I Think I'm Getting Fired Tomorrow, How Do I Prepare For This?

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[@pattyajones]

The feeling of impending termination is one of the worst feelings.

[@rayhawk8109]

Just went through this. The worst part is they were very unclear as to the exact reason as to why i was let go

[@rayhawk8109]

I was working at macys and was brought in by loss prevention, I was so confused, they have this like backwards way of like explaining what you did wrong acting and assuming you just know what happened or what you did and then questioning you and making you out to be the bad guy. I made my quota every month, had tons of postive reviews, mostly made my sales goals. Oh no one tiny stupid rule and your done

[@Bushidough]

For me it’s one of the best feelings

[@Lost-mb1gj]

I’m going through this right now, they cancelled my shifts for the rest of the weekend and I’m due on Monday “for a conversation”. I know what’s coming…

[@BillClinton228]

Especially when no one wants to talk to you or gives you any indication about why you're being fired.

[@jjayguy23]

They’re probably trying to avoid giving him $20k.

[@l.s8904]

Yes Great point!

[@annstillwell730]

Bingo

[@mycupoverflows7811]

That was my first thought!

[@lucasjackson3300]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what's going on.

[@cz4761]

Yes, they are! They don't won't to give you the 20K.

[@therealdontclickme]

Something my dad told me, If you are promised something, get it in writing.

[@QuietRiot69]

Companies are not your friends. We are all just numbers and figures to them and not people. Be selfish and don't kill yourself for a company that has no problem getting rid of you.

[@stephenshelton4267]

Likewise, people should not idolize a company. I see people frequently with product logos tattooed on their bodies!

[@Chesu360]

That's why they call you a resource. That's why your a commodity has a price you can negotiate. If not then let's all be friends. Not!

[@alezandradavila2581]

Exactly lol

[@tcarp1616]

The reason why unions will start to pick up again

[@jimroscovius]

​@@tcarp1616 Union thugs are thieves and crooks.

[@bagheerab278]

My biggest pet peeve of some employers. Lousy communication of expectations, then telling you how disappointed they are that you didn't meet them.

[@teekaybe4016]

exactly!! unless you can quantify the work ie. # of sales per month, % improved capacity of a machine.. ect...its very difficult to push back when management claims your work performance is not good. What I have learned is that the more you are seen the better others preserve you.And regardless of what metrics show management will likely give you a better review. I learned this the hard way.

[@kennethb6211]

I had a major company ask me repeatedly if I know what we do here I said no please give me a clear concise explanation they couldn't i was relised the next day. Lol

[@superblump87]

@@kennethb6211 you dropped the ball on that answer.

[@John3.36]

Probably intentional. This is an indirect way of laying off.

[@jimcole6423]

Many employers are like this.

[@302ec]

I was laid off once and it was truly a blessing. Turns out I was underpaid.

[@philipgerry5228]

This is why Dave wants you to have 3-6 months of expenses in a safe place.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

I prefer 20 years.

[@dancalmpeaceful3903]

EXACTLY...!

[@philipgerry5228]

@@blackworldtraveler3711 That’s even better!!

[@hkmamacmd428]

Well, duh. Thats always nice when you can do this but not always possible for those who cant

[@justdl]

Got played by the company. They needed someone to keep things running while they outsource their stuff. They dangled the 20K in front of him to keep him there. There was no way he could have ‘improved’ to their expectations.

[@awsomo53]

This is exactly what happened

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

How convenient the company wants him to stay so they offer him money then fire him so they don’t have to give it to him . Trash bosses

[@reese85]

His work isn’t good

[@John3.36]

@@reese85 could be. Or it could be that it is an indirect way of firing him.

[@reese85]

@@John3.36 the caller even said his work wasn’t good!

[@John3.36]

@@reese85 I mean if he was put into a position with no preparation in which he was expected to get results, then failed at it; he was being honest.

[@underfiremaf8307]

Dangled a $20k carrot in front of his nose to get him to stay long enough to make it work on their end. The money was never coming, they just couldn't dissolve it all at once.

[@RyanABC123]

There’s a 100% chance they won’t give him the 20k

[@williamforsythe9180]

You sound pretty confident there bud

[@RyanABC123]

@@williamforsythe9180 I am pal.

[@williamforsythe9180]

@@RyanABC123 the Bible says to be humble chief. Do you know more than Jesus?

[@RyanABC123]

@@williamforsythe9180 of course you’re a Bible guy.

[@williamforsythe9180]

@@RyanABC123 are you autistic, son?

[@esonon5210]

He better start applying. Don't count on that bonus.

[@KC-dr3cg]

This is why he has an emergency fund

[@jimgbe7185]

Never rely on just one company. Always have choices ready once you hear anything about a lay offs. Update that resume and get back to business

[@RandomVids519]

People get to used to routine human’s are very predictable

[@realman1349]

Same when it comes to women 😂

[@PositiveMommaLife]

Yes! My son has three jobs. KZbin, solar sales and amazon

[@Jim_Curtis]

Instead of calling the Ramsey show, call an employment law attorney. It looks the employer is firing the caller to avoid paying the bonus out.

[@stevenporter863]

Contingent fee only. Otherwise the attorney would cost more than he could recover.

[@rickieguta1037]

T! z

[@candy2325]

Unless he has something in writing or an official document that states the promised bonus then it seems like a waste of time and money to get an attorney.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

@@candy2325 Indeed. Seems many here can't understand that.

[@pattyajones]

Texas is an "Employment at Will State", meaning either party can vacate employment at any time for any reason except protected classes.

[@ashleyb1091]

If a bonus was promised I would want it something in writing or contract

[@camxdidxthat]

How do you ask for that without being offensive.

[@justme87999]

@@camxdidxthat be offensive if you have to be. Asking directly and politely for something should not be offensive to a good company.

[@CatfishBradley]

Don't play that game at all. ALWAYS insist on FAIR business. You should be able to get anything in writing, and if they take offense to that, RUN. @@camxdidxthat

[@dougmiller1460]

Dave is out of touch, thinking a large corporation will negotiate. They have a prepared script and process, no negotiation outside external legal action. If they promised the 20k and you can prove it was offered and the conditions were satisfied, then the money is owed.

[@sneakyquick]

I worked for a fortune 500 company and they hired me for a job and then tried to fire me for a mistake I made that was not part of what I was hired to do. When I met with HR I told them I had never been trained to do what I was asked to do and I was doing my best to help our project get completed. They did not fire me and I got the training I needed and ended up working there eight more years. Its important to stand up for yourself when other peoples mistakes try to come back on you.

[@PurplePinkRed]

This is a rarity but yes! Definitely say something if you think you'll be out the door if you don't otherwise!

[@antionneanderson9721]

Boss is trying to get out of giving him the bonus

[@stevenporter863]

If it is a large company and they benefited from having him, they will pay to get more of the same. Sounds like he was not as advertised.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

Seems he just stayed but didn't earn it. If he was good enough to keep he would have gotten that bonus.

[@TheChocoboWhisperer]

Don't admit to, or apologise for, any shortcomings in your work performance. Don't feel obligated to thank someone who's firing you. If they refuse the $20k, go speak to an employment attorney to see if you have any legal recourse. Promises made can end up legally binding.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

Nothing written down. Nothing can be done.

[@Outrageousconduct]

Roflamo if he's not doing the work he deserves to be fired

[@reese85]

Yeah you can’t prove a verbal convo cuz they could say they promised the 20k if it worked out! But he’s getting fired for a bad work performance

[@williamlocascio8946]

@@jimmymcgill6778 Better Call Saul!

[@Rizky06]

With the exception of Montana the U.S. is "Fire At Will" even if they don't like your shoes. You can thank the Corporatocracy which runs America. No Bonus 💸 Only a 🦴

[@HarmonyHollowApiary]

Would love to see a follow-up on this call to see how the caller's week turned out.

[@Vots]

They were going to lay him off anyways, and wanted to wait. He said he was going to quit (so he saw the writing on the wall). And they dangled the $20k in front of him and got him to stay, that money clouded his judgement. The performance reviews are them creating the paperwork they need to fire him. Slimy tactics by the employer

[@BL-el8zy]

Don't mix a $20K bonus w/"severance" or you're heading down the road to ineligible for unemployment payments. This whole thing sounds screwy - if he was going to stay for $20K, he should've gotten when he agreed to stay.

[@donnasalerno9870]

@Eddie DimasYes, this is the typical way it's done. I felt bad for this caller.

[@jimcole6423]

Precisely correct.

[@jameshumphrey3425]

It was done to keep him there while they were reorganizing the company, otherwise he would’ve been looking for a new job as soon as he saw his coworkers getting laid off.

[@roxcyn]

That's what I'm thinking, too. They promised it to him in October and all of a sudden it's now in December. 🤔

[@missladygray]

Retention bonuses are typically not paid out until the completion of the retention. He would have had to agree to it in writing. If he didn't, he won't see a dime.

[@plants4thewin]

Hes not getting that 20K. He knew they were going to can him. He should have been looking for something else and left before they could let him go. These corporations are terrible. I dont trust any of them.

[@deepthinker999]

Well Said

[@albertotorres_1]

He should call back and follow up to see what transpired

[@jtelk4708]

Here is what you really should do: have your doctor write a note you have some disability (literally anything qualifies, depression, anxiety etc). Tell your employer you have the disability. Then when they try to fire you, you can spin it legally to say you fired me because of a disability

[@chickenfixn4439]

Sounds like the company planned on going back to outsourcing but they couldnt contractually do it immediately so they fired everyone and kept one guy in the department to do all of the work with a 20k carrot over his head. After they got what they wanted for the timeframe they needed they canned him and said it was a performance issue so they didnt have to uphold their end of the deal contractually

[@candy2325]

So messed up

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

That $20k wasn't in writing. The guy was his own worse enemy.

[@chickenfixn4439]

@@blackworldtraveler3711 I missed that. You cant trust anything if its not in writing

[@workenhard]

Agreed. no way was he ever going to get the 20k they just played this poor dude like a fiddle.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

@@workenhard Nothing in writing. The dude played himself ignoring keywords like “layoff”, “promise”, and especially “outsourcing”. He also ignored economic current events in the U.S.. At lease he was still getting a salary.

[@Chromewarrior]

Has your progress or lack of been documented? Have you signed any paperwork regarding this? First thing at your meeting take the initiative, ask about the bonus and when can you expect it.

[@chinwenduejezie8699]

They gave him the job as a placeholder because they always wanted to fire him don’t believe the lies…

[@kiki90887]

Honestly, even when you work your hardest, struggle to make ends meet and try your absolute best, bad employers will always find ways to beat you down. Always best to leave an environment like that, and if you don't get the 20k then at least you get a fresh start to find a better employer who values you and recognises your strengths

[@angelmyers869]

Sounds like they used him to transition but are using performance reviews as a way to keep from paying him. That's why they didn't pay him in October as they originally said.

[@yulnikita]

That does not sound like a persuasive negotiation

[@KENTUCKYUSA1]

Beans and rice, rice and beans.... Sounds like his dog was on the phone line too and getting frustrated. That dog had some info we didn't get to hear.

[@genxx2724]

They should have paid the $20K in October as promised, and offered more for him to stay until December.

[@reese85]

Idk about giving him more, if he wasn’t good at his job

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

The money was never actually on the table. It was just a carrot the company used to convince their staff to train their replacements. Lucy and the football

[@angelmyers869]

Exactly.

[@missladygray]

If it wasn't in writing then il as far as the company is concerned, they never promised it.

[@CatfishBradley]

Stupid argument considering they hand picked him to stay aboard and keep things afloat until they were ready to move to a different company for his role (job=outsourced). If he sucked, why would they offer it to him? 90% likelihood is they never intended on giving him the bonus, it was just a carrot/stick to clean up loose ends before they hire the new company. Regardless of how you feel about HIS work, THEY held 10000% of the authority, and SHOULD bear the responsibility of making a poor choice, and promising you things they didn't want to pay out.@@reese85

[@joesph9748]

You never say thank you or admit to short comings when put on a performance improvement plan. Companies don’t care about employees, they care about profit.

[@neilthiessen5926]

Awesome call! Just what I needed to hear right now... Thank you.

[@Above3Beyond123]

It sucks when you have a good job and they take it away from you it takes a toll on you thinking nonthing is secure it took me months after a job I had got took from me and others they just laid people off like crazy and I really loved my job and patients just hits you emotionally luckily I had months of emergency money to do what I had to do and now I have a job I love again !

[@superblump87]

What do you do?

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

Been there done that and also had an emergency fund with savings/investments. Don't see how someone his age can think that way. I learned for working at places like McDonald's in high school that employers are not your friend. Just the beginning though. Many will be getting their turn for the first time in the next 18 months.

[@eriklizar807]

We need a follow up to find out what happened!

[@michaelp9707]

Fantastic Analysis and advice.Daves experience and wisdom is really shining through on this one.For those of us who have been in similar situations giving our everything and being told to run faster without having the right training,tools or leadership we can definitely relate, except having 20k to look forward too 😭💰😏

[@thenewwayhome]

The caller needs to consult an attorney regarding his dilemma. You deserve to get the money that you've worked for.

[@mrquick6775]

He made a good point! The squeaky wheel gets the grease/attention! So, just know that you need to ask and don’t wait for them to bring it up, because they probably won’t! Just ask with confidence!! Good Luck’

[@nickbrian9882]

This video popped up in my recommendations because I’m going through the exact situation (besides the 20K haha), and relate to him so much - never felt heard more!!!!!!! Love Dave!

[@claybob]

Dave: the company is allowed to lie to you and you should thank them for that.

[@tortureddummies1672]

This is why I’m going to start my own e-commerce business. I was laid off once and I was never absent and I was on the job everyday working as hard as I can. Boy that was scary and a wake-up call. 😂

[@jadore1339]

I’m doing the same too. Working on my e-commerce project while I hang on to my 12 hour job.

[@ilexevergreen5405]

What kind of e-commerce?

[@jadore1339]

@@ilexevergreen5405 multivendor

[@christopherallen9580]

join the masses

[@bluecollarnobody4217]

You go in there with your head held high you shake the persons hand and say thank you for the opportunity I’m sorry it didn’t work out have a nice life I wish you success

[@wartrain12]

Props to Dave

[@Useruytrw]

8:35 love it when Dave sticks it to them

[@billrichard9513]

Great advice Dave

[@vincentzincone8012]

When management wants to get rid of you no matter what you do will save your job. In this case the guy stayed to fill a role that just didn't work. He should have got the money upfront!

[@bigisrick]

This is why you always have to get these things in writing. The company is screwing him

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

Know what you need and want before you go in. Let them know you will hold them accountable. Get it in writing right then.

[@mateosworld8280]

I made a mistake at work. In what I call my first “big boy job”. I missed something due not being detailed enough in one area. Which caused hassle for everyone. And despite doing well in every other area. They were not happy and haven't forgotten. It's my first time in 12 years of working that I've felt disappointed in myself to this extent. So now I'm preparing myself. Mistakes happen though.

[@myownboss1]

Ask if you can resign instead, because fired, no matter what, just doesn’t look good….

[@chopshec83]

I'd be careful with that one depending on the state you could also lose out on unemployment benefits if you just resign instead of being fired.

[@anthonypaulmannion7354]

Great suggestions on this call!

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

Sounds like there is something is fishy here…employers trying a fast one?

[@evanreiter747]

Take care of Yourself! You are only a number! Focus on your dream instead of theirs

[@Zionists_are_Gods_gift_2_us]

4:15 Sounds like he was frustrated with Dave's answer, lol.

[@XPkoolXD]

I bet they were lying about that 20k just to keep you working until they lay off everyone as soon as they can. I would have wanted that 20k TO stay on. Not if I stay on and they can fire me for any reason and not pay what they promised. Very sketchy and dishonest employer. Wouldn't trust them one bit.

[@jwlsngold5026]

If he "thinks" he's getting fired why not beat them to the punch! Walk in to bosses office and just say I feel like this will be the day you plan to fire me. Instead I'm quiting as of right now, gives you the upper hand albeit not having a job doesn't make for warm and fuzzy feelings. It is not something you are able to change in an instant just collect your belongings and walk out.

[@genxx2724]

If you quit, you can’t receive unemployment insurance.

[@missladygray]

Don't quit a job without another job secured first. Otherwise let them fire you so that you can at least draw unemployment.

[@dave7701]

I can taste it from employers , it's so obvious that they are in the process of firing you. They just need a reason technically. They can't just say you're fired without a reason. This is why if you feel like you're about to get fired always monitor your manager by the way he communicates to you , record it , eye contact and what's legal and not illegal for employers to do. Did that 4 years ago SUE the crap out of the employer and made their reputation flushed down the toilet

[@BryanMPhx]

Call in sick immediately

[@reese85]

Ok, I’ll fire you the next day

[@lagarde2011]

Yes. And call an employment lawyer to review the work contract and provide guidance on how to manage interactions with the company.

[@rollingacresfarmstead206]

It could be worse, I was told today the insurance rates went up 400 bucks a month and deductables doubled, with the hsa plan I expect to pay close to 23k a year

[@PhilPhil240]

I would've gotten that bonus in writing some way, shape or form. If he brings this to court, that's the first thing the judge will ask. I know you aren't entitled to a severance, but he definitely should get something for staying throughout

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

I guess you can always ask. What happens next is up to the employer.

[@matthart4465]

They were never going to give him the $20k. They needed him to finish the project before they fired him with the rest of the department.

[@joshmonus]

Obviously, they are firing him to not pay the 20k. Companies have no interest in spending a single extra dime for a lost contract or outsourced department. Whenever a company makes these kinds of offers, make sure to get it in writing with the details explicitly defined prior to agreeing.

[@heidithaw1072]

I was asked to pay back a signing bonus because I was not there the required time. They fired me and I would have stayed. I did not pay it back.

[@sbrazenor2]

If the option was being laid off or getting some weird promotion, I think I would have just taken the lay-off. They are already having some serious problems apparently and if they're this inconsistent, I think it's time to leave.

[@veeno3983]

Dave is so great with words

[@carojames6776]

And numbers.

[@scarpfish]

This is why you get it in writing folks.

[@herbiehusker1889]

Start looking for a new job.

[@BattleFights]

He has a youtube channel buddy

[@Sunmoonstars976]

@@BattleFights does he? Link please?

[@lisamccall4960]

"At the minimum I would be willing to accept a prorated amount of the $20k less the X weeks to the Dec 31st date."

[@pluggedev8464]

I wish we could an update on this

[@nephetula]

Sage words: NEVER count on a bonus!

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

You can count on them when in writing.

[@kayetroniczentertaimentmus7048]

I’m hoping somebody sees this before Monday : I’ve been at a transportation job for 7 months with in that time I’ve gotten two recommendations from passengers. Everytime this happens it gets worse for me . 1. The dispatch talks to me mean and in an intimidating way . 2. In person he acts like he’s innocent 3. Union rep pull me to the side and told me …they don’t know how to receive me bcus of my up bringing …I don’t act like I’m in the streets it’s been 20 years ago … 4. Now I’m having back to back meetings where the manager is lying …yesterday I asked a question in a meeting and he lied to me in my face . 5. I was told if I can take how the dispatcher is acting towards me …until he retires …I’ll be ok …but I trying but I can’t 6. At this point I don’t know rather to quit or put in a two week notice 7. I feel like the manager and dispatch is trying to get me to resign or they gonna find some way to get me in trouble with the law by lying….idk …this just my situation…

[@goalie2998]

Management isn't about punishing people. They should be working with their people to build them up.

[@deepthinker999]

It would be great if we all lived on that planet.

[@chipkipperly3904]

They basically just dangled the 20k in front of him just to take advantage of him and then fired him before the bonus was rewarded

[@JasonGroom]

They knew the moment they offered that 20k that they had no intention to ever pay it out

[@mycupoverflows7811]

If he has that promise in writing, he needs to use it.

[@genxx2724]

There are probably e-mails at least.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

If you don't have a contract. They don't owe you anything.

[@sglacf]

Verbal is a just as good of an agreement

[@reese85]

@@sglacf how can you prove that?

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

@@sglacf You need proof of what was agreed to, otherwise it just becomes a case of "he said, she said".

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

Yup where I worked bonuses,profit sharing,awards,gifts,etc. were all agreed upon in contract every seven or so years.. Set mine up to be auto deposited in 401k each year.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

@@sglacf How? The business can always say that they didn't say that.

[@NWforager]

"promise" on paper . not verbally .

[@privateprivate4315]

Lol “sure you can give it to me upfront”

[@Lon1001]

Unless there is a contractual or legal obligation to pay him a severance, or a portion of the completion bonus, if they are terminating his with cause he gets zilch. It's not a negotiation like Dave says unless they want to continue an employment relationship with him.

[@stevebrannon5772]

It sounds like they put him in a position to fail knowing they were going to eliminate his job. His first recourse when he was initially told his performance was unacceptable would be to ask for coaching help or training to meet their expectations. If they don’t want help, the writing is on the wall, you’re toast. Don’t burn your bridges, by trash mouthing the company. Try to get a letter of recommendation to put in your resume. The company won’t give a bad recommendation since that may come back to haunt them. Take notes of all conversations, if it becomes a legal matter, those with the best backup will normally prevail.

[@genxx2724]

Learn about quiet quitting and constantly being ready to change jobs by watching Joshua Fluke. And you have no control over the time it takes for the outsourcing company to be ready. Learn from this. Never train your replacement. Don’t be a rat on a sinking ship.

[@elmobolan4274]

If u have a target on ur head, no amount of talking to others or asking for help is going to change the outcome. This is corporate culture....

[@c-coinage978]

Get it in writing or tape it on your phone, could help.

[@GAMEONBABE]

P’ss Poor. That’s the Dave I love!

[@MrGrapesforall]

The 20k is going into managements pockets 120%

[@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402]

He should see the numbers before him and with him...

[@fordfiveohh]

She has an amazing RICH radio voice.

[@AGirlNamedVan]

Im so glad we have crazy labour laws here in South Africa

[@deepthinker999]

In Switzerland it is (2) years pay.

[@flournoymason8961]

I knew I was going to get fired so I rehearsed the event. Sitting at the table with my manager the head of HR and the overall manager of the entire building I decided to not argue. It was no surprise when I was told I just wasn't working out so off my neck came the keys and I had one key on my keyring which I also removed and put on the table. I took the company credit card out of my billfold and put it alongside my ID. No argument goodbye. No more me. There was a long unpleasant silence and I said "well there's nothing to do but leave". There was a problem with that. They wanted me escorted out of the building. I was walking out the door when the HR lady asked me not to go yet? I was perplexed. I was leaving the building because I had been fired so why stick around. I stood outside and here my escort finally came. It was an unpleasant walk to my car and I feel that if I was going to be escorted out the building the escort should have been at the table with the rest of them.

[@lanbrick5826]

Wish we knew the outcome!

[@ridgydidge925]

Was that a pooch at 4.17 😂

[@videostoviews2262]

I thought I had one in my room 😂

[@lisapineapple]

😂😂😂

[@lovethemflowers]

Dave’s reaction to what sounded like a dog whimpering or howling.

[@Bob-yh7ir]

Always have other options in your back pocket. I get job offers every month. I have turned them all down because I am going to retire early so no need for changing jobs right now. But over the years, it's great to know I had many options for maintaining income if I needed to. Good luck to this gentleman.

[@genxx2724]

What kind of work do you do?

[@Bob-yh7ir]

@@genxx2724 IT

[@genxx2724]

@@Bob-yh7ir People in IT seem to have a lot of options. On the other hand, it’s a function that can be outsourced to India.

[@deepthinker999]

@@genxx2724 Not anymore. IT currently leads in corporate layoffs.

[@thequickerflipperpickerupp6281]

Logical reasoning says you're not entitled to the money, because they feel you didn't perform well enough. You should forget it and move on by now.

[@stevenwalker4923]

You aren't entitled to the 'bonus' unless you were there during the bonus term. Usually a minimum of 90 days. Sounds to me like they were making any excuse to get rid of this man to not pay him the bonus.

[@shauny9149]

Pity we didn't get a follow up to hear what exactly happened

[@chrisnanopoulos9905]

Start hitting the payment. What else do you do? I think I know why you were terminated.

[@fluffhead917]

Should've got the deal in writing..

[@maded1988]

I'd ask to meet them and ask for the 20k as you're not being provided the support to meet your deadline.