I Try To Charge A Rivian and a Bolt EV On a Tesla Supercharger With NACS (J3400) to CCS1 Adapters

Ford's electric vehicles gained access to the Tesla Supercharger network on February 29th and the next day I tried to use the same adapter (and a few others) to initiate a charging session on a Supercharger with my Rivian R1S and my Chevy Bolt EV.
Neither Chevrolet nor Rivian vehicles are authorized to use the Supercharger network yet - they will be soon, but I thought I might be able to trick the supercharger into thinking I was charging my Ford F-150 Lightning, so I gave it a try - actually a few tries.
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Watch a Ford F-150 Lightning charge on a Tesla Supercharger with the NACS (J3400) to CCS1 adapter: • Ford Gets Tesla Superc...
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:47 How I'm going to try to do this
01:55 I try to charge the Rivian R1S with the official Tesla adapter
03:08 I try to use the A2Z and Lectron adapters on the RIvian R1S
07:27 I try to charge the Bolt EV with the Tesla Adapter
08:34 I try to use the A2Z and Lectron adapters on the Bolt EV
11:14 Outro
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[@mrrkrr]

"No juice for you Mary Barra”

[@JohnRoss1]

Somebody has to make a meme using the chef with Musk's face 🍲

[@gregpochet4812]

That Model 3 driver knew there was an open charger. He was just ticked off you had a Bolt there. He was trying to make a point to you in a passive aggressive way.

[@JK_Vegas]

I'm actually curious if the Tesla wanted the Bolt to move or just for Tom to step over a little. I'm hoping the latter

[@gregpochet4812]

@@JK_Vegas The spot Tom is standing in is useless to the Tesla. The Bolt , from a Tesla perspective, is parked in the wrong spot for that charger he is using.

[@williamclark6466]

Thank you for demonstrating that this doesn't work yet. We are given timelines for the different vehicle manufacturer's models. There must be reasons for this. - Probably to help distribute the technology load that the many thousands of extra vehicles will put on the system so that issues can be resolved with one company before adding a whole bunch more complexity. Let's play that by the rules and not make this difficult for Tesla, whom is so graciously opening up their network to us all and wants to make it the best experience possible.

[@terrya6486]

Chevy engineers where spotted at a supercharger testing adapters on a f150 lightning yesterday.

[@Sylvan_dB]

Chevy folks with an F150. That's gotta sting.

[@Nabeelco]

@@Sylvan_dB Brands buying their competition for research is a common practice.

[@Meatsweats_o_O]

tesla bought toyota's and honda's to take them apart and learn from those companies manufacturing processes.@@Sylvan_dB

[@SteveBirkett]

10:40 -- Missed opportunity to reply "do you know who I am?" (I know that's not Tom at all, but still... ⚡👑)

[@EV-365]

Be cool Tom!!! Don’t mess that Rivian up! Thanks for trying. We were all thinking it!

[@mikesiegfried3228]

Tom, I would be very interested if the aftermarket adapters work on the Ford lightning?? Any chance you could try that?

[@MegaHops1]

I charged my lighting with the A2z and the Tesla app no problem.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@MegaHops1 I take it they're going to sell a lot of those with all the wait time Ford is telling their customers. Ford should have opened the ordering process long before Tesla opened up for them. As Tom proved, they would not have been able to charge until Tesla allowed them.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Remember Tom covered how charging companies are putting into their agreements that only official adapter supplied by the OEMs should be used or they will not be liable for damages that could happen if the adapter malfunctions. The Tesla supplied adapter from Ford is rated at 500v at 1000 KW continuous current. Far higher than the 400v/250 KW that the Tesla v3 supercharger delivers today. This means that the adapter is probably made to also use Tesla v4 chargers that may one day be changed to deliver up to 1000 KW. Right now they deliver only 350 KW

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

They work, already tried. I'll have a video in about a week.

[@fjalics]

​@@nickmcconnell1291Your reasoning is correct. The j3400 standard can operate at either 500 or 1000 volts. It does not specify max current, as long as you keep it at a reasonable temperature. To get to 1000kw, you would need something like 1000 Volts x 1000 amps. Tesla has hit 900 amps in a test.

[@NSFWHarold]

This was exactly the test I was looking for. Thanks Tom.

[@Paul-lp7zp]

Tom, you’re killing me when you put your phone down like that.

[@MrDeezy510]

It wouldn’t be difficult to read the vehicles information when plugged into the charger. It’s really easy, when it’s a Tesla or Ford at the communication handshake, it allows to charge. They will update the SC over the air when they are ready for those vehicles.

[@dushandesilva2595]

Great job Tom. Thank you for the video

[@nycameleon]

Thanks for showing the cable reaches

[@MatthewSerta1]

THIS is the video I wanted to see. Thank You

[@guccisasha]

Ty Tom, I will try my A2Z adapter today on my lightening at the Tesla supercharger.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

It works, I've been using mine

[@KaiPonte]

This was great. I believe your Lightning and my Mach-e received an update to allow our cars to communicate with the Tesla network. I haven't public charged for several months, but will try this on an upcoming road trip.

[@vancity2349]

Great video Tom.

[@derylhunt4494]

Great video, thanks Tom

[@Demy26]

Thanks Tom

[@dondol7214]

Nice informative demonstrative video. I now know my Bolt won't work with a TESLA Supercharger. I tried this myself with a ccs to 1779 adapter and it didn't work. I had a TESLA owner come up to me and passionately say they weren't compatible. Strange after parking in the mall at a normal spot I found paint scratch marks near my charge port. TESLA drivers are the biggest serial violators of leaving their cars parked connected to a non-TESLA charger long after charging is complete, but passive aggressive about someone attempting to connect to a TESLA supercharger. Some of my best friends are TESLA owners, but there's truth to the reputation of TESLA owners.

[@carsonassociates3263]

Tom, since you’ve shown us that right now only Fords are authorized, I think that what most of us are asking is, which of the other two adapters (A2Z or Lectron) works best with Fords? The Ford adapter isn’t going to be delivered anytime soon (or in time for summer road trips)- I reserved mine on Day 1 and the confirmation email said delivery in July. So, if I want to supercharge before then, I’ll have to pick up one of the 3rd-party adapters.

[@lemongavine]

Maybe someone will let you borrow their adapter for your road trip? Do you have any friends or relatives who own an F150 Lightning or Mach-E getting their adapter sooner? Long shot, but worth a try. Actually, Ford should send a couple to each dealer to lend-out.

[@lanceeverett5108]

Thank you, this clarifies everything. We must wait until the brand makes a deal with Tesla. Hopefully BMW gets on this.

[@junehanzawa5165]

Tom, you can now charge your Rivian on superchargers. Can't wait for your video on it.

[@Galileo9.81]

Thanks for the video. Well made. I am still not accepting my R1S delivery simply because of this issue. Luckily, Rivian allowed me to defer the delivery indefinitely. I assume that they are quite desperate. R1S isn't cheap either. I have driven 2 Tesla's for over 3 years and did 2 transcontinental trips, and I had never had any issue with charging. Tesla is still the king of EVs.

[@JBsC6]

Well done Tom!

[@berdugosocials9854]

Error 400, great job QAs 👏

[@ericnewton5720]

We also learned that some Tesla drivers can’t see open chargers.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Source?

[@user-sj6hd8lb1x]

did u watch the video?@@rogerstarkey5390

[@AndrewMackoul]

I find that with the A2Z adapter, it's easier to lock it first before plugging in the NACS side. I found it difficult to slide the lock with it already connected.

[@phillyphil1513]

10:40 - the first conflict with the CCS Flash Mob begins...

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Depends if "CCS drivers" arrive with the explicit aim of being "D" heads? I really can't see that happening (/s)

[@ron-manke]

The new Bolt adapter is shipping for NACS. Many people on Facebook have been able to preorder it, and apparently there are 300 in stock in Michigan.

[@victorbobier3416]

You tried, at least you found out if the adapters work and how they work.

[@djsm1769]

Thanks appreciate it 🙏🏼

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@JK_Vegas]

Now you need to try and charge your Lightning at V3 station that's not on the approved list. I'm sure the same thing will happen but it's worth a try!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The chargers have updated electronics. Tesla technicians have retrofitted 15,000(?) chargers, so the others won't work.

[@JK_Vegas]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Yes Mach-E VLOG YT page tried it and it didn't work. They were at a 250KW charger that was not on the list. No workie

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@JK_Vegas Kyle Conner confirmed that Tesla techs have been "Working hard" to update the contracted amount of chargers.

[@mrdsn189]

Thank you!

[@Ac-55]

Tom, you can use the adapters in a Tesla supercharger setup with Magic dock. Just don't use the magic doc and connect the adapter to the cable. Can you test the adapters? Many have ordered the Lectron NACS adapter but, they haven't disclose the delivery date yet. Thanks for what your do. Your videos are great!

[@RayNLA]

Further proof that it’s all about the software!

[@johnpoldo8817]

Tom, thanks for trying the Rivian & Chevy with 3 adapters. Any idea when MB will be compatible?

[@lawrenceasero2207]

As a Tesla M3 and a VW ID.4 owner I can't wait until VW becomes connected to the Tesla Supercharging network but as a Tesla owner I am not looking forward to congested Supercharger sites. I too am from New Jersey and down the road from where Tom was, new Electrify America DC fast charging stations have opened. I was in the area and checked them out. Invariably like all EA chargers in NJ they were all occupied. Last night we were in Hackensack at dual EA and Tesla superchargers and almost all chargers both Tesla and EA were occupied. I noticed a Tesla with Taxi and Limousine plates from New York pulling in to charge. Many ride share drivers are driving EV's now. I charge at home and never have to charge at DC fast chargers. I get the free 3 years of charging from VW but it is not worth it waiting in line to save a few pennies. As Tom has said in previous videos the car manufactures should stop with this free charging. It's clogging up the chargers and causing folks on road trips longer wait times. Fortunately, I know of three Tesla Supercharger stations within a 30 mile radius, one has just opened and two are wrapped awaiting connection. And hopefully soon we will see the infrastructure money kicking in and more fast chargers deployed.

[@BillB33525]

ID 4 owners will continue to overcrowd CCS chargers BC of the free juice.

[@lawrenceasero2207]

Yes big mistake by VW

[@advandermeer740]

Hey Tom, How do the adapters compare in UX? Does it take more force the connect and disconnect the different adapters?

[@robertrobertson5120]

Very interesting Tom, fyi, I do not have a connection issue at Amaco, Shell or any others. Keep doing what you're doing! Very interesting!

[@danchen6783]

Got an Amoco at your house? Charged publicly 2 times in 6 years. Just wake up with a full battery every day of the year and never have to worry.

[@robertrobertson5120]

@@danchen6783 ... I don't need a charge point at my home. Only when I get away from home.

[@dgtlrssn]

I wish I could find out when my Ariya will get Tesla super charging, everything I see just says in 2024

[@musicjohn1]

Would it be easier to remove the Tesla charge handle before you remove the adaptor from the car? Then remove the adaptor? I realize you would need to stop the charging with the app or car before doing this, to avoid using the safety disconnect relay every time.

[@adamucf]

What about activating with the Ford Pass app? I wonder if that has the same vehicle validation built in since it's likely a different activation path on the backend

[@davidhanna92]

Tom, did the 3rd party adapters work with your Ford? I seen you hint at it, but I'm not sure.

[@jamespresuto8671]

Great video. Live 5 miles from the Wawa Tesla station. I just got a Ioniq 6 and use the EA station on the other side of the highway. Always had a spot open when I need to charge. I think Hyundai is way down on the list when they will be available. Let me know the next time your in town and you can use your adapters on my car.

[@deucedaprodeuca]

I wonder if he'd ask you to move had you been charging your Ford, and if so, would you? I surely would... Not 😂

[@codymck23]

Why did the Tesla M3 driver ask you to move if a charger was obviously available?

[@Robert-pm6bm]

When did this happen? Can you time stamp it?

[@Trades46]

Tesla owners being passive aggressive that "inferior" non-Teslas are using THEIR Superchargers? No way.../s

[@Foxfried]

Passive agressive Tesla drivers expect more of this now that other evs can charge.

[@Robert-pm6bm]

Found it, @10:41. He asked nicely. It’s easy to overlook sometimes.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@Robert-pm6bm Not all Tesla drivers are dicks. But there're always the exceptions and have to be corrected just like Tom did. Most of us don't mind at all.

[@steveparedes3296]

Hey Tom do you know when they will allow Cadillac Lyriq owners charge on Tesla charging network ?

[@user-ff8vj7zi4e]

Did you try the Bolt and Rivian at the charging station near your home? Or can you only charge them through the Tesla App?

[@riseofthejackolanterns]

Did you get the A2Z adapter work with the Lightning?

[@WestCoastChicano]

I'm a proud 2023 Bolt EV owner and I'm bummed that GM is dragging it's feet. They were supposed to have access around the same time frame as Ford. I haven't heard a single rumor about when GM is going to get access other than springtime. Spring ends in June so I wouldn't be surprised if GM owners have to wait that long. I'm guessing it would be due to their disastrous Ultium rollout. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙 🇺🇸 🔌⚡

[@sprockkets]

I heard march...

[@TroySavary]

Why would you think that it is GM dragging their feet? Tesla is the company in charge of allowing access.

[@WestCoastChicano]

@@TroySavary A few of months ago Tesla announced that Ford and GM would have access to their network in February. All I've heard since was everything Ford has been doing to make it happen while it's been nothing but radio silence from GM. Maybe it is Tesla but at least GM should give it's customers a status update.

[@TechnicalLee]

Tesla is in charge of who goes next. Ford was the first to adopt NACS so they go first. Rivian and GM should be next.

[@robertfaulkner7152]

Sad thing is the Bolt will probably charge at 47kwh or probably start a fire.

[@garyclark6747]

Is either A2Z or Lectron the authorized equipment by the Rivian or GM? If not then technically this violates Tesla’s policies. 🤭It’s to early to tell but if every manufacturer does what Ford/Tesla did then third party adapters may exist but use will all be at liability of the user. So vehicle damage won’t be covered under warranty and Stall damage will be at the users expense because you know everyone has the details of what app and what vehicle started charging last and has an obvious malfunction. I know I could manage the hardware but that looked like too much to ask of my wife. Especially the post charging cable/adapter separation. That made native CCS charging look easy.🤷🏻 I hope you brought your temperature gun for the trip. 11:40

[@johncrow9952]

We learned much from this!

[@computerbob06]

0:15 Come to Europe Tom. Do it all the time! But seriously, I don't see much content out there of American V4 Superchargers! Do they exist? Because over here they are all contactless and therefore open to all! Edit: Literally next video on my feed was Kyle's test of the V4! 😂

[@ilovepinktacos]

Tesla is reading the car’s computer to see if it’s compatible especially reading authorized manufacturer

[@salvadorbarreiros9376]

You need to try “ford” adapter on Rivian one it’s open to Rivian 👍

[@DAVIDTATLITUG]

So, right now Tesla chargers with magic docks will work on almost all CCS cars but the adapter will only work if authorized.

[@lanceareadbhar]

And magic docks are very limited and any EVs with 800 Volt architecture like Hyundai's Ioniq 5 will get much slower charging than at a normal CCS fast charger. This should hopefully not be an issue when Hyundai gets officially moved to Tesla's Supercharger network next year using a CCS adapter like the one Ford is using.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It's looking like Magic Dock was the "pre arrangement" solution. Basically "we're going to do it anyway, so why not join and do it properly?" It had the desired effect. (Only took 10 years for others to see sense)

[@777Outrigger]

Some people say that the revenue from non-Teslas using Superchargers will be insignificant. I don't think that's true. There are now 27,000 Superchargers in North America, growing at over 8000/yr. Do the math. That's another 48,000 in 6 years, meaning over 75,000 total. That's gonna be a be chunk of the Fast Charging network in the US, with a lot of non-Teslas charging at Superchargers. I think the revenue for Tesla from this will be very significant.

[@BillB33525]

It's been predicted revenue from the SuC Network could eventually eclipse car sales revenue.

[@777Outrigger]

@@BillB33525 At first, so many said it would not be important. But now most are saying it will be big.

[@user-sn7gb5cy2j]

Not great news but, Informative as usual

[@sidlierle2710]

Tom, did you try to add the Bolt or the Rivian to your Tesla app? I was able to add my Lucid to my Tesla app but I do not have an adapter.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, they are added.

[@Yanquetino]

THANK YOU, Tom! I've been very curious to see if this would work, both with a different EV and a different adapter. I appreciate you taking the time -and hassle- to do this experiment. Looks like I'll have to wait quite a while before I'll be able to charge my Ioniq 5 at a Supercharger. Evidently other EVs need to have an "authorized" update or app for this to work.

[@Yanquetino]

Follow up, question, Tom: can your A2Z Typhoon and Lectron Vortex adapters charge with your Ford Lightning? I'm sure owners would like to know that those 3rd-party alternatives DO work -albeit only with "authorized" EVs.

[@mikecarter2737]

In the interest of science, I would suggest testing with a Ford BEV on THAT particular dispenser before making definitive statements regarding the other adapters and vehicles. I have a J-dapter that failed on a couple of destination chargers lately - if I had stopped testing, I might have said the J-dapter was broken instead of discovering the lock out capabilities of the latest Tesla AC EVSEs.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I did the next day to make sure it worked

[@271830066]

HELP! What is the best way to extend range of a EV CAR? Should I change registration from HIGH to LOW when I’m traveling on the road or keep it in HIGH generation mode. What do you suggest?

[@TassieEV]

If a person had 3 different EV's from different manufacturers say can you use the one adapter for all of them?(once the network is open to everyone that has signed up) So use the Ford adapter with GM, Rivian, VW, etc rather than have to pack around the exact adapter from the car manufacturer you happen to be driving at the time or use one of the approved 3rd party ones instead?

[@leonardpezzano5216]

What about the Lyriq? Any word on when it might be authorized? Same time at the Chevy Volt? Do you know if GM will have Tesla build their adapter? Same one as Ford's?

[@michael.sierra]

Chevy Volt will never be authorized, it is a PHEV that does not have CCS, only J1772. That said, I suspect all eligible GMs... Bolt, Lyriq, Hummer EV, etc. will go online at the same time.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

I would imagine there's a "strong suggestion" from Tesla that if the adapter isn't theirs the vehicle manufacturers assume liability in case of cable or vehicle "electrical contact issues" (Although, even using the Tesla adapter wouldn't make Tesla immediately responsible)

[@enp82003]

Two questions will these non-teska cars charge at the same speeds teslas charge at? Also will the cost of voltage be more for non-tesla drivers?

[@NAY2GAS]

Hi Tom!

[@ClickToPreview]

Pretty sure the Chevy Bolt has a max charge cap of 32 amps, so there's no way to "supercharge" them. V3 Superchargers run at 415 amps, and V4's are 615 amps.

[@pinkiepie1656]

50 or so AMPS. 32 is the limit for level 2 charging.

[@gregpochet4812]

Older Bolts had a max 32 amps for L2 and some did not have DCFC. The newer bolts , I think 2020+, all have a max of 48 amps for L2, have DCFC with a max of 55kw. Very slow DCFC , but they can use DCFC.

[@pinkiepie1656]

@gregpochet4812 indeed, but the 2020 that I have caps at 32amps L2. Good enough for my use anyway:)

[@Crisbas45]

Do you have any additional charges to take your Lightning to the super chargers ?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

£12.99 per month for the "Tesla owner" price. . But if the Tesla price is 30¢ cheaper (say 45 Vs 75¢ per kWh) that's just 43kW and you're winning, so well worth it, especially since you know it "just works"

[@777Outrigger]

There are several V3s near me that are not available to non-Tesla CCS cars, according to Tesla's Find Us page. Many that are, but a few that aren't. One unavailable V3 is in remote Alamosa, Colorado, several in the urban Denver area. Wonder what the criteria are that Tesla uses to make some V3s unavailable?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Kyle already covered this. . Tesla technicians updated electronics on 15,000 units. Probably based on use data (most "other user" activity in the area and Tesla locations with sufficient spare capacity?... Guessing) . So the criteria is. 1) Upgraded charger. . 2) Brand authorisation. . 3) Vehicle firmware with Comms protocol. . MAYBE 4) Adapter brand *might* follow? (That would annoy people, but if Tesla wants to cover their back.... May be wise. Otherwise we KNOW the first "Lightning or other" fire using a "not Tesla OEM" adapter will STILL be reported as "Tesla charger burns other brand vehicle"

[@777Outrigger]

@@rogerstarkey5390 You misunderstand. My question is WHY some V3s are upgraded or not upgraded.

[@Magicinstalls]

I've got one more question for you Tom. Ford is sending me an adapter For MY 23 Mach E gt Performance. My question is I REALLY need it for my E transit. I can get by most work days on 100 miles, but there are days I don't have enough charge. I then have to scramble to find an EA charger and when I do, they are always full! I then have to find another charger @ 50kwh and spend an hour! I guess I'll find out soon enough and keep everyone posted...

[@scottgabbard662]

Aren’t they free? I would go ahead and get even if you never use it for that time you resell the vehicle or if in the unlikely event your other one fails or wears out.

[@TechnicalLee]

You can order one for your E-transit too. They are giving out one per VIN.

[@peterwright837]

Any idea when Kia’s will be able to charge on the Tesla supercharger network and how much power we will be able to get?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Ask Kia?

[@MichaelKirven]

What if you tried it with the Ford supplied CCS >NACS adapter? Good one, Tom.

[@anthonyc8499]

the Tesla/Ford adapter is the first one he tried for both cars.

[@MichaelKirven]

@@anthonyc8499 my bad

[@LucianMStan]

When will mb eqe will be able to charge at tesla superchargers?

[@Mladjasmilic]

Do these adapter have any electronics inside?

[@4rwayner7]

My quandary as an ID4 owner is if VW will supply an adapter or should I order an A2Z or Lectron to get into their order queue. I called my dealer and they didn’t have a clue. Tom, do you have advice. You might try the adapters on your F150 to see results. Thanks.

[@gregpochet4812]

VW will be the last to use Tesla. No surprise the dealer had no clue. I wouldn't worry about it until we hear more news about VW being able to access Tesla. It could be a while.

[@lanceareadbhar]

I assume there has been no change in the timelime for EVs that have the 800 Volt architecture to use adapters to charge using the Supercharger network. It looks like the estimate is still Q1 2025 at the earliest which makes sense given the extra complexity involved charging 800 Volt systems on chargers designed for 400 Volt systems and the issues found when 800 Volt EVs tried to charge using the Magic Dock.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Correct .e if I'm wrong, but "not all 800v systems are created equal"? . (Or is that, "all 800v systems are equal, but some are more equal than others"?😁)

[@aj4991]

I love it but also hate it that others are getting access to our Tesla exclusive charging stations.

[@santiagohills3997]

Wait, are old bolts going to be included in this? Not that I road trip the bolt voluntarily that often.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Bless your soul

[@michael.sierra]

I hope your Bolt isn't one of the rare early model year ones without the CCS option (I think CCS was optional 2017-2019) because then you'll never get Supercharger access. I have a 2017 Bolt (with CCS) and I am eagerly awaiting the GM access to Superchargers and I hope they send a free adapter like Ford did.

[@santiagohills3997]

@@michael.sierraI have CCS. I’ve done a few road trips just to say that I have, but we talked ourselves out of a Rivian after a particularly frustrating trip from SoCal to Tucson a couple years back. Got a Wrangler 4xE instead. If I could count on a charger being available and functioning, I might take the Bolt more often. It’s not bad if we only need one charge session along the way.

[@Dr_Flankensteinn]

Support for Rivian on Tesla Superchargers should be this month March 2024 - stay tuned!

[@raymonddoolan-uj5nr]

Do you have to identify the vehicle you want to charge in your Tesla app to make it an authorized vehicle?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

You do have to add your vehicle(s) type(s) in the app, which I've done.

[@mandoxgames]

I just had a thought- why not try the Lectron and A2Z adapters on your Ford lightning instead of the supplied adapter by Ford for Tesla superchargers?

[@MrAngryrooster]

I can verify it works with the A2Z. I’ve tried it now on 2 different Supercharger locations. No issues on either one. I did activate charge using the Tesla app however since i don’t have the update yet on my lightning.

[@joe49494]

I saw a video of a polestar user successfully charging using an adapter

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

That must have been on a magic dock Tesla Supercharger

[@Joseph-vv6nf]

Will the ford charge with the A2Z adapter?

[@talpolano4549]

Did you have an OTA update on your lighting before you received your adapter??

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes. Ford pushed it out to me 2 weeks ago. I think I was the first to get it

[@talpolano4549]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney that's the reason other Ev's will fail to charge at supercharger (for now) tnx :)

[@gregpochet4812]

@@talpolano4549I think the update was so the Fords navigation system could include SC and also payment and plug n charge. If the Ford did not have the update, you could still charge using the Tesla App to start and pay. It has nothing to do with getting access. That is on the Tesla side.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@gregpochet4812 I don't think so. You need... 1) A brand registered with Tesla. . 2) A Supercharger with updated electronics (hence the "15,000") . 3) A compatible adapter. . 4) Software *on the vehicle* to initiate the handshake with the updated charger. .... AFTER that, you need . 5) Either the Ford or Tesla app to manage the session.

[@stanmanh1]

Is there a locking mechanism to deter someone from stealing the Ford adapter? Thabks

[@sprockkets]

Yes

[@pinkiepie1656]

Mine has an anti-theft mechanism. My car has an angry, 300 pound, six and a half foot guy sitting inside the car while charging.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@pinkiepie1656 That'll do the job...

[@Paul-cj1wb]

People need to give Tesla more credit than that. This isn't Electrify America and VW. Tesla started the whole thing and built the largest charging network in the world all by themselves. They know exactly what they're doing.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Tesla is bailing out legacy auto here.

[@TroySavary]

The only reason Tesla opened their network was to get the government subsidies for building new charging stations. So it is legacy bailing out Tesla since if they had all insisted on staying with CCS, then Tesla would have been locked out of charging subsidies. ​@@ultrastoat3298

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@ultrastoat3298 Oh, yeah. This is the greatest thing to happen to EV adoption in North America since the founding of Tesla itself. But Tesla will also make a ton of money in the process selling electricity and memberships to none Teslas to lower the price (well worth it, btw). In essence, they'll become a modern day Standard Oil. If others want to join in on all that revenue, they need to up their game and match Tesla. Or they'll be run out of business. EA cannot play games with different unreliable charger manufacturers any longer. It's either they work 99.96% of the time like Superchargers, or be run into the ground. They'll likely be bought out by that Ionna consortium.

[@kjkromm]

The car ,must communicate with the charger. If the software is not written how is it going to work?

[@user-su5bg3ii8n]

I have my a2z and 2023 bolt thank you I’ve been fighting urge to try myself before they give the ok

[@COSolar6419]

I am assuming Tom knew the answer before the test began.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yeah, I did - and I agree this wasn't the most compelling video for my channel. However, I had a LOT of followers ask me to do this - even after I told them it won't work. That's the only reason why I did it. Meanwhile, it's getting more views than my "good" videos. Go figure.

[@COSolar6419]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney No problem. People were hoping an adapter would be the key that “unlocked” the network when its the make of vehicle that counts. I will keep watching since I always learn something new.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks, Tom. As usual, Tesla could have done the right thing and simply opened their Superchargers now that everyone is using a common CCS language. For the life of me, I don't understand how a company whose mission is literally to "accelerate EVs" is still gatekeeping charging access in 2024. 🤷‍♂it will be interesting to see whether Tesla authorizes the Bolt EV along with all the other GM EVs since the Bolt EV doesn't support ISO 15118 plug and charge.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Wow... Really back to front, aren't you? . 1) The offer was on the table 10 years ago. It wasn't Tesla who declined the offer. . 2) It has been, up to now, a privately funded network. You don't get something for nothing. 3) Don't blame Tesla for not supporting vehicles (Bolt) which don't accept the latest "common" standard In fact, if the Bolt doesn't accept ISO 15118, which was a *2014* standard... It simply demonstrates deficiency in the design and manufacture of the vehicle? Maybe "Suggest" that the manufacturer of the vehicle provides a solution? . You suggest that Tesla is now using a "Common CCS standard" (having previously not being up to speed with compliance?) There's no such thing (yet,) CCS 1 CCS 2 ISO 15118 ISO 15118-2 (2014!) ISO 15118-20 (2018) Tesla saw the confusion circa 2011 and adopted DIN 70121 which WAS based on an unpublished version of *ISO15118* (Tesla had a timeline, no time to **** around) Of course ISO 15118 wasn't even defined until *2014* by which time Tesla was installing (more elegant, reliable) chargers.... So there was no reason to change, especially since as mentioned others wanted nothing to do with "the upstart" And then there's the plug and charge debacle..... Which was meant to be a cornerstone of ISO15118, yet Tesla had it working (on a protocol that wasn't meant to support it) in 2013? (The others are still working on that??) The vast majority of "CCS Standard vehicles" (it's ISO15118) didn't have v2g until recently (nothing by 2018) despite the standard being "decided" in 2014. (And we're back to the Bolt) . Oh! When are the "CCS Consortium" finally going to decide on a common charge port location? That should have been at the first meeting (October 2011), second order of business after "who wants coffee?" Something like... "Proposal. Let's decide on common port location of the *next* design cycle, 2016?... All cars, front right, left rear? Sound good? ... Next Order" ? . Tesla isn't the problem. . One last thing. "The mission" isn't to "Accelerate EVs". It is "... to help expedite the move from a mine-and-burn hydrocarbon economy towards a solar electric economy, which I believe to be the primary, but not exclusive, sustainable solution" (Elon Musk, August 2 2006) . EVs are just a part of the solution and means to an end.

[@newscoulomb3705]

​@@rogerstarkey5390 You missed the point in the exact same way that Tesla missed the point: It's about the customers, stupid. Tesla is so caught up in the "us versus them" that they lost sight of that, though. And of course Tesla also used DIN 70121. They literally sat on the CCS development board long enough to learn how to create a DC charging standard. When they got what they needed, they left. And no, despite the stories, Tesla wasn't waiting on CCS. The first functioning 100 kW CCS chargers were unveiled 6 months before Tesla installed their very first Supercharger, and as we see now, CCS is directly compatible with the Tesla plug. The problem is, Tesla took a shortcut, daisy chaining their onboard AC chargers together to make their first DC chargers, so instead of using PLC, they used CAN. Yes, ISO 15118 might have come out in 2014, but the Chevy Bolt EV was in development at least one to two years before that. By the time ISO 15118 was official, IVER Bolt EVs were being driven around the country. As for standard port locations, again, that misses the point. It's about the customer. The problem with public DC charging isn't with the port location: It's with the chargers themselves. How they are oriented, how long their cables are, and how good their cable management is. Those are all areas where those "elegant" Superchargers are inferior in design to most public DC chargers. And for opening the Superchargers, that is something Tesla definitely could have done any time between 2016 and 2020, but no later than 2019. After the EU forced Tesla to start using CCS, Tesla should have adopted it around the globe. And again, compatible with the basic CCS plugs (i.e., all that's required is an adapter). The harsh truth is, multiple automakers did approach Tesla about using the Superchargers, and it was Tesla that rejected them. Either outright, by shunning them (e.g., Bollinger), or by requiring IP and CSI before starting the process. As we see now, everything is in place for any CCS EV to use the Superchargers with an adapter now, yet Tesla is still only whitelisting specific EVs and automakers. Essentially, Tesla is doing what they've always done: The bare minimum.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Seems like Tesla has a "someone mucking around on charger" setting? 😁

[@toofast4radar]

Do any of these adapters also do AC charging or is it DC only? It would be nice if I didn’t have to get two adapters.

[@DAVIDTATLITUG]

Why would you need two? Why wouldn't you just use your CCS cable? If you were using Tesla travel charger anything should work as they don't connect by computer to the Tesla system. You can use the adapter if this is what you want to do but really makes no sense.

[@TechnicalLee]

No, because the AC and DC pins are separate on CCS ports you will need two separate adapters.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Im betting you that tesla made the adapter for ford that only the adapters they make for each car will work

[@robertreynolds8092]

they did make the adapter

[@TechnicalLee]

We now know it's a passive adapter, so other brands like Lectron and A∆Z do work. Tesla has no way of knowing what kind of adapter is attached.

[@gregpochet4812]

Its the communication between the Telsa network and vehicle that is preventing charging, not the adapter. Tesla is verifying the type of car via the VIN.

[@khurrampiracha23]

Do you recommend installing a charger at home? Or should we just charge at location near our home? Also, what location chargers are compatible with Audi eTron gt?

[@TennesseeEcoman]

At your house of course

[@TennesseeEcoman]

220

[@trippplefive]

you really don’t want to dc charge constantly if you want to maximize battery life

[@joshuarosen465]

If you can charge at home you should charge at home for a number of reasons, 1) It's much more convenient. With a home charger you spend zero time waiting for your car to charge. You don't have to go anywhere. 2) AC charging is better for your battery. 3) It's much cheaper to charge at home 4) On cold days you can precondition your car on wall current instead of draining the battery. Installing a home EVSE is cheap. The Tesla wall connector costs $450, other brands are $400-$600. I paid my electrician $750 to run a 60A 240V line and hook up my Tesla EVSE. The wiring is a once in a lifetime cost. EVSEs should last many years.

[@khurrampiracha23]

Than you. ​@joshuarosen465

[@benwinslow3101]

Hey Tom, can you try taking your lightning to a V2 supercharger just for kicks at some point? It shouldn't work, but......

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Not worth the time. It definitely won't work. It's impossible

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Even the V3 chargers have retrofitted electronics to allow the handshake with other brands, hence the 15,000 limit(?). Fitting that to V2 would be foolish, and Tesla aren't foolish

[@Lord_Reset]

My question is, what if you hold the Tesla app you were driving a Ford vehicle, like you select a ford with nacs and try it. Probably won't work but maybe, i hope one of these hacky things work because i can't wait till 2025 for our ioniq5 to be able to charge. Sucks its basically software gating something.

[@gregpochet4812]

The Tesla Super charger is reading the VIN of the car it is hooked to. The App is there to just show you what charges are available , to start the charger, and for payment.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It doesn't "suck" It's a contractual obligation. . You need Charger updated Manufacturer registered Vehicle firmware with handshake protocol. . This COULD have been done years ago if the other manufacturers hadn't been "Overconfident in their own ability". The offer was there.

[@ronbyrd1434]

Thanks for the test and the video. Too bad the guy tried to interrupt your video. It sounds like people still need to learn to be considerate. Hopefully we don’t have a lot of problems once everybody starts using the tesla chargers.

[@khuo0219]

This will be a issue, both sides needs to be considerate, these non Tesla cars are taking two spots, by necessity yes, but doesn't change the fact it is a nuisance.

[@TechnicalLee]

He was just trying to charge and it looked like all the spots were full. I probably would have asked too if I saw a Bolt and a tripod taking up two spots if the rest were full.

[@Wised1000]

Its a software issue, until your particular brand has gotten "permission" the adapter will not work.

[@NIAtoolkit]

Could you manually initiate a charge through the Ford interface and plug in a different vehicle?

[@pinkiepie1656]

No

[@rogerstarkey5390]

As stated, no....Because it doesn't handshake until you connect to the vehicle, and the moment you unplug, the session ends, so