I Solved FNAF's Biggest Debate (Timeline/Lore Explained)

[@HyperDroid]

ALSO I forgot but the Help Wanted 2 graves I think are meant to be the order they're freed as the MCI is in 1985 and we know Charlie dies in 1983 from that very same game by making us input the 1983 code to NOT get the Golden Freddy memory but instead the PUPPET MEMORY (aswell as the Book Trilogy stating 1983 as a fact multiple times), so I highly doubt it's meant to be about her death date. Not only that but Charlie cannot die before the MCI for many reasons, mainly the "wound first inflicted on me" is either her dying first in the timeline (like I believe) or at most it's about her being the first murder, she needs to be gone by the time the MCI die for Give Gifts Give Life where she guides the MCI souls, etc etc etc. I'd recommend checking out ID Fantasy's explaination for what the grave order may mean instead: kzbin.info3PwWnyAZciU 2025 VIDEOS ARE FINALLY HERE! I hope you enjoy this THEORY and let me know your thoughts! Just remember to remain respectful in theory debates! :) SUBSCRIBE because next video I'm going to show you the EXACT moment Scott made his "one" retcon within the story...

[@UpStartTugBoat]

The 1983 code could be for when the Puppet animatronic was built by Fazbear Entertainment… that same code is also used to show the FNAF 4 bedroom and Fun with Plushtrap in the Private Room in FNaF: Sister Location. Given how 1983 was the founding of Freddy’s and the Bite of ‘83… I wouldn’t be surprised that this specific year would be engrained into Afton’s mind when he creating these experiments to remind himself of that year. The way he tortures kids with his own machines, the Nightmares and Plushtrap, and his business history with Fredbear’s and the Bite of ‘83… kinda compares Afton to John Kramer (Jigsaw) from the Saw series.

[@Days_long_past]

How is the ITP and/or RTTP "MCI" the same one that closed the FNAF 0 location Considering literally *all* the information we get its almost certainly a different thing If its real time travel, like RTTP and ITP the game imply, it can't be the MCI for reasons like *literally* everything that happens. The bodies being seen, them being in the party room, the RABBIT MONSTER that killed the kids not being William, Foxy not being there, etc If its an agony hallucination made by the MCI kids, like I assume is implied by ITP the book, where's Foxy. It clearly shows all 5 kids + 1 extra and every time all the kids are shown, 1 of them is Foxy. Foxy is very clearly absent from the event that happened in the ball pit location. People saying its the MCI actually boggles my mind, like where did this assumption even start. Like I get that its dead kids, but like the only other thing is that its in June(Might have the same date as the newspaper I haven't read ITP). There's probably more there that I just haven't seen but like WHERE IS IT. Everyone says it so there's gotta be *something*

[@anhurtorrez]

I disagree on the order of Michael and Elizabeth. Not because of the room, or any of the others you mention. I believe the horrible thing that Michael saw was Elizabeth's death, considering if you look at FNAF 4 they all have the stomach open just kind of like the Fun Times. But I do agree about Charlie being the first. You also explain the reason why he started to do these horrific things. Most serial killers do things like this a lot of times, and some of them live a normal life outside of killing people. Just like William does. Also I have a feeling that Michaels brother in the movie is a replacement for Charlie in the story which kicked it all off.

[@silenx85]

i never understood why people interpreted an empty bedroom as Elizabeth already being dead in 4. If anything, the toy on the floor implies the room is lived-in, currently. She just wasn't there at the time. If she was dead, someone would have packed up the toy by now. Some parents might leave the room exactly as-is forever to honour their child, but in those cases they probably wouldn't let other kids go in there so to not disturb the belongings etc.

[@GeneralPuppet]

The stomach mouths just added to the empty room because it's such a weird detail on nightmares.

[@Wyvernatus]

@@GeneralPuppetIt is a strange detail, but given that it is impossible for BV to have seen the Funtime’s in action (Unless MikeVictim is somehow true), I wouldn’t put too much thought into it.

[@GeneralPuppet]

@Wyvernatus Mike victim is stupid

[@n.m.9030]

« All I see is an empty room No more joy, an empty tomb » Ballora’s voice line. One of the reason that made people think that. Specifically Game Theorists on one of their videos

[@ambercartier-page8525]

@@GeneralPuppet if 4 came out after sister location i would think your right but its probably the mouth on nightmare that inspired baby's design.

[@Adm1ralPizza]

“Alright i would tell you the fnaf timeline buts its a lot and i dont know where to start” “just start at the beginning” “thats the thing we dont know when it began”

[@HyperDroid]

HAHA that's so true

[@toribird6664]

16:05 with poss. Elizabeth’s room being empty: if we know that Mr & Mrs Afton’s relationship isn’t good (she’s rarely mentioned, so she’s either dead or gone) couldn’t it be that Elizabeth is at her mother’s if there’s been a divorce?

[@thevioletskull8158]

Cryng Child has a room too and Micheal is there, the recent FNAF lore hints that Will took the kids custody and the mum committed suicide or something like that, so how would they be living with the mum? Unless I missed something, it is FNAF after all

[@HyperDroid]

true, could be! I mainly said it's possibly Mrs. Afton's because Elizabeth wasn't a character at that point in time, but if we're to assume Scott had Elizabeth in mind then I agree that she's likely just gone at that time and being with Mrs Afton instead would make sense!

[@GippyHappy]

I never liked the fandom trying to make Afton more sympathetic by implying he was just a father in mourning or trying to bring his kids back. Him just being a huge tool who killed a child out of jealousy and then barely cared when he got his own kids killed after makes the most sense to me.

[@lukeoreilly1428]

Ya same here I feel like that makes him a scarier and just better character

[@serenepastel]

Sometimes a person can just kinda suck and get worse. And for a villain, that’s perfectly fine by me.

[@thedarkdevil1661]

@@GippyHappy Ya. It's more in his nature that, if CC's death causes Fredbear's to close, he'd not blame his negligence, but instead blame Fredbear and it's creator, HENRY. Which would then trigger all his jealously towards Henry to boil over in a drunken rage, Hence why he kills Charlie. CC isn't the cause. It's him putting ALL the blame on Henry as a result of his insecurities. Using CC as an EXCUSE to lash out at Henry. He's not sympathetic. He's LITERALLY using his business' failure (due to his own negligence) as an excuse to attack the person he's jealous of most. TSE Trilogy shows that, at first, William cared more about finding a reason/way to HURT Henry, due to his Jealousy, than his business or even his kids. And CC's, and therefore his business', death was the perfect reason. And it was through Charlie's death that William would discover his first love. Life after death.

[@error8877]

The movie also shows this, he didn't really hesitate to get rid of Vanessa when hed didn't need her anymore.

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

I heard ID Fantasy say something similar to this in a Livestream. "I think it is harder to argue that William never cared for his children or to such a small degree that he ignored their Deaths" No matter how evil We know Afton to be I can't believe he just shrugged his shoulders after his son and daughter Died. Look how HENRY Lost his f*cking mind in basically all iterations when he lost a child. And we're all just gonna say That massive change that happened to him was impossible for Afton just because he's Evil?

[@oskarbergkvist980]

10:25 And the puppet already has the tear streaks in this fall fest image!!!!!

[@dumflame]

PHUCK

[@sarahcatherine5497]

Sells it for me

[@AB.TA452]

Charlie dying first might explain why Dave is well a crying child, the death of probably a close friend will finally provide a reason why he cries so much.

[@themilkman7921]

Did you play FNAF 4? He’s crying because he is scared.

[@bakerybot_aep]

@@themilkman7921 it can be both lol

[@azimuddin1890]

It’s a neat idea, but there’s nothing to back that up. F.N.A.F.4 implies that EvanBearCC (joke name) is simply scared of Freddy’s (the animatronics and performers)

[@higueraft571]

@@azimuddin1890 >is simply scared of Freddy’s He's scared because he SAW something. Though, the teaser implies that it was something he misunderstood, and saw as darker than it really was, but still, even a wrong something is a something he saw.

[@azimuddin1890]

@ So whatever scared EvanBearCC was just something he misunderstood in the darkness. Maybe like a preformed wearing a costume cause it’s the job to so. It’s a guess. So EvanBearCC was scared of Freddy’s cause what he saw, which made him scared of the preformers and animatronics.

[@Spookwurm]

12:34 something about this makes me think that the Crying Child got bit by fredbear first, then hospitalized, and then Afton lets his drunken rage at Henry take the reins in spontaneously killing/(failed kidnapping?) Charlie, and then the crying child dies soon afterwards. So maybe they just died around the same time. incident, murder, and then final death.

[@Celtic1020]

1. The "A wound first inflicted on me" is talking about a murder. Neither of the other deaths were technically murder, but criminal level negligence. This is made clear by the rest of his dialogue being about the MCI kids in Molten Freddy and how William has repeatedly made their existence worse. 2. The haunted animatronics line could also be about the MCI not just the Puppet, and we didn't get the 1995 date for the MCI until MUCH LATER. It is especially important that they say "haunted animatronics" and not "a haunted puppet" the description and quantity of the subjects don't match. 3. You are playing as a Freddy in the Charlie's FnaF 2 death minigame, which would not make sense to be at Fredbear's. 4. It would actually make more sense for Afton to leave the company as he starts Afton Robotics separately from Fazbear. 5. The novel trilogy you keep using for this timeline references an accident at Fredbear's, before the murders. Causing it to close in the same way as the games. While the crying child is never brought up as a motive, that would imply that he died there. 6. Afton's inconsistent killing methods don't prove the killing order like you say. In your argument Charlie is earlier because it doesn't forward his experiments, yet you say the MCI is after he has super hi tech kidnapper robots. That's a regression in his process. I generally agree that William doesn't need a reason to go insane, but there have always been timeline reasons like these for the death order.

[@higueraft571]

To frame how i see it, for the "first wound" quote: Henry believes that Charlie's death was the First Blow. But i'm willing to bet if you asked William, he'd believe *Henry* struct the first blow, with CC. Fredbear is *his* robot after all, and it was likely under *his* supervision that CC died. William likely could have blamed Henry for killing his son, Henry denied it (as he believes he's totally guilt-free), and this only sent William over the edge with a need to "get even"? Both sides would feel as if the other had struck first, and this was only their natural reaction to that... ...which also sorta fits the idea that Henry is uh not as bright as he thinks he is, to say the least. >You are playing as a Freddy in the Charlie's FnaF 2 death minigame, which would not make sense to be at Fredbear's. At least in my MM theory, this WOULD generally reinforce that. It taking place after CC's death, with Michael grieving and running off to JR's repeatedly (Fredbears' former location). CC died, and afterward William makes a request to Henry. To stay over and watch his shithead son. Henry, not confortable taking Charlie there, or leaving her alone, builds the Security Puppet to protect her while he's away. Michael is shown grieving and running off to JR's (which is most likely the closed down Fredbear's). Why does the Bouncer turn William away? Simple. He's caused a scene there before, stomping in to drag his son out kicking and screaming, which would generally ruin peoples' moods. Especially if this is a repeat occurrence... This would in general answer a few continuity questions, and explain most of what we see about as well as you could answer them. Also notable to the Springlock Failures mentioned in the theory: It's implied they occur shortly before the MCI in 1985. Which is also how William would have gotten away with using a Springlock Suit to lure and kill children. The Staff would have gotten the Memo not long ago, but the kids would have only noticed a very brief absence... Actually, more likely the Springlock Failures probably happened at the FNAF 2 location in 85.

[@thepixelman4776]

I mean wasn’t there a Freddy in the “Fredbear and friends” show we see in Fnaf 4? And also the toys? We know Freddy existed while Fredbears was open, I don’t think it’s THAT weird that there’d be one there. Also in the HD minigames theres a Fredbear with the black hat and bow tie. Also there were posters in SB where Fredbear looked like that, Spring Bonnie even still keeping the Purple for his stuff, which feels especially like SW giving an explanation for what’s really just Scott deciding in 4 to change Fredbears design (that’s not a dig at SW it’s just objectively that’s probably all we need to take away from that).

[@alexschneider1667]

@@thepixelman4776 we explicitly see fredbears in the fnaf 4 mini games, and we only ever see spring Bonnie and fredbear. It would be weird if Freddy was there and we just didn’t see him

[@thepixelman4776]

⁠​⁠@@alexschneider1667We also don’t get to see Elizabeth in MM despite it being very unlikely she’s dead already, and the Puppet minigame back in 2 leaves out a LOT of details added later in 6. Plus, we’re seeing things from Dave’s perspective so we don’t exactly get the best look of Fredbears; heck, we don’t even see the full stage, just Fredbear and the back of Spring Bonnie. But we do get the plushies, toy figures, and TV Show (that one especially showing the connection given it’s specifically “Fredbear and Friends”.). So I don’t personally see why it’d be weird or at least weirder than like actual soul juice and other stuff.

[@ophelie2620]

No, we get MCI 1985 same year of Fnaf 4. In TSE. That one also mentions 1982 for Charlie(Sammy). So in 2015 Scott basically told us death order is Charlie-> Dave->MCI but nobody believed in MCI85 until Fazbear Frights.

[@BreadAndButter504]

Theory idea: the Afton kids are all half-siblings. Edit: We never see the mom, and they all have different eye colors: Elizabeth's is green, Michael's is blue, and Dave's is brown/hazel. Besides if Afton was a deranged psychopath who didn't care too much about his kids, then why would he give 2 craps about any woman he has kids with. There are also the immortal and restless shows in which the vampire continues to state how the baby isn't his. I would love to see evidence of the existence of a Mrs. Afton because, from everything I've seen, there ain't nothing!

[@KairanFarr]

I wouldn't say Michael and David are half-siblings, but Elizabeth would more likely be. Michael and David have the same hair colour and are lumped together a lot. However, Elizabeth has strawberry blonde hair, so she's more likely a half-sibling

[@damkylan3]

All of that is possible with blood siblings. It’s just rare. And that line from the soap means nothing. The baby is obviously Vlad’s. The point is he’s lying.

[@jeremymorris345]

I actually think we can get a pretty good date for Elizabeth's death, and it fits with the timeline you just mentioned. When we are under the desk in SL, Baby starts saying the numbers 1 5 8 7. If you rearrange these to a date, you could get either January 7th, 1985, or July 1st, 1985. Just before or just after the MCI on June 26, 1985.

[@KairanFarr]

The novels have Elizabeth dying before the MCI.

[@Fr4nlix]

she could also possibly have died on the first of the fifth month 1987

[@jeremymorris345]

@@Fr4nlix We know from other media, like Return to the Pit, that the Plush Baby doll existed in 1985, so 1987 for SL would be to late.

[@Fr4nlix]

​@@jeremymorris345 though considering into the pit was made a long time after sl it could be scott forgot the date or was making an easter egg (not to say you're wrong tho it could be possible and/or a retcon)

[@MapleZer0]

are we sure it's not 9 being said instead of 5 they do sound very similar and I feel like it makes more sense for her to be saying 1987

[@Narnes64Gaming]

I like the theory but I feel like it heavily relies on the assumption that BV death is what closes Fredbears when Charlie’s death could have also been the reason. And with the “wound first inflicted upon me” line it seems to be more directed at actions William himself did which technically wouldn’t include the Big Bite as that was more of a freak accident/Michael’s fault. The following wounds then referring to both the other kids and parents he has ruined the lives of. Also there is still the problem of midnight motorist in regard to the animatronic footprints. The only possible way for those foot prints to exist is if it’s somehow shadow Freddy (tho SF is much more heavily implied to be the agony manifestation of the MCI). Not to mention the whole dirt pile that is now extremely out of place if Charlie dies first. Like you could make the argument that maybe it’s somehow Mrs Afton but that is much more of a stretch than assuming it’s BV’s grave.

[@BuzzLightbulb]

Outside the window in midnight motorist there are animatronic footprints. Something has to be possessed by the time of Charlie’s death. It has toes, which baby does not, so it can’t be her. The only other option is the sobbing lad. I’m guessing William killed Charlie not out of grief, but jealousy. Not only was Henry better than him in every aspect, but he also didn’t have any dead children.

[@Celtic1020]

On a related note to Williams motives, he doesn't need the crying childs death to be a murderer, but that does not immediately mean it didn't happen first. He also doesn't need to be a good father or person to be pissed off about it. There are tons of examples of self absorbed and evil people still being angered when something happens to those around them. Even if he views his kids as possessions that makes them HIS, a slight against them is a slight against him. "How could Henry's shoddy work result in MY child's death!" He already obsessed over and hated Henry. That would be more fuel in the fire. Also while the movies don't have anything like FnaF 4 the novel trilogy brings up an accident as Fredbear's that closes it down. Nobody remembers it when talking about the books because it's mentioned once and most theorists haven't actually read the books. Pretty sure Hyper Droid has, so either he forgot, or he is actively ignoring it for this video.

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

@@Celtic1020 then why doesn’t Henry mention Afton’s son dying and Afton getting mad at his creations for killing his son in his speech.

[@Takejiro24]

Wait.....it was an accident that shut Fredbear's down in the novel trilogy? Not Charlie's murder?

[@FosterBaba]

Crazy thought, this makes me wonder if Willie A wanted Elizabeth to get scooped. Something about telling her not to play with Baby. Baby is perfectly safe around others. But saying that to a small child, its like you're asking for them to sneak off alone to do the exact opposite. And why else did he make it "just for her", if he didnt plan for her to get scooped?

[@SeekerOfComfyness]

I agree about the "didn't you make her just for me?" line, that has always sounded like a subtle death threat to me It's the kind of line you wouldn't think much about at first but once you know what the funtimes were built for you would have this realization that it's much more sinister than it sounds And once elizabeth does die william keeps her underground and subjects her to electric shocks on a regular basis so it wouldn't surprise me if he was aiming to use her for experiments from the beginning

[@kerosarriola5979]

I like this timeline. The only thing I'll mention as a potential counterpoint is Princess Quest IV in Help Wanted 2. By lighting the graves of the Missing Children and Charlie in a specific order, with Charlie being last, you unlock an Easter Egg that suggests something about the player's character. Apparently, any order will get you to the next part of the game, but because of the order for the Easter egg, many people believe that Charlie dies after the Missing Children's Incident. I honestly don't know how many straight answers we can get on the early parts of the timeline until Secret of the Mimic

[@kerosarriola5979]

Wait, I just realized, aren't there posters of some kind in the alley in the Security Puppet minigame that kind of look like Wanted posters or Missing Person posters?

[@jeremymorris345]

The Help Wanted 2 graves are more likely the moved on order. Golden Freddy is second to last because of UCN and Puppet is last because we know from FNAF 6 that she will not move on till everyone else does.

[@v1ct0rygames32]

ITP, the novels, etc say the MCI die in 1985 HW2 says Charlie dies in 1983 with the keypad. The order is likely when they moved on

[@kerosarriola5979]

@@jeremymorris345 I never thought of that. I kind of like that.

[@edgarallanpoelagusmarjorita]

i am also charlie -> cc -> elizabeth; i was pleasantly surprised that this video came to the same conclusion. what got me on the cc -> elizabeth train was actually the fnaf movie! my interpretation of the fnaf movie was that it was something of an au, where the two main fathers of the series swapped children. not that this is *explicitly* what the movie is; it's moreso a matter of parallels. in the movie, the cc standin dies before the elizabeth standin, and overwhelmingly so, dying before she was even conceived. i've always assumed that elizabeth was something of a filler baby following the death of cc.

[@mysteryx14210]

I really like this video and almost convinced me, however it contradicts a theory I feel stronger in. In Midnight Motorist, I believe we are watching a drunk William driving to his house. We walks past his wife, who weakly tells Will to leave "him" alone. The "him" in question being Michael. Michael being lured by Fredbear to Freddy's. This all occurring after Dave's death, causing his mother to be absent/grieving and William to be abusive towards Mike. However, the source code calls this part of the mini game, "Later that night...". With William driving a purple car and it raining, seems to be connecting to Charlie's death. In this case, it would be impossible for Dave to be dead before Charlie gets killed. I also look at it from a storytelling perspective. FNAF 4 (at this time) was the end of the series, so my thought is, "Why would Scott show us this!" FNAF 4 is both the last game but also the earliest event in the timeline. So what else would be as fitting as showing us the villain's motivation (and also the protagonist's, but that's also if you believe Mike is the protag which I'm not defending rn). The focus of FNAF 4 is watching Dave's final week before his death. Dave's death is the climax of the story, implying that it is both important and impactful. And there are only two characters it would have an impact on. Mike and William.

[@Takejiro24]

100% agree with this (both MikeDreamer and MikeRunaway).

[@GJames-Legend101]

Hey Hyper Droid, i recently rewatched your Fazbear Entertainment Business video and i went on wiki and remember theirs are 3 Clients to Afton Robotics LLC other than Chicas Party World. 1. Birthday Party Booking 2. Crewman Installation 3. Screws, Bolts and Hairpins

[@firewings9954]

I also believe CharlieFirst, CCSecond, and ElizaThird, but I don't agree with CharlieFinalSpeaker. I think Plushbear kinda has to be William.

[@hellomitchell]

Idk if it’s William, but it being charlie has no proof

[@unosocongorra5779]

@@hellomitchell Just the motif of helping children. She _technically_ "put back together" the missing kids and guide them to possess the animatronics. I don't believe Fredbear Plush is Charlie, just wanted to connect this

[@hellomitchell]

@@unosocongorra5779 yea i mentioned that in another comment, i wouldn’t count it as evidence though.

[@Lundcraft]

Great video and theory! I think a problem is, that many in the fandom have probably have their mindset on that the Crying Child is first, so it's something that's hard to change one's thoughts on.

[@msgen02]

I thought that the puppet’s grave was last. I haven’t played HW2 myself yet, but from what I’ve seen the order is chica, foxy, freddy, bonnie, golden freddy, puppet. That might mean something else besides death order tho.

[@Lundcraft]

@@msgen02 Omg, you might be right, that's my mistake, I completely missremembered that! Gonna edit that, thank you!

[@msgen02]

@@Lundcraft That’s okay! It’s hard to memorize all of fnaf’s lore lol!

[@EighmyLupin]

So many can't handle their crush (Afton) is just evil and not a sympathetic guy

[@ezequielin5058]

You Know That The Sentence About William Inflicting A Wound First On Henry Doesnt Disprove Dave/CC-First, Right? William Wasnt The One Who Killed Dave, It Was Michael, So Charlie Would Still Be William's First Kill/Wound Anyways

[@thepixelman4776]

I’m really glad you bring up Aftons history in other parts of the franchise; something i realized that really cemented the death order for me is that when you think about it….. when has William ever actually been shown to care about his kids at all (not counting things like the plush where it’s dubious if it’s him)? Nothing I know of aside like some slight bittersweet feeling after KILLING Mike. Also it’s pretty clear the guys already a terribly abusive father long before everything began; like all 3 of the Afton kids are HEAVILY traumatized in ways that feel like they couldn’t just come from the events of the story. I’m not trying to be the“ugh why can’t he just evil bunny man”, I get the appeal of Dave being first narratively, it’s just personally I think Charlie makes more sense (and also I kinda like that it adds more for Charlie’s story and arguably Dave’s).

[@copper-dragons]

I feel like the order is CC, Charlie, then Elizabeth, CC got bit, leading William to kill Charlie, and then leading to him realizing the Puppet acting unusual and creating the Funtimes, leading to the death of Elizabeth Edit: that whole "a wound first inflicted on me" line is specifically talking about the murders caused by William, and CC was never killed by William, if you look at the phrasing of the line compared to the line itself, it's clearly talking about Willaim's murders specifically, not deaths by the hands of an animatronics

[@theknockoutladysaint23]

I still want to know why Fredbear has a mouth on his stomach. I used to think it's because he saw Elizabeth being scooped by Baby.

[@malohn2068]

One thing I never really understood about midnight motorist. Isn't it illegal to be buried outside of a graveyard? Like.. If a kid died wouldnt burying them in the backyard be hella sus?

[@GalvyTheTom]

Assuming the series as a whole takes place in Hurricane, Utah, then there’s actually nothing illegal about it - according to at least a couple sources there’s no law prohibiting burying someone on their own property in the state. There’s certainly considerations to be made about the rules for specific areas like counties or cities, and it’s certainly going to be suspicious given the specific circumstances here, but it’s not illegal.

[@chris_me_llaman]

I really like this theory. It's literally, what I believe already but, with evidence I always fail to find.

[@WolfHardcorps]

If your timeline works (and i think it does), the Midnight Motorist gets really easy to solve: the runaway is the Crying Child, and he is probably bullied by kids constantly, like the person on the couch watching TV that probably is Michael said: "Leave him alone tonight. He had a rough day." I think that William's negligence started Dave's paranoia, he was probably bullied in school for misinterpreting people getting into springlock suits, and since William is secretive about his work, he'd probably say nothing to his kids, only give orders. That would send Dave into a spiral he'd never get out from. Or Mrs. Afton died and William buried her, and Dave saw that, thought he killed her. Though this up to speculation, and it's not probable. Still, William is responsible. And this is the time Mike is supportive to Dave, which says that Dad's negligence to Mike has gotten to Mike's soul later down the line and that he turned up just like his dad after William left the family for his experiments (due to Puppet being posessed). An abusive father raises abusive children. Not too far off to suggest that Mike was the first "reluctant follower" to Will, getting the latest idea of "William always had an accomplice" and pinpointing it's origin.

[@higueraft571]

>And this is the time Mike is supportive to Dave, which says that Dad's negligence to Mike has gotten to Mike's soul later down the line and that he turned up just like his dad after William left the family for his experiments Admittedly, a counter-point: It DOES almost seem more like William's family is closer to that of a Narcissist's Household. Elizabeth being the Golden Child, someone shaped in his image, but punished when she steps out of line, desperately seeking his Validation (which we see in the Novels, and in 6). Michael being the Punching Bag, especially if Michael WERE the Runaway in MM, William taking his anger out on his eldest son over and over, especially if you take the implication at the end as a lead-in to the Experiments/torturing his own son. And after this point, he becomes an Obedient puppet. CC is the Forgotten One. Generally ignored by William more often than not, and the punching bag of Michael. Someone he can take his own frustration and anger out on without fearing what William would do, like if he were doing so to Elizabeth or William instead. Infact, if William is speaking to CC in 4, you can even read the dialogue as INTENTIONALLY putting a divide between the two. Reminding CC how much his Brother *hates* him, how he likes the suffering, how much CC should despise and never trust him... Cutting off any potential aid, isolating CC.

[@thepixelman4776]

To add on to that: I think it’s the Big Bite specifically that pushed Mike into being his Dads puppet. During MM assuming he’s couch person, he comes off like he’s a tween-teen (something like that) just trying to get by despite his awful home life. He knows he can’t do much to stop William, but he’s not afraid of him; at best a begrudging respect. But after the bite, he’s full of guilt, fear and self hatred over what he caused. I can imagine him getting an attitude (Likely spurred on by Williams emotional manipulation) of “This is what happens when I don’t listen to Father; father is the genius and the one in charge; I need to listen to everything father says from now on; if I do that, maybe I could finally be forgiven on day”. And at that point he never talk back or disobeys William ever leading to how different he sounds in his SL speech (aside yknow being dead).

[@GalvyTheTom]

That first part feels… out-of-character for Mike. He’s pretty clearly a huge bully to the Crying Child during the events of FNAF 4, and it’s not something new - CC is used to it, if still very scared of what he does. I can’t exactly imagine him being supportive to CC, even involving William.

[@higueraft571]

@GalvyTheTom >I can’t exactly imagine him being supportive to CC And this, absolutely. He wouldnt flip on a dime from a caring brother to someone outright tormenting him day and night like an asshole while getting joy out of it.

[@edemaiscomtheovieira2718]

I personally believe that Charlie dies in Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, because the bullies in the FNAF 6 Security Puppet minigame's bracelets are the same colors as the eyes of the classic animatronics, implying that, just like the Puppet protected Charlie, the classics protected some of the kids at the location.

[@GogetaSon-p1z]

I think it's Elizabeth before CC, as that would explain why he'd be terrified of the animatronics because he saw it "eating" Elizabeth and later on had nightmares about a scarier Fredbeat with teeth to eat him in his belly. Plus it's not that rare for a child to see someone dies in a horrible way in the FNaF Universe.

[@dillydraws]

But where would he be to even witness that event when Baby was counting the children plus he already think the Animatronic eats people since he saw the working getting the suit put on him, why add 2 reasons for animatronic eating

[@ELYSIAISPEAK]

Honestly I doubt it. I’m pretty sure that Fredbears diner was the first ever restaurant that William and Henry opened and I doubt he’d get THAT advanced so quickly.

[@GalvyTheTom]

⁠@ELYSIAISPEAKAlso, it’d be pretty suspicious to Henry if William was casually building murder-robots this early on while they’re still working together at Fredbear’s - I doubt his closest co-worker/friend and co-CEO of Fazbear Entertainment would be able to start an entirely new project that’s definitely related to the Fazbear brand (otherwise William would immediately get sued for using versions of Freddy and Foxy) without Henry or someone else in the command chain close to him vetting it. Like… if his response to this was immediately booting him from the company and reporting him to the police for at least soliciting to murder instead of effectively sticking his head in the sand, then suddenly Charlie’s death seems even more completely preventable. Besides, HandUnit describes Circus Baby’s Pizza World as being opened after the closure of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza. Fredbear’s wouldn’t even be closed by this point in the timeline, so placing Circus Baby’s this early is way too inconsistent.

[@Theorypilled]

You're actually the best fnaf theorist. Never stop. Been watching game theory for like 8(?) Years and somehow your theories feel more real and onto the truth

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

To all the people who disagree with the “wound first inflicted on me” point let ask you this, why doesn’t he say something like this, he blamed my creations for the death of his son. And also explain why in both the novel trilogy and the movie there is no implication that his son is the reason for all of this.

[@thomasschellenberg3962]

Dave: I died first! Charlie: No, I did! Elizabeth: I don’t even know at this point…

[@unosocongorra5779]

- 40 years later - Charlie: So, which of us died first, again? Dave: I forgor 💀

[@marticarajd330]

Great video, I definitely see a logical chain here. However, doesn't it seem strange to you that neither Plush Fredbear nor BV himself makes any comments on the scene of putting a suit on an employee, as if this is something he sees every day. Which makes me doubt that it's this or a similar scene that makes him afraid of animatronics. Dig deeper into this topic, I found it interesting that the security puppet was installed inside the location. But the question is: why? If nothing criminal had happened at that time, right? I don't think so, because there are posters on the back alley that resemble wanted posters, which depict a man in a hat. This is how William Afton was portrayed in FFPS promotional cutscenes, he almost always wore a hat there. Could it be that something happened before Charlie's death? Something MCI-alike? I also think of the mini-game "Stage 01" from FNAF 3, where all the cells show three children, but one of them has only two children, implying that one of the children was kidnapped. Maybe that's what the BV saw. What led to the installation of the security puppet inside the building?

[@K01_keeper]

I like the theory but there’s not much backing it up, this kidnapping is never mentioned again and it can’t be MCI as that happens in 1985 and happened in kills of 2 then 3 as seen in the fnaf 1 posters.

[@spitegames]

yeah this works for me. im not necessarily a believer that the toy animatronics are haunted, and i personally dislike anything that tries to bring a "mrs afton" into the picture (but i agree that the room doesnt necessarily have to be elizabeths because, supposedly, fnaf4 was to be the final game). i dont see anything else here as a stretch or reaching, and it is a logical chain of events! well done! you've changed my mind

[@cheddadoodle]

This is just one of those theories I can hardly disagree with. My only problem is just that, if the Crying Child saw an employee being helped into a suit and was traumatized by his own misinterpretation of it, then how come he has no reaction to seeing it a second time during the Fnaf 4 minigames?

[@broschannel3982]

He seen it already

[@cheddadoodle]

@@broschannel3982 But if *that's* what traumatized him, why does he have *no* reaction to seeing it a second time?

[@Girlfriekdd]

@@cheddadoodleWell his reaction could be his sprite crying not to mention as soon as the Fredbear employee pulls up to him he falls to the ground.

[@cheddadoodle]

@Girlfriekdd He was already crying though.

[@Girlfriekdd]

@ true lol.Well u have a point but I just think that cc misunderstood something to be afraid.This is why it was set up in the teaser like ‘What is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood’

[@scottcockton]

Mr hippo was right about sometimes a story just a story and looking to into it. We’re so used to villains having tragic backstory that we just instinctively think that they need a reason to be evil when sometimes the real answer is people are crazy. They do it for the fun of it.

[@katy_banks]

i do like this order and i'm glad you tocuhed on midnight motorist, as the only strange thing about that order is if Charlie dies first and midnight motorsist is "later that night" and the mound really is a grave one of the kids is visiting, whose would it be? Possibly Mrs Afton's grave, otherwise idk, as it's likely that "that place again" is the secret mound. but i always liked Mike to be the person in grey watching tv who Afton speaks to in the game and is brave enough to try and get some lighter leeway for the kid (grey/tv = Mike) so it being crying child who escapes, therefore him dying afer Charlie, works well too! Just so many loops to make the order of three things fit any way you try to order them, as is the fnaf way. but i think this is definetely a good possible order!

[@unosocongorra5779]

Yeah, and what about the animatronic footprints? Supposedly there aren't haunted robots yet, and I don't think anyone would be outside wearing a springlock suit with rain on the way.

[@Joshside-d7k]

Hyper Droid absolutely cooking as usual

[@cassieradrayguns9732]

this theory is great but ignores Chicka saying "i was the first" constantly. maybe Susie was killed at Henry's restaurant leading to the creation of the puppet to keep Charlie safe and inside. then she also dies, then Dave later on.

[@Charlie._.Niron22]

You know, if Charlie died first and the Puppet’s brokendown body was found on top of her corpse, it would have made Dave more suspicious of the animatronics, lighting the candle of anxiety within him, if you will. It just grew and grew as the days go by until later when he saw someone getting into the Fredbear suit, he might have misunderstood what happened, because of his growing anxiety and the fact that he is a kid. Given his lingering anxiety over Charlie’s death, that small candle of fear could have erupted into a fire, explaining why he’s so terrified of the animatronics, right?

[@Kyran-j2y]

I think Scott giving the Purple Guy children was a mistake

[@GippyHappy]

I wonder if changing Charlie's death date from Oct 1982 to ??? 1983 is the "one retcon no one noticed" that Scott mentioned.

[@maddoxjaramillo9360]

Honestly, it'd make sense and it fits pretty well.

[@Trontotario]

It has to be before fnaf 6

[@HyperDroid]

That's be a good idea and I can see why you'd think that, although I don't think it's that when you keep the release dates of these things in mind because that statement about the retcon was made before FNAF 6 and the Fourth Closet both released, meaning for us to be ABLE to notice it'd have to be in something already released

[@JuicetheRat]

Hey Hyper Droid, just wanted to say thanks for the use of the fnaf asset drive, it was a huge help in making my first FNAF video! It's about whether or not Paul Blart could survive FNAF

[@yisusito2553]

I gotta admit that I don't mind Afton's motivation to kill Charlotte being jealousy, since there's not much else to explain it (unless we just state that he was drunk by using Midnight Motorist as our only source of potential motivation), but at the same time, the source of this implied jealousy comes from a time where is also implied that Afton is trying to replicate something Henry achieved, that thing that Afton himself labelled on the same novel as "Love". Later in the same trilogy is explained how Afton considered Henry unworthy of finding that "unique spark", believing that men like him were supposed to achieve that kind of "flame". And what he was talking about all along was Henry's capacity to leave a piece of himself in "Charlie", something that comes after Charlotte's death. So, to me, it would make sense that those notes were talking about the "unique spark"; the wound that Henry let bleed out to cause everything else that came later in the timeline. That's why they're also pointing to Afton's worship towards Henry, since it's also implied in the third novel how Afton can't steal Henry's credit on Circus Baby's creation, for example.

[@GJames-Legend101]

Hyper Droids been cooking with these fnaf videos. Honesty I’m convinced at this point that Scott doesn’t even know what the order is. I used to believe that the first death was David but now I’m not fully sure anymore, now this is a long stretch but is it possible that William and/or Henry had some other Relative or someone they knew that died that we haven’t seen yet. I also had this idea that the Funtime Animatronics were originally made to be Average Advance Entertainers but once William became a Deranged Serial Killer/Mad Scientist he Repurposed them to be Killing Machines (also why didn’t William put some kind of Programming on the Funtimes to not kill his kids). I once had this thought in my head that Charlie’s death came after the 1985 MCI, hence why Henry made the Security Puppet to Watch Charlie since kids were going missing, but I’m not so sure anymore, in the books he kills Charlie and seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Henry so maybe he killed Charlie to get closer to Henry in some sick way. An idea I had is that Scott makes a 2d Animated Five Night’s at Freddy’s Series that combines Lore Elements from the Games (Including Spinoffs and Fan Games) the Books (the Silver Eyes Trilogy - Fazbear Frights - Tales From the Pizzaplex and the Interactive Novels) and Movies (including Movies inspired by Fnaf and Change certain things so that it can fit while also adding in new Elements and stuff that could help Clarify stuff and add new Mysteries, as for the Animation/Artstyle I can imagine it being something like Invincible or My Adventures with Superman. As for Streaming Services I can see KZbin TV - Netflix - Peacock and Paramount +.

[@Trontotario]

I fully agree except with the Fredbear plush. We’ve never seen bite victim pour all his agony onto the plush however we did see him do so onto the actual Fredbear. I think it’s very possible that Fredbear is haunted by the bite victim’s agony which is why we can still hear crying in the week before.

[@unosocongorra5779]

I mostly agree with the theory; but I believe Charlie was killed outside Freddy's, despite what's depicted in the novels. In Into the Pit, there are six dead kids in the recreated Freddy's. The five ones lured by William (MCI) and Charlie. Midnight Motorist takes place right after Charlie's murder, and there we see William returning home, fleeing the crime scene. The Afton house is near Fredbear's, so why would William be on the highway? In the books, Freddy's is located in Hurricane, meanwhile Fredbear's in New Harmony: a town to the north. And both are separated by a long stretch of road irl. Plus, in the Fall Fest poster the Puppet is featured alongside Freddy and the gang, not Fredbear and Spring Bonnie. It doesn't really change anything, just a small detail I wanted to discuss. There are some other weird things, but great video!

[@theunderwatercrew7553]

I really like all the points you bring up in this video and really want to believe it. My one issue with this is I really like Michael runaway for MM, but with Charlotte dying first I have to think of a BV runaway theory which is a lot more difficult for me. Either way great video!

[@Blinky-dh9bg]

Great video

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Admittedly I am more inclined to take "a wound first inflicted on me" more at face value due to the idea of Henry initially working with William, only to then betray him somehow, likely after figuring out the true character of William. It would make sense, not that I'm sure it is narratively more satisfying.

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

There are two things I want to point out for fun. In sister location there are a lot of things that seem to reference the puppet. From more obvious ones like the minireenas, Little Joe and the other toys, to more obscure ones like Ballora (I recommend watching She’s always nervous or Perseidlabs video on the week before to see why I believe she is ment to represent the Puppet). The fact that Afton has a lot of references seems to suggest that he has an interest in the Puppet in particular. Heck, now that I think about it could this be why the CC wears a black shirt with white stripes. The second is that in Secret of the Mimic there a character named Jackie. Jackie seems to be some kind of puppet/Circus Baby predecessor judging by the music box and her appearance. Considering how important the puppet is to this franchise and the fact that they specifically chose her to be the one that shown off in the game about the Mimic, I believe the game would at least imply that Afton’s obsession with the puppet started with Jackie.

[@In_TheMoonlight]

I can’t say agree with the whole theory but you make some compelling points and have gotten me to think about thinks in a different way. Great video!

[@StrawTadpole701]

I am convinced that Charlie died first then Elisabeth and last CC. We have to remember that Baby was built to capture children so Willy has to mad before,also Henry said that Charlie died first in FFPS

[@aumberrandhawa6072]

I think you are one of my favourite fnaf theorist because of how well you set up the evidence to lead to your conclusion. I do have some counterpoints though. The connection that the observation space in SL means it is set up before Elizabeth's death is a bit finicky. The game takes place in the rental company which was made after Elizabeth's death so it could have been made after Elizabeth's death as much as it could've been before. This feels more like an assumption than a concrete fact to base your theory on. This one is more of my observation that I want your opinion on than a critique. You said that Dave probably just saw someone getting into a springlock costume but we see him crying before the "purple guy puts someone in a springlock" scene. Also when Dave refers to his plushes as "friends", a lot of people assume it's a metaphor for him not having friends. But considering this is a franchise centered around kids in animatronics, I feel like the more obvious answer is that he is saying that his friends are the characters. Occam's razor and all that, if it's already established that freddy's characters are actually kids and then you see a kid referring to his other kid friends as said characters- it's probably because they got stuffed. And we see a kid in the Golden Freddy costume before the Bite. I know people think it's wire but why would Scott show that as scary Dave and why would the wire be brown? Plus if it's true than it would make sense why William is so closely monitoring his son if he knew about his murderous escapades. And Happiest Day makes more sense because Dave didn't originally have friends at his party because they were dead and now he can move on because his friends can be at his party. Anyways great theory, your evidence for Charlie being first is really strong, I'll def be quoting you to my friends when we end up arguing about fnaf again. People cherry pick a lot from the Silver Eyes book about William but always leave out the motivation that it clearly shows to make him seem a bit more sympathetic.

[@xephomephiles]

I do want to suggest an alternate interpretation of "the wound first inflicted on me." This doesn't necessarily mean that Charlotte was the first death. Henry equates the "wound" to William's crimes. Meaning that the first of William's crimes was Charlotte's death. But Dave could still die first, because his death was not William's doing. If anything, it was Michael's. Dave already is very disconnected from the other events going on, such as (potentially) already being put to rest before FNAF6, unlike every other character. Another thought I wanted to share in support to the order being Dave -> Charlotte -> Elizabeth: "Later That Night" includes Jr's, which is a very deliberate and purposeful choice. All that we know about Jr's is that William is turned away from the place, the green man outside says that he can't be back here (implying William was there prior to Charlotte's death) and that its not associated with any Fazbear location. To me, this screams that Jr's is a bar. And I'm sure many agree. This, matched with William's chaotic (or drunk) driving in the actual gameplay of Midnight Motorist, along with William's aggressive and abusive behavior when returning home, suggests that William was heavily drinking at Jr's earlier in the night, and then after being thrown out, had some reason - fueled by anger - to go to the location where Charlotte was. (I know the video suggests it's Fredbear's but in the first minigame we see of Charlotte's death in FNAF 2, the animatronic present in Freddy, not Fredbear. And Fredbear's existed canonically at the time of FNAF 2 and Scott would know that Fredbear's was hosted by a yellow Fredbear and Spring Bonnie, since FNAF 3 was also in the works during this time. So to me, in that first minigame, having Freddy be one animatronic we see suggests the building was a Freddy's, not a Fredbear's) ANYWAYS, so William is suggested to be heavily drinking, angry (due to the behavior he exhibits while driving and at home) and has reason to go to Freddy's and kill Charlotte. That, to me, screams that there was more of a reason to kill Charlotte than just a worship/hate relationship with Henry. The books change so much about Charlie/Charlotte as a character and change much about her even between the books that, in my opinion, using the books feels way too flimsy and unreliable. Especially since during the writing of the books, the games were going through major direction changes, from a simple trilogy to a more complicated hexology with dream theory somehow existing in the middle of that. ANYWAYS (again), "Later That Night" implies alot about William's behavior which suggests more reasoning to Charlotte's murder than just William being jealous of Henry. It feels like this was revenge, that William was grief-stricken, drinking his pain away and wanted Henry, this "perfect man" to feel his own pain. (Sidebar: to offer an explanation for what is happening at the Afton household in "Later That Night," I do believe the kid is Michael, and that he likely ran off to go see Dave's grave, which could be the mound. William's promising to punish him may tie into the theory that FNAF4 (in part) was Michael being put through the experiments. This also suggest that by the night Charlotte is murdered, Dave is already dead if William is willing to punish Michael with the experiments. Similar to William getting revenge on Henry by killing Charlotte, William sees the experiments as revenge on Michael for being the one to directly kill Dave. He forces Michael to go through what Dave did, both as punishment, and to test Remnant and Agony. Regarding the figure on the couch, that could easily be Ms. Afton. Yes, yes, I know. The grey shirt, grey text, darker skin, and the habit of watching TV do all point to that character being Michael. BUT, this could still be Ms. Afton because, well all of those traits and behaviors were inherited by Michael. Ms. Afton could have darker skin, and Michael inherits that genetic trait. The grey text could be symbolic of Michael's relationship to his mother, especially at this point when there must be extremely high and aggressive tension between him and his father. TV watching could be a form of grief for Ms. Afton, and a habit amongst the family, seen with Michael in SisLoc and in the memory we recover at the end of FNAF World, which could be of Michael Dave, and Elizabeth watching TV together.) Look, I'm not trying to make William a sympathetic character. But, I feel like the games are pointing towards there being more reasoning, still twisted and deluded, but more reasoning to William's actions than just him being the way he is. Both characterizations can work. He can be a sick individual who was obsessed with and hated Henry, and also be conflicted by feelings of revenge. If Dave died first, obviously it wasn't Henry's fault. But in William's fucked up view of the world, he still blames him. Likewise, when Elizabeth dies, William doesn't blame himself. He just moves on with the experiments and treats Elizabeth like unfortunate collateral. He's clearly very narcissistic, quick to extremes, short-tempered, obsessive. The same reasoning for why he just decides to kill Charlotte for no reason, can still work under the idea he's operating under revenge.

[@godylh]

This is a really interesting theory and I like this video a lot. I intend for the rest of this comment to be in the most respectful and kindest way possible: I really can’t ignore midnight motorist. Recently, William was confirmed as the protagonist of Midnight Motorist in Five Laps at Freddie’s. I believe in the theory that the mini game displays William running away from the murder of Charlie and that the large pile of dirt is the crying child’s grave. This would alter the kill order featured in the video, placing the crying child as the one killed the earliest. The only question I have about Midnight Motorist (assuming the person on the couch is Micheal): who is William searching for inside of the house? Maybe it is Mrs. Afton on the couch and he is calling out Micheal? Idk and I could be completely wrong about all of this. I still enjoyed this video a lot and find this perspective very interesting (in a good way).

[@michaellynes3540]

Evan Afton dies first after his brother, Michael, caused the Bite of ‘83. Charlotte Emily dies second on Halloween of ‘83 by William Afton in a drunken fit of rage. Elizabeth Afton dies third after getting too close to Circus Baby.

[@AloneTheorist]

The survival logbook having Crying Child/Dave and Cassidy interacting within it's pages as Mike is using it in universe indicates that they were in the remnant that he was injected with by Ennard in SL. All 3 characters are interacting with the book at the same time and intersecting eachother. The ONLY logical way this could occur in universe is remnant which in turn comes from the canon ending of SL. The books pages, particularly the early ones have strange large grey patches on them in addition to the large bloodstains. This would indicate that Mike acquired the book after the Fnaf 3 fire, throwing into question the possibility of him being the Fnaf 3 guard considering as Mike is leaving SL in his speech, Springtrap is also leaving the burned remains of Fazbear's Fright, if Mike still has to track down his father as per his speech; "There's only one thing left for me to do now, I'm going to come find you. I'M GOING TO COME FIND YOU." Mike still has to hunt his father at this point because as he was leaving the SL bunker for the final time, Fazbear's Fright was burning down. This means that the logbook had to come from the auction due to it's poor condition with it's sooty, bloodstained pages.

[@TheSwordsman100]

I agree with this death order, though from what I've seen most people think the girl with the broken Chica toy is Elisabeth due to the location, breaking toy thing which ties her back to the mangle toy and even the broken toy in Dave's room and how she acts so familiar with Dave.

[@CosmereInformant]

this is the order I've subscribed to for years. none of the other orders seemed to make sense

[@MakinItRain24-7]

0:27 Happy Birthday!!! Out of curiosity are you a leap year baby?

[@Katanavasaosasae]

Agree on everything! But what I want to mention: if Elizabeth wasn't born at the bite of 83, but Mrs Afton left the family or is dead, who gave birth to Elizabeth? Her mother is probably around at this point, and lives with them, possibly leaving after Crying Child's death and giving birth to her daughter Maybe there's a second wife of William, but WHY. Or maybe I just need some sleep.

[@foxybro7997]

Even though I also ugly that Charlie is the first victim in this series, I also believe that the bite of 83 happened before she was killed and Fredbear's still opened just with a Freddy animatronic now then charile die and made a promise to Garrett/ BV after he die

[@LunarSB1983]

Before watching (will edit after watching)-for the past year and a half I’ve been thinking that the death order for these three could possibly be Cc, Charlie, and then Liz-which I think could be for a few reasons (not saying because otherwise this comment will be a mile long) but let me watch this and I’ll edit this after Edit: okay yeah no-that’s fair I do legit see it now lol

[@pedenrique3429]

What if we focus on the colors? The scene in which Charlie dies is presented in black and white. Shadow Freddy, who appears in the introduction minigame of FNAF Pizzeria Simulator, is also shown in black and white. (This would support your theory that Fredbear Plush is Charlie, and also Shadow Freddy.) Also Happiest Day is shown in black and white. Is there anything else in black and white that we can connect to Charlie?

[@lightdarksoul2097]

If charlie did die first it would explain why William didn't take her body for research or experiments like the funtimes were later for. He killed her and ran, it was anger and likely just a way to hurt his partner. Also wouldn't it be ironic that him killing Charlie and getting the puppet likely removed from fredbears for failing at the job, basically ensured there would be no shot for his son to be saved. If the puppet was around watching maybe it could have stopped Mike and the others from killing CC

[@Lar-xb5uo]

I love all theories, so yours was really good !!

[@sassine3]

YEAH THANK U BRO

[@EssiePleasant]

Theory: Elizabeth Was the First to Die, and It Broke the Afton Family Here’s the timeline: Elizabeth dies first. She disobeys William, gets scooped by Baby, and boom-she’s gone. That’s why the girl’s room in FNAF 4 is empty. William, devastated, spirals into remnant experiments, completely ignoring Michael and Dave (Crying Child). Next, Charlotte dies because of William’s obsession. She was Henry’s daughter, and maybe William saw her as an obstacle-or a test subject. Either way, she’s the first soul to possess an animatronic (Puppet), kicking off the haunted animatronic chaos. Last, Dave dies in the Bite of ’83. Why? Because Michael, ignored by his father, takes out his frustration on Dave. He bullies him relentlessly-until he shoves him into Fredbear’s mouth, sealing his fate. So in short: Elizabeth’s death broke William, Charlotte’s death escalated everything, and Dave was the final tragic piece. And Michael? Left alone, haunted by guilt.

[@MarquaviusDingleton]

I think you are correct !

[@purpose88]

i want to share my opinion and go one by one with what u said but before that ,i totaly agree with u about Elizabeth dying last that makes total sense no words about that. So lets start with the line "A wound first inflicted one me" i wanna say a william having a wound must come from somewhere and that wound makes william inflict on Henry. Since he says "on me first" implying Dave dying caused william to kill Charlie as his first victim after Dave dying and the animatronics causing Dave death means what William has done first after Dave is killing Charlie as being jealous from journals. Secondly as the girl outside in fnaf 4, her line may have caused by just Dave himself bcs mostly traumas that happened to kids/people to hear/see what they dont or want to hear/see and that might be just a simple scary part for Dave to cause him to make him still scared after stuff them moving is still happening bcs they still move either it's possessed or not they are just killing to move or hurt to move when they possessed which Dave may think like that and think they will come after him etc. Alchemist's Fantasy part firstly i didnt know this nice to learn it but my opinion is why its called like that is him learning the supernatural there by Charlie possessing showing him that there is a way he can bring back Dave to life so william's fantasy would be true as he wants to bring back Dave. If we come to closing the Diner part idk much to say the things u say makes sense but it would be better if u mentioned/showed what hinted at through the games for a watcher perspective but u might be right about that one. As the Motive part yes it might be what u mention in the video too but it might be just Dave dying may caused too bcs he is jealous of henry having a kid on his own while he lost one so both options may have happened and u cant say which one it is imo. as the "I will put u back together" part when i listened first i felt like wow thats actually so true but after some thinking it might be William saying after he learns about Charlie's supernatural stuff but then that would conflict with william learning supernatural by Charlie's death means she died first but in the game we playing recreation of Dave's stuff so william might actually thinking us dave and saying that etc (this felt like bs when i wrote it but eh). Fall fest part kinda u conflict what u say and idk much to say bcs idk much about it so i wouldn't want to talk more than i know. (sorry for my poor English and reply in anyway u want)

[@matthewtheunstoppable8311]

I personally think C.C and Charlie died the same day. (aka October 31st 1983)

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

Also in RTTP there is a PlushBaby/Eleanor in 1985. If it is Plushbaby then Elizabeth can't of died then as PlushBaby has blue eyes and if it's Eleanor then Baby is a character at that time with Eleanor basing her design of her. Unless she is the agony from Elizabeth dieing in Baby that also means Elizabeth died post MCI. And also something that pisses me off on the debate, people say it isn't Eleanor due to her red cheeks whike the book says the doll has pink cheeks, Eleanor originally had pink cheeks in the first image we see of her and that is a reference to that.

[@150booyadragon]

When suddenly the louder voices were saying Elizabeth died first, I thought the simulation broke and I ended up in a new instance wondering how the hell people thought the funtimes could possibly come before the first iterations of the animatronics that killed Dave and the second iteration that existed when Charlie was killed. William didn't kill or cause the death of Dave, it was Michael. Bad parent yes but that's not the topic right now. CC/Dave's death causing him to go and drunkingly murder Charlie is the most logical, the most timeline fitting and the most likely scenario. Making deaths Dave > Charlie > MCI > DCI / Funtimes / Elizabeth

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

Nice video 👍 (different opinion alert) I heard ID Fantasy say something similar to this in one Livestream so Forgive me if i misquote or Add on to it. "I think it is harder to argue that William never cared for his children or to such a small degree that he ignored their Deaths". No matter how evil We know Afton to be I Cannot believe he just shrugged his shoulders after his son and daughter Died. Look how HENRY Lost his f*cking mind in basically all iterations when he lost a child. He Immediately tried to bring her back made Robots of her, then lost him mine completely and offed himself. For me its impossible for such a massive change in character to be shown for Henry and not have it happened to Afton in some way just because he's Evil?

[@vaewulfs]

we are also shown William shrugging off his kids deaths in the movie and TFC, I don't see why your using Henry(a different character to William)s reaction to Charlies death as proof of how WILLIAM would feel about his own kids when we are also shown how William feels about Elizabeth at least in that same book. It also ignores how the entire point of TFC is William could never create "life" the way Henry can because he can't love.

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

@@vaewulfs I just think it's a lot harder to argue that William doesn't care about his kids to such a degree as to not care in the slightest when the child is Killed. Now to be fair Henry and William are different characters. But I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that Afton who had three children having that number reduced to 1 Took some mental toll. Maybe losing a child like Henry made the little screws Afton had left loose. I just don't understand the argument "he's so evil His children's deaths don't affect him in any way", WHY Would Scott write CC's death and not have it also affect William in a similar way to Michael?

[@vaewulfs]

@@j.r.tomlin4265 because it wasn’t for William, if CCs death was as important for Williams character as you say we would of had an equivalent in the novel trilogy and movie, in the movie we have Garrett for Mike, but we don’t have the same for William as so it seems. CC was just never for Williams character development, we don’t even know if Scott had Mike and CC being aftons planned for FNAF 4

[@vaewulfs]

@@j.r.tomlin4265 because it wasn’t for William, if CCs death was as important for Williams character as you say we would of had an equivalent in the novel trilogy and movie, in the movie we have Garrett for Mike, but we don’t have the same for William as so it seems. CC was just never for Williams character development, we don’t even know if Scott had Mike and CC being aftons planned for FNAF 4

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

@@vaewulfs I guess that's the biggest problem with Fnaf retroactive storytelling. We have this and then it becomes that. It's hard to come up with theories and interpretation of anything when you don't verify what's important or cannon Ect.

[@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny]

Doenst summer occurs before haloween? That direclry states that ceying child should be death and then charlie, by some motnhs of diference

[@A12anne]

I still can't agree with Charlie being first. See, Afton being a mad man isn't enough to convince me to be a good motive for killing her. Also not a reason why he'd suddently be going to bars and getting drunk right before he killed her. Same for the mother being depressed at the same timing. Only thing you've convinced me is that Elizabeth was first and Dave last. The fast that fazbear had to be still in operation is something i don't know why we all choose to look away from. So my order went from Dave-Charlie-Elizabeth, to Elizabeth-Charlie-Dave. He's not revenging on Charlie, but on top of his madness, he becomes depressed and drunk, thus kill Charlie.

[@SIs-v7w]

LOVED IT!💕

[@RogerMollet]

Elizabeth could have been with her mother when her young brother died and when he was in around the neighborhood.

[@doodis3521]

DAMN BROS COOKING WITH THIS ❤

[@UltraInstinct-Necrozma]

Oh lord he's back And he's back with a hunger for awnsers

[@RogerMollet]

Perhaps Charlie’s name could be Cassidy and Dave, the crying child, is the only spirit in golden Freddy, and his agony is what caused the vengeful spirit.

[@Rain.Crawford]

If we use UCN at all for evidence, then you need to explain why Chica says she's first?

[@oliver1820]

Hyperdroid. U are a genius Naw like this is just right, I’ve never seen some of these pieces of evidence be mentioned before U the goat

[@owenlee5587]

Why do you think Chica says "I was the first, I have seen everything?"

[@jjslide1]

What about the death order in HW2?

[@jennay220]

I like your train of thought in this video, but it begs the question about lighting the graves in HW2. When so little information is confirmed or explicit how do you square this theory of Charlie dying first with her grave being lit last?

[@gnarlynealy]

I’m still skeptical about Elizabeth’s placement but I 100% agree that Charlie dies first

[@iLikeCheddarPopcorn]

Time to add HyperDroid to the list of people I share a birthday with. Yipee!

[@superdarkksparda1337]

Ok but what about chika? She literally has the lime "I was the first. I have seen everything."

[@unosocongorra5779]

The line is kinda conflicting with itself. First to what? To be killed? Then how could have you seen the rest? When you die, you immediately go ghost mode? What about first to be revived, to have awakened as an animatronic? There's so many ways to interpret it. Susie/Chica couldn't have been killed first. Maybe she was the first of her group, but they died in '85, meanwhile Charlie had to die before all of them, in '83 or earlier, but before the MCI. Crying Child has to also die in '83.

[@foxyfoxy2034]

I like your idea but I think Game theory's accomplice theory gives new light to this. If we take the accomplice theory with the idea that maybe William's wife was his first accomplice. That they worked together to kill or cause harm or something. Kinda accomplice's to lovers idea. Then William's wife has their first child. Which causes William to hire someone to create the mimic to mimic his wife. So his wife stays home with the kid and William keeps killing. Then they have their second kid which causes William to focus on upgrading the business and buy out Henry to work for him instead. Taking out any competition and all that. Then they create the first actual Freddy's alongside Fredbear's. They use the puppet their to protect the kids while William does it at Fredbear's. Then CC dies causing Fredbears to close. Then William wants revenge and feels his murder ways come back and he kills Charlie. Then he sees both the puppet and Fredbear being weird. Which causes him to renovate his underground bunker, which was created when the house was made incase a Soviet attack. We know this was during the time of the Cold War. Then he makes the Funtimes to see what happens and kills Elizabeth. Elizabeth being with her mom doing something else during the FNAF 4 time. Then when William kills the kids both MCI and DCI. He uses his wife as the person who killed them. Making her the one who was arrested and taken away. But that is just my theory.

[@YuriTheChaosLord]

I can't decide if Charlie was first or if Dave/Crying Child was, but I believe Elizabeth died after them.

[@as.eiraaa]

great video i loved it

[@Genti-p1i]

I thought that we wont get good theories when MatPat left. You completly filled that whole. Actually, your theories are minimum at his level. Maybe even better. You should do other games two, if you even have the time :D

[@Eat_Donuts]

I agree with this 😀👍

[@huhthatsmad]

i am very sure the crying child dies first. that would drive william to insanity, inspiring him to kill charlie. hence, william builds a robot to extract children's souls, which kills elizabeth. simple.

[@clockworkcthulhu8195]

Bravo great theory I know that this is not really relevant anymore but I would really like an answer to why Chica/Susie says "I was the first! I have seen everything!"?

[@ZeldaWayne_Letsplays]

Susie was just of those 5 kids in particular to die not first overall

[@fanoffandoms5910]

Okay… when I started watching I was a supporter of CC (aka Dave) -> Charlie -> Elizabeth (although I believe MCI happens before Elizabeth). And after watching the video… I still believe CC (Dave) is the first kid dead in the timeline, however I can see where you’re coming from and I’m slightly torn. But let’s breakdown my thoughts on this. Yes, in other continuities, William still offs Charlie (or whichever child that belongs to the Henry stand-in) without CC in any way, showing William doesn’t need the death of his own to motivate him. However, just because it’s not William’s motive in other continuities doesn’t mean it’s crossed off as a motive. If anything, it means it’s an excuse William can use if confronted. He’s still motivated by envy and hatred towards Henry, but with CC’s death being first, he now has an excuse to lash out or get even. Such pettiness fits with William’s character. He blames Henry for CC’s death because it was Fredbear, HENRY’S animatronic that ended his youngest son’s life… even though it was WILLIAM’s negligence that allowed it to happen. That’s not even looking deep into William’s parenting which I’m don’t have enough in the world to cover. Point is, I get your points and you do bring up good points that I never considered to be honest like the Security Puppet’s creation. Again, I never considered thinking about it too hard. And if Scott EVER decides to reveal the true timeline and it reveals Charlie was the first to go, I’ll concede. HOWEVER, I don’t believe William made his Funtime Animatronics before MCI because it doesn’t make to make robots that kidnap children for experimentation before getting your hands dirty. It doesn’t make sense to me. It’s more logical for it to be the other way around, MCI happens and then at some point, William makes Circus Baby and the others to avoid getting caught… until he replicated MCI in 1987 to spite Henry. TLDR; great video even though I don’t completely agree with the conclusion.

[@11Brain_Dead11]

Now my main question, why does Chica say she's the first then?