I Spent 100+ Days Solving Pokémon's Evolutionary History

[@WinterRoseYT]

Thank you so much for watching the video! I hope you liked it, it was the most effort I’ve put into any video so far! Thank you truly so much for the recent support, it’s been mind blowing to see and has made me so incredibly happy and honoured. Truly, thank you. Now where a fun Pokémon ecosystem fact I left out of the video just for the comment readers: Minior is a filter feeding Pokémon that floats in the upper atmosphere, feeding on minerals. Because of this and their overwhelmingly large population, it’s extremely likely that Minior are the primary food source for Raqyquaza since they are the only two Pokémon known to live in the upper atmosphere (more specifically, the ozone layer)! :D EDIT: It was pointed out my chart didn’t have any of the penguins on it, so I fixed that and put them exactly where they’d go and properly labelled them, and uploaded the fixed chart! I also fixed the placement of Fomantis/Lurantis and Milcery/Alcremie. You can download it here! files.catbox.moe/bejg4u.png

[@TecTonic6810]

I love your vids!!!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@TecTonic6810 Yeah, well my videos love you too! :D

[@ACEYGAMES]

@@WinterRoseYT This implies that your videos have feelings in the real universe, but we're going to ignore that.

[@aaronmc825]

@@WinterRoseYTquestion can you do one on pikmin

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@aaronmc825 I’ve never played a pikmin game in my life. So, yes, yes I can lol

[@ethans9379]

"This is a fish". I see you've discovered the struggle of taxonomy.

[@patrickhector]

Whales are fish

[@tunnelsnake420]

​@@patrickhector aquatics mammals, that blow hole isn't for show

[@patrickhector]

@@tunnelsnake420 Taxonomically, all mammals come from the lobe-finned stony fish clade, and are therefore lobe-finned stony fish (in the same way that all birds are dinosaurs). Unless you wouldn't call lobe-finned stony fish fish, whales are fish

[@gramfero]

​@@patrickhector whales are lobe-finned stony fish

[@Spikklubba]

@@gramfero *bony

[@thejinxb0t]

Just to get an idea about the astounding leap in technology we've gone through. In terms of size, this random evolutionary chart you made at 100mb is a little over 195x larger than the entire original Pokemon game.

[@WinterRoseYT]

HA! I love this comparison, that’s so sick

[@crest916]

It’s amazing that the title isn’t clickbait. I also really like the blend of real science while respecting the fictional lore and design of Pokémon.

[@cryingemoji4400]

"HOW DID YOU FIND ME?!" sounds like something a serial killer would say when having their secret base raided by law enforcement

[@Oliver-m2q9m]

TEAM ROCKET

[@cryingemoji4400]

@@Oliver-m2q9m ash every episode after jesse and james rip off their disguises (Comically large glasses)

[@Shaalertft]

Thats oddly specific 🤔🤔🤔

[@NeroTheAngel]

or a child who plays hide and seek. wtf dude

[@cryingemoji4400]

@@NeroTheAngel why are you booing me? I'm right!

[@EliasDrakontaidis-xu6tg]

When a KZbinrs voice isn’t annoying,knows how to keep your attention,talks about stuff you like, and doesn’t have millennial humor they get another subscriber

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@EliasDrakontaidis-xu6tg I fit one of those things at least lol

[@SusyBaca96]

Yeah

[@dylanvolckaert404]

"millennial humor"?

[@sirk603]

This video has a lot of millennial humor. What are you talking about?

[@daanstrik4293]

I was skeptical when reading this comment. But then I got hit with Chapter 1, and I started actually paying attention. *that* aside, please stop with this boomer “my generation is better than your generation” bullshit.

[@MattyBlue]

My phone died just at the mark where you were about to explain humans being pokemon and i lowkey thought you were being deep showing me a black screen reflecting my face 😂 amazing work my dude. Also, shout out to all the cool people mentioned that helped with this project! i’ve always wanted to do something like this by myself in a dark corner of my room but felt it too daunting everytime i tried! can’t wait to see more videos from you (eventually though go at your own pace because that’s what makes videos art and entertainment! ofc!). Cheers! 🥂

[@WinterRoseYT]

Thank you so much! The donation will go straight to charity just like every penny I make in December! I’m really glad you enjoyed my video! I’m currently cooking up a holiday special and a Minecraft video that’ll be completely normal…. :)

[@polarknight5376]

That introduction was so good I forgot this was meant to be an evolutionary chart, and not a lore video.

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@polarknight5376 This will sound so dumb, but I straight up spent days on the intro alone because I kept rewriting and remaking it until I got it right lol I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

​@@WinterRoseYTthere are a few things I'd like to add if you like I think that pokemon aren't metamorphosing when they evolve, they're just growing, like that's how Pokemon grow. Charmander being a baby/child, Charmeleon is a teen and Charizard is the adult form. I'd also like to add that some Pokemon may have... Another more sinister origin, remember the plates? They tell us that Arceus defeated some beings before creating everything, some giants, of which the identity is unclear. But the one thing the plates never tell us is if Arceus permanently stopped them (I'm actually trying to avoid the k word here). I believe that they're still there and that they're influencing the multiverse from outside. Take eternatus for example "the giant pokemon" that's his category in the Pokedex. What if those giants can split just like Arceus can? After all they're his brothers. I believe that eternatus is a small part of one of those giants, and there's strong evidence to support that the original dragon from unova is one as well.

[@WinterRoseYT]

It’s not growth, because we observe pokemon grow old and die without ever evolving! It’s far more likely an epigenetic change since it’s always through necessity in combat or an external factor! I like your theories though!

[@pikablu1]

@@giulianopisciottano8302 that was scrapped from the TeraLeak

[@giulianopisciottano8302]

@@pikablu1 no, the giants are in the lore of the finished games, I did not talk about the teraleak. It's written on the Arceus plates

[@peacemaker0240]

Knowing Rayquaza created latinas was definitely a mental whiplash!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@peacemaker0240 Arceus created Latinas, only a power so great could craft perfection

[@jjildefonso3801]

Aah yes my favorite Pokémons are Latinas 😏

[@peacemaker0240]

@@WinterRoseYT I have no idea why i typed Rayquaza 😂

[@levihalperin7649]

I commend the amount of work you must have put into this

[@PirOT613]

@@WinterRoseYTI was made by arceus????

[@mediocreblake]

I just feel extremely compelled to like show you that this video was amazing and I respect the kind of creator you are. Quality over anything and keeping art accessible to people. This was my first video I have ever seen of yours. And I think you are going to be like my new favorite creator. Will be eagerly waiting for the next :) but definitely don’t let anyone rush you! What you are doing is art and extremely extremely entertaining. So thank you, for just creating this piece of content :) was amazing!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@mediocreblake I’m so honoured! This will go straight toward the holiday special as I’m donating all profit made in December! Thank you so much, I’m really glad you enjoyed! The next video is going to be a wild one haha

[@a3kargo]

26:38 The "You cant prove we dont lay eggs" came out of nowhere and destroyed me lmao. It sounds like something a consiracy theorist would randomly drop in an argument with no explanation as if its completely sane thing to believe. The confidence has me in agreement lol.

[@memelescream4796]

I mean, humans do technically have eggs. The reason animals lay eggs is to provide safety for their unborn young while they go off. A lot more dangerous to go hunting while pregnant. Meaning its entirely feasible that pokemon humans would lay eggs while in a cave then go off so they dont get gut checked by a machamp and lose their baby.

[@mojangstudios9747]

I have to say though, I recall there Being a pregnant npc model in the games (specificaly, BW), and in the Alola anime, one of the profesors Gets pregnant.

[@DrRachi1]

@@mojangstudios9747 not definitive proof against laying eggs pokehumans could have 1 or 2 month long pregnancies after which they lay eggs

[@sytritewarum5720]

​@mojangstudios9747 Yes. Eggs have to grow to full size before they come out, since they can't get any bigger once they are.

[@FrozenPyro06]

@@memelescream4796well female humans do produce eggs, all of the growing just happens inside the woman instead of her laying them. The same for all mammals

[@Ordinary-uf2wn]

"Have you ever seen a ghost in real life? DIDN'T FLIPPING THINK SO!!!" This just made every psychic question their job. This video is rlly good tho

[@vincenttrigg4521]

Either they're real or I have hallucinations every once in a blue moon and I'm not sure what results in things falling or disappearing constantly lol

[@Creaturrous]

They're psychic type humans? Weak to ghost, so they "evolved" to see them!

[@BlueSparxLPs]

Alternatively, psychics are nodding knowingly because they're all scammers lol.

[@adeptmage2293]

Made it to the end. Here are some questions. 1. If pokemon ever came out with triple typed pokemon, what combination would you most like to see? 2. What was your favorite unexpected clarification? Octillary being a fish seemed to bother you, but was there an odd clarification you were actually pleased with? 3. How are you holding up after all of this? Glad you're proud of your work. It's friggin baller. Wish I had the space to download the poster 😂

[@WinterRoseYT]

1.) Ghost/Normal/Steel 2.) Clamperl being an eel egg was something I really liked discovering. I’ve been informed I’m not the first to think of it, but I still think it’s cool. 3.) The cold, vacuous void of space yawns out into infinity before me. Fractals upon fractals, endlessly stretching from the edges of the observable universe, to the smallest of quarks in an atom. Life ends, as all things do. It is not a question of when or how, for it is not a question. Death is a statement; an answer. The end that is written before the book is ever even opened. I, and I alone, can overcome this fate. I, and I alone.

[@adeptmage2293]

@@WinterRoseYT 1. Great choice. I'm basic and would want a fire/water/grass type. 2. That was pretty cool to learn. The evolution into Huntail is so goofy looking, one of my favorite water types. 3. The Void beckons. Do not heed its call.

[@quantumlegend7991]

@@WinterRoseYT The Four Immunity Pokémon!

[@RiedElliott]

W for not putting the chart behind a pay wall

[@WinterRoseYT]

I have never and will never restrict culture, art, or science behind a pay wall. Art should not be hoarded by the wealthy, it should be equal access to all people :D

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

​@@WinterRoseYTI shall remind this when you get big

[@dzanderallison]

​@@WinterRoseYTat last, civilized man. subscribed.

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse Please do! Obviously if I made merch that’s actually functional that would need to be high quality and cost money, but for things like a poster designed by me? That’s art, and that should be able to be accessible to everyone

[@powerofanime1]

AGREED.

[@Agnes_Bramble]

Humans do come from eggs, tho, we just give live birth like you said, but there's still an "egg" involved in the process, I think you're allowed one cop-out after the amazing work you put into this chart and video!

[@poxidog]

There's some shark species that do the whole retain an egg in a cavity until its developed thing. I do think that had to be the precursor to live young tbh, because how can a placenta evolve if its not inside to attach. I reckon it had to be retained softshelled eggs and a mutation in the yolksac development causing a placental body to form. But I've never looked into studies on that, just educated speculation. Back to pokemon though there's no reason that the mammalian pokemon have only made that step on one branch, the human branch. I mean it was the last step for mammals in our world, and we have some mammals that do still lay eggs but produce milk etc. No reason we wouldn't have every species bar a few producing eggs in our world if that evolutionary leap had happened later on in the mammal time line

[@mistrrw1952]

Sorry. Ash Ketchum’s mother laid an egg, and he latter hatched out of it. Unless you have proof of live human birth in the Pokémon universe, it is now canon.

[@dzanderallison]

what we call an "egg" in humans is just one half-cell, though. a chicken's egg, on the other hand, is a lot of cellular and noncellular structure. not the same thing, under the same name.

[@dzanderallison]

​@@mistrrw1952 i have been a Pokemon fan since Blue on the Gameboy was all I wanted for Christmas. and from this long tenure in this fandom, with the expansive, haunting though comforting, candy-creepy, ridiculous world we share, i think I'm among many when i say eh, yeah, makes enough sense to me, that's canon now

[@poxidog]

@dzanderallison a chicken egg is basically the chicken version of a period, but they all do have an egg as with humans on the yolk. You can see it on a fresh egg, a little spot on the yolk. If you've a practiced eye you can actually see if it's fertile or not on cracking the egg, because the blasteoplast causes changes to the yolk surrounding that egg spot

[@poliwhirlking]

I think it's cool how Mew was the first Pokémon to inhabit Earth, since Mew is based on an Embryo and Embryos are the first stage of life.

[@gible2330]

As an actual evolutionary biologist i have to say this is a great video

[@Kai-tu7xw]

Oh my god this video is amazing. This was very much worth the wait, and I love you so much for the effort put into every part of this, from the visuals and editing to your voice work and the script. Of course, that's without even mentioning how cool the chart is. Just amazing.

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@Kai-tu7xw Strsight up almost made me cry, that’s so unbelievably sweet! I feel so appreciated, thank you so much for watching! I’m so glad you enjoyed! :D

[@Kai-tu7xw]

@@WinterRoseYT thank you very much for making it! I'm excited to see anything else you end up creating, too.

[@ginganban]

​@@WinterRoseYT 17:41 what does it say? I'm trying to read it but i can't quite make sense of what i read

[@yakari_68]

may your therapist find a therapist

[@draconis17]

I'd argue that the pokedex shouldn't be treated as absolute truth, since some of them are clearly wrong, and of course they're written by humans that couldn't know these things for sure. Most obvious examples are the gen 8 fossils, which are fossils that were put back together wrong, and have pokedex entries that explain how these pokemon lived in ancient times when they clearly didn't actually exist.

[@groundcontrol0597]

That is an accurate statement, but in order to have any data at all in any field of study, accepting things that might not be true is mandatory. Blatantly incorrect facts are one thing, but if we were to deny every Magcargo or Raichu entry, then we have a very blurry line to draw and a lot of data to just throw out.

[@virivren]

I think that many Pokedex entries are based on in-universe folk stories and that kind of thing

[@WinterRoseYT]

Yes, but have you considered the way I did it was funnier?

[@juapatral]

If you take into account that the pokedex fills once your character, a 10yo child, catches a pokemon, it slightly suggest that the entries are created by a 10yo

[@Jeewanu216]

@@juapatral That not only explains a lot, but also fleshes out lore for the player character, as each generation has different dex entries, each dex entry tells us about the player. Do drifloon really carry children off to the underworld, or is that just the fears of a ten year old seeing a sentient ghost balloon for the first time?

[@TobyTopF]

Ok but genuinely there is clearly so much work going on in this video and so much time spent deciding what to include and not include that would be interesting. As someone that struggles with limiting that scope when summarising, this is an inspiration. I respected this video so much I wasn't going to comment my confusion about Lugia not being mentioned later but figured that my comment would boost the video in the algorithm so here you go, you deserve it!

[@WinterRoseYT]

Lugia was on the chart with the birds! I figured just showing it would be enough, but the confusion on Lugia did help engagement haha Thank you so much, your words are truly so kind

[@SillyLittleAxolotl]

This guy has 4 vids and already has 23k subs - thats how you know he’s quality.

[@taproot0619]

With how good the animation was and how well-spoken you were, (along with a nice voice and good humor) I had no idea you were such a small channel till you pointed it out. I can't believe this video had under 1k views. This deserves to spread like wildfire. You got the stuff dude.

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@taproot0619 thank you!!!! My last video exploded so I’m hoping this one does good too!

[@devilish0307]

@@WinterRoseYT it was way too good not to. I pray for the KZbin algorithm to not let this masterpiece go to waste 🙏 (I'm not religious- Idk why I said that)

[@atreyulandon3852]

​@@WinterRoseYTit will it definitely will

[@TheAlabastarBrothers]

Arguably? Humans are Fighting-Type. In the Pokemon world, we have such a tenacity for fighting that we started an unknown war, monopolized leading other Pokemon into battle, and developed honed martial arts. I think those being "Stronger" is purely because of STAB, rather than being Super-Effective. There's also the Ghost-Type thing. We have seen plenty of Ghost Moves have an impact on Humans in the anime, but I don't think there are many cases of Humans being able to affect Ghost-Types. Fighting-Type Moves can't hit Ghosts, but Ghost-Type Moves can hit Fighters. We are STILL the "Evolution Pokemon" due to how much Type variation appears with oracles, magic users, espers, and other instances of literal superpowers. But there are some semantics that make being a Normal-Type make less sense over time. Great video. Very topical.

[@antisocial0ne]

I mostly like this theory, but with a slight caveat: some characters, such as Sabrina, are stated to have been born psychic. This could be explained easily enough, though. They're simply different "forms" of humans, similar to regional forms, that are psychic type, instead of fighting. People with magic or superpowers could be explained in the same way, or we could say that humans are slightly similar to Eevee, with a slight chance to take on a secondary typing based on environmental factors.

[@edgargaebolg9307]

​@@antisocial0ne People born with powers just have egg moves

[@sanhakim1335]

What if we're just Eevees and espers and stuff are our alternate evolutions?

[@TheAymeric51]

I always like the hipothesis that human in the pokemon world internalised there evolution and are born normal type and when they evolve (puberty ?) they can change type evee style.

[@kimberlyramin]

Being a combat prone species wouldn't make us fighting type, though, plenty of non-fighting types are aggressive, territorial, or simply enjoy battling others. Instead, I do think humans are innately Normal type by default, with an uncommon ability to shift both our own types and the types of pokemon around us, similar to how we enable pokemon to metamorphosize even further than usual. There are more than a few pokedex entries relating how humans feel about a pokemon's abilities to their typings after all, the most obvious example being Absol, a kind and dutiful pokemon with the ability to sense coming disasters. Absol often tries to warn others about the disasters it detects, but due to misunderstandings, the humans thought it caused them, resulting in the Dark typing, even though no Dark abilities or behaviors are shown. Absol most likely used to be Psychic or Fairy type before, and Humanity's ability to shift types resulted in the modern Dark Absol we know today. Similarly, nearly all Humans are born without any particular powers or skills, and our strength, dexterity, ect. pales in comparison to most pokemon. This lack of obvious elemental traits or innate martial prowess marks us as Normal types, but it is possible for Humans to be either born as Psychic types like Sabrina, or for them to adopt other types later in life, such as Maylene and other martial artists becoming Fighting types or the Hex Maniacs and Fairy Girls of the games becoming Ghost and Fairy types, respectively. Humans very likely possess some genetic link to Eevee, or possibly a much closer link to Mew than most other pokemon, due to our unique versatility and ability to change types despite any overt evolutionary occurances, though it is unclear if these shifts could be considered true evolutions or simply form changes that are difficult but not impossible to reverse.

[@jawadelzein1258]

Bro you're hilarious and entertaining. Keep doing what your doing. 24:38 - thank you for classifying them how you wanted, it was the correct choice in my opinion too. Also the crash out at the end 😂😂😂

[@gungle2595]

26:56 And if you receive that evidence, please make sure to forward it to the rest of us scientists so we can peer review it

[@ghetoknight7801]

🔥

[@krunch8500]

honestly this is the perfect channel to pop up for me recently, covering my fav obsessions like subnautica and pokemon, PLUS a small channel that is well made off rip is inspirational for me rn. looking through this tree is gonna be my afternoon

[@WinterRoseYT]

You’re straight up going to make my cry :)))))) I really appreciate that, it’s truly so kind of you! I really hope you enjoyed the video! Edit: AND ENJOY THE CHART!!!!

[@Thearthropodanboy-v1d]

25:52 just casually goes evil scientist mode

[@Thearthropodanboy-v1d]

Also could you solve how the pokemon maintain a self sustaining ecosystem

[@nagirok1]

12:04 welp 3 days later and the amount of subs has been multiplied by 3x enjoy celebrety youtuber status soon bud 🤣

[@Chikinnugg]

4x now

[@austinhunnicutt4933]

6x now

[@FrailAsGlass]

7x now

[@nagirok1]

i love receiving random updates about the progression of his channel through this comment 🤣

[@rafaelbastos8713]

10x bro

[@pallas-and-her-pals]

you know the video's fantastic when it's got 100 views and 51 comments! seriously though, the dedication you put into both these in-depth videos and silly little challenges astounds me. i'm sure you'll build up a sizable community some day!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@pallas-and-her-pals I really hope so too, and I really really apprectiate the kind comments! :) There’s so many things I want to do WITH my community like huge charity streams and events and subathons, and challenges that let the audience get involved and help, sabotage, or compete with me….. but uh, I need an audience to do those lol One day!

[@MandiiMandarynka]

Now it has 360x more views and 20x more comments

[@97alexk]

If ADHD was a person

[@WinterRoseYT]

I am in fact clinically diagnosed ADHD

[@ChefReubon]

I understand but don't understand (pls give examples)

[@dingchat555]

@@WinterRoseYT Your personality/humour in this video remind me so much of someone I know who has ADHD so this makes so much sense lol

[@IncarnateSable]

I'm glad everyone else doesn't have to see how genuinely insane researching this made you sound. I'm sure that won't be relevant to later videos you produce though.

[@WinterRoseYT]

I think at the very end everyone got an idea of what you all had to sit and listen to while I researched. It was just the last 3 minutes of the video on loop for three months

[@Kitty253-qo4vk]

Hey​@@WinterRoseYT did you know that koffing is man made, i think is is said in a pokedex

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@Kitty253-qo4vk It actually doesn't! Implication is not an overt confirmation!

[@henrykrebs6367]

One of the coolest things was seeing that the slowpoke line was amphibians, I always thought they were mammal. Also this is actually one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin, keep going.

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@henrykrebs6367 thank you so much! Yeah, Slowpoke is based on giant Japanese salamanders!

[@KurusuPanda]

Slowbro is legally a hermit crab

[@TheRoyalB33]

I had to subscribe after the bit with the “How did you find me!” I love the content your doing, can’t wait for more. 😂

[@benjaminstone2631]

Absolutely unreal commitment, I hope this one blows up too. Happy to say I’ve been here since video 1. You’re a real one for offering the poster file for free man, keep rolling

[@WinterRoseYT]

Thank you so much, every time I see your support it makes me happy! Hope you and everyone else enjoy the poster

[@SashedPotato]

I've thought about this before but I always interpret the part animal part plant pokemon as symbiotes, where two strands of an evolutionary tree would effectively rejoin. I know it'd be weird, but in real life, with the mitochondrial endosymbiosis theory, two organisms somewhere in evolutionary history became one organism

[@Spikklubba]

and you also have Lichen, which is consist of a close association of fungi and a algae, though they are classified y their fungal component, since they have the more active role, evolutionary speaking, as they are the ones doing the dispersal and sexual reproduction. the algae reproduce too, though all inside the lichen body to replenish itself. the fungus is the one that propagates spores to new places and forms a new body, acquring new algae along the way (though they do vegetative reproduction too and there the original algal component is along for the ride).

[@astrid9920]

Oooo, the lati@s/gnostic aeon connection is so gigabrained, i love it. It makes alot more sense than them being the "very long period of time" pokemon.

[@GGardarik]

I love that you depicted "any living creature that is asleep" as Peter Griffin

[@charginglaserboy92]

25:10 Dr Doofenshmirtz: A platypus? 25:13 Dr Doofenshmirtz: PERRY THE PLATYPUS

[@cg_pizza]

I am so happy I found this comment 😂

[@MemeDeliveryPrime]

Just wanna say i absolutely love your videos man! I respect how dig you deep for simple topics like this and how it always goes down into insanity

[@joeokeefe2771]

this is sooooooo goooooood, I think lugia being slighted by the devs and evolutionarily unequal to ho-oh is so funny to me

[@Phaser64-x5v]

This is single-handily one of the best Pokemon videos I’ve ever seen

[@Mister_Mismagius]

I would’ve watched so much more than just 30 minutes. Crushed this one man. Excited to see what you’ve cooking next!!

[@SpicyInk]

9:09 This was unconfirmed by (if I remember correctly) the person who designed ditto. To be more specific they were asked in an interview if they ever heard of this theory and they said no and that "we designed all pokemon to be different and unique and not have a correlation between eachother, atleast at that time"

[@WinterRoseYT]

I think it was originally a complete coincidence, but over time the Pokemon company started leaning into it and it’s now been retconned as canon as of the Let’s Go games

[@Dark-6678]

​@@WinterRoseYT like eevee being a mascot, originally it was just, some kinda special thing then it became a mascot towards the let's go games

[@AphoticLucent]

@@WinterRoseYT I think Ditto being the first form Mew ever took works a bit better then being a failed clone

[@talfriedman1265]

as someone that really loves phylogeny and pokemon this video was the thing i didn't know i needed and it was great. hope you will continue to make amazing content like this

[@noewiciak]

this video is exactly what I use KZbin for : I find something I wasn't looking for and didn't care for but I now love it ! keep it going man, you're doing a great job !

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@noewiciak that’s kind of the brand of my entire channel lol That and charity stuff

[@Zora_TheSideCharacter]

I was expecting a fun little educational video with a pokemon mask but instead I was blessed with a very funny mental breakdown of pokemon genetics! Amazing XD

[@destreader13._.2]

Also its nice for a episode to end where you aren't captured, imprisoned in another dimension or exploded.

[@WinterRoseYT]

Yeah I’m just kinda tired this time lol The one survivor

[@gageamato5669]

Thank for your time these videos are awesome I love learning new things about Pokemon going back and playing the old gen’s with new knowledge makes the experience even better!

[@alessandrorossi7135]

Now we compare it to bird keeper Tobi's tree of life and debate the differences. Good job class!

[@bryansaiyan7326]

Decided to take a break from my phylogeny exam studying and this is the first video I see😂 good job man

[@lobdoesntexist]

this is by far the best Pokemon related video I have ever seen,the whole vídeo was very entretaining,keep up the great work

[@mels287]

Youre absolutely crazy to have researched all of this wanting to do it for every future pokemon! Big props! (Also youre voice is really nice and your voice acting is superb!)

[@__flo]

27:38 well then, how are you doing? Have you already recovered from the descend into madness?

[@WinterRoseYT]

I’m sick now, but I’ll be streaming in less than an hour for the first time, so that will be fun!

[@VERZUL]

Hi, I make stuff with Pokemon biology like you but in spanish. I need to explain something, there is only one axolote. The axolote (i'm mexican i know what i'm talking about) has Neoteny, retaining larval characteristics even in its adult stage (Mudkip-Swampert), and the Woopers turns into salamanders, losing the caractheristics. The Shiny Wopper and the color of Paldean one, are reference to axolotes, but is only reference. Increible video!

[@WinterRoseYT]

I’m also Mexican haha Good to see many of us on the platform! First off, thank you so much for the super chat, it’s my second one ever and I truly appreciate it so much! It’ll go straight toward my Christmas special! Second, I had considered them salamanders too, but because age and metamorphosis aren’t technically related, based on my standards I labeled them axolotls still! It’s all down to whether you consider final evolution or first evolution as the actual species!

[@VERZUL]

@@WinterRoseYT yes. If you consider a level 100 wopper as 100 years old wopper, is an axolote. If you consider the evolutions like a methamorphosis (like you say in the video) woppers are burguer king burguers. Lmao. Im doing a video of Bulbasaur with biology. I will love if you see it when I upload it. Can i follow you somewhere to DM you? Before you turn popular and famous like Lockstin.

[@WinterRoseYT]

Anyone can reach me on the Twitter linked in the description!

[@lasercraft32]

I genuinely really like the idea that the entire Pokemon world as we know it is a paradox that should not exist, but somehow does. Its just such a cool concept!

[@charginglaserboy92]

9:52 I appreciate the guy also saying something. was very intriguing to listen to his thoughts about the pokemons weird birth towards existing

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@charginglaserboy92 He had something to say!🗣️

[@joyit6062]

Damn great video dude, and great idea I am a massive phylogeny fan, and a massive pokemon fan and never expected these to be put together

[@Smores_AreAwesome]

This video, and the chart, are absolutely amazing, and its hilarious seeing things like Volcanion next to Mothim and Urshifu next to Snorlax

[@WinterRoseYT]

Snorlax is a bear and Volcanion is a bombardier beetle, so it only makes sense!

[@tobie5]

discussing pokemon taxonomy with friends is truely one of lifes great joys

[@aidenkruger1424]

BRO this might be the coolest thing ive seen all month. Keep this going and cant wait to see this continue

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

26:45 I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. *unzips pants*

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

25:20 - You're telling me that Typhlosion's closest relative is freaking Togedemaru of all Pokémon? I would've never guessed that... That and the fact that our closest relatives in the Pokémon world are apparently the Machop line.

[@Lilkasserole]

Your research is so indepth!! Love your editing as well. Thanks so much for making this

[@danielmancaniello2408]

Oh the melmetal joke got me way more than it should! Good work

[@amv_king.1]

the crazy and possibly true ranting at the end is hilarious😂😂😂😂 26:31

[@Inotri]

I just found this video randomly and Im not even a big Pokemon fan. But this video was just so good and entertaining that I just had to watch it till the very end. Love your work and hope you keep posting these great vids.

[@chaos1993]

I knew 32 seconds in this video would be great, and it definitely was! I do have a few questions about your tree, if you wouldn't mind answers: 1) Why is Mawile over in the Homo Hominidae section? I'd consider it to be more closely related to the Sneasel line, especially since it's jaw is made of horns, so similarly sharp metal. 2) Why is Eevee a felidae? I figured more dog-like traits myself, maybe even fox. 3) Why Toxel/Toxtricity in amphibians? Or maybe why Salandit/Salazzle in Squamata? They're both toxic squishy reptile-looking, I'd expect them to be evolutionarily similar. 4) In general, a few of the branches seem to branch off without a classification tag or obvious reason. For example, the felidae branch goes in two directions, without much differentiation down each path. Or with Rodentia, Pawmot separates early on and Pikachu is at the end, making a closer common ancestor to Pikachu than Pawmot. Is this meaningful at all, or just needed to save on space?

[@WinterRoseYT]

1.) Mawhile was a very tough placement. I’d have to reconsider it, but I was accounting more for its purely bipedal shape and prehensile fingered hands making it a primate. 2.) Skull and paw structure indicate feline! And most of its evolutions are far more feline than vulpine or canine! 3.) So toxel is almost exclusively found near water and has many amphibious traits suggesting it’s a newt or salamnder, but salandit is interesting. It could either be a fire belly newt or a very particular lizard in Hawaii that’s mostly male. Because it’s a fire type, it can’t be partially aquatic, meaning it’s not an amphibian, which leaves me with one choice! 4.) They are meaningful! Pawmi is an alpine marmot, which did exactly that! And felidae goes in different directions based on grouped characteristics like being bipedal or having specific skull or paw structures!

[@chaos1993]

@@WinterRoseYT I hadn't even considered bone structure much, makes sense! Thank you for answering. :]

[@tedrpz]

Technically if you go by the traditional definition of a species a group of organisms that can interbreed with each other under natural conditions and produce fertile offspring and since all egg groups are linked in some way all pokemon that can breed except manaphy and ditto are one species

[@WinterRoseYT]

Nah, we just have to consider genetics working a little wonky in the Pokemon universe. Egg groups get changed by Gamefreak all of the time, which means they’re not solid canon

[@collincobb8401]

You’ve single handedly become one of my favorite KZbinrs in the span of 30 minutes. I’ve never been more proud of the KZbin algorithm showing me a guy like you!

[@WinterRoseYT]

I’m honoured! New video in about a week so you have good timing!

[@pinkgill]

THIS IS REDICILOUS!!!! I watched the video to the part where you thank us for the support and from the video quality and how well everything was done I was sure you had AT LEAST a couple hundred thousand subs. I have watched multi-million subscriber channels that dont put half as much effort and love into their videos. I was genuinely outraged and I dont think I have ever seen a youtube that deserves the support more. Ive watched all your other videos and enjoyed all of them to great extend. I really hope you get the attention you deserve and that youll keep making the great stuff

[@WinterRoseYT]

THIS IS SO FUCKING KIND! What the heck, thank you so much! I really really appreciate your kind words, you have no idea how much it means to me! Thank you for the support! I hope you enjoy my future videos! :D

[@Ilikecheese-bx2ds]

I could not phrase it better myself

[@Gilphon]

I notice that you seem to have classified Sandshrew as a shrew, but I'd argue that it's actually a pangolin. Like how Psyduck isn't actually a duck.

[@WinterRoseYT]

I kinda like that! I’ll consider it!

[@Espurrie]

I found this video by chance and absolutely LOVED it! Great video man, it was well worth the effort!

[@epicman590]

this was insanely good, thanks for the lore dump, im about to memorize it like the fnaf lore and make it everybody elses problem now! (jokes aside, AMAZING vid, keep it up!!)

[@moflump]

Hi hi! First and foremost, thank you so much for putting this together. As an ecology enthusiast myself, I always get headaches trying to figure out the actual taxonomy for Pokémon, so seeing this right in front of me actually helps a lot that being said, I got a few questions and comments. 1. The Deino line is mammal!? What’s the reasoning behind that? 2. The Foamantis line being related to the Pawnard line is something I never thought would make so much sense 3. Moltres’ closest living relative being cramorant is arguably the funniest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ll 100% accept that into my headcannon 4. According to your chart, Hisuian Voltorb and regular voltorb aren’t even related (at least that’s what I’m getting) does that mean that this is a case of convergent evolution? Or was it so that one day created the Voltorb line and it coincidentally looked like the hisuian type?

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@moflump thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed! 1.) Fur! It has a furry body, making it a mammal! That being said, it’s also reptilian/aquatic in shape, so it must be a very very early mammal, about as early as the platypus! 2.) That’s actually a mistake on my part and will be fixed soon! I THOUGHT Fomantis was a mantis, but it’s actually a carnivorous plant PRETENDING to be a mantis! So it should be related to carnivine! 3.) One’s a heron and one’s a cormorant! That makes them the closest to each other haha 4.) So that’s actually the fun part, Hisuian Voltorb is related to apricorns, and they predate the first pokeball. Pokeballs were designed after apricorns, which is why they resemble each other. Then, in the future, according to the pokedex a pulse of energy in a factory animated a bunch of pokeballs. So, modern Voltorb is an accidental and unrelated artificial pokemon loosely based on an extinct one from the ancient past!

[@shreychaudhary4477]

@@WinterRoseYT So apricorns are Pokemon? Or were Hisuian Voltorbs apricorn mimics?

[@ungulatemanalpha]

@@WinterRoseYT I'd interpret the 'fur' on the Deino line as pycnofibers. I would suggest they're ornithodirans - possibly pterosaurs that secondarily lost more traditional means of flight outside of the paranormal levitation of its final stage, or dinosaurs that converged on similar structures rather than developing quills or feathers. The way typical Pokemon dragons (although not all of them, as per your comments on type not being a useful metric) relate to archosaurs is definitely one of the big question marks here, in much the same way that 'realistic' dragons in Earth-based fiction are usually related to dinosaurs but with a big "don't think too hard about it" thrown in.

[@Cloudson97]

Dude, you've gone up by 12k in a week and deserve each and every one. You're chill, a brilliant descriptor and legitimately entertaining and engagable. The content quality alone is insane for a channel this size! The target audience is finding you now. Thank you for putting this incredibly obscure mess together. I'll gladly be using this chart, and greatly looking forward to the fan game that uses said chart!! This is such an interesting idea that no one's done. With this level of dedication and creativity, you'll have a loyal fanbase both patient enough to gladly wait for your quality content while also frothing at the mouth whenever you upload. Earned yourself a subscriber from the UK, looking forward to taking this journey with you!! Well on your way to the silver play button, keep it up Persona Professor!

[@boxothefemboy]

criminally underrated youtuber

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@boxothefemboy I’m only just getting started! :D Thank you so much!

[@boxothefemboy]

@@WinterRoseYT you should release a physical version of the poster, i would def buy that for me and my pokemon fanatic friends edit: no dont do that nintedo will murder you

[@WinterRoseYT]

Haha, you can just download it and print it yourself! I left a link to the png in the description! I’d never charge money for it, even if I legally could! I want all of my viewers to have equal access to printing it themselves for free :)

[@TactlessC]

Friendly reminder the Ditto being failed cloning attempts of Mew theory was brought up to the creators of the series and they went "That's not a thing and I've never heard of it" cause you know...they thought of Ditto first and retcons for convenience aren't a thing in Pokemon I guess.

[@Whispernyan]

I don't think it would be a retcon, obviously the creators aren't going to confirm a theory if it's something intentionally left unconfirmed. Pokemon makes references to fan theories with way less going on with them, like cubones calling in Kangaskhan for their SOS in Sun and Moon.

[@jackdahle61110]

i mean they didnt put ditto in legends arceus

[@lasercraft32]

I would argue that they have retconned it by now... In the original Red & Blue Ditto was nowhere present in the Pokemon Mansion. It wasn't until Pokemon Yellow and FireRed Leafgreen when they started appearing there (which of course is still true all the way up to the Let's Go games).

[@GogetaVegeth98]

This has to be the best pokemon lore/evolution video there is. Great job! 💪🔥

[@MichaelBlaine]

This is an amazingly well researched and in-depth video on Pokemon evolutionary history! You may not be the first to have done this, but it's really interesting to see how the same Pokemon are interpreted differently. There's so much that I have yet to look over it all, but I still have a couple of questions. 1. Why are Pineco and Forretress classified as plants when they're classification is "Bagworm" which suggests any resemblance to a pinecone is a case of camouflage, as well as other parts of the video and chart it's mentioned how some seemingly plant like Pokemon can't use Synthesis? 2. How come Kantonian Voltorb/Electrode and Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode are classified not just as entirely different species, but categorizing one as an Artificial Pokemon and the other as a natural species on the tree of life? I understand the interpretation of the Kantonian and Galarian birds as different species, but I would have thought that the appearance of a natural, plant-like Voltorb and Electrode had retconned the spontaneous appearance in Poke Ball factories as an evolutionary adaptation to live in an urban environment.

[@WinterRoseYT]

1.) Good question! I ultimately decided that despite how it’s classified, its movement and the way it doesn’t have a mouth makes it far more likely a case of the pokedex misidentifying it. 2.) Simple! According to the pokedex, Voltorb was created when a pulse of energy animated it in a pokeball factory. Hisuian Voltorb are an extinct species that previously existed before pokeballs. Pokeballs were designed after them, and then those designs got animated, so of course they’d look similar!

[@KhthonicGuardian]

Okay, I'm going to start off by saying this basically made my entire week. My wife stumbled across the video and started watching it, and then I started listening in, and now I've spent several hours looking through the chart you've made and making cross-comparisons with our world's phylogenies. This is a work of art, and you should absolutely be proud of it. It gives me so much to think about, and you can TELL, because I am going to dump a lot of questions and thoughts about cladistics in the rest of my long-ass comment. - I really like the lore imagined for Divisavitae (and in general for how Mew developed into many different forms of life), but I'm not sure about the necessity of Divisavitae. Couldn't it be argued that parasitic or symbiotic relationships with plants, like with Paras and Deerling, developed independently in Animalia multiple times over? It seems to me that most of these creatures, while having plantlike qualities, also show a clear distinction between "plant" and "animal" parts. Some of them even explicitly develop their plant-like traits after the egg. For example, Bulbasaur's pokedex entry states that "A strange seed was planted on its back at birth." Several other pokedex entries make a distinction between animal and plant: for example, Lotad "grows weak if its broad leaf dies" but does not die itself; it only came to live an aquatic lifestyle because its leaves grew too broad. Skiddo is an herbivore (it eats OTHER PLANTS), but uses its leaves to provide additional energy in barren environments between meals. Tropius apparently only grew fruit because it ATE a lot of that fruit, suggesting that maybe it developed a symbiotic relationship with its own food (to spread its seeds???). These creatures would all make sense as not plant-animal hybrids, but rather animals with plants growing on their bodies. The animal is incentivized to move to areas with high sunlight and water in order to minimize the drain that the symbiotic plant places on its own energy reserves, while the plant uses the animal's body as "soil" for nutrients. In exchange, the plant transfers excess energy into the host, as well as baiting prey (through fruit and scent), providing camouflage, and defending the host (through vines, thorns, poisons, etc.). It seems more natural for me that these creatures be integrated into the greater phylogenetic placement (primarily as Animalia) rather than mirroring the phylogeny of all other living things within a smaller sub-category simply because they possess plant-like qualities or are physically integrated with a plant. Also I think Shroomish/Breloom might just be a Pure Fungal Detritivore, no animal parts involved. It spreads by spores, it eats dirt and decaying matter, and as Breloom its arms are stretchy. Mushroom man. - Rather than in Cathartiformes, I would categorize Skarmory as a basal avian/avialan, after Archeops (and possibly Lugia). Avians lost the gene for enamel production a long time ago, and it would basically have to independently re-evolve the ability to make teeth, which is a super complicated thing to randomly do when a beak works JUST FINE. Since none of the other birds got teeth, I think Skarmory is more likely an avialan (like Ichthyornis or Hesperornis). Alternatively, those aren't REAL teeth, but instead ridged tomiae or beak spurs, like we see in based Pelagornis. (Its Pokedex description, saying that it hardens its wings by living in thorn bushes, also reminds me of a shrike/butcherbird, and those have thorned tomiae--but idk.) - Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar. I get why this is in Coleoptera: its larval form is a detritivore, like the coprophagic Scabaras, and it pupates into a Big Guy that appears to possess armor plating, like an exoskeleton or shell. But it looks so vertebrate to me! The claws, the teeth, the long tail... If I had placed it, I would have put it in Theropoda or basal Draconis, especially since it shares its pupating habit with Bagon, another animal in Draconis. What tipped Larvitar over from "vertebrate theropod" to "That's A Bug"? - I see you structured Dinosauria following the Ornithoscelida hypothesis (since Amaurus, and thus Sauropodomorpha/Saurischia, split off before the Ornithischia/Theropoda divide). Bold ;P - I like the placement of Draconis (as you said, it COULD be reconfigured to branch off Squamata, but this is much more fun!). Plus, there's a lot of design overlap between dragons and theropods, especially the bipedal dragons. I'm very fond of Gible/Gabite/Garchomp's placement in Theropoda--since it "once lived in the tropics," I can imagine it might have developed as a semi-aquatic animal that developed membranous wing-fins similar to Yi qi. The only argument I have against Draconis branching from Theropoda is that there is one (1) visible Dragonite skull in Nacrene City Museum, which very clearly lacks an antorbital fenestra and thus appears to be a synapsid rather than a diapsid, and would make it an early split pre-Mammalia, like a Permian Edaphosaur (< I recognize that this is an unhinged thing to say) Also I just want to express (again!) how much I love this whole thing. I can tell that an incredible amount of work must have been put into this, and the result is something really beautiful and fun that gets my brain gears turning. Not only applying science to this fictional world, but reverse-engineering it and trying to uncover how one thing is related to another within that setting...it's really exciting! If only we had more pictures of pokemon skeletons so we could sort them by skeletal developments (this would not help at all because GameFreak are not biologists but I WOULD go crazy with it. GameFreak give me a skeleton of every pokemon. In fact I might just hunt down every visible pokemon skeleton ever revealed to theorize about it.) Thank you (and your friend!) for putting in so much effort and research, I'm going to keep looking at this FOREVER. I would absolutely love a poster of it to be quite honest, it fills my heart with joy.

[@WinterRoseYT]

1.) I’ll reconsider this in the future! 2.) It’s possible that it’s the grass typing that allows it to photosynthesise, but it can indeed photosynthesise. This led me to believe Shroomish is a plant that just looks like a mushroom! 3.) Skarmory was a difficult placement, as it was modeled after a carrion bird. I could see it being an early bird because of the teeth though, consider that also under consideration! 4.) Pupation. Literally being named “Larva-tar” and turning into “Pupa-tar”, it made it very clear to me it’s an insect life cycle. The claws and teeth can be explained away by multiple other beetles possessing those, like Pinsir! 5.) I knew I’d be taking big swings regardless of how I did dinosaurs lol 6.) Actually, it’s possible Dragonite would be placed differently, and it’s a case of convergent evolution! If you want a poster of it I hope you download and print it yourself! It’d be much cheaper to do than me selling you one haha

[@KhthonicGuardian]

@@WinterRoseYT It's super cool to hear your thoughts, thank you!

[@redandsoulles132]

I could write a comment almost as long as this video but i make it short. This is amazing in every way possible. You really deserve the fast growth. Everything was on point, there was no room for boredom for even one second. Great work keep it up.

[@thenerdyonekingofnerds873]

I'm glad that there's still gonna be a Pokémon Evolutionary Tree on KZbin now that Bird Keeper Toby stopped doing his, this is great!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@thenerdyonekingofnerds873 I saw his videos while researching for mine a couple months ago! I’m going from a more technical scientific basis than his, but I really liked the entertainment value of his!

[@DapperDragon7]

What an amazing find of an underated youtuber! ❤

[@earldaturtle]

Holy crap this video was amazing, the quality exceeding many other KZbinrs with 1 mil+ subscribers is insane! Unlike most on the platform you're genuinely entertaining and funny, and I'm excited to see your upcoming videos. Also, the celebi/great egg paradox is really interesting.

[@tanaka173]

It has been 10 days. There are now 19k of us. I suspect that number will climb steadily. This is a good video, got that Imagnary Axis vibe of a ridiculous amount of actual research in an entertaining fashion.

[@Egeslean]

When he called out how many subs he had, I saw that he had 19k and figured this was an older video..until I scrolled down and saw the date. I was honestly surprised at the jump in such a short time.

[@theirishviking9278]

11:50 13 days latter and now there's an extra 17 thousand

[@solardashpraxus]

this is perhaps the best pokemon video i've ever seen. evolutionary biology, jokes i find funny, a cool editing style... i am absolutely subscribing!

[@fazul5674]

If I had a penny for every think going through an insanity arc I saw this month I’d have two pennies.

[@WinterRoseYT]

which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice

[@jjohnson2445]

​@@WinterRoseYT was that a phineas and ferb qoute 😅

[@Moon_Light7474]

I'm glad to be here before you go big!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@Moon_Light7474 I consider 3000 people pretty big already! That’s like a full small concert!

[@Moon_Light7474]

@@WinterRoseYT This is just the base of the mountain! Keep on climbing!

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@Moon_Light7474 Well, thank you very much haha I’ll keep climbing!

[@JamesLewis-qp5jn]

This is such a high quality video! Clear how much research you undertook, and the chart is so good!

[@speedycupid798]

15:45 so based

[@Colchicum-autumnale]

Damn that chart is true dedication to the craft. I really hope this Video is blessed by the algorithm

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@Colchicum-autumnale I hope so too haha And thank you! I put my everything into everything I make, so I’m glad you like the chart!

[@ampisbadatthis]

I am also a phylogenetic and comparative biology enthusiast, this is one of my new favourite videos, thank you for all your hard work

[@Athithan_2000]

27:04 His character reminds me of Jax from The Digital Circus!

[@cecilrhodes2153]

26:51 Forward it to me, please, thanks!

[@R_E_A_D_E_R]

"Where did you people find me" ... welp this video so.... thanks for being a new youtuber to watch..... why is this better than 90% of over a mil subscription channels entire catalog... welp can't wait for the next one and I hope ya have a steady growth ya deserve it

[@kennethcollette8949]

We spent way to long on hydreigon for you to not bring it up in the video >:(

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@kennethcollette8949 I’ll be real, completely forgot. Hopefully somebody asks, I also forgot to include the unidentified section

[@PyrotheFlareon]

@@WinterRoseYT Hey, what's up with Hydreigon and the unidentified section?

[@MarkTheGun]

@@PyrotheFlareonI too am curious about hydreigon

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@PyrotheFlareon So hydreigon seems like a dinosaur with its shape, but it actually has fur! The presence of fur makes something a mammalalian, so we ended up putting it in the mammal section as a very early evolution of the more early evolving tetrapods. Plus, it has one brain, then metamorphosises to have two brains, and then again back fo one brain, so that was annoying to figure out lol As for the unidentified section, that was any pokemon that had such specific details in its pokedex entry that it couldn’t yet be classified until further games elaborate like Duraludon, or like Mimikyu which we just don’t have enough information on what it even looks like to get a classification

[@WinterRoseYT]

@@MarkTheGun refer to my reply above this friend!

[@blakdeth]

You have koffing as an evolved species? I'd've figured it was a result of pollution coming to life like trubbish or grimer

[@WinterRoseYT]

No indication of that in the pokedex at least! It feels more like one of the fungi that have learned to feed off of pollutants

[@jf7799]

Bo you got high quality avatars, editing, research, interesting topics, good voice, jokes, this stuff is so engaging idk how you don’t have hundreds of thousands of subscribers bro you deserve it, keep it up man