I TRIED THE BUTTKICKER GAMER PLUS FOR ONE WEEK AND...NOW I CAN'T FLY WITHOUT IT!

[@MovieLineMaddness]

I finally got my BK Pro dialed in and I must say it’s awesome in the Apache, Viper, and Warbirds Bf-109/Spitfire. One thing tho said in the video either part 1 or this one the flare works but in my case I can’t control the sensitivity. I can put it all the way down to 1 on the sensitivity slider and it still goes so hard like it’s 100% so I have to turn chaff and flare off. Chaff didn’t work anyways so that’s off for that reason. Do you have a similar issue with the flares? Flares go so hard! I can’t turn them down.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

NOTE: Here are a few corrections: A) If you buy a Gamer Plus or Gamer Pro directly from thebuttkicker.com/ you get either the HaptiConnect Standard Track Pack or Flight Pack at no charge (Choose One). If you purchase from some other retailer, you can register it with SN of the Amplifier and receive a free Standard Track Pack or Flight Pack Download At no charge. If you purchased from the company directly, you are automatically registered. B) The ButtKicker Mini IFE is not listed as a gaming unit and I recommend you do your research of how to integrate it before selecting that as an option. I'm sure with some ingenuity you could make it work. 🫡

[@WarbirdsVR]

100%. Bass shakers make a world of difference. Feeling a stall coming on not only helps you fly better but keeps you so immersed. 👌

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Great testimonial...I couldn't really feel what I was missing until one time, I think it was Sunday night, I went to fly and forgot to turn it on...and immediately felt naked without it! And trust me, I'm comfortable being naked sometimes. LOL Take care DB!

[@alvarodelaorden8901]

exactly @@AIRWARFAREGROUP once tried, it´s a must for flying.

[@tallymouse]

I forgot to turn the sub woofer amps for my 3 buttkickers on a few weeks ago before I got in SIM.. the experience was amazingly hollow. I'm about to build a motion rig, and I already know that there's going to be no going back!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I’m going to sneak onto the boneyard complex in Arizona and have a flight in a F-16A. 😜

[@tallymouse]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Just walking in with a buggy loaded with barrels of fuel, a generator, a pump, and power supplies would probably work out.. especially if you're wearing a hi-vis jacket! 😆

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

When I worked on the 15s people asked me why I always had a backpack and I said I’m taking an F15home piece by piece 😜

[@tallymouse]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP 😂

[@flightsimstuff5417]

Johnny Cash would be proud :) @@AIRWARFAREGROUP

[@ComdrStew]

I got it, but I see one problem with the program. It does not have helicopters on it. I use SimShaker for Aviators and you can adjust the Main Rotor Whirl High, Main Rotor Whirl Low, and Effective Translational Lift. The other thing I do not see is Failures and Damage.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

🫡 I actually connected the lead developer from Eagle dynamics with the head of gaming from butt kicker today on email and they’re looking into that as soon as possible. Our four helicopter experienced guys in The Air Warfare Group are also putting together a list of haptic input based off of real world experience flying in helicopters. I just don’t wanna make it look like we’re tooting our own horn, but I want to let you know it’s being looked into right away. Good spot Stew and it’s one of the first things I noticed. For the damage feedback like crash landing those are things we have to get added in DCS first then we can add it to the haptics feedback. Fingers crossed for a win-win situation for everybody.

[@ComdrStew]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I was trying it out in the Apache earlier, but did not get hit by any enemy fire. Do you feel any damage? Oh and when you talk to everyone again thank them for all the work.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey will do, ED and BK are talking and I'm sure most of the Haptic Plugin work is on the BK side...but we have an AWG team scrubbing the Heli Haptics and working to make it better. Wish us luck! On damage impact, no. We flew in and we neutralized two targets before they could fire on us...airfield secure!

[@bulletstop100]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP This would be fantastic!!

[@simplewolf5946]

So I actually tried a buttkicker, and although it was awesome I sadly had to return it.. I live in an apartment and the bass was capable of literally rocking the whole bedroom even on lowest settings. However, I ended up settling on a product called the Woojer Vest. Its basically a buttkicker but in vest form. Just like Juice, I can't fly without it anymore. Definitely recommended for serious simmers

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey, just curious, did you run your butt kicker through the USB and telemetry input or did you run it through sound? Mine doesn’t make any noise at all but the vibration of the seat rig that I have it mounted to could transfer to the floor if I wasn’t on carpet. Thanks for the feedback on yours.

[@simplewolf5946]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Ah honestly its been a few years so i'm really not sure how it was particularly set up sorry.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Tell Woojer to call me! So far between Seat Pad, Bolt On, and Vest, Bolt On works best for my Boeing Military Seat. Stay safe and true to the Wolfpack!

[@marcosavila8215]

11:26 is that a sour note?? lol sounds like the cockpit is out of tune

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Nah, I just have the sound set to "hear like in helmet" as the real guys do to preserve their hearing. Today, they fly with sound attenuating earcups and noise reduction buds inside the ear in most cases. And I thought it was for their Sony Walkman cassette players.

[@donrumsey]

Received my book kicker plus and buck kicker amplifier so hopefully I can get my bucket, your mini and the plus hooked up and ready to roll. The issue I had initially with the mini was the amplifier. Stand by for further.

[@C420sailor]

Must be a Viper thing. You can feel the cans light in the Rhino from the acceleration, but there’s no thump. Just sound of more air passing into the intakes. Same thing with moving the throttles within the AB range…although ours are fully throttleable-not sure if the Viper has AB zones -Rhino pilot

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Jenga drinks a lot of Rum and last flew the Viper in 2014 so I’m thinking it’s a Viper “pilot” thing.

[@alvarodelaorden8901]

interesting detail. Mind if I ask, what about popping flares? do you hear/feel anything?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I have that question out to Jenga (Vipers) and Tekada (Blackhawks) to see if they have feedback on C/M haptics from their flight time.

[@JetDriver77]

The older F100 PW engine in the F-16 had 5 stages of AB. The newer F110 GE engine is a variable AB without "stages".

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 thanks! That makes sense cause Jenga flew the older vipers.

[@Matthew1028]

Glad to see your stull enjoying those MFG crosswinds.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey, this MATT from S&A that sold me the pedals? juice_awg on Discord...

[@Mark_Point]

So the hapti connect can be used with any transducers? I have 2x Dayton bst-1 shakers which I just run a separate sound channel through with a bit of EQ. Works quite well and was my preference over sim shaker which was how I started. That felt a bit fake and out of sync most of the time. Game sound is awesome but varies a bit with module sound quality. Would like to try another telemetry option.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I don't know...it might. If you have one of the free games supported, you can DL their free version and test it. Does anyone else reading this know? I will ask the company on our next Tech Call for the future video content...perhaps Monday. Thanks for the questions MP, I imagine Simshaker for Aviators is golden, but in my efforts to help Guitammer and Eagle Dynamics improve the haptic experience, I'm going to stick with HaptiConnect for now.

[@Mark_Point]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Thanks, I will look into it. SimShakers is good, some love it, but I prefer just running standard game audio, until something better came along. Hapti connect could be it!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The audio patch for me only gave me basic rumbles, no differential in intensity based upon the type of input needed for different things. Everything was one bump of the same thing. I love that I can dial down the buffeting, the gear and flaps affects, and what's neat is it is automatically graduated from the difference in speed. The speedbrake at low airspeed is not as intense as when flying faster. Do let us know what you find out on using HC with your transducers. I think you have to have a USB plugin to get it to work and I can say the software automatically recognizes hardware when plugged in. message me on discord if you want to chat on it. juice_awg

[@BrownHornet68]

I have the Jet Seat and I feel the same can’t fly without

[@vitopass123]

Very interesting. Thanks Juice

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

🫡Thanks Vitopass!

[@nazradu]

I realy would like to know how much you benefit from G's feedback in the break turn of carrier landing pattern. Can you tell from the vibration when you are pulling 3.5 G?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I just tested this before bed last night and it’s recognizable but my technique has always been to cross check the HUD information to sustain G 1% to Speed so for me it’s just background feel. Where I noticed the G feedback most is in tactical maneuvering.

[@nazradu]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP mh yeah in the F-14 it's a "wide frame" if you want to check G. And as the instrument is so far right and down you can loose track of altitude and speed. But I expected from the Butt Kicker that you just know that you are pulling G without the ability to say how many. Even though this would be a selling Point hard to ignore. Maybe you fly blind folded and try to gess the amount of G you are loading😅

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Ah, sorry can’t help you, I don’t fly the Tomcat.

[@ItzJPV]

Can you please lmk what you have for the exact numbers for all your presets for the Software. Jets,Helicopters,Warbirds. I’ve been looking for a good profile.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The numbers might not work for your setup unless you have the exact same chair, in the same setting like my carpet, pad, house build, and such as these numbers of intensity are based upon my setup. I would start with the 50% default and slide them up and down for each input...it's adjustable in flight and is even easier if you have two monitors. My numbers won't automatically work.

[@DoradoFever]

Resisting urge to make a refueling probe joke on the butt kicker.... 😬

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey, we get it...thanks for taking the high road on that. But good inuendo for sure! If my wife finds out how much I have spent since 2011...she's going to be my Butt-Kicker!

[@curleex3838]

What about breaking the sound barrier, can u feel that?

[@banjo-awgdu]

As someone who has been lucky enough to experience M1.2 in a real Hornet, I don't remember any physical sensation. I suppose you could artificially put one in to "flag" you are

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Like Banjo and Cabi said, it’s uneventful and overrated. Now if you are on the ground watching someone fly by close and they do it, cover your ears and hold onto your butt!

[@alvarodelaorden8901]

I strongly think you can feel some rumbling at certain modules when approaching transonic speeds. But my experience comes from the software we can´t mention on this video lol

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That’s probably due to drag from stores and airframe characteristics.

[@remko6095]

Hello, do you feel the touchdown when landing? In thinking about getting one as it would improve if i can feel when the wheels touch the ground

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Yes and no. So, if you get a ButtKicker and use third-party software, you can dial it in more precise. For DCS and HaptiConnect software that comes with BK, the runway is textured but no "Thud" when you land, nor is there any crash dynamic. I'm still pressing ED and Guitammer to work together to get the data points loaded and plugged into the HaptiConnect Software. The beta launch of the DCS Plugin is just a year old this month.

[@Redemptorchapter]

Once again, I am kicking myself for not grabbing the Martin-Baker ejection seat training aid from my EOD unit when we decided to get rid off it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That's a BEEFY SEAT - Spend the $800 and get the NLR. Use Code AWG and see if you get a discount. They had us in there for a while during a sale. Might still work. Juice

[@StrikerDM]

This is great for warbirds, as it gives you plenty of stall warning with the buffeting. It really allows you to push AoA to the edge of a stall. I now have a hard time flying without it. I use SimShaker software along with custom transducers & an older Buttkicker gamer.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Thanks for the info! I’m going to work with Guitammer to try and improve HaptiConnect software for DCS. I may have to try out SimShaker in the future. 😀

[@Name-ps9fx]

Curious, how noisy is this type compared to a traditional subwoofer method? I live in a somewhat thin-walled apartment but am always looking for enhancements to the DCS experience...

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

It's good...mine is USB so it doesn't tie into sounds. Is yours USB or 3.5mm connected?

[@Name-ps9fx]

Don't have one yet. If there isn't a risk of loud thinly sounds I'll look into getting one.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The units are solid, but the overall noise consideration will be in your application as in what you attach it to and how beefy it is. Then it depends on where you plan on using the equipment. Good luck on your choice.

[@Mightymoose02]

Buttkicker is not recommended if you are worried about noise/ vibration annoying wife/kids/neighbours!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Agreed...Seat Pads are good for those situations!

[@AndRobMel]

Would you be willing to share your setup hapticonnect profile values? its a bit hard watching the video to macth your settings.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I will in the near future but unless you have the same mass of seat rig, cushion thickness, carpet depth, it’s going to be different from other setups. Keep an eye out for the video on settings for jets and warbirds coming soon.

[@badgerbrown2010]

need some setting info if you don't mind

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I can share in a few days what I end up with, but I don't know if that will help you. Each rig is different and depending on weight and Haptic placement, it might not be the same for you? Here's a guy on the forums that shared his and I started with these and many were too high for my setup. I do think you'll dial yours in better than using my settings. forum.dcs.world/topic/325061-buttkicker-pro-optimal-hapticonnect-settings/

[@badgerbrown2010]

Trying to figure out the best frequency /volume combination Looking forward to see what you’ve come up with

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The part of the video past 6:15 is to show how quiet it is for my setup. I also mentioned that in the first part about my kitchen is directly below my chair. If you are on hardwood floor and above someone, it might be different. If on a concrete slab home, I imagine no problems. 🫡JUICE

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point, the settings on the box is a consideration and I have that set where I think it would stay.

[@rynosraceroom66]

If I wanted to try #DCS on my pc , what advice wld you give for getting started ? I'm currently a sim racer .

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Depends…it’s not for everyone but most like it. Bee enjoyed with a good bank account and a side of unlimited time. 😜 download the open beta from the website and try almost everything on the platform for two weeks each. You can try one for two weeks, then uninstall it, and try another and see what you think. You can’t do this through Steam though.

[@rynosraceroom66]

Thx bud 10-4 @@AIRWARFAREGROUP

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHiZiWyLfrKnhrssi=BGwy-_UGoEF7c-Be

[@SonofSorenOfficial]

Are you using the Next Level Racing HF8 Haptic Gaming Pad with the Butt Kicker?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Negative, just a BK. I transferred the HF8 to Tekada for a racing review.

[@RedTail_Morpheus]

You convinced me. I have one arriving tomorrow.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Let me know if I can help setup the software.

[@RedTail_Morpheus]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP will do. Thank you!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Update video on the haptic software coming soon but basically, both parties are working on it.

[@RedTail_Morpheus]

I love the Buttkicker Plus after spending just a little over an hour goofing around in DCS with it. It’s extremely easy to setup the hardware, and a breeze to install the software. I’m new to DCS, and I’m currently learning the A10 CII. My only complaint is that I wish I had known that it would take a little while to learn the modules. That’s not a complaint. I wouldn’t have it any other way. The problem is, I went out and purchased all of the modules and some peripherals for the A10, F16, F15E, F18, F14 and Apache before I ever got the A10 off the ground. 😂 Oh well. I’m retired and there’s no rush to get anything done.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

It’s great when people join DCS through their website and save 50% on their order and get a lot of aircraft. I have friends who did basically everything you did and they eventually get to use the other modules in a year or so. This experience is just one of the reasons why I tell people that DCS isn’t a simple video game. When Nick and Igor released DCS in their eighth year of doing business together they could have just called it something like “Jet Combat” or “Fighter Planes” or something similar to the other games we have on Steam. But KUDOS to them for naming it what it is (Digital Combat Simulator) and I think it’s the best time investment ever to help me and my veteran friends reconnect with our past in military aviation. This video demonstrates how I feel about DCS. kzbin.info/www/bejne/joqwpqqhn7h4g5Ysi=egK-oaPvP2qtiERR

[@marcosavila8215]

very informative, tx my dear friend...i hope my wife doesn't realize the amount of money i have spent in dcs or Msfs and all the addons, modules, peripherals, yeah its between the 3 and 5k euros, a lot. cheers my friend and happy new year from here, Lisbon-Portugal PS by the way im a music producer- and live guitar player for multiple known artists here in Portugal, that in the end is very beautiful, its you??

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I totally love it! Do you have any music up on your YT Channel? I'll check it out. As for our wives...yes, got to take a little bit at a time or they notice the dents in the bank account. LOL

[@MeplusYellow]

Butt kicker is awesome. You need to also add the jet pad as well. Running them both together with sim shaker (really well developed and all effects work, there are also way more settings that work really well like catapult, wire, wing fold etc.) software makes flying any other way feel incredibly flat and sterile.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I got the HF8 from NLR for review but didn't like it. One, it had no direct plugin for DCS and I don't think they have it yet to this day. Two, it changed the whole dynamic of my sim rig, added measurement considerations and drew away from the military appeal. It seemed perfect for a racing chair or office chair, so I sent it to Tekada_AWG for a RACE REVIEW which he's coming around to doing.

[@MeplusYellow]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUPI didn’t like the HF8 either. I’m referring to the simshaker jet pad and their software. It just goes right onto the seat and can be unplugged and put back in the closet. It connects through one USB 3.0 cable and power. The sim shaker software is also incredibly detailed and has all effects modeled. Once you tune it (not vanilla settings for anyone you can really baseline) it’s incredible and even the butt kicker alone seems a bit flat after that. Definitely worth checking out.

[@matthewchido8450]

Does this work with vtol vr as well

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I’ve never heard of that one.

[@midnight7297]

IIRC you tried the HF8 before too, buttkicker seems so expensive for the UK at £350 if I remember right, vs about £190 for the HF9

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

True...I got the HF8 from NLR for review but didn't like it. One, it had no direct plugin for DCS and I don't think they have it yet to this day. Two, it changed the whole dynamic of my sim rig, added measurement considerations and drew away from the military appeal. It seemed perfect for a racing chair or office chair, so I sent it to Tekada_AWG for a RACE REVIEW which he's coming around to doing.

[@toastfrenzy]

Buttkickers certain add a certain something to the whole experience. Well worth it if it's achievable for you.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Couldn't have said it better...and I think there's a lot of guys that complain about stuff we see on KZbin like it's over-priced. In reality, it's just out of their reach financially. I could say that the Cessna Citation II is over-priced and that's why I don't fly it in real life...but in reality, it's out of my means. I hope to double my KZbin income and get some money for a down payment...Wait, I don't make any money on KZbin so double nothing is still nothing! LOL Take care TF!

[@mikebal7777]

Unless they add stall factors to the software, it seems like little more than a toy, I dont need to feel the tarmac, or the gun...I need to feel the airflow over the wings becoming turbulent

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That’s what I used to think too 😜

[@SuperAstraeus]

Thnx, my will kill me 😂. I wanted to buy in the past but they didn't have the SW for it. Now i have to rethink buying it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

If you do decide to get one...you can purchase any unit online and register at Guitammer's website to receive the Racing or Flight Pack for free download. I have a video coming out about the options and what to consider when purchasing based upon usage and base application size. Mini would work for office chairs but it doesn't come with the post lock connector, the Pro is nice but overkill for most lightweight and medium rigs. The PLUS was perfect for my setup. I'm hoping to get a channel discount code as well for guys to save $$ on one. Keep us in your radar scan as this develops as I've only been in contact with the company 2 weeks.

[@SuperAstraeus]

I have ordinary wooden kitchen chair which is perfect for DF because i can rotate my body in both directions and hold with my hand onto the chair back support if i have a bandit on my six. I-m using VR. I have only option to order from Europe. Prices are from 360 to 410 euros without shipping. On US site you cant order without purchasing SW, also european cant order from US. On some Europe reseler pages there is a link for registrating and obtaining free SW.@@AIRWARFAREGROUP

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Mini would work.

[@SuperAstraeus]

Could be but sometimes i rather install a device that is runing on, how to say, in cruise mode, not on 100% power. With this attiuted it prolongs life of the device. I have to rethink it.@@AIRWARFAREGROUP

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I have to think again...the Mini isn't a good Gamer item but could work with some extra work.

[@Callsigntitan]

Dcs is expensive indeed and the learning curve is really big.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Couldn't have said it better. For some guys it's the most expensive version of war thunder.

[@Callsigntitan]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP it worth it though. It's my passion.

[@Freeway7]

Yeah peoples dont GET it until they do have a Buttkicker and then .... you cannot fly widout it !!! especially in VR

[@thefinancier12]

Does it play guitar music or something?..

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

No, but the company name is from guitar and hammer.

[@testthepest6259]

I have an old Buttkicker without usb Port, so i will need something like simhub just for DCS. :(

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

What model do you have and what interface connectors are with it? How big is your seat or SimRig?

[@testthepest6259]

This one, it's the old model kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ndkoxsiLqabq8 for msfs there is something existing like simhub @@AIRWARFAREGROUP

[@shagrat47]

Look up Simshaker Soundmodule. Need a separate Sound card (separate output) and connect that audio to the buttkicker or any other amp/transducer combo. SimShakerAudio interfaces with DCS export and uses events/parameters from the sim to trigger vibration. You "feel" the real events, not the audio rumble from enhanced bass. 😊

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The USB input cord works with the AMP, and the AMP connects to the Shaker via different cable. Check this out and Guitammer's Tech Support is really good at getting back to you. Check out this video and then visit their website. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oondZ6qrl5ijobMsi=ZEo3bdyw5VSD_957 thebuttkicker.com/

[@baronvonrichthofen2021]

That was 10-15 minutes of you flying around in silence.. the least you could have done is comment on the feedback you’re getting from the device as you are flying and trying things out.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Most people don't watch the second half...so the message in the second half is that with everything I did during the musical flight was recorded on my iPhone with the mic on and to show people that it doesn't make noise or vibrate through the house. I'm on the second floor over the kitchen.

[@billpii6314]

Well this review was useless with nine minutes of music and nothing about the BK

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

You must’ve missed the first six minutes of information I told you guys 😜 and those other guys that gave it a thumbs up, are they all high?