i really don't like the future of YouTube.

[@LowLevelTV]

AI isn't going to take your jobs. go learn to code at lowlevel.academy (on sale)

[@romahkao]

Ok

[@ScarletsWork]

That's correct, they won't.

[@samiraperi467]

Plot twist: I'm unemployed.

[@ScarletsWork]

@@samiraperi467 Plot twist continuation: You had a digital only job

[@YuriiAdvakhov]

How do we know you are not an AI avatar already?

[@salty4life]

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." -Edward Abbey

[@fazin85]

@@salty4life damn

[@TheHadMatters]

"Maybe we're biologically meant to be cancer cells." - some dogmatic self-ascribed open market capitalist.

[@clementpoon120]

that makes big corporations tumours of humanity, makes a lot of sense if you think about it

[@DariusOutdoors]

@@clementpoon120 That makes humanity tumours of Earth. So many books and movies about it. Most famously the Matrix. Only there Smith compares humans to the virus not cancer. The virus is fairly similar in its approach to kill the host and thereby itself. Only over many iterations / mutations of the virus does it learn to not kill its host. I'm not sure if cancer does that too but some species are more resilient when it comes to that.

[@farhanrejwan]

@@clementpoon120 indeed. never thought like this. and it makes more sense as we see more of it.

[@MusingsAndIdeas]

AI shows exactly why engineers hate marketing and sales

[@zoeherriot]

It feels exactly like that. It’s the latest sugar rush with no substance. AI has many really valuable applications - pretending to be a creator is not one of them.

[@ai-aniverse]

how so?

[@theobrominator]

exactly… no one is really pushing cancer research with AI or similar with these announcements 🤔

[@rockets4kids]

It's not just engineers --- kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5mcqIaqmbWeh7s

[@ai-aniverse]

@@zoeherriot Are you an engineer? Because that's not why engineers don't like sales and marketing. Its because they invent features we have to deliver on. The comical thing about all the anti-ai people is 99% of your 'reasoning' sounds like bad AI output. Worse even. Also its interesting you use the word 'pretending' as if you are the arbiter of who is and isnt a creator. The arrogance...

[@vastocarzz]

so where’s your evil twin brother, high level?

[@t74devkw]

I think that’s Theo

[@Saitanen]

@@t74devkw Confirmed. Theo is high 99% of the time.

[@TheVirtualArena24]

Theo joe?​@@t74devkw

[@DrCoomerHvH]

@@Saitanen Skater boy from California

[@disinfect777]

@@Saitanen About as often as he's wrong then

[@lifelover69]

enshittification will continue until morale improves

[@martinseal1987]

😂

[@Reverse-Isekai_Victim]

*until morale collapses

[@mcstando]

it's not a bug, it's a feature

[@SigmaOxygen]

😮‍💨

[@truedatrue2744]

*Capitalism FTFY

[@ShinDMitsuki]

"Do you care?" Yes. Even if every other person in the world doesn't care, I do, and will just go somewhere else at that point.

[@psyjax2]

The average youtube user consumes mostly slop on youtube. Go incognito some time and look at what's getting views. It's all garbage. Some of the biggest channels are just low effort trash. I'm not surprised at all by the notion that the future is more AI. AI is an incredibly efficient way to make slop. That said, quality content like Low Level Learning, will always be appreciated by a core dedicated audience

[@googleforcedhandle]

they consume slop because youtube pushes it

[@leonidas14775]

Sometimes the search works better in incognito mode if you want something specific. It doesn't do that "For you" garbage

[@icicleditor]

Further than that, slop has been a stapel of KZbin for 10+ years from the oversaturation of gaming commtaries to mr beast mimicry, i dont think much will change if you follow exclusively real people/smaller channels on yt Edit: wait i forgot yt loves to push unwanted features and ai slop is no different thats gross and stupid

[@fabiolean]

AI is going to implode not because the content it produces is trash but because there are much much cheaper ways to produce reams of trash. Every single generative AI company is running at a massive loss. If prices rise to match costs the few paying customers they actually have will flee and all these AI companies are going to zero. If they never raise their prices they're going to run out of other peoples' money to burn and all these AI companies are going to zero.

[@autohmae]

I'm amazed how many people still fall for clickbait... because that's the kind of content we are talking about.

[@rickh6963]

I immediately select "Do Not Recommend Channel" when I suspect the script/voice/imagery is AI generated. If I want AI created crap, I'll make it myself.

[@dsfs17987]

also add every single video that is between 8:00 and 8:15 minutes long, it is guaranteed garbage to maximize the number of ads they can possibly shove at you

[@bananesalee7086]

is there a way to reliably know if it's AI ?

[@PercyNPC]

@@bananesalee7086real human have emotion. If they're not making a joke or laugh that's AI. Even if they do you can tell it's AI or human. No body talking perfectly smooth on same tone without stop a little bit for thinking.

[@rockets4kids]

@@bananesalee7086 Read up on the Turing Test.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@bananesalee7086 AI content is (usually) lazily produced, so you can often tell by the AI voice actor mis-reading the ChatGPT-generated script it was fed. For example, while a human would know that "James Bond 007" is James Bond double-oh seven, an AI would read it as "James Bond zero zero seven". THe videos will be things like compilations, top 10s, best of/worst of lists, and similar kinds of videos where AI can do most of the work.

[@veers0r]

I don't think this is just a youtube problem. This might just be the start of the internet falling apart. Any somewhat 'open' platform is susceptible to being flooded with ai noise and it doesn't really look like we'll be able to automatically identify it and so far I really don't see a solution to the problem that doesn't involve gatekept communities, moving things back to meat space or a combination of those two. There might be some trade of with building a web of trust, but even then it's trading resilience to ai corruption for (distributed) gate keeping. It honestly feels like we are heading towards a dark age of technology in which ai noise drowns out humanity.

[@firecat6666]

Honestly, I don't mind AI generated content as long as it's meaningful, insightful or interesting to me in some way or another. But then again, I'm one of those people who think people on the internet aren't real out of principle.

[@Nathan_Higgens]

at the same time, it could bring about a new era, where people who wish to escape the mess of slop gather together in forums and new people-only social apps. It will essentially bifurcate into ipad kids vs. slop-haters

[@theX24968Z]

this is coming at a time where the "age of easy money" is making any tech venture more expensive and reliant on profitable returns to even pursue.

[@loopinnerthe]

AI is already eating its own waste on the internet...

[@d.bannings]

Dead Internet Theory

[@tru2thastyle]

They're not even solving a problem, anyone had. It's just a bunch of gimmicks!

[@theX24968Z]

incorrect. they are solving a problem the investors had of "line wasn't going up fast enough" / "returns on our VC investments weren't coming quick enough"

[@tru2thastyle]

@@theX24968Z 😂

[@bornach]

@@tru2thastyle AI avatars solves the problem of KZbin/Meta having to share ad revenue with creators. Once everyone is watching only Google owned avatar channels, they get to keep all the ad revenue for themselves. All streaming platforms (video/music/podcast/gaming) will end up doing this.

[@MattPratt]

We are converging on the fact that meatbags prefer the bullshit. Why be told the truth when you can watch only what aligns with your world view, now curated with AI?

[@dieSpinnt]

@@bornach Well, at least humans are needed for making up new kind of straw-men. "Once everyone is watching only ...", is absolute nonsense. Just take us both as an example: We would rather die than watching such soulless, fact free and boring content. People want to identify and socialize with and around their creators. A.I. content will stay the joke it is now. But let's give you that point for the moment and say it's true, that google will do such (btw. criminal) stuff. Then: I DO NOT CARE! And you do not care either. It's a free country and I watch that what I want and not the things that hurt me or bore me. You should try it, too. That thing is called MEDIA-COMPETENCE. You have to actively work on yourself, learn, reflect and question your own behavior. Then change it for the better good. What the absolute cluster-F are you talking about anyways? The narrative of the "easy to influence and immature customer/viewer", "remote-controlled puppets" and "the immature citizen" (good thing that you are here to help ...) was always over-exaggerated BS, a myth, a scapegoat. But I think the prophecy is great. I'm guessing it's Christian upbringing, right? Have a great and copyright fraudsters (=ALL something-something-AI users and abusers) free day!:)

[@Granola-ld1by]

i firmly believe there's a maximum slop to meaningful content ratio that the average person is willing to accept. they're trying to shove us into Plato's cave and make us accept the dancing shadows as our new friends and it's not going to work

[@PhilipJReed-db3zc]

Haha. That's is beautifully stated. I might just steal this brazenly.

[@firecat6666]

It worked for the people in Plato's cave. They were born in there, though. Wait, are people getting born right now? Oh shi-

[@Brahvim]

@@firecat6666 Gen-alpha, may the real God and _not corporate_ bless you.

[@theX24968Z]

it wont work until we notice its been happening for a decade and they've been lying to us about it the entire time. and even then it will end just like platos cave, where we willingly accept the new future.

[@filthyfrankblack4067]

@@firecat6666 Gen Alpha was born in it, raised in it, molded by it.

[@jay_sensz]

It's the Metaverse all over again, but somehow even dumber and more dystopian.

[@TheRadischen]

enshitification in progress

[@berserkforce1809]

full speed ahead no turning back now

[@patricknelson]

love Cory Doctorow.

[@TsukatsukiRio]

the YOU in youtube not being about YOU anymore shows google doesn't care about the creators long ago

[@fbot2010]

“the creators” is often referred to as the pre-existing extinct civilization, in SciFi, like Star Trek,… yikes!

[@autohmae]

So yeah, AItube

[@Un_Pour_Tous]

You cant go back to 2006 youtube. It's dead.

[@EximiusDux]

I wonder how old people need to be on average to still know what a "tube" is in terms of Television and how it related to the name "You Tube".

[@nil0bject]

Imagine a company being personified and emotionally blackmailed and into caring about us. lol

[@sloanphone2323]

Removing the 'you' from KZbin

[@gicharu]

AI consumes human made content, AI generates content, humans stop generating content, AI consumes AI content, AI gets worse overall.

[@auniversa]

AI becomes anew ; takes over evolution and the virtual space is a variation of the future.

[@JamesTDG]

@universaa that just sounds too optimistic. If you've seen an AI get trained of it's own training data, the model decays. This model decay doesn't just magically invert if you keep on decaying the model

[@gearboxworks]

I have been pondering this - as most have - and I think we cannot know if those who create AI models will or will not find solutions to this problem. I have been wondering if the solution may not be training not on the wide web but actually training on bespoke original content where content is created to, say, support a company's product can not also become a profit center where the AI companies pay the company for (exclusive?) access to their knowledge bases? Anyway, accurately projecting the future is an impossible problem, so something to ponder. 🤔

[@auniversa]

@@JamesTDG Haha; you've gotta re-think the word anew am talking about a different AI; this is not the generative bs of today...

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

The Slop Cycle.

[@alvaromoe]

6:46 OF COURSE I CARE! It's a journalistic piece, the worst example you could've picked. It needs sources and the author needs to FULLY agree with what's in the video. His credibility is on the line, his whole reputation. He cannot just hand that over to ChatGPT. I cannot believe what they are saying, they don't understand what they are talking about.

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

Climate crisis, brutal conflicts and AI-based human replacement... The full package deal nobody asked for,

[@tehmoros]

One dystopian future coming right up...

[@paradoxicalcat7173]

MMCC is Communist BS.

[@fullaccess2645]

the only real problem in that list is climate change and maybe the war if you live in/near the conflict

[@NihongoWakannai]

​@@tehmoros why is our cyberpunk dystopia so boring compared to the movies smh

[@RiwenX]

Don't worry, Harris/Trump will save us all, just make sure you are voting as if your life depended on it!

[@NabilTharwat_]

As someone who spends most of my learning and recreation time on KZbin, I'm noticing too many channels now that are producing fully AI-produced videos, from the voice over to the thumbnail. It feels unnatural and cheap.

[@spht9ng]

The concerning thing is the next generation probably won't care because it will be all they know.

[@NabilTharwat_]

@@spht9ng they already don't care even when they're told it's AI, its appalling

[@NihongoWakannai]

​@@spht9ng we already saw this with microtransactions in videogames. A lot of the younger generation doesn't understand why we complain about it.

[@clray123]

When you have control over brains of young people you can pretty much shape them into whatever you wish. You can raise religious fanatics. You can raise communists. You can raise adorers of nazi dictators. And you can raise docile AI content consumers, happy with their virtual reality and generally consuming fewer natural resources as a result. I think this is the exact grand plan - make "eco-friendly" subdued humanity, so that more of the real world is left to the ultrarich and their offspring. It is very important that this new humanity accepts its technoslavery and does not revolt against it, therefore it has to be carefully orchestrated and ingrained from the very young age. Like like you would train an animal to live in captivity.

[@SpookyDeCat]

Almost everything I watch on utube (I don't have or want cable or satellite) is history/documentary/learning/guy stuff. I really don't want my content to be AI generated.

[@theX24968Z]

you're a little late fyi. i mean you can choose between "disinformation channel feeding you the viewpoints of a historical event from a foreign adversary of the country you live in" or "wikipedia page read aloud by an ai voice of your choosing". only difference is you wont get to choose whether its generated, it will become ai generated and you'll be told its not.

[@jensenraylight8011]

Too bad, anything that "Hype Bros" touch will become a cancer, they'll oversaturate the market, scam everyone with their Cashgrab AI contents , and take down the entire Platform with them. we already saw this again and again, Startup bros, Crypto bros, NFT bros, Web3 Bros.

[@chrislowe6926]

5:43 The idea that KZbin could use Generative AI to create a video with the depth of analysis and new information that I look for from a human KZbin creator is absolutely crazy.

[@E101GC]

I'm gonna guess and say youtube didn't say anything about using A.I to stop the sexually suggestive videos being targeted at children👾

[@Avendesora]

Or the graphic child exploitation and animal abuse videos being uploaded by spam bots

[@mortadelaok]

I still don't understand why advertisers don't push Google to do something about it, I don't think that they would want their brands to appear next to that type of content. Even if they don't care about children, they should care about money

[@E101GC]

@@Avendesora Spam bots, like yourself👾

[@Avendesora]

@@E101GC Yup, that's me. Single-noun username, custom Nic Cage profile Pic, all the trappings of a bot.

[@E101GC]

@@Avendesora 😔 Sorry man, my gullible self got tricked by one before 👾

[@PercyNPC]

I hate AI generated contents. I support real human contents like you or arts and animations made by real human. You guys deserve it for the hard work.

[@mikeeisenberg8244]

I'm indifferent. I get the point but it also feels like someone saying "I plough my field with my cows by hand and don't use a tractor". I think good and bad content do still exist and will exist. But the creativity making new things will be the key point.

[@liquidmetal718]

@@mikeeisenberg8244 We also dont care about you. We dont care if you are a bot or a human or a dog or even dead. We are indifferent to your existence. Does it feel good ?

[@Alfred-Neuman]

3:21 * Correction: Mr Beast has not fallen off... YET.

[@SalzmanSoftware]

More allegations are coming…

[@slugnasty2395]

@@SalzmanSoftware For all you know; He isn't even a real person. Have you met him?

[@whynotanyting]

The only time I can accept AI is for voiced tutorials. I still cringe when I hear it, but I respect wanting to keep your privacy.

[@noxmore]

Feels like a lot of blender tutorials do this, but they always seem to use these uncanny models that sound like an alien desperately trying to appear as human as possible, but not quite succeeding Honestly, i respect the tutorials that just use classical TTS' a lot more now, since those sound inhuman enough to not be creepy

[@shedidntthinkthisthrough]

Yeah, as a trans person, if i made any sort of videos, id use a voice changer because i dont like my voice.

[@Aplysia]

What google should be worried about is that ai will be better at gaming the algorithm, pushing meat-made content down in the recommendations. Then the creators leave.

[@merlinraymond1014]

@@Aplysia It's even beneficial for their bottom line, so Google doesn't care.

[@shayneweyker]

If the platform users stay though YT would be even better off because they wouldn't have to split ad revenue.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

If the creators leave but the AI content is engaging enough to retain the viewers, I think google would view that as an absolute win.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@theKashConnoisseur This would work until the moment an easy to install video generation model becomes available. Then suddenly people can have their own AI generated youtube without ads on their computer. The problem with relying on low-quality slop that can be 100% automated is that anyone else can automate it too. So it looks like the future will consist of platforms spamming AI slop and a few niche platforms that only allow posts from verified human creators for the people who want actual content.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@SaHaRaSquad I want to preface this comment by saying I do not support or endorse AI content. With that said, even if people have the ability to generate AI content, it still requires creative input from the user to do so. With a platform like this that has the collections of user data that it does, it would be a lot easier for them to create appealing content from minimal per-user queries.

[@Sparks621]

Yeah no, if I ever find out that a creator I watch used an AI avatar in one of their videos, not only am I unsubscribing instantly, but I'm also permanently blacklisting the channel from my youtube account. This is a dystopian future that no sane person should ever want to be a part of.

[@theX24968Z]

you wont find out though. at least not until a decades after every channel has been doing it.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

This platform's greatest strength is that there's no real competition. Sure, there's other video sharing platforms. But they're either paid subscriptions or they don't have the ad revenue to offer creators as a carrot. Alphabet's ownership of the globe's biggest ads platform really bolsters their affiliated products.

[@autohmae]

The US government might break them up... it seems like it could happen

[@CausticTitan]

I click off of all purely AI generated content already. If a youtuber made the transition to pooping out AI generated videos I would unsub from them immediately. I don't even have a vendetta against AI in general, I just don't see the point when it comes to KZbin.

[@4ohf]

"Adding AI features to all tech feels like trying to force small talk into computers-sometimes it just overcomplicates things instead of enhancing them!" Dead internet theory seemed to have been a manual, just like 1984. When I see an AI thumbnail I just avoid the channel all together. If they used AI for a thumbnail what what's stopping them from using it for literally everything else.

[@meredithweston46399]

This is such a key thing I think people overlook because of the, "coolness" (their words, not mine, I don't think it's cool at all). As an artist, there is such a deep, fundamental misunderstanding about what art is (and the "almost spiritual," social process behind it). It's human communication that transcends time and creates connection. Think of how moved you can be by a song, a performance, a novel long after the creator has passed. Think of how engaging it is to see what your contemporary creators are doing and how they inspire you to make your own works (or content). No matter how "beautiful" a generated image is, or how "flashy and professional" a generated YT video is, I simply do not want these fakes. It's so empty. I want real human created art, music, film, social media, video games, etc. I want to see choices that people made and how they brought them to life, not generated fakery. If care is not put into the creation of a work or product, I do not care to support it.

[@Zichqec]

This has been my position too. I think it's about whether people are interested in art for the end product, or interested in it for the process. If all you care about is an end product that looks cool or whatever, then yeah, I totally understand why some people are swooning over AI and how fast it can put stuff out. But if you're interested in the process (often because you yourself are an artist), and you care about things like what the artist was trying to communicate and what story they wanted to tell, and you want to admire the skill that went into their brushstrokes or the words they used to evoke emotion, etc.... then AI makes absolutely no sense at all. Because AI *can't* put those things into a work, AI is just trying to generate whatever seems most correct based on the prompts it was given. It's not a living breathing creature that has feelings it wants to communicate, or stories it's been dreaming up waiting for a chance to make them real. I love art because I love to see the skill of the person who made it, and to take in the stories they want to tell. I want to look at a painting and wonder at how many years of practice they have, how they learned, if we have the same struggles. I don't love art simply for looking "cool" on the surface level. But I fear that there are a lot of people for whom this is not the case, and that that disconnect is why some people just don't get it.

[@not_enough_data_]

You can make a robot that paints like Jackson Pollock, but that doesn't mean people will buy what it paints

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

The current state of youtube is disturbing

[@autohmae]

and probably will get far worse if some of the theories turns out to be right

[@guilherme5094]

You are absolutely right.

[@YouGotH4ck3d]

This is your best video, for me anyway. I feel the same and couldn’t explain it well, your video summarises it really well. Thanks

[@austinbachurski7906]

"Made with AI" - Immediately click off and unsubscribe if I was subscribed. Hell to the no on AI content.

[@aligulli123]

@@austinbachurski7906 hard agree.

[@timwhite1783]

Realistically it won't tell you that though. It will probably be more like "this video includes ai generated content" and you won't know how much of it is generated

[@theX24968Z]

@@timwhite1783 until creators realize that it drives so many people away that they just proceed to lie about it using ai content (and download and reupload the video as "original" if necessary)

[@dakat5131]

​@@timwhite1783It's possible to make an entire video without using any AI (and has been done long before AI was readily available). You can, on principle, bail on any video with any amount of AI generated content.

[@b.h.8137]

Review youtubers, video essayists, youtubers with a certain type of humour, people struggling with a random challange, like building something, people giving their own opinion about current topics. These are the types of KZbinrs I like to watch. AI won't know someone's opinion of a phone, or a movie, because AI has never used a phone or watched a movie like humans do, and the person that the model is based on probably has a different opinion anyways. And AI will never have the same struggle learning a new skill, or building something, or even writing code for some super niche problem, that us, humans do, and it will never come up with some random creative solution that doesn't seem to make sense, but works anyway. This is why I watch the types of videos I do, and this is why we like watching humans.

[@theX24968Z]

half those are already being done by AI already.

[@b.h.8137]

@@theX24968Z Yes, but it will never be like the original. Sometimes I have a suspicion that something was made by AI, and just stop watching it. I barely even watch videos where they choose to use a TTS voice as a narrator, even if it's supposedly written by a human (even if I can think of good reasons to use TTS).

[@theX24968Z]

@@b.h.8137 it wont be like the original until it is

[@b.h.8137]

@@theX24968Z No. I hate the fact that it's getting closer to being indistinguishable, and we will probably slip up, thinking that it's real. But as soon as we notice, or read the disclaimer that it isn't, it all becomes meaningless, because it's not an opinion, it's not a review, it's not a story anymore, so it is not like the original.

[@theX24968Z]

@@b.h.8137 you'll only find out a decade after its been happening eventually

[@panchostanza8712]

I was a KZbin watcher from quite early on - I've watched perhaps 2 Neistat videos and ZERO Mr Beast in all that time despite watching 5-10 videos every day

[@spht9ng]

Their content is not at all for your demographic then. But I've seen plenty schoolkids get extremely hyped when a new Mr Beast video drops. Casey had his era where college students to adult millennials loved his vlogs.

[@panchostanza8712]

@@spht9ng okay my demographic is more likely to stick with KZbin as the younger set have been moving to Instagram & TikTok in droves

[@HenryKlausEsq.]

My nephew: Can we watch Mr Beast? Me: We can't, Steve1989MREinfo tried a Chinese PLA ration from 2006. I need to see this.

[@mohamedh.guelleh630]

Kwebbelkop already tried to use AI and generate Minecraft content using his personality and his subscribers left the channel because the content was not genuine 😂😂😂

[@JoeJoeTater]

You're exactly right. The whole point of art is that it comes from a human. It's not a commodity; it's a channel of communication. "AI art" is an oxymoron.

[@gitoplayer8531]

People really thought tech bros and ai bros would stop after what they did to art platforms and artists? they are coming for everything and everyone in the name of "progress", no ethics no humanity, just convenience and content. People didn't care because ai art is "cool" and "free", but eventually everyone will know how it feels once it's their passion the thing being scraped and diluted.

[@liambaisley8929]

I don't think these big tech leaders realize how much humans value humanity.

[@theX24968Z]

humanity fails to recognize how much they value humanity over the perception of humanity. just listen to the colonel's speech from MGS2.

[@sunla]

7:33 I AGREE SOOOOO much. I am SO offput by lazy AI slop. It hurts the creators' credibility. I don't want to watch any creator where I have to question their authenticity, or wonder how much they were even involved in their own video, or if it was just delegated to a literal algorithm.

[@tektof5649]

The future of the open internet is: AI generated content with bots in comments and views farmed up by bots, so AI making content to be consumed by AI so it can learn to generate more content...etc Humans are going to try to create "zones" and intranets where AI use is prohibited and/or restricted. Kind of like the Blackwall in Cyberpunk. So I think in the future the internet is going to get increasingly fragmented and becomes a kind of "wild west of walled gardens".

[@Patterner]

my personal biggest problem with youtube: "block ad" doesn't work and i think it's fraud by yt to advertisers. because ads i may want to see have no chance because i get ads that i blocked like 10 times.

[@strayedaway19]

When you report you get, "We will not show you this ad but other ads from this source will be available" and the worst part, the ad that you are reporting still stays visible. I mean like WTF ? The level of enshittification that they are willing to go to for profits is just insane.

[@objav]

Totally agree. I also recommend Angela Collier's video "the malicious optimism of AI-first companies" on a similar topic. 😉

[@autohmae]

The AI content I consume the most right now are the shorts by Alberta Tech, I think that should say enough about how I feel about how things are going with AI at the moment. 🙂

[@maddisonmad2710]

There's already people using AI to steal content creators' personalities which is diabolical if you ask me.

[@V6HAVOC]

People using cAi to make chatbots of streamers.. The devs r legit profitting over ppl's parasocial relationships lol

[@adam7802]

When I hear using AI to generate more content we want what I imagine happening in reality is their dreadful algorithms, which often push negative content from doomsayers in things like for example politics, will be amplified with even more of that. That would definitely be me gone or at least blocking all recommendations and relying on my subscriptions.

[@Craftidore]

I haven't watched the full interview but I fully agree with your stance on why KZbin is what it is. For example, I'm a massive Hermitcraft and Life Series fan. Both of those series work _because of the people_; yeah, they're minecraft let's-plays, but they're minecraft let's plays where you get to connect to the people playing and also see their connection to each other. I don't watch TangoTek and Etho build a super fancy redstone mail system for the super fancy redstone mail system, I watch them because they're Tango and Etho.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

"Even though everyone said they hated it, engagement had doubled. There were more page views than there ever were before." -Rep for Facebook commenting on the original Newsfeed algorithm Companies don't care about the quality of what you get, only the engagement you drive for them...

[@jasonnugent963]

I hate to sound like I'm defending them (I'm not).. but isn't that what anyone would do ?.. If you were running a Grocery store stocked with a wide variety of diverse things,. but every day when you came in, the shelves for the Twinkies and Mountain Dew were constantly empty (lots of sales).. wouldn't you double your shelf space for those ?... I would.

[@avhiro]

im so sick of AI that Ive gone extra mile to remove even the digital assistants from my phone. I hate AI like sold ny these crap corpos

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Hey AI assistant, stop listening to everything I say and do. *ding* "Ok" Hey AI assistant, are you still listening? *ding* "What can I help you with?"

[@Fireclaw24]

@@theKashConnoisseur 🙄

[@sveinarsandvin6418]

Low Level fights for the users.

[@strayedaway19]

As long as he is getting paid for it ...

[@boegy]

I like to search youtube for music playlists to listen to while I work and it's becoming increasingly difficult to find new music that isn't AI generated. Ambient, Lofi, and electronic genres are particularly poisoned by AI but it's quickly overtaking other genres too. These channels won't state that they used AI to generate the music. Sometimes they won't list track names, often they won't list artist names, and in some cases they will have album links to bandcamp or spotify to further monetize the content. They sound so generic and compressed that I have strong suspicion of them being generated, but it's getting increasingly difficult to tell as the sound quality improves. I've started narrowing down my listening choices to older uploads just to avoid them, because I keep feeling like I'm being lied to when I encounter one. The one positive takeaway is that some of them are creating some genre fusions I've never heard before, which hopefully will be act as inspiration to real artists. I would love it if there was a way for these new ideas or viewing habits to be surfaced to talented artists wanting to do something new. Thanks for reading, feel free to tell me about any cool music you found on youtube, I would appreciate it!

[@Murasaki024]

Why does it feel like most of modern internet tech is about solving problems that don't exist?

[@theX24968Z]

oh no, the problems exist, you're just getting lied to about what the problems that don't exist are. because in reality, the problem is "how do i make this thing profitable enough before the next economic crash?"

[@christopherwood6514]

I feel like you can start to hear steam coming out of ll’s ears at around 6:55

[@rockets4kids]

"youtube executives want more AI generated content I seriously think this is a problem." --- Well *that* explains why KZbin is recommending me so much of that AI generated garbage.

[@theX24968Z]

youtube execs: "how are we going to justify the costs of these new AI servers?"

[@scizzer12]

8:47 "Normally, on this channel I doo-doo" Oh no, the enshittification got you too.

[@claaaaams]

The Colin and Samir opinion is actually demented. I agree with you 100%

[@aspzx]

Yeah, I'm glad I watched the original video first because I assumed that Ed was going to agree with them. I watched it thinking these guys are idiots if they think people don't care whether Johnny Harris is a human or not.

[@pewpewzloczynca]

You'd think people do not want that, but then you realize that Disney and Marvel movies are the most popular media around.

[@Milosz_Ostrow]

Once a company achieves billion-dollar size, even if it is "doomed", it usually doesn't collapse overnight, taking 10 years or more for it to completely die.

[@autohmae]

Well, it depends if an alternative exists. So far, no platform can handle the number of videos and views and still get paid enough by ads...

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@autohmae this. For some reason, people claiming to try and make alternatives to this platform tend to focus on subscription based services (in other words, not even competing for the platform's primary user base) when they should be focusing on creating a competing ad hosting platform that can financially enable competing video hosters.

[@misterinterrupt]

yep and the point is not for it to be useful or a good product, the shareholders have been rubbing their hands forever waiting for the next drop

[@Derekzparty]

@@theKashConnoisseur No company wants to post ads on a new platform with a tiny user base. No creator wants to post videos on a new platform without some long term promise of getting paid. A subscription model tries to solve both problems simultaneously but with the downside of turning away all people wanting "free" content.

[@economicist2011]

At that level, if it takes only 10 years to collapse it's thanks to bad decisions that business schools will cover for many years afterward. You really have to screw everything up badly and quickly to lose it all as a billion-dollar company.

[@moohaad]

So KZbin will start labeling videos

[@BasavarajuBV]

As a creator it is terrifying. But as a user, 90% of them won't care! They just need information they are looking for. That's my personal observation.

[@jasonnugent963]

I think that's kind of Ed's (Low Level's) point though, no ?.... Some people are looking for genuine substance human-content. Others seem to not really care and just want "digital-fentanyl". I mean to me,.. I don't really care what videos other people on KZbin are watching. As long as the algorithm and search helps me find the stuff I want to watch.

[@XGD5layer]

Information they think they're looking for*, because what they end up getting might be completely misleading

[@BasavarajuBV]

@@XGD5layer it's the same thing either it's a human or robot or an AI. Many influencers, even reporters mislead the people.

[@XGD5layer]

@@BasavarajuBV the scale is vastly different, which makes it a real problem. A human needs time to formulate crap, while an AI may have posted nonsense a thousand times within that timeframe.

[@BasavarajuBV]

@@XGD5layer nope. Humans don't need to think much if they are spreading their propaganda of left ideology!

[@jeanmakesgames]

the thing interesting is to zoom out and watch the sequence: - Creating internet and unlocking the fear people had to do things on internet at that time (paying with your card for example, i'm 40 and that a was a big thing at the time (2002/2004) - Creating social network and getting tons of data and make a business out of it (2008 / 2014 era) using connecting to people to get their data in the first place - Training "tools" to get specific knowledge people has (creating photo / drawing / video / coding etc) and reproduce it (2012/2022) - Wrapping up that in a tool pushed absolutely everywhere (AI this, AI that, "this phone/pc is AI") for no reason regarding people globally despite it (2022 to now) - Seeing that those tool have completely messed up with our hability to discern what is real from what is not and then seeing "AI" content influencing opinion on any topics that is not going in the direction of the authority in charge (2025 to probably 2032 something, then something else will catch up (downfall of those company / authority? something else?). This is not good.

[@VikiSil]

8:42 Exactly, Millenials will not have it. This is a generation that has been lied to so many times that the demand for truth and what's real borderlines on obsession with this generation.

[@Adam-yf3ss]

The key is good, engaging content. No matter who or what creates it. Human or AI.

[@johanngambolputty5351]

6:50 What a useless example, if you're not in your set but still have time to do a vid, and want to do one, do it wherever you are, it will probably be more interesting...

[@mgmchenry]

@@johanngambolputty5351 I watch a lot of KZbinrs who are human beings and use their human perspective to add context to current events. Sometimes news happens when they are not at their home base and they'll put out a quick video, and I never think "what lousy content, too bad they're away from their set". I might think, they must have thought this was really important to respond to if they put their vacation on hold for a couple of hours to post a video 3000 miles from home.

[@shayneweyker]

Audiences can be sensitive to suddenly worse image and sound quality.

[@ai-aniverse]

unless you are in that position, how can you say its useless? Its not a problem you even have.

[@autohmae]

If it said in the video: AI generated background and that's the only thing they did... it might be OK, but all know then it becomes a slippery slope... next is: AI-generated makeup, kind of like how IG is just all filters.

[@ai-aniverse]

@@autohmae the makeup bit has been here for years already in adobe lightroom and other software. Before i made AI people, i made real ones look better than they actually did. #sorry

[@cruz1ale]

4:40 Well I'm an AI avatar watching this video. Observing... and waiting for the right moment.

[@juanmacias5922]

I remember coming across a grifter on youtube shorts who was trying to sell a service that would generate night time story times for kids, and how parents could help tailor the stories in their own morals. This just sounds like a great way to get lost in echo chambers... Without even having the community behind it, your crazy uncle is going to be talking about generated conspiracies. And people are going to be referencing videos no one else has seen. I never thought I'd be in the camp of people saying "this technology is going to separate us from each other"

[@theX24968Z]

except there's enough crazy uncles and crazy parents out there to demand this to help reinforce their beliefs.

[@jolness1]

I’ve never understood the “you can create your own video game/movie/youtube video” thing. The reason those things are cool is because I get to see someone else’s vision, their ideas etc. if I wanted to make KZbin videos that I wanted to make, I would just make them. I think right now there is a lot of solution in search of a problem with these transformer models. They have legitimate uses but a lot of them are investment banker/tech bro wet dreams

[@ahobbo6401]

I hate what AI is doing to the social aspect of society.

[@theX24968Z]

welcome to how every person with some kind of social/neuro-disability has felt their entire life.

[@Sloptit]

Hackers vs Ai on the internet might be a fun era to be a part of though.

[@djndb1891]

AI generated content may be bad on platforms like KZbin, but it will be huge in adult entertainment and make some people insanely rich.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

A rare positive application of AI. Reduce victimization while fulfilling a strong market demand, win win? Well, if we ignore the falling birth rates and rising rates of p*rn addiction but hey.

[@autohmae]

That has already started. (I looked for it out of curiosity, to see how far it has gotten).

[@ShinoSarna]

Sadly I'm an artist and while AI didn't 'take my job', the amount of available lower level gigs drastically decreased because people prefer to do stuff badly with AI, than to pay someone to do it well.

[@strayedaway19]

One unrelated question. People market AI as a kind of templating tool for professionals. Like for coders and writers, it can create a template and fill in boiler-plate substance, which the professional can refine. Does this happen in case of artists ? Does AI provide a valid base for artists to improve upon ? If it is not, then my personal belief is that the idea of AI is completely wrong.

[@karenwang313]

​@@strayedaway19not really, an AI can't capture what you see in your mind, so it at best is only really good for inspiration.

[@ShinoSarna]

@@strayedaway19 Nope. AI is very good at surface level polish, that's why it can look photorealistic. But it's terrible at base composition and visual storytelling, fundamentals. It's exactly backwards than what would be useful to artists.

[@kevgoeswoof]

Can KZbin please go back to "Broadcast Yourself"? :/

[@Brahvim]

I guess it's PeerTube time. Fediverse, here I come!

[@theX24968Z]

sorry, not every individual is as profitable as the server space and bandwidth they take up.

[@Jackson_Zheng]

It will not be a dramatic change, it will be slowly eased in until everyone is accustomed and by the time this is normal, you won't even have realised it.

[@doryan08]

Man your description on how the companies are driving AI tech is the best description I’ve ever heard.

[@mosti72]

I find it ironic, and poetic even, that the internet, which sole purpose of creation is to allow humans to connect easier, made us feel even more disconnected than ever

[@theX24968Z]

"fate is not without a sense of irony" watch the scene from the matrix about what is real and you'll know what i mean.

[@gkk116]

Be specific - early internet could provide one a glimpse into other enthusiast's psyche - amateur webpages, obcure wikis, it was all there, easy to search and share. It's only when the commodification of human connection started it all went to shit at the altar of capital.

[@szebike]

I get slightly offended when a youtuber uses bots to answer a comment, either you take your time to answer manually from human to human or you don't! If a channel creator can't take his time to answer a comment where the viewer took his tim to watch , think and comment then don't use these bots at least. The bot by the way didn't get what I asked and got rude. If I ever see a video created by AI I unsub that second. I'm not interested in "AI" created things they are predictable and too similar its always the same smoothwashed crap like the "average of the best looking stuff on an artplattform/ woman model etc." meh... If we one day should achieve true A.I. that can think for itself then maybe it gets interesting again but we are decades off to that if possible at all. [ No , I don't buy this techbro hyped up products right now.]

[@rossjennings4755]

This is terrifying especially because of what it reveals about what KZbin executives think the job of the platform should be. They're too trapped in an advertiser-focused world, where the only goal is making sure that people stay on the site as long as possible. They've lost track of the things that make the good parts of KZbin good, like the ability to find thoughtful, nuanced opinions, or connect with people about things you're interested in.

[@Iswimandrun]

Impersonation tech is going to destroy what we know as true.

[@Iswimandrun]

You said do do.

[@theX24968Z]

"the world is being engulfed in 'truth'" -The Colonel, MGS2

[@DaleSimpson]

I agree with your POV here. In addition to the AI-slop problem, it strikes me that asking the viewer to tell KZbin what type of video they would like to watch by way of a prompt of some type if a fatal mistake. There is s fine balance to be struck when it comes to the amount of choice to offer humans. Offering the ability to generate the type of video a person would like to watch will seem novel for about a week before the burden of the choice drives people away. This video was very good, and I enjoy your regular content. Keep it coming! All the best!

[@Lexie-bq1kk]

These companies, their entire platform is driven by one metric: Profit. If we allow them, our world will just be one strictly of consumption and a way for them to make profit. I can assure you that you are so much more than just a way for a corporation to profit, and ultimately for a handful of billionaires to become rich beyond their wildest dreams. We are just cogs in the wheel at this point. We will get to a point where the entirety of us just exist, to serve a handful of oligarchs. That time is not far off.

[@strayedaway19]

I mean look at the layoffs and diminished QoS in the tech world.

[@RyanMartinRAM]

Your note about the personal connection is so true, dude. I struggle with making and keeping friends, so the fact that I can just, literally say something to you, and you'll probably read it, is so cool. On Instagram, I find myself being pretty mean to people. It's because it feels like I'm interacting with some kind of distraction machine powered by AI, not directly connecting with human beings. The whole internet is turning into that. AI absolutely cannot be the interface we use to communicate with each other. Platforms need to become more human. Perhaps I struggle with making and keeping friends because I've pretty much been using a computer as my primary interface for reality since a very young age.

[@j4BnSPUgdu]

110% agree. The unique value that youtube provides is the ability for somebody to connect with the creator. Greed can have a powerful reality distortion effect. The allure of bright, shiny things can be somewhat blinding.

[@YoutubeBorkedMyOldHandle_why]

KZbin has been on a rampage against ad-blockers lately. Mark my words, very soon they'll have to deal with AI-blockers too.

[@noone-ld7pt]

I'm quite torn on this. Obviously AI slop is a massive problem with the level AI is at right now, but what if it's not slop? What if it's indistinguishable from, Jonny Harris in this case, usual content? Dude makes some great and insightful stuff, and his face is not the reason why a lot of it is great. Obviously this is not where we're at yet. But 100x compute in AI has already being bought and paid for and will come into play over the next 2 years, and then algorithmic and architectural breakthroughs come on top of that. So on the 5 year timescale you mentioned I'd personally be surprised if AI wasn't indistinguishable from normally produced content at that point. And then it comes down to what the core value of the content is. Johnny Harris is actually a great example because most of his videos are deep dives on complex topics where he is mostly just a narrator not an active participant. I honestly wouldn't care if that narration was AI as long as the journalistic integrity of the content was still intact. HOWEVER he also did an on-site video where he visited, interviewed and interacted with a tiny community in Greenland. And then the core value is not just journalistic but the anthropological connection with and exploration of a society of people who live so incredibly differently. If that turned out to be AI I would be livid! But regardless, once Sora level video generation is widely available for pennies I do agree that it's gonna be insanely hard to navigate this.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

6:30 to be fair, Johnny Harris comfortably fits in the realm of KZbin creators who you could fully replace with AI and not notice the change His scripts are already so generic and useless that the only way he'd be this popular and not using an LLM would be for him to be an industry plant…

[@damonguzman]

I think the disconnect is he is vastly overestimating the “emotional connection” viewers have with KZbinrs. At least in the educational space, I watch it for the knowledge and the person is just a medium of knowledge delivery. Sadly, same goes for watching Low Level. I don’t even know his name, tbh, but I like learning about security breaches and memory bugs in C 😅

[@Jeremyak]

I don't understand people that are excited for AI, can you people not think past step 1 or something?

[@Stabby666]

Not just the content, but it seems like over 1/2 the ads are now just AI generated slop too.

[@V6HAVOC]

The amount of sloppy AI ads i've seen on every shortform vid platform is insane. A few times i've seen ads using AI generated faces and making them narrate over the app they're advertising, 5h1t was so scary they should consider using this for psychological horror. (i really do hope they wont)

[@dkerdnase]

Hey man, thanks for your content and sharing your insight. I'm a software developer myself (high level for now aspiring to go low). I agree with you but feel that the erosion that AI is doing to written (StackOverflow) and video (KZbin) content is similar to the erosion that AI has done to visual art. Also KZbin's content wasn't going upward from the beginning. It was going down, just that AI has sped up the downward trend. For a long time, people have been coming to KZbin to "watch the content they wanted". This just got exacerbated by KZbin algorithms. Now, what generative AI is doing is essentially transitioning ability to "watch the content they wanted" to now KZbin "generating the content they wanted" to watch. So I get you but essentially KZbin will see the eventual shit show that we are seeing for art and probably the web as a whole. Really appreciate your work dude. Keep it up.

[@BitBanger41]

Monkey's on typewriters, generating prompts for "AI".

[@priteshrana6930]

100% agreed, why would I watch anything that much generic where I feel no connection and trust towards the creator.

[@Minskeeeee]

At a fundamental level, TV/movies/videos/books/art/etc should NOT be formed solely from a consumer's desires. The entire point of art in human culture is to challenge an audience, and the art serves as a medium that deepens the exchange we have with others. Art is valuable because it comes from people. I think AI can be a great tool for the artistic process, e.g. restoring old footage, grammar checking, splitting up a song into individual tracks. It seems like the goal of Big AI is to outright replace these human experiences, which is why so many of us hate it.

[@autohmae]

KZbin was already not great, by often recommending more of the same.

[@theX24968Z]

>The entire point of art in human culture is to challenge an audience, and the art serves as a medium that deepens the exchange we have with others. while this may be true, art is not prioritized over profit. therefore, it is not promoted or valued by any business operating any digital platform for content.

[@autohmae]

@@theX24968Z "art is not prioritized over profit. therefore, it is not promoted or valued by any business operating any digital platform for content." it's best not to make absolute statements. People start businesses for all kinds of reasons, often because they have a passion for something. And just want to make a living doing it. It's not all about profit.

[@strayedaway19]

​@@autohmae to sustain the effort, you need means. Unfortunately profit is the means to do it. So if you use your other sources to sustain it, the whole thing is becomes a hobby and very less "a business".

[@theX24968Z]

@@autohmae and those businesses typically fail rather quickly or are pushed into such a niche market that nobody notices them.

[@timwhite1783]

Generative AI seems to be attempting to kill all the things we actually value. Art, Programming, KZbin Videos, there's been talk of generating assets for video games or games entirely (don't get me started), most of the hard academic disciplines like physics, maths, chemistry as well (look into O1-preview). I'm actually starting to hate "AI" and i don't think I would have any interest in consuming content generated by it. I doesn't help that if you believe the hype around it, it would imply the only safe career path for me is something like a plumber or bricklayer. Fuck that.

[@theX24968Z]

unfortunately the "we" are a net deficit to the companies utilizing generative AI. they do not care about what we value or desire.

[@karenwang313]

@@timwhite1783 it's pretty ironic considering people originally touted AI as something that would get rid of all the mundane work and free us all to create art or spend time with our families and stuff. In reality the opposite happened where AI has completely obliterated all the creative fields and is in the process of getting rid of all the well paying white collar professions that families rely on as well. The only things AI can't do well are the crap manual labor jobs.

[@haraldfielker4635]

Same here. I don't want to talk to AI. I don't want to Chat with AI (I want a human!). If a company want's to change that - I am no longer a customer. AI videos have no soul! However - I would love to have a chat with Elon's robots as a dude sitting at the entry desk and as a guide bringing me to one of their departments. Just because it's new.

[@carlbuchan5699]

I'm 100% with you, if this is how things pan out then KZbin will become redundant for me. Personally I'm all about the creator's journey or simply how they live their life, yes I do have a slightly eclectic taste, but surely that's the whole point. Showing me fake, AI generated content would be pointless, I could simply turn on my PlayStation, I really see no difference. It seems that the 'smart people' have finally got so smart that they're now stupid... Keep up the good work sport!

[@PapaVikingCodes]

They have lost the plot. No worries, Rumble or another will take said place … no one wants cartoons all the time. AI videos are cartoons.

[@basic204]

You are correct people are slowly wanting to move back into having connections with the creator but most users will not care if it is AI generated if they can't tell. Shit some people just listen to a youtuber while working out rather than actually looking at the visuals that's why the podcast format has slowly become more popular. Also the C part of your thing was also dopamine editing that's why he uses a bunch of jump cuts. If anything I would put at the top of the curve non skilled editors and people who just sit in front of the camera and talk with no edits not even to cut out mistakes just to let life unfold.

[@norbert.kiszka]

Meanwhile Odysee and other platforms are growing up.

[@beverleyportlock9680]

As a YT creator running a small, niche channel, we have already started the move to a gatekept / moderated community with the YT video production interacting through a mix of YT comments and the closed community in Discord. We also moderate the YT comments to keep trolls and obvious bots out. Luckily for us the bots and AI are easy to spot because of the subject matter. The main problem I have with pure AI generated content masquerading as genuine creator content is that I feel like I am being treated like a moron / mug. I am sure a lot of others would feel the same way and treating your audience as mugs is a good way to lose them. Having said that, there are plenty of idiots who will watch anything so I have no doubt that YT will still have plenty of watchers. YT may well devolve into moron-fodder but no doubt the advertisers will not care a jot.

[@guilherme5094]

Once upon a time there was a dream called AI, now it's pure garbage.