I Tried CHEAP Film Scanners so You Don’t Have to...

[@linusandhiscamera]

RIP to my poor shirt that has a rip in the shoulder that I didn't notice while editing but now cannot unsee 😭😭😭 hope y'all enjoy this video it was honestly such a fun one to put together!!

[@NANCEmusic]

shirt with the rip kinda fire tho 🔥

[@linusandhiscamera]

fr fr@@NANCEmusic

[@devaulrg]

No shame, times are tough for a lot of us right now 🙃

[@mariorruiz]

Wouldn’t have noticed if you don’t tell

[@IvanSanchezDS]

that looks fine to me. in fact, my favorite shirt has 3 holes on it and I don't even mind about that... I don't know why... I just like that shirt.

[@WillemVerb]

Volvo laptop saving the day once again

[@linusandhiscamera]

where's the volvo brand film scanner at

[@Shrek_Has_Covid19]

gas powered V8 film scanner

[@OldMotorcycleAdventures]

My Volvo crying for help when I decide not to fix the dozens of codes and use the laptop for scanning film

[@aliarby]

The Minolta one would be sick to just have in the living room with some rolls next to it, kind of like a record player for film 😄

[@linusandhiscamera]

i showed it to a few friends before i put this video out, they all loved the little live playback screen 😂

[@PetCactusA_HarmlessLittlePrick]

@@linusandhiscamera Try it with Microfilm.

[@fotoralf]

Minolta has left the photo business in 2006. Their camera branch has been taken over by Sony and they haven't made a film scanner ever since. Supposedly, someone has bought the rights to the name to put it on some cheapo stuff.

[@linusandhiscamera]

crazy how many companies do this

[@mz-pv9ki]

I have this scanner because there are no good shops near me for scanners. The company is called magnasonic and it is the most unreliable garbage. It scans kodak films without issue, but any lomo, cinestill, or fuji has serious colour reproduction problems for some reason. Black and white on these is phenomenal however

[@xmeda]

Similar with Yashica - now some junk is being pushed on market with that famous name

[@84hachi]

Elite Brands swooped in and took the Minolta name from Konica Minolta because KM wasn't keeping an eye on their US trademarks. If they actively cared we wouldn't have this or any of the rest of cheap China cams tarnishing the Minolta name.

[@Koolken98]

Them being the same scanner internally is CRAZY lol

[@Francois_L_7933]

Crosley and Innovative Technologies are the same manufacturer. I have a cheap IT model with an LCD screen which I somehow love. I paid 5$ for it about 10 years ago. But the thing is that I don't use it like is intended. I use mine exclusively for for rapidly scanning a roll after I develop it (mine had the rollfilm adapter) and making an index print. When I then see an image I deem worthy of spending time on, I then pop it in the Epson.

[@linusandhiscamera]

ahhh love this! a digital contact sheet in a way

[@allen_snapped]

Yo! Linus... how about a video on your whole scanning process? That would be dope as hell and incredibly useful. We got two scanning videos from you, and we could see a lil bit of how you do it, but not anything in depth. Would really appreciate it. Thanks again for this and seriously, so glad you're back on YT. Peace.

[@parranoic]

A friend gave me an "old pc" that turned out to be a Nikon CoolScan 4000, That thing is amazing

[@FeralGinger]

This was an insanely fun journey! Thanks for taking us on it! Will continue scanning with my X-T4 and Nikon macro lens until an easier/quicker option comes along!

[@linusandhiscamera]

hoping to share a camera scanning video soon!!

[@copdog4609]

I use an old Wolverine F2D. Does great on black and white, and is pretty decent for color. No computer needed, just an SD card. It has a screen on it. Poached it from my parents, it was collecting dust from when I was a kid and they were actually shooting film still. Can scan a whole roll in the time it takes my Epson V37 to do five shots.

[@Max_Mustermann]

I was going to recommend Plustek for a cheap-ish decent quality film scanner, but I see it's mentioned at the end of the video already.

[@absinthedude]

When I got back into developing my own film in 2013 I bought a cheap scanner, probably similar to the two you tried internally. It's basically a back light with a 5MP "camera" focused on the film frame. It was OK for B&W but colour neg and slide film always came out inconsistently and I'd spend a lot of time tweaking the colour afterwards in various different pieces of software that were around at the time. Happily I got an Epson flatbed which is light years ahead of these. On the one hand, the cheap-o-crap models allow someone with no expertise to obtain some images from otherwise forgotten negatives and slides. But no doubt people will think "that's what film looks like".

[@DavidDacaro]

An industry colleague I know has a 1 million dollar scanner which apparently is the best in the history of scanning. There's quite a range of film scanner options it seems, from $5 all the way up to the equivalent cost of a house. That scanner I'm referring to is a one of a kind analog unit in the family of drum scanning machine, and they charge around $1500 per scan/image.

[@linusandhiscamera]

drum scanners are so dope! that would make a very intriguing video topic.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Not many houses at a $1 ;) Then again maybe there is lol

[@g1234538]

You made a more valiant effort for a $5 scanner you bought off ebay than I would have expected anyone to make lol, even the VM not working so you pluck out your friend's odd laptop But now I'm more interested in the Volvo branded laptop???? Comparing the Frontier scan of the car to the Crosley it's shocking how the car looks entirely different when you see the reflections defined! There's just so much more depth there, I wonder why the cheaper scanners mushed it all together The Minolta one was quite nice for $100. Also, it's interesting that they made some very capable professional scanners (like the Multi Pro or the Scan Elite 5400). I've been looking into high end scanning a lot and it was pretty surprising to me that drum scanners can be beat in almost every way by camera scanning setups. With how little movement there is on drum scanners versus cameras and their sensors, it's not surprising. But good setups there can get really crazy, like using a camera with a high pixel density and getting a macro lens that can resolve that much (or more with a higher magnification). Even other ways of assessing film quality have seemed interesting, like use a slide projector with a good lens, or a microscope. There are so many possibilities! i might just have an unhealthy obsession lol Anyway, great video on these scanners!

[@linusandhiscamera]

you make some good points! hoping to put out a new, updated camera scanning video soon.

[@proxcess4946]

Not actually a laptop manufactured by Volvo. It’s a Toshiba that would’ve likely been used by Volvo techs. Probably packed with Volvo diagnostic software that’s specifically for certified Volvo mechanics.

[@patrickjclarke]

For the Plustek with Silverfast, I'd still recommend scanning negs to get the positive as the combo of the built-in film profiles AND the special pass it does to read the rebate color and slight tonal differences per frame and are consistent and high quality. NLP is great for camera scans tho as it's trying to do something similar in software to what the Plustek provides to Silverfast in hardware.

[@linusandhiscamera]

thanks for the advice!

[@TheChosenOne_]

I far prefer using silverfast and NLP. Granted, automatic scratch and dust removal is a cool feature but colors look much better converting with NLP imo. And it gives more control

[@beldron]

These scanners which you have as CROSLEY were sold in Europe under different brands. I have a similar one (only the plastic cover looks different) branded as Rollei DF-S 50 (DiaFilmScanner). Rollei used to be a famous German brand of cameras in old film days but later is was used for selling cheap Asian photo products like cams, scanners... A similar scanner was sold as Tevion TV 6500. Tevion is the technical brand of Aldi, a German discount supermarket.

[@tsbrownie]

So funny when you said your first laptop had Win XP!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MaltandMake]

Super useful video. I don't think I'd buy one of these but it's great to have some context if anyone asks me how to get started scanning. Thanks!

[@KajiRider1997]

I still have my 5 megapixel film scanner. which works good enough for the things I want. But I really would like to upgrade. certainly because I can just barely squeeze a 120 negative in there without damaging it.

[@lindsaydiaz2330]

Serious question, which scanner would you recommend for film photography?

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Even Lidl is now Selling a Negative Scanner with a "High resolution" of 8mp

[@DoubleMonoLR]

If cheap enough, the Crosley might work well as a backlight and film holder (after cutting the top off if can't be disassembled) to photograph with a normal camera.

[@MarcoRoepers]

I bought 10 years ago a cheap scanner. I was disapointed about the colour scans but the scans of black and white film turned out to be a kind of acceptable.

[@linusandhiscamera]

sounds about right!!

[@sjenkin88]

The last one would be kinda good to have around to take a quick glimpse of the film/negs before fully processing them, or before heading to the dark room.

[@linusandhiscamera]

this is what all the homies said when they came by and checked it out 😂😂

[@piercerose8374]

You should try old DSLRS for scanning next! I have my canon 6d that I want to buy a macro lens for and start scanning

[@linusandhiscamera]

working on a camera scanning video right now!

[@BagpiperTomKennedy]

A really well put together video! I'm disappointed that none of the scanners were worth my purchase.

[@SequentialSnep]

Thanks for checking out these scanners, was looking to get one for digitizing my slides but probably gonna skip :)

[@baubau24]

Hey Linus, thanks again for this great video ! Would be amazing to have a comparison between the two famous scanner on the market, your frontier SP3000 and a Noritsu HS-1800

[@KnutBurmeister]

A standalone negative scanner with a little bit of correction software and maybe DNG output seems to be an impossible task, even nowadays.

[@CRS204]

“You’re not gonna believe this, but this hardware also needs software to run.” Yeah drivers have been downloaded for a looong time 😂

[@shrmy]

the first crosley scan was so promising and then it just.... well also the minolta with NLP kinda popped off on the nsx photos ngl

[@linusandhiscamera]

kinda poppppped fr

[@ontime8109]

thank you for this helpful video! I recently was thinking on buying Minolta scanner. Better to save up and get flatbed scanner I think.

[@GroundUpAzPunk]

I have the Crosley scanner you reviewed in your video but mine is branded IT. So most likely Crosley bought the rights to it from Innovative Technologies. I believe My IT Software is for Windows 98 or vista!!

[@orangejjay]

I think you're the best Linus on all of KZbin. Love it! Thanks for suffering for us. ❤❤😂

[@krono996]

Should've also included examples of a Plustek scanner as well, they are pretty amazing for the price

[@linusandhiscamera]

definitely would have liked to! that scanner is $500-600, these were the cheapest i could find

[@krono996]

@@linusandhiscamera Oh wow, I've seen older, used models here go for as little as 50-100 euros

[@Kage_Fur]

My first scanner was a plustek bought it used for 70€. I use a canoscan 9000F II now, because of 120 Film

[@dudhu25]

What do you think of the KODAK Slide N SCAN, is it worth it? I wanted to buy a scan to develop my Kodak h35n films but I didn't want something very expensive. I prefer something more accessible and practical, what do you recommend?

[@guiltyguiltson6067]

i actually just bought one. theyre ok if you arent concerned with seeing much detail and just want the gist. i would keep looking though, i dont really like the scans when compared to even the lowest quality scans my lab offers.

[@_SYDNA_]

Do you know if negative lab pro is any good at catching/cleaning dust specs in a film image? Also, do you know if it's good at removing the shift towards orange that happens in old echtachrome slides.

[@kaminlnw]

This is what I've been waiting for!

[@linusandhiscamera]

hope you enjoy the video!!

[@keithfulkerson]

It would be interesting to see how much empty space is inside that $50 scanner.

[@taz3rgamer247]

as someone who listens to vinyl records, I heard crosley and my expectations dropped immediately.

[@nqxba]

BEB WAKE UP LINUS WEEKLY VID DROPPED

[@linusandhiscamera]

im backkk

[@feraudyh]

I have a Nikon LS8000 film scanner. I stopped using it for a few years and tried it recently. Something was wrong. It needs repair. It was great when it worked. At least I scanned around 20k shots with it

[@toothyweasel2705]

So what you're saying is I shouldn't replace my Nikon Coolscan 9000 with one of these?

[@linusandhiscamera]

keep that coolscan coolin

[@wick801]

Back in the day Crosley made among other things, refrigerators and cars! I am pretty sure the original company no longer exists at least in its original form.

[@kevingallegly7077]

Crosley also made cars if you can believe it!

[@henriquebutcher2574]

Linus, you need set the white balance before you do the conversion on negative lab pro.

[@bynlb]

I still have my old and reliable Epson V300 with SilverFast AI 9, and I've been thinking about getting a better one, but haven't seen much options besides an expensive and used V600.

[@SandfordSmythe]

I have a V 700 and get reasonable scans on 120 black and white vintage medium formats like Zeiss Ikon.Unfortunately, they have been brought out at the antique malls.

[@bynlb]

@@SandfordSmythe in my country my only option is Amazon, and it's around 425usd for a used v600. Too much.

[@SandfordSmythe]

@bynlb I was moving and down-sizing. I was going to give away my ancient V700, but I saw it was still state of the art for such flat beds.

[@bynlb]

​@@SandfordSmythe it is, there are not a lot of good affordable options. I've never seen a nikon or canon scanner in person, only Epson and Pakons, which are not affordable anymore. That's what is making me quit film photography, everything is getting overpriced.

[@LaMenteDeDresiSS]

Why using 1800 DPI instead of 3600 DPI? I don´t know why choosing this option on the software...

[@trojaaann]

I have Minolta dual scan III. It's great stuff, that costs for about 100$

[@adamevans1989]

The Crosley scanner also gets sold by Rollei for way more than 5 bucks, which is just depressing. Just as depressing as the Minolta brand being slaped on total crap cameras and not so great scanners.

[@linusandhiscamera]

wild how many companies are doing this!!

[@toothyweasel2705]

Yeah. My main 35mm is a Dynax 9 which still to this day has amazing performance so to see a name that used to be a top line camera maker like that having its named bought out to apply to garbage products is disappointing.

[@jameslenney]

Given the cost of these scanners normally, it seems the old rule generally applies: if something seems too good to be true, it probably is.

[@wawifpv]

I have a question do you need to develop your 35mm film before scanning it?

[@linusandhiscamera]

yes you do!

[@wawifpv]

Alright,but I’m new to 35mm film photography What are the develpment gear that you use to develop 35mm film? I a really love your content and artistic style 🤌🏾

[@wawifpv]

By chance I let my father buy the $100 scanner that you reviewed,because I want a affordable scanner that is easy to use. I a found that the Quality is manageable to post on my socials. I shot some 35mm film already but now I need to learn how to develop them 😅 I going to follow tutorials I’m super excited to see results!

[@smalldeekgeorge]

Problem with cheap scanners is they have a lot of processing like noise reduction and edge detect, but with very bad algorithm and processing power! Scans would look so much better if you could disable all processing from scan devices!

[@_SYDNA_]

Thanks!

[@BOSTON_MA]

looking into getting a film scanner. dont need anything fancy. images dont need to be perfect. (1) any other recs, thoughts on the Kodak Kodak Digital Film Scanner, Film and Slide Scanner with 5” LCD Screen, Convert Color & B&W Negatives & Slides 35mm, 126, 110 Film to High Resolution 22MP JPEG scanner? (2) Am I able to take the film directly out of the roll when it’s done, then put it into a scanner? Or does it need to be dark when taking the film out?

[@無意味-i3g]

IT NEEDS TO BE DARK! IT WIL RUIN YOUR PHOTOS IF ANY LIGHT AT ALL GETS TO UT BEFORE TREATMENT.

[@BOSTON_MA]

@@無意味-i3g i figured, thanks!

[@MrHauerManuel]

Lovely video! Would you mind sharing the name of that song used in the background? I make videos for a band called ‚Sharktank‘ and it sounds like someone is making instrumental covers and selling them on musicbed…

[@louanabv6864]

What do you think about the kodak one that cost 150$ ?

[@KajiRider1997]

1:48 mine works on a sd card and only uses the usb connection for power.

[@linusandhiscamera]

nice!!

[@brandonvuong9766]

Might be a dumb question but I'm really new to film photography, doesn't exposing negative film to even ambient light damage the image on the film? What am I missing here?

[@Thefuror38500]

The film is sensitive to light, until it is processed (developed). Then it is basicaly just a colored piece of plastic.

[@Ybalrid]

The fact that the innovative technology one displays proudly in front of it that it can scan business cards sounds *extremely japanese* to me

[@benman1577]

I wonder if the lighting for the scans would be better if you weren’t using it sitting next to a bright window?

[@kerc]

Cheap scanners are good for quickly looking at your negatives and deciding what to actually scan decently.

[@linusandhiscamera]

absolutely!!

[@billyspocketlife]

Ah yes look forward to the results

[@linusandhiscamera]

ayeee live commenting

[@billyspocketlife]

@@linusandhiscamera love the test shot you chose

[@linusandhiscamera]

thank you dude!! @@billyspocketlife

[@slothsarecool]

I still find camera scanning kinda underwhelming, compared to the Plustek 120 Pro which has super nice micro contrast, I couldn’t get similar with a 100mp digital camera, still looks nice but not the same

[@linusandhiscamera]

i hear you! going to be doing some more experiments with camera scanning soon - in my experience i can't say I agree with you on microcontrast but i won't say you're wrong!

[@slothsarecool]

I'll keep an eye on your vids :D definitely interesting. For reference I was using pixel shift on the Leica SL2@@linusandhiscamera

[@Daclundunk2012]

can you make a 3d printed film camera that you have to manually twist the shutter by hand with only a 10$ budget (the film doesnt effect the budget)and show the results

[@calebosborn2231]

Hey Linus. Are you still with CineStill?

[@kendal1517]

where can I download the FimScan35 I software for Mac

[@noticiasinmundicias]

6:57 wouldn't you want to use 3600DPI instead of 1800?

[@MrSwaggernaut83]

Was gonna say this

[@Marlenus-]

Where's the NSX now? Drove one for 12 years, sold it in 2006 and still regret it.

[@neil9381]

These film cameras and pictures have character...digital is rubbish

[@CAJH]

Yesssiirrrrreeee

[@Samson1]

Your first mistake was buying something with 'Crosley' on it. 😂

[@linusandhiscamera]

advice i'd been following until this video lol

[@martyschnurr]

lol i love this

[@CHESSZILLA]

is a normal scanner not just better?

[@ThePwig]

Why would you just assume that you had to use the CDRom to install stuff? There’s always a way to download stuff. And even ways to install them on newer OS

[@linusandhiscamera]

I just wanted to use everything that came in the box. I'm sure I could have done it that way, you're right!

[@ThePwig]

@@linusandhiscamera fair enough. I came across as kind of snarky after reading what I typed! My bad

[@Joe-Bazuka]

Please everyone like this video so Linus can buy a new tshirt.

[@linusandhiscamera]

LMAO

[@bobbleczar]

Let me save you some time. Buy a PlusTek OpticFilm 8200i scanner. The rest are trash.

[@sarova2000]

I mean… you could buy an older epson scanner for less than 100$ and get better results than this I think

[@alhOOO2O]

That Crosley scanner is a hell of a deal. $5 for the scanner, 7 hours of installation labour at $180/hr, and you too can scan negatives at home for only $1265 (plus tax)

[@BernardMallozzi-i5k]

Kitty Roads

[@JeremyCohen]

about to convert my dot dot dot to jpeg rq

[@bratspinat]

i was lucky and got a epson v750 for 15€ 😭

[@thompsonevergreen8006]

Doesn't colour tweaking defeat the whole point of film photography

[@benbunch4159]

…no. A scan is a digital picture of your negative. A negative is…a negative. It needs color tweaking to look like anything.

[@太上布衣-s3s]

I think yess.

[@StanleyKubick1]

no skater hangs a supreme deck

[@linusandhiscamera]

i don’t skate! the supreme deck was a gift, and the other deck i was bought to support my homie Vuhlandes 🤍🤍 so ur right

[@ivan9066]

My brothers in christ, why the hell would you even consider using these plastic pos??? If you’re going to scan some old family negatives, just sent them at the lab..

[@richardeggers]

Let's collab

[@jlwilliams]

Crikey, I just wasted 12 minutes listening to some beardie tell me that cheap scanners are inconsistent and crappy, which I already knew from my own previous adventures with the exact same boxes branded Wolverine, Kodak, etc. Really, what would you expect from an obsolete phone-camera sensor, crummy plastic macro lens, and crude 10-year-old software? Spend your twelve minutes enjoying a cup of coffee and a donut instead…

[@HolmesThom]

Hey shut up and be nicer.

[@jlsc4125]

Once again I am confounded and confused. So you take a picture on film and digitize it. What was the point of using film ???? It's archaic and has absolutely no advantage over digital anyhow, so what's the point, especially if you're just going to digitize it. I've been a photographer since the early 1970's and digital cameras are the best advancement that cameras ever had. The worst is putting them in cell phones because the sensors are so small they're an absolute joke.

[@Googaliemoogalie]

Early digital from the 2000's was nowhere near the quality film had/has. Film still has much more resolution and colour depth than the average person's digital cameras. Converting between them is for people's convenience and backup rather than replacement of photos

[@Googaliemoogalie]

Also think about professionals. No serious film makers in the 2000's used digital means to make their films. Films are shot on film and digitized later for physical media releases. And even 35mm can be digitized to 8k which is still more than what the standard is. So directors and cinematographers still use 35mm. Christopher Nolan only shoots on film (75mm now) and Quentin Tarantino too. Telling them that all digital is superior would be ridiculous

[@thomaseni9237]

What has best quailty/sharpness/details?