I Tried to Develop Perfect Pitch

[@huntermatthews3407]

You totally nailed that Podcast genre with the sound track, it sounded great!

[@NicolasPugaValera]

Hunter Matthews I agree, loved the vibe

[@batlin]

It evoked an entirely welcome film noir feeling.

[@daisymonsalve1485]

Nice Video clip! Sorry for chiming in, I would love your thoughts. Have you ever tried - Honora Xenndrew Magic (do a search on google)? It is an awesome one off product for learning pitch recognition to master absolute pitch and relative pitch without the normal expense. Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my cousin after many years got cool success with it.

[@jpflynn06]

You KILLED it! Podcasters need to understand that some ambient music or tone changing music brings a whole new layer of depth to their show. You did that in spades.

[@XZapper919X]

This is really inspirational for people practicing relative pitch!

[@elijahmandeville8475]

Holy cow, you really need to continue with this podcast style. This is higher quality than most podcasts I've heard, honestly; you set such a wonderful mood with the music. Really wonderful stuff, Jeff!!

[@NeverWolf]

People with perfect pitch also need to develop relative pitch anyway. In most cases they have to sort of detach themselves from the own predispositions regarding particular notes. Imagine developing perfect pitch from a piano and then finding out organ is tuned slightly different.

[@vanessa6616]

That is true, for ear testing I did need to develop relative pitch

[@jackkurasik8371]

It sounds funny - People with perfect pitch have to develop relative pitch It's like saying - a Formula 1 driver has to learn how to drive in the city!!?? Totally rediculous! Yest I know your point It is still some kind of switch that one has to make but it would not take long for a perfect pitch possessor to start realizing it automatically after a few attempts that - this is perfect 5th and this is augmented 4th

[@rowegardner9673]

I would 150% listen to a podcast from you, man. You have a lot to add to the space and your voice needs to be heard! I say go for it. Also great work on this.

[@GabriTell]

1:09, As a Perfect Pitch myself, it's simple: we just remember it. We don't hear in any specific way (in fact, we actually hear the same thing), but the difference is that we just remember the notes, and then we associate them with their names (as simple as you would with colours). It has no mystery, it's just... that. 🎶🖌

[@FacePomagranate]

I don't have perfect pitch... But as soon as you played the first note, I was like "G"... but only because that's the first note in Pictures At An Exhibition. And I only figured out the second note was F# because I recognized the interval (but if it's low enough, I recognize it as the first note of Subdivisions by Rush). I call it imperfect pitch; I can't recognize every note, but I recognize some notes - depending on the octave and instrument they're played on.

[@igneo.s4554]

This happens to me as well! I can sometimes be totally sure of the note I'm hearing because I know a song that has that same not in it and I just happen to know what that note is

[@Platinum_XYZ]

@@igneo.s4554 That is perfect pitch!

[@pjbpiano]

This happens to me too. Though it's not consistent.

[@foxygrandpa_9139]

ELP fan has been spotted

[@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole]

Mr, that is the way you LEARN perfect pitch. You are actually already on the path, and didn't even know it. // Quick advice. Try to focus on seeing a tonal center in middle C. The C-note is like the beginning of the visible rainbow spectrum: Red. Even in sacred geometry, 256 is akin to a square (i.e. C-256 in Scientific Tuning). And there are 12 side to a cube, just as there are 12 notes between any two C octave notes. (There are even 64 squares on a chess board, which is a low 64 hertz C-note. // Secondly, get a notebook and start playing an single note against another (especially close notes), and WRITE DOWN the differences in texture and feel of each note. Soon, you will be able to start recognizing note automatically because your mind becomes used to that texture. // Here is my uTube page on similar subject: kzbin.info/door/QzAv4E_kMLQLpK9vzQYg8Q

[@saorikataoka]

I love this podcast style! It’s a bit depressing to meet/see/hear people without perfect pitch but have developed an amazing listening skill. It feels like I will never get there as a person with perfect pitch. Like, reverse jealousy? Lol ugh, ok I go practice.

[@henryxpimentel]

Jeff we need more content like this! This was amazing. Maybe with video clips to go along with it too?

[@PhilDoughty]

Relative pitch is more valuable & practical particularly in situations when you need to react musically to other musicians(ie jazz)

[@Greenpuma]

Phil Doughty that is a bold statement. I’d like to hear the reason why you think so.

[@JariSatta]

I agree. You'll need to learn music theory, and relative pitch. You may lose Perfect Pitch later in life.

[@Greenpuma]

Jari Satta having perfect pitch doesen’t mean you can’t practice music theory.

[@spacevspitch4028]

It's not an either/or thing. They each have their realm of value. You can work on both systematically and they each add something to your overall experience of music.

[@PhilDoughty]

@@Greenpuma Jazz at it's most basic (for me) is about listening and call & answer. If you don't understand what the other person/player is saying musically then how can expect to properly reply. This is where relative pitch comes in to help. Recognising intervals without being told what they are in words (for me at least) is more useful. Did I just say the same thing with more words?

[@vishnusriram]

I love the way you’re combining storytelling with music in the podcast format. I would totally listen to this!

[@sp4gsus]

I had an idea once for developing perfect pitch but never followed through with it. Find very familiar recognizable songs for all 12 notes and consistently hum them in your head, starting with half steps then Jumping around. I think it’s all about recognition and familiarity. I don’t have perfect pitch but I can consistently sing an A because the theme song for my favorite radio show (Joe and Evan on the FAN) is in the key of A and I just hear it perfectly in my head at anytime no matter where I am or what I’m doing.

[@JackHagar]

Your method can definitely work, that’s how I remember sharps/flats. For any regular note I just think of where it lies on solfege and at this point it just pops into my head immediately without reference. I wouldn’t call this the same as perfect pitch though since people who have had it since childhood can tell when something is even slightly out of tune and can also easily hear multiple notes at the same time which I personally struggle with

[@DonyaLane]

This format was cool, Jeff. I dig it! My ex husband (we met at Berklee) was born with perfect pitch. He's like some sort of freak of nature. He can hear the pitch in a door knock. BTW, I was at Berklee from 82-86 (piano major), and I remember hearing other students talk about this guru you mentioned - Charlie Benakis (sp?). I always just heard the name, but never knew him. Anyway, hearing that name was a blast from the past!

[@olakolade6656]

Thanks for this! Now i'm gonna continue training my relative pitch. This is very inspiring!

[@emmnttvideogamemusic6021]

This podcast is just wow, great soundtrack. Hope more of these are coming our way.

[@thisintangibleexistence]

I love the podcast style... very npr of you. I hope for more~

[@frederickthorne2496]

you should definitely do a podcast - you have radiolab quality to the feel of your podcast - earcandy af!! so good, Jeff 100

[@aviva5048]

Something that’s really interesting to me is that it’s actually possible for people who don’t have perfect pitch to memorize a pitch. For me, I chose C. I just began playing it a lot and trying to see if I can remember it with no context and in the end, it worked! Like right now with no context, I could just sing a C because I just memorized it. (I might be like a semitone off, but for the most part, I think I’m pretty accurate) I can’t do it with any other note because if I try, it just really confuses me and I have to take a moment to remember C again. Anyway, now I’m trying to strengthen my relative pitch based on that C that I have memorized that way I can have “perfect pitch” even though I only have one note memorized!

[@ishaan2962]

Same here

[@disinformationworld9378]

This is “physical” vocal memory. Not perfect pitch. If you have true perfect pitch you know what a pitch sounds like. Although some will make mistakes (contrary to myth, it exists on a spectrum of ability). But vocal pitch reproduction is not evidence of PP.

[@Gabrielm624]

I would definitely listen to a podcast if you did it again, great format especially with the background music!

[@fiscaldisco5234]

I'm into it! Could listen to a good hour of this. I think a good music podcast doesn't delve *too* deep into technical or complicated stuff because a lot of listeners (like me) like listening while doing other stuff.

[@tntwashpro3863]

Are you going to make your own piano course? You are amazing with explaining theory. Many people are not as thorough. I would like to play by ear. I'm not Interested in reading music but I would love to learn theory well.

[@tntwashpro3863]

@dangerous I really wouldn't care if I was called an illiterate musician. I've seen musicians who can't read music that can out play many who can. I've also seen, a bunch of theory Enthusiasts that can't play without sheet music. This is for my personal enjoyment. So playing by ear is something I prefer.

[@JazzGuitarScrapbook]

Love to hear more about Banacos

[@meruemu]

Very interesting podcast, like that format !

[@vitor.santos7]

Amazing! Great content Jeff, keep it up!

[@jment34]

I've learned that trying leads to failure in ear training. I can assure you that the course is effective by the way there are 24 cd's and exercises and guidance in total. It takes time relaxed state of mind and patience. I agree with the creator of the course when he said that it's not an intellectual experience.

[@charlesgould8436]

Enjoy the journey

[@julicoole]

Would def listen to a podcast, this was great

[@matteogabrielmecattaf673]

Love the format

[@TheFretsons]

Great format Jeff.

[@wonjonglee7854]

this gives me hope for my ears, thank you jeff

[@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj]

Thank you,Jeff. Encouraging.⭐🌹⭐

[@DrD4n]

Definitely feeling the podcast vibe! Plz continue with it! Is there any app or Programm That you would recommend for training relative pitch?

[@kermitkev]

DrD4n Functional Ear Trainer by Sergiy Korchan apps.apple.com/gb/app/functional-ear-trainer/id1088761926

[@chrisharringtonguitarist]

Hey Jeff, Great video. I'd love to hear a weekly or monthly podcast from you in this style.

[@mickzeerock4272]

Cool vid! I did too and ain't never gonna get it neither! I knew a guitarist at music skool who figured it out though. When I asked him how he said "I learned the C, then the G, then everything else in between." his name was Pedro.

[@PugnaxSax]

Great thoughts & story as I’m driving back to work from my lunch break! Sometimes I wonder if perfect pitch might actually make the listening experience less enjoyable, ie diminish the beautiful mystery of hearing a new song you like for the first time. Sometimes music is best consumed when you’re not thinking about the theory, or what key a song is in, or how the soloist just played a b3 over the V/V chord… :)

[@skemsen]

This is a brilliant video! Love this format and the way you tell this story! It's like reading a great novel but in my preferred format - video and audio! :-)

[@lazulicdm]

This is gonna sound crazy, but what worked for me was having the same like 3 songs that I would listen to when I was in middle/high school. After hearing them enough, I became more familiar as to where the key was, one was in G major, and as soon as I knew that, after hearing that song in G major for so long, I know where a G is. Always. I'm not sure if I got lucky with that but I have heard of really odd ways people have developed incomplete perfect pitch after youth, which, while it isn't perfect, is substantially better than nothing. It gave me the ability to determine keys, individual pitches, and chords with complete voicings without a reference pitch. Anything that someone with perfect pitch can do, but it takes a bit longer. Hope this helps someone out!

[@stefan1024]

You can also use your voice as a landmark. Find out which is your natural "go-to" note, when you start singing without context.

[@JackHagar]

That’s better than what most people can do but I wouldn’t call it perfect pitch. Those with it can also comfortably hear when something is even slightly out of tune and also hear multiple notes together instantly

[@lazulicdm]

@@JackHagar That is still exactly what this is, it more applies to when I'm listening to or transcribing something that moves around a lot, I'm not always instant, but I can hear intonation changes/offsets

[@AlanHearnshaw]

I can quite consistently identify any note I hear, but I do it by singing the note, and I can feel what it’s like to sing. Not having perfect pitch doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I can quite consistently hear the key of a song (even if I have to sing the tonic to get it). From there, relative pitch is what matters.

[@parki5074]

what's the music at the background?

[@medearisdixson2094]

I love your content bro. Thank you 🙏🏾

[@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole]

I see C major as red (love songs). C# is vigor and endurance (Chariot's of Fire), D is orange (jubilance, joy, fire in the belly. Hayden's "Sunrise Symphony"), E-flat is orange/yellow, a bright, golden tone (Spiritual awakening, realization), E is Yellow (consciousness/being conscious. The Flaming Lips' "What is the Light."), F is lime-green/chartreuse (relaxation, or a letting-go), F-sharp is green/grass-green. Like having LET go. moving on. growth. (Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony), G is turquoise/aqua-marine (vocal expression of an idea, fluidity, communication. We tend to communicate with each other vocally in the key of G), A-flat if blue (death, or estrangement. "Every Breath You Take, I'll be watching you."). A-note seems metallic and grounding to me. Earthy, too, yet vast and expansive. Blue-violet. (Led Zeppelin's "Cashmere"), B-flat is violet. Like purple. (Prince & the Revolution's "Purple Rain."), B is magenta. End of the spectrum. Spirit world. Final transitions (Ray Parker Jr.'s "Ghostbusters"). That magenta diffuses into C, and we are Born Again. // I cover subjects like this on The Acoustic Rabbit Hole, for those interested. Peace Out!

[@rockingbuddah]

C: green, Db: “seafoam green”, D: blue, Eb:marraschino, E: Red F: white, F#: glass, G: Black, Ab: brown, A: french vainilla, Bb: carrot Orange B: yellow Orange.

[@JackNokeJazzCo]

This is a wicked style. Please launch a podcast!

[@whanowa]

Everyone is doing the Adam Neely thing in the thumbnails nowadays :D

[@onesyphorus]

i remember when 12tone started also doing it lol. I like this trend

[@spacevspitch4028]

That's badass that you studied with Charlie Banacos. I learned about him through Bruce Arnold who has all kinds of study materials that promote the idea of learning all 12 notes against a key center. I spent a few years developing that using moveable Do solfege. I can't say enough about that approach. I would say learn to do that before learning intervals even. Our musical education system is so disgustingly interval-centric in spite of the fact that the way we experience musical pitch, even if we're unaware of it, is in tonal contexts. So trying to divorce our ears from the tonal context of pitches in order to discern the "distance" between them is disruptive. Not that it's entirely useless. It's just important to understand that there are *12* of each kind of interval. For example, a I/V P5th, a bII/bVI P5th, a II/VI P5th, etc. I will say though that Burge's course isn't a scam. It's just outdated and in spite of the wealth of information in it, it still comes across as vague. You can spend years like I did trying to "hear the colors". It's insane. I still made progress, though, and it was enough to keep me going and exploring the possibility further. I finally discovered a more direct approach, at least for me that I talk about in my videos (which are of poor quality, I admit). There ARE studies showing that absolute identification of pitch CAN be developed in adulthood. It's just that no one has ever been shown to develop AP to the degree of someone who developed it spontaneously in childhood. This guy, Chris Aruffo (www.aruffo.com) has developed eartraining software with some interesting games that focus your ears in a way that helps to get going in the direction of AP perception. A recent quote of his I liked a lot was this: "I am still convinced, theoretically, that learning absolute pitch is possible for adults-but my successes with Ear Training Companion (Absolute Pitch Avenue and Absolute Pitch Painter) have helped me discover the extent of the individual work necessary to achieve it. That is, I believe that the problem is equivalent to that of teaching phonemic awareness to illiterates... in a second language. That's a hell of a hill to climb." I think he's right that it's hell of a hill to climb. For me it's been worth it though.

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience so thoughtfully here. Much appreciated!

[@justinnelsonmusic6848]

I do agree, to pretty much all of the above. It did feel a little disingenuous to write off the Burge method so quickly. He is actually pretty comprehensive and insists you do the relative pitch course alongside the perfect pitch one. I’ve had quite a bit of success with it. I cannot comment on the pricing of the courses, however, which like Pimsleur, seems very inflated, but as courses go it’s one of the more detailed and thought-out of the bunch. He also keeps it light and fun, which goes a long way, while still conveying a sense of importance.

[@spacevspitch4028]

@@justinnelsonmusic6848 I actually did Burge's RP course as well all those years ago. It's still very interval-centric but he does cover scale degrees and his emphasis on speed recognition was great. It gave me a great foundation which prepared me for all the contextual stuff that Bruce Arnold focuses on. As for his AP course, I've experienced everything he talks about in his course at one point or another. So he knows what he's talking about. But again, it's still vague and you tend to feel like you don't know what you're supposed to be listening for a lot of times. Like, what IS this "pitch color" thing? Ultimately, I was able to lock into the differences in sound quality between the tones but it took literally years of doing all kinds of different things to figure it out for myself. And then it's a whole other journey of coming up with a way of eartraining with THAT that gets results. So...that's what I'm doing now 😄

[@spacevspitch4028]

@@justinnelsonmusic6848 Oh, and I meant to say don't get me started on the cost, especially Pimsleur! 😡 I did all III levels of Russian which I had to paid for because I screwed up the timing of cancelling on the free trial (long story). But I was able to find a torrent of all 5 levels of Spanish. NOT paying for that crap again! I made it to level III and fell off the wagon. REALLY wanna get back into it though.

[@mike.semark]

Hey Jeff, I've been doing Rick Beato's ear training (basically, play a note and then play an interval above and below it simultaneously) for a few months and have noticed my progress is coming along quite well. Just out of curiosity, for how long and how often did you do the ear training exercises? I've been doing about 15 minutes a day every day or 5/6 times a week. Just wondering about your own experience practising this stuff.

[@diretoaospontos-victorbarb7377]

Hey, don't know if you will see this, but one year later, how is your ear?

[@mike.semark]

@@diretoaospontos-victorbarb7377 hey! it's developed a lot! i stopped doing rick's exercises after about 5 or 6 months and just started using that time to learn songs by ear instead, and I think that actually helped more than the exercises did, but I'm at a point now where I can figure out most songs by ear - I have trouble with some jazz chords still, but even then it just takes me a little longer. I don't listen to or play much jazz anyway. i find learning single note ideas super easy and i can play the melody to most songs after hearing it once or twice unless it's particularly complex, and i can pick out the chord progression to most songs very quickly too unless there are some weird voicings or something that i haven't encountered before. :D

[@diretoaospontos-victorbarb7377]

@@mike.semark thank you so much for answering! I started playing the piano for six months, and it's my dream to play any popular song just by listening once, In the past 6 months I really learned so much more than most people do on the piano, but even training my ear every day, learning a song by ear is really hard for me! I do ear training but I didn't know if it was working, now that you said it does, I'm more excited about it! Thank you!

[@mike.semark]

@@diretoaospontos-victorbarb7377 ah that's awesome, no problem! Keep working on it everyday, try to do little things like work out the sound of a short melody or a chord when listening to songs. Eventually it will become a lot easier :)

[@mrdanielslade]

Does strong relative pitch and a good recollection of songs make up for perfect pitch? Example: I can imagine the first notes of “Spain” in my head, so I can create a D from memory, then relate the pitch I’m hearing to that (say, an F#) and can usually confidently name a note based on that. There’s a few ‘reference’ songs I use in my head to recall certain notes. Somewhere over the rainbow for an Eb for instance..

[@spacevspitch4028]

Sounds like you have a good "latent absolute pitch memory" which is what it's been called in research studies. You could, if you really wanted to (may not be worth your time), capitalize on that ability and take it even further until you had all 12 pitches pretty well internalized and could identify them fairly consistently. It's a pretty involved endeavor but it's possible.

[@joypass17]

Does it bother anyone else that the circle has a gap in it?

[@stefan1024]

Yes! Thank you.

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

Me too

[@---yx7ti]

yes

[@georgeconners9067]

Jeff if you train yourself to identify only one note, lets say A 440 hz, and also train the relative pitch, you may actually have the capacity of identify any note, what do you think?

[@jaybom88]

The sound design and pacing here really reminds me of RadioLab.

[@lennardbehnke3681]

I want to hear your podcast!

[@heladiocontreras6626]

Thank you I thought I could never get perfect pitch because I thought you can only learn it really young or born with it

[@fraxillenba]

Great vid

[@jacoblee3917]

Loved it

[@alanguages]

I read reviews, that the people who were critical of David Lucas Burge's Perfect Pitch course did NOT actually finish the course. I am curious, as there have been people who gave positive reviews after taking the course.

[@NLTSlay]

I like Jeff more after watching this ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@ΑλέξανδροςΜακρίδης-θ6ε]

I just found your channel out while trying to find if anyone discusses some stuff related to perfect pitch. I didn't manage to find the particular ones I was searching for, but I found the channel pretty interesting. I do have a perfect pitch and there's one thing that I cannot stand. That is when someone puts music playing while talking. I don't know about others with perfect pitch, but my mind goes like: (For example at 0:48) "I was kind of mesmerized... and a bit jealous." C Eb G, C Eb A Eb G C Eb G, C Eb A Eb G "Later on in highschool" C Eb "I went to the" G "Summer music program at" C Eb A "Berkeley in Boston" And it goes on and on... (Yeah, the timing wasn't that accurate because that's not the point of it) It interrupts me so much that I cannot concentrate at all on what the others say. To me, it feels exactly like when two people are talking to you at the same time. The sounds really come off as a language to me. It seemed kind of ironic to me that you were discussing about perfect pitch while talking with background music but maybe it's just me, I don't know :P I really am surprised that nobody commented on that one (Or at least I didn't find any command related to it). I'd really appreciate it if anyone with perfect pitch comments here to tell me if they have the same issue or anything related!

[@lifeontheledgerlines8394]

I have to say, as someone with perfect pitch, you still need to develop your relative pitch. You still need to do ear training exercises and stuff, because the relationships between notes and chords is much more important than the notes themselves. A lot of people with perfect pitch struggle to think in terms of chord functions rather than just the chords as they are. And what having perfect pitch is like? Um... I guess I see it like seeing colors. Like, you look at green and you know it's green. It's the same with perfect pitch, except I can recreate the pitch without a reference as well as identify a pitch without context. I hear an F# and I know what it is, almost instinctively, just like how I know what purple is when I see it. I also have a type of synesthesia called chromasthesia, which is the relationship of color and pitch, which probably is why I picked that particular analogy. If you have any questions about perfect pitch, just ask. I'd love to have a conversation with anyone curious.

[@cameronmur5013]

Hey! Are you still open to a conversation about perfect pitch? I have some detailed questions I’m curious on

[@lifeontheledgerlines8394]

@@cameronmur5013 Of course, of course! Ask away mate

[@cameronmur5013]

@@lifeontheledgerlines8394 Awesome! plenty of questions because I did do the David Lucas Burge program for piano and it worked well but I have trouble with other instruments, Aural recall (off by a semi-tone half of the time), and I can't tell the key of a piece or rapidly moving notes...so maybe I'm just underdeveloped? I picked up guitar and am making good progress with that which i find has help me more for hearing pitches on other instruments but still early. So ya the questions....

[@cameronmur5013]

@@lifeontheledgerlines8394 How did you realize you had perfect pitch? What was your PP ability level for identifying pitches and different instruments? did you need to work to improve it? How do you hear chords? do you hear the root, all the notes, or the color of the chord? Are there any instruments or sounds that give you trouble with pitch identification? Do you remember all songs in the correct key? Are you able to think of a song in your head and have it be correct with the keys and notes when compared to the original song? Have you ever had any moments where you have briefly "lost" or been confused in your PP? Do you think your perfect pitch is only as good as it is because of the music theory you? I'm curious if the people who play songs back they hear instantly are really remember all of the pitches or they combine PP with theory? Thanks!

[@lifeontheledgerlines8394]

@@cameronmur5013 QnA Time with Ledger! 1. So I was in one of my violin lessons maybe 5-6 years ago (I'm 16 now), and my teacher noticed I could hum a note/tell her what a note was without reference and she was like "hey I think you have perfect pitch." She played some random notes on a piano which I guessed correctly, and that's how I found out. 2. I never really had difficulty identifying pitches across different instruments. I did a little bit of just random checking (with a piano or other instrument on occasion) just to make sure I was correct, but I never really actively did too much to improve it. I'm no Dylan Beato though (look him up, the level of ear training he has is much higher than mine and is a combination of perfect pitch, relative pitch, and theory knowledge that I wish I had enough of to do the same insane feats of aural testing he can do). 3. I think sometimes having perfect pitch can make me get too caught up in the details and thus lose the big picture; at the beginning of my aural training, I would've heard a C, an E, and a G, and then I'd have to force myself to think of/accept that whole sound as a C major chord. I've gotten a lot better at seeing the big picture as of now and I partially have jazz/other harmonically complex music to thank for this. I would literally go insane if I tried to think of every note in a jazz chord, so the extensions/colorations helped me develop my brain along with my ears. Hearing that the base chord is C, but then is colored with your 6, maj7, 9, and #11 is a lot better than hearing it as C D E F# G A B lol 4. There are certain sounds that it's just really hard to hear any pitch at all (whispering, for example, is pitchless) but most sounds to some extent do have a recognizable pitch. I'd say the hardest things are any kind of microtonal/foreign tuning/scale systems because as someone who grew up with the Western 12-tone system, it messes with my senses (not even necessarily in a bad way, it can be very cool) but it makes identifying a pitch much harder. If something is inbetween a B and a C, I'll probably be able to tell which it's closer to, but it'll be hard for me to think about it. I also have a hard time intentionally singing out of tune (for example, when choruses go sharp or flat as a group, I'll stay on pitch, which can actually present problems if we're acapella... I'm doing my best to learn to go with whatever's happening, but it still catches me off-guard). No instruments in particular, unless you count ethnic instruments with different tuning systems. 5. Most of the time. Sometimes I don't remember the key at all and usually, that makes remembering the melody hard for me. I usually noodle around with intervals until I find something that sounds good or remember the original key. Yes, I can think of a song and have it be correct. I'd just like to say, the myth that perfect pitch makes transposing harder? Absolute bogus. The only reason why that would be is if you're stubborn, or if you didn't have the theory skills necessary to do so. 6. Listening to music that doesn't strictly use 12TET (12-tone equal temperament) can mess with my head quite a bit. I listened to a lot of barbershop music a year ago (the stuff absolutely slaps btw) and they use harmonic seventh tuning in their dominant seventh chords, which threw me off at the time and made it hard for me to recenter my perfect pitch without listening to something with a bit of a stricter tuning. I've gotten better as I've done more choral work since then, but lots of things being out of tune with my perfect pitch (from my perspective, they may not actually be out of tune in the context of the music) can definitely spin me around a few times. 7. I don't think I understand the question, could you restate that? Sorry haha Hope that helped!

[@avokyu]

Will you put out any ear training lessons or do you already have some available? I love the story of your journey. I'd like to take on similar ear training. Thanks!

[@pickinstone]

Check out Bruce Arnold, over at Muse-eek dot com. Bruce was one of Banacos's star students. Ear training, in Banacos's method, is purely contextual. Interval training doesn't fit in to his method. It's all about, "How does this note relate to this tonal center, harmonic palette, or note collection?" Right now I am strengthening my ability to hold on to a key center for longer periods of time, so I don't modulate and lose my home key reference... I have a couple of really shoddy videos on my channel that explain Contextual Ear Training where I apply these principals to Just Friends and Stablemates. I've been studying Banacos's ear training materials, through Bruce Arnold's mp3's, going on 13 years. I listen to them everyday, maybe I took a week off in the 13 years I've committed to these studies. Ear training, as I remarked on another video, is a life long endeavor. You can learn to hear harmony, voicings (like orchestrated voicings, not just piano or guitar) advanced chord substitutions, rhythm, and phrasing. In my world, the ear is what brings all the theory to life--the ear is king. If people committed the same amount of time to ear training as they do to... Chord Scale Theory... I hate to say it, but we'd have more people absolutely killing on the band stand. About perfect pitch, there's a lot of horn players that have horn specific "perfect pitch" because they memorized the timbre of each note on their horn. Jeff, there's a whole family of people that studied with Banacos. He's a legend, in my mind--in the same league as Dennis Sandole. Do you still have any of his correspondence tapes?

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

I have a few videos up. Search my name and ear training on KZbin. I’ll link in the video description as well.

[@spacevspitch4028]

@@pickinstone I'm a bit of a Bruce Arnold nut myself! I made it through all the basics and the first level of 2-note eartraining and started 3-note but I started feeling like I need a different approach to the modulation thing. My ears don't modulate very readily in a situation like his "cadence-note-chord-note" sequence. I tend to always hear the C as the tonic still. It's frustrating!

[@pickinstone]

@@spacevspitch4028 13 years later, even after committing to the Banaco's material that Bruce digitized every day (yes, I train my ear every day)--I'm still not bored. In the past couple of months, Bruce went from ear training against a simple cadence to ear training against an ENTIRE SONG. In the past couple of days I've noticed something in my hearing that was never an observation before. That is, each phrase that you play is dependent on the ENTIRE phrase you played before. I used to think that all I had to worry about was about voice leading the last note of a phrase. But when you listen to master improvisers like Coltrane or Oliver Nelson or Parker, you realize that each phrase builds on the next. I realized this with my ears, not with rote theory. The ear picks up on subtitles that the mind may overlook. My ear is my secret weapon now, and forever more.

[@spacevspitch4028]

@@pickinstone That's awesome! Do you work with him directly or through email correspondence?

[@ttruiett]

Ok but can any coders makes a website that mimics this relative pitch training??? Would absolutely donate to something like that

[@PhilDoughty]

tonedear.com

[@kenneho]

Not a comment the the content in the video in particular, but perfect pitch in general: I was in my mid 20s when I finally discovered that tones had different sounds - just as visual colors look different, different tones sound different. I'd spent years trying to understand what perfect pitch was, and when I discovered these tone "colors" I finally got it - just like F# has one particular sound "color", F has a very different sound color. This is identical to visual colors - the visual color red has one color, while purple has its own distinct color. I could play an say F on my guitar, gradually bend it towards and F# and hear how the "color" of the tone gradually went from how an F sounds to how an F# sounds. I could play an out of tune F, and tell you that it was out of tune becuse it didn't have that particular sound an F usually has. Furthermore, you can be very good at identifying tones without hearing these colors, just as you can be very good at identifying the color red in a black-and-white movie based on where on the gray scale red appears on the screen, but it's not the same as hearing the sound "colors". I would be very surprised if those great musicians with perfect pitch didn't hear these colors, but based their tone recognition on memorizing pitches because all tones sounded the same. Developing perfect pitch as an adult is indeed very possible, but you have to practice it just as you practice relative pitch and every other aspect of ear training.

[@8CountAudio]

I’ve had music teachers say I have perfect pitch but I feel like it’s more of a strong relative pitch (sometimes when hearing an iso pitch I’ll be off by a half step). Either way I think relative pitch is a valuable skill whereas perfect pitch is a fun quirk.

[@onesyphorus]

I remember as a kid my siblings and I would do a capella covers in the car, and sometimes I'd notice that we were all singing a bit too low, and my siblings would all agree. then as I got older, maybe like once when i was 12 I remember just knowing the guitar open strings, and the default major and minor chords every guitarist usually learns in their first year. then I got a T sax a year later and knew C# B A G F E D C Bb aswell. I didn't know perfect pitch, and honestly I'd say it may've got slightly developed when i noticed the guitar. plus my brother and his two friends who are also brothers all learnt it, 3 of us using the guitar. I wasn't really the piano dude growing up, everyone played guitar. The C# on the T sax is the same as the B on guitar, and Alto's C# is an E. Afaik, none of us were _"Little children"_ yes we were young, but not like 4 years old for eg. Also what about perfect rhythm? My brothers friend (the guy who himself and his brother have perfect pitch) is a professional drummer and he knows BPM markings of by heart. I have NEVER heard one bragging of perfect rhythm, so I think if one can't learn perfect pitch, _Then some others can't learn 'perfect rhythm'_ either!. i personally think it's memorization, and that perfect pitch is on a gradient. most of us can tell apart warped tracks, yeah, even the ones who roll joints while listening to some vaporwave! the timbre is different. Saxologic uploaded a video on something like this, AND YEAH CHRIS POTTER learnt this timbre technique thingy. I know the perfect pitch purists can go after me and say i don't, and fine, what ever. just know that Collier knows the exact cent, lol. sorry this comment is all a mess, i'll try and explain my points if anyone is further interested

[@wiltisdabest]

Did you never try to learn true pitch? It kinda helps too. It's sort of a party trick though. At least at the level I have it at.

[@anthonysilva5312]

Would like to see an ear training program

[@Pablittttoo]

Functional Ear Training

[@PaulsonJeanty]

Very interesting, great advice

[@peterpfukwa]

make a podcast man!

[@NicholasSpanos]

Podcast? YES!!!

[@Tabu11211]

It was really awesome thanks for that.

[@Kamen1]

Funny that you said that you ask people how they got perfect pitch. I asked people how they're able to freestyle off the top (improvising words), I got very very vague answers. Can I go off the top, not really but I understand a little bit better by doing some research.

[@BrianKabalaMusic]

this was awesome

[@It.wasnt_me]

Holy spiderman Batman, all my senses are tingling ... You're right, Robin.

[@guszimbalist8416]

Do a podcast bro

[@walterearl6456]

Pretty kool thanks for sharing

[@rekindled3624]

Completely agree with you. My answer to the question is pretty similar to yours. Furthermore, there are plenty of musicians with perfect pitch. Chris Potter being one of them. Honestly, maybe a few centuries ago it was necessary to have perfect pitch, cause training was much harder and a less developed field, but now it simply isn't

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

When I was younger, I remember being convinced that Potter must have perfect pitch. What a relief when I found out he did not.

[@ertwro]

I did develop perfect pitch. It took almost two years testing myself and memorizing notes in different instruments by using the musictheory.net free site exercise without a reference tone and piano input. They have a version for iPhone. People told me it was impossible or that I would benefit a lot more from using my time for relative pitch. Well, I did it and that's all I care.

[@sargek7]

Everything in life can be achieved. Good for you man 👍🏻

[@Platinum_XYZ]

As a perfect pitch person myself, F# makes me think of All Star.

[@DragonflyKBS]

Love it

[@thynkerjunior303]

I love this

[@insevered2730]

I can recognize the notes this way the first note u played was a g I new it because it is the first note in Ls theme in death note and so I can recognize it then u played an f# I know that because it’s the first note in giornos theme idk I don’t think I have perfect pitch

[@tomscott1741]

I can fake perfect pitch, by playing my instrument in my head to find out where the music's at LOL

[@tomscott1741]

I wish somebody else would try this to see if it will work for other people, it works for me every time

[@search2077]

you have "true pitch"

[@search2077]

what instrument is the one that you hear in your head?

[@tomscott1741]

@@search2077clarinet and saxophone

[@search2077]

@@tomscott1741 sounds about right

[@LiamBarnwell]

Very cool

[@sincocuerdas]

Back in the 80's when there was only Guitar Player, Jeff Berlin would always talk about Charlie Banacos.......I would've traveled as much as you did to get lessons from him. Alas, I lived halfway around the globe......my bass career was and is still influenced by Jeff Berlin, so that's as close as I got to Charlie. Rick Beato also talks about how adults can NOT develop perfect pitch. Controversial but worth watching.

[@charlesgould8436]

Beato is wrong

[@SG-ig2eu]

I'm sorry to bother you but I have been trying this relative pitch thing for a while now. years actually. i found an app by the name of "functional ear trainer" and its great it does exactly what you described your teacher was doing for you. but you mentioned going all the way up to 11 notes at once. this seems like a level that is out of reach for me. I started with single notes and two and three. i even did triads in all sorts of inversions. 7th chords as well. (to me, 7th chords are easier to identify as they have more personality per chord due to there being more notes. but this doesn't really translate well when listening to actual music. I cant identify the chord progression of a song without an instrument. sometimes i can hear the V7-I progression in classical music. I'm not sure what it is. but modern music isn't as easy. maybe its because I train on a piano and these songs aren't including piano? any advice? perhaps you could make a video on this workout? either way, thank you for your time

[@aeneasstrozier8944]

Beverly mass represent!

[@batlin]

I so want to develop perfect pitch, despite no evidence that it can be achieved during adulthood. But we know that neurogenesis happens during our whole lives, contrary to previous belief. Still, I even wrote a little web "game" designed to teach perfect pitch, and... so far it hasn't worked :-/

[@Gusrikh1]

Very interesting....

[@camkcoffee]

Me gusta

[@RS54321]

Why the annoying pulsating circle while you're talking? I had to scroll away from it b/c it was driving me nuts.

[@nealgrindstaff8651]

You have a great voice for a podcast, and I think other than LearnJazzStandards, there's not much in the way of jazz podcasts with a more instructional vibe. I think if you want to do a podcast, you could literally just talk about jazz and what you can grab out of certain albums or what have you. So my little piece of criticism, this doesn't play like a podcast, it plays like an audiobook. That's cool and all, but from a dude that listens to podcasts and audiobooks almost as much as jazz, I think you should definitely get another dude on that likes the same music as you and just talk about it long form. Edit: I forgot to say, I always love the content, Jeff. Just wanted to give my two cents out because that type of podcast would be a dream come true.

[@pickinstone]

Listen to "You'll Hear It" with Adam Maness and Peter Martin. Adam is a great pianist, and Peter Martin... I"ll let you look him up on Google to see who he's played with. He's also RIDICULOUSLY funny!

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

Thanks for the feedback. This is definitely more of a produced style podcast e.g. Radio Lab. If I bring guests on to interview it will definitely take on other flavors that I think you’ll like. Still gotta feel it out over here on my end. Will try another go soon.

[@nealgrindstaff8651]

@@pickinstone been listening this morning. I kind of wish each episode was longer, but luckily their intro is only like a minute or something. Thanks so much for the suggestion!

[@loco46m]

I have perfect pitch for as long as I can remember, and I'm very grateful, but also very frustrated. I've never actually had music lessons. I just copied songs I heard on the radio with my little piano as a child. Sure, it's cool and can come in handy, but I feel like an outsider. I LOVE jazz, and I can "feel" it, but I can't "explain" it or even replicate it at times. People would say that what I play sounds good, but I wouldn't be able to repeat it, because I don't have the science behind it. I don't even know where I can begin to learn, so that I can actually explain how I "feel" or what I played. In a slighty imperfect analogy, I feel like I can read minds, but am mute myself. I wish I had a teacher that could sit with me patiently and map out a learning path for me.

[@IainEmslie]

I know one very talented pianist and theory teacher who claims he consciously developed perfect pitch

[@TheAmazingHuman-Man]

I’m trying to do it now. I’m keeping track of my progress/practice like in a journal because I want to be able to recount my story if I ever succeed. I’m at least 6 and a half hours in and have made good progress with my musical ear regardless. I’m working hard at this because I believe it’s possible despite what everyone says. I think it will be very hard and requires changing the way I think, which is easier said than done, but it doesn’t make sense to me that it’s impossible.

[@maurods3151]

@@TheAmazingHuman-Man Any progress or you gave up like everyone else?

[@TheAmazingHuman-Man]

@@maurods3151 Not yet. I do think i’m making good progress though. My main goal is to play songs by ear on the piano. Perfect pitch is just a means to an end. I just bought a piano recently and basically shifted my practice towards that. I sit down for about 1 hour everyday and just do my best to play by ear. The start was rough, but I’m improving rapidly. By all means it seems like I am at least gaining the ability to replicate notes on the piano first try without any reference and I don’t see much of a difference between that and perfect pitch. Eventually when I get good enough, I think I will be able to name any note by just thinking about what key I would hit on my piano. I think anyone is capable of pp if you can mimic a note with your voice. I’m just learning that skill with my hands instead of voice and with an instrument like piano you get to make the association between sound and note names.

[@maurods3151]

@@TheAmazingHuman-Man That's actually very interesting, can I ask you in future for more updates?

[@TheAmazingHuman-Man]

@@maurods3151 Absolutely. Your comment made me laugh because I had forgotten about this comment and I’m just as surprised that I haven’t given up on this hobby like I have with so many others. Music is just very important to me so I don’t expect to stray from my practice.

[@elegatocaprice8816]

This is just me, but I think relative pitch hinders developing perfect pitch. Seems like my brain tends to focus on the intervals rather than individual notes.

[@Bruno-Lee]

glad i have it since 3yo

[@kaymeng2185]

I have perfect pitch, but I want relative pitch!!

[@tonylancer7367]

I think for me (and probably other musos), I identify keys using songs that I know. C or G is relatively easy to pick out but black keys (F# or Bb) can be a little bit more tricky, but I use gospel songs to find those keys.

[@unicorn4585]

Q+as yo 3 Vf2 7

[@HB-ve4wi]

Great podcast, perfectly pitched! (Sorry ..). I don't have perfect pitch, but if I imagine myself playing a particular note on the saxophone, I can usually imagine what it sounds like. For example, if I imagine myself playing an F# I can usually sing it. But I have to really focus.

[@rafagxjunglezz]

Its called 'True Pitch'

[@rafagxjunglezz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYWVY62nnJWdrKc

[@HB-ve4wi]

@@rafagxjunglezz Yes, thanks. The difference is that I'm much better at it when I use the sax rather than the keyboard. It's because, as a sax player, I can 'feel' the pitch on my instrument. It's embodied.

[@JeffSchneiderMusic]

I can relate to this as well as a fellow saxophonist. And I always find it interesting how I can (most of the time, not always) sing a song in the correct key with a reference note. The ear is one mysterious appendage! Still, those abilities haven’t helped me too much in the world of improvisation.

[@HB-ve4wi]

@@JeffSchneiderMusic Yep exactly - no help at all! Back to the shed ....

[@danielx40]

You didn’t spend enough time. 10000 hours and you’ll get it. It’s like playing piano -people spend decades to be good at it. We can work on it for a month or two and conclude that we don’t “have” it.

[@6pades]

i envy you, i have perfect pitch but i know next to no music theory haha

[@caleblee255]

stayed up till 1am (GMT+8) hoping to catch the online masterclass but video is unavailable 😤😤😤