I Took an ax Handle to my Horse. How Ruin your horse

[@andrewteets9284]

Excellent video I had this conversation with my wife a year ago that you don’t let them get by with little things because they turn into big things and that I was always the herd leader and had to have their respect. I want to thank you for how well you explained this. I’m going to send this to a few people I know that need to hear it.

[@downthetraillogging]

Well said! Thank you

[@carolewilliams2232]

I never thought about all those things you’re saying are you sure makes sense thank you❤

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@@carolewilliams2232 Thank you

[@rebecca_stone]

Half focusing on your wonderful explanation, half entranced by what a handsome pair they are.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@dianer.9203]

“Quality of life” is the issue. The hierarchy of your herd is established and the horses are comfortable KNOWING what it is going on. Great job my friend.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thanks

[@Tom-p5z]

I'am 75 now and that was the best explanation of a proper relationship between a man and a horse i have ever heard! Agree with you 100%. I practiced most of what you said anyway, now I feel I can be a better teamster with what I just learned. Love to watch you work your horses. Thanks

[@downthetraillogging]

That's quite the compliment. I'm flattered. Thank you Sir.

[@colettejaques2559]

😢 sad....does anyone account the age of the horses?

[@Nadieclipsa]

That s the best clear explanation ever. It s obvious your dominance is about respect and boundaries and not about fear and abuse. And there is no grey zone. Or they trust and follow you with free will or not. Which is so nice to read by their body language. Humans are more difficult to deal with. Stay well.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yes Thank you

[@angelareimann6433]

Experience speaks. Mutual respect and constant observation. Thank you for your explanations. So many people are not exposed to farms or rural life.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@gardenman6218]

An excellent well articulated explanation. Mutual respect is very evident . Thank you for taking the time to clearly explain.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@boowho2inthekudzu355]

Loved the honesty and real life situations, "consistent superior" 100% agreement, well said! God bless you and yours❤

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@jaegertiger384]

AGREED about MUTUAL RESPECT and TRUST.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@renahaldiman1155]

Great video teaching!! This is so much like what I’ve observed Cesar Millan teaches about dogs - y’all are echoing each other -the animals read body language, energy, respect and trust, and people are usually the initial problem leading to the animal developing bad habits/ responses. My daughter has dogs and my friend has horses, all I love to interact with. I liked your explanation of a person’s bubble and respecting it. Consistent Superior = horse comfort & safety. Thankyou for taking time to make this video❤

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@Sylvia-zg6yh]

you are such a pleasure to watch and learn from . your horses know you are the herd leader and it shows their trust and devotion they have for you. you are a rare and compassionate herd leader and will one day, if not now, make a wonderful father as you will be a blessing to your children. i truly enjoy your channel

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@jessicaf5491]

lol he was worried the other one was doing something he couldn’t. As soon as he got the chance he looked back then was fine. It’s impressive you picked up on that.

[@downthetraillogging]

LOL Gus

[@ellac2263]

Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly. Can definitely see the respect they have. Very well trained. You are an amazing trainer. You love them and they care about you.

[@downthetraillogging]

I appreciate that!

[@sallysmith9733]

You are a natural thank you 😂so much. Im normally frightened of horses. Your explanation. Has helped me so much. Thankyou

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@FishOrCutBait-i1b]

I agree, we have 9, 2 are gypsy drum horses over 18hh and 2200 - 2400, one is cobby the other looks Shire, half brothers out of Galway Warrior. Horses are looking for a leader. Were blessed with some really sweet horses like yours. The rest are mostly QHs, old cow horses, good kids too. We can call all our guys off pasture individually

[@downthetraillogging]

That's Cool

[@bubba8518]

You can tell how calm and confident these horses have been able to become because of being with you. Love it

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Thanks

[@Stacey0909]

Yes!

[@juliejenkins2376]

I just found this guy and I love his relationship with his horses and his philosophy. People who think it's "abuse" to have that type of "discussion" with their horses and get physical if necessary, are often putting themselves and others in danger. Clearly you haven't spent much time around a herd and seen the way a lead mare is willing to claim her space or correct another horse for overstepping! Keep doing what you're doing old mate!

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@ericvogel1126]

Thanks for the excellent explanation about the relationship between humans and horses.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@MyDuckSaysFucc]

Probably the most important thing for beginners to learn. I remember having to learn this with my show cow, if you don’t correct them physically they will hurt you.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@JaimeBruno-o2h]

U need to teach horse training classes!! U are so in tune with your horses and they respect u! It’s incredible!! Such beautiful, calm, well trained horses.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@Just_A_Wandering_Star]

I agree! You would make an amazing trainer or someone who gives informative speeches about horsemanship. I would pay to go to a class with a speaker like you!

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@@Just_A_Wandering_Star Thanks

[@lmedart]

From watching their demeanor and yours, it's clear you don't beat your horses regularly. I'd encourage you to choose your words carefully as amateurs are listening. I agree that respect of space is paramount. But without a video showing what you mean by disciplining, I fear you are inadvertently encouraging the inexperienced to be physical. The title is awful. Otherwise, well done.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@lmedart Thank you

[@SouthernCharmaine]

As one who’s owned German Shepherd dogs for 50 years plus, I would absolutely pay you for your excellent explanation of animal behavior n how utterly important it is that you/we be known as the alpha or leader especially in male German Shepherd dogs. I can’t count the times I’ve explained to owners of young males in particular how imperative it is to get on a dog n I mean hard to the point they’ll never challenge you or repeat said behavior. Unfortunately, there’s been times the dog paid for the owners mistake with their precious lives. Gosh you explained that SO well n I just want to thank you! I’m going to save this video for future reference in case I run across another unknowing, untrained dog owner. I have a neighbor in mind 😊 Thank you SO very much for sharing your insight n experience!

[@downthetraillogging]

You are so kind, Thank you!

[@samiehayes8045]

So you condone beating and/or hitting the GS?? Dare I ask if they lost their lives from being hit or other? Those people don't deserve any animals!!

[@brendanhayes2752]

Don’t own a horse but just subscribed. Our lab does the same thing, always testing. You do a great job presenting the info. Thanks

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[@rickbarnard-uj8hs]

Instantaneous repercussions for mean aggressive behavior, yes. I had a young mare who hated me, she would do anything to test me, one day she was determined to escape when I was leading her to the barn. I had a unbreakable halter on her, and managed to get her back to the barn through going from tree to tree wrapping the rope around trees as I went. I won that battle and from that day forward never had another problem with her. She outweighed me by 1000 lbs but She would come to me from that day onwards when she was frightened or worried. What a blessing she was, lost her at 35.5 years old, I miss her terribly.

[@downthetraillogging]

Wow

[@kbrown611]

Great presentation. They’re so handsome being all trimmed up 😊

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you! 😊

[@roseharvey3579]

I liked this video, very interesting and got a good conversation going. I dont work with horses, just love them and am a bit of a softy, but your explanation made a lot of sense, so thats something new I've learned. I thought the expression "having a "come to Jesus moment" was hilarious. Hoping I'll get a chance to use it sometime 😂😂 ❤

[@downthetraillogging]

LOL Thank you

[@harridan.]

i am more like you, however i have a friend who has a rare gift, she is tiny, under a hundred pounds, and she can just talk to animals and she truly connects with them, they respond to her in ways that i never can. truly amazing.

[@downthetraillogging]

Cool Thank you

[@jamespenn5788]

It is the same with children. If you let your children disrespect you, they will continue to disrespect you and that is a big problem in today's society. Dad and mom, you are the boss not your kids.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@lizaolsen6405]

You are very right about respect but you can obtain it without beating them.

[@doctorsphoenix4681]

Horses kick each other all the time. You think an axe handle would be worse than a horse's kick? 😂 If the moment calls for it, the horse needs to learn it cannot hurt a human. A horse can easily kill you with one of their normal corrections for another horse. Also, does this horse look at all afraid of this man? He obviously does not abuse this horse.

[@SherryONeill]

Horses Need To Be Spoken To In Horse LanguAge ESpecially In Regards To Pecking Order And who Is In Charge Yes It Does Not Look Good But Physical Boundarys Need To Be EnForced Physically SomeTimes That Means Using Horse LanguAge Like They Do With Each Other

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you Sir

[@cjwalthall11]

He didn't say beat them he said weather you put them in a round pen and run them whatever you chose but be consistent. You can not teach a horse to be human. You teach a horse by physical horse language. It's the only way. I know it sounds mean but it is truly the only way AND it saves their life to live a long happy life being groomed, travel and trail riding whatever but it has to be done PERIOD.

[@woodsgremlin9995]

It starts when people don't notice the little signs of disrespect.

[@downthetraillogging]

You hit the nail on the head. Thanks

[@TheCowboylogic]

​@@downthetrailloggingGood comments on this video. It is easy to see the people who 'Get It', and those in the Horse Rescue Crowd.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@TheCowboylogic Yep

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@@TheCowboylogic Thanks

[@marilyntill9507]

@@woodsgremlin9995 That’s went it needs to be (Nip in the Bud)!!

[@buddyrobinson3514]

NAILED IT! Been trying too explain this for years! Thank you!

[@downthetraillogging]

You're very welcome!

[@sallynolan5928]

Interesting video. I showed this to my husband. He’s in complete agreement- boundaries are to be respected. Animals are much happier.

[@downthetraillogging]

cool

[@elizabethneer5848]

You’re absolutely correct!! Respect and trust.. you have that with your honeys..they are just lovely ❤❤❤❤

[@downthetraillogging]

LOL Thanks

[@AnastasiaRomanov-w9x]

Those big fellas learn real quickly that they are powerful and can push humans around.it is good for them to know who the king of the herd is.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yes Thank you

[@jaysmith8199]

I totally agree with you on ruining a horse. I don't agree with you taking an axe handle. That smacks of laziness. After you did it, you found out about his hay hogging. You should've found out that first, then work with Gus to correct his going for you. Going to the arena/ whatever and working those habits out through like you said repetition, patience and consistency. I watch Black Horses Friesians in the UK - big horses (originally bred as warrior horses) Tracey runs a sanctuary and had 6 yr old Nero come, classed as a "dangerous' horse. He knocked her over once in the arena. Never did it again. How? Training, patience, consistency. No use of whips/ axe handles etc. He's been there a year and has quietened down and is easy to handle. He's the youngster, still likes to rock climb, kick gates and play with stuff (a busy mind but a fused hock so vv light work) Tracey has been involved with/ trained horses all over thenworld. She still goes to a trainer and embraces different thinking even though she has over 30 yrs of experience. I hopenyou have an open mind and can learn new things on horses, training, understanding all the time. I love heavy horses. Rode, well sat on Shire horses as a kid 😊

[@maggiemant3409]

Completely agree, Tracey is the best positive horse trainer, never loses it just gets on with the training and respect issues, sometimes horses do this because they have pain too, imagine being beaten because you’re pissed off in pain. There is another guy in the UK he goes to America to train horses too, his KZbin is Steve Young Horsemanship, never gets angry just gets firm and uses amazing skills to train the horses, he always talks about personal space but never ever beats a horse, a must watch for everyone with horses in my opinion! There are definitely other ways to train horses positively, I wish this guy and his horses well but please don’t beat them anymore, find another way to ask for space!

[@WonkyWomanLife]

And they think it's the stallion, who runs a herd,but it is the elder mare. They teach us alot

[@downthetraillogging]

True

[@samiehayes8045]

Makes perfect sense & you did excellent job of training them! I could tell in first video that you each have trust! Please dont hurt them?! They are adorable standing side by side!❤

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you so much

[@cjwalthall11]

That was incredibly knowledgeable and great information I wish woukd go viral. Best video I have ever listened to by far. THANK YOU!

[@downthetraillogging]

Wow Thanks

[@itsallgravy7]

This is an excellent channel. Good info❤

[@downthetraillogging]

I appreciate that!

[@TheSouthIsHot]

They seem to move in slow motion. They're like the B-52s of horses.

[@downthetraillogging]

LOL Yep

[@barryrahn5957]

What wonderfully relaxed eyes they have.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yep Thanks

[@kimorakatina]

I absolutely love horses. I’m happy I found your channel. I’m learning so much about horses. I hope to have a farm one day full of horses and dogs, lol. They’re so majestic and beautiful. I’m actually terrified of them and would probably run in person but idc one day I’ll get over it and meet one in the flesh! If a horse accepts me I’d die of appreciation 😩

[@downthetraillogging]

Hope you get to meet an awesome horse some day soon. They really are great. 😊

[@sweethomefarm1]

Right on! This is something i wont even talk about with most people because most people just dont understand. You nailed it. I have some ornery horses that need to be checked more than others. I especially have to watch my herd boss mare. She has to try to test the linuts every now and again. She is boss over everyone else so if i can keep her in line the rest follow.

[@downthetraillogging]

100% Thanks

[@TheCowboylogic]

​@downthetraillogging Young man. You are 100% correct, and you will probably get a lot of flak for this video. The very key word is 'Respect'. Non horse people do not understand that concept. Horses are not big furry pets. Whether they are draft horses or a good cow-horse, they are tools.

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@@TheCowboylogic Thanks

[@marilyntill9507]

@@TheCowboylogicI grew up with horses 😊 They are such a pleasure to be around…❤

[@brendaconrad1257]

Ditto all the great coments. Love watching you and Gus and Boo? Is his name Boo or Boon? Anyway both your horses are magnificent and you are so calm and confident. Thanks for sharing.

[@downthetraillogging]

It's Boom Thank you

[@deborahkoller9463]

Absolutely correct in every regard!!!

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@clairebunn3949]

Good explanation. The kindness thing you can do for a horse is to educate them x

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Thanks

[@mike-wp7xe]

Yep, people first always. Some don't deserve it but it applies the same.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@blackdiamond7708]

❤🎉😮 Awww your horses are absolutely beautiful and so well trained, amazing to see!! This video came up in my feed, I'm a retired woman now but miss the country life of Kenosha Wisconsin on our little ten acre farm and orchard. I watch some other horse channels so yours was suggested and I subscribed, thank you for anything that you have time to share..!! 🙂❤️🐎🇺🇲🪻 Ps you remind me of our young Brett Favre, "Four" was from the South too, maybe you've heard of him. 😁

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you so much!

[@shutupdeck]

I once watched a horse kick a bee… didn’t even look and it just “bzzzzzz”…. even a tiny lil bee is a no go in that personal space 😂❤ Your horses are just gorgeous and so full of personality 🎉 can’t wait to learn more!

[@downthetraillogging]

Oh wow LOL Thank you

[@ramiethepeep]

Thumbs up to this old school, good plain horsemanship! I'm not sure why people don't get it: when a Chihuahua is a rude shit, you might get two stitches at worst. When a 1900 pound horse cops an attitude, someone can die. They don't have to actually blow up, just shoving you around is enough to kill you if you're between that butt and a stall wall! Abusing a horse just makes them angry, defensive and scared.. an abused horse is dangerous. A horse that understands how the world works is a chill companion, just like these two gents. The secret is as easy as "when it's over it's over"...but that part takes courage and maturity, enough to pet the horse you just had an Old Tyme Prayer Revival with and say "we cool now? Yeah i thought so. I'm not mad but you're never gonna do that again. Ok, good talk."

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LOL Yep

[@saranorman2800]

Greetings from England that was fab video hit nail on the head. Have you ever looked at videos of your fellow countryman Rick Gore has site called Think like a horse hes on your page says bad horses aren't born they're made by bad handling. Look forward to the next one 😊

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@МаринаМарина-ф8м2з]

Стоят слушают, ушками шевелят, милота!

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@Mr.StarryBreeze]

I like a lot of what you've said and I understand the need for respect. I just don't like referring to them as dog food or taking them to auction for such a thing, especially when it's been the humans who screwed them over in the first place. I believe in sanctuaries. I believe in caring for older horses and not "retiring" them early. I believe in mutual respect.

[@downthetraillogging]

Cool

[@anng.4542]

Don't know if I agree that only meaner treatment will correct bad behavior. Sometimes it's just a patient owner/handler who can reinforce the right behavior and who the horses respect.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@munkyjammin]

Being the emotionally stable, observant , protective pack / herd leader. Setting boundaries for everyone's welfare & " parenting." Not being an emotionally needy dependent human. Great for children, teens, horse, dogs & most animals. This builds deep trust & security. Humans forget that we transmit our emotional state , pheromones, body language, heart rate etc into our immediate vicinity. Calm yourself , stabilise yourself before you engage with children, teens, horses & the animals you love & work with. Choose HOW you react. Don't react mindlessly. Your videos are a pleasure to watch. Sharing them with the kids makes for some good discussions.

[@downthetraillogging]

Wow Thank you

[@Lori737]

Gorgeous horses ! Love them thanks Lori from s Carolina

[@downthetraillogging]

You are so welcome!

[@joanneweislocher8540]

Yes, you are so right👍🏻 I’ve had horses and always had dogs. Dogs and horses (and any animal) can always read your body language!❤️

[@downthetraillogging]

Exactly

[@lydialydia7933]

This may very well apply to children as well.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yes

[@MurakamiTenshi]

How to tell when someone completely misses the point of the video: read the above comment. What he did was a last resort from a (at the time) very disrespectful horse about to bite him.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@SalymSkyeSpellwyck No ma'am you're wrong you read something between two people with common sense And twisted the meaning and the point. Neither wish you understand maybe some other channel can help you

[@downthetraillogging]

@@SalymSkyeSpellwyck Well you don't understand what we mean and twisted it to beating kid sick. You may need some help

[@leighannebrown-pedersen7536]

I know nothing… I had a friend who was teaching me that you should never be harder on a horse then they are to each other. That taught me a ton! 😳

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Cool

[@miarobv]

I totally hate that when people break into my personal space.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yep Thank you

[@RutaKlimas-fr4ox]

He is so beautiful please be kind to them.

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Ok

[@klauskarbaumer6302]

Empathy, understanding, patience, also proper rewards paired with firmness are the path to the horse. Physical punishment has to be used very sparingly, it can have the opposite effect of what is intended. One has to avoid in any case that one acts in anger and loses self-control. I like your approach. I'm in my 62nd year of having and working with horses and have come to the conclusion if a horse misbehaves it usually has been mistreated in some way and acts out of fear.

[@downthetraillogging]

yes

[@Ribberflavenous]

I have never worked with horses, but I have done a fair amount of work with Danes and Dobermans. People who have not trained an animal that can overpower you don't understand that you have to straddle the species fence and communicate the way they have been programmed to understand. Physical correction is called for sometimes, "Dr Spock" animal trainers and pearl clutchers will likely give you flak over it. Where I think the line is when the correction is done in anger or is meant to create fear (respect is not fear). The only fault I would venture is that you didn't expound on more detail of your day-to-day consistent dealings with them. Unless the horses are different than the dogs I have worked with (I can't speak to pack v. herd mentality), once the boundaries/hierarchy gets established, the positive reinforcement and mutual respect gets the best response. I get the sense that is the case with your situation as all your interactions I have seen show no flinching, just gentle touches they accept and I hear the praises in your voice on other videos. Brave of you to speak openly of what many would not consider acceptable. Mainly commenting to boost the algorithm - so many others with much greater credibility than I already posted. Kudos man.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you Take care

[@katherinebonkowski8925]

Horses are hurd social animal. One stud rules the group, horses are not people. You cant spank them.😂 I'm happy your educated and wish to correct people.❤

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@Eternal444Htz]

Oh yea -they know where they’re stepping. 😅 I figured that out w/my experience too. It’s like passive aggressive behavior . “What happen ?” w/a poker face. I’m just an animal playing dumb. 😁

[@downthetraillogging]

Yep 100

[@karenashton5053]

I worked with horses at Texas AM and saw studs hurt people because he had bad habits and they let him. Then some of our studs were delightful! After working with mares doing research some were great others had bad habits and bad nature.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yep

[@carolennis7720]

Yes how many horses have suffered the consequences of people on this planet incorrect handling leading to there sad demise

[@downthetraillogging]

True

[@suellenspencer-eb2nv]

Love you explanations Thank you❤❤❤

[@downthetraillogging]

You are so welcome!

[@TammySaj-zm6kr]

Exactly personal space is very important 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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Thank you

[@cree_VI]

Pony tales saved bunch of huge drafts and biggest problem with them, they don't let to touch their legs and farrier can't to work. Can't imagine how they were treated, that they become so mad.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@shayekisitu]

What are you doing? 🤪 Whatever 🤪😝😆 That made me laugh for some strange reason. 😂

[@sookie.smooth]

This was very insightful, and I’d love to hear more stories about your relationship with horses and horse behavior. Like what happened to get your tooth knocked out?

[@downthetraillogging]

Well LOL Thank you

[@windturbinesyndrome1067]

Good points. Most people do not understand animals let alone pets and they do not listrn to their animals. They are too busy on their phone yanking the dog along who is totally confused and just wants to sniff that bush or area for scents. I didnt become good with horses til i had been riding for years. My friend wont put up with kicking in the barn.

[@downthetraillogging]

True Thank you

[@lynnmadden10128]

I love you and your sweet horses and their love for you Where you were in danger and could be very seriously hurt . Actually saw a video where a man was killed 😮 And I understand the danger of a horse attacking you . I have thought long and hard about asking you about this incident However I am so scared and cannot get it out of my mind how you punished with the axe handle and how you punished him .. I know they cannot have you being less than a leader and head of the herd After saying that I totally love watching you

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you very much

[@Stacey0909]

Excellent video!!! 🎉💕

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@DH-gk8vh]

I've always loved horses but never had the opportunity to own one. I'm a complete novice who has only ridden a few times in my life. When I was very young, around 9 or 10, my family was visiting family in Tennessee. We saw cousins I had never met. They had two horses out. One coming back from a ride with a rock lodged in his hoof. She had to walk him back to the barn. The other horse was with my other cousin she had just brought out of the barn named D.R. I got excited and asked to see the horse. D.R. seemed very friendly and watched me as I walked up to him. I weighed maybe 80 lbs as a little girl. I started rubbing his nose and talking to him, and he stepped on my toes. I was wearing gym shoes. He took one hoof and gently put it on my toes with no pressure. I tried to pull my foot away and pressed harder. I tried again, and he applied more pressure. My cousin backed him up, and he had to step off my foot. I wasn't injured but am very confused. Was this aggressive? My cousin went on about how she thought he liked me. After watching this video, I don't know what to think now.

[@Cynthia-s4h]

So true...many people don't realise the space bubble respect body language

[@downthetraillogging]

Very true

[@LorettaClouse-n5q]

This is so True! ❤❤❤❤

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@Theresa12912]

Great explanation thank you.

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Thank you

[@autumn7157]

As I heard it, since horses are prey species, the hierarchy is important because they’re establishing who can protect them. The leader is the one that’s going to take care of watching out for the herd so the rest of them can eat and sleep and live in peace.

[@downthetraillogging]

True Thank you

[@neonnavajo]

Have you ever heard of Buck Brannaman? He’s a horse trainer mostly for cutting horses, but his whole approach revolves around getting the horse to understand that you control its feet - which obviously has a great connection to draft horses. He’s got an amazing life story, there’s a movie about him called Buck, worth watching for anyone that works with horses. The movie the horse whisperer was in part about him.

[@downthetraillogging]

No sir I hadn't heard of him. Thanks for the suggestion. Sounds really good

[@woodsgremlin9995]

​@@downthetrailloggingThe movie "Buck" is a must watch.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@woodsgremlin9995 Yes sir

[@HerbMoore3]

​@@downthetrailloggingBuck learned a lot from Ray Hunt and Tom & Bill Dorrance, you may have heard of them guys.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@HerbMoore3 no sir

[@Thoughtworld1984]

Well said.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@beaustorey2906]

I had an arabian mare chase me around backwards trying kick me to pieces pissing and squealing I ended up fighting her off with a pitchfork then I got on another horse and tuned her up and she was my best friend in a day

[@downthetraillogging]

Yep Thank you

[@maurisodio9978]

a happy horse/dog is the one who knows who’s boss.

[@stevenrafters7817]

You are exactly right man

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Thanks

[@cherylmillard2067]

OMG the same thing is happening in the dog training industry with these "positive only" trainers. They're responsible for many a dog's behavioral euthanasia.

[@downthetraillogging]

It's pretty sad

[@ronnietucker4943]

You are so right.keep a hickory pole handy in case you need to reach out and touch one.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@ronnietucker4943 Yep

[@SamDoe-zn3tu]

Anything you do when you are around a horse, good or bad, you taught them something. Most people don't know the difference.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@SamDoe-zn3tu Yes sir

[@xScooterAZx]

You seem to have an impersonal relationship with those two horses. I see no happiness or warmth left in them.

[@downthetraillogging]

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[@Selahsrefuge]

Did you have these horses from the time they are small? What are your views on gentling?

[@downthetraillogging]

Thay were 2. I never have gentling

[@mattking438]

John just trying to wind up some woman with that video title lol

[@downthetraillogging]

LOL

[@elizabethcobb3316]

Watch it, guys😠

[@downthetraillogging]

@@elizabethcobb3316 OK

[@HerbMoore3]

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[@livin_life_321]

I wish I had known someone like John 30 years ago. What a blessing to work with these amazing animals. By the way, I just found his channel this morning and subscribed after watching one video.

[@gustigaller3315]

For how long do you own them and work with them? To me, it looks like for years! How old are they ?

[@downthetraillogging]

6 Thank you

[@GingerNinja1]

You should re-upload this again, once you've reached approx 10k followers bc this is such a great educational video & deserves so many more views (it will earn them in time.) Everyone trains differently & mostly for good reason. I'm a huge animal lover, even spent yrs rescuing, but I'm intelligent enough to know that teaching boundaries & respect to animals is critical bc safety is ALWAYS first. L & like you said, the quality of their life & also the longevity bc if they don't work out, they'll be moving on to someone else who probably won't provide the same quality of care. I could tell a lot about you just from watching the very first YT short bc of how well trained your horses are. Keep up the great work.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you. Appreciate that and so true.

[@downthetraillogging]

Glad your here Thanks

[@vilmasmith3922]

Hi, I've watched your channel from the beginning and I absolutely love watching it. This is definitely not a criticism more of a curiosity but I noticed you don't put bedding down in the horses boxes and wondered why. By the way your humour is very dry and funny.

[@downthetraillogging]

They're only there twice a day for feeding Thanks

[@albatross8361]

Interesting video. I know very little about horses except that they can be dangerous at both ends, and need to be handled by people who, whether by nature or nurture, have the instincts and skills to do so.

[@downthetraillogging]

Thanks

[@albatross8361]

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[@GETLandParkClydesdales-nd4pc]

The number of people with animals whether it be dogs, cats or even ferrets who do not understand animal behaviour is scary. And it gets magnified the larger the animal gets. The number of people with dangerous animals that they are unaware of is ridiculous. And I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with your “rescue” philosophy. That’s not “rescuing” that’s collecting and living off the donations of the gullible. As harsh as it is, not every horse is capable of rehabilitation. We sold a horse that my father had directly to the doggers, that horse had learnt every dangerous trick in the book. It had already broken his collarbone sucking back while in a canter. He waited till I came home, and he watched that horse from the ground with me in the saddle and it opened his eyes she was beyond saving. Every movement she made was a step towards setting the rider up to be dumped. And when she couldn’t unseat me she resorted in trying to go down and roll. And having a paddock ornament is not something we’re interested in. And she was not going to make a broodmare as temperament is a trait I believe can be bred for and she did not have a pleasant temperament. New to your Chanel, great vids so far.

[@downthetraillogging]

I really appreciate this comment. It's all very true and very dangerous.

[@2BestPonies]

Temperament is absolutely an inheritable trait. Too many people give no thought to what they are breeding into a horse. Too often, it's "well, the horse is too lame/mean/crazy to ride; let's use it for breeding." DUH!!!! And don't get me started on dogs! I work one day a week at a vet hospital/kennel. Hardly any dog--big dogs, too!--come in that have been taught any basic manners! How somebody can have a 100 lb dog and let it jump and pull on everyone is beyond me. No understanding of animal behavior, apparently.

[@downthetraillogging]

@@2BestPonies Yep

[@Cynthia-h5i]

Years ago i bought a rodeo horse that was trained for barrel racing and other events. It was my first time owning a horse and i didn't even know how to ride. As a kid i grew up on military bases. My horse would like to scratch his head on my blue jeans. I was wondering if this is showing dominant behavior or affection? I took it as friendly behavior. But not sure, because i had no experience with horses.

[@patriciareese4261]

Question. What do you do when they reach the age of retirement?

[@downthetraillogging]

I made a video to answer this question 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6vCdKqPjs-thNksi=tTH9vVuyVYjeupAc

[@robertnewton3582]

Great explanation but they do know words. We have many teams that drive without lines. They came from the Amish and word commands like GEE, Ha, Whoa, Go. stand over ETC. so you are mainly correct but not completely.

[@downthetraillogging]

We have to teach them words not body language

[@blackberries1437]

Thanks!

[@downthetraillogging]

Thank you

[@zachariahbeley3305]

I’ve never been around horses, always cattle both the dairy and beef. I want horses but not sure where to start. Where would or should I start

[@downthetraillogging]

This reply was too long to type out so I did a video response. Hope you are able to get that start in horses you want 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGjHoKWQm86VeZYsi=D1_p35jeTsemwCrn

[@zachariahbeley3305]

@ truly appreciate that. The horses I am around are Amish. Had an opportunity recently to purchase a 18 old Belgian. Figured I’d better hold out as long as possible to make sure I truly want this.

[@bo-xk9ki]

Are all of your work horses geldings? If so, why no mares? Also, How do you rotate the teams?

[@downthetraillogging]

They're currently all geldings. There's nothing wrong with mares. Some say they are tougher than geldings. There are a lot of variables that goes into rotation.

[@bo-xk9ki]

@@downthetraillogging Thanks! I supposed a better way for me to ask about rotation was do you allow them one day or more between work days?

[@downthetraillogging]

@@bo-xk9ki it really depends. Sometimes they get several days off in a row, other times they have short/light work days in a row, and other times they do work days in a row then rest days. Paying close attention to weather conditions and its impact on them, determines a lot. They are also assessed daily and decisions made about what they need based out of that. Like I said, a lot of variables. There's no firm formula for it.

[@bo-xk9ki]

​@@downthetraillogging thanks so much! Love learning about your boys. They seem very content in their lives.

[@firecaptaintom]

So many parallels to todays society problems.

[@downthetraillogging]

Yes sir

[@HerbMoore3]

🎯💯

[@crystalsmart6744]

You gotta be just as rough with them as the lead horse in the heard would be

[@downthetraillogging]

Better for everybody you’re the leader thanks. Take care.