I Use "Default" GNOME. Will You?

Everyone complains that GNOME can't do things, but I chose to give them a fair shake. I'm a big proponent of the default "as the developers intended™" GNOME, here's why.
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0:00 With a Human Touch
3:23 GNOME is a special snowflake
5:27 The "Default" Workflow
10:53 Debunking GNOME Myths
16:23 Outro

[@darkphotonstudio]

Gnome became so user friendly, I started using XFCE.

[@raidev_]

you like non user friendly things?

[@WolfRites]

@@raidev_ He's pointing out that Gnome probably isn't user friendly, if people can't figure out how to use it.

[@bobbyfried7478]

this is funny because i am primarily an Xfce user i have used it since i first started Linux 12 yrs ago on various distros. different systems. i just love it and i have tried different DE s over the years. recently though i gave gnome another shot and i wanted to hate it but after i customized it. themed it out and made it more familiar to what i'm used to. extensions helped that a bunch. it is heavier on resources than Xfce but it's pretty negligable. i like the apps it comes with. it does stay out of my way when i have to bring home work to do. i have an extension that let's me utilize window tiling which i really like.especially when i need to see the files i have open it works. i'm used to having to use Awesome Wm to utilize window tiling. i spent a lot of time configuring and learning LUA to get it the way i wanted it. not necessary with gnome. very GUI heavy but it's a nice change from having to configure everything in Vim. i still love my xfce but i didn't hate gnome like i thought i would. i put it on my wifes dell laptop that has touch screen. i increased the fractional scaling and made it more touch screen friendly. she loves it. she doesn't do anything but change the wallpaper once in a while so she could care less about themeing. she likes using the keyboard shortcuts and doesn't have to use the touchpad as much. all in all i have grown to like it. it's actually functional for someone like me that was set in his Xfce ways.

[@xmurisfurderx]

​@@WolfRitesgnome became consistently worse with each release cycle

[@catto-from-heaven]

@@xmurisfurderx How did it become worse?

[@Omonarc]

I couldn't agree more on the whole "different is better" aspect about GNOME. For years I had been trying to get into Linux via Mint or Ubuntu, but it felt limiting because I kept trying to do things the Windows way. Going Fedora + Vanilla GNOME forced me out of my Windows habits and to learn how to use Linux properly, now it's my OS of choice and I'm far more productive than I ever was on Windows. It hurts to go back to Windows because of how often it wants to get in the way of what I'm doing, and who knows what the heck MacOS is even doing.

[@ZettabyteGamer]

Exactly how my journey went, switched to Zorin, mint, and a few others before trying fedora falling in love with default gnome.

[@moussaadem7933]

It's not "different is better", it's "this different is better than that different"

[@jethrot100]

I wholeheartedly agree, it was Gnome that got me out of my comfort zone and into linux, because I did not want a windows (or Mac) lookalike. I always dual boot Windows and distro hop for the other Gnome-Linux variant. Come to think of it Gnome does bear some similarity to Mac OS though.

[@catto-from-heaven]

@@millicentoprang9542 Wtf

[@owdoogames]

@@jethrot100I think the similarity to macOS is superficial, at least in the latest version of GNOME. Being able to access Search, Workspaces, and the ‘Dock’, from a tap of the Windows/Super key is very powerful and efficient. These are all 3 separate things with their own ways of accessing them on macOS, and going back to my MacBook after using GNOME on Fedora feels clunky.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

I want to like vanilla Gnome, but I have an extension to display a different background image every few hours. It's pointing at a folder of dark-theme-friendly monochrome anime girl images, which is pretty pretty essential for a desktop computer IMO.

[@falajose3080]

"dark-theme-friendly monochrome anime girl images", If they are safe for work, please share with the world

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

@@falajose3080 It's a mix, depending on your workplace. On my work PC, I have everything as default/vanilla as possible. I'm pretty sure I got them all from wallpaperflare, but it looks like they're having an SSL cert issue right now. They have a bunch of images with a black background and mostly monochrome girl, maybe with some light accent coloring, on the right 1/3rd of the screen.

[@Trafotin]

There might be a gsetting thing to change your wallpaper and you could have a user chronjob or systemd job run that command. Not to familiar with gsettings though.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

@@Trafotin Dang, wallpaper flare is still down and my earlier linkless reply to jose got nuked. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to do it with a job like that, but the extension has been great, so I can't complain.

[@ManuaL46]

Have you checked out damask

[@octopusonfire100]

Once you get used to the Gnome workflow, going back to any other DE feels like walking on crutches and constantly tripping over them.

[@gryg666]

Until you start using dynamic tiling managers, like hyprland. The switch was a huge improvement for me.

[@octopusonfire100]

@@gryg666 While I enjoy using forge in Gnome and I think it's a perfect complement for the workflow, I'm not sure if I would be able to go all-in on a tiling manager. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime.

[@sachinchaudhary1310]

@@gryg666 manual are better

[@cokesucker9520]

@@sachinchaudhary1310 wrong

[@themroc8231]

No. Manual is only if you want your desktop to look fancy. Dynamic is the way you make it efficient.

[@Your_Degenerate]

I believe you can also double click the top bar of a window to maximize it as well. I'm not sure if it's a part of an extension but you can de-maximize it back to it's previous window through the topbar by click and drag.

[@10leej]

Nope thats totally a default action you can do in gnome, no extension necessary.

[@ASilverNMeep886]

I'm a KDE "fan", but I want to try get GNOME an honest try for at least a month. Especially since I have friends and family that could potentially click with GNOME, I want to be able to help them navigate. There are some behaviors that I will prefer from KDE that could be solved through extensions, but I'd prefer to stick as close to vanilla GNOME as much as possible in the name of stability. Great video!

[@ominoussage]

I'm a GNOME user because it's been a breath of fresh air for using my computer. It's very unique. It really changed how I operate my computer and it's very sleek. I keep GNOME as default as possible, with only a couple of extensions.

[@gabrielgavazzi]

The part about being different from Windows and MacOS couldn't be more true. Every time I see a youtuber recommending a certain distro or a certain DE because it "feels like home" to certain groups of Windows users, I always think that's a bad idea. This will just make them "come back home" after all.

[@AnalyticMinded]

I am one of those people that, over 3 years ago, found Linux appealing because of the Gnome desktop. It wasn't Windows or Mac, and the novelty appealed to me. I also took to Gnome's tiling-window-manager and keyboard-centric aspects quite quickly, and it eventually made me transition to a proper WM. If one day I were to leave my WM ways and return to a DE, it would definitely be Gnome. There's no other choice for me. It looks slick, modern, uniform... It's just the bloat that keeps me from going back! (Well that and a few other things.) lol

[@nikkehtine]

GNOME is great and I love the workflow, style and polish that they went for. People hate it so much not because it's genuinely bad, but because it's not Windows/macOS. It's like adding chocolate to a meat dish, getting diarrhea and then complaining that chocolate sucks, while people that eat chocolate for dessert laugh at you.

[@p0358]

I feel like it’s because it’s too simplistic by design. It works good if you have say you to 5 windows on up to like max 5 workspaces. Doesn’t really scale beyond that. On Windows I can have few hundred and not even notice it and I think it’s a good thing. So people still end up installing something like Dash to Panel or even at least Dash to Dock to switch between windows and even know more-less which ones they have opened. And I’m not sure if most people ever use workspaces…

[@nikkehtine]

@@p0358 If you use it in a too simplistic way, it's going to feel like a too simplistic design, which it isn't

[@tostadorafuriosa69]

​@@p0358 does windows have virtual desktops? i found that on windows i needed 2-3 monitors for multitasking

[@emisunflowers]

I love the gnome workflow, but I find the lack of variable refresh rate and proper fractional scaling support to be a dealbreaker, so I am 'stuck' with KDE

[@bobbyfried7478]

i had no issues with fractional scaling on gnome i clicked a box and it let me set it from 100 to 125. i'm using it on LM.

[@narwhal4304]

VRR is the one reason why I will suffer with KDE for the foreseeable future

[@emisunflowers]

@@narwhal4304 it works on gnome now if you enable the experimental flag

[@kuhluhOG]

@@bobbyfried7478 GTK applications don't support fractional scaling, so in the backend Gnome let's them draw on e.g. 5 times the size and then downscales them to a quarter of that (so you and up at 1,25 the original size). This can be a BIG performance problem on a lot of systems (and on mobile devices like a notebook a waste of energy in all cases).

[@chrisxdeboy]

Luckily, you can replicate the GNOME experience in KDE.

[@Chapolin242]

After watching this, hyperland doesn't make sense, I mean, what's the point of it? Gnome is complete! Note that, I still see plasma as more complete out of the box than gnome. But, for the tiling window, gnome makes more sense.

[@GKahla]

great overview; and your emphasis on its own unique workflow is refreshing. thanks -

[@MrAlanCristhian]

This is a good video with a nice premise. Good job.

[@Chertograad]

This was a great video! Although Ubuntu does some work to customize Gnome to include stuff like the Minimize button, I was intrigued to listen how people make use of the "traditional" (unmodified) Gnome desktop with the lack of a minimize button that many people rely so heavily on. I've never used virtual desktops that much myself but Gnome really seems like it's built in a way that promotes using them. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's totally a different mindset, coming from someone who has access to multiple virtual desktops on Windows and macOS but never touches them.

[@xard64]

I've been a Gnome user on Linux since Gnome 2 days and while I like a lot of things about the current Gnome I have mixed feelings about this philosophy of hiding everything: it works for smaller screens sure, but when you have screen real estate of two 40" 4k screens the approach starts to fall apart. I prefer to have as much data visible at once without any disconnected back and forth switches as they disrupt my workflow. This is why I usually tend to work with temporary documents on desktop actively and search the placement later on like on real life with desktop and papers. In Gnome 2 you could just store your icons and change virtual desktop if you had too many windows covering the desktop. Also you could simply launch nautilus from a static location on screen without disrupting anything else on the screen. Working with files in Gnome 3 requires: 1. a full wipe of the current view to bring up the activities 2. either type file manager and press enter or search the icon where ever it current is (might require additional clicks to get the right page of icons) 3. open the location of the files with file manager This turns a 2 second task of clicking an icon in desktop to a 24 second intensive operation requiring concentration.

[@Trafotin]

You can search files without clicking using the search menu I showed, you just type what file you want and it opens. I can't speak from experience since my newest monitor is from 2014, but I've heard scaling on GNOME isn't as good as KDE. I've also noticed on Nvidia at least, GNOME gets variable refresh rate, but KDE does not and is locked to your lowest refresh rate. On Intel and AMD, variable refresh rate works everywhere on Wayland.

[@folksurvival]

Just use MATE.

[@kuhluhOG]

@@Trafotin KDE has general VRR and per monitor VRR (and in general per monitor refresh rate for quite a long time), including for NVidia well, on Wayland at least; if we talk X11, you are right, but the same goes for Gnome there

[@celltest7645]

Thanks. This is the most informative video on gnome I've seen so far. Please keep the series going! I've subscribed to not miss the next part.

[@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb]

I agree that different is better. I just gave Gnome another chance and while I definitely feel it's improved since the last time I used it. But I'm still having issues with it. So I'm back to my Mate/i3 combo on X11 and then Hyprland on Wayland. (There are certain things I still need X11 for) I'm paying attention to the development of the new Cosmic desktop, too. I definitely want to give that a try when it comes out.

[@MrLittleW]

Put another way, Minimize fixes the symptom - but not the problem - of lackluster window management. Gnome fixes this problem with dynamic virtual workspaces. Windows and Mac band-aided it.

[@nathansmith8883]

Personally I like the look and feel of a nicely configured kde desktop and a lot of my friends do as well though the workflow in gnome makes me want to use vanilla gnome. In kde I can't stand a lot of the default settings. The first thing I do is do away with the windows style task bar and replace it with a small bar at the top and unpin all the icons. I also rebind the keys for using virtual desktops because the defaults flat out hurt my hands. Some other things I do is change the application dashboard to the fullscreen version and add the macos style global menu to the thin bar I have at the top. When helping someone decide KDE or gnome it really depends on there needs. From what I have seen with people switching to linux what desktop environment they will like more has nothing to do with if there are a power user or not. What really makes the different is how much someone will compare linux to windows. I have a friend that is a gamer that likes kde a lot. They configured it to feel like windows but with all the things they didn't like about windows changed but they didn't like the mint desktop. I have also known people who liked gnome most likely because it is just flat out better then the windows or macos desktop out of box.

[@nephatrine]

I don't think GNOME is bad or anything, but I like KDE better. Part of that is just because I'm used to it, but also I prefer the KDE-centric suite of software and other Qt applications so it just seems like a natural choice to use KDE itself.

[@dswngz]

Ok, how do you even use a DE that doesnt have a system tray icons for background apps (unless you install an extension)?

[@xmurisfurderx]

You don't, you switch to a more sensible window manager

[@cokesucker9520]

What does the system tray do for you?

[@skaifer1715]

I'm thinking to switch to Gnome from KDE, just because how hot corner works. It's quick and snappy, and you can drag and drop windows between desktops very easily. And hot-corner click brings up application dashboard. And I miss it, even after KDE overview update, it's still not the same. Years have passed, which caused me to forget why I switched from Gnome to KDE. Back then, it felt like the best choice ever. Knowing that, I have a strong feeling I'll regret this decision, and it will end up to be a waste of time 😀

[@setscet]

I agree, whenever I install a ton of extensions, I go back and turn them off and the default is usually better. Only extensions I have now are the always awake and the more compact top bar.

[@jesse7631]

While I do use some extensions, I love so many features in GNOME compared to any other desktop environment.

[@j0ey97eth]

Been using gnome since moved out from windows, first time try gnome on Ubuntu , feels weird at the first time ... but after using it for a quite some time, i do feel more comfortable using gnome rather than other's DE.. at this moment no matter what distro i'll use , I will use gnome for sure.. except for kali linux which is it's really look good with xfce ..

[@bobbyfried7478]

it's just a theme on kali and it's simple enough to make any Xfce look like Kali's. Xfce has the same plugins and such on any distro that uses it or has it in their respective repos.

[@OrcsBR]

What's that tiling button on Gnome's control center @7:01 ??? I don´t have that

[@Trafotin]

Forge from the GNOME Extensions website.

[@pepavasata6790]

I have Gnome on my laptop, so when reinstalling my desktop to Linux, I wanted to give KDE a try. I am definitely switching away from it at some point. Either to Gnome or maybe Sway, but I am quite sure I'm ready for a tiling WM.

[@Trafotin]

As long as you find what works for you.

[@tmendoza6]

Great video Gnome has always taken care of my needs

[@kevingary7018]

The vanilla gnome desktop is nice - installing gnome extensions and tweeks make it better. I like Forge, Arc, and others to make my workflow easier & more productive. After becoming familiar with the GNU/Linux open source environment, you will realize that customization is part of that experience - proprietary operating systems simply do not offer this level of customization on such a scale as Linux.

[@WolfiiDog13]

I love the default gnome experience, but I actually use dash to dock (ubuntu). Having a dock for quick mouse access to my most used apps is good, and I don't feel like it takes away from the gnome experience.

[@X39-hg9lz]

Gnome seems to incentivize people to launch apps via super+numbers for their favorite apps. The keybinds are that way by default on Fedora Workstation/Silverblue. Then you would rarely need the dock to begin with.

[@Trafotin]

I use Dash to Dock too, but just to have a panel on a second monitor, so I can pretend I look at the time when I watch a TV show or something. Probably wouldn't be using otherwise, but I admit that it's far from the default usecase.

[@flipflopski2951]

I thought having an "experience" was what Gnome was dead set against?.. Desktop icons are the fastest way to open a program and gnome is a non starter for me because of that.

[@georgioscharalambous7707]

Are you using a tilling manager extension on gnome? It seems that everything automatically tiles up

[@bartsimpson4588]

Forge extension

[@jasongeorge7987]

I've been a Windows user for years, but I've also been a die-hard KDE fan since I first tried Linux back in 2006. As the years go on though, I've noticed that more and more of the larger distros are shipping GNOME by default. So, I've went back and forth with Plasma and GNOME. And to be honest, I'm getting to a point where I enjoy GNOME's simplicity more than I do the mountain of menus that is Plasma. I used to like tinkering with my OS, my desktop and all that. But nowadays, I just want to get things done. So, whenever I go back to Linux, I'll be using GNOME. There is also something to be said for Plasma's history of bugs and random glitches. Especially when using a rolling distro. And the more I think about it, the more I agree with Trafotin. Maybe GNOME is the better experience to introduce new users to LInux. It looks good (compared to older DE's like XFCE), tends to be more stable than Plasma, and once you learn how to navigate the launcher, GNOME is dead simple to use.

[@HideoV]

"windows gets in the way" also "wanting desktop icons is morally wrong"

[@shaunpatrick8345]

If you use your computer, the windows will be in the way of the icons! Gnome puts icons in a layer on top of your windows, instead of making you clear your desk to reach what you need.

[@HideoV]

@@shaunpatrick8345 right, I must find icons on my desktop useful cause I never use my computer

[@andril]

Use it, recommend it and can't get enough

[@hoodio]

thank you for so normally talking about accessibility

[@pako4555]

You missed one thing. The Drag n Drop is so easy on gnome by dragging any files by holding and moving to top left corner which will open the activities with windows of other application which you want to drag to.

[@xmurisfurderx]

Congratulations, you've just discovered basic functionality from 1991

[@pako4555]

​@@xmurisfurderx Are you a Noob Bro, I meant in vanilla GNOME where you don't use any third-party extensions. I just use the clipboard and the legacy GTK3 theme switcher as GNOME extensions. Nowadays, people use Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock extensions, which are unnecessary because you can drag to the hot corner and drop in the windows or use the GNOME default dock in the overview. However, you cannot do this unless you have gestures enabled, which are only available in Wayland. In X11, you have to install a third-party package with an extension to enable it. So, what are you talking about functionality from 1991, noob? Have you been using GNOME at all or not? It's about the philosophy, I mean. Don't teach your father how it's done

[@paultapping9510]

the only thing I change on vanilla gnome are keyboard shortcuts and a wallpaper changer. Other than that I really enjoy the gnome ux.

[@benjy288]

I've tried to use gnome but found it too limiting, they've dumbed it down too much, I'm also not a fan of tiling window managers, once you get more than a few windows open then they start to get too small, I also don't get the benefit of multiple workspaces, moving an app to another workspace is not really any different from minimizing an app to the panel, plus when you minimize an app to the panel then you can easily see how many apps you have open just by looking at the panel, the only reason I can see why gnome has multiple workspaces is because they removed the ability to minimized apps to the panel, they also don't want you to place app shortcuts on the panel for some strange reason, I really can't understand their design decisions.

[@halcyon321]

Thanks for explaining. I was very resistant to the way GNOME did things but with an explanation it makes sense and makes it easier to adjust and accept. Hell, some of the changes are really good ideas.

[@p0358]

What AI are you using for the subtitles? Cause it actually seems really good.

[@Trafotin]

Whisper.cpp's small.en models. It's not perfect and flawed with multiple voices, music, or poetry, but when it's just me, it works great. It does put a space in front of every line, and as with every AI tool, proofreading is important.

[@pip5528]

I believe I forgot to comment here back in the day but I've been more of an Xfce/KDE/i3/Cinnamon kind of person. I have given GNOME an honest shot on occasion but I don't usually stick with it for long. Knowing the philosophy behind it does give me a better appreciation of it however. I do also put things on other workspaces in tiling WMs. One thing I don't like about GNOME however is just the RAM usage.

[@Trafotin]

You want high RAM usage. That means your system is caching it and it is properly being used.

[@wolfenstein6676]

I'm a new Linux Mint user, so if a program isn't already contained in the 'Software Manager' I can't install it. For example, I want to install Gimp 2.8 (an older version) and I've downloaded the flatpak for it to my downloads folder, but I've got no idea how to install it. How do we install flatpaks that we've already downloaded?

[@Trafotin]

You should learn the terminal way to manage Flatpaks. I have a series of videos about it, but there's also the issue of Mint moves very slowly. If you use Fedora or openSUSE, it's easier to install, not just GNOME, but more updated packages. They both also have more fine-tuned security controls than Mint or Ubuntu.

[@wolfenstein6676]

@@Trafotin Thanks, but I'll stay with Linux Mint because it's very similar to 'Windows' operating systems and that's what I need right now. I'll take a look at your videos.

[@myria2834]

I hate desktop icons with a passion, but it is literally one button click or hotkey to "show desktop" on any other desktop environment. Even with a thousand open windows. I also routinely minimize my browser when downloading files to keep it out of my way. There is not any excuses to justify these two design choices. Same with not including maximize. You have the title bar, it is using space anyway, put the buttons that are expected to be there.

[@mahtja1559]

What extension are you using for tiling? I've had issues with forge.

[@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb]

Actually I may need to try a different tiling extension, myself. I was using Forge in my latest attempt to use Gnome.

[@Trafotin]

it is Forge. Try it on up to date GNOME.

[@mahtja1559]

@@Trafotin Ah, I used on on f39 with 3 monitors, and it literally made the desktop crash. The typical keys used to swap windows stopped working too.

[@tinngo2048]

totally agree!

[@coerce1]

Just finished watching.

[@jhecohe]

Gnome is the DE that almost cover all my necessities, but i miss save the position of the windows, and it would be nice to have a window title smaller

[@Trafotin]

This might be a Wayland thing, because Wayland doesn't have a portal for saving window positions yet. It's in the works, but even on X11, it's hit or miss.

[@inittux]

What tiling extension are you using the video?

[@Trafotin]

Forge from the extensions store. They really need help right now for GNOME 46.

[@davidwayne9982]

I hated gnome for years- but since KDE screwed up my tiling-- I'm switching-a nd starting to like it-- thanks to YOUR videos.. great job.

[@BigBeesNase]

What Tiling app/extension are you using?

[@Trafotin]

Forge from GNOME Extensions. It's a hold out until they support their planned window tiling.

[@KevinNitro]

Hi Is that tiling option is available by default of gnome? I'm using Ubuntu 22.04 and I don't have it 🥲 I'm from Windows with komorebi (tiling WM) and I want it so much.. Also is it posible to move to the workspace quickly by pressing some key shortcut like super 1, 2, 3..? And quick focus to other window in same workspace like super arow (hjkl vim binding or sth)? Thank you❤

[@marcosolivsilv]

It's a gnome extension called Forge. And yes, you can setup customize shortcuts in configurations.

[@aidan8583]

I installed Ubuntu on my laptop as my first GNOME experience, and the first thing i did was remove the ubuntu dock, and install the hot edge extension.

[@davidwayne9982]

I installed VANILLA yesterday and it's slower than smoke off POO-- but I followed all the guides slowly and closely..I have 4 other distros on here too (separate drivers etc.) and they are all blazing fast-- so its' NOT my computer.. ??? ideas? The software store thing goes to black boxes and the spin thing goes half a turn and hangs-- and I have to restart the system. NONE of my other distros have any issues.. ASKING HELP here - NOT being critical.

[@Trafotin]

I don't use Vanilla, but they change a lot outside of the base Debian. This seems more specific to Vanilla.

[@sonixczek2553]

are you on wayland or x11? and do you use fractional scaling?

[@Trafotin]

I use Wayland only with XWayland where I need to. I don't use fractional scaling, but history shows genetically once I start getting into my late 40s, my eyesight will get worse and I will need it then. I personally think KDE does it the best.

[@user-hx3ej8xi3q]

I keep coming back to gnome the more I become keyboard centric. I try and have used i3, Sway Awesome but It works , and without mouse. You can use one but dont have to. The shortcuts are extremely easy to create. It is a full desktop you dont have to flesh out like all the window manager styles.

[@Emancipatriot]

I hated gnome for the longest time I only used KDE. I ended up using gnome for a short time along my twm as a session I can log into, but wish I used gnome more often than I used KDE . Regardless,now that I use a TWM with keybinds for everything I don’t want to go back to anything else. Every time I use a DE now, I instantly miss closing apps with super & q, for example. Out of habit I will press these in a DE 😂

[@endaksi_channel]

I love Gnome, but I hate inconsistency around menus. Some apps have menu in top bar, some have hamburger menu, some have menu on icon, some have menu on deck... Need to sort it somehow.

[@falajose3080]

I personally stated using gnome because I think that it's beautifull and different

[@falajose3080]

When I used KDE I changed so much and in the end I had something that was so similar to gnome that it made no sense

[@2Kaleb]

Can GNOME launch certain apps *always* in a specified workspace number?

[@Trafotin]

No, it is manual only. However, if you accustom yourself to the Alt+Tab and Alt+~ menus, it becomes second nature and it doesn't matter.

[@nBp4tB12]

You can actually use the Desktop directory as a Desktop.

[@thestreamreader]

I hated there was no right click and get executable name in case you needed to write a script and didnt know where the installed app was run from and it was not easy to create your own launchable apps. In kde I can make me own executable that shows up in the kde menu.

[@orlovskyconsultinggbr2849]

But why no desktop icons on desktop allowed in Gnome ? I dont get it

[@tostadorafuriosa69]

because they are on the overview like he said. Idk about you but not even on windows or kde i used desktop icons at all

[@orlovskyconsultinggbr2849]

@@tostadorafuriosa69 ok, i too use terminal more and more ;)

[@flipflopski2951]

I don't get it either that's why I don't use gnome.

[@orlovskyconsultinggbr2849]

@@flipflopski2951 well, you now those very simplistic WindowMaker, i like , but wheel in terms of Enterprise Gnome is king, KDE sure at home, but really i look for consistency and stable uis, i dont like when somebody innovate to much in that area

[@MyurrDurr]

Yep! You get it :D

[@user-bf3ip4zf7y]

This was a great video.

[@MartinKuhlen]

Interesting video. Sad thats its not possible to change the main color of the desktop. I mean the brown tone. Ba the way I also have an Nvidia card and it works perfectly fine under Wayland KDE.

[@Trafotin]

You can use the extension Gradience. Gradience uses the new XDG standard for accent colors and is fully integrated in libadwaita. Right now, it's on hold for GNOME because of localization concerns and picking the right names for colors.

[@MartinKuhlen]

Thank you! @@Trafotin

[@CrazyMineCuber]

I still think gnome should implement left workspaces as well. Why not up and down workspaces as well? Much easier to remember, Ah that window is on my left! Rather that oh was is two or three workspaces to the right?

[@inout3394]

Thx

[@mohamad20zx34]

I will still use KDE Plasma With OpenSuse Tumbleweed And MX Linux Plus XFCE LXQT Mate Unity With Ubuntu and Cimamon With Mint

[@OveRaDaMaNt]

>I use default gnome >actually uses gnome with a tiling extension What did he mean by this?

[@Trafotin]

The default workflow. I may use extensions, but I still adhere to the "standard" GNOME workflow. It's explained in the video.

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

As someone who had used both Gnome and KDE on Fedora, I like both. Out of the box Gnome is simple to use, same for KDE Plasma especially to people who have a Windows background like I am, but KDE Plasma customization options that came bundled in ultimately beat Gnome, so I chose KDE Plasma for my main work rig instead.

[@s9209122222]

Still waiting HDR and VRR support for Gnome.....😮‍💨 By the way, Gnome should improve the design of their dock with mouse, it is stupid to move your cursor to top left corner to see the dock.

[@WereCatStudio]

IMO: Default GNOME on a laptop with a touchpad - one of the best experiences. On a PC with a mouse - ... needs some major tweaks to get usable.

[@DyJUSTO]

I'm sic of windows! Especially 11... Also done with Ms office... And Adobe programs... I have a old all in one HP from 2017 I try Ubuntu and my camera and micro didn't work I lose hours trying.. So no meet possible.... Then I use a lot my HP envy 5530 printer also from 2017... No scan o printer work on Ubuntu I was almost give up... By the way I use lots of open-source programs on windows like gimp or Libre office... So I try to move to another distro... Then I see a video in English with a German kid talking about fedora I try it and everithing works... I made a dual boot just in case something didn't work... Until now is everithing working if continue like this with easy installing friendly Gui I think I will finally leave windows for good... One thing I notice is that Firefox crashes on KZbin videos so I install Chrome witch is what I use in work and home and everithing is 5 star here I still need to lose some time to week this.. I miss the minimize button... Makes me a lot of confusion don't have a minimize window... I install dash to dock so now I have a stable dock on button screen I'm very happy with fedora it does everithing I need... Personal illustration works some times I sell my works to company's... And that's why I also need a windows 11... Until I can do it all in fedora.... Libre office in windows have calibri text here in Linux doesn't have it... Is there any way to have calibri text on Libre office? I have all my documents in calibri 12... If is there a repository or something just let me know... I'm not OK with terminal user.... Last time I try to install something on terminal I crash the entire sistem some yrs ago and I quit Linux... Didn't have time and patient at that time was Ubuntu 14... Ten yrs ago... Linux improve a lot since those times... I miss the minimize window and wable effects.... I also have something installed like a cube instead of side by side screens we have a rotation cube was ossome! I just leave it because it was time consuming... Everithing works on terminal those times... Now thanks God we have Gui install a lot better I must Say... Is there any applications that I can install to minimize windows? Thanks in advance

[@Trafotin]

Start looking into other open-sources alternatives to the applications you are used to. You're on the right track in finding things that replace tasks you were once doing in Windows. There are some tasks that can only be done in Windows and some people can't get out of it: things like playing games with invasive anti-cheat (Apex Legends, Destiny, and Valorant come to mind), business software (Quickbooks, Turbo Tax, etc), but that's on you to figure out.

[@richardaltamirano312]

good video! Gnome is used without minimize buttons and without a start menu, but to be more productive I use two extensions, AutoMove to give each application always the same desktop and Dash to Panel copying the original design of the top panel but with the advantage of having open applications in view and be able to use the mouse wheel to switch applications

[@pubdigitalix]

17 minutes of video and never say how to install the "Default" Gnome experience. How you install it in last Fedora distro? Need to compile it from the source? Thanks anyone in advance.

[@Trafotin]

Either use Workstation or install it yourself with dnf.

[@giovannisardisco4541]

The italian speaker:

[@Trafotin]

If you want Italian subtitles, you can have Google translate my subtitles. CC ➜ Subtitles ➜ Auto-translate. I don't know Italian, but I know English, French, and a little bit of Chinese, Japanese, and Spanish.

[@giovannisardisco4541]

​@@Trafotinoh, no no, thank you. I understand English and I love your videos. It was only a joke how the Italian speakers pronounce the words that contain "gn" (ɲ) like gnome. It is uncommon sound 😂

[@little_forest]

For my work, I need to be able to see at a glance all that is open on each desktop and switch between applications without alt+tab (or any other keyboard input) but with a single click of the mouse. That is the one thing, that default gnome and even most of the extensions cannot provide. Material-shell is the gold standard when it comes to the design, however, I always had problems with bugs in it.

[@ankur-dhama]

Gnome: Do one thing and do it well. Gnome shell overview: This is where you - search, see workspaces and all windows, access dash, see all applications. The problem with things like "Gnome philosophy" is that they are defined using words that are vague and open to different interpretations and this allow you to justify any decision. You start with the philosophy, do some word play around it and outcomes the justification for a design/feature decision.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

The overview is where you switch context. That's just one thing, but there is more than one context. If each context had its own access and UI, that would be awful! In fact, it's what Pop did with their first iteration of Cosmic.

[@ankur-dhama]

@@shaunpatrick8345 How would having different ui for each context would be problem? If my intention is to search something then a ui that is specifically designed and optimised for search and that is triggered by a specific keyboard shortcut sounds more intuitive to me.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@ankur-dhama you can set that up for yourself if you want. For example, the overview lets you search for files just by their name, but the Files app has an advanced search feature where you can add file size, date and other criteria. So assign a shortcut to the Files app and remove the app from the overview search. You can do this for every application which hooks into the overview's search feature, and then it will only search for apps. Then you will have super+A to open the apps grid, and you'll have to use individual apps for context-specific searches. The only dual function would be that when you open the overview to see running apps, you have the ability to search for new ones to open. That might be something you can live with.

[@pantarei.]

I don't like "Gnome workflow". It's just not for me. I like to see everything at once - one panel to rule them all. And that's it.

[@jjdizz1l]

Based.

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

Thank you for your thoughts. I love Gnome, it is so cool after you add the missing functionality with a couple of extensions. I get along mostly fine without extensions. You say that it is good for developing some "pure" workflow. But in the end you find out that it's just limiting. The tray-icons alone are a problem in Gnome that needs to be addressed. The rest is just optimizing workflow and optics for me. I don't need desktop icons. But why is there no button/switch to just allow this functionality? Every other system has them. Since 1985. I won't use them, but others will.

[@davemeech]

This was an awesome watch and exactly what I was looking for as a windows user of close to 35 years struggling to adapt to other workflows and wanting to understand the way gnome was meant to be used. I think I'm going to fire up a vm with debian and gnome and take it for a test drive this weekend

[@Trafotin]

Would recommend Fedora or SUSE Tumbleweed instead. It's a more pure experience. Debian makes a small number of changes and you are running an outdated GNOME, where with SUSE and Fedora you get a fully updated experience.

[@Chapolin242]

Sold! guhnome is king!

[@declancottle991]

I've used default Gnome ever since I switched to fedora over a year ago. It took me a little bit to realize that you should feel free to utilize the virtual desktops, and it took me watching videos of people with 10 or 20 virtual desktops open each with one app to finally realize how much of a game changer they are. I used to use fedora like I did windows and I would switch between like 50 apps just from one desktop and use the minimize button, but once I learned to spread them out it got to be so much better and if I'm ever using windows I find myself flicking the top left corner to switch apps and I don't use the minimize button and I only keep it on for aesthetic purposes. Gnome is just superior in work flow compared to windows.

[@esra_erimez]

You sound like an dubbed anime character

[@Trafotin]

Would you prefer the subs?

[@esra_erimez]

@@Trafotin No!!! And, I meant it as a compliment, you sound like a professional voice actor.

[@Grunfeld]

Nice idea for the video but you're whizzing your cursor around and flicking between cuts so, for me anyway, I felt pretty clueless about what you were trying to show. Maybe a halo for your cursor and slow down to a gallop? But thanks anyway.

[@WolfRites]

If your desktop needs a guide, and people to tell you how to use it "vanilla", then your desktop probably isn't as *user friendly* as you like to pretend, is it? :) They're also still wasting their time implementing a SIMPLE DAMN TOGGLE for Variable Refresh Rate, instead of just .. You know, doing it. Proper scaling is also still missing.

[@cokesucker9520]

I think the issue is that people are inflexible. Figuring out how to use gnome isn’t difficult, people are just used to Windows desktops and refuse to try anything new. It’s also a nice step towards tiling wms.

[@themadoneplays7842]

Meh, the default Gnome sucks. No HiDPI support No FSR support You need to remember so many key combinations to make it work right. Can't select or change fonts or anything without installing tweaks. Only two themes, such as dark theme with blue highlights or light theme with blue highlights. The UI in general is more fitting for a smartphone than a desktop. I mean that's why many distros tweak it because gnome is shit.

[@Trafotin]

Then use something else.

[@chaussettes99]

I used GNOME with no extensions exclusively from Debian 10 to 12 and thought it was great. It domesticated me after hating it for so long and everything just clicked. I never thought extensions were necessary but I dont usually use anything that requires a system tray. I've moved on to Cinnamon for a while now as I want a traditional panel and start menu setup and I think very recent GNOME versions feel like I'm using someone's customized rice rather than a general desktop environment. Nautilus is entirely gimped and you cant even do simple things like execute a shell script from it anymore. Why remove these little things constantly? I genuinely miss GNOME 3.

[@upendownlinker]

no

[@AwakenedPhoenix309]

No.

[@kilobitz8639]

The best way to use Gnome is remove it and install KDE or a KDE spin

[@Trafotin]

if you don't like it, don't use it.

[@kilobitz8639]

@@Trafotin never said i used it.

[@upendownlinker]

@@kilobitz8639 based

[@_-martin-_]

Gnome is for users that want a beautiful simple and modern desktop environment. KDE is for users that want that mess which is the classic Windows desktop experience.

[@chrisxdeboy]

The fact that there needs to be a tutorial on how to use GNOME tells you everything you need to know about GNOME.

[@Trafotin]

Have fun with your Windows and Mac tutorials then.

[@chrisxdeboy]

@@Trafotin I don't use either of those.

[@italiatroller4793]

default gnome: not hard for me xfce: yes it's easier kde: yup, it's based on qt and have beautiful themes while remaining easy openbox: session of adding things, with compositors

[@Voidkitty_]

gnome is cool, but i3 is better

[@X39-hg9lz]

I agree but I don’t want to have to config every single thing from scratch. I loved Sway but I don’t love to config Sway.

[@emrahkaracam]

So far I have never needed training to use any desktop environment. But even though I like to try new things, I still have a hard time understanding it. Even after watching the video, I still don't understand why some things are done. I think it sucks.

[@Trafotin]

I think older folks have much more trouble with GNOME than younger people do, especially if they've been indoctrinated into the Windows/Mac workflow. Working with parents with kids, I think GNOME is a better starting point than Windows or Mac because it's closer to what most people expect out of a phone and the harsh truth is most kids use Chromebooks or tablets in school.

[@Aoitori365]

I refuse to be enslaved by redhat's neckbeard lackeys

[@Trafotin]

I am funded by big Red Hat bucks after all...

[@LedoCool1]

I tried default GNOME on one of my development machines. All I can say is that juggling virtual spaces is less convenient than in i3 thanks to keybinds and lack of usual desktop functionality makes it worse than usual window manager. So worst of both worlds. PS this reminds me of android window managers that allow maximum of two applications on the same screen and usually applications are on their own virtual screenspace. I never found this convenient in any way, but understood limitations of the platform. Why bring those limitations to desktop?

[@Trafotin]

The intent is to use dynamic workspaces. It's not a limitation, it's just done differently.

[@LedoCool1]

@@Trafotin I tried using them, s I stated already. The way they're implemented in gnome is inconvenient on desktop and was in my way whole time I was using it.

[@NeroPawn]

@@LedoCool1 Try the tactile extension, might solve your tiling issue.

[@LedoCool1]

@@NeroPawn add hacks. Got it.