget, for some arbitrary reason in Pikmin 4, they removed Breadbug dens. Without these dens, Breadbugs who win a tug of war and get the treasure back to their den instantly kill all the pikmin still on the treasure. The dens were also a point in 2 that made the fight harder as when they had a treasure in the den, that treasure was no longer something you could use for tug of war, forcing you to kill the anode beetles and use them as bait. Yes, you could feasibly lose all the treasure and bodies to breadbugs and literally have nothing but the giant breadbug on the final level, but at that point I'm literally going to say Skill Issue.
@BucketnettaАй бұрын
The original idea for oatchi was a bulb bear min. So a bigger bulbmin that looks like a bulbear that the pikmin could ride on the back of over water and stuff. I think pikmin 4 would’ve been better if oatchi was cave exclusive in only some caves
@autismandgaming45322 ай бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever been so pissed off at a video in my entire life
@ZGuy0fSci2 ай бұрын
its like 4th game is an entry game for new and old/returning players. But yeah we need games to have hardmodes along with beginner ones.
@blakeerlenbeck-jd1sq3 ай бұрын
Nobody going to mention the horned canon beetle
@HapLord2 ай бұрын
Pikmin 1 : bosses with fun elements and challenging Pikmin 2 : bosses with fun elements and challenging Pikmin 3 : fun thematic bosses with multiple phases Piknin 4 : Its the fockin dog's fault.
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
i knew you’d agree with me on the pikmin 2 bosses 😭
@GravityBouncer2 ай бұрын
well for the most part lmao
@wulfric72022 ай бұрын
I feel like if you count the entire dungeon for the WW, you should count the cave for the Phosbat. I dont even like the phosbat, but i feel like that is fair.
@phi26533 ай бұрын
Meerslug and Scornet in S tier but not Mireclops....
@Camo-xf7yc3 ай бұрын
The fact that the Foolix has more health than literally most of the other boss fights in Pikmin 4 entirely speaks to how poorly handled the boss fights were in 4. Especially since the Foolix is meant to be one of the first bosses you face yet it somehow has more health than most of the late game bosses (and yes it does have more health than enemies that are way bigger than it like the Sovereign Bulblax and the Groovy Long Legs). I know Pikmin 2 did nerf a lot of its returning bosses but I could at least see more of a reason for it since they nerfed a lot of enemies from 1 in terms of health because they were intending to use them in conjunction with eachother in different ways that 1 didn't do. For example the Burrowing Snagret was made easier but they did it with the intent on using the Snagrets more often in one floor, most notably in the Snagret Hole or Hole of Heroes. In Pikmin 4 however they did try to make the bosses more bulky or try to return them to Pikmin 1 levels of HP but it doesn't entirely work because you have access to so many more powerful options than you did in the other games like Oatchi, Ice Pikmin, spicy sprays, Rock Pikmin, bomb rocks, lightning shocks, etc. Honestly seeing how much Pikmin 4 fumbled in many ways just makes me appreciate Pikmin 2 even more for everything it does right, I would much rather have a Pikmin game that pushes the difficulty a little bit too far than a Pikmin game that doesn't push the difficulty barely at all.
@Klyxlik2 ай бұрын
I just cheesed the empress bulblax in the final cave for pikmin 4 by taking it out with bombs.
@zswords2 ай бұрын
I try not to come into one of these with the expectation that 'oh god the nostalgia glasses are on' but for some of these criticisms in later games its hard not to draw that conclusion. EX: The Rum Pup getting ragged on for not being dangerous because his attacks are glacially slow and he only eats 5 pikmin at a time. You know who else is not dangerous because they attack glacially slow and only eat 3 pikmin at a time? Pikmin one Snagret. You know who else is not an interesting fight because they arbitrarily gave it more health without making it more difficult like putting the Quillion on a pedestal? Pikmin one Snagret. (Actually pikmin 1 anything here. Things in that game just have infinity HP) Now I'm not saying that there aren't some valid comparisons in how pikmin has gotten easier as time goes on, cause it has, but some bosses are getting completely dumpstered unfairly in spite of that. Gildemander is a great fight for having tools that distract your pikmin, an active interaction with Oatchi charge to reward using the dog to their fullest, and can't be blitzed, in a similar manner to Foolix. There's even choice in if you actually take the time fully destroy the gold piles or just focus on trying to blitz the boss while dealing with it. Man at Legs actually changed a fair bit in pikmin 4 and does a good job of iterating on the boss's boring 'don't get shot' strategy and was actively changed and designed with the Oatchi circle strafe in mind. The fight really isn't that much harder once you get the rhythm down when to pull back, and what was formally like 20 seconds of standing there doing nothing is now an actual active effort you have to put in. Snowflake Fluttertail is a themed encounter that makes use of the cave's gimmicks and also shares the 'more common than you think' trait of not being completely blitzable by an Ochi charge, at least requiring some set up and interaction first. None of this is really, acknowledged, for some reason, even though it marks the main complaint you have for a lot of the Pikmin 4 bosses... Which, really, turns around to the simple fact that in pikmin 4, it's less 'the enemy design is bad/worse' and more 'Oatchi is so good they are debatably bad for the game'. Which is MOST relevant at a high level with people who are using all of their tools to the fullest, which is especially common amongst series vets, but for newer players where 4 is their first game, a lot of the 'too easy' fights, are about on par with their predecessors. ... Then there are things like the Master Hop. Like, why? So yeah, wanted to get that ramble out of the way. Carry On carrying on with the pikmin antics. :U
@Isaidleavedude2 ай бұрын
I think I just suck, I struggled with multiple of these Pikmin 4 bosses, I haven’t even played a Pikmin game before that though, also isn’t this a kids game? I feel like the difficulty is okay when you remember it is a game for kids
@agentclank81833 ай бұрын
Goated video
@BendyTheToon2 ай бұрын
There are two crushblats The second one is on the final level is olimar's comeback,with a pyroclasmic slooch,a watery blowhog and a bearded armprat
@pressaTD2 ай бұрын
I was only counting bosses in story mode
@Furretarepikmin15 күн бұрын
I ranked every pikmin enemy once it was a 10/10 experience would do again.
@tricusgames2602Ай бұрын
I think the nerf of purples was good, the problem was ouchi and ice Pikmin are to fucking OP and enemys don't have much health
@nathanterho-streck5546Ай бұрын
So in total, most bosses suck in pikmin 4 because 1.Oatchi 2. Auto lock on 3. Ice pikmin
@kijukitten2 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie i don't like judging the fight based on Oachi in 4, that's the entire game . i feel like there is at least something to talk about without him, like it has to be mentioned but, like i feel itss more about the game than the fight like the entire 4 section is just "Oachi ruins the fight"
@pressaTD2 ай бұрын
I know but Oatchi is a huge part of that game, I can’t just ignore him
@kijukitten2 ай бұрын
@@pressaTD honesstly fair, I wish you couldd turn him off or something at timesss, i love him but i found the run where i ussed him only for jumping more fun
@bossrosslp3 ай бұрын
Where are the Pikmin Bloom bosses? (You know, the ones that shout at you when you're playing on "private property" or whatever, really weird mechanic that.)
@necronixgravedigger74552 ай бұрын
Moral of the story: Pikmin 2 has some of the best and worst bosses in the series: the only bosses below c tier are those that were nerfed into the ground from previous games, with 2 bosses in B, 1 boss in A and a staggering 4 in S, which means 7 out of its 12 bosses are B and above (7 out of 9 if you don't include the nerfed into the ground rematches)... It's the perfect example that you shouldn't re-add bosses and nerf them into the ground, whilst you are more powerful... Pikmin 3 did a great job with this, as they rarely reused bosses, and the new ones are some of the best in the series. For some reason, they didn't seem to go through with this in Pikmin 4... And it clearly shows... The Cavern for a king Empress is an exception, but still... They did make a few much better bosses, but the others lack the pizazz, fun and difficulty of those of the other games...
@FlishonyanKing2 ай бұрын
I can't believe the scornet maestro is in S tier. Literally such a braindead boss to fight. I'm not sure if they forgot the game has multiple captains when they made the fight or thought that it was ok to make a boss that easy to counter, but I don't think I've ever lost a pikmin to the maestro. The only reason you can't 1 cycle it is the damage cap on it. I'm not a fan of the p3 boss style in general but at least most of the others are well designed.
@SeanR.-br7gsАй бұрын
We Need Version With The Best Pikmin Game, Hey! Pikmin
@ScubaShark88573 ай бұрын
This is gonna sound weird, but I feel like you have a lot less pauses in speech when you’re not reading from a script. I like your content, but I think that the way you talk without a script is much more enjoyable.
@kosah_hedron2 ай бұрын
Actually, you can cheese the Scornet Maestro in the same exact way as the Raging Bloyster. I love both though 🫶
@minixd53833 ай бұрын
Goated honestly
@dylannoonan6403 ай бұрын
I want a challenge run of Pikmin 4 without ochie in the boss fights to see how they are when you don't have a dog
@septimustache63592 ай бұрын
Pikmin 4's bosses are great.... If they removed Oatchi
@FirstWhiteBunny3 ай бұрын
Why your face matches your voice so good?
@owenanderson822424 күн бұрын
Unfortunate that you dislike the Pikmin 4 bosses as much as you do, bc I find them super fun. Sure they’re easy, but I don’t rlly play Pikmin for super hard gameplay. Not that there’s a problem with hard Pikmin, hell my favorite boss in the series is the Titan Dweevil bc of how hard it is, but I still have no personal issue with laid back but fun bosses. Still, it’s a fair problem, but unfortunate to say the least.
@Athesies2 ай бұрын
That is not what i expect you to look like lol, your voice makes you sound so young. That beard looks dope af tho
@jorgeserver76203 ай бұрын
Phos bats underrated
@BucketnettaАй бұрын
Am I the only one who found the small room boss fight with the empress easy?
@MexicanEmpire-tf4jv2 ай бұрын
I just almost never ride oatchi and use motion controls to not auto lock on to make pikmin 4 hard
@dominicervig2 ай бұрын
I believe the reason boss fights in the fourth game are so bad is because of Nintendo's choice to cater to a younger/inexperienced audience. To expand the fan base to new players forces the developers into two paths: 1) to make the game just like the previous 3 and harder for the newer audience and satisfy the Pikmin veterans or 2) make the game much easier than the other 3 and disappoint the fans of the other 3. Especially with auto locking and Oatchi make the game much more frustrating for those who played a lot of the first two games. Unlike the overpowered purples in 2, Oatchi is there from the beginning and his upgrades never go away so there really is no threat to the very feature breaking the game. Auto locking as mentioned cheeses some fights, and gets in the way for experienced players when they intend to throw their pikmin somewhere the game says no to. And as Iamonlyhereforpikmin said in one of his videos it is annoying when multiple targets are in the same vicinity that creates some unnecessary endangerment to pikmin. Also to think that they didn't consider making difficulties like Pikmin 3 is very strange because of how mind numbing the whole combat part is the developers could have at least made some difficulties for more experienced players. Hopefully in newer games, they will turn this around and provide a little bit of something for everyone to enjoy, and especially make boss fights thrilling to play no matter how many times anyone plays it
@CaptainPlayguy3 ай бұрын
So... Press A! likes to play with spider feet?
@helliagaming62552 ай бұрын
After beating pikmin 4 oachiless i would say a lot of my opinions of pikmin 4s bosses has changed, you move SO slowly that a lot of the time its like your sitting on a silver platter just for the boss, the gildamander TURNS faster than the captains movement speed making it REALLY hard to get pikmin onto its back and dont get me started with man at legs new gun speed that was made for oachis running speed, which means if there is no more cover for your pikmin then they will simply die from his bullets. Pikmin 4s bosses were balanced around oachi (not too well since oachi makes the game baby easy) but once you remove him you realize how bullshit some of the bosses are.
@randomnpc4452 ай бұрын
Oatchi as a movement tool wouldn't even be that bad if he didn't clump your Pikmin together. It turns dodging attacks into a complete joke. There's definitely a happy middle ground to be had if the Pikmin trailed after him like normal.
@helliagaming62552 ай бұрын
@@randomnpc445 i can see that kinda working
@gsuaveyt2 ай бұрын
Someone didnt play pikmin 4 deluxe, you missed two
@JamisRobertson2 ай бұрын
Man sed without further ado lets start and then shilled insted of starting
@Abbysalvoid-jj4it3 ай бұрын
Foolix at B is crazy
@Obstagoon8622 ай бұрын
What about the golden Baldy/Shaggy Long Legs from Pikmin 3 Deluxe's side story?
@letusplays13 ай бұрын
In the armored cannon beetle clip I feel like the reason it didn’t work is because you were slightly too early.
@kibbets29113 ай бұрын
1:20 he literally threw 6 Pikmin at it
@tabletaccountverbeek13172 ай бұрын
He forgot pikmin 4 mamoutha
@AnAveragePurplePikmin3 ай бұрын
Titan Dweevil should ve in F-tier he killed Booger Face
@boisvert453 ай бұрын
Beady is goated
@Baconisloved1002 ай бұрын
repikked 3 got an update (i think)
@sharkdoesstufff3 ай бұрын
Press A, you look like my uncle, that's not a bad thing, the only thing I have to say is your voice doesn't fit your face at all imo :( But I love your voice and you look hella gangsta even if I don't feel your face matches your voice, you both look hella gangsta and sound hella gangsta
@ChadKnapmiller3 ай бұрын
hello breadbug lovers
@Pokemonman8732 ай бұрын
So basically you hate oatchi
@fanofindiegamesunpopulargames3 ай бұрын
Wheres the Pikmin 3 DX bosses? aren't there some new spiders or am i mistaken?
@wastelandlegocheem25 күн бұрын
I tgink the progg in 4 is GOOD but worse. Doesnt deserve trash tier but the other placements make sense
@gregericson48683 ай бұрын
You missed Puffy Blowhog in Pikmin 4, Titan Blowhog and the Blizzarding Blowhog also from Pikmin 4, the Jumbo Bulborb from Pikmin 4, and the Pikmin 4 version of Mamuta. Also Calciflied Crushblat and Bulborb Larva aren't bosses.
@DragonEleven3 ай бұрын
Personally, I probably wouldn't classify all of these as full blown bosses, and would actually consider a lot of the lower ranked enemies to be mini-bosses instead... especially those that were re-used from previous games, as being downgraded from boss to mini-boss would explain their nerfing. Also, I kind of feel like the ranking of a lot of the Pikmin 4 enemies is a bit unfair on the enemies themselves because of how much of an impact Oatchi had on their fights... using Oatchi is almost like playing the game on easy mode, so maybe it would be fairer to judge them based on an encounter without using Oatchi.
@peepsterman25572 ай бұрын
but oatchi is big part of the game.. if you have to judge a boss fight based on not using a massive element of the game in order to even see what the boss does then it is a poorly designed boss
@DragonEleven2 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say he was a massive element of the game... he's one of the main gimmicks of the game, and is important to the story, but is not actually needed for the majority of the gameplay. Outside of the intro (where you have no choice but to use him) there are only a few obstacles where he is needed, but most of them would probably just have been tackled using a second leader in the previous games... as far as combat goes I'm pretty sure you could beat everything without using him.
@peepsterman25572 ай бұрын
@@DragonEleven yeah while you could beat mostly the whole game without him, that doesnt change the fact that he is a big part of the game if youre playing like a normal person and not doing some stupid challenge mode. using this reasoning, purple pikmin and white pikmin arent a big part of pikmin 2 since you can beat the game without them
@El_lanzaguisantitos10Ай бұрын
53:31 I would put it in s because it is easy
@nicolasn123 ай бұрын
I won't watch the video now but Giant Breadbug Z tier frfrfr also tier list link?
@WillyLongLegs2 ай бұрын
Hey i think you accidently put Arctic Shaggy long legs in C instead of S,just wanna let you know.🕷️🕷️🕷️
@thetophatguyandroid59593 ай бұрын
From what pokemon game is the track at the intro of the video?
@markerikson74232 ай бұрын
41:08 That's Snow-FAKE Fluttertail, *FAKE* like you for disrespecting my beloved.