I Think The Norris VS Piastri Qualifying Head-To-Head Is Misleading

So far this season, Lando Norris has outqualified Oscar Piastri 13 times, to 4. That sounds like a demoltion job - right? Well, I think there's more to it than that, let's talk about it.
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[@BMPHF1]

Piastri rate of improvement this season has been faster than Red Bull’s fall off

[@TheHidalgo99]

One shouldn't overlook the fact that Perez's RB fought for victory in Baku. Now, it's a well known fact that Verstappen sucks at Baku. Ain't not sugar coating that. This raises the question, is the Red Bull actually sort of good again with the no. 2 driver being involved in the battle for p1 and the no. 1 having a stinker but at a track where he is historically bad? We shall see.

[@primuspilusfellatus6501]

Ayyyy its bmphf1 love ya vids man

[@TommoOnYoutube]

Oof

[@f1john18]

What a comment 😂

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

​@TheHidalgo99 not really a good argument. He should have won in 2021 but had a puncture. Won in 2022 against Checo with 20 sec gap. Lost 2023 after leading and a unlucky SC because overtaking was literally impossible by 2 sec. And now it's really the first time Checo beat him by such a margin but then again they change so much every race on the car to try out thing and obviously just messed up because the car was not setup right.

[@aumpauskar4653]

Oscar Piastri is just Kimi V2. He comes in, wins while still being a baby, f**ks with the great talents of Juan Pablo Montoya and DC wins a championship, refuses to elaborate, leaves.

[@AgentUltimate7]

This was the most stressful race of my life - Says Piastri to Gunther without expressing any relevant emotion.

[@askeladden450]

Kimi was extremely fast on raw pace, oscar isnt even halfway there in terms of pace. He is very smart, opportunistic and brave, but he is nowhere near the raw pace of charles and max, let alone someone like prime kimi. Both his wins came due to his excellent overtaking ability. But in both, he was unable to pull away from the driver behind.

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@askeladden450 You don’t need to finish ten seconds ahead, you only need to finish ahead.

[@askeladden450]

@@TheFinalMeowntdown missed the point mate. Lack of pace caused him to be p4 in zandvoort instead of p1. Or p5 instead of p2 in canada, or p7 in spain instead of p2.

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@askeladden450 Getting stuck behind Leclerc more like. There’s no shame in losing to a good driver. Not like he parked in his dirty air, said “ah, bollocks to it” and checked out. There’s a case to be made that Lando’s start is what allowed Leclerc through. Watch the replay, Oscar has to stop behind Lando on the grid, hurting his race more than Lando’s. Not entirely of course. TBH, there’s no shame in being “slow” if it means P4. Look at the race results, finishing positions in the last seven races: 1,2,4,2,1,4,2 (and 2 in the Austria sprint). The folks who actually know what they’re talking about have mostly stopped talking about lack of race pace, tyre management , yaddayadda, because like the “Lando won Piastri the Azerbaijan GP by driving slowly round the castle because *he’s* a team player!“ line it just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny any more against those numbers. If Oscar was as shit as a little minority that only seems to exist in KZbin comments thinks/knows they probably would have replaced him with Bortoleto by now. And he probably wouldn’t be the only guy to have 7 top 4 finishes in a row, be the only guy to complete every lap despite being so reckless and dangerous and bad-mannered… and still be in mathematical contention for the championship (and much more than mathematical contention of being the best McLaren), while adapting to a weird but quick car. That’s partly why he needs to be ruthless and establish as soon as possible “I’M the future of this team and I need a car that does THIS”. My biggest concern that I barely hear anyone talking about (since they only want him to fail, I guess) is his radio game. He’s not the talkative type, obviously, 🙄, but unless he’s receiving a lot of info through the steering wheel I feel like there have been times when he should have been challenged on something or brought something up. Different ways of working suit different people, but take the Red Bull example, GP is almost like a copilot in the car with Max. It’s a jarring contrast. Now if he’s improving his race management as much as he has been from Miami forward without input, just learning on the job, that should be terrifying for the rest. Lando fans better hurry up with that petition for revoking the superlicence of this reckless, selfish, aggressive child before it’s too late. 😬😜 I’ve yet to hear anyone mention psychopathy, but it’s a common knee-jerk reaction by folks who don’t understand assertive and ambitious introverts so I wouldn’t be surprised.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

It’s because Norris is an excellent qualifier, never been out-qualified by any teammate which includes Sainz, DR and Oscar

[@ChristosTzoannis]

Eh not really sainz is bad in quali riccardo was horrible at everything while they were teammates and piastri is still in his second season agreed he is a good qualifier but whether or not he is excellent is yet to be proven

[@walking1025]

@@ChristosTzoannis sainz is not bad in quali, he is less than a tenth behind leclerc

[@justinwalpole8956]

He beat sainz by 1, both seasons.

[@richmont9557]

​@@justinwalpole8956When he was in his first and seconds years just like oscars against lando

[@neptuniam]

@@justinwalpole8956 In his first 2 seasons, the same reason everyone praises Oscar's performance. He demolished Daniel after that

[@dennisbrannvalls1fan964]

Because Lando almost always qualifies in front of Oscar, but the gap is consistently within a tenth. So the head-to-head statistic by its own suggests Lando is miles ahead, whilst in reality, he is consistently ahead, but only just.

[@lucaschaves7710]

It doesn't necessarily suggest anything. I mean, some might be getting that idea, but I don't think it's a majority. Anyway, it's just a fact that LN has been better than Oscar in quali

[@mvd4436]

Lando is always superior in race pace also

[@NandoFIT-df8ly]

what about lewis? he is getting destroyed in qualy h2h by russell by the same h2h score. are the gaps also within a tenth or is lewis just finished?

[@doghat1619]

@@mvd4436 given that Oscar is scoring more than him, I find that highly unlikely. If Lando was faster in quali AND the race, how is Oscar outscoring him recently?

[@TheHidalgo99]

@@NandoFIT-df8ly Why u bringing Lewis into this? Can't go five minutes without hating on a legend?

[@husskies9700]

Where Oscar lacks in comparison to Lando, it's the ability to pull out the perfect lap at the end of Q3 (and your final lap in Q3 usually is the only lap that really means something). When he gets there he's gonna be even more of a threat. That being said, he's pretty much always close to Lando, and being close to Lando in qualifying means you're already pretty darn good.

[@rafayasfi]

The fact people are shocked at this is surprising. We saw this from Charles against Vettel in his second season. What I will say is that Oscar isn’t doing this to a guy who’s in a clear decline. He’s doing this to the best version of a driver. I can’t wait to see Oscar next year gunning for the world title

[@pro_grapist]

Oscar is doing what to a guy? What Charles did to Vettel? Charles outqualified and outscored Vettel in his second seasion, it was also his first season at Ferrari. Afaik Oscar is outqualified and behind on points against Lando in his second season in F1 and McLaren. Don't get me wrong, I agree that Oscar is becoming really good, but he is not yet as good as Lando. He might there one day and might even become better, the potential is there, but it can go either way. Excited to see these two race each other in 2025.

[@OK-fi4yq]

Charles dunked on Seb though, not comparable.

[@LawVS]

It's so interesting how the media are suddenly realising how good Oscar truly is...

[@Ibukun_1]

Shush u waffle too much my friend

[@LawVS]

@@Ibukun_1 That's what makes me me. :)

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

🪜

[@daviddillon940]

​@@Ibukun_1where's your youtube channel?

[@Ibukun_1]

@@daviddillon940 im jk around im literally subbed to the guy 😭

[@henrrryyyy]

It doesn’t really matter if you are faster over most laps in qualifying if you aren’t faster when it actually matters in qualifying.

[@220MM]

Totally agree with this

[@durjoydc]

Exactly. Q3 is where it counts.

[@NicotineRosberg]

Bro… punctuation marks exist

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@henrrryyyy It doesn’t prove this enormous pace deficit or explain why this talentless child who is always on his rims by the end of lap 1 and lucky to score points most races is at the top end of the grid racing against people who were in F1 before he had ever driven a racing car though.😛 He’s somehow the only driver whose skill level is inversely correlated with his level of attainment and who is getting worse with every race. This Mark Webber bloke must have some crazy clout. xD

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@henrrryyyy It doesn’t really matter if you qualify well if you’re halfway down the field by lap 2. If you hadn’t seen qualifying or the start you wouldn’t know if he’d had a good start from 15th or a Lando start from 3rd in Baku.

[@sabarisujeeth1363]

Let's not forget only has upgraded car in Miami and not Oscar and Silverstone oscar team didn't prioritise him.

[@AadheenHaider]

why would they priortise oscar ahen landos winning the race and is ahead in championship and is his home race stupid

I'm couting on Oscar to be champion in 2025 or at least fight for it

[@BloopGG]

Doesn’t make sense to use Q1-Q2 laps to make a point with the reasoning of the field being very tight and right after say the gap between both of them is within a tenth. The head to head is not misleading, Lando has been ahead and put the best lap together when it mattered and that’s it

[@comeatmebro3229]

its stll important to remember the gaps though, Piastri is 9 times out of 10 within 0.1s of Norris, thats still very impressive

[@1greenMitsi]

its just an exercise of increasing data points to increase the accuracy. Lando is regularily ahead with oscar less than a tenth behind on average, what the problem with that analysis?

[@brandonhollis9882]

I agree. To me this one feels like like an attempt to manipulate the data in such a way to meet a predetermined narrative versus developing the story around what the data says. Not a surprise though when it comes to Lando unfortunately. Social media will do anything they can to discredit him.

[@TommoOnYoutube]

I disagree, of course Q1 & 2 laps still carry weight - surely. Not as much as Q3, sure. I mentioned that specifically. But there's no way 13-4 actually represents the REAL 1 lap performance gap between the two.

[@LorenzoCorrado19]

​@@TommoOnKZbin It's not representative because it shouldn't be. The qualifying gap matters more. If a driver out qualifies their teammate every race by less than one tenth and another driver out qualifies their teammate most of the time by three tenths but not all the time, the latter pairing would be closer in performance (if we take only head to head qualifying wins). This stat is definitely for lazy people.

[@sniperkuzi4083]

Your logic just does not work because the final q3 lap and session is the one that matter the most and where the drivers push to the absolute limit. You can't use q1 laps or q2 laps when comparing qualifying head 2 head with two drivers consistently in q3. This does not mean that Oscar isn't a brilliant driver and he is obviously pretty close in qualifying but the logic is just flawed in my opinion. Its not misleading when it facts that Lando is ahead 13-4 and when he usually is faster when it counts. But I have been really impressed recently with Piastri and next year is going to be fun between them I think.

[@Ibukun_1]

100% agree with you, q3 is when everything is turned up everyone is giving 100% most times lando has the edge now the gap might be marginal at times lando is the quickest driver in his 1 lap pace

[@RockSolitude]

Lando stan spotted

[@Ibukun_1]

@@RockSolitude no just use common sense really theres different strat modes in quali

[@1greenMitsi]

hes just increasing the data set, whats the problem with using Q1-Q2 times?

[@madhavmanik9414]

@@RockSolitudeI am a fan of Piastri but i still agree with him

[@milseq]

People keep forgetting that in terms of experience Oscar is closer to Bearman and Colapinto than he is to the drivers he's fighting against.

[@ashleypribyl5647]

Oscar and Lando are the same age! Yes, he's young, but so is Lando. They both have room for improvement, and they both will. The future is bright for McLaren.

[@nik4219]

i think theyre a year apart but still your point stands

[@dupre7777]

big negative sir 6 years of f1 for lando .

[@4700Pedro]

@@dupre7777 still, McLaren only had a competitive car since last season (when Oscar dropped). So both have the same time with a good enough car. Although I agree Piastri will turn a better driver than Norris, they're both great talents that will improve a lot and that's a fact

[@dupre7777]

@@4700Pedro understood

[@jayrx2562]

I rate Oscar soo much and he is extremely talented and is future WC for sure but I really feel like people are putting too much pressure on him to deliver a Wc next season even ???. Aswell as Lando not getting his true praise due to hatred and not acknowledging that Norris is the better of the two race pace and Qualifying as of now

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

People are 100% doing that, mainly because for some reason they are heavily intent on discounting Norris Quali between them is 28-11, race finishes are 27-12 both in favor of Norris That would need to change dramatically in order for Piastri to win a title

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

Even the most biased of experts Peter Windsor will tell you why Oscar is there. He showed why they poached him from Alpine by winning a race in his rookie season and not melting into a blob of self-recrimination every time it didn’t go his way. The matchup should be like a Max to Checo or at worst Leclerc to Sainz. If Norris had what Piastri does in mental fortitude and aptitude for learning from his and others’ mistakes, we’d have an actual title battle brewing. Imagine if we could see into parallel dimensions… how would Ayrton Senna’s career have panned out if his very wealthy father had bought him his McLaren drive? (Apart from us never hearing the name Senna since he wouldn’t need to use his mother’s maiden name)

[@itz_tallientszz9563]

@@Duval-In-The-Wallpeople do that because Norris has been in Formula 1 singe such a Long time and in the Same Team. Piastri joins and just does it. On top of that he shuts up he is funny but he isnt like year Im number 1 Driver or im the King. He is the quiet kid that just outdrives Norris with 1 more Season. Who had such a good 2 seasons when starting formula 1

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

@@itz_tallientszz9563 Again, this is a very loose definition of “outdriving” Only 3 races ago we saw a weekend where Piastri was not even in Norris’ league

[@itz_tallientszz9563]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall as said with 1 more Season. Personally I thin Piastri will be infront next Season in comparison to Norris

[@EricBrown-w2p]

When you’re qualifying in a top car the gap won’t be much difference (unless you’re Checo) everybody else it’s close Ferrari, Mercedes who have two great drivers. Yes Oscar is brilliant and has so much potential but I do think that Lando is still doing better in qualifying but maybe not the race at times.

[@FreddyMacT]

I think it's because Piastri is still adjusting to F1 and Lando has years of experience, along with a good H2H battle that he dominated with Ricciardo. All of that experience piles up, but if on race day he mucks it all up and Piastri claims big points... it won't matter. Lando has bad habits as a front runner and the biggest issue isn't the gap in qualis, it's Lando's in race decisions.

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 “years of experience” and still nothing to show for it. Wheelchair testing in Chinese F9 with Zhou next year.

[@FreddyMacT]

@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT I don't think you understood what I wrote or are very stupid. So which is it?

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

@@FreddyMacT he’s good for PR. Not for motor racing. His “wins” were in spite of his skills, not because of them. He’s the new Ric.

[@FreddyMacT]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall I think with that McLaren, Lando is extremely rapid. But Lando craps himself as a front runner with 50+ laps to go. Piastri is benefiting from the pace of the car, but in race, Piastri has a killer quality that I think with Lando I'm always worried when he'll make the wrong move or blink vs Verstappen.

[@FreddyMacT]

@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT Who is good PR?... because neither Lando nor Piastri are really big movers in terms of marketing. Maybe Lando? But you're so vague I don't even know what you're saying.

[@Alex.The.Lionnnnn]

Yeah Tasty Pastry is still being underrated by drivers and pundits alike. Not sure how, but here we are!

[@LauraIsOverstimulated]

Oscar not only crushing it for McLaren but also the domino that broke Alpine, man has been working overtime

[@JasonAtlas]

I've seen a lot of Lando slander recently. He's ahead in quali and ahead in the points. Next year we will see but this year he is better and the recency bias is kind of insane. I've done a lot of maths with finishing positions recently. Some guy feeling but also projections based of track similarities and recent performance. Obviously it's all guesswork but a lot of my projections have Norris finishing 8-20 points behind max. If this happens that's entirely on McLaren. The McLaren is consistently 1st or 2nd fastest car. An average finishing position of 2.5 should be achievable for Norris and I reckon lijely but if max finishes within the top 4 with any regularity it's over. Basically Norris is now relying on over performing my expectations, which people rarely do or on max having a dnf or engine penalty. Basically I am very disappointed with McLaren. "You're going to need Oscar" that translates to "We need Oscar". Lando got mugged.

[@1greenMitsi]

"He's ahead in quali and ahead in the points.' - well, shouldnt he be as the senior driver? Have you noticed that he also loves to get pole but fluffs the lead before the first lap is over? Tommo's last 7 race trend has piastri on an upward trend too

[@errikos9968]

@@1greenMitsi​​⁠And that’s a problem Lando never has had before. He has acknowledged it. I am sure he will have it fixed by the end of the season just like he did with his qualifying form at the end of last season

[@KailiLive]

This Needed to be said but not a lot are willing to accept it. Oscar is a great driver who will NO DOUBT be world champion very soon but the recency bias he’s getting is absolutely wild

[@KailiLive]

@@errikos9968this year is one massive learning curve. Last year he needed to improve his qualifying and he did this year. This year the issue is race starts and needing to be less nice against people. No doubt if he fixes this for 2025, Lando will be far and away better than Oscar. Cos other than that, raw pace over one lap and a race, Lando’s got that over Oscar

[@1greenMitsi]

@@KailiLive 'raw pace over one lap and a race, Lando’s got that over Oscar' You know what hes also got over Oscar? Going backwards from P1 😄

[@chandupadissanayaka9964]

Oscar's one lap pace isn't bad, it's just that Lando's one lap pace is really good.

[@usedtoexistonce]

people forget how young lando is as well i feel like mclaren has struck gold and its perfectly fine if both drivers are young and quick if its a problem its a good one to have

[@daarom3472]

people also forget how young Max still is 😂 At 26 most drivers didnt even enter their prime (apart from Vettel). Both Michael and Lewis won like 85% of their races after 26.

[@usedtoexistonce]

@@daarom3472 THIS people talking about him this season make it seem like hes past his prime the recency bias amongst formula one fans is something else

[@loknathshankar5423]

Let's not forget, it's just his 2nd season

[@neptuniam]

How could we lol it's only mentioned in every comment

[@archieese9176]

Lets not forget, lando started at 18 and if he started at the age Oscar did, it'd be his 2nd or 3rd season as well💀

[@tigerpjm]

Thank you! I like both drivers, but some of the comments recently from -some- Lando fans has been ridiculous. The idea that passing is "dangerous", racing your teammate is "disloyal", and that Oscar has only won because he's been supported by Lando, who isn't winning the championship because Oscar hasn't are just ludicrous and, frankly, idiotic comments. A bit of bias is understandable. When you have a favpurite driver, the things that affect them stick in your memory in a way they don't when they happen to other drivers. And they do! But if you point some things then instantly it just turns into the same old comment section sh*tstorm, and today you're a Piastri fanboi where yesterday you were being accused of being one of Lando's 20 million Instagram followers. So what's the point really? I tbink Oscar still does have to improve qually a little. And, as with everything in life, a weakness tends to be a strength in the right circumstances, a strength a weakness in other circumstances. Oscars strength is his aggression, but his tyre managememt weakness arises from sitting on someones diffuser, lap after lap because... he's aggressive. With that said, I'd put money on Piastri winning aWDC before Norris. Anyone who doesn't like that is free to lose their own money however they choose Good vid Tommo. Glad you talked about it!

[@ctaaa76]

Bro you get bad fans in every single fans base. There are deluded fans all over the F1 fans base lol McLaren, Lando, Oscar fans are probably the best and least conflicted in F1 at the moment

[@Gopher31]

He reminds me of a young max verstappen without the crashes.

[@Thomas_Ade]

Terrible take when Max was Oscar’s current age it was 2021, when Max beat Lewis Hamilton to a WC. If you put Oscar in the 2021RB, as proven this year when he had the quickest car, Lewis would’ve probably had it wrapped up with three or four races spare.

[@uzaironf1704]

Max skipped almost all of the junior formulae where most young drivers have their crashes, so he basically had to learn while he was in F1. Oscar basically completed the entire ladder before joining F1.

[@inspiredglue2056]

@@Thomas_Adethe age isn’t the point it’s the number of years in the sport

[@ljnouata9088]

@@Thomas_Ade and if my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike.

[@takecourage92]

The scary thing about Oscar is how complete he is despite his age. He and Lando have similar amounts of pace - maybe Lando has a bit more at the moment when the chips are down - but Meanwhile Oscar's mentality as a driver feels stronger. Lando struggled so much to get his first win, and he still has moments where the pressure and self-doubt gets to him. Oscar's holding off Max at Spa last year, his passes on Leclerc in recent races - he seems like the sort of driver who could get a championship over the line and stay composed and consistent. He's also able to be aggressive without going over the line like Max does and his racecraft has improved a lot in recent years. Im pretty certain Oscar will be Max's main rival for the next 5 years if you give him the car.

[@iceyibis4876]

I think one of the best things for Oscar was the fact that last season he started in a car that was in all honesty pretty crap, along with being a rookie teammate to Lando, so there is wasn’t too much expectation for him to perform on the same level Lando was. The gradual improvement of McLaren I believe was the best possible thing for his development. He quite literally is aging like a fine wine.

[@valecasini]

0:30 what happened xD

[@michaelcobbin]

Oscar Piastri is still learning in F1, especially with tyre and race pace management. Lando Norris is now at the top of his game and is a damn good driver. Of course Lando had the advantage of Oscar in the early part of the season. Over the last seven races, Oscar’s tyre management and race pace management has come on leaps and bounds. What Oscar seems to be able to do is overtake his competitors when they are not expecting to do so, which means it’s difficult for them to stop Oscar’s overtake. Oscar is an aggressive driver with a self belief that he can overtake competitors without crashing. The fact is it doesn’t matter if Oscar is slightly behind Lando in qualifying when he is: - Generally a better starter than Lando. - Oscar can make up a place or two in the first 4 laps. - An aggressive overtaker but can avoid crashing. - Oscar is fast becoming one of the best overtakers on the grid.

[@kropianimation1774]

A very weird comparison of the laps at the end there tbh. Like surely it matters to be the fastest in Q3, not in Q1. That's like taking pratice long-runs and going "Look, this guy is better at tyre management". You wouldn't do that, you'd look at the race. Can Piastri get to Lando's pace in quali at some point? Sure. But he's not there yet. Oscar's yet to be on pole in the fastest car.

[@Ibukun_1]

Very weird comparison

[@1greenMitsi]

hes just increasing the data set......whats weird about that? Yes Lando is well ahead in raw head to head but Oscar is less than a tenth behiind - and outscoring him in the last 7 races. Lando loves to be on pole and then lose the lead before the first lap, shame theres no championship for pole positions

[@kropianimation1774]

@@1greenMitsi But increasing it by adding irrelevant data. You ultimately don't get a more relevent, accurate picture that way. It's qualifying, that's a session where by design the smallest margins can make a difference. Yes, Oscar has been outscoring Lando. I never said otherwise. Argubably unfortunate when that (the last 7 races) includes Austria, where Lando was hardly at fault for not scoring and would have outscored Oscar, but still: Oscar has done a great job. But he hasn't been as good as Lando in Quali.

[@1greenMitsi]

@@kropianimation1774 its more data points, clearly you dont understand statistics very well

[@neptuniam]

Arguably, isn't pushing harder than you need in early rounds of qualifiers just overusing the tires?

[@andrewntoth1]

Experience is Oscar's main visible issue ... you can't forget he's only in his second season!

[@michaelfierman3256]

That was a fantastic episode. You put in the work on that one. Super slick graphics and transitions. Tommo doing what Tommo does best. Love the shirt too 👊🏻

[@jotamun4307]

The only thing that still remains spinning in my head was when Lando asked that if he wanted to win that he would try to reach him. I don’t know if the effort that Oscar put in was very low or the degradation of the tires very high, but it didn’t seem to be close at any time, and the difference at first wasn’t very big. Anyway, I’m a fan of Oscar’s evolution, I hope his 3 year is even stronger than he already is, he is very consistent and the maturity he shows makes me think that he learns every second he spends inside the car.

[@CybrMyth]

It's not misleading. It's accurate. Norris is better than Piastri at qualifying

[@lucaschaves7710]

True. And it's ok. McL has two solid, great drivers. Don't like how these comparisons are going recently

[@lucaschaves7710]

Also, "but he's still so young". Lando is a year older only, and he can very well get better too. Just let things play out

[@wooloongabba]

Lando is great at time attack , Oscar is good at passing in a race ...

[@lucaschaves7710]

@@wooloongabba you know that's not true, though. I mean, it is, but Lando is better than just that, and Oscar is also better at qualies than people give him credit

[@lucaschaves7710]

​@@GARBO96well, yes and no. As you say, some people talk about one, some about the other. That's why Tommo used "young" and "inexperienced", which don't leave a gap for misunderstanding. But yes, in terms of F1 "age" he's younger. But I don't think it's just about that. Lando is an example, he's been solid, but last year is when he made a step, and this year he's been on top of it. Drivers can get better, or some can get worse at any point

[@azizhusseinz2083]

His race craft and maturity are amazing, we called Max as Crashtappen but Oscar never crash and very calm under the pressure. We don't call him as Oscrash Pirasti, don't we? It speak how good he is.

[@mcrgrooves]

Being a mad f1 fan from Melbourne, this is absolutely Awsome , we’ve been spoilt as Aussie fans for a long time but with Jack coming in as well couldn’t be more excited for the next few years

[@CompelledFungus]

After this race, Tommo let's do a first 40 race comparision between Oscar and the best of Formula One.

[@volvogt21]

I'd like to see that

[@delroyrobinson6835]

No point, look no further than Lewis.... 1st 10 races on the podium... what are we talking about here!

[@CompelledFungus]

@@delroyrobinson6835 open your mind bru, the sport isn't called Lewis Hamilton

[@delroyrobinson6835]

@@CompelledFungus Don't be so stupid! Reading with comprehension is an art. I was just answering Tommy's point with facts!

[@CompelledFungus]

@@delroyrobinson6835 I didn't dispute your fax bud! Chill!

[@joshgraham1863]

The fact Oscar could be 3rd in the wdc this year is crazy. He is crazy

[@martinavery3979]

Oscar has learnt when to do his own thing even though the team told him to preserve the tyres.

[@dukirps]

Oscar speaks to his team engineer at 200mph like he's walking on the beach with a mojito. IMO, he's the guy who will dethrone Max.

[@DanPuaVideos]

Oscar's biggest weakness is that he's too emotional. He needs to calm down 😂

[@cyancut21]

His Baku drive showed that Oscar has really improved at the „dull arts“ (great term btw), especially in the second half of this season This race was won by managing gaps with DRS through ERS management and managing tires on an absolute knife edge And he came out on top against Charles Leclerc who is especially on fire this year when it comes to race execution

[@quack4859]

The intro music is iconic. Love it

[@joshd171294]

With most teams having such narrow set up windows these days qualifying H2H is more misleading than ever. One car set up even a tiny bit differently could be 2/3 tenths off in qualy but much better on tyres in the race. The current regulations have made the sport a bit of a guessing game with setup for a lot of teams

[@IvanProsper]

Given the new parts were always rushed to lando's car first, the gap ought to be much larger in times and points.

[@DennisHorn-b3g]

The only time this season there was any difference was Miami when Lando had 2 extra parts worth around 1-2 tenths.

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

​@@DennisHorn-b3gand China lol piastri had no upgrades and Lando half and literally pulled half the gap because of that

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@DennisHorn-b3g And yet he needed to win the safety car lottery to have a shot at the race win - the hopeless slow tyreshredder from Melbourne was there the whole race to capitalise on Verstappen’s balls up.

[@DennisHorn-b3g]

@@ehrlichgesagt863What are you on about? Miami was the first time McLaren brought any upgrades this season

[@DennisHorn-b3g]

@@TheFinalMeowntdown Don’t really understand what point you’re making? Yeah Lando won Miami with luck the same way he lost a 15 second lead and the win in Canada to the safety car, F1 at times comes down to luck in races, welcome to the sport.

[@SDRaygon]

Imo Oscar is the best overtaker in F1 atm. Austria showed it, Spa showed it, Monza showed it and now we seen it again on Baku, he seems to almost always perfectly execute his overtakes, and the perfect moment (whats possible)

[@oIZemiixo]

Not misleading, he’s been faster for the majority of races and was once again faster in Baku, in quali and in the race pace. Miami? Do we remember what Perez did into turn one? Oscar had the gates open for him while everyone else had to avoid Perez. The team has cost both of them a lot of points, Canada, silverstone it goes on and on. Austria was a 31 point swing for Oscar that would double the current gap if max didn’t squeeze him.

[@Ashaman0gbg]

The real question is, how would oscars 1 lap pace be if he had been in a team where he didnt have an outstanding qualifier as a team mate. Its clear they both push eachother in that regard.

[@orangeballs4536]

the overwhelming consensus last year was oscar needs to work on his tire management, but now oh jesus hes like an AI rapidly improving and slowly becoming the terminator. if next year if mclaren is still the fastest car and if lando keeps choking on lap 1, oscar might just win the WDC

[@tekkerz3183]

If you couldn't see oscar talent from last season the you don't deserve to praise him now.. Kid is very talented.

[@Sekerps]

The final quali attempts is what matters most at the end of the day. I remember you saying Sargeant was "close" to Albon based on first Q1 laps, yet he basically never finished in front of him in 2 years and now Colapinto is showing us how bad he actually was

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@Sekerps Oscar = Logan. #okay

[@walover165]

Logan WAS closer to Albon this year, he just spent most of the first half of the year driving a worse car. Colapinto has stepped into a far better car than Logan has got to drive.

[@Thomas_Ade]

Can you make a video comparing the ability of top drivers up to Piastri age. I think it would slow you how far ahead Verstapen, Hamilton, Norris, Leclerc, Russell, Alonso etc are

[@fplfieco22]

I find it hilarious when people say Oscar helping Lando would be awful when McLaren have had many opportunities to help Lando with Oscar and never have. Every time Oscar might hold Max up in a race they pit Oscar. Lando helped Oscar more in Azerbaijan than Oscar has helped Lando is his entire career

[@MasterNinjaOfShadows]

He literally got team ordered in his home race. What are you talking about

[@PuffPiastri]

I am the BIGGEST Oscar fan, but I really wish that he did his best to help Lando win this year, then go full out for WDC next year. He could have let Lando win in Hungary and not done the overtake in the previous race.

[@DJHarris27]

​@@MasterNinjaOfShadows Lando was on 5 lap younger hards and ended 17 seconds in front of Piastri. Not the dub you thought it was bossman.

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

“Lando, do you mind slowing Checo down for us?” “What? Fuck off!” “Okay Oscar, change of plan, we need to box this lap to cover Pérez”

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@PuffPiastriAsk Mark Webber, David Coulthard and Valtteri Bottas how that ends.

[@declanfrew6958]

It's Oscar's temperament that sets him apart from anything I've seen in the sport. He's so cool, calm and calculated, a stone cold killer. And he has the skill and talent to go with it. I'm a massive Charles fan, but this kid is the real deal

[@stabsfeldwebela4178]

The questions I would ask of Lando’s driving priorities. His race weekend setup philosophy. I believe Oscar doesn’t look at the winning of pole as a thing I must win to win the weekend. I just think he works with what he has. I don’t think has ever been that guy during junior categories. He is simply underestimated because he doesn’t say anything except do the things people doubt him over. So how I have read him of late. He is no longer working out how all the systems can control his whole of race pace over different types of racing circuits. I believe his approach now is compartmentalization of race segments and executing them one at a time. He has a plan to pass at the race start, he has a plan to use his tires to achieve a race deciding result at the time he does it. I don’t worry about his qualifying, I do believe he is more professor than iceman. He will execute if given a sniff, that is his ultimate strength you can nearly say expect it, don’t think a rookie I can deal with later.

[@ReadySteadyDESTROY]

Always love your content Tommo, keep up the good work

[@jamesharwood4350]

I’d be interested to see a similar video explaining the gap between Rus and Ham.

[@c.l.8213]

I really love-hate that Piastri is as good as he is. I want Lando to do well. He seems like a fun dude. PIA is the same. And they're in the same team. I want them both to win. FUCK

[@DB-a-Boeing-Dr]

Comparing Norris vs Piastri is so very difficult, they both go about their work in the car very different ways. Norris is very much the balls to the wall type driver where Piastri is a very measured calculating driver, much like Prost was and I wonder if these two driving styles and philosophies is where McLean are having issues with overall team strategies going through a weekend.

[@danpaton9744]

I fully believe Oscar finishes ahead of Lando in the championship next season, Lando needs to win it this year or his teammate is going to start being a serious issue

[@otusthenocturnal187]

If Oscar follows the trajectory he seems to have taken, it will put him in a very good position opposite Lando for 2025. I am not saying he will necessarily beat him, as there's just too many factors to consider (and especially if 2025 is as batsh*t insane as this season, where we've thrown predictions out the window so many times), but he will be even closer to him. He definitely needs to work on his qualifying, though, especially if he means for McLaren to start prioritising him, it's quite strange he has not won a Grand Prix pole yet. But again, things are so unpredictable nowadays, the margins so tight, that with his relative inexperience it's still understandable.

[@Bycanroc]

norris can get in a fast lap, but never convert that into a hard fought battle, pressure will choke him. He's stupidly fast in qualifying and has had most of this season's fastest laps, but in terms of fighting for a win, he has none.

[@Lore4Sun]

Yeah Lando is still ahead in qualifying, and i think in general he gets up to speed in practice and qualifying quicker than Oscar, which i would say comes down to experience. Give it another year and he will be hitting the ground running and probably their qualifying will be comparable or maybe Oscar ahead. Norris is a choker, he makes silly mistakes at crucial moments and whinges, I don’t see he’s really got the character of a champion, even though he can be fast and aggressive, but he just doesn’t come across as confident that a champion needs to be. Norris can still be better at times on tyre management but that gap is nearly gone and in general Piastri is more consistent and without the drama, mistakes and whinging. If Piastri doesn’t overtake Norris on points this year, which is definitely possible on current trajectory, he will next year for sure. I assume Norris will get more whingy and find an excuse to jump teams, possibly to red bull when max and and his overbearing interfering father go off to Mercedes.

[@visionproductionsnz7828]

One of your best Tommo, and I agree that the qualifying gap is distorted. When I BIG UP Oscar's performances the (apparently) Lando fans come out to shoot it down as "overrated" or whatever. They don't recognise that it is BECAUSE of my regard for Lando that I rate Oscar as the next big thing. Actually if you scan the last 3, 5, 7 race results Oscar dominates the points scored against a very strong cast of more experienced drivers. As your stats so clearly showed! Two very very fast drivers has Max looking over his shoulder.

[@jonr309]

Its not misleading - he's quicker - simples

[@zacksmith9864]

The answer is its not misleading i hope that helps

[@drkntetas]

In a different universe Oscar is drowning in an Alpine tractor.

[@josephvickers167]

I legitimately think that once Oscar finds that little bit of quali pace, it's over. He's constantly having to overtake people in the early laps, but most often gets it done. If he didn't have to overtake so often I wonder how much better his average finishing position would be this season

[@thijsvons2510]

So that means Lando is clutching up in (the last lap of) Q3, which is something Piastri can definitely improve on

[@DennisHorn-b3g]

You mention a lot of bad luck for Piastri, but none of the bad luck for Lando that he’s went through this season, sure Oscar could have more points if he was luckier but the same could be said for Lando

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@DennisHorn-b3g List ‘em then.

[@DennisHorn-b3g]

@@TheFinalMeowntdown Saudi Arabia- caught out by SC, Canada- lost race win to SC, Hungary- Car glitch in gear changes cost win, Silverstone- got put on wrong tires, Austria- taken out of the race in P2, Baku- knocked out in Q1 by yellow flag

[@yannickvaz694]

Like Tommo said, every driver had their own share of bad luck. My issue is that Norris is wildly underappreciated. He doesn't get enough credit for his good drives, but gets a lot of flak for mistakes (even in cases which are not his). It's been happening since 2021. Drivers like Max, Fernando, Charles, and now Oscar to an extent would be excused for the same issues and luck.

[@midnightq69]

⁠@@yannickvaz694tf? Many people are in hysterics saying Oscar should bend over for Lando for the WDC, you think that says Lando is wildly under appreciated?

[@chuckmeat87]

Yeah but every driver has bad luck. A lot of points were lost because of Lando’s own doing

[@OK-fi4yq]

Would be interested to see one on Russell and Hamilton's points tally being misleading given that, without poor luck (Australia, up for debate; Imola, pitted for fastest lap; Silverstone; Hungary, qualifying bottle from Merc; Belgium), George would be 40+ points clear.

[@violetcitizen]

I appreciate that Oscar is doing an amazing job so early on in his career but I feel like the experienced drivers he's been racing against have actually facilitated the whole narrative. His overtake in Monza lap 1 could have compromised both McLarens but Lando avoided any contact. Likewise, the full send in Baku required so much trust in Leclerc to not defend erratically (or at all). When Max was attempting similar moves early on in his career he was just crashing into people. Again, Oscar is driving incredibly at the moment and fair play to him for taking his chances, but if we're extrapolating moments from races to praise him, then let's look at the 13-4 (or even the q1 and q2 infused 0.08 you got) in quali and praise Lando accordingly.

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

@@violetcitizen If you’re getting ahead by giving your opponent the option to move or crash - as in THE OPTION, not “yolo, if we don’t crash I win”, that’s just good car placement. There’s no blind faith there. If they don’t have the option to defend, they’re the one to blame if they crash into you trying.

[@ljnouata9088]

Cry harder mate. Your tears are delicious

[@RealCharlemagne0809]

I don't think Qualifying is where Piastri needs to improve the most. He has shown his one lap pace already in his rookie season. It is mainly his racepace compared to Landos. Don't get me wrong Piastris performance last weekend was very impressive, I just doubt he would have achieved as much as Lando starting so far back.

[@zjsz4954]

Piastri is the guy, kid is ice

[@bkbaughn]

Oscar is a champion surely. You attributed a lot of bad luck to Oscar but what about Lando's bad luck... He and Max don't come together in Austria where Lando should have won as he was certainly faster. That alone takes a load of points away from him... Say what you want about that race but Verstappen was assessed a penalty after the incident that took Lando out for a reason...

[@brandonhollis9882]

Exactly, works both ways...but pointing that out doesn't fit into most content creators' agendas of trying to discredit Lando in an effort to big up Oscar. Similarly, without being unlucky in qualifying in Baku, there is every chance Lando wins because I think he would've qualified at least P2 and this whole narrative is very different.

[@mrbungle3310]

Piastris weakness if you want to call it is no experience in a downward spiral,but maybe theres no such thing as that for him

[@jTheFifth]

its like everyone forgot piastri had a diffrent car to lando first half the season until after miami

[@stephaniecampbell6119]

They had half a spec difference for one race only but whatever suits your agenda

[@nikolakrstevski8578]

How is it misleading when that is a statistic, maybe the gap isn't that big but he still outqualified him 14 times.

[@RockSolitude]

Did you even watch the video before commenting? Statistics don't exist in a vacuum mate. The statistic (which requires interpretation to give meaning) suggest that Lando is leagues better than Oscar. That Lando has been rinsing him this season. That there is a huge gap between them. Things which people like you all to often like to suggest. However, as this video explains, and as just investigating anything this season would tell you, is a false and context-free narrative. The reality is they are extremely close to each other in qualifying and the gap is often underneath a tenth. Given Lando is one of the best qualifiers on the grid with 6 years experience, oodles of raw pace and an incredible ability to drive _exactly_ how the car wants and needs to be driven to get the most out of it, that's nothing to sneeze at, and it's certainly not the wash out TeamLN are desperate to suggest.

[@5150TJT]

And if Oscar beats him in the WDC, whats Landos excuse 🤔🤔🤔

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Their quali h2h record is 28-11 in favor of Norris

[@TheFinalMeowntdown]

Also: Lando’s car, Oscar’s making do.

[@squalidseal6126]

🙄

[@yammt3148]

Piastri is the future... He's cold. And its nice to see a McLaren driver who isn't best besties with the current champion.

[@selder_7]

It’s going to be so interesting at McLaren next year, Piastri could depose Norris. And then does that open the door for Bortoleto? And does he then do the same to Piastri? Next year’s going to be brilliant, titles up for grabs and intrigue in so many teams

[@bertocentofante]

i also think being young and having a great car is a huge advantage, he has now had a top 3 car for more races than not.

[@kensingtonreginald]

Tommo this might be your most pointless video yet. I love your content listen to everything this video didn’t say anything compared to your other videos. Love your work man. I’ll try to comment and help the algorithm more. Cheers

[@connor_cant_game3420]

Uploading a minute early are we?

[@stephaniecampbell6119]

Tommo, I love your stuff but this has missed the mark for me. The media and content creator narrative at the minute is all against Lando. Fair dos everyone’s a sheep. Thing is Baku, he was unlucky in qualifying. We don’t know how that race would have went with Lando qualifying near the front. I think it’s all just way too disingenuous what’s happening around the commentary with Lando the now. At the end of the day he’s ahead of his teammate in near enough every statistic. Yes Oscars great but so is Lando. Disappointed you’ve jumped on the bandwagon of let’s discredit Lando.

[@sujjo]

A second season in F1 in a quick car yes... the kid is talented. However, if we're talking about outstanding second seasons, a lot of people don't count Charles Leclerc's second season. Again plagued with bad luck. He was wheel to wheel with Verstappen and putting on a show for us in Silverstone. Winning Spa and Monza back to back and almost making it 3 in a row in Singapore all without a car that's anywhere close to dominant as this year's McLaren. Oscar is special. But let's not get too carried away with the "It's only his secind season" talk. It's not something we've not seen before. But damn I agree, it's exciting to see how far Oscar can go. Formula 1 is in good hands! :D The Crazy thing is, what do Oscar Piastri, Charles Leclerc, Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen in common? The same driving style. The feel for the car. The positioning of the car in the corner. The rotation technique etc. So when Oscar hits his peak, there's nothing much the others can do to find more speed to beat him. It is exciting :)

[@Jattie3434]

So what happened at the Dutch GP where Lando beat him by almost half a minute?? Oscar has never beaten Lando by that much time while they started near each other on the grid. And don't forget Lando also had bad luck this season like the Canadian GP when the safety car came out while he was leading by over 12 seconds and the DNF at the Austrian GP while battling for the lead against Max and this past weekend's Q1 yellow flag. Some people have short memories. Oscar is only one year younger than Lando. I wonder what Oscar would have done with the poor McLaren cars Lando had to drive with in the beginning of his career. Even Carlos and Daniel struggled with those cars.

[@1greenMitsi]

Piastri is still a rookie, still ironing bugs out. His tyre management wasnt up to scratch....looks like hes getting on top of things though :)))....since we're om 'what happpened' what do you think is happening with Lando and his inability to convert pole to wins? I mean he's barely kept the lead from P1 through to the second lap. Bit worrying for such a talented driver in his 6th year of F1

[@Jattie3434]

@@1greenMitsi he is definitely not a rookie. Bearman is a rookie. He is lucky that he started his career in a car that is capable of podiums. He could have been in a midfield team like Lando was in his first two seasons. And remember Alpine invested millions in Oscar's development. That's why they were so angry when he left in 2022. So he was well prepared for F1. If it's so easy to convert poles into wins then why does Charles Leclerc only have converted 5 wins from 26 poles in his career??

[@1greenMitsi]

@@Jattie3434 lol it's literally 2nd season and he is already beginning to outperform lando. Next year he will be world champion

[@OK-fi4yq]

Qualifying head-to-head can't be misleading, you either outqualify them or you don't.

[@COMBUSTIBLE69]

Would love to see an indepth analysis of both Merc drivers, seeing the super close stats would be informative.

[@dzzlucas]

In the end, what matters. Lando’s better in qualy, and race. Stats don’t lie. And Oscar is a great driver, but not there yet.

[@MrProfJay]

We are seeing Oscar learn what it means to drive in F1. It didn't take him long to get it all together and what we are seeing is his consistency with keeping it together. I think the major difference between Lando and Oscar now is how they deal with the pressure. Lando hasn't folded under it but we can see that it affects him. Nothing seems to even affect Oscar.

[@georgekendall2053]

Singing the intro music killed me😂

[@skye2271]

I think this way of comparing qualifying is... a bit ridiculous. nobody is going all out in q1 in a top car, even nowadays. top end drivers regularly find .2 compared to their teammates on the final lap in qualifying, and this essentially treats qualifying like it's this set of 10-ish all-out laps at peak performance, which is just not the case at all.

[@pmp1337]

The thing is. Piastri fans are ready to throw Lando under the bus, and have McLaren LOSE the WDC because they want to be sure Lando isn't challenging Oscar's number 1 status next year. Now that is surreal, unfair towards Lando who has helped Piastri numerous times including on his first win and his last... actually, how many races has Piatri won without Lando's intervention? 1 Sprint? Oscar hasn't helped Lando a single time. Every time he could have defended Max, he did NOTHING. Carlos Sainz in the Ferrari has helped Lando more times than Oscar in the same team. And I'm going to be honest. I even think Max is self sabotaging to help Lando as well, Max has done the minimum defending against Lando this last 2 races. This video claiming Lando has better one lap pace. No, Lando has better LAP PACE. every where! You are mistaking Lando's cautiousness with lack of race craft. The same time that comparing last races when Lando has crashed against the championship leader, lost Q1 last race and got caught by surprise by his teammate in Monza. I think much of Piastri's success is from other drivers underestimating him. But that won't last. And if he doesn't learn to manage tires in dirty air. He will not have the consistency of drivers like Lando. Lando is in 2nd on his own merit. How come people don't compare Leclerc Russel Hamilton Sainz to Lando? With only 2 wins, Lando is closer to Max than all of them. Piastri fans were probably drooling at the idea of Oscar getting a bunch of points on Lando. Yet Lando goes from 17 to 4... with fastest lap. Where are Oscar's fastest laps? Also, "only second year on F1". Oscar is 23! Lando is 24! You think Oscar was working at mcdonalds before? Oscar has more experience in fighting for titles than Lando who has been driving a midfield car for the last 5years.

[@Wessi10Barca]

Fastest lap because he was the only top car in the last stint on much lower fuel It was from 15th to 4th (because Sainz and Perez crashed making it look better) Lando wasn't near Oscar in Hungary Funny how you have to manipulate Lando's stats to make him look better + look at the quali gap between Lando and Oscar

[@inspiredglue2056]

Piastri fans don’t owe Lando Norris anything. I would rather see Piastri be selfish

[@pmp1337]

@@Wessi10Barca My friend. Go check the fastest lap for ALL the races. Piastri only has 1 fastest lap better than Landos fastest lap. Even in Austria, Landos FL was faster than Oscar and Lando crashed on lap 53.

[@RichardJohnson-nq9ys]

@@pmp1337were you in support of Lando or against him. All those words and you ended your argument with “and Lando CRASHED” good point.

[@Svengali_Fishing]

“One of his trademark clangs with carlos” you lost me at that point… maybe a trademark for Carlos who IS the worst wheel to wheel racer in F1

[@archieese9176]

People talk about how young Oscar is to be this good as if lando is 40 years old 😂 they're both literally the same age. Maybe 1 year apart

[@mutleyeng]

i dont think oscar or Lando will dominate over the other. Oscar is still getting better, but in some ways, to a lesser degree so is lando. They have very different strengths - but when you look at Landos pace at Baku, I don't think anyone would have lived with that, including charles and Oscar. Because their strengths are so diverse, its probably about as good a driver pairing as Mclaren could ever hope to get

[@sieme8282]

Oscar’s amazing but ofc he’s gonna do well at 23 with that talent. Max at 23 was fighting Lewis in 2021 for his first WDC

[@gfunkyotrunk]

I love the vid and the data Tommo and being an Aussie myself I wanna see Oscar get it but Lando is a different animal. Just need him to get his inner ruthless out then I'd like to see his wins pile up. Lando is too nice at the mo but such a likeable dude.

[@kzaeytzev4810]

Lando is better at qualifying than Oscar, but if you don't win, your one lap pace doesn't matter.

[@dfon4056]

The new opening jingle goes hard