Using Tesla Magic Dock to Charge my Kia EV9 - Will it Work?

[@Molishious]

I was glad for the explanation of how you have to park because that’s part of why I chose to watch the video as I was already aware of the slow charging on e-gmp vehicles. I know this situation will cause conflict with some Tesla drivers and non Tesla drivers but my personal opinion is that since Tesla opened up the superchargers to everyone, it’s up to them to make the cables longer. Until then it comes down to common sense curtesy where you don’t block two chargers when the site is full and you don’t get upset when a charger is being blocked when there are plenty to go around. I’ve got my eye on the 2025 Ioniq 5 and I’m hoping to mostly get by on the non Tesla chargers and use Superchargers when in a pinch. But man, when you look at the charging locations and you see so many Supercharger stations with a dozen working chargers and then a non Tesla charging station with 2 or 3 chargers and maybe one of those that can actually charge at a higher speed, you really see the benefit of the supercharger network.

[@alexwelch1520]

With the Cybertruck being 800v now, hopefully Tesla will be increasing their supercharger stations to accomodate other 800v vehicles.

[@wrenchingfool5284]

Hard to say. Tesla designed the Cybertruck to be able to charge at high speed on their superchargers by essentially splitting the battery in half and treating it like 2 400V batteries (way oversimplified description) using hardware on the vehicle itself, so there isn’t much incentive for them to fix their current superchargers. My understanding is that the real V4 (CCS2) Superchargers do support 800V but the “V3.5” NACS chargers we’re getting over here don’t. I’ve not verified that info though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@michaelm.wiseman282]

On long road trips, i bring my extension cable for my home L2 charger (my wife insusts on parking on THAT side). I am actually looking for an L3 and a 60 amp extension cords to travel with. It's like driving with an empty 5 gallon gas can... I can see needing them 1-2 times a year, so no big rush.

[@hi55us2]

Thanks for the review, this supercharger is about an hour from my house. Probably better to charge up at the EA 350 watt chargers

[@peter.wilson]

Consumers shouldn't need to know or worry about this... and it's likely to be many years before standards are established and rolled out. 😥

[@wrenchingfool5284]

Completely agree. Since so many manufacturers are now moving towards the Tesla connector (in the US anyway) its likely that they will be designed to work with Superchargers, not only the connector but also the location of the connector on the vehicle. That said, it doesn't help the hundreds of thousands of people with EVs that were not designed with Tesla Superchargers in mind. Of course, we also must consider that Noth America is no longer the biggest market for vehicles in general, certainly not for EVs, are we are the only ones using NACS, and so that may have an impact on what vehicle manufacturers choose to do.

[@randledmadden]

It's completely unrealistic to expect simplicity and seamlessness in a technology that is essentially in its infancy. People need to adjust their expectations regarding the transition from ICE to EV. If you don't want to be an early adopter, and all of the complications that go with it, then don't. Just wait to get an electric car until all of these things have been worked out to your satisfaction - maybe 10 years. In the meantime, there's no reason to complain about those of us who enjoy being on the bleeding edge of new technology. This is going to take a while. The end result will be well worth the pain of the transition. Relax, watch us struggle (and have fun doing so), and then step in when you think its become easy enough.

[@gregpalmer9949]

@@wrenchingfool5284I expect that Kia will do something so the cars will charge faster at Magic Docks. The cables at Tesla will get longer. The architecture and battery chemistry will keep changing. I have a good EV now, and I probably should wait to replace it until charging gets more uniform, but I would really like to get an EV9, maybe the EV5 will arrive about then.

[@djuniverse]

Literally the standard has rolled out. Tesla is the standard, and other car manufacturers are falling in line. Right now it’s an adapter, but new models will have chargers on the drivers side with Tesla ports. It’s happening. Just wait and be patient.

[@Molishious]

I get what you mean. Stuff that some people like to nerd out on, I’m kind of one of them, is also stuff that’s too complex for someone who just wants to charge and drive. It’s a shame, but here we are and here we will remain for years. How many years I can’t guess. But it should gradually get better.

[@artzoneproductions3474]

*What an EV mess, and this is not even a roat trip, smh...*

[@NomenClature-o8s]

When this becomes as easy as pumping gas, I’ll go EV.

[@comiken205]

It is easy. I own a Tesla, plug and starts charging in seconds.

[@shadir007]

It’s easier to charge a Tesla than pumping gas. Take out cable, plug in, walk away. No fumbling with app, no using a credit card machine at the pump, no having to walk into the gas station and tell them $80 on pump 9. When done, unplug, hang cable, leave. No putting a gas cap back, and shutting the door. It automatically opens and closes the door.

[@olivercaddick7743]

95 of charging is usually done at home. Park in carport/garage, plug in, walk away. In the morning unplug and go with a full battery. Absurdly easier than visiting a petrol station and far cheaper.

[@sandpine]

Pumping gas is complicated. Different pumps, different octanes. Not to mention credit card skimmers, thieves and murderers.

[@tourer65]

DC chargıng of EV9 ıs a bıg problem as ıt select the source and thıs make ımpossıble to make long journey.....

[@framelessmonk1724]

I wish Tesla didn't open up their SC to non-Teslas. There will be lots of clueless people fiddling around or confused wasting Tesla owners waiting in line. Not to mention the incompatibility of the charge location resulting with non-Teslas hogging multiple spots. This is horrible.

[@Dutchy1972]

I have the Nissan Ariya and I’m able to pull into the parking stall straight forward and utilize the spots correctly as the charge port is on the front right side of the vehicle. Believe it or not the vast majority of non Tesla owners are actually more Savvy than Tesla owners because they have had to learn how to deal with a smaller charging network and different charging setups. I’m certain you were the kid playing in the sandbox who wouldn’t share his toys with the other children. Have some patience and respect for “non Tesla “ folk …you will be ok…deep breaths

[@ki4gmb]

Awww did your walled garden get opened up? Waaaa

[@HikeOn5555]

There is a reason ($) Tesla opened this up to non-Tesla EVs. They want a piece of that $7.5 B pie that is available. (Of course the government needs to get rid of the DEI bullsh!t for that money but that is another issue) This may cause a short term congestion problem at Tesla charging stations but in the long run it will benefit everyone with EVs because Tesla will be building more stations…and they know how to do it right!

[@badruby]

ev9 sucks at dc charging

[@2legit2brick7]

Mine does fine

[@bigusiak]

Have no issues. Max for me was 210kW

[@luisPcordeiro]

I got 218 KWh before... in Europe.

[@badruby]

@@bigusiak tried at tesla chargers?

[@bigusiak]

@@badruby yep at the one that supports. Not all Teslas superchargers. There is an update in Tesla app and can show you where you can charge EV9.

[@Adventures-and-More]

Hopefully Tesla don’t change the superchargers to,suit other vehicles with charge port on the wrong side, in order to deter them from using our chargers

[@Adventures-and-More]

@angryGTS apparently Tesla can dynamically control the pricing and increase it for non-Tesla cars when Superchargers are busy or full, to deter them.

[@shadir007]

That’s not really a good way to look at it bud. I have two teslas. I don’t care if other cars need to charge at a supercharger. We need to not get into brand camps again like the old Chevy and Ford days. A car is a car. I more think it’s silly that Kia, being a Korean car company, would put the charge port on the opposite side of the driver. I’ve always thought it’s weird to put even a gas tank port on the opposite side of a driver.

[@Adventures-and-More]

@@shadir007 it’s the right way to look at it while the availability of superchargers is often limited. Once superchargers and charging duration is on parity with fuel pump to car ratios, I’ll be happy to share.

[@phantom118899]

Our chargers Lol. These chargers are not ours, they belong to a billion dollar company who wants to expand their customer base and make more money.

[@rickaustin7754]

If we want people to adapt to EVs then there better be a charging infrastructure that works and that everyone can use. That will never happen if Tesla and their owners act like they are in some EV VIP room.

[@laxtimercom]

Thanks for the explanation on power limit to Hyundai\Kia\Genesis cars. I was excited when I first heard about Tesla Magic Dock chargers being available to an Ioniq 5 on our main road trip route. But now I think I'll have to think of them as backup chargers if EA fails. Will Tesla V4 sites have the same voltage limitation? Even if they solve the problem, they are still in the relatively long term future.

[@Jannik_1020]

At the moment V4 have the same specs as a V3. As long as Tesla does not upgrade the power cabinets the charging speed will stay the same.

[@wrenchingfool5284]

Correct. As long as Superchargers are limited to ~400V, this will be an issue for any vehicle that uses > 400V batteries (which is not just HKG vehicles)

[@anthonydatri7301]

I tried a magic dock station in NY some months ago. None of the Tesla chargers would even begin delivering juice. EA chargers work great. Ioniq 6

[@hp-fx9pv]

There are many problems with this to begin with….the EV9 will not go above 80Kw on Tesla Superchargers , this is well known in documented. This is a KIA problem not Tesla. These manufacturers should have decided on a standard before building out these cars AND had a standard on where the charge ports would be. Unfortunately poor planning on everyone part. For today, unless you have a Tesla, it make sense to only buy an EV if you plan to charge it at home 90% of the time.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@hp-fx9pv This is too simple of a conclusion that skips a lot of the market place reality and history. The 500+ volt EV9 is well suited to go above 200Kw charging except with Tesla Superchargers. Tesla is one of those manufacturers that did not settle on a standard until 2022 models. (On 2021 models or older it's a not free hardware retrofit to comply with the standard) CCS is the standard communications with J3400 and until 2023 no agreement existed with any US manufacture for interoperability. Charge port location can be tricky with a trailer using the tesla layout practice, pull through stalls seem to remedy the charge port location issue, but rarely found in the US. I have never used a tesla V3 charger and have had no issues this year on cross country road trips. So any EV choice is sound in 2024.

[@robjohnson8662]

ALL EVS SHOULD HAVE CENTER FRONT PORTS AS DOES THE NISSAN LEAF.

[@Harhawink]

that is literaly the worst possible locations in snowy conditions or in terms of rocks hitting it.

[@anthonydatri7301]

@@HarhawinkCharge ports have covers, so rocks are a non-issue. I can’t imagine what snow has to do with it. The Leaf’s location is the one thing that disaster of a car got right.

[@Harhawink]

@@anthonydatri7301 if you live in snowy country you dont want it in front. Basicaly 100-200km drive in snow rain and sub zero you cant get it open without violence.

[@badtoro]

Stupid location for fender benders