I tried 5 Firebase alternatives

[@Fireship]

If you wanna go beyond the basics, I’ll be spitting more fire on my new channel kzbin.info/door/2Xd-TjJByJyK2w1zNwY0zQ

[@JasonJA88]

Pocketbase

[@greendsnow]

strapi?

[@ThePowerRanger]

Subbed

[@Khari99]

I found Dgraph from using your channel and prefer it over all of these options.

[@shateq]

🔥

[@stefnirk]

Supabase is open source, can be self-hosted, and connected to an in-house Postgres database; this is a massive benefit if you want to make a commercial product.

[@minnow1337]

Just use firebase emulators in production 🥴

[@sanesanyo]

Isn't the whole reason of using BAAS is that you don't have to self host?? Doesn't it defeat the purpose?

[@magicbinbin]

@@sanesanyo it's great for prototyping, but Firebase becomes super expensive at scale. With Supabase, when you scale you can self host for lower costs

[@stefnirk]

@@sanesanyo No, in my professional experience, one of the main reasons to go for BAAS is the layer between the database and the app. Hosting a DB is quite simple, the problem comes with authentication and ease of query writing for developers.

[@s3rverlord]

Supabase is fake. They promote themselves as open source but always only promote their paid service. Their documentation and even the videos they make only always mention the service and never the self hosting option. Plus their self hosted app is unsecure. Doesn't even offer a login page to authenticate and sign in.

[@wholesome8691]

"All about that Bass, 'bout that Bass, about that FireBass, NoSQL" - Fireship 2022

[@AnassSanba-f5d]

??

[@arvidd]

@@AnassSanba-f5d😂

[@galaxies_dev]

Been using Supabase for quite some time and love it - but it’s a great overview about all options out there. What a time to be a developer 🙌

[@tamla9875]

have you ever used it for commercial use?

[@bambanx]

you still recommend supabase? i am researching, if yes , do you use cloud or self host? thanks you

[@naxaes7889]

Am currently making my own alternative right now! It's written in C with the performance of Python and can host up to a two-digit number of people. It has a guaranteed uptime of 59.9999999999% (yep, that's 11 9's) and supports a large subset of both HTTP 1.1 and JSON. It's also monolithic, so it can be easily upgraded by buying better hardware, and you have LTS support as long as people are volunteering in the open-source community. Once it's done I'm thinking of releasing it for free, but with the option of a paid subscription if you want it to work. So stay tuned, and am looking forward to seeing it on a video in the near future!

[@ashron4472]

Just let us know your github link. I will stay tuned for more information about it

[@naxaes7889]

@@StretchyDeath Awesome! Just make sure to write "It doesn't work" because that's not always clear from context. You can omit the rest of the problem description; people will figure it out.

[@naxaes7889]

@@ashron4472 It's currently hosted on Google Drive actually. But I will post a link when it's in open beta! That'll hopefully be within a month (or maybe sooner) depending on when we get our first successful compilation.

[@ovidiusm7710]

@@TheMR-777 you have a hard time understanding jokes, don't you?

[@naxaes7889]

@@TheMR-777 No, that's incorrect. Don't always believe the dogma perpetrated by educational media, universities, and peer-reviewed papers. I've written HUNDREDS of programs in C, and my colleague's Python programs have beaten them all. So it's easy to disprove that assertion with simple statistics.

[@embedyt]

I've used Appwrite for a tiny project and it was actually really nice to use. I definitely recommend it (and might even use it more when their cloud releases)

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

​@vincentge1334 Add support for postgres.

[@bambanx]

Still recommend appwrite?

[@iamtheV0RTEX]

"I'm not some apex alpha giga chad building my own backend in Rust just to serve 5 MAUs". I somehow feel both validated and attacked by this comment.

[@yanndonazzolo7944]

Great video (as always)! About Amplify, there is a massive advantage because you can define all your infrastructure directly in your codebase without touching a dashboard. So you can duplicate it easily for several environments with great cicd integration which makes it the only one in the list I feel confortable using in prod

[@Wezy557]

I agree with u 💯

[@owenwexler7214]

You've inspired me to seriously consider using a BaaS after having built and maintained a few backends the old school way. Lots of research, testing, and prototyping in my future.

[@poorpotato4467]

I watch most youtube videos on my 2nd monitor while I'm doing something else, but your videos are so dense and well put together that I have to sit and pay attention to all the little details and memes that you pack into every second. Great content!

[@aarond309]

I’ve used Parse because I couldn’t use Firebase, it works extremely well and is relatively easy for even a novice programmer like myself to use

[@AkshaySood1]

Used it! Works wonderfully:)

[@nullset2]

Parse is really good too

[@KN-sc4up]

Parse is great, but it's now a bit outdated and lacks development, which is a shame.

[@wildappsdev]

Parse is still around? I was really annoyed when Facebook killed it. I know it's open source but you know what I mean.

NHost is an incredible time saver for me. It's build on open-source tools and has very generous free tier. It's also very performant. I have 100M+ rows in a table and still get sub 150ms responses on Frontend. (I'm not affiliated in any way, just love the product).

[@coreyclemente2526]

I very recently learned about "Serverless Cloud" from serverless. Still playing around with it, but I'm loving it so far. Built on top of AWS, with wrappers for DynamoDB, S3, APIs, etc.

[@MrIMacro]

For beginner Android developers, I think Firebase is a good choice because you can connect your project with only one click and have everything ready for you, but it should be only used for things like authentication, sign in and real time database, but storage and bandwidth are very limited in the free plan.

[@lilit3552]

Thank you so much. It has been a pain in the ass as a beginner android dev trying to find a ways to connect database to android. Firebase defenetly seems to be the best choice

[@nodirbekvositov]

Appwrite improved a lot after this video, I have finished a project with it

[@sakkarinsawad548]

Honestly once explained it's fairly intuitive. Thank you for breaking it down so nicely for us newbies! Can't wait to play with the full version

[@lucas.marianno]

I don't need firebase. I use an excel spreadsheet in my server as database, vba for backend functions, txt files to store user sensitive information and g drive to store assets.

[@User948Z7Z-w7n]

This is the way. I use git as database

[@imbenzenker]

OMG I can't believe Parse is back!! I remember being in love with that service

[@wildappsdev]

Parse is back?

[@briansunbury]

I tried amplify recently and it looked really good when I was getting started but was missing some basic functionality that a lot of other people seemed to be looking for as well. I'd recommend everyone to play with all the suggestions in order to learn what each one has and what works well and what doesn't.

[@Weagle1337]

Working on teams with the amplify backend and git it's terrible

[@lillobyte91]

hey Brian, what kind of basic features were missing? I've dig into all the BaaS solutions and the most complete for me was Amplify. Just curious

[@ZiPMo85]

@@lillobyte91 same, also curious....

[@everyhandletaken]

You just described every AWS service offering 😆

[@drupi.0]

Currently self-hosting appwrite and I love it. I'm using it on a community project right now and it just works perfectly.

[@lophixarts]

Do you Host it on a Server or at Home?

[@drupi.0]

@@lophixarts at home using CloudFlare's tunnel

[@rey6253]

I really love the sense of humor + memes you put in the videos, hence they are funny yet very informative at the same time :)

[@AbhinavKulshreshtha]

I love supabase. I have a self hosted version of it for my own projects. I recently started testing appwrite too and it is also something I would recommend to others.

[@ThanHtutZaw3]

what is self hosted exactly ? what is difference

[@ashron4472]

@@ThanHtutZaw3 you host the platform on your machine/cloud machine instead of using theirs

[@greendsnow]

It has scalability issues

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

Appwrite seems to be lacking compared to even parse server. Supabase is all right though

[@sorianojohnclarencel.2081]

Would love it if you continue this series...the best thing i ever saw on KZbin❤️

[@BenniK88]

I’m trying super base since three weeks because I want to switch from firebase. And I have to say the community and service is very great! It’s definitely a learning curve and challenge to adapt to Postgres but seems like it’s worth it!

[@techjandro]

Same here, I like firebase from a long time now but Supabase is just amazing, I’m just moving there for now and it requires some work but the trade off is worthy

[@hi9313]

Why

[@welly_de]

in pricing with big collection of data and access, which one is better...? firebase or supabase?

[@PezhvakIMV]

watch out for self-hosting if you ever plan to use it, it's not what you might think it is

[@otakusong66]

IT WORKED, THANKS I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOREVER, BUT NO TUTORIAL COULD EXPLAIN IT AS YOU DID

[@ymi_yugy3133]

I used a combination of Firebase and Vercel in my latest project and am quite happy with it. Firebase for auth and database, vercel for hosting and functions. I originally wanted to put everything on Firebase but annoyingly functions require the paid plan and there is no easy way to put a hard cap on spending. I looked at a bunch of firebase alternatives, but their free tiers aren't as generous as that of Firebase.

[@ThanHtutZaw3]

usage of function and why they need

[@hi9313]

Can’t you set a spend limit on fb functions??

[@ymi_yugy3133]

@@hi9313 Not easily. Firebase allows you to have billing notifications, but if you miss them or aren't fast enough you are screwed. What you can do is write a cloud function that listens to GCP budget events and disable billing. But setting this up isn't trivial for someone who is unfamiliar with GCP. You need to mess with various IAM permissions and because Google likes to switch things up from time to time, I don't trust that it will keep working.

[@ThanHtutZaw3]

@@ymi_yugy3133 how can I limit for testing purposes. I don't want to pay for testing.

[@ymi_yugy3133]

@@ThanHtutZaw3 You can obviously stay with the free plan, but all "testing" you do counts towards your free limits and you can't use paid features like functions (pretty crucial imho). If you go with the paid plan, you have to pay for everything you use, even if it's just for testing.

[@4poorv]

I really enjoy watching your videos and appreciate the way you present information in a fast-paced and to-the-point manner. For the past week, I've been binge-watching all of Fireship. I'm seeking out something which gets me up to speed on creating my first simple photo editor website. Could you please create an end-to-end guide that shows the fastest way for a noob web developer (who is not a programming noob) to create an awesome UI website? Designing is not my thing so I was looking for pre-designed templates to avoid the CSS hell. Thank you for what you do. ✌

[@JuswanthTeeb]

Am I really listening at 1x speed? 🤔

[@yashfu]

No

[@LiveLifeForReal]

Yes

[@EVERYTHING-fw8wx]

No

[@EVERYTHING-fw8wx]

Yes

[@WalterMan]

No

[@justine_chang39]

it seems to me that Firebase would be absolutely PERFECT if it had the following features for Firestore... 1. Full text search 2. Ability to know the number of documents in a collection without reading everything 3. A GraphQL API 4. Also maybe protected fields in a document? (only accessible by users with certain permissions)

[@1LukasThe1st]

The last point sounds like it should be possible with the firebase security rules right?

[@erickheredia8910]

1. Supabase (Postgres) has Full text search. 4. You can use RLS with Supabase.

[@varandpezeshkian6299]

I dont know why fb is not adding full text search to the default box? it's hight time

[@justine_chang39]

@@1LukasThe1st specific field? I don't think so. It can be done for specific documents though, so I guess it could be done if we structured the it a certain way

[@1LukasThe1st]

@@justine_chang39 I don’t remember exactly been a while since I used fb 😅

[@nickstrands]

Jeezus lmao ... the first 5 seconds got me spitting my water all over my screen. Good one Jeff !

[@mr_clean575]

I feel like there's been quite some updates with these tools. I'd love to see another video on BaaS

[@alichamas63]

Hands down the best developer content on the web. Jeff is a man.

[@magicbinbin]

Great video, just I think you missed an important aspect of Supabase: unlike Firebase, you can actually self-host your own Supabase instance, if you need

[@magicbinbin]

@Ioan Croitor Not sure, I've never tried it myself yet! But I love having the possibility to do so. Always felt kinda trapped with Firebase

[@poolkrooni]

@@magicbinbin thing is if you're really using Supabase heavily then you might discover that self-hostig is actually not an option, since you'd have to reimplement a ton of stuff yourself.

[@AliciaGuitar]

With fb emulators being released i think self-hosting is not far behind... however i personally would never host my own production server.

[@boredguy1663]

That is the problem. People who use these most of the time don't want to build or deploy there own backend databases. They need simpler solutions and when your application scales you feel the need to change the database. So nobody uses them anymore.

[@heroe1486]

@@AliciaGuitar But tons of people would for multiple reasons, or at least appreciate the possibility to do so, it seems like self hosting has become taboo in the JS community while it was just the norm few times ago

[@johnvandenberg1448]

You're on a roll with pumping out new visa, love it!

[@toothless.tarantula]

Appwrite have a lot of potential indeed.

[@dricera]

One of the most fire (bass) intros ever

[@olegnikitindev]

You are doing great! Amazing format and huge amount of information! Thank you for your videos

[@raymondmichael4987]

Sure, mongodb realm is my go to these days, when you pass the settings and schemas it's a done deal, very powerful and you can literally add few to none additional settings to go production

[@jlu]

Used MongoDB Realm to create a graphql api from my existing data, pretty damn easy 🤯

[@agamjotsingh7371]

Please upload a video on heroku alternatives too. Thanks Jeff

[@Eckster]

Dokku is my favorite

[@angelhdzdev]

Search for Traversy Media, he made a vid 1 day ago.

[@agamjotsingh7371]

@@angelhdzdev Thanku

[@agamjotsingh7371]

@@Eckster never heard of it, would search it up.

[@sage_gamers]

Please make video on your journey as a developer and the ups-downs you faced. btw love watching your video and it inspires a lot 👍🏻

[@Lucas-hn8hf]

Great Video, exactly what i've been thinking about / looking into a lot recently, but didn't find any clear information!

[@titusfx]

Supabase can be self-hosted with the magic words "docker-compose up". There's also pocketbase. In any case thanks for ur videos ✌

[@samnayakawadi]

It feels amazing watching your videos. Request you to create a video on how you research, go through these websites, lots of learning & then making videos. ❤️ Just create the video.

[@s3rverlord]

Pocketbase should have been mentioned here. It is amazing!!

[@jasonmucio6067]

I love your videos, man. Smart, informative and just hella funny. 😂

[@TimmySullivanlol]

the fact that this video was posted literally a few hours after i decided on using fire base for my web app is insane. kinda feeling buyers remorse?

[@whoamitalkingto9593]

So it looks like the best option depends on the type of database you want. Firebase for nosql and supabase for sql.

[@MultiZ100]

Some basic database operations are very obtuse with Firestore. For example, it’s impossible to get count of documents in a collection without reading everything in that collection. Also chaining AND and OR queries is awkward. And of course, it doesn’t offer full text search.

[@okie9025]

@@MultiZ100 also a HUGE HUGE problem is that you can't use any type of filtering based on reference objects (i.e. foreign keys) this is mostly a problem with NoSQL databases but basically it means any kind of deeply nested filtering is impossible without fetching every single document in a collection

[@kgrez96]

WHO IS HE TALKING TO? LULE

[@John-qt6qk]

I'll stick to Firebase they will get better in a short future

[@abuDA-bt6ei]

@@John-qt6qkare they better yet?

[@ElPolemista]

I became addicted to this channel.

[@dickeyy]

developing the backend is my favorite part of making an app. i used to use firebase but then i found that when i develop my own api and everything then i feel i have a lot more freedom with everything

[@MrTalon63]

Same here. Started new project and wanted to try supabase but it is very strict about user tables and would require creating additional tables which is just tiring compared to creating tailored backend

[@rojaachan]

What backend language do you use?

[@sterinsaji4513]

0:37 Hence proved this guy is one year ahead of all of us 😂.

[@mavdotjs]

I prefer an SQL database so i like supabase, but one thing I don't like about using supabase is when using the no-code table editor, i can't add "on delete cascade" without writing weird sql

[@jonjojr]

Supabase is flexible. Postgres, Graphql, Authentication, API, RLS, Functions, Storage buckets. The full pakcage to get started with a free tier.

[@imraninfrarote]

0:14 Idk why but that pierced through my soul

[@torkoff]

Great reviews and comparisons. Thank you mate! I'll give supabase a try

[@phywem]

This is the best intro i've ever heard 🔥

[@wendelyndike8721]

Brooo 😂😂 Your videos are just the best. 1 minute in and I’m already wheezing 😂😂 This is CONTENT!!! Thanks man 👏🤝

[@wendelyndike8721]

Scratch that, I meant 10 seconds in 😂😂

[@danvilela]

New fireship channel? Broo Im IN!

[@juanvelezlopez]

That intro was absolute 🔥🐟

[@dkin860]

It's worth mentioning that, as far as I know, MongoDB + Realm Sync is the only OFFLINE-FIRST solution in this list, you can view Realm databases like you would a SQLite database, and the mobile dev experience of working with Realm is just far better than anything else IMO in terms of speed and the whole zero-copy architecture is awesome. You don't have to copy SQLite query results into memory and pass them around etc.. you just get live results from the local db that you can bind to that are kept in sync with atlas when you have connectivity. I'm not sure about Firebase or the others, but these are huge factors for mobile devs that felt a bit glazed over (I know.. it's a rapid fire review video but just sayin).

[@DionV]

Interesting. Thanks for posting this. Gonna have to have a look.

[@adityadubey4578]

I want to take a moment to thank you for the humongous efforts you put in to help us developers out, seriously, thank you :))) 🙏

[@minocs]

Jeff you seriously make my life as a developer amazing 🙏

Parse Server is self hosted but fun to work with in the JS realm

[@wujekjerry1188]

The only way to upgrade the meme level of this video would be to play a funky bassline when you said imma talk about firebase first to give you a baseline (bassline). Honestly these are too good.

[@anandhukraju9382]

I think people are sleeping on nhost. In my personal experience, their queries run a lot faster. You can connect your project to git and have cicd setup fairly easily as well. Their storage comes with cdn plus they ship a lot of new cool features really quick every month. Hasura is also really matured and since it is built on top of Hasura, that is another plus.

[@ashron4472]

what's your opinion when it comes mature between those BAAS?

[@anandhukraju9382]

@@ashron4472 If you are asking what I've liked the most working with out of these, It'll be firebase and supabase. Nhost, I do run into some errors rarely cause it is still in beta. I do see myself using nhost a lot sooner or later. Not sure about appwrite and realm. Can't speak for stuffs that I haven't tried.

[@ScriptureFirst]

Telling me how you'll "see me in the next one..." Just exacerbates my surveillance paranoia. Thanks a lot buddy.

[@djdelinquent]

your puns give life into my lungs in a world where it feels like i’m always suffocating

[@juke-duke]

Can you make a video on the concepts of SPAs, SSR, Hydration, Islands Design and such, it would be really informative! Thanks

[@tekfoonlim4745]

Damn!! I'm so early!! 20s ago just!! Hello Jeff, I love your videos especially the code reports and the 100s videos! I hope to learn more from your channel :D

[@giovannicrisalfi3189]

Want to be the Rust backend guy: suggestions? I was reading about Seeds lately and I love how they picked the many good parts of Elm, but this is all about front-end. How should I manage the users' authentication?

[@satyak1337]

Hasura and its row level data security is simple and easy to understand. I think Supabase its trying to implement similar feature.

[@turesoul]

Scylla has a dynamodb compatible API that helps a lot with migration of app logic, the data is not so hard to migrate also.

[@ComisarioLobo]

Hi, thanks for the video. It would be awesome if you create an up to date version of this video. Ideally, with a focus on end to end type safety

[@terrencemashego4058]

killer intro 🤣. I love this channel

[@dhess34]

Glanced at this and thought it was ‘I Tried 5 Fireship Alternatives’. Which would be a tough video to make since I can’t think of a single channel that generates the same type of quality content that you do…

[@pesterenan]

Could you talk more about Azure and its services? Like CosmosDB? I'm migrating a project from Firebase services to Azure and man, there is so much documentation to read! Help pls! hahaha

[@ahmedtariqtaimoor]

BROTHER, YOU ARE THE BEST!!! You oooh really helped me!! THANK YOU VERY

[@dcngn_]

These videos always give off the impression that I could just choose whatever I like, but do many developers have that freedom? I haven't worked in software development yet, I have no clue.

[@daydrivver2074]

Just recently lost my job... And your videos have been god sent to get on track would there ever be a discount on your platform? Kinda short on money and leave outside us (México) but definitely would pay for your content

[@lolous-studio]

BEST INTRO EVER

[@johnshanahan2884]

Great video, but you forgot to add a video chapter for the supabase section btw

[@_teker]

You just made my write an entire parody of all about that bass, all about that base

[@angies2892]

I appreciate gamedev being a part of the conversation

[@Dango428]

0:38 This man is living in the future

[@markeem321]

Gosh, u cracked my mind. There’s now a endless loop in ma mind ..bout that baas, bout that baas

[@dongums]

I've been waiting for this

[@travis2222]

Have you ever thought about building a backend to replace Firebase? This would be a great course idea as well. Paying Firebase is a real drawback for a business especially at scale.

[@carlospavajeau7179]

Hi , thanks so much for your crack. It really works. But from the beginning it did not work for some reason, I updated visual studio and oh my god it worked. Thank you!

[@warpmonkey]

Great video. Two comments on your audio. - You have cut out gaps between sentences so hard that it sounds like there are two of you talking over each other. - You need a pop filter, when you enunciate a P it hits the mic a bit too hard.

[@pokefreak2112]

I remember when this channel was called angularfirebase :)

[@PlasmaJunkie]

This is one of those immediately out of my league videos.

[@philheathslegalteam]

Supabase is KING while in beta. I freaking LOVE that everything runs inside Postgres. Simple easy SQL to implement advanced security, storage and everything related to data. You can set it up yourself because of the libraries supabase wrote or just self host. Currently there is no BaaS that can compare to the extreme control you have using Supabase.

[@s3rverlord]

Supabase is fake. They promote themselves as open source but always only promote their paid service. Their documentation and even the videos they make only always mention the service and never the self hosting option. Plus their self hosted app is unsecure. Doesn't even offer a login page to authenticate and sign in.

[@Rundik]

Firebase is so widely used on mobile not because it's good, but because it's mandatory if you want notifications on android

[@YuriG03042]

not really, there are notification alternatives but then your are forced to integrate several different techs when firebase handles everything for you with a single tech

[@Rundik]

​@@YuriG03042the only alternative to firebase is to display one notification constantly I think

[@RemotHuman]

You should do a vid for begginer intermediated about the difference between BAAAS and PAASS and which to choose if that's how that works

[@user-ts7of5to4e]

Helpline📲📥⬆️ Questions can come in⬆️

[@HiImKyle]

I love the idea of Supabase ever since you did a video on it, but I can't ever get it to run with the default settings and the fact I can't have multiple projects is unhealthily aggressive for an open source project.

[@kiwiinkansaijapan]

"Our Free tier gives you 2 free projects, but you can have as many paused projects as you want. Just pause and unpause them as needed." - from Supabase's pricing page at the bottom.

[@kevinpeters3940]

Bruh spat out my coffee with the Rust w/ 5 MAU hits to close to home 😂

[@Meleeman011]

you can also use a docker image for supabase as well

[@CSniper]

would be fun if you tried off some of cloudflares stuff, durable objects are pretty cool!

[@bradleyh7457]

Love your videos!

[@Karbust]

I'll just say this, for me, GraphQL isn't worth it IF you have to write the frontend and the backend. For my final project in uni I made an admin dashboard, and since I wanted to learn GraphQL I used it. I'll never use it again unless there's separate devs for frontend and backend, it's a hassle to configure it properly and write all schemas, queries and mutations + all the queries for the frontend. Tools like the ones in the video could be a lot easier, since they generate the GraphQL API from the database automatically. Thanks for the video!

[@nrrgrdn]

Did you try Hasura? or any of the other tools to make a GraphQL API for your SQL backend, e.g. an ORM like Prisma

[@Karbust]

@@nrrgrdn I had a look at postgraphile but had issues setting up user authentication. Prisma wasn't as advanced as it is right now, at the time I used sequelize.

[@lardosian]

Yes I've used Amplify and it generates the graphql queries and mutations from your schema, very handy.

@@Karbust NHost basically solves Hasura + Auth. You can spin up a NextJs project in 3mins. A gamechanger if you like to move fast.