I've AVOIDED This REQUEST for DECADES - NO HERO Challenge - Grubby

What if you played Warcraft 3, just like a game of Warcraft 2? With no hero! Is a prospect of victory even possible? Well, that's what we're finding out today!
I've AVOIDED This REQUEST for DECADES (Game played on 16-February-2023)
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[@GaveLJorgensson]

After all the hard training in DOTA, Grubby has learned that the best hero is himself.

[@bltnbros122]

thats too deep bro

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

I would say Grubby is 85% of the way into being made into an honorary hero in game

[@zes3813]

wrgg

[@martinsennitis670]

This is an incredible advantage, not having that annoying Hero icon left top side of screen. Imagine - how many secret dwarves, workers, goblin sappers or towers have been hiding there!

[@stewartgames6697]

"The best swordsman does not fear the second best, he fears the worst since there's no telling what that idiot is going to do.” ~ Mark Twain, Duelist

[@Mackinstyle]

I got this at Curling the other day. My team of 2-3 year amateurs against a Provincials team. We lost, but we stole a few ends. Their skip said with a smile at the end, "I couldn't figure out your strategy." And I just said, "Yes."

[@AlvinKazu]

This quote doesn't come from the best swordsman though. If we want to hear the opinion of the best, we would listen to "Miyamoto Musashi."

[@GraveUypo]

@@AlvinKazu you mean the philosopher?

[@mueezadam8438]

12:25 it might seem advantageous to attack without warning but surprisingly it is actually better strategically for the aggressors to _declare_ their assault openly. For starters, the declaration isn't for the sole purpose of informing the enemy. It's to destabilize the region. Yes there is the effect of causing panic that the local power has to quell but mainly it mainly serves the purpose of garnering potential allies in the region with grievances towards the current power. joining an invading force might allow them to bargain with the invaders to give them land from their rivals in exchange with providing the invading force with tactical assets like intel, maps, and good supply routes in addition to possibly levying their own armies and resources to the cause. Secondly, if you don't declare war then it could cause confusion amongst your own allies. From their perspective there is rumours of you attacking said country but they are unsure if they are true. Maybe they think you are attacking ANY neighbour and they then raise an army to meet yours. Maybe they have allies in the country your warring with and go to help them without realizing they are fighting you at first. This can all be avoided if you declare your intentions formally and allow your allies to presumably join the side they trust, which is you, over the enemy.

[@Life_of_Matthew]

Interesting

[@Pomodorosan]

14:21 "I need to be efficient with my units" cue two extremely confused and annoyingly polite Peasants struggling to place buildings

[@brunog8314]

1:13 it is insane that grubby recognize the whisp

[@onkelpappkov2666]

Woah.

[@rubikquitous8482]

idk he was watching minimap at that time and saw a red dot, hes expecting his enemy to scout, was a nice catch but not that insane

[@williamfalck4882]

That final attack made me laugh so hard. "OOOOH! OH! ..... SEND IN THE MISSILES!" and absolute chaos ensues.

[@KD8_NotTheShoes]

Would be cool to see this in like an ffa or team game with everyone following the same rule

[@Silkaz7]

this

[@Olagfigh]

Just watch WC2 matches :D

[@nonturtle6430]

Saved the expensive Altar cost, can't see the chance to lose.

[@Gorthok]

Requests done by you are my absolute favorite. Glad you're recovering, keep up the great content as always!

[@UnStop4ble]

recovering from what?

[@Gorthok]

@Sippy i believe our favorite person caught covid recently

[@pablopared9704]

22:24 the most painful moment:" I know ur not Grubby at this point"

[@frozenstar8050]

proceeds to lose vs no hero

[@Leonjrxx]

Immediately loses after from fog of war lmao

[@onkelpappkov2666]

It was in response to him empathizing with Jeopardy love, not a comment on skill. You guys have to keep up with the chat. They were talking about TV shows.

[@lordprinny]

It's safe to say that some of the damage was soaked up by the zeppelins while the knights and Griffins did the damage while letting the tanks do their job getting the buildings. I really do enjoy these videos.

[@vaclavkutilek6618]

imagine the chimeras focusing the knight and not the tanks. The difference is from 50% to 200% damage.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

@@vaclavkutilek6618 More like 35% to 200%, unless they stealth changed something in a really recent patch.

[@vaclavkutilek6618]

@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Magic to fortified is 35 % damn. It hurts...

[@colaphoenix6849]

getting the knights right ontop of all the archers were also amazing

[@Kalenz1234]

Should have had the song "I need a hero" by Bonnie Tyler on repeat for this.

[@Ljngstrm]

This is painful to watch, heroes are everything in WC3!

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Wc3 becomes SC2.

[@MALEMization]

@@saimyintmyat9373 WC3 becomes WC1 cause 2 has Heroes!

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@@MALEMization SC2 pvp doesn't have any heroes.

[@cis22]

@@MALEMization WC1 technically has one mission with Anduin Lothar, a footman hero. Though all he does is get rescued. But his stats makes him look like a footman hero, like Danath Trollbane in WC2.

[@MALEMization]

@@cis22 But he's near Fatal when you find him! One breeze and he dies!

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Imagine there is 1 more No hero challenge against UD where opponent can possessed your units with banshee.

[@Kirisage]

i dont think thats ever winnable unless your play aginst a literal monkey xD just spam banshees take ur enemy everything win

[@austingridleypickleball]

Why isn't banshee possession a valid strategy or ever done?

[@Kalenz1234]

@@austingridleypickleball It's only worth it against expensive units like Tauren, Knights etc and you just don't play those vs undead. Orc Kodos work similar.

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

​@@Kalenz1234 what do you play vs undead? Undead op imo

[@Kalenz1234]

@@AndRei-yc3ti get gud

[@2509maxi]

absolute madlad. huge respect that you pulled that off

[@doctorstainy]

Toggling one footmen defend on and off is the pinnacle of wc3 micro

[@millancche]

"I legit can't beat footmen" Proceeds to train nothing but archers for 20 minutes. That's your opponent :)

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Yeah mass Huntresses, dryads , bears and mountain giants solo those footies. 😂

[@adrsan6643]

The distraction for the "MK getting level 6" bit got me lol XD

[@POINTS2]

Bonus request completed: Upgrade the expo town hall for extra militia!

[@nseven1117]

nobody else can read the regen scroll because commoners can't read

[@mattferrigno9750]

Grubby makes his bases so nice and clean with the perfect gaps in between buildings. My base always looks like a mess.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Now think of applying the lessons learned in this game to one where you actually make a hero, but you're going for the long game in which one you select (one that might be only okay in the early game but gets really good later), and you keep them hidden as long as you can.

[@Opus766]

11:38 lmao DON'T BE HASTY LITTLE HOBBITS

[@TheLastAshbringer]

Lol that final attack reaction was gold

[@CashMoneyMoore]

My favorite ne hero strat was vs UD vs NE close spawn on TR. Straight t2 gargs. the other great one is of course the no hero human vs ne tower rush on echo isle. Good stuff

[@aaaab384]

This is actually a very interesting and sensible request, which makes more sense if you take it more seriously and if your opponent is not completely inexperienced. Axslav used to have an account called Lvl50NoHero, where he played some really cool games against skilled opponents, and managed to win in creative and unexpected ways. You can do this request more justice if you put your mind to it.

[@nobodylovesditto]

Poor Grooby. Feel better soon, man.

[@pijiu4u]

u coulda towered down ramp from the red expo and use that to creep it by dragging them into it. then u also have towers leftover to hold that "tactical" position

[@iusemyrealnamebefore]

Alternative title :Playing Warcraft 3 like it was Warcraft 2

[@limon4ev]

That LOTR reference was golden

[@diegoruiz9328]

and you won, i remember asking for this on the youtube comments ages ago, thx man

[@julz19]

next request, Militia only units

[@abadjoke7065]

Hey Grubby, that was a good one. Very few ever try playing without Heroes, It seems like there could be a viable strat here as long as you remain deceitful and using overwhelming amounts of units with upgrades. I saw you destroying the items, I thought the same thing, and then you mentioned selling the items which would have been extremely beneficial. I didn't see if you got the upgrade for workers to pick up items or not, why didn't you pick them up and sell them for gold to get more units? kind regards, Josh

[@sic3382]

What is he doing? He's beginning to believe

[@alexanderkirk3126]

Blood lusted ogres with death knights backing them from WC2 would be OP

[@xshortguy]

It would be fun to do a WC3 "No More Heroes" Tournament!

[@marianliscinsky2789]

I wish there was a selective option in the menu, so even the opponent and the AI plays with no hero. It could even be a separate category in e-tournaments.

[@Kievlar]

I love this request! I love Grubby!!!

[@Gravehaven007]

The fact you won is insane. GRUBBY DA GOAT!

[@TheBronf]

this is how i played as a kid. i didnt know the alters made heros.

[@maxicruz246]

Hello, Grubby. I love your Wacraft gameplaya videos.

[@jordand5732]

A creative player, cyberllama, used to have a no hero strategy as well

[@Latinomicz]

Brah, your challenges stress me the hell out. I don't know how you put yourself through them.

[@Bluzlbee]

something at a personal level where chimera's attack can't air means I never wanna play night elf

[@FlinnGaidin]

Instead of destroying items, you could've gotten the backpack upgrade and sold them for extra gold. Ah, you remembered that on your own, and discarded the idea, lol.

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Can units sell them ?

[@FlinnGaidin]

​@@saimyintmyat9373 they can buy 'em, I guess they can sell 'em. Plus Grubby thought of it as well, but didn't want to get an Arcane Vault just to get the upgrade.

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@@FlinnGaidin if units can sell the items it can make good business for grubby in obtaining gold more quicker tho. And make opponent hero weaker with not able to grab em.

[@Thelegoterrapin]

@@saimyintmyat9373it would need to offset the cost of the upgrade & vault to break even, and since there’s lackluster healing fighting creeps is also a big time waster

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@@Thelegoterrapin that really make sense.

[@aarontaglucop4147]

whats a good 4v4 map with a lot of creeping camps?

[@justinhowe3878]

for a while i thought it was mass zeppelin strat lol

[@drakeflames964]

Damn, that was sick!!!

[@Life_of_Matthew]

That was amazing

[@heikojohnmoller7853]

ALL: U cannot win without a hero Grub: hodl my beer

[@Joseph-qt2vr]

Hilarious that he didn't think you were you.

[@seanreitmeyer631]

didnt sky used to do no hero against NE on amazonia sometimes?

[@Mackinstyle]

How many shredders can you buy? I'm thinking of a challenge (that is tedious and horrible) to completely strip the land of as many trees as possible.

[@Grimm48]

there is a level in the ROC campaign where you have to harvest 50000 lumber or something ridiculous like that and it ends up angering Cenarius

[@8Kit]

I was expecting night elf, since moonwells do not require a hero to be used.

[@MillionaireRobot]

you need to do fast expo, and harras. human is best for it

[@8Kit]

@@MillionaireRobot yeah i suppose the tanks are also a more reliable win condition

[@MillionaireRobot]

nobody said tanks. you NEED a fast expansion if you want to win without heroes.

[@MillionaireRobot]

what Grubby did was: go fast expo, and harras the enemy to make sure he doesn't stop your fast expo and make sure the enemy doesn't expo himself. from that point on you can win, there is no other way to win than that way if you play without a hero

[@MillionaireRobot]

also your enemy needs to be half retarded, which this one was

[@commonsense3061]

PT.1 GRUBBY VS SAMSON

[@SnookerMafiaVektor]

I was today years old when I realised you can destroy items. True story.

[@PascalSWE]

This unit comp is next level

[@andrejmakovicky5249]

Just. Amazing.

[@danishtasteele9272]

Ty grubb

[@markpetrov3305]

Grubby can you do a video where you explain how WC3 works coz it a little hard watching videos that you don’t really understand at all

[@onkelpappkov2666]

> watches channel of WC3 world champion > no idea how WC3 works

[@markpetrov3305]

@@onkelpappkov2666 watched him coz of DOTA

[@AlvinKazu]

"At this point I know you're not the real Grubby, it's okay my friend." How many others could have lasted `in such a match as this? Let alone with it.

[@stevejohncockram]

Didn't Axslav get to level 60 with no hero, on an account wonderfully named Level60NoHero

[@staceygram5555]

Grubby, what do you find most fun: early game, mid game, or late game?

[@callmekit90]

None of those knights or dwarves deserved to be called a hero to bring you any score

[@mars7246]

can you get backpack upgrade for units then sell items?

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Yup.

[@youngchieftan]

That aoe rlly paying off. Nice game. And the big dub!

[@shihongkhor7209]

Technically, you could research backpack and sell items for extra gold if you try this again

[@martincrede9000]

Research Backpack and sell the Items? Does it work?

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Yup

[@jmcdonoughii]

This is a total Todd strategy. He would be crazy enough to do this and win.

[@DeanAmx]

when wc3 becomes cnc generals

[@Dudarinho]

haha that was hilarious

[@KingNikkz]

Use the upgrade that allows units to pick up items!! and use scrolls!

[@01010101010111001012]

units can only pick up items, not use them.

[@ahofi]

You have used the (german) word "alter" correctly. :D

[@okami473]

breaking new ground

[@clementmarionneau2649]

3x barracks mass footies would have won it faster 😅

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Yeah sc2 protoss style.

[@XcooldereX]

Why griffins but not hawks vs towers/air?

[@rinsgravity2007]

This game was played on my birthday 🤣

[@sha_663]

Didn't those glaive bloodelves have 2 item slots?

[@NatronFatumallafalla]

WAIT! is it "Wrecking Crew here". Or "Wreck, And Crew here". To separate people...to separate meanings .what is it?? I must know after 21 years? 😭

[@ivoandonov3058]

Hello Grubby , what do you think about WC3 is there any chances to get better ? I like WC3 from long time ago but my expectations of the remaster is not the same , was thinking a lot of additional option and customizations to be added and i am wondering if i shoud get the game , what do you think Grubby ?

[@onkelpappkov2666]

Unless you really love WC3, I advise against buying ABK games. They are very likely to stop working randomly. Bliz cocked up Reforged under Chinese pressure and they messed with the original in tandem. Bliz canceled HGC without warning and Bliz is responsible for D:I. Right now, it's Chinese massware. You won't get a quality product from them. But if there is no way around WC3 for you, by all means buy it. WC3 itself is hella fun, as long as they don't shut it down.

[@brightestlight9462]

just buy it, its a good game still and its fun, you dont have to use reforged graphics

[@kewldude32310]

With backpack upgraded and a unit picks up an aura item, does the aura get emitted?

[@horsemumbler1]

No

[@Booby855]

I used to get super annoyed he wouldn't even try it. I wanted to see Grubby beat up on a player with no hero and just embarrass them so bad lol

[@Iyvanos]

Im glad wc3 is still alive

[@TheNjahNjahNjah]

You skytossed him :D

[@benjaminmarshall5071]

Why are the knight’s weapons glowing?

[@doubtingtom92]

There should be a match where both players don't use heroes. That way it's fair

[@barbos1507]

Siege tank medevac dro...oh wait, wrong game)

[@hirannes2217]

Would have been cool if Warcraft 3 were a bit less hero-focused. At least have it be a viable option.

[@Olagfigh]

That's why I always prefer SC1/SC2/WC2 than WC3. Without heroes even WC3 looks like a better game, lol :D But I have no idea how opponent lose this match, it should be a free win for him

[@saimyintmyat9373]

​@@Olagfigh cause Archers are trash against T3.

[@Olagfigh]

@@saimyintmyat9373 Maybe, but I think he lose it because of hero he picked. Demon Hunter is heroes counter so he was useless here. Imagine having a Warden with 3-lvl Q skill that takes 1/2 hp of every Footman around, lol. Priestess or Keeper would be also much better than Demon Hunter. I'm not WC3 player but I believe I would win this match :D

[@jiveturky3000]

great game

[@DeAdLiNebg]

It's kinda late so I sped the video at x1.5 and I must say it's great that Grubby naturally speaks slow and makes pauses. It does not make a difference you should try it.

[@berict]

I don't think I've ever tried the no hero mode. Seemed like suicide.

[@cyfox9298]

what are those medals crubby ? o.O

[@E2O10]

Day 14 of asking Grubby to play a "Random heroes" match again - it's been a while! (Please)

[@Zkogg]

Great stuff! Folks, we got a Grubby Special here! :)

[@relansis]

Holly crusade against all items

[@Vahe345]

jeapardy is good. especially with the old host.

[@MsUncleKevin]

nice chatting is rare these days.

[@codefuntime3129]

pure rts 👌

[@tamirmashbat3147]

This feels like a platinum TvT